pif-hoenn-discussion

[hollow quest]

i imagine meloetta and victini/shaymin are the highest for mythicals right now

[silent acorn]

Shaymin is kinda meh honestly

[plucky bobcat]

What about Kommo-O?

[silent acorn]

Probably top 40s it's a dragon so it's bound to be high as a line

[hollow quest]

shaymin is a little lower on my list, but i love all the small mythicals

besides phione i guess, i don't get the point of it

[plucky bobcat]

Yeah Phione is very forgettable.

[hollow quest]

manaphy is alright

[silent acorn]

Phione and manaphy are a fraud and phonies so about 170s

[hollow quest]

shaymin is alright too

[plucky bobcat]

Wait that makes me think: How did Floatzel and Lumineon do in the poll?

[silent acorn]

I really really don't like them thay much.

[hollow quest]

but yeah victini and meloetta were better in my eyes

[outer matrix]

Don't like floatzel at all imo

[silent acorn]

No way to know, floatzel is a classic so about top 60s and lumineon top 140s

Lumineons looks nice so that saves it slightly

[plucky bobcat]

Zebstrika?

[silent acorn]

Now zebstrika looks nice and it's kinda decent so maybe top 90s in terms of how much it could pull

[plucky bobcat]

Mienshao?

[outer matrix]

Diance?

[hollow quest]

people love mienshao, i see it bein pretty high

[silent acorn]

Mienshao often forgotten but very good and appealing probably top 50s

The underrated one of Gen t

[plucky bobcat]

Timburr line? Oh wait isn't that in the game already

[silent acorn]

Timburr would be around top 100s. The Most pokemon a pokemon is gonna be. Diancie easy top 30s

[hollow quest]

i think diancie is cool but i don't use defense-oriented mons much. i know its mega goes for attack more but still

[silent acorn]

Mighyena I like it but probably 120s

[plucky bobcat]

Oh. Guess Timburr is not in the game right now. Wait is Camerupt in the game? If not, how high/low is it on the list?

[silent acorn]

It atleast has a mega and inevitably carbink is the "why doesn't it evolve into x of" Gen 5

[outer matrix]

Lilligant?

[silent acorn]

Camerupt is a good OG classic, probably top 60s has a mega so yeah

Lilligant is around top 50s I would say

[hollow quest]

megas would be cool if they stuck around. they are the best gimmick, but outside of gen 6/7, i don't see much use in thinkin about them

[silent acorn]

I only wished they did some for Gen 4

I like to imagime infernape going apeshet gorilla

[outer matrix]

Which one of the upcoming Pokémon have regional forms?

[plucky bobcat]

Mega Infernape Probably would have been banned to Ubers.

[silent acorn]

My boy is too good. They had to nerf him somehow

[plucky bobcat]

So wait, how about Lilligant and Malamar?

[silent acorn]

Well none of them actually

Oh yeah avalugg gets worse in hisui
Actually why the heck is it that it is the one who got the regional?

[hollow quest]

malamar is pretty underused i think, lilligant is well liked though

[mystic kernel]

wait i just realized, is it next weekend?

[hollow quest]

should be this weekend

someone said by monday night though also so idk

[plucky bobcat]

Malamar fusions with contrary would be fun

[silent acorn]

Malamar is easily top 40s

[hollow quest]

i'd prefer lurantis for contrary but that's just personal bias

[hollow creek]

I wonder if it was supposed to be today and we're just waiting for all of the game files and new sprites to be organized

[white meadow]

That would be awefull

[mystic kernel]

well those dates are close enough for me, are there any pokemon still yet to be announced?

[plucky bobcat]

What do you think about the Stoutland line?

[hollow quest]

raffle winner, but that won't be in this update

[silent acorn]

Raffle daffle

[hollow quest]

i suspect it'll come in a update soon after though, otherwise it'd be pretty redundant

[silent acorn]

I love the stoutlant line very nice for a early route normal, I think about top 70s

[mystic kernel]

i really like them, i had a stoutland playing b2/w2 and he's a really good canidate for strength

[plucky bobcat]

Is Crawdaunt in the game? If not, how high was the line in the polls?

[silent acorn]

It is a good mon, I only use them at the moment for pickup as lillipup but they become radically different fast. Almost feels like using a starter

[outer matrix]

I'm guessing that the 2 Pokémon before the bonus Pokémon (which are likely the raffle ones) are just going to be blank, unusable slots if someone were to try to start a custom starter run with them

[silent acorn]

I would say maybe around top 100s, it's not the cream of Gen 3

[plucky bobcat]

Torkoal?

[silent acorn]

Torkoal easily top 50s

[mystic kernel]

i feel like they get strong faster than other mons, but are still just ok for elite 4

[silent acorn]

Same goes for castform I feel like.

Sometimes being just ok for the elite 4 makes a good mon

[plucky bobcat]

Karrablast and Shelmet?

[white meadow]

You guys think Frogman hides a secret mon in that version

[mystic kernel]

i really thought melloetta was gonna get in, like ive never seen anyone dislike her

[whole nimbus]

Ooh castform would make some really unique fusions

[hollow quest]

always gonna be someone

[silent acorn]

Now that's where its complicated because excavalier is the cherry of bugs in Gen 5, so I would say top 60s and accelgor probably top 90s maybe

[plucky bobcat]

Boldore line?

[silent acorn]

Gigalith better than golem, Fite me easily top 60s

[mystic kernel]

agree i like boldore aswell, but it might be better to just trade the gigalith than to catch one

[hollow quest]

i don't think most disagree

[plucky bobcat]

Toxicroak?

[silent acorn]

Toxicroak probably around top 40s it's a very good mon.

One of the good froggos

[hollow quest]

too bad sneasler beat its ass in hisui

[plucky bobcat]

Staraptor?

[hollow quest]

but we don't need to worry about that in IF

[silent acorn]

Assassin froggo.

Yeah but no gen 8+ so Toxicroak wins by default.

I said Staraptor is around top 40s, more like.

[mystic kernel]

i never actually had a toxicroak before

[silent acorn]

They are kinda delicate, but they pack a good punch

Specially when you consider it protects fighting from fairies

[outer matrix]

Fighting/Poison is a good typing, right

[mystic kernel]

next time i replay ill try to remember to get it

[silent acorn]

The location is what kinda messes it up, and the fact you can use infernape, lucario or medicham, there is better fighting variety in 4 than in 5

[hollow quest]

it's decent, 4x weak to psychic though

[mystic kernel]

what do you guys think of the crustle line

[hollow quest]

indifferent

[plucky bobcat]

That's what Sucker Punch is for.

[hollow creek]

Would really like if it got in, I prefer it over lycanrock

[silent acorn]

I like crustle, actually ranked 10s in the spriters, and I would say its around 50s for most.

[mystic kernel]

crustle is one of my favorite pokemon, not for being strong. I just like it

[hollow creek]

Crustle has so much potential for cool designs

[white meadow]

Lasagna crab

[silent acorn]

Leavanny is one where I am not sure because some like it some hate it, probably top 60s

[hollow quest]

leavanny is good but with a bad typing

[mystic kernel]

leavanny is ok

[hollow creek]

You can make the stone into whatever you want on body fusions, and put a big ass rock on the backs of crustle head fusions

[silent acorn]

Yeah no matter how hard she can hit that typying is just plain bad

[mystic kernel]

i could imagine crustle+torterra being a minecraft chunk lol

[silent acorn]

I prefer using Excavalier, thanks to hacks and moemon I love Excavalier it just hits like a train and can take hits good

[plucky bobcat]

Yeah I agree completely. Overall good stats, but Grass-Bug is terrible typing. Leavanny does have a lot of potential for a regional form though.

[mystic kernel]

yeah with x-scissor stab it hits hard

[plucky bobcat]

Wait...what about Abomasnow?

[hollow creek]

I love abomasnow, has a nice color palette, cool ability

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/tree-zen-tree-zen-de-baum-fire-gif-15152983

[plucky bobcat]

Yeah, but at the same time, not-super-great stats and terrible defensive typing.

[outer matrix]

Unfortunately 4x weaknes to fire

[silent acorn]

Abomasnow is good but not ultra good, top 90s

[plucky bobcat]

Deerling?

[noble parrot]

yes he is'

[hollow creek]

well its pokemon fusion, you can fuse it with something to give it good stats and typing

[silent acorn]

SAWSBUCK TIME OF MY LIFE, SEASON OF MY HEART. Top 70s

[whole nimbus]

Sawsbuck would be awesome

[grand hull]

Well my gut feeling was wrong it didn’t come at 8

[silent acorn]

People seriously love to underestimate my deer but it's goddamn awesome

[white meadow]

I love how people ask you for the spots like you know them
All your guesses are conpletly based of some people in here

[plucky bobcat]

Wait, if they do add deerling and sawsbuck, how are they going to handle the whole "Season thing" for each form? Cause I feel like all of them would need separate sprites. It would be awesome, but a lot to implement

[silent acorn]

My personal is one thing and then the other about an estimate. Gogoat is higher for some than sawsbuck is.

[white meadow]

Easy
They dont

[outer matrix]

Top 5?

[white meadow]

Omg im Some

[silent acorn]

Nah they are cosmetic like wigs, you could just mix and match as you want. They don't change how you use it.

I mean if you wanna be a try hard and have Ingame seasons mod it otherwise I am good with the season deer sprite changing feature

[white meadow]

Insert screaming goat noises

[silent acorn]

As I said gogoat is higher for some, Sawsbuck Is one I love, but I know not everyone shares the feeling

[plucky bobcat]

Bouffalant?

