pif-hoenn-discussion

[orchid vault]

zigzagoon can also learn surf for some reason. Imagine crossing the ocean on your weird spiky racoon (roughly racoon sized)

[silent acorn]

I actually like Linoone better as a HM slave than tropius. Mostly because for the most part fly is a good move that you can teach to an actually good mon

Tropius is one of those pokemon that as much as people tell you it's awesome when you actually use it it's kind of a let down, like with purugly, looks good and does kick ass early game but really let's you down later

its best stat is HP but like what's the point of that when you have many weaknesses, the other problem I have with it, it's that's it's basically wishi washi about what I wants to be.

Also its really goofy but with solar power it loses hp to gain special attack power, but seriously the stat spread is atrocious, if its spatck was it's highlight I would sing it praises to next week.

[leaden bay]

guess I'll never know what rank Tsareena's line had in the spriter popularity voting 😔

[hushed mantle]

I’ve seen better pokemon with less bst 😭

[white meadow]

what a lacking movepool and a mid typing does to a mf

[buoyant cipher]

Hey there been off for a while and deciding to start again. Have the new mons been added to the game yet, and if so, do I need to manually download a patch/version?

[sullen elbow]

This weekend

[buoyant cipher]

huh

what a coincidence. thanks

[hollow creek]

im surprised with how well wimpod line did with how much of a pain it'd be a sprite

[white meadow]

Its actually fun and easy to sprite

[hollow creek]

I guess we'll see if it wins the raffle next week (maybe)

[white meadow]

Golisopede

[sullen elbow]

Lies

[white meadow]

I hope its last time for ngs to win this addition

[white meadow]

Okay not easy I say medium

Would be god tier if Goliso wins raffle

[hollow creek]

if thats yours I gotta say thats amazin

[white meadow]

It is so thanks

[empty pendant]

danganronpa blood lookin image

[coral solar]

Honestl 2/3 ain't bad

[loud sorrel]

yeah
i dont have a defined wish list but i think i only got like one of them (froslass)

[lofty spindle]

66% is a passing grade.

[white meadow]

I actually got some mons I wanted
Sableye
Scolipede
Necrozma
Noivern
Lycanroc
Aurorus
Tyrantrum

[loud sorrel]

thats nice
actually does anyone know when the last big update event was

like was there a big update with mons added before this one

[south bison]

I scrolled through #announcements where that info would be, and it seems like theres never been an event for additions, they slowly rolled new pokemon out in normal updates

The game blew up over the last year or so, and I imagine this event was due to the major boost in interest

[white meadow]

I'm satisfied as well, they all have great fusion potential

Still sad for Golisopod tho

Well i guess that's for later

[high haven]

I'm really hoping Seviper ends up in the game, or at the very least other highly wanted pokemon that I want.

[silent acorn]

I am proud to say... Jynx/Lycanroc is a success! Yay! Another good one to the Jynx collection!

[silent acorn]

About what I originally wanted everything else is cherries on top.

[loud sorrel]

maybe in like two years ill make a new wish list lol
when the next update event rolls around

[silent acorn]

I know I have to make one, it's really broad honestly

I honestly want either croagunk or Drapion from Gen 5 mostly, I think I'll support both abomasnow and vanilluxe.
I'll keep supporting musharna, Lilligant, maybe jellicent is good. Let me make a blacklist

[hidden relic]

Crustle is unironically good tho

[silent acorn]

It actually is despite what one might think

[cobalt nebula]

True!

[loud sorrel]

for my wish list i guess it would be:
-the starter sets (5, 6, 7)
-tropius
-buizel line
-leavanny line
-vanilluxe line
-meloetta
-diancie
-lurantis line
-the tapus
-and the ultra beasts

[silent acorn]

It has pretty good stat distribution.

[loud sorrel]

man it is gonna be so long until we get the next batch of new mons
i do get it though
it takes a lot of work to implement them and the devs have lives outside of the game

[cinder oasis]

If I could choose one more Mon i'd add archeops

[coral solar]

Where tf is Vespiquen

Don't get me wrong I'm glad you acknowledge Vanilluxe's superiority

[stone cliff]

I want Clawitzer, Claydol and Ludicolo

[coral solar]

But Ice Cream AND Honey, you know?

[stone cliff]

I think Vanilluxe would be better with some design tweaks

It's too monochrome for me personally

[loud sorrel]

vespiqueen would be nice too

[coral solar]

It's just a funny guy.

Chillin'

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-vanilluxe-gif-27484308

[loud sorrel]

i think the ice creams are mostly fine

could maybe have had some flavor variants or something

[stone cliff]

I used to hate him because "he's just ice cream" but eventually realized that's dumb

Still hate Klefki tho

[coral solar]

Pokemon Fans: "Ugh, Gen 5 designs are so LAZY, this one is just a floating ice cream cone!"

Also Pokemon Fans: "God Gen 1 designs were so good, Electrode and Muk are peak."

[mystic rivet]

I don't really hate any pokemon. The worst I'll say is some are a bit boring.

[stone cliff]

There are definitely some designs that I pretty strongly dislike lol. Forces of Nature are definitely some of em

[mystic rivet]

Even the most boring pokemon can still do various elemental attacks. That's more than we can do.

[cinder oasis]

Vespiquen is mid

[sterile verge]

be a real gamer and hate every pokemon

[coral solar]

I just love pointing out to people that Pokemon has always been turning inanimate objects into living creatures, and watching them get all defensive

[stone cliff]

I'm also the guy whose favorite designs are gen 2/3 so there's not a ton of people that agree with me a lot of the time lol

[mystic rivet]

Tbh it mostly just makes me curious how they would have "naturally selected" to look like a common object.

[silent acorn]

ok everything not white is missing from Gen 5

[coral solar]

Gen 3 holds a special place in my heart as the first gen I ever played.

But Gen 5 has the best designs IMO.

I was a Gen 5 stan before the Internet suddenly decided Gen 5 was good actually

[stone cliff]

That's honestly why I hate Klefki. Most of em seem to have a reason to look like the object, but Klefki looks like a keyring to... Steal more keys?

[silent acorn]

It doesn't feel organic yeah

[stone cliff]

Imagine liking keys being an evolutionary pressure

[coral solar]

Tbf, Klefki was introduced in the same Gen where Fairies became a thing.

And disguising themselves to get away with pranks and mischief is something fairies do across all cultures.

[silent acorn]

I mean honestly atleast vanilluxe feels more cohesive that it is cream shaped to keep it's body in a more solid stable shape

[mystic rivet]

Maybe it happened to like these man-made things that humans made because they resemble what it already looked like.

[stone cliff]

That's fair, still feels like they had so much more to work with than that though lol

[silent acorn]

That and maybe you known.... Making G creatures was gonna be problematic?

[cinder oasis]

I like Klefki more then Vanilluxe honestly

[coral solar]

Klefki, as a species, decides it really likes the jingle jangle metal sticks, and evolves to resemble the things that people put the jingle-jangle sticks on

Seems legit to me.

[stone cliff]

Vanilluxe looks more natural at least (even though I don't like his weird ice cookie straw thing)

[silent acorn]

Well it does float and move the little thing where it holds its keys as arms so yeah

[mystic rivet]

I'm guessing a lot more people like klefki around here cuz it's all kingdom hearts references.

[silent acorn]

Probly I mean its decent to make weirdo creatures

[coral solar]

DARKNESS

[cinder oasis]

Just in general I like Klefki more

[silent acorn]

It works the same ways for abstract fusions as klingklang does

Keys plus creatures?

[coral solar]

I love Klefki/Doublade

I've always wanted to just have a pair of sapient keyblades

[stone cliff]

I dislike Klingklang, but that's just because I think it's ugly af lmao

[coral solar]

Klinklang by itself is ugly, but it makes some baller AF fusions

[mystic rivet]

Any excuse to have robot pokemon

[stone cliff]

The durr line is one of the ugliest to me personally

[coral solar]

Klinklang/Rhyperior is in my top 10 fusions

[silent acorn]

I just realized Klefki can make heartless from Kingdom Hearts

[silent acorn]

Honestly magearnas thing but when you have Kling Klang what do you need it for?

[mystic rivet]

Sableye has a good base shadow heartless shape

[stone cliff]

Robot maid pokemon obviously

[coral solar]

Magearna makes more dolly, frilly-type robos

Whereas Klinklang makes more steampunk, oil-and-cogs type robos

[silent acorn]

I mean that's not a whole lot to work with you know

I much prefer rock maid pokemon

[mystic rivet]

It's robot vs battle maiden

[silent acorn]

More like crystal maiden

Diancie or magearna we can have both, but only one fe-I mean itch shall be eased first

[mystic rivet]

Rip to diancie x magearna fusions. Until the next big addition at least.

[ionic rain]

Gen 4 slaps tbh, I think i like every gen except 6

[silent acorn]

You know I find it goofy that Tropius is Gen 3 yet I only know it from 4, and it honestly still sucked there. It also hasn't gotten much over the years

[mystic rivet]

Gen 5 is the most boring dex overall, but everything else is amazing and still has some of my absolute favorites in that dex.

[coral solar]

How do you know Tropius from Gen 4, it wasn't even catchable in those games

Was it?

[silent acorn]

You could find it in the safari marsh in platinum

[ionic rain]

I know it from gen 5, still I knew it wasn't from gen 5 cause I used to watch the animes

[silent acorn]

Was it any better there?

[coral solar]

I knew it from Gen 3 because I distinctly remember thinking it was the coolest shit when I randomly encountered a f***ing flying brontosaurus while running down the rainy route

[silent acorn]

That is until you hit it with fire of which there is plenty in Gen 3

[ionic rain]

Well, I don't remember tbh

[coral solar]

That's all grass types though

[silent acorn]

And you realize it's slow as shit, depends on sunny day to do anything and basically sets itself up to be killed

[ionic rain]

it's a banana tree tho...

