pif-hoenn-discussion

[inland jewel]

alternatively they do the raffle and then give frogman the week to add it while we sit in silence.

[coral solar]

Ya know what I want?

For them to add in Audino.
And add in a rematchable trainer who uses all Audinos.

PURELY for easy EXP grinding

[inland jewel]

Frogman will make sure its not on any rematchable trainer

[fallen loom]

where is this animation from?

[white meadow]

I would love that cuz there is no real area to level your mons

[sterile spoke]

Blissey already exists. 😛

[orchid vault]

why not a blissey audino fusion XD

[full ether]

I am cool with whatever is added now since I got Goodra I am content

[clever atlas]

I got lycanroc tho

[smoky fractal]

me just hoping Zygarde makes the cut

Necrozma, Zygarde, Lycanroc, and Goodra were my hopes. 3/4 aint bad, but imagine the 4/4

[limber niche]

Unsure yet. A fair amount of new mons won't actually have new sprites at update. Hell, Lycanroc won't have custom sprites until the December pack since it was only announced this month unless they do a weird Lycanroc sprite pack to get some in sooner

[clever atlas]

Who doesn't tbf

[smoky fractal]

so wait how do i get the new pokemon?

[limber niche]

The update next weekend

[smoky fractal]

ok sweet, hope that doesnt mean i lose all progress, but even if it does, cool

I got a random shiny rayquaza that I would rather not lose

wish there was a way to see what the sprites would look like for different shiny variants

[orchid vault]

you can keep your saves as usual, you just won't have met the new pokemon in the ealy game areas (assuming there are some) like you might have on a new run

[hollow quest]

ultra sun/moon credits

[cedar merlin]

i hope the raffle winner picks something absurd. i'd love to see everyone freak out over luvdisc lmao

[smoky fractal]

what if you were on a randomizer? do you re-randomize to get the new ones in certain routes?

[cedar merlin]

that'd probably be a frogman question tbh. depends on hwo the randomizer works. you could probably visit the debugger dude in the center and re-randomizing would probably include the new pokemon?

[smoky fractal]

although I certainly would need to catch more arceus, deoxys, rayquaza, etc. then

[smoky fractal]

yeah Ill try that when it comes out

[orchid flare]

So any ideas for a good Froslass fusion?

[oak ravine]

Hydreigon and Rapidash are pretty cool

[restive arrow]

jirachi maybe

[frozen oracle]

Porygon Z is always fun

[orchid flare]

See the problem is it's hard to deal with all the weaknesses ice types have
Best I've been able to get it down to is 3 super effective types

[frozen oracle]

Chandelure would give you a ghost ice with flash fire

[cedar merlin]

don't gotta worry about the weaknesses if oyu pair it with another glass canon and it kills everything in one shot

[restive arrow]

what was the fastest ice type in IF before froslass got added again? because maybe you can kill two birds with one stone and get rid of secondary ghost typing for mono ice and speed control

[raw bison]

...Weavile, maybe?

[cobalt nebula]

Same. I got my regi’s.

[full ether]

Regis was a big dub to be honest I like all three so I got hyped when I say them being added

[cobalt nebula]

I persevered weeks of regi haters.

[coral solar]

Weavile is STILL the fastest ICe type, even with Froslass

[restive arrow]

idk how but I always forget about weavile

what the introduction of chien pao into gen 9 does to a mf (i have forgotten the panic that weavile caused my ground-spam teams in gen 8)

[frozen oracle]

Fuse froslass with yanmega speed boost and make it the fastest ice type

[coral solar]

Or you could fuse Weavile with Blaziken Speed Boost for the faster fastest Ice type

[cedar merlin]

I got sharpedo so same lol. I do wish furfrou and purugly would've gotten in, but I can deal with just sharpedo.

[tame flax]

There's a lot of popular mons I'm surprised didn't get in

[coral solar]

And so many people acting like this is the only time new mons will ever be getting added to the game ever

[tame flax]

I'm not sure if it's been officially said that there will be another poll

[raw bison]

Eh there's no telling if/when it'll ever happen again

[cobalt nebula]

If there was a chance for more to get in, it’s probably just be a starter poll

That’s my guess

[coral solar]

IMO that's like saying "They haven't officially stated if/when/where the next Olympic Games will take place so there probably won't be one"

[weak trellis]

purug has a hard enough time making it into vanilla pokemon rofl

[cedar merlin]

i thought they said this was the absolute max they could put in? or did they change that stance?

[coral solar]

Where tf did you hear that

[cobalt nebula]

Those are decided years in advance

[coral solar]

It was an example off the top of my head, gimme time to come up with a better one

[raw bison]

Except the Olympic games have a tradition and set schedule

[cedar merlin]

I just though that's what they said prior to adding these, but I could be wrong lol. I was always told it was a spacing issue with the program they built the game on

[raw bison]

This was the first time after years of "there will not be new pokemon so don't ask"

[cedar merlin]

yeah, that's what i was primarily referencing. for years it was an absolute no due to "spacing and programming issues"

[coral solar]

Until frogman discovered a way to code in all of the fusions that doesn't require them to have individual code slots, which in turn freed up a massive amount of room in the game.