[hollow creek]

I love altaria and noivern but i wish noivern was dragon/flying instead of flying/dragon

[thorny ferry]

I'd take it any day

[silent acorn]

Top 150s

[white meadow]

It probably will be in PIF

[white meadow]

They probably change that cuz noivern body fusions always have wings while head dont

[hollow creek]

If they did it would be a good decision

[plucky bobcat]

Braviary and Mandibuzz?

[hollow creek]

Braviary mid, mandibuzz slightly less mid

[silent acorn]

Now I find them fine. Top 160s

[mystic kernel]

never had one

[white meadow]

I mean they used the same logic for trevenant

[silent acorn]

You only find them after Ghetsis battle

[mystic kernel]

oh ok

[silent acorn]

Mandinuzz maybe higher she looks fine

[hollow creek]

they made trev grass/ghost instead of the reverse?

[white meadow]

Yes
Cuz all trev heads are wood and leaves

[silent acorn]

I actually wanted braviary but mandinuzz is the better of the two, dark/flying is good

[plucky bobcat]

Claydol?

[mystic rivet]

4 hours left of saturday for me...

[silent acorn]

Probably top 50s to 40s

[plucky bobcat]

For me, it's 8 hours

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/honchkrow-pokemon-faint-battle-revolution-animation-gif-14408374

[plucky bobcat]

Lol that little hat tip at the end

[mystic rivet]

what's the latest timezone that it's still considered "saturday"?

[silent acorn]

Yes honchkrow is the best dark flying

[white meadow]

-2.13 hours for me

[plucky bobcat]

Pangoro? Skuntank?

[potent venture]

https://tenor.com/view/you-thank-appreciate-it-preciate-gif-23646122

[silent acorn]

Pangoro easily top 40s to 30s, skuntank is... 100s

Is definetely not as bad for everyone

[plucky bobcat]

Bewear?

[silent acorn]

In

[plucky bobcat]

Drampa?

Tsareena?

[silent acorn]

Tsareena is around top 50s I know for sure, on the other hand Drampa is like top 70s maybe

[white meadow]

Ralts go brrr

[cerulean wing]

hatterene

[plucky bobcat]

No Gen 8 Pokemon

[cerulean wing]

Ah

Vikavolt maybe

[silent acorn]

Vikabolt is around top 50s

[cerulean wing]

Love vikavolt highkey

[plucky bobcat]

High Special Attack + Levitate = Possible Good Fusions

[white meadow]

Gogoat/machamp

[plucky bobcat]

I feel like some pokemon that would be good fusion material would be Druddigon with Sheer Force, Kommo-O being fused with a fast Pokemon, Walrein with a Pokemon with High Speed so it can Belly Drum sweep, and Gastrodon fusing with a Pokemon with Sap Sipper.

[cerulean wing]

Kommo-O also would make a lot of cool looking fusions

[opal oar]

are the new pokemon alr out?

[plucky bobcat]

No, not yet

[whole nimbus]

Still waiting eagerly

[sterile verge]

Still still waiting eagerly

[south sluice]

the lack of any announcement is killing me😭

[quasi cave]

is the new update coming this weekend?

[south sluice]

it should

[quasi cave]

and sorry if I missed all this already but will it have all the new announced pokemon or only some of them

[south sluice]

from what i recall (i could be very wrong) i think it only goes up to necrozma? so 421 to 450

i might be misinformed about that tho

[mystic kernel]

no the lycanroc line is after necrozma i think

[south sluice]

the lycanroc line is coming this update??

[quasi cave]

So I have to wait longer for Rockruff?

[mystic kernel]

ye look at announcements :D Rockruff is here too

[south sluice]

oh yeah i knew they were announced i just didnt think they were joining this update

[prime dust]

all the announced pokemon will be in the update

[south sluice]

huh guess i was wrong then

[prime dust]

the only pokemon that might not be in the update will be the winner's raffle mon/line, which I think will be added in later

[quasi cave]

So i get to have the dust puppy!? 😄

[south sluice]

cool!

[mystic kernel]

yeah rockruff is cool

[quasi cave]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-rockruff-cute-lovely-smile-gif-16420685

[prime dust]

also at this point, we're either getting the update tmrw, or next weekend, i.e., the 18th/19th

[south sluice]

i am so hype for goodra the custom sprites are awesome asf

[inland jewel]

Goodra with those sussy sprites though, really is a top 10 if you know you know mon

[outer matrix]

my guess is on sunday for the update

[tranquil path]

My gut says like 15 hours from now

[woven maple]

My gut says 5 minutes from now (please?)

[grand hull]

Yeah mine is saying that too

[mystic rivet]

what are the odds the update has been out this whole time but they forgot to announce it

[cerulean wing]

465

I think it’s the number

[south sluice]

thats the most recent pokemon ANNOUNCED but i dont know if they will actually be in the update

[south sluice]

welp

[cerulean wing]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

They list them and the numbers in the pinned (:

[south sluice]

swag

[prime dust]

i require slep

[loud sorrel]

yall ready for the update tomorrow

[hollow creek]

oh yeah

[loud sorrel]

this updates gonna be so fire guys omg
got a whole slew of new mons to use
new sidequests to do
new fusions to collect
its great

[mystic rivet]

can't wait to start a new randomizer and find none of them

[loud sorrel]

im actually really hype for froslass
not sure how the regis and necrozma are gonna be handled but i guess we'll find out

[earnest forum]

Im goona do a Randomizer but i can only use the new pokemon

[loud sorrel]

that isnt a ton of pokemon
good luck lol

[earnest forum]

I'll find them eventually

[hollow creek]

oriocrio, cacturne, garbodor and scolipede fusions will definitely be on my team

[earnest forum]

I'm so exited to use Scolipede fusions

[hollow creek]

oh and sharpedo

[loud sorrel]

yeah same
cant suy much about its stats but it seems to have cool looking fusions

[earnest forum]

SHARPEDO

[mystic rivet]

i forgot you get a free pokemon from the first mart so i might just fuse that with my sableye. it'd be cool if he gave you a random pokemon from the 45, excluding necro and the regis ofc.

[quasi cave]

My two biggest picks on the vote were Sableye and Rockruff/Lycanroc so they are definitely going to be on my next playthrough...maybe fused together if there is a nice custom sprite for it

[earnest forum]

Tyrantrum to

[solar ledge]

NO DUSK FORM 😭

[mystic rivet]

i was gonna do sableye and venopede line, but i kinda ruined it by looking at the sprites early. not that i remember it that well but still. i'll see what i find i guess.

[tardy flame]

I was trying to decide if I wanted to do a normal run, a modern run, or a randomizer run personally. Am not sure..

[earnest forum]

I like randomizers cuz you never know what your gonna get

[quasi cave]

a little sad but I still kind of prefer the base lycanroc form

[mystic rivet]

i wanted modern for better gym trainers, but still random wilds.

[earnest forum]

Same but there all so cool

[feral bear]

Omg i hope sableye is an early gift mon like pyuku

[loud sorrel]

apparently dusk form was just an event thing
i was skeptical at first but ive sorta accepted it

[solar ledge]

i guess i cant complain my 2 fave pokemon just got in, noivern and lycanrock

[earnest forum]

Nice

[feral bear]

Even tho it will be in mt moon

[solar ledge]

yeah it was, in us/um i got it

[earnest forum]

I was really wanting exadrill but I like the pokemon we got

[mystic rivet]

dusk isn't that special visually tbh. not for the sake of fusion anyway. which isn't to say sprites wont have references to it.

[solar ledge]

its ability though\

[hollow quest]

frog might give the ability as a hidden one for one of the present forms

it has happened before for other mons

[solar ledge]

oh ok

[hollow quest]

keyword, might

[quasi cave]

It would have been kind of cool for Lycanroc to be a stone evolution (at least in IF) Sun stone for day form, Dusk stone for well...dusk form and moon stone for midnight

[mystic rivet]

they probably will tbh since they changed that for espeon/umbreon

[earnest forum]

Possibly might just be a level up at day/night

[solar ledge]

that would be epix

[mystic rivet]

don't see why it can't be both

[earnest forum]

ahh ya forgot about that

[mystic rivet]

since you can skip to day or night with hotels it's not that big a deal either way.

plus turbo

[hollow creek]

There's not gonna be a lot of lycanrock sprites when the update drops

[quasi cave]

true but i'm perfectly happy to have just Lycanrock base form without fusions

[hollow creek]

real gangsta shit

[loud sorrel]

we do know theres gonna be a ton of trevenant sprites
apparently they finished all the head sprites which is impressive

[earnest forum]

Wow

[quasi cave]

I really look forward to the Dhelmise fusions to

[hollow creek]

all trevenant head fusions are done, and a decent amount of trevenant bodies

[mystic rivet]

i could see a minor sprite pack update just for the new guys. but feels kinda unlikely tbh

[loud sorrel]

i do wish more people made froslass fusions
i could probably make one but i dont have any strong ideas for it

[hollow creek]

oh they're really good, unfortunately its only in the postgame

[loud sorrel]

does dhelmise only show up in postgame?

[hollow creek]

i believe so

[loud sorrel]

like, in the shipwreck/ocean areas or something?

[hollow creek]

probabaly shoudlve spoiled sorry but ||dhelmise and toxapex are post game yeah||

[loud sorrel]

ah alright

[quartz hearth]

Helloooooo

[hollow creek]

hi stinky

[quartz hearth]

What eeveelution should i do goodra with next does anyone have rewuests

[quasi cave]

unless you start the game with a customized starter Dhelmise >:)

[quartz hearth]

HAIIIIAIAIAI

[quasi cave]

Jolteon is my number 1 favorite pokemon so that maybe

[tardy flame]

it was already confirmed that the update would be shipping with all sprites finished in november included

(so far ofc no time traveling)

[loud sorrel]

oh so all sprites in sprite gallery up to november are gonna be in?