[silent acorn]

Like that's my issue with it, it's just a mon that's way too easy to predict.

[ionic rain]

The only grass flight pokemon right?

[coral solar]

It can't be two things?

[silent acorn]

Yep but wonder for a second, why haven't they done that again

They did bug/grass again with leavanny and it showed it was viable, then why didn't they do flying/grass again.

[ionic rain]

ig

[coral solar]

Tropius deserved a mega.

It would've gotten one too, if Sceptile hadn't called dibs on the Grass/Dragon hype train

[ionic rain]

think about a flying tree

Forgot megas was a thing

[silent acorn]

That's about all I hear anyone talk about for it. That It should have been dragon, well it's a damn shame and injustice it isn't, but can't fix that, can't fix it either. It's stats are hell abysmal for how fine it looks.

It will eventually get in, but that's all the more reason to vote something else while it waits it's turn.

Like hell communityj vote let's us pick mythicals, we could just pick to add cresselia from Gen 4 which is nice enough for its Gen.

Secondary thought Torkoal deserves the spot more.

[coral solar]

Jumpluff line

[silent acorn]

My boy turtle furnace has unrecognized merit, and that's saying a lot with the options we get.

[silent acorn]

... Its not even unique...

[coral solar]

Was that the question he asked? No

[silent acorn]

"Tropius has a unique typying, the only grass/flying type"

Well there goes that uniqueness of it.

I always hear people mention that it's special because of that when in fact Jumpluff has that and it's way better at it.

[pure flower]

Honestly. I wouldn't want tropius to give up grass flying if it had a mega

[silent acorn]

But it doesn't, tropius isn't gonna get any better man.

[pure flower]

I don't see megas exactly returning, but sometimes it's fun to entertain thoughts

[ionic rain]

How did I forget my favorite bois

[coral solar]

Babu W

[pure flower]

Been thinking about a concept for a Lurantis/Machamp fusion. Just not sure if I even have the skill to draw or sprite it...

[silent acorn]

Like what a samurai mantis with its hidden blade arm ready to strike?

[coral solar]

Tropius suffers the same problem that most Ice types suffer.

Having bulky stats and a defensive movepool, when its typing prevents it from functioning as a defensive mon

[silent acorn]

this looks like a good image

[silent acorn]

Yep, except a lot of the good ice types fix that by just being fast enough to hit hard

[coral solar]

I said MOST ice types.

The ones that are fast and strong enough to hit hard obviously are not the ones I am referring to in that statement

[pure flower]

Lurantis head with the machamp mohawk, machamp body dressed in Lurantis's 'outfit', arms that end in scythes. More androgynous in appearance then typical of Machamp.

Think of it more akin to that one Unova fighting type weasel.

Meinfoo? Or what was the name?

[silent acorn]

Close mienfoo

[pure flower]

Is that the final form

Basically the pink one with long sleeves

[high haven]

Mienshao is the final form

[stone cliff]

Chow Meinfoo

[pure flower]

Mienshao, okay. But yeah. A Lurantis/Machamp fusion in the same design vein as Mienshao

Regal yet dangerous.

[high haven]

Fair, but I would say it makes more sense with Machoke

[coral solar]

Ah yes, Mienfoo.

The 2-stage mon that doesn't evolve until Lv 50 for literally no good reason

[high haven]

Due to the four arms that Machamp has

[stone cliff]

A bulky mantis
Dainty, also powerful
Refrigerator

[pure flower]

Yes. The four arms is actually exactly what I'm wanting

But it could be made so Lurantis has fusions with Machoke and Machamp

[coral solar]

Well you're either going to get a muscular four-armed pink mantis, or a skinny grey two-armed mantis wearing a power speedo

[pure flower]

Having a similar design with different pose/arm counts

[stone cliff]

Give the speedo a floral pattern

[pure flower]

I'm not really thinking either. More so something in-between

Bleh. I should try and start practicing. Getting over my own self confidence issues. I want to make sprites somehow

[silent crag]

that’s gen 5 for ya. they made the pokemon evolve so late for no reason. deino and pawniard evolve way too late to be worth catching most of the time.

[silent acorn]

Actually I think it's balanced a bit since a lot of those haver high stats

[coral solar]

Actually Lurantis is wearing striped baggy pants and Machamp is wearing a power speedo, so a fusion between the two would have to combine their unique choices in legwear

[silent acorn]

Starters are another story

[pure flower]

It doesn't have to be a speedo.

[silent acorn]

No it doesn't, do you want a stripters pants?

[coral solar]

YES

That'd be hilarious

Burly four-armed preying mantis wearing tearaway pants is an aesthetic

[silent acorn]

Traumatizing and ew

[silent crag]

bisharp does NOT have high stats. and, yes, hydreigon is a pseudo-legend, but level 64 is too high for even that. like, cosmog in gen 7 reaches its final form at the same level that dratini and larvitar’s lines do, and solgaleo and lunala are box legends.

[silent acorn]

Well ok, but they don't suck. Also Bisharp is already in anyway and hydreigon too

[stone cliff]

Can't wait for them to introduce a non-legendary with like 605 BST and make it evolve at 75

[silent acorn]

Level cap 999 when

[hollow creek]

whose ready for the update saturday

[hushed mantle]

I think 64 is a reference to king ghidorah which was created in 1964

[pure flower]

I believe they did a similar thing with Baxcalibur too

having the level it evolves to that form match the date it was initally created

[silent acorn]

You know what's funny about this late level pokemon, its that mienfoo for example has a attack stat of 85 whilst tropius who has a BST of 460 only has 68. You know you are not doing something right when the little kunfu apprentice that evolves late has a more specialized build

[cobalt nebula]

I don’t even pay attention to Pokémon stats anymore. (I dont do competitive) cause they make no sense.

[inland jewel]

to put it into perspective though,
In the generation that Meinfoo came out,

The only times you have access to them is Dragontower, (before the last gym) and Victory road.

The first time you encounter tropius in the first gen they came out in it was a route that is just before the 6th gym

Inherently balanced around where you find them the first time.

to have a good nuzlocke killer they just need speed and attack

[silent acorn]

Tropius doesn't have that though

[inland jewel]

I was talking about Purugly

[silent acorn]

Ah purugly is another story

[inland jewel]

how speed and attack are its only good stats

[silent acorn]

Yeah it's more balanced around being a pain.

Thing is normal is only weak to fighting, which even if you have a monferno or machop purugly early on is a pain.

[inland jewel]

which is a perfect boss mon

[weak trellis]

yea it's a mon intended to be used against you, not by you

[inland jewel]

But i like using purugly

[weak trellis]

which is fair, though it's only available in two games normally

[inland jewel]

on my team all four times for sinnoh games

[weak trellis]

(Pearl and ORAS via mirage islands)

[inland jewel]

ORAS didn't give purugly any dex entries there, so its not an official mon

[plucky bobcat]

What games were they? Cause you can't catch a Glameow in Platinum

[weak trellis]

compared to stunky which got gens 6, 8, and 9 as well

[inland jewel]

Pearl
Platinum (Transfered)
BDSP
Legends Arceus

[weak trellis]

ORAS's endgame is a mess in general lol. it's almost like they rolled the credits after you fought the primals and started the postgame early.

[plucky bobcat]

At least I can take an Eeveelution into the Elite Four Gauntlet Early

[weak trellis]

it's not a bad mess tho for what it's worth

[inland jewel]

but yeah, i counted the game if it had a new dex entry for the glameow line, which unfortuantely doesn't have one outside of a sinnoh-related game

[weak trellis]

leafeon sweeping glacia moment

[plucky bobcat]

Actually for me, I plan on making it a Glaceon sweeping Drake Moment.

[weak trellis]

I forgot what year I did the ORAS all eevees run but worked better than flareon at it since the opening glalie was pure physical lol

I think I used IB vaporeon on drake, I forget it's been a while.

[agile olive]

tropius is gen 3. I had a big dex poster for ruby and stared at it often lol

[weak trellis]

last time I used glace was swish where I ran max speed and outran leon's haxorus rofl

[silent acorn]

They say you find it at the 6th gym. Have I mentioned how everything after the 6th gym is the unforgiving part of that region, and tropius struggles a lot there

[inland jewel]

you get tropus just before you hit the ocean

which unforunately has wingulls and tentacruels which can hit him back just as hard, but once you dive you should be Good

[silent acorn]

Right.... Just before fighting tate and the other one. Winona with her hellish altaria, the elite four glacia and Steven. Emerald actually gives it a chance agaisnt the water champ

[plucky bobcat]

I had a Leafeon in Ultra Sun to counter Hau's Vaporeon, Espeon to make Team Rocket's Poison Types, Koga, Chuck and Bruno look like amateurs, Jolteon in White 2 to give my team Electric Coverage, Vaporeon and Flareon in Black 2 to complement Serperior, Umbreon and Sylveon as a pair for Y, and soon, it'll be Glaceon in Omega Ruby to complete the collection.

I really hope Gen X gives us another Eeveelution though, ideally either Poison or Ghost.

[pure flower]

instead of an eeveelution, what about a counterpart to eevee?

since Eevee covers half of the available types. Why not have another pokemon cover the other half?