[raw bison]

I don't think it's expected that this is the last one, but we have no idea when or how any more will be added

[coral solar]

I imagine there likely won't be another New Mons event for at least another year, but I'd be shocked and apalled if this were the last one

[finite thistle]

The lack of the Nebby line to go with Necrozma is definitely the part that annoys me the most

[coral solar]

Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard repeatedly that they've already said that they're gonna add in the remaining starters at some point since they won the initial polls by a landslide, but didn't want 90% of the new mons getting added in this update to be just starters

[cinder oasis]

Womp womp

[cedar merlin]

Honestly I'd be pretty happy with the game even if it's the last time we get a new set of mons. It's a free game with already a few hundred thousand different lil dudes to play around with. You could probably play the game a few thousand times and have a completely unique team each time lol

obviously new pkmn are fun, but I'm defintiely more than happy with the game in its current state already

[tame flax]

Man, I'd hate to have voted under the assumption there'd be more and learn that there's a good chance there might not be

[finite thistle]

I am pretty excited for Aurorus and Toxapex

[raw bison]

But without any Word of Frog we can only guess, and of course people who's favorites didn't get in are antsy. A lack of certainty isn't the same thing as a certainty of lack, but with nothing to work with there's no good way to guess

[cedar merlin]

i wonder if any of the new mons will be added to the gyms leader's teams?

[raw bison]

Unrelated but I was busy this weekend so I didn't get to see the doggo till today, but good doggo. Glad we got the two base forms

[finite thistle]

No Guard on a Rock type is pretty cool, especially with how bad the Rock type coverage is in this game

[lofty spindle]

Gotta fight for Accelrock to stay a move expert move now though.

[white meadow]

also the fact that almost no rock moves have 100% accuracy

[coral solar]

I want to meet whoever at GameFreak decided that every single Rock attack should have <90 accuracy, so I can slap them

[cinder oasis]

Hopefully it does

[cinder oasis]

That's the main reason why rock types are so mid

[finite thistle]

Though, not getting Dusk does mean that if anyone wants Tough Claws the only option is the Barnicles lol

[cedar merlin]

you could say rock moves have a pretty rocky chance of hitting

[lofty spindle]

It is the will of the people.

It is Frog's game, but I do think we should be given a reason at the very least.

[coral solar]

Oh wait, Power Gem exists guys.

You know, Power Gem. That one Special Rock attack.

On a type where there isn't a single mon with above 60 Sp.A

[lofty spindle]

Unless they're a real gem.

[white meadow]

i mean offensively it is technically the best since it's the only one that has more types weak to it than resist

[lofty spindle]

And hey, speaking of Move Expert, at least Fairy/Rock and Steel/Rock get to use Diamond Storm.

[coral solar]

Rock is newly famous for being one of only two types that would be supereffective against Arceus if Arceus were actually every type

[white meadow]

damn it you reminded me that diancie didn't make it

[coral solar]

The other type is Fairy. Because of course it is.

[lofty spindle]

If it did we would not have this, yet another reason to shake the server a little,

Also it's news to me that Fairy would be super effective.

[white meadow]

wym, it's se on fighting, dragon and dark but resisted by steel, poison and fire?

[frozen oracle]

I think it's neutral

[white meadow]

ye that's what im saying, fairy does not have more se hits than resists

[clever atlas]

Im just thinking that, shit don't add up

[finite thistle]

There's at least 3 Rock types with over 60 spA that learn Power Gem. Lunatone has 95

[white meadow]

hey diancie has 100!

[finite thistle]

And that's in its non-mega form, the girl is a menace

[coral solar]

Two of which aren't in the game lol, and Probopass barely counts

[finite thistle]

Though, I do find it funny that you're still usually using Diamond Storm because even if it's reliable, Power Gem isn't the highest base power

Even though Diamond Storm is physical

[cedar merlin]

i think rock types definitely suffer from being an og type + not being very popular, so a lot of their older moves just... haven't been revamped or given much love lol

[white meadow]

which is can be good against special walls like chansey

and diancie has equal offensive stats

[finite thistle]

That's fair, it just makes the mon pretty tricky to build since you value pretty much every stat

[frozen oracle]

Power gem used to be a cosmetic based move when it was introduced

[white meadow]

too bad the loss of her mega kinda destroyed her viability

[cedar merlin]

rock types are to types as flareon is to the rest of the eeveelutions lmao. Opportunity to be great, but gets very little love from gamefreak

[coral solar]

All-type Arceus is immune to Poison because it's also part Steel type, making the score 3/2 in Fairy's favor

[lofty spindle]

Oh speaking of Rock-types, I once had an idea for a Rock-type move.

[white meadow]

that's not how resistances work breh

[coral solar]

That is exactly how resistances work

An Electric/Flying type is immune to Ground despite being part electric

[cinder oasis]

Yeah it's unfortunate they're given no love

[clever atlas]

Nah you're forgetting something

[white meadow]

bro what does that have to do with fairy

[lofty spindle]

I call it "Rock Biters", referencing that many Rock-types are lithovore rock eaters.
"The user crushes the target between rock-hard teeth, sometimes lowering its defense."

80 base strength, contact move, physical, 100 accuracy.

[frozen oracle]

Still wild that bug was the worst offensive type in gen 5 and they decide to make it worse in gen 6

[white meadow]

a steel poison type doesn't lose it's poison resistances because it's immune to it's own type

[lofty spindle]

And yes it'd be a bite-move, meaning Tyrantrum's ability would affect it.

[finite thistle]

I will never understand why Pokemon was so stingy with Strong Jaw and Mega Launcher

[lofty spindle]

Mega launcher gets plenty nice support.

[white meadow]

2 whole pokemon, one of which is a mega

[clever atlas]

Finally tyrantrum gets a stab move off of strong jaw

[frozen oracle]

Mega launcher only works on 6 moves

[finite thistle]

Like, it took us until gen 8 to get a Pokemon with 2 stabs for Strong Jaw and we still don't have something like that for Mega Launcher

[clever atlas]

7*

[lofty spindle]

Could also work as an option for many other Rock-types, Lycanroc for example would make total sense, meaning Dusk could get a stab-move that benefits from Tough Claws.