[tardy flame]

the ones that are finalized yes, as far as we were told

[loud sorrel]

awesome
i made a bunch of sprites in october so hopefully that means ill see them in game

[hollow creek]

oh i just realized lycanrock isnt going to be in this update, but the one after

[quartz hearth]

Oo! Im trying to make all rhe fusions pretty cute would it be cool to try and make a jolteon fusion more fierce do you think?

[quartz hearth]

Is goodra?

[hollow creek]

all of the new pokemon except the lycanrock line will be in dw

[quasi cave]

any Jolteon is a good Jolteon

[tardy flame]

from what we've been told the only mon not going to be in this update is the one that will be revealed last, so lycanrock should be in it

[loud sorrel]

and i hear the mon thats gonna be revealed last isnt gonna be revealed in tomorrows update, but at a later date

[quasi cave]

Yall are sending me in a roller coaster of emotions with this will be wont be with Lycanroc T_T

[quartz hearth]

Im so glad goodras been added, a shame a lot of the fusions r a little strange.

Most r adorbs tho but im bummed some people r making it weird

[loud sorrel]

lycanroc should be in tomorrows update
they havent said otherwise to my knowledge

[quartz hearth]

Tomorrow?? Oh lord i need to pump out more goodra fusions

[loud sorrel]

its gonna be so cool seeing my fusions show up in game

[agile olive]

It looks like Oricorio Pau has the fewest fusions?

[hollow creek]

ye

oricorios are free real estate for spriters

[loud sorrel]

have people been keeping track?
it makes sense that its one of the oricorios i suppose
there are four of them so fusions would be split between them

[hollow creek]

some of the new mons are on daena.me

[loud sorrel]

oh cool they updated it

WOW these new guys do not have a lot of fusions lol
it makes sense, theyre new
hopefully theyll get filled up over time

[hollow creek]

sableye got a huge amount done

[quartz hearth]

Has there been any eeveelutions that have been done w goodra i havent done?

[hollow creek]

umbreon/goodra seems undone

[quartz hearth]

Wait no i worded that wrong oops

Are theyre any eveelutioj goodras someone else has done rhat i havent done the pokemon of

Just curious tbh lolllll

[tardy flame]

also, I believe that daena uses the sprite packs to populate its pages, so it will also not be showing sprites that will be present in the actual update that have been released in november

[neon osprey]

is there ever plans to regional forms, or gen 8-9 as pokemon in the future? or will gen 7 always be the limit

[tardy flame]

unless we get a pokemon If-2 then the answer is no, at least for the gen 8 and 9. As for regional forms, no idea.

[mystic rivet]

i wouldn't expect an IF2 until we at least get custom sprites for every fusion we have now.

[tardy flame]

I wouldn't expect an IF2 at all tbh. Unless Toad shows up one day and says he's working on one on his own

[mint grotto]

what would region would IF2 take part in

[loud sorrel]

IF2 would be incredible
more pokemon
more locations
itd be awesome
but also a crapton of work to do
the main appeal would be having access to all the starters and legendaries

[loud sorrel]

maybe they could invent their own if they wanted to
or maybe kanot but super big idk

[feral bear]

Amalgam is basically IF2

[silent acorn]

Wooooo... Not out yet lol

[loud sorrel]

wow amalgam looks really impressive
though i doubt it has a lot of custom sprites outside of the amalgam pokemon

[feral bear]

I cant imagine that its ever going to get finished lol

[agile olive]

there hasn't been a public update to it in ages

[loud sorrel]

it seems like a massive workload
making a custom fusion for every type combo
except i dont think the devs have an entire community to help them out
plus the fact that theres 900+ pokemon to work on

i respect their ambition but if they havent updated in ages then it might be too much to take on

HOWEVER
the fact that they have all 900+ pokemon (at the time of their posting i guess) shows that they have a system that allows gen 8+ pokemon in game
so what we gotta do is find out how they make that happen and steal it for ourselves use a similar system

[feral bear]

The problem is not that the engine cant have gen 8 mons, its that THIS highly specialized version of it only goes up to 7

[green yew]

Sleep is for the weak, eat your sleep.

[tardy flame]

it already exists, but you have to update the version of poke tools that's used for if. That means rewriting the fusion system to work with it, to say nothing of all of the other customizations made specifically for IF. Thats why it would take If 2 essentially. You'd need to do that tier of work to make it happen.

[loud sorrel]

i see
yeah maybe in the distant future when someone has the time and energy to take on that project

why does IF need to be highly specialized anyway
like whats specialized about this game in particular

[tardy flame]

the entire fusion system and everything related to it

[plucky bobcat]

IF2 would be which region?

[mystic rivet]

all the community made custom sprites

[loud sorrel]

yeah i can see why thatd be an issue
i cant see a way to add gen 8+ support without doing a ton of work
unless you wanna rework the mons themselves to that they all fit into IF
but i feel like thatd be equally as difficult

[tardy flame]

I have no experience with the engine myself but I imagine even the task of efficiently choosing which sprite to use is more laborious than the normal poke tools can handle. It has to efficeintly sort through several hundred thousand sprites to find the right one to load instead of what, like 900 ish it would normally max have to contend with? And then it has to load that specific variation's stats, and move pool, and abilities, ect, ect. This is all conjecture but I imagine its a lot more challenging than it seems at a surface level

[mystic rivet]

up to over 1000 now

[loud sorrel]

yeah i honestly cant speak for the devs
i have no clue how the game is structured or managed
all i know is that it seems really hard to manage

[mystic rivet]

and each new pokemon increases the total dex number exponentially

[tardy flame]

they did mention that the new system, the one that unshackles the pokemon limit a bit, has the fusions generated dynamically rather than them being a hard coded specific entry

[loud sorrel]

and apparently it can handle a ton more pokemon
i think

[tardy flame]

yeah because it has so many fewer entries now

chansey/charizard is now, find the chansey profile and the charizard profile, and then use code to assemble the fusion's profile for use. Whereas before it had to go to the chansey profile and then search for the specific fusion of those two mons in that configuration and pull all of the info in that one specific place, so now there are a lot less 'places' it has to go to.

[loud sorrel]

cool
efficiency for the win

[feral bear]

Ohio

[loud sorrel]

Kanto 2
kantwo if you will lol

[mystic rivet]

Unova would be fitting since that's where the splicers came from as a prototype.

[loud sorrel]

unova would be cool
also makes more sense when you consider most of the sprites are meant to be in the gen 5 style

[plucky bobcat]

If you could allow 1 Pokemon (line) from Gen 8 or Gen 9 into the game, which one would it be and why? (No starters or legendaries)

[loud sorrel]

can i say all four of the galar fossils
i think they really embody the spirit of infinite fusion

[plucky bobcat]

Bolt Beak on a faster Pokemon Fusion like Weavile or Garchomp? Jesus...

[loud sorrel]

also i really like dracozolt

[mystic rivet]

dacovish is the best idiot i've ever seen. falinks would also be fun. mix with porygon and you can just have a bunch of mettaur from Megaman

[loud sorrel]

apparently the wattrel line doesnt have access to bolt beak
even though it makes total sense for it to have it

[plucky bobcat]

Fishious Rend or Bolt Beak + Fast Pokemon (Garchomp, Gyarados, Weavile, Aerodactyl, etc.) = Broken

[feral bear]

Absolutely fucken not, those fossils are an abomination. It should be orbeetle or frosmoth or toxitricity

[loud sorrel]

thats the point of the fossils
and i will not take any dracozolt slander
dracozolt is a goddamn delight lol

[mystic rivet]

was so glad ash got a dracovish in the anime. and Iris' dragonite's reaction of just "i'm related to that thing??"

[mint grotto]

those fossil pokemon are abominations and i love them for it

[loud sorrel]

yeah
honestly? I hope we get more just like em
pokemon made of the pieces of other pokemon

[mystic rivet]

i doubt we will. it was specific to galar because that's the real life region where that started i think

[mint grotto]

like it does in my mind prove that fossil pokemon are clones not just revived

[mystic rivet]

people made up dinosaurs to try to say they "discovered" more species or something like that

[loud sorrel]

i feel like they could make another batch of the mix and match fossils
itd be fun i think

[white meadow]

Except Fishious Rend only doubles in power if the user goes last (or the enemy switches out).

So if you're faster it's only 85 BP.

[plucky bobcat]

No, it doubles in power if the user goes FIRST. Check Bulbapedia

[white meadow]

Oh, I misread.

Yeah that's busted. Pls no.

I have a feeling the move will be nerfed drastically whenever the 8th Gen Fossils return.

[plucky bobcat]

Here's something to put your thought into perspective: When MandJTV did a Randomizer for Shield, he caught a Water-Type Archeops without Defeatist, gave it an Adamant Mint to give it an Adamant Nature, and it learned Fishious Rend. It went insane.

[loud sorrel]

honestly IF lends itself a lot to broken pokemon
cause through combos you can give pokemon stats and attributes that they werent intended to have

[white meadow]

See Azumawak.

[loud sorrel]

does it have good stats or something

[white meadow]

Huge Power + Thick Club both double your attack stat and stack together.
You easily reach 500+ attack around lv 50 and 1100 attack around Lv100 with an Adamant nature.
Not to mention you get Swords Dance, Belly Drum, and priority in the form of STAB Aqua Jet, plus great coverage in Play Rough, Ice Punch, STAB Earthquake, etc.

Honestly that last bit is a little overkill though since Belly Drum + Aqua Jet already OHKOs most 4x resists.

