pif-hoenn-discussion

[rocky condor]

ahh. So wait, im confused now. It'll be a raffle pick, and it's gonna be chosen after the update? So when's that mon gonna be added? Is it just gonna be patched in as a mini update? Or is it gonna be added in later down the line?

[tardy flame]

I don't think we know for certain yet

[prime dust]

we don't know when the raffle pick will happen; we do know it will come after the update [hypnotoad said so] as to how it will be added in...i have no idea

[mystic rivet]

Was there a reason the trev rush winner never got to choose anything? Like complications or they just went silent?

[prime dust]

...

that was never the plan for them to get to pick something

the trev rush winner got their name added to the winners raffle

[mystic rivet]

Oh ok

Thought that was a bonus thing after the fact.

[prime dust]

the winners raffle is just the winners of contests that were done for the new mon reveals; whoever out of that that gets chosen gets to add something

[mystic rivet]

How many events did we even have?

[prime dust]

a lot. i lost track honestly

[mystic rivet]

I just never looked into them since I knew I wouldn't participate.

I'm curious if we'll get told who gets to pick the final mon, or just what that final choice is. If we get to know who gets to pick, we might be able too look back and get an idea of what they might want.

[prime dust]

i think there is a plan to announce the winner of the raffle and what their choice will be; from what i have heard off hand, each person in the raffle makes a list of pokemon they want in; their "top pick" and then some back ups just in case

[silent acorn]

I had to manually patch it, there is a ready to go one for BW2, I had to patch mine for BW normal, I recommend The Unova Dex Complete Edition hack to allow you to get all mons in game regardless of version, except victini. That one is just complicated

They have Megamoemon Firered which has received quite frankly an absurb amount of updates, they have megas and some mons from Gen 6.

[tardy flame]

yeah but I am really sick and tired of seeing firered

[warm prism]

looks up Mega Moemon
Oh, it's just Pokemon Gijinka

[tardy flame]

its cute

[warm prism]

Defs cute. But I'm a furry. Original Pokemon forms are cuter to me.

I mean, my pfp character started out as a Honchkrow before becoming a Rito x3

[cinder oasis]

Well sure, they work in a regular run pretty well but they're not that great, there's many who are way better who aren't that good in competitive

[tardy flame]

I think some original pokes are, but moemon helps a ton of random background mons that aren't very cute

[warm prism]

True true, different strokes for different folks as the saying goes

[tardy flame]

and this is just to tide me over till the fusion update

[warm prism]

Meanwhile I'm sinking into a brand new addiction for FFXIV to tide me over for...... ever, it seems

[tardy flame]

haha, I've been playing since heavensward, I am an avid modder myself

[warm prism]

I haven't modded yet. A friend is gonna guide me through some cosmetic stuff later

[tardy flame]

it is very fun and I've enjoyed making my girl unique but this is about as off topic as off topic can get, hehe

[silent acorn]

Well IF doesn't have competitive now does it

[mental plinth]

Used to

[silent acorn]

Vanilluxe is... Boy I love that one

[silent acorn]

Ok tell me now. Enlighten me. Cuz I won't touch it. Not my cup of tea

[mental plinth]

Used ro have a showdown server now it’s gone

[silent acorn]

Yay

I mean If is a fun playground for insanity and creativity, you can make the worst of mons into beautiful beasts of mayhem just look at Unown never has that mon been a happier abomination

[restive arrow]

Ngl the IF showdown kinda sucked
It was all suggestion-based, with most of the final additions being "meta-builder" decided

OU was overrun with bulky legendaries fused with aegislash, extreme speed abusers, speed boost sweepers, etc

[silent acorn]

"Meta Succ"

[restive arrow]

Yeah i mean it kinda sucks when half of the mons in OU are just kyogre or lugia fusions, being stronger than most Ubers in normal showdown
And the lower tiers were almost never played since only like 6 or 7 people were on at once max

[silent acorn]

Don't cha love people? How they can't freaking have fun without counting KPM as if this was Call of Duty?

[restive arrow]

I have no idea what kpm is

[silent acorn]

Kill per minute

[restive arrow]

Ah
I see

[silent acorn]

I am gonna say you tell me about races or nuzlocke with others and yeah those are fun and competitive probably make it even more fun, but PVP? Nah man I am good.

[tardy flame]

I switched to fire red despite what I said earlier. Also they gave spearow a leather jacket

[silent acorn]

Hahahaha yeah some Sprites are just hilarious, you should see what they did to stuff like Digglet

[tardy flame]

Oh I will later I had to take an aside to capture a ralts, its a requirement

[silent acorn]

Of course it is, I picked a bidoof at the start cuz it had moody freaking great

[tardy flame]

a doof

[silent acorn]

Pretty adorable doofus

Called it Bidolar for full effect, extra points if you catch the reference

[tardy flame]

this surskit in the forest is beating me the heck up

[silent acorn]

Its fun like that

[tardy flame]

it has aqua jet and it keeps critting

[silent acorn]

Gonna tell you Linoone gets one hell of a glow up in it

Personal favorite for me has to be Scorupi, just nice balance overall

[tardy flame]

I have the encounters.txt open and will be getting the cool mons from each area or at least looking at the rare ones

[silent acorn]

Good luck! Good hunting!

[brisk vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1066642440968212570/1171249874554077184/rock-smash.mp4

[edgy kernel]

YEEEEEEEEEET

[cinder oasis]

You were comparing both of their stats and I said both are bad

[viscid mica]

is there still one more line to be announced?

[pure flower]

Yes.

[daring bane]

I hope it's Zeraora

[pure flower]

Even if it's not there's always a future chance

[humble cradle]

I just hope it's not a legendary. I love fusions that can evolve 💙

[clever atlas]

laughs in cosmog

[slate gazelle]

I’m hoping for him

[clever atlas]

I got my favorite in a few days back (FINALLY!!!) so Now I'd be ok with almost anything

[stone cliff]

Kinda hoping we get Ludicolo for the fancy hats

[clever atlas]

Ludicolo would be meh personally, im not a massive fan

Plus Lombre is freaking fugly

I know that's kinda the point considering the kappa inspiration but still mans hideous

[stone cliff]

I concede on Lombre but I love Ludicolo

Mostly I just wanna see fancy hats based on other mons, and mons with sombreros

[clever atlas]

Reasonable

[stone cliff]

Clawitzer/Claydol are the other ones I'm hoping for, but I already got a ton of my top picks so I honestly don't care much either way lol

Altaria and Tyrantrum were two of my top 5, and almost all of the rest were A tier to me

Honorable mention to my boi Minior

I don't think he'll get in but I do love him lol

[clever atlas]

Yeah clawitzer would be very cash money

[leaden flax]

I'm happy enough that we're getting Fighting types, so personally I'll be fine with whatever

[clever atlas]

Finally mega Launcher could boost stab moves that aren't shit

[clever atlas]

Speaking of Fighting types, that's the one most underrepresented type in the game now

So we need more

[leaden flax]

Yeah, found that out recently

Clawitzer sounds pretty dope though

[golden acorn]

I think Medicham would be good pick. Pure Power + fighting moves would be pretty awesome

[leaden flax]

I was so surprised when I saw it wasn't in

[drowsy drift]

medicham or hariyama is the way to go

[leaden flax]

Hariyama too

[merry shale]

Do we already have starter Pokemon from all 8 regions so far?
If not the may I suggest Kalos starters and some other Kalos Pokemon to commemorate the 10th anniversary of Pokemon X and Y...?

[white meadow]

First it would only be all 7
Second we didnt get starters yet
Third your reason is nice tho

[clever atlas]

Right now there's only gens 1-4, gens 5-7 May come in the future, gens 8 and 9 ain't ever gonna happen

[prime dust]

^ this

[prime dust]

ah but we have huge power azumaril

[civic harness]

Hello there

[woven maple]

I know the contest winners/trevenant rush raffle pickers are being told not to say what their pick was, but I do kinda want to hear the odds for each line assuming it hasn't been picked yet.

[alpine rune]

*laughs

[tame flax]

Bro the region count ain't even right

[golden acorn]

Yes, but more options would still be nice. Azumarill does lock you into either water or Fairy type. Medicham would also add fighting and psychic as types for huge/pure power fusions

Also Medicham has a pretty nice movepool. So it would be a solid fusion partner and offer more fighting type options.

[stone cliff]

I feel like despite Medicham's design being... Kinda ugly, the fusions with it could be pretty cool. It's a fairly unique body shape.

[daring burrow]

why not choose stufful?

or jangmo-o line

[agile olive]

apparently jangmo-o was vetoed because we have too many dragons 😦

[golden acorn]

Exactly. It does offer some unique Elements for fusions. Like the Yoga aesthetic and it's rather slim figure for a fighting type.

[agile olive]

so would be nice if a winner picked it

[stone cliff]

#announcements message

[lofty spindle]

Maybe I do not have full context, but Stufful is already in the game?

[daring burrow]

oh didnt see the bear

[grave jolt]

we all know the best pokemon

[prime dust]

not yet he aint

[alpine rune]

me waiting for update to make another modern mode run

Im most excited in making ice teams ngl

Is slush rush a gen 7 ability or

well frick

[grave jolt]

me waiting for update to NG+

[sterile spoke]

It's a very phallic body shape. 😂

[sterile spoke]

Yes. 🙂

[alpine rune]

I never imagined it up until now.

How to make myself forget that fact?

[grave jolt]

Feels bad man

[sterile spoke]

You can't, sadly. 😢

Combusken is the same way. 😦

[grave jolt]

My hail team was also wrecked by Walrein not getting in.

[alpine rune]

I had a hail team on my previous runs

i would change articuno one with aurorus specifically

[grave jolt]

love mah boi quagsire

[alpine rune]

idk what else tho, probably glaceon/frosslass

[grave jolt]

an unfused Quag was my only non-fainted pokemon when I finally beat my rival lmao

[stone cliff]

So what I'm hearing is we need a Combusken/Medicham fusion

[orchid flare]

@grave jolt Quagsire/Torterra was my guy, refused to die.

[glass patio]

add to the game

[crude vortex]

i always saw medicham as having boob legs more than being phallic shaped lmao

[mystic rivet]

Didn't even notice combusken until it was pointed out to me.

[vernal wadi]

why if i may know the reason?