[clever atlas]

Also very pog

[coral solar]

Oh wait I see. Hold up. Yeah you're right.
I got my wires super crossed. This is what I get for trying to do math at 11 at night

[white meadow]

fire

[frozen oracle]

Iron first is like the lowest percentage for boosting abilities

[cinder oasis]

It should get a buff to 35% because Tough claws is better in every way

[finite thistle]

That's a good point, Iron Fist has been around for ages and its always been pretty meh

So meh, that they turned it into an item that you can't even stack lol

[frozen oracle]

Sharpness gets 50 percent on moves at 90 bp

Majority punching moves are 75

[frozen oracle]

Wait you can't stack it??

[pure flower]

They tend to be 90BP with an enhanced crit ratio

[frozen oracle]

Rip HA infernape

[hidden carbon]

Contrary infernape when

[coral solar]

Why is Infernape's HA Iron Fist again?

Did Sun Wukong famously like to punch people?

[cinder oasis]

They should give lanturn Tail glow and Regenerator

A lot of the older pokemon need buffs in general cus they're way too weak compared to newer ones that have up to 100 higher bst than them

[hidden carbon]

Would be nice if close combat at least counted for iron fist considering even meteor mash does

[frozen oracle]

Things like staraptor and arcanine learn close combat so maybe they don't consider it just punching

[fresh owl]

More so troll them with clones and bop them on teh head with his staff.

[frozen oracle]

Also barraskewda

[coral solar]

Close Combat is described as "An all-out assault at close range without guarding itself".
So by definition it does not require punching to be involved, it just so happens that most mons that learn the move attack by punching

[frozen oracle]

I think the worst starter HA is blastoise rain dish or swamperts damp

[hushed mantle]

Meganium’s leaf guard

[frozen oracle]

I stand corrected

[lofty spindle]

Meganium moment.

[copper furnace]

so i don't remember/know, are the new pokemon actually in the game rn? like, the version you get now when downloading it

[slim otter]

Not yet

[cedar merlin]

no, should be next weekend

[copper furnace]

so next weekend would be a possible game update?

[cedar merlin]

or maybe this weekend? next is kind of subjective. like, if i say next tuesday, that could be tomorrow OR next week, right?

[copper furnace]

'cause i've been sorting out the sprites for the pokemon which is taking a while and i've just been dropping the new pokemon sprites into a different folder

[ebon glacier]

next year :D

[cinder oasis]

This Saturday or sunday

[cedar merlin]

hey tbf, that's not too far away at this point! 2024 is upon us soon

[stone cliff]

According to the announcement, it should be this weekend

[lofty spindle]

Hm... thinking about my Primape/Scolipede moveset... is there a way for it to obtain Aqua Tail, since it is normally gained via move tutor.

[frozen oracle]

Maybe a move tutor... it definitely had it in gen 7

Scolipede is going to be fun fusions
I feel like it and gyarados will go well together

[lofty spindle]

Yeah exactly, but was there one in the game?

[frozen oracle]

In the sevii island there should be

[lofty spindle]

If there is then I cannot find it on the wiki.

Well, here are my current thoughts before I head to bed.

[quaint grotto]

if dusk isnt gonna make it, then midday's hidden ability should be tough claws instead of steadfast

[alpine rune]

Never thought I'd see a Refrigerate Boomburst in years

Bro bout to create the ice age

[lofty spindle]

Screamed so hard that the concept of heat fled.

And then he causes a Heat Wave.

[alpine rune]

Screamed so hard the mcdonalds ice cream machine worked again

[lofty spindle]

So this is why they kept it out of order, it was too powerful.

And yeah, moves with two options are unconfirmed to be supported next version.

Also "Spectral Arrow" is supposed to be Spirit Shackle.

[radiant briar]

Will all the sprites posted in gallery this week be added to the update this weekend?

[stone cliff]

Y'know, I do wonder if they're gonna wait till next sprite pack

[radiant briar]

The reason I was think they will include this week is because all the lycanroc fusions are in it

[fresh salmon]

Dusk form:

I mean I get dusk and midday fusions would be too similar

[wanton coral]

So we aren't getting the only version that would introduce a new ability?????

How cringe

[tranquil path]

i mean it wasnt in the lycanrock part of the poll so its unfair to expect it if it wasnt there

[fresh salmon]

Lycanroc is definitively a great addition

Just that if all 3 forms couldn't make it in I wish dusk replaced mid day because of tough claws and a brighter colour palette

Though I get mid day is like the standard Lycanroc form

[winter folio]

I have a question about the future update it's "only" new pokemon added that you can find in the grass or is there new content in the story with news zones, trainers and events?

[tranquil path]

i dont think they said anything about where they will be found that im aware of

[stone cliff]

We honestly don't know 100%

[wanton coral]

My thoughts exactly

[stone cliff]

We're definitely going to get events or something for the legendaries, but in terms of story or quests we have no idea

[stone cliff]

I don't think the devs have spoken on it, but there is precedent for changing/adding abilities on pokemon. Snow Warning on Deliberd and Mummy on Unown for example

[tranquil path]

UNOWN HAS MUMMY WHAT

[stone cliff]

Yeet, it's a HA

[tranquil path]

see i avoided unown like the plague so thats new to me. baller

[stone cliff]

I can also see dusk form being an alt sprite for midday, and for fusions to use dusk's color scheme

[tranquil path]

100% someones gonna make an alt sprite

[stone cliff]

I can't wait to see the raffle winner raffle some feathers

Cuz you know that no matter what it is, it's gonna get hate for being the last one

[tranquil path]

ill proably be fine with whatever they choose as long as it isnt like furfrou

[cinder oasis]

Everybody avoids it

It's literally the worst pokemon of all time

[mystic rivet]

I'll be doing a randomizer still, but I might just swap sableye's other half whenever it faints, or I get another one of the added 45.

[winter folio]

Ok thanks it'll be a surprise next week haha

[mystic rivet]

It'd be cool if all the added pokemon were static encounters so I could do a randomizer, but still have them locked in place and easy to find.