[loud sorrel]

now thats amazing

[plucky bobcat]

If the TM for Scald becomes available, I can try to teach my Togetoise Scald. With Serene Grace, Scald has a 40% chance to burn.

[white meadow]

I really like Togekiss + Volcarona. Fire/Fairy with Serene Grace.
Gets Fiery Dance (which has a 100% chance of raising your Sp. Attack Stat by 1 when used), Moonblast (which has a 60% chance of lowering enemy Sp. Attack by 1), several strong forms of recovery in Roost, Recover, Morning Sun, or Giga Drain for offensive recovery, Quiver Dance, and just awesome stats across the board

[plucky bobcat]

My Togetoise knows Moonblast and Wish too.

[loud sorrel]

i keep forgetting that togekiss is really good

[white meadow]

Togekiss and Sylveon rule the Fairy-type Sp. Attacker monopoly. Togekiss for Moonblast spam + Serene Grace, and Sylveon when you want to turn strong normal STAB into even stronger Fairy STAB with Pixilate (Sylveon/Flygon gives you Fairy-type, STAB, no drawbacks, 168 BP Boomburst).
Physical is ruled by Azumarill just because of Huge Power (Granbull can't compete, sad), and Defense, Utility, and Magic Guard shenanigans (Magic Guard + Recoil Moves is a fun one) is ruled by Clefable.
The other Fairy-types are either greatly outclassed (Granbull) or super niche by comparison (Gardevoir, Mimikyu). Part of the problem is that they're are not too many options to choose from and they have very narrow niches.

[plucky bobcat]

Yeah, after browsing the fusion calculator, Sylveon is amazing for some powerful fusions, like Sylveon/Klinklang. I think it's because all of Sylveon's best stats are HP, Special Attack and Special Defense, which are the stats that make up a fused Pokemon's head. This is also the case for Blissey. Basically, as long as Sylveon is the head of the fusion, the fusion gets some really good stats. Also helps in that the fusion gets the Fairy type.

[loud sorrel]

im not one to care about optimization too much
gardevoir is always gonna be my go to special attacker
useful for fairy and psychic needs

[white meadow]

The problem with Gardevoir is that its best stats are on its head, which gives Psychic-type, not Fairy-type.
So if you want to use Gardevoir's good stats, it's a Psychic-type, and then it's Gardevoir's good Sp. Attack + Trace vs with Alakazam's even better stats + Magic Guard.

The one thing Gardevoir does that Alakazam and the other Fairy-types don't have is Stored Power.

So Gardevoir is the only mon that can create an Espathra-like STAB Stored Power sweeper when paired with Speed Boost mons.

[daring burrow]

gardevoir with quiver dance is hard to fight

[brazen seal]

does the latest version have the announced pokemon?

[white meadow]

My favorite is Gardevoir + Blaziken (Psychic/Fighting, Calm Mind, good balanced stats) and Gardevoir/Yanmega (Psychic/Flying, Quiver Dance + Speed Boost, higher offenses).

[loud sorrel]

it should have all the announced pokemon
the last one to be revealed i think is gonna be revealed at a later date

for my first playthrough ive done gardevoir/rapidash
then gardevoir/entei
then gardevoir arceus with fairy plate
i have no idea if those are optimal i just picked the coolest looking sprites lol

[white meadow]

It's fine to play just with cool sprites.

It's just fun to think of minmaxing.
And Gardevoir does have lots of great sprites.

[plucky bobcat]

On my second save file, I have a Gardevoir/Milotic Fusion and regret nothing

[loud sorrel]

i dont know nearly enough about pokemon to min max lol

[tardy flame]

simply pick cool sprites, its neat and if isn't too hard so you can usually get away with it unless you fuse truly the hottest of garbage

[loud sorrel]

thats my philosophy with a lot of my pokemon teams
pick the coolest/favorite pokemon while ensuring they have at least decent coverage and stats
and youre golden

[white meadow]

Gardevoir/Milotic isn't bad either since Marvel Scale makes up for the lower defenses, and Gardevoir gives better Sp. Defense than Alakazam or Sylveon. I think I have a Gardevoir/Milotic in my file.

[daring burrow]

funny that half of the odd sprite do have questioning stat

[loud sorrel]

ive had fun collecting gardevoir fusions
where i find a cool looking gardevoir fusion
catch a bunch of kirlia near that egg incubating center
and then hunt for the other pokemon wherever it is
its fun
and the new update will add more cool fusions

[vernal wadi]

when tho

[white meadow]

Oh, the other niche Gardevoir has: it's one of the only Fairy-types with access to Fleur Cannon.

[daring burrow]

should be next week?

[loud sorrel]

theres an area where kirlia spawn thats like, right outside an egg incubating center where they sell egg incubators

[vernal wadi]

isnt it suppose to be this weekend?

[mystic rivet]

if by "next week" you mean tomorrow, then yes

[white meadow]

Booted up my game to check.

[daring burrow]

this is sunday but am living in jst so yes ig?

where to get fleur cannon?

[vernal wadi]

randomizer maybe?

[white meadow]

After Blain you get access to the Sevii Islands. There's a move tutor there that teaches your normal Pokemon legendary moves.

[vernal wadi]

so after the bird trio

[daring burrow]

the move tutor guy with heart scale? never seen the move

[cyan hare]

Oh damn no announcement yet?

[vernal wadi]

yes

[daring burrow]

or is it on the last sevii island

[cyan hare]

Must be busy

[white meadow]

Like Electivire gets access to Plasma Fists, several Rock and Ground-types get access to Diamond Storm, ect.

All Dark/Flying type fusions get acces to Oblivion Wing. Real strong if you pair Darkrai with a Sp. Attacking Flying-type.

[plucky bobcat]

Special Attacking Flying Type...Maybe Togekiss?

[white meadow]

Definately good.

I fused it with Rayquaza, lol.

[daring burrow]

xatu

[fallow nimbus]

We're not getting the other lycanroc?

[white meadow]

There's also non-Legendary moves that you can get from the Legendary move tutor's brother.
Like several Dragon-type fusions get access to Clanging Scales.

[daring burrow]

dusk form is just limited event. check the pin for more info

[white meadow]

Aegislash fusions get all the Sword moves (Sacred Sword, Secret Sword, etc.)

[daring burrow]

how about the water shuriken

[white meadow]

I think some get Water Shuriken but the distribution is a bit iffy.

I don't know if there's a specific criteria. Wish there was documentation for it, lol.

Oh, all of the Mythical Pokemon get Light of Ruin.

Celebi, Mew, Jirachi, etc.

Celebi also gets Geomancy because why not.

[cerulean wing]

Update tomorrow!

[feral bear]

Theres a mod that makes all fusions get the highest stats from each mon

[white meadow]

Well in that case it's a whole other ball game.

Also that would make Shuckle fusions hilariously OP, lol.

[pure flower]

shuckle fused with Slaking.

150 HP, 160 Attack 230 Def 230 Sp.Def, 100 speed

[white meadow]

Not only would you get Shuckle's defenses without any downsides, but Shuckle also gives Contrary as an ability.
If that version of the game had a META it would be all about out-Shuckle-ing the other mon.

[pure flower]

pretty much

Though IF used to have multiplayer and the meta was mostly Shedninja

[white meadow]

Understandable

Porygon-Z/Shedinja can have no weaknesses because Air Balloon + Wonder Guard + Conversion Thunderbolt.

Plus it gets Quiver Dance and perfect coverage with Thunderbolt + Ice Beam.

[pure flower]

yup

[pure flower]

isn't porygon z a normal type

[plucky bobcat]

Yes

[white meadow]

Conversion changes your typing to the typing of the last move in your move slots.

[pure flower]

Oh

[white meadow]

So it becomes Electric-type if you put Thunderbolt in the last slot. Suddenly it has no weaknesses.

[pure flower]

Interesting

[white meadow]

Basically discount Tera-Electric Shedinja.

[pure flower]

So it'd leave only mold breaker pokemon to beat that.

[white meadow]

Yep, the entire game would be Mold Breaker vs Shedinja in a META scenario, lol

[pure flower]

In which case, Slaking/Shuckle (with highest stats only) would probably cover

[white meadow]

Haxorus would be a top mon. As would Regigigas, assuming it wasn't banned.

Regigigas gives Mold Breaker as a hidden ability.

[hollow creek]

Ok so definitely no update till tomorrow (today

[pure flower]

IF Regigigas has another ability?

Huh. Never knew that

Then again I'm still patiently waiting for a pokemon or fusion that I actually want to play the game with

[south sluice]

Which is?

[pure flower]

only got past Brock's gym.

[white meadow]

Yeah Regigigas has Mold Breaker if you really want it.
Slaking doesn't have a Hidden Ability but it's not too big a deal since you can just pick the Fusion's ability anyways.

[pure flower]

And well. I don't truly know. I got like Ariados/Galvantula, blaziken/noctowl, and what not. But I felt unhappy about the fusions I was encountering.

[daring burrow]

slaking is just free stat

[pure flower]

None of the designs felt interesting to me.

even spent several months studying the sprite folders looking for something I'd like.

[daring burrow]

then go commission

[pure flower]

I think personally what I'm wanting is a water/dragon type with a design I personally like, being three stages

[daring burrow]

prob like eevee
using stones

[south sluice]

Damn I wish I had that problem lmao I struggle to narrow it down to six, relatively well balanced fusions

[pure flower]

Just 'comission' won't really do. I'm factoring in both the body potential and the head potential designs

and in my head nothing's really sticking. I thought getting Noivern would satisfy it but no...