[weak trellis]

gigantamax eevee 2: "now it lasts for more than 3 turns"

[inland jewel]

GenX Eevee which uses the same stones to evolve into the other types

[weak trellis]

oh another pokemon species lol I misread that

[inland jewel]

Paldean Eevee

[pure flower]

So for example, an elemental serpent

[plucky bobcat]

It only covers half of the available types counting Eevee itself, not as an Eeveelution

[weak trellis]

I know vega did somethin like that where the theme was animals that hatch from eggs for one of its postgame mons

[silent acorn]

An elemental frog sounds fun

Just go naturo frog style

[pure flower]

Not really sure if a frog could be super interesting

[plucky bobcat]

Maybe a sort of lynx or axelotl?

[pure flower]

Maybe a mix of an Axolotl and Lynx?

[plucky bobcat]

I feel like that could be it's own Pokemon and not an Eevee Counterpart

[pure flower]

Eevee's already a mix of a dog, cat and fox

...actually. A counterpart could probably be a mix of reptiles. So a bird, snake, etc

[drowsy drift]

interesting note about this: every eeveelution before sylveon was a type that was classified as Special type attacks before the gen4 phys/special split

water/electric/fire/psychic/dark/grass/ice - all special attack types pre-split

[plucky bobcat]

The only one of those Special types that hasn't gotten its Eeveelution yet is Dragon.

[drowsy drift]

yeah and a dragon type eeveelution would be really awesome to see. I think the idea of a separate species that covers all the physical pre-split types that isn't eevee would be really neat

[plucky bobcat]

I was thinking of some possible Eeveelution ideas, but the only somewhat fully thought-out one is for Ghost

I also thought of a Cursed Talisman Pokemon

[drowsy drift]

eevee being sort of like a fox and it being a ghost evolution makes it pretty easy to go with a kitsune-inspired design

[plucky bobcat]

Yeah I think I had a pinch of that in there.

[drowsy drift]

https://yokai.com/kiko/

When a kitsune gains the rank of kiko, it sheds its body and begins to live a spiritual existence.
boom, concept done

[fair jewel]

I wonder if we'll ever get regional variants?

[finite thistle]

Probably not, since a lot of them are used as the basis for Fusion designs.

[fair jewel]

That would simply mean those get alted or requested by the spriter to switch ids

[obtuse silo]

I could see it when alle the new mons are done

The propably have priority

[fair jewel]

Then again it seems unlikely because the majority of regional variants don't look much different from their regular versions, and frog might have the same stance as he does with Dusk Lycanroc

[pure flower]

Regional variants require new stats and data slots don't they?

[fair jewel]

Yea, they would

Which version started the regional variants trend again? Was it SunMoon?

[obtuse silo]

Yes

[finite thistle]

There are a couple of regional variants that could be justified for their unique elements

[fair jewel]

Rapidash for example lol

[finite thistle]

Rapidash is gen 8

[fair jewel]

Oh right... i forgot

Meowth and Exeggutor

[pure flower]

Ninetales is probably the poster child for regional variants

[finite thistle]

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of regional variants because in most cases I'd just prefer an evolution. Gen 7 did a great job of justifying the new forms individually by giving older Pokemon a new identity that isn't constantly overshadowed by another Pokemon. You could also use them to expand on the lore in a way that an evolution couldn't like with Alolan Marowak

[fair jewel]

It's prettier, but aside from color, appearance wise it's very similar

[pure flower]

Yeah. I just know Alolan ninetales is the very first Pokemon I always think of with regional variants

[fair jewel]

Same

[pure flower]

Second one is alolan raichu

[proud lion]

https://tenor.com/view/alola-pokemon-exeggutor-sunandmoon-sun-gif-5754323

[pure flower]

Which I believe shows up on the back-of-the-box art for sun and moon.

[fair jewel]

But why tho?

[proud lion]

long boi

[finite thistle]

Alolan Raichu is easily my favorite because there was no way it was ever getting a mega with how popular Pickachu is. A regional Variant was the only realistic option and they did a pretty good job

[fair jewel]

And thus Alolan Raichu was born... and immediately dumped becuz regular Raichu was better for some reason

[finite thistle]

Being Psychic in a game with buffed Knock Off is rough. That and Surge Surfer feels a bit win more

Still like it a lot more than the original, especially with its signature z-move for 100% paralysis chance

[fair jewel]

Actually... why is Raichu used more than Alolan Raichu? Moveset wise, they have access to similar kits like Fake Out, Nuzzle, Sing, etc. (Alolan Raichu didn't add anything useful) But in terms of stats, Alolan Raichu's are slightly more useful

[obtuse silo]

Pretty sure its better..at least in vgc

[fair jewel]

Is it because Psychic typing gave it more weaknesses?

[finite thistle]

Possibly, Raichu was never the most used Pokemon, so it's kind of hard to tell

[fair jewel]

Pretty sure regular Raichu was used far more in VGC, at least when i was playing in gen 8

[obtuse silo]

Alolan Raichu was used with for surge surfer

[fair jewel]

Raichu had lightning rod

[obtuse silo]

But i admittetly barely played gen 8 just followed a bit

[junior blaze]

Does raichu have psychic?

[fair jewel]

Raichu is a support in VGC, it doesn't use Psychic even if it had access to it

[junior blaze]

I'm good with names for the most part but i am horrendous with typings

[fair jewel]

Most common threats in VGC were resistant to psychic too.
Having thunderbolt works better too for dealing with the likes of Gyrados and Kyogre

[obtuse silo]

Most played competitive for me was gen 6

Maybe it was used in gen 7 i definitely remember seeing it more than raichu

[fair jewel]

Hmm... did FalseSwipeGaming's Raichu video cover gen 8?

Will have to watch it to find out, brb

[obtuse silo]

I like raichu more than pikachu

[fair jewel]

Wait, i don't think he covered Alolan Raichu at all

[cinder oasis]

He covers alolan forms and regional forms in the same vid

[fair jewel]

Ahh...

[finite thistle]

One of the earlier videos unfortunately, so it didn't get to gen 7

Mind you, they've made updates for some of them

[obtuse silo]

Imo regionals dont really help the original pokemon

[finite thistle]

They help it in the sense that its the original getting the love instead of a new Pokemon that just so happens to have a similar design

[obtuse silo]

Yeah but still not the original..and if the regional doesnt fill a different niche it just outshadows it or gets outshadowed by the original

[finite thistle]

That's true, its why I like standard evolutions over regional variants.

[obtuse silo]

The best way would be to just buff the pokemon

[finite thistle]

A lot of the Pokemon given regional variants in gen 9 either couldn't evolve or didn't have much room to evolve due to other Pokemon encroaching on their potential design improvements

I think evolution is still the best, as long as you can fit it within the existing mechanics, but it does really come down to how much of a stat boost is a reasonable expectation

[obtuse silo]

With an evolution you are still not helping the original mon..just putting a new one on top

[warm skiff]

didn't a lot of early cross gen evos get added to mons with design elements that could be added onto while also making the line far better?

[obtuse silo]

Early pokemon didnt have competitive play in mind.

Its also a matter of does the mon look finished or grown up

[warm skiff]

wait this is in context of competitive?

[obtuse silo]

I would say so

[warm skiff]

either way

why did they give duraladon an evo

[obtuse silo]

Idk ask game freak

[warm skiff]

there's already a perfectly good fucked up bell mon that needs an evo

it deserved better

[obtuse silo]

But also have fully evolved mons like pidgeot where you cant just slap a new evolution

[warm skiff]

buffs make sense but I do think they should just evolve certain mons at this point

semi-related: Dusknoir needs to be competitively viable LOOK AT IT

[obtuse silo]

I think from a design stand point a lot of the mons are fine as they are but just weak

[finite thistle]

I agree that Chimecho desperately needs an evolution, but Archaludon is still very cool

[obtuse silo]

Chimecho i would agree too

[warm skiff]

it's literally that one steel 4 bladed thing that holds things

I'm an object mon enjoyer but why

[finite thistle]

There's almost always more room for potential improvement on a current design. Mind you, I'm more of a concept and playstyle person myself, so as long as it improves the general idea I'm pretty happy

[obtuse silo]

I think something like fearow for example looks fully evolved but is trash

[warm skiff]

yeah some fully evolved mons do need buffs

[finite thistle]

It looks like a staple remover folded up, but I love that it unfolds into a bridge. It just looks really funny

[loud sorrel]

why doesnt fearow have a third evolution stage
pidgey gets three stages
why not spearow

[obtuse silo]

I wouldnt slap an evolution on it just give it a good ability, increase its movepool

[warm skiff]

im want to ask who at game freak decided to give duralidon an evo

it looks so janky like

it looks uncomfortable

[loud sorrel]

maybe they just had the design lying around and dint want to waste it lol

[obtuse silo]

They felt like without its gmax form it might look boring perhaps

[loud sorrel]

but yeah i dont think its a good design
the bridge part i like
but overall its not very good

[warm skiff]

they should have wasted it or at least redesigned it

[loud sorrel]

at least they shouldve emphasized the bridge part more
but yeah it feels like a scrappable design

[obtuse silo]

Would propably be funny for fusions

[warm skiff]

oh god fusions with it would be awful since its shape is unrecognizable and wonky

[loud sorrel]

a bridge in fusions huh
wonder if someone could recreate famous bridges like the golden gate bridge

[warm skiff]

I'm being such a hater over this thing but I am angry at some designs

[loud sorrel]

but yeah overall its design is just too wonky and unusable

[obtuse silo]

I mean palossand is in a sense just a building and it has cool fusions

[loud sorrel]

yeah but palossand isnt messy as all hell

[warm skiff]

palossand goes hard, it has a style and knows what it's going for

this thing has spine issues

[loud sorrel]

if it stayed in its bridge form and didnt stand upright itd be fine probably

[warm skiff]

bellibolt and this thing share my anger

[obtuse silo]

I think its usually on for legs

[loud sorrel]

the fact that it bends and gets up at all is terrible
it shoudve gotten another pass in the design phase

[obtuse silo]

I feel like that for a lot of newer mons lol

[loud sorrel]

ok so i dont think the majority of new mons are badly designed
but there are some notable bad ones
i have no idea whats up with glimmet/glimmora
flamigo is bland as hell
and we've gone over archaludon

[errant plinth]

I kinda like Flamigo?