[tranquil path]

my guess itll be a sprinkle of a bit of everything: static, added to existing routes, maybe a radar encounter

[mystic rivet]

I only know where to find trubbish and sandyghast

[white meadow]

I think that Bruxish is ugly as hell

I personally don't like it

[mystic rivet]

But those are the pokemon the spriters have to be the most creative with.

[loud sorrel]

NO BRUXISH
unless youre planning on getting every mon from gens 1-7 in game i dont want bruxish

[stone cliff]

As a spriter, don't put that evil on me

[loud sorrel]

i hope they dont add oranguru and passimian
theyre such nothing filler pokemon
would not miss them

carbink line you can ditch
diancie basically outclasses it

[deep grotto]

none of the pokemon I voted for have been added yet ;0;

[loud sorrel]

there are some random normal type mammals that rent really necessary to the game, it be fine to leave those out

[loud sorrel]

oh im sorry to hear that
which pokemon were you hoping for

[deep grotto]

Tsareena was my number one pick. plus a bunch of others from the sun/moon era.

oop, I take that back, the sand castle is in

[loud sorrel]

yeah gen 7 has a lot of cool pokemon aside from bruxish lol

[deep grotto]

no argument there, bruxish is wretched.

[loud sorrel]

i was personally hoping for lurantis and some ultra beasts but i doubt itll happen

[deep grotto]

saaame

lurantis looks amazing and has some real neat moves/skills.

[loud sorrel]

yeah
still holding out a bit of hope for it
but ultimately ill be at least a little happy for any pokemon that gets in

[white meadow]

have you seen the lobster with the giant claw? I wanted that mon in

also Dewpider because it's cute

[loud sorrel]

the clauncher line? yeah that looks cool

[stone cliff]

Clawitzer is one that I'm surprised didn't get in

[tranquil path]

pure water has a lot of competition so its ability and move pool are really the big draws to it outside of visuals

[stone cliff]

Someone was saying that origin pulse would work with its ability

[cinder oasis]

I'm surprised there's no Golisopod

[stone cliff]

Honestly same

[high haven]

That's the one guy I thought was definitely getting in

[bleak leaf]

Oh boy. Deoxys + Necrozma is going to be amazing

[hollow creek]

maractus

we have one cactus we dont need the other

[ebon glacier]

no one started it yet, what idea do you have in mind for the sprite? :o

[bleak leaf]

Off the top of my head it would be Deoxys wearing Necrozma-like armor (like solgaleo and lunala do) and maybe doing something with the Orb on Deoxy's chest in relation to being a light source. Seeing as Necrozma goes after light energy

Deoxy's body could be lighter tone to reflect its form now being pure light energy

Which also happened to these two in the main game.

[ebon glacier]

interesting!

I'll start sketching then 🎨

which deoxys form?

maybe attack form

[bleak leaf]

The formes would absolutely affect the placement and shape of the armor too. Maybe Defense Forme would have the bulky Necrozma arms and claws. Similar to how bulky looking Defense Deoxys is

[prime dust]

hnm

i feel like speed form + necrozma could make a good Xlr8

[ebon glacier]

what's xlr8?

[prime dust]

Ben 10 alien

[ebon glacier]

there's a lot of ben 10 alien

someone prob made xlr8 already :p

[ebon glacier]

that's a lizard :p

salazzale + deoxy maybe

[ebon glacier]

I think I overdid it 😂

[bleak leaf]

The orb in the jaw piece is a solid idea

[ebon glacier]

jaw piece?

[ebon glacier]

the chest?

yeah, that circle thing is the orb

[bleak leaf]

Yeah Necrozma's chest in its prism form is the jaw/upper mouth of its Ultra Form

[junior blaze]

Not having all the Lycanrocs is a little dissapointing

But like bro could have chosen Bruxish to mess with us we're in a good timeline

[bleak leaf]

Yeah the new additions to the roster are insane. Going to be some amazing fusions

Super Happy the Regi Trio got in the door

[fair jewel]

Lycanroc is spriters vote, which is essentially a majority vote, so Bruxish had no chance.
We still have contest raffles to fck up

It just takes a troll to win

[junior blaze]

Wait the contest one didn't happen yet

I thought the spriter thing WAS the contest

[stone cliff]

Nope, that was Spriter's Choice

The Raffle is the contest winner one

[junior blaze]

Wait so is the disco guy the contest winner or was he spriter's choice

Ok I checked Rockruff was spriter's choice but was that their vote or no

[prime dust]

discoblob was the trev rush winner

they got thrown into the winner's raffle which hasn't been held yet

[shy harbor]

Are these Pokémon added in an update or are they just being announced?

[prime dust]

#announcements

[junior blaze]

Added on Saturday I think

[shy harbor]

What’s already been added?

[prime dust]

again, check the announcements

[junior blaze]

How long have we been getting reveals for the expanded dex like 4 months now

[shy harbor]

I did it doesn’t say

[junior blaze]

None, nothing, nada. They're all getting dumped at once and may not be wise to use for a while they are extremely likely to not have custom fusions

[prime dust]

yep, doesn't say at all

[shy harbor]

I’m not talking about rockruff, I saw that I’m talking about mostly necrozma

[prime dust]

sigh

none of it has been added in yet

[shy harbor]

K, that’s all I needed to know

[prime dust]

um

that is accurate...give or take

[junior blaze]

I checked it's 3

[prime dust]

aug>sept>oct>nov

[junior blaze]

I mean November hasn't really happened yet it's only been 3 full months

[silent acorn]

Someone said they dislike furfrou I am voting furfrou 3 next time

[limber niche]

I think I'm the only person who genuinely voted high for Furfrou lmao

[silent acorn]

I mean

[limber niche]

Yeah it's just a dog but it's gimmick is it's hairstyles which I think would be fun to sprite

[silent acorn]

I had other stuff... Had to sabotage competition somehow. But I think out of the dogs is solid. Anything is more solid than. Mannectric. It has a good ability

I repeat me no likey Electric dog

[tame flax]

That was uncalled for

[silent acorn]

If they are a ghost I can pet em, evil I can give them a treat, fairy I'll get cursed but it's worth it. Electric and fire ouch my hand

Seriously though, I really hate the stuff they make for electric dogs

[tame flax]

I'm pretty sure you mixed up some of those types

[silent acorn]

Ghost can become tangible maybe
Fairies are mischievous
Dark they are just grumpy.