[south sluice]

What’s worked out for me is finding one cool design and seeing what else that spriter has worked on

I’ve found some of my absolute favorites like that

[pure flower]

the way I've been doing it is after sorting the sprites, I'd open up all the water type sprite folders and look at those designs

goldeen/seaking is the only red water type I really have an exception for since its auto gen shinies are all water type blue

[south sluice]

I think my Mount Rushmore of non-legendary fusions are Snorlax/Nidoking, Sylveon/Magnezone, Tangrowth/Pinsir, and most Mimikyu head fusions

[alpine rune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302153478556352513/1163657591147217138/moxxie-you-what.gif?ex=65405f95&is=652dea95&hm=05c363342649d69653b2fb5fa4113529ea3d23b2a1531ba7dd9f5ef535ca091e&

[drowsy drift]

well?

[fair jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-all-a-lie-lie-tricked-fooled-mad-gif-11841303

[woven maple]

No IF update
Why live

[drowsy drift]

I'm ready to do an all-nighter playing the new update when it drops

[daring burrow]

oof next week end

[ripe wigeon]

we still got nearly a full day of this weekend.

[drowsy drift]

true

[pure flower]

we'll probably be seeing the raffle mon reveal today I believe?

Won't be in the update but I mean. I'm hopeful it's Lurantis.

[prisma willow]

What if Electross?

[hidden relic]

I know what I said.

I wonder if you can figure out what day it's coming

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/poggers-pepe-gif-12187665

[cinder oasis]

This Sunday pretty sure

[drowsy drift]

that's TODAY!!

[cinder oasis]

In 11 hours or so

[junior notch]

Today is the day!!!

[lofty spindle]

I mean... not much left.

[tardy flame]

today is update day

[lofty spindle]

Imagine they shadow-drop it lol.

[tardy flame]

I'd cry

[clever atlas]

So, where update?

[white meadow]

im awake for 26 hours waiting for the update

[eager jungle]

[pure flower]

I feel like the preloaded download just got changed x.x

[lethal reef]

I beg of you go to sleep
The update will be here if you sleep!!

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/never-harrypotter-angry-fire-no-gif-4751988

[fair jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[grave jolt]

yo I heard this is where we wait for the update?

[woven maple]

You haven't heard? Turns out there isn't an update.

Frogman took the money and ran.

[grave jolt]

[alpine rune]

to be fair, some of us are in the future

[fair jewel]

I'm 1 hr in the future of you

[alpine rune]

darn

[woven maple]

Wait till the guy from Kiribati shows up

[daring burrow]

oh update at UTC no wonder

[woven maple]

All the people in GMT+14 have been lied to. The update didn't come out in the weekend (for them)

[alpine rune]

[clever atlas]

No jk it's 11:10 for me rn

[leaden flax]

Same

[plucky bobcat]

Welp, good night everyone. It's past midnight for me, and hopefully the update will come out in the morning

[wintry imp]

Knowing my luck

It'll be tomorrow for us here in Kangaroo land when it launches

Tomorrow is Monday for those not in the know

[woven maple]

I mean it's legit looking like that'll happen. I don't remember what time zone Frogman's in exactly, but if it's in the continental US then right now it's somewhere between about 2 and 5 AM. Frogman's probably asleep, and I doubt he'll release it as soon as he wakes up (because otherwise he'd probably just release it before going to sleep).

[alpine rune]

All i know is that announcements are up usually 2am sunday or 2am monday

which is basically saturday/sunday for yall folks

[late thunder]

Oh it's today? For some reason I thought it was the following week.

[alpine rune]

i thought the same too because its posted on monday at my time

[prime dust]

its either today, or it is the 18th/19th

[alpine rune]

eitherway it is within this week yes?

Treat it as a 7 day margin of error

[prime dust]

yes it'll be this week

[lapis gate]

Ok so, if i start a randomized run before the update goes out, then after updating i go to the guy who re-shuffles encounters, will it throw the new fusions into the pre-update run or nah? Probably a stupid ass question but i legit don't know how that'd work

[white meadow]

yes he will throw the new mons in the randomization

[lapis gate]

Cool, thanks!

[lofty spindle]

Not my 0$!

But no seriously I just hope that if they are delays, we will see some transparency about it.

[woven maple]

If I had to hazard a guess (based on my experience every time I write code), there was one more small change that Frogman was just gonna throw on (think adding more storage boxes or fixing the bike music) and for some reason it broke the rest of the code when he tried to fix it, so after staring at the screen for hours, making no progress, and only getting more frustrated, he decided he'd look at it again after getting some sleep.

Come to think of it, were there any notable bugs from the tech demo/play test?

[silk narwhal]

Do you think he wouldn't have a way to revert those changes?

[tall tangle]

Out of the new pokemon, which ones are you most excited to use? Thought of any particularly fun combos that you are keen to try out?

[wintry imp]

Personally, I'm letting fate decide lol

Gonna be doing a randomizer run and seeing what pops out

[tall tangle]

That's awesome. I wish I could properly endure a nuzlocke.

What difficulty would you suggest playing at?

[wintry imp]

I mean, I'm probably just gonna do easy

But realistically it's up to you. Personal Preference

[tall tangle]

There point, that makes good sense.

The last nuzlocke I did, I quit. Couldn't handle the level spikes in Sword and Shield. Settled for a ghostlocke (or lite, as K.Os didn't end the run), and had a lot more fun. Given the possibilities in IF, I can see a randomized nuzlocke providing years of entertainment.

In terms of new mons, I am excited to see how to make Palossand work. Water compaction is a unique ability, so it would be fun to make that work in unique ways.

[wintry imp]

Tbh it was gonna be just randomised. The run afterwards I might return to Nuzlocke attempts

I was doing runs before the announcement of the new mons and decided to stop until the update came out

[tall tangle]

My goodness, I completely misread what you said and autocompleted it as a randomized nuzlocke! Apologies for the confusion.

Yes, just randomized makes for much fun. You never know what you will find!

[wintry imp]

Yep!

And i keep to fusions only so every run is really unique!

[vernal wadi]

if u cant handle it probably try easy first. i've had like 7 runs in normal mode and i'm still determined to finish it (i've been losing for more than that, believe me)

[woven maple]

Haven't you heard? Propaganda posts are out, complaining about the ambiguous meaning of "Next Weekend!" is in.

[sharp nebula]

i choose to ignore this trend

[white meadow]

29,5 hours

[violet pawn]

go to sleep dumbass

[white meadow]

Never I want that update

And its good so I can fix my sleep rhythem

[violet pawn]

You being awake is not a prerequisite for the update to be released

[white meadow]

But when I sleep I will miss it XD

[violet pawn]

It doesn"t freaking matter!!!!!!

[clever atlas]

You are witholding the update from us

[woven maple]

How about this: you leave on notifications for discord and turn your phone up to max volume. If the update comes out we'll all ping the fuck out of you to wake you up.

[violet pawn]

lmao

[white meadow]

Thats a idea
Okay I trust you XD

[violet pawn]

let's do it

[clever atlas]

K, deal

[woven maple]

I mean it's possible I go to bed before the update comes out. So everyone else remember to ping ZeroCipher too.

Nobody ping him until then. Zero, go to sleep.

[violet pawn]

oh yeah, when is the update even supposed to be? I haven't been paying attention much

[clever atlas]

We'll all get banned for personally targeted spam but its worth it

[woven maple]

"Next Weekend!" was what was said last weekend (or Monday depending on who you ask).

[violet pawn]

alright

[woven maple]

Oh it'll be hilarious. The update will drop and this channel will be filled with people going "WAKE THE FUCK UP ZERO"

[prime dust]

counter argument...we don't do that

[violet pawn]

zero trusts us

[woven maple]

It is literally what he asked for

[violet pawn]

we have to

[lofty spindle]

I do find it interest for how long Frog has been here but inactive.

[wintry imp]

Means nothing to post these at this point but it's fun to think about the memories

[woven maple]

I mean the question once the update drops is when are more new pokemon added? The previous hard limit is gone, it's just up to how much free time the Frog is willing to put towards it. I'd be pretty happy if there was a release of two or three lines every two months, so they could get announced at the start of the first month and then added in at the end of the second month when the first month's sprite pack gets compiled.

It's also possible after this whole release season thing he'd want to chill out for a few more months before even thinking about adding any more, so maybe this is all we get for like a year or more.

[dry cradle]

why even stop at minior with its handful of forms, lets also add in the 4 billion spindas

[woven maple]

Why even stop at official pokemon? In a 96x96 grid where every pixel can be any rgb value or fully transparent, there are a total of 154,618,831,872 possible sprites. Let's just add them all in and let the player decide which out of those they want for their sprite every time they fuse two pokemon together.

[wintry imp]

I just wanted Minior... why are you making this all so complicated 😭

[woven maple]

We've been waiting over 24 hours for an update and we're kinda losing it a little bit.

I haven't been up for 29.5 hours at least, so it could be worse.

[zinc cave]

new update today?

[woven maple]

In theory

[zinc cave]

hype i might start a new game plus with a scolipede or a goodra

[late thunder]

We let Zero sleep in, and the moment he wakes up the download link is removed

[stiff storm]

Is that confirmed that there is no hard limit anymore? I thought this was just a new limit.

[woven maple]

I think this is the one that confirmed it

Ah, I probably shouldn't have pinged Frogman. He's likely busy right now.

Or sleeping. Either way shouldn't have pinged.