[obtuse silo]

I think the dolphin is stupid

[loud sorrel]

idk something about it just screams blandness to me
despite the fact that its sorta in line woth most other bird pokemon
i have no idea why this one sticks out to me

[warm skiff]

paldean tauros

[errant plinth]

I raise geese, so I've watched them flare out their wings. Flamigo does a very similar thing when it spots you... so it sticks out in my mind that way.

[loud sorrel]

i think i know what youre talking about
that thing where its evolution is literally the same as its prevo but with a heart sticker on it is pretty lazy

[obtuse silo]

The new dlc legendaries look all terrible to me

[loud sorrel]

thematically it makes some sense
a secret hero blending into the crowd
but design wise it still feels lazy to me
and yeah the dlc legendaries are not great

[brisk vessel]

I love archaludon he's so dumb but also really broken

[obtuse silo]

The normal version is just a dolphin and the other one is just way too goofy

[loud sorrel]

i mean
i dont think its terrible
not amazing but not that bad

[brisk vessel]

Palafin is clever at least

[loud sorrel]

they take an already good pokemon like duraludon
and they give it a stronger evolution
why

[brisk vessel]

Because its funny and I wanna use Duraludon in Little Cup 😁

[obtuse silo]

I think the idea is stupid as well

But im generally a fan ove more animalistic looking pokemon

That look dangerous in the wild and could hurt you

[loud sorrel]

i get what theyre going for
a superhero in disguise that goes off to change into its superhero costume
and thats emulated by having it swap out to transform into a super powerful state
and honestly i think thats pretty cool
i kinda like unique pokemon gimmicks/playstyles

[brisk vessel]

Palafin is solid i just think they could have made the hero form look better

[loud sorrel]

true

[brisk vessel]

He looks a little awkward to me atm

[loud sorrel]

maybe if its face was more dolphin like? idk

[obtuse silo]

I get it too..though design and idea wise i just absolutely dont like it

[brisk vessel]

The regular form is fine since it's supposed to be just a regular dolphin
Its meant to look unassuming

[alpine rune]

is anyone here working on the nincada/sableye sprite?

[brisk vessel]

I just realized this is the new pokemon discussion channel so uh

I hope we get more humanoid mons 😁

[loud sorrel]

same
could make a bunch of cool centaur fusions

[alpine rune]

sprite managers be like:

[obtuse silo]

I hope we get more fire types

[loud sorrel]

i hear ice and fighting have the least amount of representation
so itd be nice to get more of those

[finite thistle]

I hope we get more mons with funky abilities. So glad Aurorus and Toxapex got in

[obtuse silo]

Fighting got a got amount and just recieved bewar, hawlucha ans i think something else

[loud sorrel]

think its just hawlucha and the bewear line

[brisk vessel]

Thats for like

Tsareena specifically

[finite thistle]

I'd love to see Lurantis get in. The design has a lot of potential when seperated from those pants

[loud sorrel]

id love lurantis too
and leavanny

[finite thistle]

Plus, Contrary on a Pokemon that can use it

I'm still really invested in Minior, but Meloetta and Lurantis would both be real fun

[loud sorrel]

i think a lot of people have been hoping for minior and meloetta
wish more people were hype for lurantis

[brisk vessel]

I've seen decent Lurantis support

Though ofc I would still be rooting for you know who

I just hope mythicals are allowed in the raffle

[placid fulcrum]

I was definitely hyped for lurantis, it is my second favorite pokemon

[loud sorrel]

mythicals would require more effort to implement
if theyre willing to do that then meloetta could make it in

[brisk vessel]

I am aware i just hope the raffle allows it

Since its a lot more exclusive so i feel there would be some winners who would want a mythical added

[finite thistle]

I like doing funky theme playthroughs of Pokemon, the one I do most often with main series Pokemon is compiling the worst Pokemon I can find and trying to beat the game with them. So there are a lot of unpopular Pokemon that I'd love to see get in just so I could improve whatever theme they're going for with fusion

[brisk vessel]

Unlike the regular spriter vote which was a lot more public, so it makes sense to exclude the special mons

[obtuse silo]

Like wachog

@brisk vessel arent you in the raffle?

[brisk vessel]

Contest winners only

[finite thistle]

Watchog has a pretty wide movepool, so it's pretty decent for early game. Unfortunately it doesn't really have much of an identity other than being a rodent. Gumshoos on the other hand, would be incredible. derpy design, plus 2 very powerful abilities would make it very interesting to use

[brisk vessel]

I don't know if I'd want Donald Trump in my game though

[obtuse silo]

He might build a wall

[loud sorrel]

i think people would want the more popular mons in game first instead of the early game mammals
just saying

[obtuse silo]

For mythical id go diancie

[loud sorrel]

either diancie or meloetta

[obtuse silo]

For legendary zygarde or hoopa unbound

[brisk vessel]

I would obviously prefer meloetta for mythicals but diancie aint a bad pick either

[finite thistle]

This is why I don't talk about this stuff much. I have a list of favorites that are reasonable, like Meloetta, Minior and the Cosmog line and I have the unreasonable picks that no one, but me wants like Cherrim, Burmy or Castform

[brisk vessel]

Hoopa is a mythical

[obtuse silo]

Oh then id pick him over diancie

[finite thistle]

Hoopa is a weird one for me because a lot of what makes Hoopa cool is the animations he gets and the way he's incorporated into gen 6's big lore reveals

Like, he's a cool Pokemon, but there's definitely some mythicals I want more than it. Meloetta and Shaymin

[brisk vessel]

I guess another reason i want melo is that we still don't have many fighting types

(And i am not a fan of Bewear or Hawlucha tbh)

[loud sorrel]

how does meloetta enter its fighting form again?

[brisk vessel]

Uses Relic Song

[finite thistle]

I'd love to give it more moves to abuse with Serene Grace. Girl really doesn't get much use out of it

[obtuse silo]

Just love the unbound form

[brisk vessel]

Its also the fastest serene grace user😁

Ho-Oh head Meloetta body

100 BP physical attack that always burns

Pirouette form has amazing stats for a body fusion

[finite thistle]

That would be fun

Entei would also work for that too since this is gen 7

[brisk vessel]

True i just thought Ho Oh works better due to his massive special defense

And the fact that they both have a really high attack stat

[finite thistle]

Since I used to play competitive, the first thing I go to for Serene Grace is flinching, but there are a few other applications, you just need a move with a 50% secondary effect

Honestly, even a 40% is pretty decent after it's doubled

[brisk vessel]

Volcarona

Fiery Dance

It becomes like Torch Song
+1 guaranteed every use

[obtuse silo]

Unpopular picks would be something like carnivine or gigalith

[brisk vessel]

I wouldn't mind Gigalith tbh

[finite thistle]

Gigalith is cool, would love to see Golem/Gigalith fusion

I do prefer Pokemon that add more mechanical variety from their movepools/abilities rather than their design elements. There are design elements that do have potential, but I generally just view them as a bonus.

In the long term, I'm pretty OK with almost any Pokemon getting in, the only exception being Alomomola

[fair jewel]

Gigalith feels like a different flavored Metagross now that i think about it

[raw bison]

There are few I'd resent, but quite a few I'd feel meh about. Most all of my strongest opinions got in, and what's left of my top choices are mostly personal darlings like salazzle and heliolisk, so I'll be fine personally.

Of everything that's been revealed so far I think...Sharpedo is the one that I felt the worst about. Shork is great and all but there are plenty of fish shaped water types out there. But even then it's a shrug and "eh I think we could have done better" not an angry resentment

[fair jewel]

They both have single eyed mini first evos
Then a mid evo with some extra limbs
Then a final evo with all 4 limbs

[finite thistle]

Necrozma annoys me, but even then. More Filter access and an ability Expert Belt is pretty crazy

[fair jewel]

Disagree, i would've been disappointed if Sharpedo had not made it in (didn't vote for it, but i knew many other users would've).
A shark material is something we didn't have, and so far fusions involving it have been immaculate

[raw bison]

Yeah, and that's fair. It's definitely got its uses, I just personally think it's not bringing as much as other winners are. Shork is good shork, just not convinced that Shork is valuable enough on its own merits.

[brisk vessel]

Honestly i would rather Alomomola over Luvdisc

Alomomola is atleast good competitively

Luvdisc is just useless period

[obtuse silo]

Idk why luvdisc didnt evolve to alomomola

They look like they belong together

[fair jewel]

I would rather neither bruh, they're both useless

[obtuse silo]

Kindoff though gigaliths body is taller. But in terms of head fusions i think the red crystals would be dope

[raw bison]

Biggest thing those two bring in is cutesy heart aesthetics and if thats what you want, at that point literally swoobat is a better choice than fishes

Sorry my autocorrect is a disaster

[cinder oasis]

Basculin

[lofty sequoia]

I would like torkoal

[obtuse silo]

Without evo?

[obtuse silo]

Saaame

[lofty sequoia]

for another pokemon with drought

Turtonator fusions would also be cool

[obtuse silo]

Or camerupt

[fair jewel]

That was the last position of the spriters' poll apparently
and it's especially useless since we already have Carvanha

[raw bison]

Pulled up my final tierlist before voting closed cause I wanted to member what the options were and ngl I forgot that I had scraggy and scrafty up in the three pointers but thinking about it, for what's left...? Yeah, I think they might actually be the overall best winner of the raffle imo. Dark and fighting type, punk aesthetic, and Lizer.