[clever atlas]

The game engine can't support stuff above gen 7 or something like that

[lofty spindle]

Hopefully still with access to Flying Press.

[vernal wadi]

ok(?)

not like they need it tho. up to gen 6 is still a lot of pokemon

[clever atlas]

Yeah i don't remember exactly

[ivory rune]

they technically could, but they needed to draw the line somewhere since there's already so many pokemon up through gen 7 that haven't been added yet

from what I understand every new pokemon puts more stress on the already strained engine than the last which is why they've made it clear they'll never be able to add every single pokemon

[brisk vessel]

Thats not an issue anymore

The issue this time is that it puts too much stress on the spriters because adding every pokemon up until Gen 7 would mean like 100s of new pokemon with new fusions that all need sprites

So they cant add it all at once, or the spriters wont have time to make sprites for each one

[lofty spindle]

Also not right, this game was simply made on an old version of Pokémon Essentials and updating the modified version used is close to impossible.

[inland jewel]

not even, the issue is that the base that Frogman has used to make the game, Essentials 18, got major coding/file overhauls in Essentials 19 and 21.

[brisk vessel]

This is about the gens 1-7 pokemon though

[inland jewel]

the changes that Frogman made to E18 gets severely messed up the game when updating to E19.

so much so that nothing works

E19 introduces gen 8,

[brisk vessel]

Its about why we cant just add every mon up to gen 7
Not why we cant add gen 8 or 9

[inland jewel]

they're saying we don't need gen 8-9 stuff since we already have a lot of options for pokemon if its just up to gen 7

[white meadow]

hey that's not untrue

[inland jewel]

also sprites not having customs has nothing to do with adding pokemon to the game.

In the past, Frogman just added pokemon without giving anyone a heads up, so people were already scrambling to make sprites.

Heck even now some fusions don't even have 200 sprites in their own

[brisk vessel]

This is literally about why we cant just add every pokemon up to gen 7 all at once

[inland jewel]

no, its beacuse Frogman isn't paid to sit down and add pokemon to the game, its simple as that.

Its time on his coding

Not time on spriter's making sprites

[white meadow]

what if he starts getting paid

[inland jewel]

Nintendo

[ivory rune]

then he'll get a Cease And Decist from nintendo

[white meadow]

ye ik that

[ivory rune]

that means the game will have to immediately stop development, permanently

[white meadow]

better idea, let's just buy nintendo and then hire frog 👍

[ivory rune]

the only reason games like Uranium are still getting updated is because an entirely separate dev team picked up where the original devs left off after Nintendo shut them down

[cedar merlin]

I meach technically, if frogman made a patreon and didn't link it to the game, or even better a Kofi, they might be able to escape Nintendo wrath. I'm not a lawyer tho so take that w a grain of salt haha

But yeah I feel like it's so wild that people are complaining about not getting more right st this very second. This is already a completely free game with hundreds of thousands of characters to play with and literally endless replayability. Even if your fav doesn't get in, there's thousands of other pixels for u to pick from lol

[ivory rune]

There are 97,000 custom fusion sprites, there’s plenty to go around

And if there’s one you want that doesnt exist yet, there’s nothing stopping you from making it yourself

[mystic rivet]

Still hoping to get a live count of how many unique customs we need that gets updated every month.

[woven maple]

Gimme a sec

[silent acorn]

Nah I can tell you as lawyer the devil is in the details, you can always end up making the links between the persons personal stuff and the patreon

Unless the patreon content were completely unrelated, still Nintendo would get on the move seeing that the game is earning funding from somewhere

Devil is in the details, as parody work is about one of the only safe way to portray these kind of things

And... Unfortunately you got YouTubers covering some of this stuff. Even a spanish guy I watched a few times. Exposure is not always a good idea

[sterile spoke]

No, the reason is that the version of Essentials that IF uses isn't updated to Gen VIII, as only the newest versions have them. Gen IX support is currently entirely unofficial. Because of them being unofficial and still updated, Frogman would have a bunch of extra bits of code to maintain, which is impractical at best. 😦

[woven maple]

So my code so far only runs to check fusions of the first 420 and not any of the new ones, but for those there are currently 72817/176400 done in everything up to and including the September 2023 pack.

This is the completion graph for those first 420. Every 2x2 square that is green is a fusion with a custom sprite, and every white one is one without, with the head plotted on the x-axis and the body on the y-axis (so Bulbasaur/Stunfisk would be in the top right).

[sterile verge]

It looks like my old computer when I tried to boot up a video game of any kind

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-waiting-buffer-gif-14229470

[final spire]

im starting to think seedot didnt win

[sterile verge]

Lycanroc getting in instead of minior made me sad

[white meadow]

Rockruff and Lycanroc fans when it gets in IF:
Lycanroc dusk form fans when it gets cut:

[silent acorn]

It might... In the raffle... If anybody picks it.

[silent acorn]

Consolation prize you get my vote for minior next time

[dry cradle]

Minior on top fr

[white meadow]

Midnight and day forms got in, but dusk is being excluded

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nope-nah-no-way-please-no-gif-16328372

Abort the convo. Abort the convo!

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pachirisu-dance-dancing-happy-gif-4996678

[silent acorn]

I need me like a real solid analysis to be convinced pachirisu is worth it.

[white meadow]

that’s the best sinnoh pikachu clone that should be in IF

[white meadow]

ngl Eclipse form would have been a better name cuz its Moon and sun

[silent acorn]

"The best sinnoh pikachu clone"...
Its the only one.

[white meadow]

That’s the point. If the game were to add in the Sinnoh pikachu clone, it has to be pachirisu

there’s just no other option

[silent acorn]

Oh ok. Let's leave sinnoh for latter like they did for the remakes, yeah that works

[white meadow]

Skuntank is the better Sinnoh Pika clone

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/truee-pikachu-pokemon-miauz-genau-podcast-gif-21312180

[white meadow]

Mimikyu isn’t a pikachu clone, but we’re not talking about that right now

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-also-true-pikachu-nodding-pokemon-gif-20175665

Seriously though you wanna sell me on Pachirisu make a freaking scientific 3 page peer checked review on pachirisu and Ill give it a 3. Anything less it gets a 1

[white meadow]

no

I do have some fusions of pachirisu, though it’s not that much because I didn’t want to spam the channel

[lethal reef]

Oh boy only 100,000 sprites to go!!
But this looks great, interesting to see the line down the middle! I'm assuming it's self fusions?

[white meadow]

by "have some fusion" do you mean you made some or just googled fusions?

[white meadow]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message
googled fusions

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/none-you-get-zero-none-you-get-zero-gif-5786039

Ok buneary pachirisu is cute not gonna lie. Back to 1

[white meadow]

white pikachu

also that mouth doesn't fit in that head

I have only ever made three fusion sprites, but haven’t really perfected them, but they’re good enough. I’ve also edited a few sprites for my own use, and made some Pokémon of my own. But here is probably not the place to post/talk about this stuff

[silent acorn]

Make a catalog pdf then

[white meadow]

it's literally what we are supposed to talk about in this channel what

[silent acorn]

I shared a luvdisc wishiwashi fusion I didnt make, I think we are safe

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-call-your-bluff-dreya-mac-own-brand-song-baddie-song-youre-lying-gif-25154342

[white meadow]

On what? Because I’ll go get the proof to all three if you want.

[rocky condor]

Looks like a 2B2T map

[sterile verge]

Nah, too much grass

[rocky condor]

shit you're right

[sterile verge]

2b2t players don't go near the stuff

[silent acorn]

I like the joke but what's 2b2t

[white meadow]

one of the oldest anarchy servers

[sterile verge]

It's, ahem, The oldest anarchy server in Minecraft

(Tm)

[clever atlas]

™️

[silent acorn]

Ah I see

Le brown grass server

[clever atlas]

Nah afaik it's mostly grey

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/0b0t-2b2t-popbob-pixelated-brayden-gif-26239571

I can see that

[ivory rune]

once you get out of spawn the world is mostly normal

[silent acorn]

Define normal on that scale

[hollow quest]

not just a massive hole to bedrock

[ivory rune]

you'll start seeing grass after about 1000 blocks, and by 5000 blocks the world will be mostly intact, with the occasional ancient base/grief

though there are also highways that start at 0,0 and go in 8 directions, and those go on for many thousands of blocks both in the overworld and nether

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-darkside-star-wars-evil-innerme-gif-13048146

[coral solar]

I turned on my com and I'm too lazy to scroll up, someone gimme a recap

[final spire]

i picked it

[prime dust]

you aren't in the raffle

what MonR means is the winner's raffle [i.e., the winners of the contests that have been happening for most of the newly revealed pokemon]

[sterile verge]

He won the 2014 Pokémon World Championships

[prime dust]

cringe; that means he's outdated

[sterile verge]

2b2t discussion

[coral solar]

I liked Pachirisu before it became a world champion

I just like cute squirrels

[silent acorn]

Nope -1 points I don't love competitive, and that tournament wasn't death matches was best of 3

Give me actual reasons to want pachirisu not reasons someone has to brag about it.

[silent acorn]

See thats a good point, it is a cutesy squirrel back to 1

I ain't gonna use that freaking squirrel just cuz it won a championship in a game that's mostly solo you know, I see more reasons in plusle and minun being silly mouses

[coral solar]

Really wish Light Ball worked for other Pikachu clones, and not just Pikachu

[silent acorn]

The one quality pikachu clones should have and they don't, quite a cheap shot from gamefreak

[coral solar]

But in terms of why it should be in the game, there really isn't one aside from its design and fusion potential. It's a cute, it's the only squirrel mon in the game until Gen 8 (which makes it the only squirrel in PIF), and white/blue/yellow is an uncommon color scheme.

[cinder oasis]

The only good one is Togedemaru and it's mainly because of its typing and zing zap

[clever atlas]

And emolga is cool too but that's it

[silent acorn]

Well dedenne is fairy type so that's something, and togedemaru is the best one of them thanks to having more to it than the others. Emolga kinda cute but nah

[sullen elbow]

there's other pokemon not in the game also on championship winner teams but people only care about that one time pachirisu had a niche

[silent acorn]

Yep. And that's unfair so let's forget about that.
Also guy had a garchomp which is always forgotten in that championship

[coral solar]

I don't think it's unfair to hyperfixate on the one random bottom-tier pikachu clone playing an important, competent role in a competitive format filled with legendaries and pseudo-legends.