[fair jewel]

With the new dynamic fusion system, the amount of 'slots' the Pokemon would occupy would no longer be 'x^2' (with x being the number of base Pokemon), to just 'x'
Meaning originally we had 420 base Pokemon, so we had 176k slots, 1 for each base mon and 1 for each possible fusion
With the new dynamic fusion system, we only need 420 slots for the base Pokemon, and any fusion we need is generated on the spot for the user

[clever atlas]

Bu💤y

[stiff storm]

cool

Praise the Frogman, praaaiseeee

[woven maple]

And Kurayami, who was the one that presented the new method to Frog (or at least I think, but I can't find confirmation now so don't quote me).

[fair jewel]

Originally the dynamic fusion system had been hypothesized long ago, but it was another fusion project that did it first i believe?

[lofty spindle]

For this he shall delay the update for you specifically for 10 days.

[woven maple]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hawkeye-no-please-no-no-sad-gif-16886381

[prime dust]

there's 2 limits:

• Hypnotoad's time
• Updating to a higher version of Pokemon Essentials [or figuring out how to downgrade the newer versions code into V18]

even if Hypnotoad had all the time in the world, we'd still have the Pokemon Essentials limit, which currently makes it so we can't have anything past gen 7

[lofty spindle]

That is what we need to research now.

[woven maple]

We? You're acting like any of us did a thing to break through the 420 limit lol.

[prime dust]

I mean the code is open source

[lethal reef]

Completing all the sprites is never going to happen is it? 😂😂
The goal gets further away the more we do but I don't feel too bad about that.

[prime dust]

probably not

there's a lot of mons that fall into a weird area where either the head or body is very easy to figure out, but the other side of things is presenting issues

[woven maple]

Honestly if we ever get close, it's probably going to continue really slowly for like the last tenth. Those will only be the mons nobody had any good ideas for, like Klink bodies or something, so nobody's rewally going to want to do them, but we won't be close enough for people to power through for the sake of being done.

[silk narwhal]

There are a LOT more

[woven maple]

Source? I did (256^3+1)*(96^2) to get that number.

[silk narwhal]

PNG files have 2^24 possible colors, +1

[woven maple]

2^24 = 256^3

[silk narwhal]

Alright but why did you do a multiplication

[alpine rune]

what is frigid talking? i dont bother to read his thesis

[woven maple]

96^2 possible pixels, each one can be one of 256^3 possible colors or fully transparent which is the +1

[silk narwhal]

To find the combinations in binary, you do the number of possible values (2) elevated to the number of bits (n)

[lethal reef]

And if we ever got to that point everyone would likely be super burnt out so the last lot could just drag along.
So we should add more Pokemon all the time to never run out then! 😂😂

[prime dust]

i'd be okay with getting a batch of mons every year

maybe at most something similar to this event, but otherwise keep it minimalized

[lofty spindle]

Let's say... bi-annually, a year is long after all.

[lethal reef]

Honestly I think I'd like smaller events twice a year than big events like this yearly

[prime dust]

smaller batches then, 10-20 max

[lofty spindle]

Yeah, small events from time to time.

[woven maple]

Are we still talking about possible colors? If so, then yes, that is another way to get the answer. I did 256^3 since (r,g,b) represents a color where r, g, and b can be one of 256 values each. If you instead do 2^24 to represent the bits, you get the same exact answer, because they are equal.

[lethal reef]

Like, a new start set & a handful of single Evo's or a line or two

[lofty spindle]

And frankly even 20 at once seems like a lot.

[lethal reef]

That's enough to give people motivation to work on new sprites, but not have some of the new mons get forgotten

[woven maple]

Really I think what'll happen is the game will sort of fade for a while in popularity, then some new big youtuber will do a video on it and interest will suddenly spike again and a bunch of new artists will join.

[lethal reef]

I feel some of the new mons like garbador and the oricorios have already been forgotten a little,which is a shame- they're such good Pokemon!

[wintry imp]

I think it's more that the Obvious Choices have already had their fusions done, and now it's extending it to everything else that goes slower

[lethal reef]

Hypocritical of me to say as I found this through big youtubers but I think it'll be nice for the game to go off the radar again.
Mostly just to minimise the risk of any legal slapdowns from Nintendo!

[lethal reef]

For me it's been a bit of that, but a lot more of getting distracted by the New Shiny each week. I was so pumped to smash out hordes of scolipede sprites but then got sidetracked with all the blitzes, rushes and comps LMAO

[spice sage]

It woke me up actually

[silk narwhal]

No, you did colors * pixels
It should be pixels ^ colors

[wintry imp]

Honestly fair, lol. I'm not a spriter so I don't really know how the trends go, haha

[woven maple]

Immediately into the several people are typing I see.

[silk narwhal]

If you do 2^n in binary, then in this case its (96*96)^(2^24)

[lethal reef]

WHOS PINGING ZERO

[inland jewel]

To be fair, Garvboder and Oricorio is 2 months ago

[prime dust]

ori is partly understandable since its the first form variation we got and its all birb

sprites for one form might end up coming out looking like they belong to something else

garbordor just has the "its a pile of garbage" issue of how do you do the body sprites [head ones I assume wouldn't be too difficult]

[white meadow]

Guess who woke up cuz my nephews wanna play with my Wii XD

[prime dust]

no one cause the announcement hasn't happened yet

[spice sage]

Yes there's no limit for the number fusions now! Or technically there still is one but it's insanely high. Like billions lol

[lethal reef]

Yeah, it's been tons of fun and I've tried sprites I usually wouldn't, but I am enjoying the relative peace and quiet now to work on more bug horses 🐎

[sullen elbow]

There's room for all the spindas

[silk narwhal]

If you instead use just 1 byte for the colors, which makes sense because we use very little different shades because of similarity, it's more manageable

[inland jewel]

Thanks for your hard work Frogman, take as long as you need on this wonderful game

[silk narwhal]

Which means 8,3728115*10^1014 possible sprites

[wintry imp]

Sounds good :D

[woven maple]

Oh damn you're right. Partly, at least. I think it's actually (256^3+1)^(96^2) since each pixel can be one color and each time you pick a color for a pixel it branches, while you don't have to pick a pixel for every color.

[grand hull]

Id like to see spinda just not all the variants

[prime dust]

or its 809 base mons [654,481 fused mons, not factoring in triples] since that is the max number up to and including all of Gen 7 [unless you have figured out the Pokemon Essentials problem and just don't want to tell us]

[white meadow]

I wonder if a Random pattern system would work in PIF

[lethal reef]

Oh yeah! Did you still want your scolipede/granbull claim? I removed some of the old claims but can pop it back if wanted

[silk narwhal]

I'm just following the formula i know

[spice sage]

I still have a bit of to prep for the update but it should be coming today btw. Sorry for the radio silence yesterday

[wintry imp]

Ok but is there enough room for each Spinda to have it's own fusion?

[prime dust]

nah you good...bet you had popcorn watching us all freak out

[lofty spindle]

No worries, our date was the weekend afterall.

[inland jewel]

I mean I thought I dropped it

[woven maple]

Each pixel is a slot and each color is a value. (256^3+1)^(96^2) gives the total amount of ways you can pick values for those slots.

[wintry imp]

Tis all good. Take all the time you require.

[timid sorrel]

@spice sage 👀

[spice sage]

I barely logged on discord ngl but I'm gonna go read that now xd

[white meadow]

Now he starts a last "reach the number of a emotie" game with 10000 reacts XD

[silk narwhal]

Oh fuck you're right

[woven maple]

For the sake of knowing when I can go to sleep (since time zones) can you give us an ETA on hours?

[lethal reef]

I'll leave it empty then, it's gonna sit for a while anyway I think 😂

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[woven maple]

Yeah turns out neither of us can do math (though apparently you can not do math less)

[woven maple]

(Meaning you're better, I think)

[silk narwhal]

Bad phrasing then lmao

[spice sage]

Oohh good idea!!

[silk narwhal]

Anyways it's still an insanely large number

[lethal reef]

Aight now that frogman is awake I am going to sleep to skip ahead to the release

[woven maple]

It was supposed to be a double negative, whoops.

[spice sage]

It'll certainly buy me a bit more time

[silk narwhal]

16777217^9216 is borderline impossible to calculate

[spice sage]

Early to mid afternoon maybe? I have no clue myself ngl

[woven maple]

What time zone early to mid afternoon?

[wintry imp]

So at the very least not for several hours?

[spice sage]

For sure

[silk narwhal]

With just 1 byte it's a lot easier to calculate, it's 2,185346E22194

[spice sage]

I woke up like 15 minutes ago lol give me a chance

[woven maple]

For sure is not a time zone Frog please

[silk narwhal]

But we both forgot to take into account the 20 colors soft limit on sprites lmao

[spice sage]

EST

[upper talon]

i finally get to talk to the dev

[silk narwhal]

There will never be 9k different colors in a sprite

[agile olive]

ok so I can go to bed thanks. that'll be like some hours

[woven maple]

There are sprites that break those anyways.

[inland jewel]

It’s 8:30 Est right now so around 4-6 hours

Nap time boyos

[upper talon]

its 3:34 Est for me

[woven maple]

If we were going to do it, then it'd be [(21)^(96^2)]*(256^3 choose 20). Edited because I forgot about transparent pixels.

[silk narwhal]

There shouldn't be

[woven maple]

Looking through Fusion Bot right now I see some

[grand hull]

Im gonna set a timer so I don’t forget the update is coming out

[white meadow]

Awesome
Early night
On a sunday
Im lucky I have free tomorrow and only a important meeting

[woven maple]

Zero go to sleep

We'll ping you

[white meadow]

Yeah I go back to sleep dont worry

[graceful torrent]

Good morning Mr frog guy I am ready to use a whole team of REGICE in my video game

[woven maple]

Actually everyone ping me when the update drops too

[upper talon]

wow there are a alot of people in here

[pure pewter]

Ping everyone but Zero

[spice sage]

(I'll ping the Game update role in the announcement so you're good)

[lofty spindle]

Hm... will have to see if the update drops today for me. Late afternoon could be like, 1 am monday for me.