There's other mons I would personally want to use more but those little guys might just be bringing some of the most value across the full spectrum

...though looking through it technically I rated trevanent and cacturn below Sharpedo. Cacturn at least was a bonus mon, not a vote pick, and looking at rhe surrounding parts of that tier I did not really sort him fairly. At least a dozen spots ahead of him should be behind. Wouldn't change my vote scores at the time, but nonetheless

[drowsy drift]

still not sure how to feel about cacturne from a gameplay stance, but is nice to have needle arm available without heart scales

30% flinch chance with the option of being technician boosted. can't really go wrong

[clever atlas]

Lemme introduce you to: Bite

[drowsy drift]

let me put it another way, it's the only physical grass move with a bp of 60

[fair jewel]

Not a fan of cacturne from a fusion standpoint. It's just a cactus

[clever atlas]

True but why needle arm when Bullet seed exists

[drowsy drift]

bullet seed is also not very available in IF

best bet is to get it to breloom via egg move

[clever atlas]

Well i guess needle arm could have a niche

[drowsy drift]

cacturne also gets spiky shield naturally. huh.

[clever atlas]

Still not too hyped about cacturne from a gameplay perspective

Personally

[drowsy drift]

looking at is full gen7 movepool there's a lot to go with here I think. kind of like gamefreak really didn't know what to do with it so just gave it a bunch of obscure moves

[stone cliff]

As a Gen 3 stan I still think Maractus is the more interesting cactus

(I think Cacnea is #1 but I put more importance on final evos)

[lofty spindle]

Only thing Cacturne has over Maractus is being a two-stage.

[wanton coral]

I just want pokemon that introduce new abilities that otherwise aren't available

Like how tyrantrum introduced strong jaw to the game

[fair jewel]

Tsareena has Queenly Majesty

[wispy cobalt]

why doesnt vespiquen also get queenly majesty
what's that about

[pure flower]

Not really updated. Combee would require another ability

[sterile spoke]

Depending on how you look at it, Garchomp is a shark. 😛

[fair jewel]

Not really. It's not the 1st time an evolution has a different set of abilities
Combee can keep its current abilities, and Vespiquen can replace its HA from Unnerve to Queenly Majesty

[fair jewel]

Fair point. Although an argument that Sharpedo being an actual shark while Garchomp is a sand shark can be made

[sterile spoke]

Very true. I do think that Sharpedo was probably one of the best Water-types that could have been added. Carvanha is quite unique as well. 🙂

[fair jewel]

Better than Basculin lol

[sterile spoke]

100%. 😄

Though Basculegion would have been an excellent choice if it was available. 🙂

Tatsugiri would have been neat as well. 😃

[fair jewel]

If we could have gen 8 Pokemon, i want Hatterene... for no particular reason

[sterile spoke]

I'd have been asking Frogman for a veto on that line. 😛

Grimmsnarl would have been great, considering its typing consisting of two underrepresented types. 🙂

[fair jewel]

Dood is just an emo tangrowth

[sterile spoke]

It has some unique moves and the proportions are different. 😄

[fair jewel]

That's what an emo would say
It's not a phase mom!

[thorny ferry]

Falinks would be an interesting addition

[fair jewel]

I like Falinks
Not sure how well it would work as fusion material, but it would be interesting to see

But in terms of gameplay, No Retreat is such a good move. If you fuse Falinks with a ghost type, u can use it with NO drawbacks

[brisk vessel]

I'll need to pull up a hackmons battle to test if that works

[prime dust]

the head fusions might be lackluster...but body fusions

...

oh no; how dare we, if gen 8 were possible and falinks could be added; we ruined a chance for a perfectly good conga line of Ludicolo

quick someone that can code, get to work on figuring out the spaghetti of IF

[lofty spindle]

It's not mere spaghetti, but ravioli, lasanga and pizza code as well!

[woven maple]

Really hope the patch releases early in the weekend; I want to be able to spend the full two days on it

[woven maple]

Propoganda has no meaning any more I'm afraid; all the contest winners have submitted their picks for the raffle. We can now only hope for our faves.

[silent acorn]

WOLOLO you are now a support of Meloetta forever

[woven maple]

Meloetta is one of those mons where if it was revealed as a bonus pokemon halfway through I would've thought "cool, seems like we'll get some nice sprites" but if it's revealed as the raffle winner I'll just be kinda bummed out.

[sharp nebula]

everyone go vote for meloetta

[woven maple]

It's crazy how much different my reactions are for mons with objectively cool designs (that I nevertheless don't have any particular attachment to) are now from the beginning of the contest. Like Scolipede I was fairly hyped for, but Hawlucha came out and I sorta went eh.

[glass patio]

the vote is over

[sharp nebula]

make sure you vote for meloetta and no one else

[glass patio]

what part didnt you understand

[sharp nebula]

meloetta is the best pick! go vote

[glass patio]

…

im just gonna assume it’s sarcasm

[woven maple]

They don't mean vote Meloetta for the poll. They mean the next real life election you participate in, vote to get her into political office.

Liberia has a presidential election in 4 days. Sounds like prime Meloetta territory.

[clever atlas]

.

[glass patio]

so the update drops sunday right
along with the announcement of the raffle mon

i wonder what it’s gonna be

[prime dust]

seriously...

please delete that, it is not funny to joke about that kind of thing, ever

[glass patio]

hmmmmm

[woven maple]

Now that all the raffle picks have been submitted, I feel like it's worth mentioning how weird it was that everyone focused so hard on the Trev rush winner and none of the contest winners.

[glass patio]

meloetta for president ong

[lofty spindle]

I do hope Hawlucha did not cost us access to Flying Press afterall.

[lofty spindle]

I think it was some misinterpreted information about this.

[silent acorn]

Melosupre is coping hard I mean can't blame her, her main thing didn't get in, I'll probably react the same if Froslass didn't get in.

[silent acorn]

Its because they are good ol weirdos who don't write here often to not give anything away

[silent acorn]

If he pick everyone has asked for he would pick tropius which I applaud him for not doing. Also he has back ups set up anyway. Luvdisc has been asked for and requested so I pray he also didn't pick that

No one is asking for druddigon or drampa as much too.

[glass patio]

dammit can i go back in time and not ask for minior

[silent acorn]

Nope. That's what people get for pushing tropius all the time.

[cobalt nebula]

Where did you hear that?

[silent acorn]

Check my boi discoblob voting alomomola like a true Chad

[glass patio]

#announcements

[grave jolt]

oh god we're up to 45 new pokemon I just realized lmfao

11% of all pokemon in game will be coming from this batch

Not including alternate forms

[silent acorn]

Those are rookie numbers we can do better

Lets add spindus infinitus

[prime dust]

its not infinite spindas

[proud lion]

So will the raffle announcement be tomorrow or Sunday?

[grave jolt]

It's functionally infinite spindas 😔

[prime dust]

we don't know, we just know it will come after the updoot

[silent acorn]

Spinda is infinite the true infinite pokemon

I call BS that spinda is finite, I bet its so unstable anything you make with it it's effectively canon

[stiff storm]

raffle announcement?

[fallen loom]

then what's the point?

[proud lion]

Will they at least announce the Pokémon contenders before the update?

Like will we see the roster of mons that could potentially be chosen and give us time to guess who wins?

[glass patio]

?

wdym

[fallen loom]

like the top 10 most likely picks of mon getting in

[proud lion]

Or what the contestants have chosen to be in the raffle

[clever atlas]

Imagine if it was finneon

[proud lion]

Like one person voted Golisipod while another one votes Simipour.

And on the following day, we see the raffle winner

[silent acorn]

That would invite harassment towards the poor pickers

Its better they just do it all backstage and just give us the result.

That way we don't have Mismagius hunts

[prime dust]

i doubt it

[silent acorn]

hmmm I finally completed my Gen 4 chart

[white meadow]

are the yellow marked ones supposed to mean "i like this part but not the rest?"

[silent acorn]

Sorry I didn't have a way to clarify that.

So red is basically 0 Nope.
Yellow meh which is 1.
Green is nice which is 2.
And blue is hell yes 3.

White is basically we what already have.

I mostly made this one since gen 4 and 6 have very compact new pokemon. And 4 is one of the most complete ones.

Maybe it's me and nostalgia but I just love vespiquen so that's why its always that part.

Abomasnow actually fell a bit and I consider it about the same level of vanilluxe now

[white meadow]

ig

[silent acorn]

Yellow is where I am mostly conflicted since I know these mons tend to be popular but not for very good reasons.

[white meadow]

would do a chart but i already forgot what i voted for 🔥

[sullen elbow]

Same

[silent acorn]

That's fine, I mostly made this in case of a future mon vote.

[sullen elbow]

What does it mean if it is normal?

[silent acorn]

White is for already in. Yellow is kinda for normal. Like they aren't all that nice just kinda there.