Only if you give them negative energy

[tame flax]

Ghosts literally curse things

[silent acorn]

I prefer ghosts anyway, it's sweet how they'll hang around you even dead

[tame flax]

Greavard literally sucks the life out of you

[silent acorn]

What did I need the life for without dogs anyway?

[tame flax]

Other dogs

[silent acorn]

But you know it's dumb cuz many pokemon have things that kill you and yet they dont

[tame flax]

Like slurpuff and manectric

[silent acorn]

Slurpuff, leave manectric in the doghouse

[boreal crypt]

I'm just holding on hope for serperior line to be added.

[junior blaze]

Excited to see all the sandcastles people make with palossand

[silent acorn]

Seriously almost anything works for dogs except for electric I don't know why

[tame flax]

Might just be you

[silent acorn]

Like electric I tend to image felines not dogs

By the way I don't know if it counts but raikou is the only one of those and I don't know if it counts as a cat or what

[tame flax]

Seems like a you thing

[iron quartz]

The update drops next weekend?

[tame flax]

Given the size of his fangs, I'd call him a feline

[iron quartz]

I THOUGHT IT DROPS IN MAYBE LIKE DECEMBER OR JANUARY

[silent acorn]

Nope next week

[iron quartz]

I wonder how long did this even take

[high haven]

Man if I had a nickle for every two stage line of electric canine Pokémon, I would have two nickles. Which isn't alot but it's weird it's happened twice

[silent acorn]

About a month and 3 weeks

[tame flax]

3 months and some change

[high haven]

This all started at the beginning of august

[silent acorn]

Yeah I don't know why they repeat it, there is not a lot to explore. Also boltund dog is worse than a wolf in England of all places

[tame flax]

That's just gen 8 being gen 8

[high haven]

They should have made a wolf in London pokemon for galar

[silent acorn]

Like you ain't gonna get to add the European wolf unless you use the Germany or italian area anymore

[tame flax]

We got some bangers as soon as they removed the bri'ish

[silent acorn]

Bri'ish theme can suck it. Only the fairytale were worth it. UFOs and radiators too

[high haven]

I was just typing out something for orbeetle

[silent acorn]

Hell legends are the most basic ones shame they are wolves

I can read minds gage

[tame flax]

Like I said, as soon as the British guy on the team was gone we got some bangers

[silent acorn]

Was there one? Is that why the Ed Sheran at the credits?

[high haven]

Orbeetle is unironically the best route 1 bug type pokemon so far in my opinion

[tame flax]

Nah, James turner

He left game freak after gen 8

[silent acorn]

Welp now we get more bangers, no offense to the British but Jesus do they suck coming up with new stuff

[tame flax]

That's why they steal everyone else's stuff to put into their museums

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-staples-fax-it-do-be-facts-tho-its-the-truth-gif-16329641

Funny we got not so many museum stuffs in the bri'ish region.

Like the legends are legends they are prophecies yadeee yadaaaa I played black I know what a true legend foreshadowing is.

Like the second gym you see the special orb being called meaningless it's hilarious

[tame flax]

Pffft

Of course they wouldn't, it'd make the bri'ish look bad

[silent acorn]

Eh what's to lose? They smell bad anyways

[high haven]

I don't really like the Gen 8 starters

[silent acorn]

But Seriously people wanna complain about lacking originality just look at Zacian and Zamazenta and tell me those are good

Like goddamn Reshiram and Zekrom look more like a duo, those doggos are so bad dude

[high haven]

Because black & white

[silent acorn]

No wonder they reverted back to time stuff for gen 9

Next Gen I want magic and might honestly, those are more opposing. Or brawn and brain.

[tame flax]

say what you want about the bugs and glitches

[silent acorn]

Bugs rock

Glitches are just a guy playing with his hardware too much

[tame flax]

theres some peak designs in gen 9

[high haven]

Hell yes

[silent acorn]

YESSSS I love it.

Like opera cocodrile? Magician cat? Festival Donald Duck? SIGN ME IN FAM

[tame flax]

while i never used him, i love how much of a sub-subversion skeledirge is

[silent acorn]

Its why he is the best modern starter honestly. Just on point.

[high haven]

Lokix, Tinkaton, the past paradox mons, Iron Valiant, the starters, hell Valuza looks really cool with it taking itself apart like that

[silent acorn]

Granted Galar unfortunately keeps one of the better regional birds

[tame flax]

that, and depending on how you look at him, someone will always be triggered

[alpine rune]

What does next weekend mean btw

does it mean this week or next week

[warm prism]

The weekend that is next to arrive

[high haven]

Saturday/Sunday so in about a work week

[tame flax]

because as it turns out, in specifically a spanish context, crocs got a lot of ties to snakes, do with that information as you will

[alpine rune]

so this week's weekend?