[upper talon]

what why

[woven maple]

I will likely miss a single ping if I'm sleeping. I need people to spam me to guarantee I wake up.

[upper talon]

nvm

[ebon glacier]

I’ll send my hitman, how’s that?

[woven maple]

Imagine being hired to break into people's houses to wake them up on time.

[pure pewter]

I will also send this guys hitman

[woven maple]

Okay, but I am going to go to sleep now I think, so stop pinging me until the update comes please.

[wooden loom]

Hiya! I was wondering, theoretically {lemme cook}, could there not be something adhoc which could be done re mp? Even locally?
The following example is for 2 instances of IF running on the same pc (it's how me and my brother usually play)
So for trading, e.g. a line of code which streamlines exporting/importing a pokemon as a text file.
For battling: eg some option within IF lets you export your team into a txt file (streamlined). Separate to this is a "battle program" (basically the exact same as IF, which uses the same battle engine of IF takes up the 2 exported team files as input.) One player controls the "main player" and the second player controls the "NPC", each giving input for each turn. (sounds like showdown but local).
Quite adhoc quite rough, no anti-cheat checks, but just something bare-bones for local multiplayer (which could be extended online thru eg hamaci etc).
Nothing serious or competitive, just for if someone wants to use his abominations to battle another human.
Plenty open to improvements but hopefully wouldn't be difficult?
I'd take a shot at coding it myself if I was in any way competent at coding (which I no longer am)

[wintry imp]

Should probably head to bed soon myself. I'll catch the update by morning I'm sure.

[white meadow]

cries in uk timezone

[wintry imp]

https://tenor.com/view/around-the-world-daft-punk-spin-pikachu-pikachu-spin-gif-23371288

[timid sorrel]

Around the world, around the wooooooorl-

[radiant mirage]

i think you mean the correct time zone

[timid sorrel]

How 13'o'clock? Clocks only go up to 12.

[lyric zephyr]

Military time

[timid sorrel]

What part of the world is it military time in?

[lyric zephyr]

It's a method of tracking the time, a 24-hour clock instead of a 12 hour clock that cycles twice

[timid sorrel]

There are parts of the world with 48 hours instead of 24? Lucky.

[graceful torrent]

That’s a really long day

[clever atlas]

On Venus, 1 day > 1 year

[patent jewel]

im so excited for hawlucha

[leaden flax]

Same

[fallen loom]

uh, so the new update...?

[proud lion]

Later today

[grand hull]

It’s coming today

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/heatblast-ben10-ben10classic-gif-7479109445494449680

[restive arrow]

UPDATE TODAY LETS GOOOOOO

[grand hull]

Let’s hope it’s soon

[restive arrow]

frogman said sometime in the afternoon / evening EST

[lofty spindle]

Min. 2 more hours, likely more, up to 8.

[tardy flame]

I return to the waiting room

[tulip nymph]

litterraly came in here to ask about the update, was surprised by good news and one piece, im happy :3

[tardy flame]

[graceful torrent]

How will the new mons be distributed to NPC trainer teams, if at all?

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-an-i-oop-sk-sk-sk-yeet-pokemon-gif-15543671

[grand hull]

That could be what’s taking so long for the update maybe

[marble meadow]

catching mons be like that

let see how much hyperballs i used up to catch necro

[stiff storm]

There are other fusion games? Thats suprising. Do they compare at all to IF?

[fair jewel]

gameplay wise? idk, never bothered, because they use autogen sprites iirc
Also they're likely not completed yet

[prime dust]

pokemon infinite i think is a game with similar fusion mechanic

or it might be called something else

not 100% sure, but there are other games that have a fusion mechanic

[drowsy elm]

I just realized, I'm pretty excited to see what other features are in the update

If any

[mint grotto]

im hopeing for like a chance to actuly join team rocket mainly cause i feel cheated that when you try to join the guy takes the offer back but i doubt it would be put in

[loud sorrel]

i feel like a team rocket option would take a lot of time and effort to implement

but yeah im actually really curious what content theyll add other than the new pokemon

[grand hull]

I’m excited for the way to get necrozma

[loud sorrel]

i imagine itll be a postgame sidequest of some kind
if theyll add a new area for it im not sure

[restive arrow]

It was fusion generation or something
Whatever the really old one that only used the original generator sprites was called

[loud sorrel]

yeah fusion generation was changed for better optimization
i think theres more flowers placed in the overworld to facilitate oricorio's transfromations

i imagine therell be some miscellaneous bug fixes
im not currently arare of any bugs except for the one where puddle splashes will appear when you walk on a water bridge
and i think that was fixed too

[silent acorn]

Its a lot of content to Implement honestly

[loud sorrel]

yeah like
is it just gonna be a sidequest or a decision that sticks to the end of the game

[hollow creek]

Sans dies in the postgame btw

[loud sorrel]

[drowsy elm]

I'm hoping for the character customization people have been asking for

[fair jewel]

??? What kind of character customization were you hoping for?

[loud sorrel]

character customization would be nice
but unless its some big secret i doubt its in this update

[fair jewel]

This is a sprite based game, you need actual sprites/assets for there to customize, and no1 is working on that

[hollow creek]

You can just make your own custom character by editing ingame sprites

[fair jewel]

if you're talking about sprite replacement, we can already do that by switching sprites

[prisma willow]

I kinda wish you could choose the 3 starters as sometimes it ends up very unbalanced with you getting a strong one and your rival getting a super weak one with a broken fusion.

[loud sorrel]

youre talking about random mode?

[prisma willow]

Yes

[fair jewel]

Oh right, i'd better prepare a save ready for NG+ in case the saves are compatible

[tardy flame]

is that a utsuho pfp I see

[prisma willow]

Yes

[tardy flame]

precious nuke birb, that's all I had to say

[loud sorrel]

itd be nice if they had like, a larger selection of starters to choose from
in the regular game you only get the kanto starters
a wider selection of starters would be cool

[lusty moth]

So when are new Pokémon being added to the game. And how many of the ones announced are being added in

[loud sorrel]

so the pokemon should be added in todays update
and theres one more line that has yet to be revealed
i dont think ill be coming in this update though

[silk narwhal]

It won't

[mystic rivet]

we still don't know that for sure, but i don't really care either way. i have plenty of stuff to keep me busy until the next sprite pack update.

[spice sage]

That was infinite fusion

[loud sorrel]

what time can we expect the announcement to drop hypno

[lusty moth]

Gotcha thank you

[fair jewel]

They were trying to refer to other Pokemon fusion games, not the old version of IF

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[hidden relic]

yeah, I kinda forgor. Timezones suck

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/future-squidward-spongebob-gif-4767609

[spice sage]

yeah but if is the only that used the original generator afaik

[drowsy elm]

Something similar to what they do with the choosing of custom sprites in the pokedex, the ability to use the other sprites people have made

[loud sorrel]

that could actually be a cool idea
though thered be a ton of character sprites to sort through

[grand hull]

You can do that but it’s harder cause you have to go into the files

[drowsy elm]

Exactly why I (and others) want it to be a feature

Either way it's a hope and it's probably not happening soon but it is a hope for the update

[restive arrow]

Ah okay
Didn't either markiplier or jacksepticeye play the demo of it way back in the day? I coulda sworn one of them played and used an aerodactyl/gyarados fusion

[loud sorrel]

i wouldnt know
but hopefully we get an influx of new players with this update
...even though im not sure how many people are gonna be aware of the new update lol

[white meadow]

good day everyone

[loud sorrel]

good day
fine day for a nice update yeah?

[white meadow]

I slept and hope the Update is here soon cuz its late

[white meadow]

I stayed awake for like 30ish hours waiting now I slept some hours

[loud sorrel]

not sure when its dropping but hopefully soon

[radiant briar]

Weak, I have been up for an entire week waiting for the update

[white meadow]

yeah people told me to go to sleep

[inland jewel]

welcome back, i just awoken too,

[silk narwhal]

It's now late afternoon/early evening in my timezone
Which is 6 hours ahead of Toad's 💀

[white meadow]

same

[silk narwhal]

Kill myself i must

[remote crest]

Come on Toad we believe in you

[outer matrix]

Another guess is that the update will come out around the same time as other announcements: in 2-3ish hours from now I think

[lofty spindle]

Frankly sounds reasonable.

[silk narwhal]

Yeah i also think that'll be the case

I really hope so, i can't wait anymore

[tight hedge]

add greninja

[lofty spindle]

But then they'll have no nerf it right away...

[distant forum]

will thay be adding ALL the new pokemon? or just the ones that have sprites with another update next month with the sprite pack?

[tardy flame]

everything except the one that isn't yet revealed, all sprites done in november so far will be added

[distant forum]

ok

that means i can start my Dunsparcelocke soon

[vague fog]

Can't wait for the update

[lofty spindle]

Will be interesting to see both the new spawn locations, and of course... the move expert changes...

[cobalt nebula]

What do you think will take the last slot (I know it’s not technically a slot)

[lofty spindle]

Would be cool to see the different possibilities.

[stiff storm]

move expert changes?

[lofty spindle]

Well my thoughts are twofold there.
Firstly, I wonder about new additions for both moves as well as Pokémon that can learn stuff.

Secondly, Frog has been considering removing signature moves from the selection if their original Pokémon is included.

#game-suggestions message
Here is my petition against it, gotta shill it one more time before the update drops.

Maybe we can get it to 70 before the moment, would be cool.