Like I like glammeow but purugly does ruin it for me a bit. Even though it could be interesting

[quiet meteor]

I’m not gonna lie you might need a key for that chart

[sullen elbow]

I mean like chingling isn't colored

[silent acorn]

Like if you out purugly and liepard together purugly is yellow and liepard blue

[silent acorn]

True. It's mostly because I never know what to think of chimecho. I think chingling is kinda fine, but chimecho does make me conflicted

Yellow probably

[sullen elbow]

Chimeco evo when? 😔

[silent acorn]

Like I like the concept chingling was going for but like... Chimecho has always been meh to me. Like it's not as perky as say cacnea or toxapex

[ivory rune]

Adding Manaphy would be funny, if for no reason other than giving Tail Glow to a pokemon that absolutely should not have it

[sullen elbow]

Let's add volbeat so we can do that early game

[ivory rune]

an Ultra Necrozma/Manaphy fusion would have a base special attack of 145 and the ability to get +3 in a single turn

fair and balanced

[whole nimbus]

Fair, balanced and absolutely insane when also paired with its ability

[tame flax]

Thematically tho, necrozma should know tail glow

He can shine so bright he can burn the sky after all, the heavens in the japanese version

[sullen elbow]

Yeah, too bright too resemble the light of firefly

[white meadow]

xurkitree:

[white meadow]

tail where

not counting the ultra form

[sterile verge]

he doesnt even glow when he isnt ultra

[whole nimbus]

Okay counter point, where's manaphy's tail

[sterile verge]

on her head

[sterile spoke]

[whole nimbus]

That's not a tail though

By that logic, necrozma's entire body can glow, therefore tail glow makes sense

[sterile verge]

thats how they visualize it dont blame me

wooper can have ice punch and primape can have iron tail

[whole nimbus]

Exactly

[sullen elbow]

Guys its called firefly light in japanese

[whole nimbus]

And yet a sheep gets it

Along with whatever manaphy's supposed to be

[sharp nebula]

gets what, tail glow?

[sullen elbow]

No it doesn't

[sharp nebula]

only volbeat, manaphy and xurkitree get tail glow

[whole nimbus]

Wait Ampharos doesn't get it m

[sterile verge]

xukitree is a tree made of wires, that shit dont glow

[whole nimbus]

His head

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-pokemon-refresh-gif-24549445

[sharp nebula]

the white blobs glow

[whole nimbus]

Still not its tail but still. Wait I could've sworn Ampharos gets it at least as an egg move

[sharp nebula]

nope

[white meadow]

mewtwo has a tail he should totally get tail glow

[whole nimbus]

Okay that one is completely dumb

[sullen elbow]

You think that because people wont shut up about that and giving it to it in every fan game

[sullen elbow]

Including this one

[whole nimbus]

Eh maybe

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-make-this-worse-dont-make-it-worse-you-need-to-calm-down-please-stop-ron-swanson-gif-14694419

Mewtwo has become the omnimon of pokemon, it'll get so bad we'll end up withs loli like digimon did

Because yes it happened, because the other planet side of fans were sick of the "Holy Mon"

[mystic rivet]

Wooper gets ice punch with no hands so having the body part in question clearly doesn't mean a thing.

[silent acorn]

Oh it does have hands you just haven't seen them

[mystic rivet]

Realistically I'd assume it "punches" with it's tail.

[silent acorn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/comments/usiqqf/tadpoles_arms_develop_internally_and_then_bust/

Because yes it can do that.

[mystic rivet]

How closely does that relate to young axolotl? Cuz I'm like 90% sure that's what wooper is

[silent acorn]

Canonically if the animal a pokemon is based can do that, that means the pokemon can too. Consistency rule

Whooper is the only axolotl part of that line, Quagsire becomes a blobby amphibian

reminder that Kanto is a weird mix of Chinese and Japanese regions

[mystic rivet]

Axolotl can do that too. Sometimes they lose their gills and grow lungs.

Or something like that. Been a while since I read up on it.

[silent acorn]

Quagsire is the salamander one hahaha. Axolotls keep their little gill thingies even as adults

[mystic rivet]

Only learned that in the past few years. It's cool when pokemon take more inspiration that you realize.

[robust geyser]

Can't believe i missed Rockruff being added, he was one of my favorite haha

[silent acorn]

this is a young salamander, not an axolotl btw

Have I mentioned that if we had an axolotl pokemon it's been said that they are actually ultra delicate and basically glass?

[mystic rivet]

So an axolotl glass cannon

[silent acorn]

Question where did this whole "whooper is an axolotl" thing come from? Is there actually commentary by the devs or did people just choose to see it that way?

[mystic rivet]

I mean it's amphibious with things sticking out if it's head that resemble the external gills of an axolotl

Which I assume are actually gills, just never looked into it to confirm.

[silent acorn]

its actually a common thing among salamanders, the main difference with axolotl is that the axolotl basically doesn't get past is young stage, it stays like that like Peter pan.

[mystic rivet]

Yeah but axolotl are the ones that are actually known for it and more associated with it, which makes more sense as a design choice.

[mystic rivet]

But tbh it makes more sense now that you say it.

[prime dust]

yes, wooper is meant to be an axolotl

[mystic rivet]

So basically an axolotl becoming a salamander is just a normal salamander that's just a late bloomer lol.

[silent acorn]

That resembles, I don't know why they never quote the devs on it.

[mystic rivet]

Could just be that there's nothing to quote. It is just wikipedia after all.

[silent acorn]

Found this.

See the little gills are part of their life cycle. Since wooper evolves and loses their gills it's actually more nonsense that they are axolotl, since as I mentioned they don't grow more, they just stay as they are

Its just people making the axolotl pop culture and distorting how those creature usually work. The axolotl is more like an anomaly amongst them.

[stone cliff]

Iirc, Axolotl only lose their gills under large amounts of stress and insufficient habitat

Or something of that nature

[silent acorn]

Maybe but that's not part of their usual cycle. The axolotl normal one just stays like a Peter pan. Esque thingy

[stone cliff]

Oh yeah, wasn't disagreeing lol

[silent acorn]

"The axolotl's ability to fully regrow organs, even as it ages, could be partially due to its perpetual juvenile state. Axolotls, unlike most other amphibians, don't undergo metamorphosis naturally, which means they never technically reach adulthood, even though they can reproduce. This condition is called neoteny."

Here is like their actual process

Axolotls are basically the eternal youth animal but they aren't immortal or anything like that.

Here is what clodsire is based on.
Clodsire being part Poison type, accompanied by its ability to protrude spines from its body, are in reference to the Iberian ribbed newt, a species of newt known for being able to puncture its ribs through its skin and coat them with a layer of poison as a defense mechanism.

[stone cliff]

I looked it up, and yeah assuming their environment is ideal they will retain their aquatic state indefinitely

[silent acorn]

Actually you know the axolotl would be the best convergent pokemon because it effectively isn't a wooper or a variant but more like it's own completely own pokemon.

Could name it Luuper

Like it loops it's age and evolution, but never actually evolves

[silent acorn]

Don't tell me it wouldn't be an epic wooper idea

I mean if red floating digglet can be a convergent named Wugtrio don't tell me Luuper couldn't be possible or popular

[stone cliff]

I never said that, I just saw Luuper and that was the first thing I thought of lmao

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/einstein-smart-think-thinking-idea-gif-24618662

[buoyant herald]

Golisopod goat

Would love to sprite it

[silent acorn]

Just so you can get two lines I am gonna vote Volbeat that way you get two bug lines, happy?

[fallen loom]

eww, why

[silent acorn]

Because you want more bug lines, number man.

[stone cliff]

Nah we gotta go for pure numbers... Therefore wurmple line

Just looked at the top 10, shocked my boi Ludicolo was so high

[hollow creek]

update tomorrow?

[mystic rivet]

Hopefully. I have the weekend off. Would love to mess with some new fusions.

[cerulean wing]

Excited

[tardy flame]

either tomorrow or sunday, and I am very excited too

[potent venture]

big update weekend woohoo

[ivory rune]

oh wait thats this weekend?

[silent acorn]

Gotta go further... Beyond. Burmy line!

[ivory rune]

if we get another bug line I'd want it to either be Golisopod or Araquanid

[finite thistle]

I'd love to see Burmy get in. Too bad I'm the only one

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/only-you-you-pointing-its-you-just-you-gif-17182672

[clever atlas]

Golisopod, Araquanid or Vikavolt*

[silent acorn]

You got me at Golisopod, lost me at Araquanid and got me with Vikavolt

[clever atlas]

Emotional rollercoaster

[hushed mantle]

We need a fairy type (slurpuff)

[silent acorn]

I dunno I got me spooders enough

I got the Spooderman and the Speederman

[clever atlas]

I'm honestly flabbergasted noone ever talked about Vikavolt tho

[silent acorn]

Actually we did

[clever atlas]

We did?

[finite thistle]

Golisopod and Araquanid have a lot to bring to the table. I'd love to see them in, but I'd die of joy if Burmy got in by some miracle

[silent acorn]

seems Good enough

[coral solar]

I want the Vespiquen line pls kthx bye

[finite thistle]

Like my reaction to finding out that Pyukumuku was in the game, but tenfold

[silent acorn]

For some reason Araquanid is higher tho

[stone cliff]

This chat never was a good indicator of what was getting in. There was what, 50 or so people that talked in here regularly?

[white meadow]

The Rockruff line being added to the game is pretty sweet since we didn't have many good hyper-offensive Rock-types for fusions. Also, people like doggos, even if I think we might have too many now, lol.

I agree with the sentiments that we need more Fairy-types though. Sylveon and Clefable are the only really relevant ones for fusions. Gardevoir is extremely niche since its best stats are on its head, which gives Psychic-type, not Fairy. Mimikyu is in a similar boat: best stats are on the body, which gives Ghost.

[sterile spoke]

Which potentially isn't even 0.1% of the total number of people who made the votes. 😅

[stone cliff]

Iirc, the number hit 70k before closing?

[clever atlas]

Lycanroc isn't just a doggo

He's a wolfo

[finite thistle]

I do appreciate how chill this chat is. The playful ribbing is very prevailant and very entertaining

[sterile spoke]

I actually have no clue. 😂

[clever atlas]

We don't have any other wolves

[silent acorn]

Good wolfo. Screw whoever says it's generic I love it

[stone cliff]

Okay now I have to see Lycanroc + Dugtrio/Dodrio for the wolves howling at the moon meme

[silent acorn]

So happy I get to have this! The privilege of having faith hehehe

[sterile spoke]

One thing that's been great to see with these new Pokémon is that they provide so much new and fun opportunities for fusions. 😄

[silent acorn]

I need no more dogs, this is enough I am satisfied.