In the same way people would hyperfixate on a clown car placing first in a NASCAR race

[hollow plume]

im so sad migthyena didn't make it. its my fav gen 3 mon

[silent acorn]

One time mind you. If you say hey yeah it's very reliable often then yes

[coral solar]

One time is all it needs to live in most peoples' heads rent-free

[silent acorn]

Sorry I am betraying the gang for Liepard.

[sterile verge]

Yea, because it's a time someone who liked a pokemon regardless of its objective viability and somehow won an entire worldwide tournament using it. It was a win not just for him, but for everyone who uses pokemon for reasons other than their stats

[coral solar]

"Use the Pokemon that you like, not the ones that are strong."

"Okay but what if my favorite Pokemon are ones that are strong?"

[cinder oasis]

Yeah togedemaru has I think the highest or 2nd highest bst of the pika clones, Zing zap, Amazing typing, Good stat spread and it has iron barbs which is decent

[sterile verge]

See that's a bad take from what I said.

[coral solar]

Wasn't a serious take, I'm just being pedantic. Forgot to type in the /s

[sterile verge]

Lol, is cool

[hollow plume]

saddest mightyena noises

[sullen elbow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/6JziKu7Xfls?feature=shared he didn't choose pachi because he liked it was genuenly because of what it could do

[silent acorn]

Should I watch or nah... Hmmmmmm

Ok let me do some cheating

[coral solar]

Pachirisu/Gardevoir fusion that is literally just Marvel's Squirrel Girl

[silent acorn]

Hang on a second there. Pachi is a semi tank that has decent speed. However...

It was a decoy for matchups

I mean that's good and all. But pachi itself apparently doesn't have much

[white meadow]

#artwork message that’s the Pokémon I created, scroll down a few messages to get all, should be the starters, regional bird and regional bug.
#fusions message the three sprites may not be perfect, but I think the first two are good enough
#fusions message and here’s all 37 edits I made for some of the fusions I’ve used in all my playthroughs

[coral solar]

Pachirisu was only good in VGC 2014 specifically because the competitive climate then was a perfect storm that allowed it to shine. Lightning in a bottle, wouldn't be able to replicate in today's formats

[silent acorn]

So a one time occurence

[coral solar]

But I still think it's awesome that someone was able to analyze the game to the point where they devised a strategy in which Pachirisu of all things was the lynchpin

Anyways, cute hyperactive squirrel mon is cute and should be in the game because is cute and gives me serotonin

[silent acorn]

True impressive and Sejun does deserve respect however I feel like people get it wrong he picked the best pokemon for that specific role but not the one to slay the opposition

[silent acorn]

Have togedemaru you can make hamster wheels and keep your serotonin

[coral solar]

I hate hamsters

Squirrels are the superior rodent. Squirrel master race.

[silent acorn]

Emolga it is then

Like its cool how he use it but like man you aren't gonna be using pachirisu to only use that one specific way you know

Like its genius how he Crack the code of the dumb competitive back in the day but like Pachi ain't doing it these days

Like give me builds with that bulk and then we'll be good

this isn't a bad set about what I expect of a tank

In fusion I don't know how good this plays though

[weak trellis]

in general it's much more of an example of why doubles is a more interesting format than singles than anything about pachirisu itself imo

[weak trellis]

greedent enjoyer (positive)

[coral solar]

Singles are for casual players. Simple tactics, 2D chess

[weak trellis]

single player mode and multiplayer mode pretty much

[ivory rune]

Pachurisu has a Smogon page???

ah

[silent acorn]

Yes. Indeed. It sucks ass.

Like its mostly useful as a decoy like the repot from Sejun said

It might be useful as a pickup mon though.

[lofty spindle]

Skovet is nice.

https://tenor.com/view/skwovet-loop-dance-zarude-pokemon-gif-26092661

[cinder oasis]

Skwovet is my enemy

[lofty spindle]

How could it be anyone's enemy? Look at it vibing!

[cinder oasis]

It's boring

[prime dust]

its the only squirrel i will allow

[white meadow]

are they going to reveal any new mon? i never understood that part

[cedar merlin]

probs announcing the raffle winner pic with the update this weekend

[prime dust]

there is one more reveal and it will come after the update

[white meadow]

alright, ty

what is a raffle? english is not my first languaje

[cedar merlin]

one person of all of the people who made trevenant sprites was randomly selected to pick a final pokemon

[meager python]

Like putting names into a hat and taking one put

[prime dust]

bzt

[meager python]

The name that gets pulled is the person who wins

[cedar merlin]

oh wait was it another raffle? lol

[prime dust]

that is not what happened...the trev rush winner got thrown into the winner's raffle

[white meadow]

oh alr, so its random

[prime dust]

yep

[white meadow]

prob is going to be bruxxish cuz we're unlocked

[cedar merlin]

oooh, I'm in "finals panic" rn so I haven't been paying attention much haha. i just knew it had soemthing to do with the tree

[prime dust]

lol

so the winner's raffle is the "hat" of all the contest winners that have happened with the new mon reveals, the trev rush winner [Discoblob] also got tossed into that

[cedar merlin]

oh wait omg yeah I completely forgot about the new pkmn event raffles. i even participated lmao

[sterile verge]

Source?

[prime dust]

gib a sec, gotta dig through frogman's convos in this channel

[white meadow]

so the winners choose the mons and one of those gets chosen'

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[sterile verge]

Cool

[meager python]

Not credible enough (trust me bro)

[cedar merlin]

i really wish they would have made a separate channel for announcements regarding new pokemon specifically. everyone has been so confused this entire time haha

[prime dust]

from what i heard off hand, each winner got to make a list of mons; their "top pick" would be the thing they'd want in, and then they'd have some back up choices just in case of some shenanigans

[white meadow]

alr

[sterile verge]

They should coordinate so we have a 100% chance of something stoopid getting added

[prime dust]

i think they aren't allowed to tell anyone what they picked, outside of the staff

[white meadow]

WE SHOULD ADD CRAMORANT

imagine idiot bird with random things on its beak

[prime dust]

?

[white meadow]

bro what i tried to send the text and my discord page shaked, literally

[prime dust]

sadly nothing past gen 7 will ever be added

[sullen elbow]

slow mode

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[cedar merlin]

i still really want furfrou, but other than that i have no specific wants. i just want to give the stupidly strong poodle silly haircuts

[sterile verge]

I just imagine a group of exasperated moderators spinning a wheel and all the sections are labeled "just minun" except one that's labeled "just plusle"

[white meadow]

4 years using discord and idk how to use discord

I DIDN'T WANTED TO REPLY TO THAT

[prime dust]

lol

[white meadow]

then stakataka would be cool, brick mons

[cedar merlin]

i'd rather luvdisc than minun or plusle. equally useless but at least it'd give use a cute heart aesthetic lol

[sterile verge]

I did a funny, laugh or else

[white meadow]

imagine if all of the winners are picking the worst mon possible

[prime dust]

its possible, but we'll never know

just like we will likely never see the poll results [since some people are convinced it was rigged]

[white meadow]

i think we should see em

[sullen elbow]

Lets add wishiwashi solo form only

[sterile verge]

It's more possible than not since logically one would want their unpopular choice to be added over a popular one, since it's more likely to get both that way later down the line.

[white meadow]

whishiwashi, plusle and quilladin (not the line, just quilladin)

[white meadow]

man idk, we should see them

[sterile verge]

Like someone who really likes Emolga and zygarde would probably choose emolga since zygarde is really popular anyways and will most likely get added regardless

[prime dust]

well right now the only things that have a higher chance of being added in the future are the starters

we made it abundantly clear we wanted them in the game

[white meadow]

yeah that what is weird for me

not a single starter being added, or an ultrabeast

[prime dust]

check the pins

[sterile verge]

I mean technically necozm-

[prime dust]

they had to dq the starters; if they hadn't the community poll would have looked vastly different

this post specifically #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[sullen elbow]

Beast balls don't work on it

[white meadow]

alright ty

[prime dust]

assuming the last few slots would have gone to legendaries, had they not dq'ed the starters; the poll results would have been:
Gen 6 Starters
Gen 7 Starters
Necrozma (Ultra Necrozma)
and then whatever the next highest legendary on the poll was that fit into a single slot

[white meadow]

still managed to catch one with it (totally not because it has 255 catch rate on usum)

[sterile verge]

The regi trio

[prime dust]

they take up 3 slots

[white meadow]

"a single slot"

[prime dust]

community poll was always 20 slots tops; 2 generations of starters is 18 slots

[white meadow]

well tbh i would take registeel without the other two because it's basically the one that sucks less

[sterile verge]

Fair

[sterile verge]

Not fair, disagree completely

[sullen elbow]

I caught mine in a heal ball in sm

[sterile verge]

Regice superior in every way

[white meadow]

except typing, looks, stats, usefulness and cry

[sterile verge]

Your right, regice does have better typing, looks, stats, usefulness, and cry

[white meadow]

like even regirock has a cool anime cry while regice is just "repeats his own damn name"

[sterile verge]

Regirock got the best cry period (besides criketune)

Although dracovish in the Japanese anime is up there

Along with guzzlord in the Japanese anime

[sullen elbow]

I don't really like it too much, its just a mesh of ice crystals that seem placed randomly, it look way too clunky

[clever atlas]

How bout Guzzlord

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[white meadow]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/surskit-ah-surskit-a-pokemon-pokémon-gif-21420968

[sterile verge]

The fact guzzlord is just some guy screaming* was so damn funny when I watched the episode

[white meadow]

i have a trauma with regirock since before being a spriter i was a shiny hunter and i spent like 5 months lookinf for shiny regirock, it killed itself and 2 years after it appeared and killed itself again

[sterile verge]

How?

[white meadow]

because it wont get on the ultraball even with 5 ps and it had no movement left

so i stopped shiny hunting and playing pokemon in general after that

[sterile verge]

Damn

https://tenor.com/view/zuko-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-18582561

[white meadow]

i cried out of frustration when it killed itself the second time lmao

[silent acorn]

Man that's some funny shet right there

I think it surpass the guy who found shiny Giratina only for his DS to glitch and freeze lol

[umbral kelp]

what moveset would you put on a cofagrigus-umbreon with will-o-wisp in its moveset? should be a stall/tank.. can it learn any heal move?