[silent acorn]

Actually find it funny that is a fact Crocs actually get along with a good amount of animals

[tame flax]

theyre pretty social

[alpine rune]

Sorry for the confusion tho cuz they posted that on monday at my time

[high haven]

Bruh I picked Fuecoco because they are an incredible derp and immediately stole my heart. The burnt orange was the cherry on top

[silent acorn]

Time traveler teach me your ways

[tame flax]

i went for meowscarada, i love the phantom thief asthetic

[silent acorn]

It is great and quite a bit of what delphox should have been like

[alpine rune]

Japan lives 1 day ahead from america so they time travelled during pe-

[tame flax]

i do wish meow was a special attacker tho, havent had a dedicated special attacking grass type starter, without a hidden ability, since gen 3

[silent acorn]

They wake up looking at the screaming sun

[high haven]

And when they became a crocodile with a baby bird that doubles as a rocket on its snoot she became my top favorite starter

[alpine rune]

[silent acorn]

I was actually quite disappointed with arboliva kinda expected more.

Its a new typying combo but like... It just don't get me excited

[tame flax]

i meant starter, but that too

sawsbuck

[silent acorn]

I think the spicy twins are nice tho

Sawsbuck is just a freaking gem aesthetically and gameplay is fun.

[alpine rune]

I kinda wish arboliva just get grassy surge instead of seed sower

Something thats not Monkey for once as a grass setter

[high haven]

I don't really like Arbolivia. Though it wasn't a nuzlocke, they did cause my Naclstack to faint in a big battle

[silent acorn]

Sucks. I love naclstack

[tame flax]

garganacl tho

[silent acorn]

I love that whole line, is just pleasant to look at.

[high haven]

So straight to the depths of the PC with them

[next flare]

Unrelated, Triple quadruped canine fusion
Growlithe, Houndour, Rockruff

[silent acorn]

this is just nice too look at you know?

[alpine rune]

Ive come to like garganacl

hes very funny, and I dont mean in a minecraft way

[stone cliff]

After they put Minecraft in smash, it was only a matter of time before they added it to pokemon

[silent acorn]

little troublemaker looking nice

[high haven]

I wasn't sure about Nacli since they were a Mario mushroom, but after seeing Garganacl they got me

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I was the reverse where I wanted more mushroom but instead golem. I don't dislike garg and we still got a mushroom buuuuut

[silent acorn]

oh neat this one is animated

[high haven]

https://tenor.com/view/cheesestrings-dancing-suave-cool-as-ice-sax-gif-14867393

[silent acorn]

He do be looking fine

[high haven]

This was the only one I could find

[weak trellis]

also arbo's one of those "...why is this normal typed?" mons alongside the helios for me

[silent acorn]

the more you look at them the more you wonder why it took so long.

I like to image one day there will be a plant/electric potato pokemon, I can dream

The day they make the tortilla pokemon it'll be water/plant

[stone cliff]

IDC about the designs, I just love the names

[high haven]

The only non Gen 9 mons I had were Hypno & Seviper named Lost Cause & Excalibur respectively

[silent acorn]

Wattato

[high haven]

Killowattato

[stone cliff]

Gigawattato

[silent acorn]

Perfeto

[stone cliff]

It writes itself

[high haven]

We have our line

[silent acorn]

It'll be a funny line that would be great not gonna lie.

[high haven]

Absolutely

[silent acorn]

Imagine gigawattato is just a bunch of the potato pokemon attached like a freaking mecha

And they all just say tato tato tato as they attack

[stone cliff]

Honestly kinda surprised there isn't a potato Mon yet

Although I feel like if there was an official one it would be Grass/Ground

[silent acorn]

I know right kinda goofy for how common they are

I think the dragon fruit pokemon is way more off. That one would be not dragon exactly

More like... Maybe.... Rock or steel

For the simple fact you get them from cactus

Actually how would you type that one?

We got apples out of that way what fruits can they mess around with?

[cobalt nebula]

There’s still not a platypus pokemon, which is like the closest animal irl to a pokemon if you ask me

[silent acorn]

Counterpoint the mother freaking hummingbirds sound like a pokemon and I ain't seeing them

Like a little bird that flies ultrafast and just goes shlllllrp out of people is something I haven't seen

https://tenor.com/view/janerhpsss-janerhps-bird-gif-15032027

Deadliest beak in the old west

[obtuse silo]

With speed boost

And baton pass

[pure flower]

Isn't that Golduck?

[junior blaze]

Hummingbirds are weird

"What if we had a bird that died if it wasn't moving 24/7"

[fair jewel]

Spoink moments

[iron quartz]

spoink

[alpine rune]

spoink

[junior blaze]

Spoink IS a hummingbird

I think it's interesting that if you think about it Spoink calls into question the nature of pokeballs

Are they and their bodies put into stasis inside the ball or is there space to move around

[weak trellis]

hummingpig

[daring bane]

I've heard the new Pokemon anime shows what the inside of a pokeball looks like

I haven't watched it yet myself though

[calm hawk]

No golisopod :(

[glass dust]

im guessing no new pokemon anymore?

[calm hawk]

buwomp

[brisk vessel]

Last one is the rafflepick

[glass dust]

oh cool

[fossil trail]

Rockruff is... Fine I guess

Doesnt give a lot of new shapes or concepts for spriters to work with

[pure flower]

They're probably put in stasis. They're shrunk in the pokeball, but generally should still be able to keep themselves going

[lofty spindle]

We do know Pokémon are concious of their sorrounding in a Pokéball though, and can exit them at will.

[loud sorrel]

if nothing else its just another dog to fill out the roster some more

[cinder oasis]

I think it’s pretty good

[fossil trail]

It's cute, but with how many sprites are needed for a single mon, having spots that dont bring anything to the table...

[dark prism]

Yeah I like rockruff but I have to admit it was a pretty boring choice, I was more excited for the possibility of accelerock than it itself

Not to hate on the spriter choice or anything it coulda been worse

[lofty spindle]

Ironically we used to have Accelrock as a move expert option, and may loose it now since Lycanroc is in the game.

[dark prism]

oh

Well then

[lofty spindle]

#game-suggestions message

Yeah I can only recommend supporting this again.