[sterile spoke]

Seeing new body types and colour schemes has been really fun. 🙂

[clever atlas]

Plus lycanroc is a speedy rock type, it was about time something destroyed Aerodactyl's monopoly

[silent acorn]

The dog.

I am thinking Lycanroc/Breloom tripping

Or maybe lycanroc/Xatu would work?

[white meadow]

Growlithe line - Chinese Lion Doggo
Vulpix Line - Yokai Fox, a Canine, aka doggo
Snubble Line - Domestic Doggo
Houndour Line - Hell Doggo
Smeargle - Bob Ross Doggo
Zorua Line - Yokai Fox Doggo #2
Rockruff Line - Domestic/Werewolf/Wolf Wolf Doggo

Probably more I'm forgetting but like 5% of the current dex is doggos, lol.

Oh Riolu Line, Mystic Doggo.

[silent acorn]

Snubble is like pugs, pitbull and Rottweilers all rolled into one fairy package

Have pitbull can confirm they are mischievous as hell

[white meadow]

A true mythological fae. Always trying to cause trouble for mortals.

[silent acorn]

Always, forever eternally

My thing with manetric is that it is the very specific breed of dog I don't like

[white meadow]

Manectric isn't in IF right?

[clever atlas]

My thing with manectric is that gameplay wise it's just different flavored jolteon

[clever atlas]

No

[white meadow]

Manectric is Jolteon if Jolteon was slower, didn't hit as hard, but got Fire-type coverage that doesn't do much over HP/Tera Blast Ice.

Mega gave it some identity over Jolteon with Intimidate and the higher stats, but then they took that away, lol.

[sullen elbow]

The electric type spread™

[potent venture]

@mossy parrot since the next update is this weekend are we getting a early spritepack for the new added mons in the game

[silent acorn]

That's not as useful since we can't bring in gen 8+ stuff, and megas are extinct

Hewo kiwi, welcome dearest fruit

[mossy parrot]

yis ill prep it tonight or tomorrow, whenever i have time

[drowsy elm]

Any confirmation when the update is dropping? As in like, what time this weekend

[mossy parrot]

itll be a temp sprite pack with just stuff from the gallery tho, not a full normal pack

[mossy parrot]

no idea, sorry, thats up to froggerton

[silent acorn]

If we go with dynamic it'll just get stuff from gallery right?

[white meadow]

Electric-types are either fast Sp. Attackers, or slow and bulky Physical Attackers with bad stats across the board (Luxray, Electivire).
Only Zeraora breaks this mold and it's stupid since it also got the only good physical Electric STAB in the game, lol.

[silent acorn]

They are mostly decent. Not too good not too bad

[white meadow]

Wild Charge is 90 BP with 1/3rd recoil. That's the best physical Electric-type move most Pokémon have.
Fire, Water, and Grass meanwhile all get 120 BP physical moves with 1/3rd recoil.

Pikachu has the only 120 BP 1/3rd recoil Electric move and everything else has to suffer because of it.

[silent acorn]

Hmm that's true

[white meadow]

Meanwhile Ground-types with their 100% accurate, no-recoil, 100 BP Earthquake.

And Zeraora with its 100% accurate, no-recoil, 100 BP move that also turns all Normal-type moves that turn into Electric-type moves (which synergizes its its ability to heal off electricity).

[silent acorn]

Huh that's pretty good actually

You would imagine they would have done that years ago

[robust folio]

I would like to request my baby a Spheal

[white meadow]

I'll only accept Spheal if it's given the title of Legendary.

[robust folio]

Mother spheal ruling a iceland or giant iceberg

[clever atlas]

I refuse to believe spheal's so smol, that hand gotta ve fecking massive

[white meadow]

Yeah average size of Spheal is 87 lbs.

That hand is huge.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/8v9WAeQvAKK2ZvREd2XYbysIEXI=/0x0:1488x1237/1200x800/filters:focal(625x500:863x738)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/71122181/4521329346830_13_L.0.jpg

[robust folio]

as i said its a baby spheal

[sage birch]

Why can't the weekend come sooner, I want to play with the new things

[clever atlas]

Bruh it's friday already

[sage birch]

I assume the update is on sunday, given the post was last sunday

[clever atlas]

We have no clue

All that was said was this weekend

[hollow creek]

froggerton

[silent acorn]

Froggo of The Fellowchip

[weak trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-shock-scared-surprise-fear-gif-24187334

[fallen loom]

This is frog
Kermit: 😮

[terse fable]

Round boi best boi

[prime dust]

silly/friend/ball

[high haven]

Please may luck be in my favor and get Seviper in, I just really want to see maboy in the game

[molten aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/rowlet-pokemon-spinning-gif-5462235

[hollow quest]

starters will likely come later

[edgy kernel]

Yea didn't they say early in the reveals that starters got an overwhelming vote or something and would potentially be added later?

[tardy flame]

yeah

[prime dust]

overwhelming is a mild understatement

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[inland jewel]

If they hadn't excluded the starters, the reveals would be
Gen 6-7 starters and then Tyrantrum line

[prime dust]

i assume the last mons would be legendaries

so it'd be, gen 6, 7 starters; necrozma and then whatever the next single stage legendary on the poll was

[obsidian inlet]

sorry you may have said it lots of times but does someone know when will be the next update and add the new pokes in the game?

[alpine rune]

within this week

[timber pawn]

New area with the new poke?

[tardy flame]

no new areas

the game is already near its map cap, the new mons are getting sprinkled into the existing zones as far as we know, necrozma might get a little area? but who knows

[south sluice]

What the hell is a map cap 😭

[prime dust]

the game engine has an upper limit of how many maps it can handle without borking

which I "think" is like 1,000

IF uses almost 800 already

note in this instance a "map" is any kind of transition between areas
i.e., each city is a map, each room is a map, is route is a map

short of culling unused areas, or them figuring out a way to make it so all rooms/buildings [or as many as possible] are a part of a single map per city...they can't really add more areas

likely the few they can add in are reserved for any new legendaries they add in

[violet current]

im excited to see how they go abt adding all the new stuff

i really hope most of them aren't postgame

[prime dust]

i think frog said a nice chunk of them are pre E4

[violet current]

makes me v happy

im excited to see what the final pick is, i have no more must haves after rockruff

[tardy flame]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

that link is about the new mons btw, almost all of them are pre e4 except the legendaries, dhelmise and mareanie

[violet current]

tf is dhelmise postgame for lol

glad the rest are pre-e4 tho

[tardy flame]

its probably underwater

and mareanie is relacing the mareanie doll to make corsola run so its sevii isles

[violet current]

i rly hope the last is lilligant

[tardy flame]

I would like that too but at this point I think it could just be anything

I'd be fine if it was lilligant or maractus or somethin but if they tell me its luvdisc or that horrible acid trip teeth fish I'll just shrug and feel like the roulette was unlucky for me that day

[plush inlet]

I really really hope it's Victini...

[silent acorn]

Mareanie is post game? How so

[tardy flame]

because she replaces the doll now. So in order to not sequence break you have to get it in the interior of the sevii isles

[silent acorn]

What doll?

[tardy flame]

the mareanie doll that you scare the corsola blocks away with

[silent acorn]

Aaaaah

[tardy flame]

in the postgame

[silent acorn]

Makes sense

[timber pawn]

Hoo.. Nice info.. Thanks

[silent acorn]

There isn't an upper limit on setting up encounters is there?

[tardy flame]

that I don't know

[prime dust]

that might be tweakable

[high haven]

I swear if you said that because I said I wanted Seviper I am going to flip my lid.

[sage fjord]

Why are the lycanrocs having separate dex entries?

[high haven]

Because they're seperate pokemon

[sage fjord]

....but even the games count the Lycanrocs as the same pokemon, just different forms

[hollow quest]

no, it's because a rowlet gif was sent

[high haven]

Counterpoint: can you revert a midnight form into a midday form?

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-pokemon-refresh-gif-24549445

[high haven]

Okay, because I have seen so many people mix up Serperior and Seviper starting with Kiwi/Blaquaza

[prime dust]

i don't think you can, they are likely considered different evo lines

[sage fjord]

Counter Counterpoint: Regional Variants still count as the same pokemon with the same dex number

[prime dust]

no they don't

[sage fjord]

They do...

[prime dust]

because regionals don't exist; they are sprite alts at best

[sage fjord]

...I was giving a maingame example

[prime dust]

this isn't about the main game, its about IF

[pure flower]

Hisuian Goodra counts as the same dex as regular Goodra, letting you use Hisuian Goodra way before stuff like basculegion in competitive Paldea rule sets

[sage fjord]

I was questioning why the Lycanrocs don't have the same dex number like in the normal games.

[pure flower]

er I just pinged the wrong person

But yeah. In the case of IF, I think it's just because of the whole fusion system

[sage fjord]

Eh, I'll take that as an answer, I guess. Just weird to me

[pure flower]

Basically. The way fusions work is they call upon a dex number to know what stats and types to reference

All of the oriocorio forms have different dex numbers for example

Necrozma is the only pokemon with a special exception. And will likely be the most buggy in-game

[prime dust]

we'll find out

clearly they got it functional the way they planned

[high haven]

Nidoran ♂️ & Nidoran ♀️

Anyway, to the raffle winner

[meager trail]

Christmas tree 🎄

[sage fjord]

...That's different as their evolutions have clearly different names, and even their starting points are different pokemon why All lycanrocs have the same name

[high haven]

Point is they're different evolutions dependent on the day

[inland jewel]

Probably gonna be stone evo a in this game

[sage fjord]

But have the same name and are counted as the same pokemon in the pokedex.