[inland jewel]

Doesn't it get recover?

if anything, it gets access to wish via Umbreon

[upper talon]

that makes no sense they added necrozma and oricorio with two forms why not wishywashy

[umbral kelp]

So willowisp, wish, protect, hex? Anything that raises so.def by 2 stages maybe?

[silent acorn]

We are yet to see how Necrozma is gonna work, we don't know how stable battle change forms are gonna be. Oricorio is out of battle form change

[upper talon]

makes sense and great point but we still need wishi washi in the game

[silent acorn]

Why?

I get school has potential, but why do we need it?

[sullen elbow]

thats what you call a joke

[upper talon]

ohh ok

[upper talon]

think about the combos we can make

[loud sorrel]

pokemon with unique designs usually lend themselves well to unique fusions
like unown and stuff

[sand mica]

Aromatisse and Skuntank have unique designs.

[loud sorrel]

skuntank's only unique feature is being a skunk
aromatisse is unique in a bad way lol

[white meadow]

Thats why we need Gogoat

[loud sorrel]

gogoat would be nice

[hidden relic]

I mean at this point why still bother with the propaganda?

[white meadow]

people coping for future votes ig

[hidden relic]

The lines in the raffle are finalized

Some cool picks for the raffle imo, but others would disagree for sure

[white meadow]

as long as it is not spheal im happy

[loud sorrel]

remind me, whats the last pokemon line gonna be for?
is it a raffle pick

[hidden relic]

Yep, Contest Winners & the Trev Raffle Winner got to add a line to another raffle

We will spin a different wheel containing those choices sometime in the future

[white meadow]

Im exited what we get
But i wonder
Is the raffle mon in the next update or will it be a extra update

[lofty spindle]

Without specifics, did some people pick the same line?

[hidden relic]

Next update I think? Otherwise I woulda revealed it by now

Especially when we haven’t even rolled for it yet

[white meadow]

I asked cuz I didnt know how frog does it cuz they have the raffle cuz of mons in this update

[loud sorrel]

so are we gonna get that final pick in the update this weekend
or will it come after that

[hidden relic]

I do not know that at this time

I think there’s something revealed this weekend beyond the update, but I literally do not know yet. Take my words with caution till later

[white meadow]

I feel like aslong as it isnt a legendari it can end like a last minute addition

[coral solar]

Watch it be a legendary

[white meadow]

But idk
We see this weekend

[coral solar]

Meloetta hype.

[loud sorrel]

a legendary would be nice
not expecting one but ending on a high note would be nice

im just hoping for leavanny or lurantis lines

[white meadow]

I would like another normal mon so we can find it in the normal game

[coral solar]

Ending it on a high note

Did you SEE how many people were angry about the Regis and Necrozma? It don't matter which one it is, people will see a legend and be mad

[smoky fractal]

Is there going to be any more pokemon revealed?

[loud sorrel]

think just one more line
either this weekend or some time after

[smoky fractal]

Also, it’s really dumb for people to be angry about legendaries

[loud sorrel]

alsodoes anyone know how the regis and necrozma are gonna appear in game
like where are they gonna be found
i doubt that thered be new map rooms added for them but i wonder where theyd show up

[smoky fractal]

Like bro, it’s a Pokémon game. Some people want to do legends. Some people do randomized, and like having legendary fusions

[coral solar]

It's really dumb for people to be angry about most things.

That will never stop people from being angry about most things.

[smoky fractal]

It’s ok, no one’s gonna die

[smoky fractal]

Truth

[loud sorrel]

i dont really get angry about any pokemon reveals
like, if the pokemon is good or bad or boring at the very least its always something new added to the game
i dont really expect all my favorites to get in and thats fune

[white meadow]

We do know how to get Necrozma

[coral solar]

Lots of people have it in their heads that if a mon they don't like gets in, that's a slot that could've gone to a mon that they do like.

As though there will never be any more mons added to the game after this.

[smoky fractal]

Literally three of my four sets that I wanted are being added, I’m not going to complain

[pure flower]

My view on it is if it doesn't get added now, it'll probably be added later

[loud sorrel]

how is necrozma gotten then

[coral solar]

They're obviously gonna add a new mini-event or sidequest for Necrozma

[smoky fractal]

The only other Pokémon I wanted added besides starters is Zygarde

[white meadow]

In the Playtest channel people found the location to start the quest
But for short
You need to colect prisms and bring them in the... i think it was a place in the poke graveyard tower thigy

[coral solar]

#UltraSpace ❗

[smoky fractal]

And considering how much people are apparently mad about getting legends, the odds for getting Zygarde are not looking too great.

[coral solar]

Zygarde is 100% gonna get in. Eventually.

Just not this time around.

[hidden relic]

First I’ve heard about people being mad about legends

[coral solar]

Both on Regi announcement day and Necrozma announcement day, I counted a couple dozen people across the channels saying they were bad additions

[hidden relic]

Maybe the legend choices y’all voted on over others, but not the legends themselves

[loud sorrel]

honestly im excited for this update
as someone whos basically beaten the game and gotten the majority of the stuff done thisll sorta be like a dlc for me lol

[pure flower]

With Necrozma, I feel like the way it should be done is you fight it in its base form once, then it retreats. You go after to chase it down, and end up finding another overworld pokemon. Out of nowhere Necrozma rushes in and forces a fusion with the pokemon, before going straight to Ultra Necrozma while fused

[lofty spindle]

I appreciate the admittance to uncertainty.

[loud sorrel]

that could be cool

[coral solar]

Some people don't like playing with Legendaries and feel like their opinion should override that of 99% of the playerbase

[smoky fractal]

Personally, there are some Pokémon I don’t understand why people want them added. Bruxish is a great example of this. Why there were people demanding bruxish and angry about the Regis like I do not understand

[smoky fractal]

It blows my mind sometimes

[loud sorrel]

who is really demanding bruxish though
bruxish is not good lol

[lofty spindle]

Well I myself am not usually mad about them, but dislike them as inclusions.
They tend to be way past when you already have built a team, and don't really change or grow after you got them.

[pure flower]

Do people geninuely have bruxish as a favorite?

[smoky fractal]

Unless you are playing randomizer

[pure flower]

Like, I'm curious what makes people like Bruxish?

[smoky fractal]

But fair

[coral solar]

Legendaries exist as things for children on the playground to brag about catching (back when they were actually hard to catch and weren't basically guaranteed), and as beatsticks for those same children to use when they're too stupid to do things like use tactics and strategy.

[lusty cosmos]

Bruxish is a meme pick. It's the worst, therefore the best.

[coral solar]

Having said all of that.

I will not lie. I still think Darkrai is the shit.

Because I am an edgy bitch.

[loud sorrel]

legendaries are cool powerful endgame rewards that can be both collectibles and powerful weapons

[loud sorrel]

absolutely terrified at the prospect of bruxish actually making it in lol

[coral solar]

Can you imagine. Bruxish's lips.

On anything else.

[loud sorrel]

oh god no

[lusty cosmos]

Do not underestimate the power of a "goofy ah" pick, people will do it.

[pure flower]

I actually wonder. Have you done weaker fusions before?

[loud sorrel]

ill only accept bruxish if its the last pokemon added
like every other gen 1-7 pokemon gets in except for it, where it gets added dead last

[pure flower]

Like intentionally sticking with a weaker pokemon just because you like them?

[coral solar]

I mean, looking at it from a usability standpoint.

It has a pretty good ability, decent typing, and a really strong signature move.

It's JUST the fact that it looks like someone threw a fish and a tye-dye packet into washing machine and set that shit to maximum spin strength

[lusty cosmos]

That's the CHAD way to play

[pure flower]

Sunflora Noctowl?

[loud sorrel]

ive done that a few times before in other games
like with lopunny or tropius
lopunny is pretty weak on its own but i stick with it cause i like it

[smoky fractal]

Me when I prefer Deoxys to Mewtwo, even though I make people mad at that

[pure flower]

neither of those two are weak though

[coral solar]

Machamp/Lopunny is my fighting type of choice.

Definitely because No Guard HJK is really good.

No other reasons.

[smoky fractal]

Deoxys is a glass cannon if he’s not defense form

[pure flower]

That's fair.

[loud sorrel]

actually in IF i have used lopunny/golurk cause it only has a weakness to dark, which is great

[pure flower]

A glass cannon is still more viable then a nothing cannon

Like. Deoxys is a pretty neat pokemon, to be clear on that.

[smoky fractal]

I appreciate that

[pure flower]

Just nowhere near the levels of stuff like Vespiquen, Sunflora, Noctowl, etc

[coral solar]

Vespiquen confuses me. So much.

[smoky fractal]

True, like I have a strange fondness for Dragalgae, even though I have never heard of him being useful

[pure flower]

pokemon you usually have to put a lot more extra work in to make work

[sullen elbow]

Imagine bruxish lips on jynx

[smoky fractal]

I was hoping no one would mention that

[coral solar]

Its entire gimmick is that it has unique 'swarm' moves.

But like. What is the swarm. Is it actual combees? Are there hundreds of other mons inside of her giant booty? Or are they normal ass bees? REAL LIFE bees? Are real life bugs a thing in the Pokemon world?

[pure flower]

Honestly- I think Vespiquen grew on me when I tried using it in legends arceus

[pure flower]

It's combees, as confirmed via the anime and manga

[smoky fractal]

Gen 1 says possibly, considering there was that episode with Mongooses

[sullen elbow]

remember infestation?

[loud sorrel]

i have been trying to get a vespiqueen/female combee for forever in legends but i havent gotten one for some reason

[coral solar]

Vespiquen has a sick af design, I agree with that, but WHAT IS IT

[pure flower]

You can get a confirmed alpha vespiquen in the first area just left of the forest

[smoky fractal]

Another weak Pokémon I like is Castform. I like the weather changing appearance, although I wish it was stronger

[loud sorrel]

oh really
gotta check that out

[pure flower]

It's closer to the mountain entrance

[coral solar]

Also wish Vespiquen were Bug/Psychic type.

Better typing than Bug/Flying and they could've played on the whole "queen, hive mind" angle.

[smoky fractal]

For the record though, best Pokémon for Infinite Fusion is Darkrai Shedinja with Dark Ghost typing.