[fossil trail]

[little rose]

wait, no dawn doggo?

[clever atlas]

[prime dust]

he'll likely end up as an alt

[round gale]

Could fuse Midday and Midnight versions to get Dusk.

Just checked and it's been made https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1171322909004935169

[tame flax]

but it wouldnt have dusks best feature

[pure flower]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/6dcd8e1b-b8ff-4adb-a36b-ff049854c465/dafpft2-3019d6f9-3110-40f0-97ee-2890c77032e6.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_502,q_75,strp/lurantis_by_all0412-dafpft2.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJpc3MiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwic3ViIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl0sIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiIvZi82ZGNkOGUxYi1iOGZmLTRhZGItYTM2Yi1mZjA0OTg1NGM0NjUvZGFmcGZ0Mi0zMDE5ZDZmOS0zMTEwLTQwZjAtOTdlZS0yODkwYzc3MDMyZTYuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEwMjQiLCJoZWlnaHQiOiI8PTUwMiJ9XV19.rewG9U-1bUF3_26k36pl3O6kSTp6jvLJi5jBhEFuv4c

Just a neat image I like.

[tame flax]

oh yeah

isnt there one more mon? like there was a spriter poll, but wasnt there a raffle too?

[pure flower]

Yes

I believe what's chosen in the raffle will probably be put into a random choice selection thing

[prime dust]

?

[pure flower]

at least that's what the wording came off as

[prime dust]

i mean the winner of the raffle will be random, but the mon they choose won't be; from what i've heard second hand; winner's make a list of mons

they have their "top pick" which is "this is the thing I would want in, no questions asked", and then they also pick back ups just in case the mon they had in their top slot is revealed via the community poll, or as a bonus

[pure flower]

aa I see

[prime dust]

i assume that for the earlier winners that'd be more problematic because who knows how far down that list they had to go...or if they had to make a new one because everything they wanted got in

but Disco and Xeno have the advantage in that only 1 mon got revealed

[novel igloo]

Btw Is this the last time we get new pokemon added to the game?

[prime dust]

maybe

[clever atlas]

I've still got a lot of Pokémon i'd really like to see
–––––––––––––––
Archeops
Beheeyem
Clawitzer
Drampa
Drapion
Durant
Eelektross
Excadrill
Golisopod
Mienshao
Vikavolt
Xurkitree

[prime dust]

its not set in stone that no more will be added after this

thanks to how the game now sees fusions; we technically have room for like a lot more generations of mons

the main factor in getting more is time

[clever atlas]

Honestly im surprised there's been little to no vikavolt support

[prime dust]

the only mons that have a higher chance of getting added in are the Gen 5, 6 and 7 starters

we made it abundantly clear we wanted them

[novel igloo]

Good to know theres a chance for espurr to still make it lol

[lofty spindle]

It is definitely nice, but there is others we wanted more direly first.

[pure flower]

there will probably be more pokemon added in the future, just may be a few months out or so once Frog is motivated and personally wanting to add more

[clever atlas]

I don't mean just now, i mean in general, throughout the months
I thought vikavolt was pretty popular

[prime dust]

well without them posting the poll results, we'll never know [and Hypnotoad only did that partially once to let us know the starters got dq'ed]

[pure flower]

Yup. Dq'd with a possibility of them being added in the future

I'd imagine after the raffle pokemon, the starters would probably all be added next

[clever atlas]

Maybe frog Will just pick a set to add now and the other 2 will come later

[pure flower]

That'd probably cause more friction then it'd be to add all of them as a group in a few months time

Having contests for each set of starters leading up to their release

[prime dust]

^

with Gen 6 leading the charge in that regard since they had the highest vote of the starters

[pure flower]

So. Unova Starter Contest: about two weeks, giving people chances to do fusions for the Unova starters.

Then Kalos Starter contest, 2 weeks. Then Alola Starter Contest

Doing it in order of generations is thematically more interesting, at least to me.

[prime dust]

eh...I'd rather they add them in order of popularity than generation

long as there is like a 3-4 month gap inbetween them being added

[pure flower]

Well. In truth it doesn't matter who goes first

Since they all arrive at the same time. For all we know, the Alola group will go first

[prime dust]

also contests usually only last 1 week tops [barring rush events]

[pure flower]

Actually. It could be instead be based on the typings

Though. Grass starters would probably be a bit more popular thanks to Decidueye and Serperior

.. speaking of snake pokemon. Something I been mildly unhappy about. Just turning humanoid fusions with Arbok into humanoids with snake lower halves instead of adapting the tail and head into the design

[pure flower]

So. Random thought. Would Lurantis take in nutrients from prey slain via the scythes or does it have a hidden mouth

[remote crest]

it definetly has a mouth!

[tame flax]

I'd like the alolan set first, theyre the coolest available set

[inland jewel]

They only just started asking winners for their choice after the trev winner reveal

So the only mon they could have gotten wrong at the time is Lycanroc

[cobalt nebula]

Golduck is a duck. It’s literally in the name

Just because it has a bill does not mean it’s a platypus

[prime dust]

https://tenor.com/view/perry-perrytheplatypus-platypus-phineasandferb-phineas-gif-20072490

[winged garnet]

Womp : (

[stuck cave]

Imagine if they chose a first, second and third stage of the starters

All of them from different starter families

[orchid flare]

"We are adding Fuecoco, and no other starters"

[prime dust]

nothing from gen 8+

[sterile spoke]

Except Fuecoco. 😉

[oak ravine]

So, are we getting the last line's reveal before the update?

[lime nimbus]

I got a friend asking when will the new PKMN be added, if we know

[graceful torrent]

Soon!

[lime nimbus]

within the next 20 seconds, got it

TBF they're probably going to do an @.everyone for it's release, but I just needed to make sure I didn't miss it when life was happening

[bitter rivet]

Any idea how Necrozma's transformation is gonna work ?