[lusty moth]

Anyone know why Lycanroc dusk form isn’t going to be in the game

[thorny ferry]

No clue tbh

[grand hull]

It’s head is too similar to midday

[tardy flame]

its in the pins

[distant forum]

just fuse the 2 forms

[lusty moth]

Gotcha. I didn’t know that sorry

[dry cradle]

i wonder where the new mons will be catchable

nechrozma will be in a wormhole that we go through(im coping so hard rn)

[prime dust]

most stuff is pre-E4

[tardy flame]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[cedar fjord]

Dhelmise and Mareanie being post E4 is weird but eh

Wonder if we're getting another fossil guy fight for Amaura/Tyrunt

[cedar shuttle]

What about dusk lycanrock would it be its own entry or midday + midnight fusion?

[inland jewel]

the later

[cedar shuttle]

Ah ok

[inland jewel]

Frogman's reasoning: To similar to Midday

[cedar shuttle]

Fair enough

[inland jewel]

plus event only form like Ash Greninja

[white meadow]

its cuz Mareanie lets us go past Corsola

[mystic rivet]

i just want to spook the corsola, not feed them to my pokemon

[slim bone]

mareanie/toxapex letting you get past corsola is a cool feature

[outer matrix]

is there a simple fix to getting pokemon like mareanie early on with seperate saves using the same boxes?

[mystic rivet]

if you really want it, just use the settings to pick it as your starter.

[rose gazelle]

hey quick question when the new update come out

[mystic rivet]

or you mean early on an existing save

[prime dust]

Soon™️

[rose gazelle]

cool

thanks

[outer matrix]

i mean, creating a new save with that pokemon as the starter (preferably fused with another new one), catching a random route 1 pokemon like rattata, then when having access to the pc boxes, I deposit the fused pokemon in there so that when I go to another save, it shows up and is usable

[mystic rivet]

i don't think you can do that with a fresh save, but you can get it in a post-game save and just start a new game+ once you catch it.

[lofty spindle]

I think... this may now be the most popular suggestion ever submitted.

[prime dust]

you can

its called new game +

beyond that it is impossible

[mystic rivet]

i assume you meant to quote Bigjoke

[civic rapids]

Yo! NIce Digimon Cybersleuth Avatar! 👍

[dry cradle]

Yo! Nice Kingdom Hearts Shadow Avatar! 👍

[winter folio]

What time is it at the last time zone in the world?

[sharp nebula]

earliest is 9am

the latest is 9am

[winter folio]

I guess new update will be tomorrow for me then

[silk narwhal]

Reminder it's just 2 PM for Toad

[slim bone]

is there an estimated timeframe of when it drops?

[silk narwhal]

Toad said "probably late afternoon"

[slim bone]

as in late afternoon for him?

[silk narwhal]

But for his timezone (EST)

[slim bone]

ok thats pog then bc its 1 PM for me

[stiff storm]

Can you breed moves taught by the move expert?

[silk narwhal]

It's 8 PM here...

[slim bone]

thats crazy it'll be tomorrow for some ppl

[hollow creek]

Ohhhhhh ok

[silk narwhal]

Honestly, for almost everyone probably

[hollow creek]

Late afternoon is like 5pm for me

It’s 2pm for me now

[silk narwhal]

Late afternoon is indeed 5-6 PM but again, it's late afternoon for him

[white meadow]

It hurts that it is so late
Its 8 pm for me atm qwq

[pliant sleet]

^

[silk narwhal]

So if we consider 5-6 PM as late afternoon, we gotta wait 3-4 more hours

Which is literally midnight for me
And there's school tomorrow 💀

[tardy flame]

so it go, timezones got hands

[slim bone]

5-6pm would be 6-7pm for me. i feel you tho, i have work tomorrow

[white meadow]

Ngl that time hurts
If it would have been released yesterday it would have been great cuz everyone would have had time to play as soon as it comes out

[outer matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-tomorrow-tomorrow-for-sure-eventually-uhhh-gif-1449581977852559422

[orchid flare]

Soon TM

[quasi cave]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-gif-24287581

[white meadow]

whats new for the update?

[vague fog]

Several new pokemon

[loud sorrel]

also a new method of loading up fusions which improves optimization

[white meadow]

is necrozma included?

[loud sorrel]

should be

[white meadow]

nice, thank you

[idle siren]

@white meadow if you want the full list of new Pokémon start from here (#announcements message) in #announcements

[silk narwhal]

Every single announced mon is

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-hype-train-hype-pinkie-pie-mlp-gif-17722254

whatever the last mon will be I’m hyped

[grand hull]

How long has the frogman been online for?

[marble meadow]

i keep myself awake with cola and also I have a day off tomorrow

[tranquil path]

https://tenor.com/view/bean-mr-middle-finger-gif-25557078

me patiently waiting all weekend for the announcement to be simipour

[tulip nymph]

i am having soooo much trouble waiting >.<

[outer matrix]

maybe in a few minutes?

[marble meadow]

Im chill and also im a Night owl

[potent venture]

https://tenor.com/view/michelle-taking-forever-waiting-impatient-gif-7194194

[mystic rivet]

waits faster

[idle siren]

Real

[tall tangle]

I'm calling it now. It's Bruxish. That's the final mon to be announced.

Or possibly Luvdisc

[tranquil path]

my actual final answer is ludicolo based on what little hints i could glean

[grand hull]

waits harder

[tall tangle]

Omg. I'd love Ludicolo.

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-giovanni-ludicolo-dance-dancing-gif-5320094

[slim bone]

where do you see the hints at the final mon?

[tulip nymph]

can never go wrong with the pokeball afro

[tranquil path]

the hints were that it wasnt anything that people were pinging the winner for, its non legend, 3-7 not in the game, it was on the top 50% of some tier list of likelyness to be added that i forgot where it was, (but ludi was top50%). and that its "funky"

so i combed the list of potential pokemon yet to be added and i thought about how i heard 0 people ever mention ludicolo so i figured its him, bruxish technically fits but ive heard so much about it i think its too expected

[primal rapids]

would love ludicolo and would love to see the creativity for its fusions

[tranquil path]

give everyone a lilypad 😊

[slim bone]

im mainly excited for toxapex line, tyrantrum line & necrozma

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/miror-b-gif-19660101

But wich mon would fuse into him

[tranquil path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/334550542850326540/1170971068257816676/im_always_right.png?ex=655afaca&is=654885ca&hm=0c699b8c33ba30a4d15f92e1cd8c987001e92e050123dd009c539cac325891b2& oh heres the tier list

so i count 10 tiers and ludi is in the 5th from the top

[potent venture]

voltorb

[marble meadow]

malmar or ludicollo are good choices

[primal rapids]

i can see zangoose and serviper xD

[slim bone]

i would LOVE if malamar line got added

[drowsy elm]

Meloetta is technically not legendary (im coping)

[slim bone]

same w drapion tho, would make for some awesome fusions

[tranquil path]

tbh im fine regardless of what gets added cuz i got the regis and thats all i really wanted, a few others would be cool but ye

[marble meadow]

Im Fine too cuz my fav legendary necrozma is in

[feral bear]

Discoblob didnt pick the winner, he picked an option for a random raffle, so those hints dont apply to the final mon

[tranquil path]

oh fr

[slim bone]

if those hints dont apply then theres still hope for drapion!

[tranquil path]

well damn chaos pick it is then

[feral bear]

Yes, his choice is one option of several. The other options in the raffle were picked by recent contest winners

[remote crest]

So when update

[lofty spindle]

There no one winner.

The person you mean is just one of the people that got to enter the raffle.

[tranquil path]

was just informed a few mins ago on that but ty

[rugged burrow]

Soon™

[raw bison]

Yeah if the contest winners all came out and announced their picks we could maybe guess or speculate on the options, but that information isn't public, probably to prevent harassment.

[inland jewel]

everyone ganging up on the guy who picked Simisear

[grand hull]

I would

[raw bison]

Though a fun reveal idea just came to me, they could have a little spinning wheel with the options for the teaser and then the reveal is an animation of it spinning and landing on the winner

[inland jewel]

so what they did for Trev winner then

[mystic rivet]

i really hope this stalling is just to get as many custom sprites ready as possible before release

[raw bison]

Oh I didn't see that they'd done that for the trevanent rush, but I suppose yeah

[grand hull]

It’s not necessarily stalling they might not be done yet

[raw bison]

But with just the mons/their pictures, not the usernames

As much as I'm sure the spriter who gets their pick as the winner is gonna be stoked I think bullhorning "hey this user chose this mon and its the last one you're getting for now" would just be inviting people to dog pile on them

Most people here are chill, but there's a few out there who ain't got none

[inland jewel]

we all saw what went down after the regi-trio was announced

[white meadow]

Can we finaly get the version

[glossy osprey]

in 20 minutes

[white meadow]

Please

[inland jewel]

Frogman be like, everytime someone rushes him he extends the wait by another minute

[white meadow]

Would love that

[inland jewel]

those who ping him extend it another 5

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-spongebob-observe-watch-me-gif-26839256

[white meadow]

I designe you a Garden Frogman
Im a fully learned german Landscape Gardener

[silent acorn]

I proclaim thou shall be satisfied with entry 132 or...

https://tenor.com/view/in-there-out-get-out-get-in-door-gif-15810355

[swift bison]

Patch is out!!!

[silent acorn]

And thus spoke memesis and everyone saw their name

And thus they claimed a foolish soul

You know what's silly is that you can get the new patch by Going to a pharmacy, you just have to ask for medicine for salt.

[white meadow]

Faster in announcements than anything else

[silk narwhal]

IT'S OUT

[slim bone]

POG

[white meadow]

Finaly