[sullen elbow]

they should make a combee preevo called Babee

[pure flower]

I mean. That's not bad, though I honestly don't mind it being a bug/flying.

[loud sorrel]

another weak pokemon i like is tropius. I dont see it get used much but i used it in platinum and it kinda grew on me
though i didnt use it for super long

[pure flower]

Aa. Tropius is pretty cool. Always had a fascination with it

[smoky fractal]

I like Relicanth, similar along those veins

[loud sorrel]

its a single hexagon larva lol

[coral solar]

Maybe Mega Vespiquen could've been Bug/Psychic.

Add it to the long list of things to put in that custom Pokemon game I'm definitely never gonna get around to actually making.

[smoky fractal]

Bro they should just add more Megas one day

[lusty cosmos]

Flygon was ROBBED

[smoky fractal]

Like please, we’ve been asking for so long

[coral solar]

Milotic too

[loud sorrel]

oh yeah didnt they say that they couldnt come up with ideas for a flygon mega and thats why id doesnt have one lol

[lusty cosmos]

looks at mega Slowbro I call bull

[coral solar]

Mega Flygon Bug/Dragon and Mega Milotic Water/Fairy were all I wanted.

[smoky fractal]

I don’t care if it’s called Dragoniteite, Dragonite needed one too

[smoky fractal]

It’s slowbro, even the Pokémon has no ideas

[lusty cosmos]

Flygon is my favorite Pokemon too so it stung extra hard finding that out

[smoky fractal]

And WHY NO KALOS MEGAS

[sullen elbow]

I don't bame them, I have seen like two mega flygon desings that I like

[coral solar]

I hate that this was their excuse. Considering how many existing megas are literally just "The mon, but more spikes/bigger".

[smoky fractal]

Mega Aegislash would’ve been so cool

[loud sorrel]

that always struck me as weird
kalos region introduced megas
why didnt the kalos starters have megas then

[smoky fractal]

Well, technically one did

[coral solar]

The same reason why 70% of Gen 6's Megas were of Gen 1 pokemon

[smoky fractal]

MY BOI ASH GRENINJA FOR THE WIN

[loud sorrel]

kanto bias lol

[smoky fractal]

Love that Pokémon, in fact that is why I refused to buy Gen 9 because they removed the transformation.

[lusty cosmos]

Megas should have been a way to bring older Pokemon up to par without needing a full evo, instead they just made the favorites get them. Sadge

[coral solar]

That's what they advertised Megas as. That's the worst part.

People were expecting shit like Mega Beedrill, Mega Sunflora, Mega Delibird.

....we at least got one of those.

[smoky fractal]

I’m not going to deny that they could’ve handled some of it better, but let’s be real. The Mega mechanic is better than almost any that came afterwards.

[sullen elbow]

new evos would have been better in every way for them

[coral solar]

Aesthetically, yes.

Mechanically, Megas were extremely centralizing to the metagame.

[loud sorrel]

it was inevitable that megas would be given to the most popualr pokemon
i just wish the weaker mons got them too

[smoky fractal]

I love how after Z-moves, they were like “Well, … what do we do now?” And then just like “Let’s combine the two, Zmoves with Mega” and that’s how Gigantimax was born.

[coral solar]

The thing is, they could've given already-strong mons a Mega form, but made it more of a trade-off for them.

Like how Garchomp-Mega actually gets slower in exchange for a massive power boost.

Meanwhile weaker mons, like Beedrill, were just a straight up no-holds-barred across-the-board improvement.

But almost all Megas ended up being the latter (looking at you Lucario, Metagross, Salamence)

[smoky fractal]

Two of which were Pseudo, which means they became gods

[coral solar]

I will never forgive GF for giving a 700 BST Dragon/Flying type Aerilate

[finite thistle]

It's always really bothered me that most Megas are simply treated as stat boosts. Some change their typing, but that often still leads to the same switch in and hit the button playstyle. A playstyle that really doesn't take full advantage of the mechanic

Its why I like Diancie and Sableye so much because they have 2 seperate strategies going on that they can pivot when the timing is optimal

[loud sorrel]

i guess giving them a new strategy is harder than just boosting stats or a tpe swap

[coral solar]

I'm fine with that being the methodology for SOME Megas, but I really liked the Megas like Sableye and Heracross that had their entire playstyle changed depending on if they were Mega or not

[vapid yew]

Whoever mentioned Vespiqueen as bug/psychic, thats a wild but wicked concept

[coral solar]

Ty

[vapid yew]

I mainly like it because of bias of my hate for the 4x weakness to rock, like Defend Order makes it survivable, but dang its rough

[smoky fractal]

Even throw in Ash Greninja, having an open item slot but requiring a ko to activate. You have to have a working strategy for that that differs from the standard Greninja and the protean Greninja.

[vapid yew]

But also the logic behind it is really sound and a unique take I've never heard before

[finite thistle]

Heracross is super funky, not only because the Mega plays so disctinctly, but also because the base form has 2 really good abilities that happen to have situational utility.

[smoky fractal]

Heracross is a great Pokémon

[finite thistle]

Moxie is the obvious choice, but I've used Heracross a lot as a hyper offense backbone, which requires it to run Guts to soak up the opponent's status

[coral solar]

Man ya know what.

Vespiquen is going onto my list of top 5 mons I wanna see added

I wanna see what fusions people can cook for it

[small roost]

based suggestion tbh

[finite thistle]

Attack Order is a really cool move. It is already in the game, but only on Beedrill.

And Beedrill is trash

[hidden relic]

Counterpoint: Its more postgame content to enjoy

[coral solar]

"But why would I want more post-game content when I always just reset the game after get the HoF?"

That's a YOU problem, my dudes

[wise hollow]

absolute bangers thats what

[white meadow]

"but but it's so fun to replay the same damn game again and beat the very difficult™️ 2 mon gms!11!!1"

[finite thistle]

I do enjoy replaying this game with different combinations, but I usually wanna make it to Gold

[coral solar]

Okay guys

If/when there is another new mon poll, those of us who decide to champion Vespiquen need to all agree to use this as our calling card:

https://tenor.com/view/nicholas-nicholascage-bees-bite-gif-4944634

[finite thistle]

I think I'm still too invested on Minior to put it at number 1, but it does scratch that itch for an unsuccessful Pokemon with a unique playstyle

[pure flower]

mega vespiquin would probably have combees acting as a wall, having enhanced Order moves

[finite thistle]

So, if I can't get people to vote for Burmy then Vespaqueen is a more realistic alternative

[silent acorn]

Like someone mentioned before Attack Order is like a Queen Bee ordering servant bugs to attack for them... Beedrill is a wasp.

[silent acorn]

Never. I love vespiquen but Burmy can burn in the trash

[pure flower]

I don't think Attack Order even fits Beedrill

like. The only other pokemon I could think even gets close to being valid for Attack order is Salazzle

[silent acorn]

Funny enough it's physical so it works, but no it does not fit Beedrill unless you are pretending is the alpha wasp or some nonsense like that

[pure flower]

Like. Putting attack order on Beedrill is so forced

[silent acorn]

Salazzle, Illumise maybe, Venomoth is more likely, Durant because ants work together, maybe galvantula and Ariados if we wanna get extensive.

Like attack order is one hell of badass move. You just order swarms to attack for you.

[pure flower]

Oh, Durant would be pretty fitting too. Illumise works only with its counterpart, and Venomoth doesn't seem like much of a ruler to me

Spiders don't work in groups either typically.

[silent acorn]

That's partially why I said Illumise if you wanna say that it orders male Volbeat to attack for her.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_spider#:~:text=By building a communal web,they led a solitary existence.

They are a thing yep

[pure flower]

But of all pokemon, Beedrill is absolutely NOT the pokemon that should be getting Attack Order

or any of the Order moves, really.

[silent acorn]

Nope Beedrill is a mothefudging violent bug that are sort of pseudo gladiators, saying they order each other is illogical, they don't even order weedle or kakuna to attack for them which is the whole theme of Attack Order or Order Moves

Like ariados and galvantula could in theory order smaller joltik and spinarak because spiders tend to have that them of mother spider ordering little spiders

Venomoth was more reaching by me they don't order anything

[pure flower]

...I'm just reading the expert move tutor page

[silent acorn]

Yes?

[pure flower]

I'm just, shaking my head. Some of these are absolutely ridiculous

https://infinitefusion.fandom.com/wiki/Move_Expert_Move_Lists?so=search

Wait. What the hell? Jolteon can get Thousand Arrows???

[silent acorn]

WAIT IT GETS WHAT NOW????!!

[coral solar]

Look at these babees, just now seeing the ridiculous things the move tutor is capable of

[sullen elbow]

Tail glow reshiram 💀

[silent acorn]

I was about to say Farfetch learning First Impression was goofy when most of what learns it it's bug them already

Dude that's funny imagine a Snorlax perfoming darkest lariat

https://tenor.com/view/wailord-darkest-lariat-gif-19082882

OK it is goofy that this one can use it lol

[lofty spindle]

It can't sadly, just a funny.

[coral solar]

Beyblade Beyblade let it rip

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/audino-indeedee-darkist-lariat-darkest-lariat-audino-war-crimes-gif-20806077

[silent acorn]

They gave pikachu Zing Zap... Wtf dude

Well togedemaru you ffked son

[pure flower]

So. Do you think they'll be removing Necrozma's signature moves from the other pokemon once Necrozma is added?

[elfin forge]

After the game update, how long would it take for the yanmega bot to be updated?

[silent acorn]

Fun fact Arbok can learn clangorous soul

pretty sussy list

[blissful stream]

some of the things on that legendary move tutor make zero sense lmao
lunar dance staryu line?

[smoky fractal]

Hope not

[silent acorn]

Fun fact everyone's favorite electric type Electrode gets Mind Blown as well as Exeguttor cuz why not

[smoky fractal]

I got a Deoxys Arceus fusion that has Light of Ruin from the Eternal Flower Flabebe

[silent acorn]

Guess what mind blown is? BLACEPHALONS FREAKING SIGNATURE MOVE

[pure flower]

I actually don't know how you'd trigger those "type" things?

Is that hidden power type?