[sage fjord]

...There is a time system in the game though

[inland jewel]

And Pokémon in the game who use time to evolve we’re given stone evo

[high haven]

Dude just drop it at this point, does it even matter?

[prime dust]

nah sin, clearly espeon and umbreon are the same pokemon

[inland jewel]

In this game there is prior precedent where the same Pokémon got different pokedex slots (Oricorio)

Again this has to do with how the fusion system works.

[tranquil path]

Dont think so

No form changes were a thing up until oricorio. Even things like rotom cant form change in current patch

[prime dust]

Ori was the precedent for form variation

without that Necroz and Lycanroc wouldn't likely have been added

[high haven]

Mostly because it has the most

As well as no base form oricorio

[prime dust]

we "may" get other form variation into the game, now how that will effect mons already in the game is questionable

the only one that might not get touched is Aegislash

though if it does it'll get the Necrozma treatment

[inland jewel]

People aren’t gonna go back and make two aegislash sprites

I mean some might but not all.

[tranquil path]

Id be fine if the retroactive forms were added but all fused the same

[steel bramble]

Hey y'all. Did I hear the update is coming out Thanksgiving weekend?

[tranquil path]

The last announcement said this weekend but no word beyond that. Maybe this sunday?

[mystic rivet]

Hoping like noon tomorrow since that's about when I wake up on my days off

[sage fjord]

I literally was done eariler when someone mentioned it was because of the fusion thing for the separate entries. But someone brought the topic back up

[inland jewel]

Frogman’s latest message suggest otherwise

[long sierra]

Oh? The new guys live yet?

[inland jewel]

No, but it suggests it releases Saturday

[long sierra]

Oh damn , then I guess I'll be doing a brand new playthrough then

Just how many base mons are we getting

[prime dust]

45

not factoring in the winner's raffle mon/line

[inland jewel]

Winners raffle could be in, it could be added later

It’s just not revealed yet

[long sierra]

Neat I see we are getting necrosma and rosearade at the very least

[mystic rivet]

Sableye is my starter for sure, idk if I wanna just go with whatever else to fuse it with, or specifically one of the other added 45

[inland jewel]

Rose ease is already in the game though

[long sierra]

Wait it is- damn shows how much I missed

[outer matrix]

The raffle winner may be revealed on Saturday with/before the update?

That's my guess

[mystic rivet]

I like the idea of it being added but we need to discover it ourselves in-game

Though it's as easy as checking the custombattlers folder lol

[outer matrix]

And also via the use of custom starter runs?

[mystic rivet]

Also that

[orchid vault]

I'm assuming there will be a list of which mon is found on which route somewhere (exept maybe for special cases that come with a secret thing or spoiler like the regis or nekrosma)

[outer matrix]

Some people will most likely find that if they start a new playthrough, as it seems like most people will make new playthroughs when the update drops

[feral bear]

Sableye will be in mt moon

Thats all i know

[mystic rivet]

Do you know that or just guessing?

[feral bear]

No it was said here a few weeks ago

[tranquil path]

Must of missed that but goes hard if true

[mystic rivet]

Not sure why I'm questioning it, I do randomizers so it doesn't even apply to me.

[stone cliff]

Apparently he said "in like two days" yesterday

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[woven maple]

No new mons today 🙁

[ebon glacier]

tmr

[woven maple]

On a side note, looking through if.daena.me at the completion progress for some of the new mons, and boy do the Oricorio forms not have much.

[glossy osprey]

I'll fix the issue by making an oricorio guzzlord

[tardy flame]

also I believe that site is based off of the last sprite pack which only has sprites released last month, the actual update will come with a sprite refresh that has everything finalized in the meantime which will help

though likely not every new mon is going to have a wealth of options for awhile yeah

[woven maple]

True, but it's still funny how of the 6 least completed mons, 4 are Oricorio forms and the 2 others are the Trubbish line.

[finite thistle]

I can't wait to fuse Garbodor with Muk to make the purest of trash

[tardy flame]

the most vile thought just raced through my brain but I'm not gonna share it so the mods don't slap me into oblivion

[woven maple]

Funny enough, that is one of the few Garbador fusions for which there is a custom sprite regardless of the order you fuse them

[finite thistle]

Nice

[tranquil path]

Frogchamp

[junior gull]

Quick question, does anyone know what new Pokémon are 461 and 462?

[prime dust]

nope, we are clueless...shame there isn't a pin for the information /s

[rotund moth]

Welp....no Zygard this update

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-zygard-terminal-montage-gif-21325688

[alpine rune]

[rotund moth]

https://tenor.com/view/shroomish-pokemon-gif-18138792

[hidden relic]

Raffle Winner will not be in the update.

[alpine rune]

whaaaaa

[hidden relic]

There'll be another update later where it gets added

[drowsy elm]

is the update saturday?

[hidden relic]

IDK the exact time nor day

[outer matrix]

Just so that it wouldn't be spoiled, right?

[pure flower]

It's so the main update doesn't get delayed further ig

[hidden relic]

what wouldn't be spoiled, the raffle mon?

[pure flower]

so bug fixes can be begun sooner if neccessary once everyone gets ahold of the latest build

at least, that's my guess at it.

[hidden relic]

We haven't even rolled for it yet, it's just straight up not in this update, alongside a couple other things yet to happen

[outer matrix]

I mean, people would try to look into the custombattlers folder or try to start a custom starter run to see what the raffle Pokémon was

[alpine rune]

so youre telling me meloetta and zygarde still has a chance?

[hidden relic]

No, I am not

That's up to you to find out later.

[alpine rune]

[hidden relic]

We literally don't even know what the raffle mon is yet, there would be nothing in that folder for it

[outer matrix]

Yeah that makes sense

[pure flower]

The only pokemon I really know is like high chance of getting implemented as the next batch would probably be the starters

But mostly since they were overwhelmingly wanted

[finite thistle]

What happened when we got no Z version

[smoky fractal]

I still say, for starters, you could just grab Froakie and Rowlet and throw on Tepig to make a short set

[finite thistle]

I'd be very surprised if we went another wave without Cosmog

[pure flower]

People would be pretty unhappy about that, Deoxy

[smoky fractal]

Fair, I just feel like for the Greninja fanatics and the worshippers of Lord Rowlet it would be satisfactory for a time

Although I am biased. I am both

[pure flower]

Delphox, Serperior, Prismarina, Incineroar(surprisingly), Chesnaught...

...well. I want Samurott personally.

[smoky fractal]

Another fair choice

[finite thistle]

Emboar would be so much fun. I need to rush recklessly into things

[pure flower]

Though I'd probably see about getting a new "Azura" for IF.

[finite thistle]

also, the stats and typing are great for Cucumber fusion

[pure flower]

Azura is the nickname I usually do for my Samurotts, going out of my way for it

[smoky fractal]

More than anything I want a Zygarde/Ultra Necrozma fusion

It would be so sick

[pure flower]

That sounds so entirely broken

like functionally, not balance wise or anything.

[finite thistle]

Ultra Necrozma is just broken in a bottle

[pure flower]

Having more than one sprite change during a fight could be pretty messy.

[smoky fractal]

Actually, I don’t know who all are spriters, but I have a Tears of the Kingdom sprite idea that I really want them to make

I have requested it so hopefully someone takes it up

Ultra Necrozma/Gardevoir
If you know, you know.

Better and less spoiler heavy would be Ultra Necrozma/Rayquaza

Ultra Necrozma has so many possibilities

Anyways, I’m gonna make more shiny Rayquaza fusions.

Goodnight!

[orchid vault]

personally I'd just add the starters in batches per generation

[mystic rivet]

hopefully they also come with new triples

[prime dust]

they likely will

[worthy peak]

PLEASE JUST ADD MINIOR

IM BEGGING

[alpine rune]

5 stages 11 types of grief in #pif-hoenn-discussion

• Denial
• Anger
• Bargaining
• Depression
• Acceptance
• Blackmail
• Corruption
• Homocide
• War
• Occultism
• Submission

[woven maple]

If we all get in a circle and do a little dance do you think Frogman will add Abomasnow?

[jolly elbow]

For Lycanrock, why isn't the Dusk form included?

[fair jewel]

It's been pinned

[prime dust]

you forgot anger, complaining, anger, begging, anger, hate, anger and...oh yeah, anger

[lofty spindle]

I think... I'm bargaining?

[clever atlas]

Im none of these currently, im content now that my wolfo baby is in

Maybe I'm depression tho tbh, but that's not caused by this server

[lofty spindle]

That's acceptance. :P

[clever atlas]

Now I'd be fine with almost anything getting in
Keyword almost
I still don't want most of the pikaclones nor brux

Even the monkeys i'd be mostly fine with

[fathom anvil]

what did i just walk into

[clever atlas]

Good question

I honestly don't know

[fathom anvil]

Anata o atode tsukamaeru

[clever atlas]

English please?

[fathom anvil]

translate it

catch you later

thats what it means

does anyone know any good pokemon games on windows only?

[clever atlas]

Wrong channel for that
#other-pokemon-games

[fathom anvil]

sry

[hollow dust]

tsukamaeru means "catch" like you would an animal you're hunting. anata can be a general "you", but can also be an affectionate way for a wife to refer to her husband.

you basically said "capture you later, darling"

[clever atlas]

Fitting for a pokemon server

[leaden flax]

Yeah, it's not something they say in this particular context, I think