[smoky fractal]

That move technically doesn’t exist since neither does the Floette

[silent acorn]

The moves type I am guessing

[agile olive]

light of ruin seems appropriate for arceus, in the absence of flabebe tbh

[pure flower]

you require a type before you can even learn the move on the pokemon

Er wait. Is it a required type ON the pokemon?

[silent acorn]

No idea

[smoky fractal]

I want the Eternal Floette to be obtainable. I want to use it in a game, and I will keep it on my team permanently

[coral solar]

Guys, Expert Move Tutor moves are based on what's thematically appropriate, not what's fair and balanced

Who cares if Electrode gets an UB's sig move, it's a joke about it exploding

Laugh at the joke or don't laugh, but take a chill pill either way

[pure flower]

I mean. What if something isn't thematically appropriate?

[silent acorn]

Someone please explain this

[pure flower]

spiky bodies

[coral solar]

Take a good long look at both Ferrothorn and Ferroseed. Take note of the most stand-out aspect of their designs.

Then reread your question.

[hushed mantle]

Why doesn’t haxorus learn first impression? That’s a crime

[silent acorn]

Nevermind I thought it say gen IX

[lofty spindle]

Apparently that's the plan, shall I link my suggestion again?

[smoky fractal]

Why does any Pokémon other than Greninja learn Water Shuriken

[deep grotto]

did they ever fix it so that hoopa's signature move doesnt require hoopa unbound?
or was that intended, as a joke :V

[coral solar]

Ninja Pokemon learn Water Shuriken. Because ninjas.

[hushed mantle]

Ah yes, the signature move of the gen 9 grass starter chestnaught

[coral solar]

Accelgor learns it, iirc

[pure flower]

Cacturne learns it.

[smoky fractal]

Ah yes because all ninjas are water benders

[silent acorn]

Injustice fixed

[pure flower]

apparently even Pansage learns spiky shield

[silent acorn]

Not gonna lie that's dope

[smoky fractal]

I said why does, not why doesn’t

[pure flower]

so. Is that meaning that if Samurott was added it could use Water Shuriken?

[smoky fractal]

Honestly, that situation I would be fine with. It’s just the other Pokémon that can use it now

[lofty spindle]

I could see that.

[coral solar]

Honestly stop throwing fits about unusual mons learning unusual moves and just revel in the unique strategies we’re able to employ in this silly fan game

[smoky fractal]

Accelgor can use it now. Why

[deep grotto]

because fun

[pure flower]

also apparently Jolteon can use Freeze Shock... lol

[silent acorn]

Maybe they all are kinda oriental themed in a way

[smoky fractal]

You know what, I’m not going to question it anymore

[deep grotto]

I really dont get why this is so hard for people to wrap their heads around...

[lofty spindle]

Like... the ninjas get to use the ninja move...

[pure flower]

Of all the moves, the only ones I don't really agree on is Beedrill with attack order, heal order, and defend order

everything else is... ig a thing.

[silent acorn]

Would you look at that my Monkey has this move, guess we don't need the Alolan Monkes anymore

[stone cliff]

I mean, it's a bee. Hive mind stuff and all that

[lofty spindle]

We actually see Beedrill work directly with Vespiqueen in the PMD games.

[deep grotto]

🤦

[pure flower]

I'm not entirely convinced. It doesn't command anything.

[silent acorn]

Are they canon?

[lofty spindle]

To what?

[stone cliff]

Bees can release pheromones to tell other bees what is a threat. It's why you can get chased for miles by a swarm of bees

They command each other

[pure flower]

Alright. Fair. So if Durant got added, it'd get the moves too

and Salazzle, I suppose since it's commanding its harem.

[deep grotto]

... is pokemon inf fusion canon?

[stone cliff]

Absolutely, by the same logic, and yeah I could see Salazzle as well

[silent acorn]

ayo we don't need no marshadow we got his signature right here, one less unique thing about it muahahahaha

[lofty spindle]

Fair reasoning tbh.

I think for Salazzle I'd add it needs to be bug-type.

[pure flower]

Actually. Isn't there a bunch of pack pokemon?

Like- lemme check. Pretty sure there's more pack pokemon in IF

[lofty spindle]

I'd still say it'd need to be a species with a king/queen-like leader.

Heck, maybe a bug-type Bisharp fusion could be justified.

[pure flower]

So pack pokemon

[deep grotto]

I mean, if the only reason you want a pokemon added is so you can use their unique move. that pokemon probably isnt important enough to be added.

[pure flower]

within the same logic as Durant and Beedrill.

[lofty spindle]

Packs do not have leaders neccessarily.

[pure flower]

...yes. That's exactly my point.

[silent acorn]

What did you want?

[pure flower]

They order each other and communicate

[silent acorn]

I want vespiquen to make queen bees killing machines

[pure flower]

I like Vespiquen just because of the pokemon itself. Grew fond of it

[lofty spindle]

Each other, without a leader giving orders specifically.
They do not have a commander as these moves imply.

[pure flower]

You do realize that by saying that, that means Durant and Beedrill shouldn't have those moves then

as it's not their leader commanding them.

[deep grotto]

I want pretty pokemon to make pretty pokemon fusions. Simple as.

[pure flower]

Look. If we're going to reach for it, we might as well be fair and extend it to all pack pokemon

[lofty spindle]

They are species with a commanding leader though, while regular packs are not.

[pure flower]

Packs typically have a leader

[lofty spindle]

They are not monarchies though, that is my thought.

[pure flower]

yet the common ones can command each other

[stone cliff]

I think the issue here is a difference in how much people care about this particular subject lol

They could give Typhlosion hydro pump and I'd think "wow, that's weird"

But that's about it

[lofty spindle]

It is not merely the act of commanding, the order-moves show a swarm of subjugated insect.

And yeah, as established I am very passionate about this. XD

[pure flower]

I just want the logic to be applied more fairly. So applying the logic to more than one pokemon

I mean. A pack pokemon that has to be fused with a bug type? Is that more fair?

so Luxray for example (apparently lives in packs with a male leader?)

[stone cliff]

If we're being honest, the reason these moves were added to other pokemon was probably because the mons that actually learn them aren't in, and, at the time, had no plans of getting in

[lofty spindle]

That is stated, actually.

[pure flower]

so. Then what happens once the pokemon is added?

[stone cliff]

🤷‍♂️

[lofty spindle]

Also the reason Frog wants to fade them out.

By now I am beginning to think that may be canceled, with how we talk.

[stone cliff]

I've always been very neutral about signature moves, especially since most of them aren't signature for more than a gen or two

[lofty spindle]

Yeah Frog wants to remove them apparently, said so about Flying Press to mske ut exclusive to Hawlucha again.

[pure flower]

Solar Blade ;-;

[lofty spindle]

#game-suggestions message
Never forget, one of the most supported suggestions ever btw.

[stone cliff]

Oh, I just saw the message about removing flying press from the move expert lol

[pure flower]

fair. I mean. Things I'd personally like would be some of them being more broad for example, if a pokemon is shown to exist in a pack or a hive, and is bug type or in a bug type fusion, then it'll get the attack/heal/defend order moves.

Or stuff like needing Dragon and Flying in order to get access to Rayquaza's signature move

[lofty spindle]

We can argue the exact holders, but agree they should be distributed via the move expert, right?

[stone cliff]

I wanna see a mod where any pokemon can learn any move that shares its type lol

[lofty spindle]

Cassette Beasts bootleg monsters be like:

[empty leaf]

I would say something like "it would be broken on the right/wrong type"

but at the same time, given that you said a mod and PIF isn't going to have pvp/online, it could be a fun mod to mess around.

[pure flower]

...oh. So apparently Accelgor learns water shuriken in the main line games

[restive arrow]

Starting gen 8 yeah

[loud sorrel]

ok so if a pokemon gains a move in gen 8+, would that be able to carry over into this game
like i think torterra gained shell smash or something in the gen 9 dlc
so would it be able to have shell smash here
or is that sort of thing limited to gens 1-7 as well

[cinder oasis]

Yeah it's just unfortunate that it's not really useful

[prime dust]

move pools are pretty limited to gen 7 max

it kind of loosely falls under the Pokemon Essnetials issues

[stone cliff]

Speaking of moves, I think my main request is for a "no early dragon rage" for the randomizer options

[prime dust]

i.e., in order to get anything from Gen 8, you need to figure out how to change the code from V21 to V18, and then tweak that to Hypnotoads' custom code nonsense

its kind of the same reason why no one has really bothered yet [to my knowledge] on trying to do that just for Gen 8 mons

[inland jewel]

Gen 8 is simpler simple becaues thats only E19

which is only one coding/file overhaul instead of the 2 that seperates 18 from 21

fun fact also, a lot of pokemon learns surf from level up starting gen 8

which would severely fix the randomizer surf issue

[prime dust]

you mean the one that has since been fixed?

I think that was part of the update from 5.3.1.2 to 5.3.1.3

I've not seen anyone complain about the surf issue since the update anyway

[inland jewel]

did they fix HMs being randomized?

or the fact that it wouldn't appear in the bag?

[prime dust]

hms can not be randomized at all

the issue was with people getting the hm from the npc and it not being in the bag

that, to my knowledge, has been fixed

[mystic rivet]

I hope they can fix a randomized tm from an npc being what it actually says it is in the dialogue.

[inland jewel]

yeah the logic there was that when they obtained the HM, the game randomized it to another item

but it still said Surf/ Cut/ Etc

[prime dust]

no, the bug in 5.3.1.2 just outright didn't give them the HM in any capacity

had to help someone with that myself

[sullen elbow]

Super Mario RPG flashback

[inland jewel]

weird, I heard it was exclusive to randomizers

like if you were playing normally then its fine, but if you were on randomizer there was a chance you were screwed

[prime dust]

it was

randomizer in any way had a chance to bork it

w items was worse though

[deep grotto]

I had that bug. iirc once I got all the badges up to that point, the HMs just appeared in my inventory .

[sand mica]

Skuntank would be a good addition.

[sullen elbow]

It would be one of the additions of all time

[silent acorn]

Goodra is the addition of all time

[sullen elbow]

Altaria is the addition of all time

[stone cliff]

[sullen elbow]

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-game-knight-hollow-silk-song-gif-25946303

[humble remnant]

they need to add necrozma oogabooga

[alpine rune]

A necrozma what now

[stone cliff]

I think they're talking about the Sr Pelo jumpscare?

Or they are saying "They need to add Necrozma, oogabooga"

[alpine rune]

sr pelo made a pokemon animation?

[stone cliff]

Nah but I think a clip from one of his old animations has been meme-ified recently

(Loud noise warning) https://youtu.be/KhOxScsQd7w?si=sLHDzMki1py7cHel

Also sorry if I'm not supposed to link videos 🙏

[brisk vessel]

The video itself is based on that one jumpscare image from like The Maze thing

[stone cliff]

Yeah, but I've been seeing that specific video popping up lately

[brisk vessel]

Lo

[left plover]

when do i need to update my client?

[stone cliff]

#announcements message

[left plover]

thx

[stone cliff]

o7

[coral solar]

Updating is as simple as clicking the Install or Update file in the game’s folder, right?

[slim bone]

gen 8 mons would be so lit tho, namely zacian (and zam) & eternatus

still havent had much luck on figuring anything out lol

[drowsy drift]

I like some gen 8 pokemon and think they'd be good in the game, but not those

[hollow quest]

toxtricity, obstagoon, hatterene would be good

[cerulean wing]

Hatterene line would be sick

What new Pokémon is everyone most excited for?

[slim bone]

toxapex & tyrantrum

[cinder oasis]

Dellmise

[cerulean wing]

Scolipede has always been a favorite of mine so I’m excited for it

[slim bone]

i think centiskorch would be awesome but its gen 8

[tardy flame]

toxapex and scolipede

my babies, already want to fuse toxapex with my favoritest of faves milotic

[slim bone]

toxapex & milotic probably goes hard af

[tardy flame]

why? I just want to

[slim bone]

but do i want merciless or marvel scale.. decisions decisions

[tardy flame]

I'm gonna take merciless because I rarely run into situations in if where I need more defense

[pure flower]

Merciless with toxic spikes could br a good combo

[high haven]

Three more days until the final Mon(s) will be revealed

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-of-the-first-day-gif-23933500

[brisk vessel]

I really hope Mythicals are allowed this time for the raffle

[high haven]

If you could add 1 line or connected group to the game, which mons would that be?

[brisk vessel]

I think it's pretty obvious what I would add

[high haven]

Same here for who I would add

[slim bone]

if legends, eternatus or zacian (& zam by default), if starters then greninja, otherwise malamar line or charcadet line

[high haven]

Nice choices

[brisk vessel]

It's unfortunate Gen 8 and 9 aren't supported by this game

[tardy flame]

I'd add tsareena because I don't think they would let me add serperior because the starters will be coming later. Or a real out of left field Claydol.

[slim bone]

yeah it really is

[brisk vessel]

So even if I wanted to get my boy Eternatus it is physically impossible to include

[high haven]

Especially since its signature move would just do damage since we can't have gmax mons

[slim bone]

i've been asking around, trying to learn about coding & trying to find people who know. im determined to figure out how to add 8/9

[tardy flame]

the way how to do it already exists, but what you'd have to do is volunteer to fix all of the addons and custom things in the game right now and then also get toad to agree

[high haven]

I'm actually tied between wanting Seviper or adding any 1 fairy line since as of right now zero new fairies are being added

[slim bone]

from what i've been told there's not a way yet, the V21 code would have to be tweaked to V18 then retweaked into hypnotoad code

[tardy flame]

I think claydol would be neat with how nonstandard it looks

I always had a soft spot for it since playing ruby as my first pokemon game

[brisk vessel]

Tbh the only fairy type I'd be cool with adding at this point is like

Diancie

[slim bone]

yeah since zacian is gen 8

holding out hope for the day i can see an Artorias & Sif alt sprite of Ceruledge / Zacian

[high haven]

Slurpuff, Florges, Aromatisse, Ribombee. All of these are fairies I would choose to add

[tardy flame]

I have no particular love for any of them myself so, I feel no strong opinion on those

[slim bone]

zacian & mimikyu are the only fairy types i like. & i genuinely hate xerneas with a burning passion, it gives me nightmares

[high haven]

I was saying Florges just because it would get three fairies into the game, Aromatisse is the fairy that I want the most

[brisk vessel]

Just gonna hope that mythicals are allowed for the raffle so I can believe melo has a chance

[slim bone]

i'd like marshadow myself for a mythical

[cerulean wing]

Cutiefly and Ribombee would be a good addition

[cinder oasis]

Aromatisse stinks

It's ugly

[hollow quest]

florges and maybe ribombee are all i'd be interested in there

also alcremie but it's gen 8

[cinder oasis]

I would want Grimmsnarl

[lusty thorn]

Sure the creator said no Dusk because "it'd be too similar to midday" but that's an absolute copout, Dusk is without doubt the most popular Lycanroc form, it has good abilities, it's lore important, it's not even too similar to midday, it's colour scheme is different, it has a different mane, it has different spikes, it has a different head shape, it has different ears, it's not that similar at all

Even the body shape is actually different if you spent more than 5 seconds looking at it

And plus, the community would absolutely be able to think of some interesting fusion ideas for it, since it's basically already a fusion between midday and midnight

Not including dusk form for being "too similar" is basically just dismissing the communities ability to be creative with spritework

[civic lily]

I can agree with all the other points, but.......different head/ear/body shape? Wat

It's literally just Midday with Midnight's mohawk, what kind of Dusk Form did you see

[civic lily]

not sure, because the ones I want to get in are not in 🤷‍♂️

[lusty thorn]

I can definitely understand that it's hard to see at a glance, but, if you actually compare it with Midday and Midnight, or at least the official art of them, the differences are there

[high haven]

Yeah that's how aromas work. They are pleasantly stinky

[lusty thorn]

Question, am I allowed to post the official art of the lycanrocs in here to showcase the differences or no?

[high haven]

Yeah, that's allowed

[lusty thorn]

Okay so, I'll go down my points with the art this time.

Colour scheme is evident, same with eye colour. The mane is obviously a combination of Midday and Midnight in a way, it's wild like Midnight's, and has the spikes like Midday's. It has Midnight's more rounded and sloped snout in comparison to Midday's more blocky and squarish snout, as well as rounded ears, which is completely unique to it, as both Midnight and Midday have ears with incredibly pointy tips, this same comparison actually goes for the entirety of Dusk's body shape, as Midday has a very straight body shape, if you look at it's outline you'll see how there isn't a lot of curved lines, and it's almost all straight lines and angles, whereas Dusk's bodyshape actually has a fair few curved lines along it's outline, with a different thigh and rear shape entirely, it's front and back paws more closely resemble Midnight's paws, but in the four-legged position of Midday, Dusk also has a different tail, yes it looks similar to Midday's at a glance, but Midday's is more fluffy and tame, whereas Dusk's has more points coming off it and looks a bit thinner, it also has Midnight's chest tuft as well, and the white part of it's face is a different shape to both Midnight and Midday entirely

Saying that Dusk is "too similar to Midday" and would "make fusions too confusing and similar looking" is an insult to this community's ability to make incredibly beautiful, lore accurate and creative sprites

[brisk vessel]

You do realize basically none of these small details can be translated into sprite art

[lusty thorn]

So the entirely different head shape, mane, paw shape, body shape, and face marking cannot be translated into sprites?

[brisk vessel]

The mane is literally the only obvious point here

[lusty thorn]

That is false

[stone cliff]

I don't see any difference between paws, head shape (outside the mane), or body shape

[brisk vessel]

The rest of the details wouldn't really be a big enough difference from midday to warrant its own standalone addition

[lusty thorn]

Then you're not looking hard enough

[brisk vessel]

If I need to look hard then it's not worth it

[lusty thorn]

Alright fine, if it's "too similar" then I'll just, make a few examples myself and prove it, give me a few days or weeks and I'll get back to you on this

[brisk vessel]

If the differences are blindingly obvious like between Midday and Midnight then yea it would be worth an addition

[fair jewel]

🍿

[civic lily]

🤔

[hollow quest]

so you mentioned earlier that it would make good fusion potential because dusk is already like a fusion, but that doesn't that also mean it'd be perfect as not its own mon, but as an actual fusion instead?

[civic lily]

If nothing else, it's interesting how detailed your description is for the differences

[hollow dust]

many of these points can be explained as differences in persepctive. i thought it would be best to compare them when there in similar poses, and this happened

[fair jewel]

Lmao

[brisk vessel]

Yea

[high haven]

Okay I have confess: midday and dusk lycanroc despite having a different main shape and different body color and eye color are relatively the same in body shape like cool that they have a different shaped snoot new and slightly point to your ears but that's not going to do diddly squat when it's compressed into a Sprite

[stone cliff]

Dusk will almost definitely be an alt sprite, and its features will almost definitely be used in a majority of fusions. There is a chance that Tough Claws gets added to one of the other forms, as there is precedent for mons getting abilities they don't normally have (Unown has Mummy, Deliberd has Snow Warning)

[lusty thorn]

I would suggest that but, since it's already it's own pokemon with different stats and abilities, in my opinion it'd be a copout and a waste to just, make it a fusion

[brisk vessel]

The stats are literally just Midday but slower and stronger in attack by 2 points

[fair jewel]

This gif should be pinned

[hollow quest]

new abilities have been applied to mons in IF i believe, there's a possibility it could be coded as a hidden ability

[brisk vessel]

Also yea this should be pinned for emphasis

[lusty thorn]

Like I said, I'll make some sprites myself and prove that it should be added

[high haven]

Okay I'm pretty sure other people have this opinion but I strongly vouch the fact that Lycanroc midnight form should be Rock dark

[brisk vessel]

Lake and rock

[graceful torrent]

Rock dark is an awful typing don’t force that onto other Pokémon

[hollow dust]

the only moves that dusk gets that midday doesn't are Counter, Crush Claw, Outrage, and Reversal

[high haven]

I'm using text to speed for these words right now

[hollow quest]

don't waste your time

[fair jewel]

How did THAT get autocorrected to lake and rock?

[graceful torrent]

I hear it

[fair jewel]

Were u using voice to text and it mistook Lycanroc to Lake and Rock?

[lusty thorn]

It's not a waste if I'm passionate about it, and I truly believe that it can be done. It's an insult to this communities creativity to not include the most popular form of an already popular Pokemon just because it's "too similar" in someone's eyes

[fair jewel]

Bruh, u'rr killin it with facts

[hollow quest]

also since when is dusk the most popular, i only ever hear of midnight

[graceful torrent]

Dusk form lycanroc is unnecessarily hard to get >:(

[high haven]

Google's not going to know Pokemon names off the top of their head. Like for example Chevrolet

[fair jewel]

It is, but probably only because it was special

[graceful torrent]

Chevrolet is my favorite Pokémon

[lusty thorn]

I'm pretty sure it's been the most popular for a while, at least, I've never really heard someone say Midday is their favourite

[fair jewel]

If it wasn't originally an event form, ppl probably wouldn't care

[lusty thorn]

It was super important in the anime

[high haven]

That was meant to be Ceruledge

[brisk vessel]

Imma be honest and say that a lot of people weren't too happy with Lycanroc being added

Mainly that "it's a boring pick" (compared to the likes of Lurantis or Golisopod)

[fair jewel]

I'm unhappy cuz it wasn't Tsareena

[lusty thorn]

That's even more evidence to me then, if you're gonna add a Pokemon that people aren't gonna be happy with, then why didn't you add the most popular form that has the most intricate and interesting lore for people to draw from when making sprites?

[brisk vessel]

Fair enough
I wouldn't have been mad with a Tsareena spriter pick

[hollow quest]

well yeah, midday is one thing

[brisk vessel]

I mean the whole line in general
I don't see how dusk form fits into this

[hollow quest]

but i ALWAYS see midnight wherever i go and way less of dusk

[brisk vessel]

And I'm pretty sure midnight is the most popular one cuz haha werewolf

[lusty thorn]

Either way, I'm gonna make some sprites for it, and at least attempt to showcase that it should be added, there's no reason not to add it after all, it's still a Lycanroc, it's not Ash Greninja or something, it's a pokemon that you can actually catch

[stone cliff]

Dusk was also never shown in the vote to be fair

[fair jewel]

It's already been explained. Becuz it's too similar to Midday, and moveset wise it only has 4 moves unique to its form
If you wanted it for Tough claws, it'd be better to just give both Midday and Midnight form an extra HA with Tough Claws

[lusty thorn]

Even from a pure time and work perspective, it's one extra pokemon for the devs to add, that's supposedly so similar to Midday then why not just add it? It wouldn't take much work then

[high haven]

Yeah that's how I feel. I'm not saying they're boring Pokemon overall like they're cool, but when you put that Pokemon into a game where fusing pokemon together to make outrageous and beautiful designs, there are more interesting choices for better or for worse

[lusty thorn]

If it's so similar then, you've basically already got it made, just throw on a different mane and swap some colours

[fair jewel]

That's lazy

[brisk vessel]

Yea like Archeops 😁 (mythicals weren't included in the spriter pick)

[lusty thorn]

It's even lazier to not add it

[high haven]

That was the Pokemon that majority of the spriters wanted, huh? I mean good for them but come on.

[fair jewel]

I voted 0 for it

[brisk vessel]

I think it's more the fact that they were ok with it so they gave it a bunch of 2s and their favs 3s

[fair jewel]

Why don't u make your own game instead of complaining so much? Seems even lazier not to do so

[brisk vessel]

The 2s just happened to accumulate and build up (I personally gave it a 1)

[lusty thorn]

I said I'm gonna make sprites for it already

[hollow quest]

at the end of the day it was little more than a quirky event mon with only a few small changes to design and use, and that's why it was ultimately left out

[fair jewel]

Good for u then, so don't complain

[high haven]

Is that what happened? that the votes were so spread out between all these big mans that like and rock just had a bunch of mid votes and got in because of that even though really not all that many people wanted them?

[brisk vessel]

I feel like you could just use dusk form as a base for midday fusions and nobody would bat an eye

[lusty thorn]

I'm not complaining, I'm attempting to showcase why it should be added

[fair jewel]

Pretty much yeah

I think someone already submitted dusk form as a Midnight/Midday fusion

[hollow quest]

if it were gonna be added, the initial debate would've been enough to change it, a single person making a few fusions isn't going to change much now

[brisk vessel]

Yea I saw it too

[hollow quest]

it being a midday/midnight fusion makes the most sense to me

[brisk vessel]

Honestly we should just remove lycanroc and add a more interesting rock type 😁 (like minior Archeops)

[lusty thorn]

But then you lose all that potential, and also the original stats and ability of the Pokemon

[fair jewel]

Yeap, dunnoe why ppl are upset, u get your dusk form in the game as a fusion

[hollow quest]

some people get upset over small changes i guess

[fair jewel]

Any fusion that would've used dusk form would just be a recolored Midday fusion anyways, so it's such a waste

[high haven]

Not to spread hate but my God there's so many better options than like in Rock. Seviper, Mienshao, Zangoose, Cryagonal, hell even bruxish is more interesting than Laken Rock. That's my hot take right there

[lusty thorn]

It's not a small change, it's a full-blown different Pokemon with a unique story and for fucks sake if I hear one more person say it's just a recoloured Midday I'm gonna lose it

[high haven]

Out of every man that has been added so far rockruff and Laken Rock both forms are honestly not my favorite pic

[brisk vessel]

I would have genuinely preferred Cryogonal ngl

[rare schooner]

I suppose dusk wasn’t added because it would be nearly impossible to distinguish midday/dusk bodies?

[hollow quest]

yeah but is that story important for this game?

[lusty thorn]

You people are spriters for fucks sake, out of anyone, you people should be able to understand how interesting and intricate about it

[fair jewel]

It's just a recolored midday fusion, stop exaggerating

[high haven]

He was the first man that showed up on my vote list and I was like damn he is actually cool

[rare schooner]

reasonable

[lusty thorn]

Yes, because it gives interesting fusion potential, which is what this game is all about

[fair jewel]

And u are not a spriter, so stop telling spriters what they should do

[lusty thorn]

Have you done any research into it? At all?

[brisk vessel]

Why does a Pokemon's lore matter in a game about mashing 2 pokemon together to make abominations

[prisma willow]

Hey now, it's a recolored midday with a mohwak.

[high haven]

No it doesn't, outside of the colors and the shape of the neck floof nothing is different!

[lusty thorn]

I just explained that not 3 messages earlier

[fair jewel]

Ok u're right, it's a recolored midday with a mohawk
Sooooooo unique

[brisk vessel]

You just mentioned it has an interesting story

You never mentioned why that would be relevant to a silly fusion game at all

[lusty thorn]

Yes it does, it allows you to incorporate interesting elements that can make the fusion even more unique and interesting

[hollow dust]

i have to make an adendum because i was using the gen 9 movesets accidentlly, the only moves that dusk learns that midday doesn't are counter and thrash

[lusty thorn]

Can you not read?'

[high haven]

I'm genuinely upset now that this dog with just this dog with pointy hair got in over Seviper which is not even arguably a better design and better suited pic for a game like infinite fusion

[stone cliff]

I see more and more why the devs weren't thrilled with this pick

[weak trellis]

and counter is strangely treated as like a signature move for midnight form for some reason. not in the sense of "only one that gets it", more like "known for using it"

[brisk vessel]

Where did you say the story matters then

[high haven]

Give me one good example that isn't carried by another Pokemon

[hollow quest]

yeah well i'm sorry man, voting is voting

[lusty thorn]

Right here

[prisma willow]

This is reminding me of my salt over Goodra.

[brisk vessel]

That has literally nothing to do with it's lore though

[lusty thorn]

You really can't read

[prisma willow]

Is this what it looked like from the outside?

[hollow quest]

if we could just choose mons it'd be a lot different

like i'd add golisopod, salazzle and lurantis in the blink of an eye

[hollow dust]

its lore isn't all that interesting tbh

[brisk vessel]

Brother all you said was "it gives interesting fusion potential"

But how does it's story make it interesting material

Lore for a Pokemon literally doesn't matter unless the lore is it's entire gimmick like Mimikyu or Necrozma

[fair jewel]

"Dusk form is so unique it would give interesting fusion potential along with midday"
Meanwhile:

[high haven]

Those are good pics I like those Pokemon they're good designs. like like and rock is just a dog!

[stone cliff]

In terms of Pokemon that are just dogs I do like Lycanroc, but it is still kinda just a dog

[fair jewel]

Pretty much

[hollow quest]

golisopod could gain a better ability too, salazzle could give cool coloring and designs, and lurantis could give us PANTS and is adorable (i am not biased at all)

[brisk vessel]

Lurantis could give Contrary

[stone cliff]

The one I'm excited for is Midnight for the werewolf stuff but that's about it

[hollow quest]

that too, yeah

[brisk vessel]

(ain't nobody gonna be using Shuckle for contrary)

[hollow quest]

malamar is another option for that though tbf

[fair jewel]

Yeah, currently making Midnight fusions, but waiting for whether there's gonna be a Lycanroc contest or not

[rare schooner]

Rockruff could make some silly little guys
I like them
Minior would’ve been a lot better though

[prisma willow]

I was hoping for Lilligant and Golisopod but I've come to peace with now they're most likely not getting in

[brisk vessel]

Malamar is too but I prefer the funny Plantis

[stone cliff]

I do not disagree

[hollow quest]

minior is cool i guess, i never got too invested in it but its coloring is fun

[fair jewel]

i actually had a line of concepts ready for Malamar and Tsareena, but neither made it in so i'm sad 😦

[brisk vessel]

Minior would have been more interesting in terms of fusion material at least

[stone cliff]

I just like the idea of "unleashed" fusions, since we may be getting battle forms with Ultra Necrozma

[fair jewel]

Fck googly eyes rock, i prefer Lycanroc over it

[brisk vessel]

But as a standalone mon it is in fact pretty boring

[hollow quest]

the googly eyes are funny

[high haven]

Every other pic I don't care what you where you stand on those those are all good pics sableye tyrantrum garbadour orecorio sharpedo aurorus they all are unique with good designs and beautiful elements that you can implement into that for example the Aurora Borealis Tyrannosaurus Rex shark garbage gemstones of different colors all of which are beautiful. Wouldn't you ever living hell are you going to do with like and rock that's interesting, a dog would like pointy rocks? That can be done a thousand times better than with other Pokemon off the top of my head houndoom is a better dog Pokémon.

[brisk vessel]

My brother in Christ you need to stop using Speech to Text

[high haven]

No