[golden acorn]

I heard it's linked to an item you need to carry or something like that

[inland jewel]

It’s next weekend

This coming Sunday

[lime nimbus]

thanks

[teal plover]

Will all the announced pokemon be in the next update? Or will it be a few at a time?

[hollow plume]

soooo no mightyena. Heartbroken

[oak ravine]

By the looks of it, all of them

[hollow plume]

https://tenor.com/view/funky-cat-gc-hi-hello-mightyena-pokemon-gif-2988531427636854116

[teal plover]

I'm so hoping its all of them, I'm excited for Froslass and Altaria

[prime dust]

all the announced mons will be added in this weekend

the only thing not included in this update will be the winner's raffle mon, which will get added in a bit later

[delicate sphinx]

Damn, theyre rolling out the new version that fast?

[silk narwhal]

good, i'll be able to ask youtubers to show my fusions early

[white meadow]

Did they confirm that the raffle winner wont get in

[wanton wadi]

how to get new pokemon

[flat herald]

Catch them. (:

[prime dust]

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[white meadow]

Well yes but does that nessesarily mean that its not in the update

[prime dust]

i mean most of the new additions were simple tosses into route encounters, only legends had extras

[prime dust]

given the update is coming this weekend

[prime dust]

and of those necrozma was the problem child since its the first itteration of battle form shifting

[prime dust]

i expect a smaller update for whatever the reveal mon is, because they will need to change things to add whatever it is to the game

[prime dust]

right now you don't as they aren't in, once the update is out and they are in, yeah, just go find em and catch em

[sterile verge]

except for the legendaries all the new mons will be in the current routes as encounters

we dont know how to get the regis
but we do know we'll get necrozma after doing a questline specific to him

[white meadow]

I mean they probably know the winner already meaning they can add the location fot the mon

[white meadow]

We even know what quest etc

[sterile verge]

yea im guessing it'll be a "find me if you can" for the mon in the raffle where we dont know what it is until we find him in game

and then after a bit they'll actually reveal him

[white meadow]

Exactly

Thats what I expect

Would be weird to let the raffle winner wait
Even more since the contest they won are about the pokemon in this update

[delicate sphinx]

Im mostly talking about the new fusion sprites

[prime dust]

i mean a lot of new mons won't have fusion sprites

at least not custom ones anyway...no idea on auto-gen stuff since i think they are trying to move away from that

[white meadow]

Well everything we got in October wont have sprites
Except they upload every new mon sprite we got until thr update

[delicate sphinx]

Not what I heard, last I heard they were reworking the system, but that might be out of date, and considering the vagueries of my recollection it could very well be a falsified memories

Anyone got something they can point towards on this?

[prisma marsh]

You are not wrong, they are getting rid of dynamic and moving towards preloaded I believe.

[delicate sphinx]

Sweet, my brain ain't completely fried

[prisma marsh]

Because every new pack requires a new download. Preloaded doesnt have that issue. The file just gets bigger on its own

[mystic rivet]

There's loads of sprites for the new mon already in your custombattlers folder if you have the most recent packs. They just can't be sorted until the base pokemon are in the game.

[clever atlas]

So will we no longer need to download sprite packs?

[fluid fable]

Looks like we won't get Poochyena for a while because of Rockruff :c

[loud sorrel]

yeah itd be a tad redundant

[fluid fable]

Now that data limitations aren't that strict, I wonder what cat Pokemon we will get first. Skitty, Glameow, Purrloin, or Espurr?

[prime dust]

preloaded doesn't exist anymore

preloaded stopped being a thing early on in 5.3; all downloads are dynamic now

[loud sorrel]

honestly i dont have strong opinions on any of the cat pokemon
i guess skitty would be nice so then people could make more skitty/wailord memes lol

[prime dust]

we don't need more

that is a meme in of itself and it is perfect the way it is

[weak trellis]

meowth/persian is the only one we need out of that list

[obtuse silo]

the fat cat is kinda funny

[loud sorrel]

i just know thered be a ton of garfield memes if another cat got in
probably with purrugly

[fluid fable]

Skitty doesn't need Wailord.

Purrloin would probably be too boring but Espurr is pretty cool. I don't like it being 2D though.

[finite thistle]

Normalize would be cool to play around with. Make some super optimal bombs

[frozen oracle]

What are the odds we get evolutions to existing pokemon like ursaluna, annihilape or kingambit?

[sterile verge]

zero

literally impossible

[frozen oracle]

In what sense?

[upper echo]

all the alternate terrain setters are after gen 7 so just the tapus and those are probably very late game

no pinchurchin gaming

[hollow grove]

gow many of the 20 do we have left?

[cedar fjord]

none, we have all the 20 revealed

full list of vote picks and bonus picks are in the pins

[hollow grove]

but i do think we have some missing

like we jumped from 450 to 463

[cedar fjord]

That's just because Necrozma was in the works before a lot of the bonus mons

check the pins, we have all the numbers from 421-465 accounted for

[hollow grove]

4 more and than we get to funny number

[cedar fjord]

I think the Trevanent Rush raffle winner is the only thing we possibly have left if that was different from the spriters choice?

[quiet meteor]

Is dusk form planned at some point or is it not included since it’s a form? For lycanroc*

[cedar fjord]

Its being excluded because it would be almost impossible to differentiate from Midday in fusions

[hollow grove]

its not like ultra necrozma its a 3rd evolution route

[frozen oracle]

Dusk form is pretty much a fusion of midday and midnight

[hollow grove]

has some one already made it a fusion

[frozen oracle]

No like in general

[cedar fjord]

It would be nice to give Midday Tough Claws instead of Keen Eue

[frozen oracle]

Does anything have tough claws in the game yet?

[cedar fjord]

It has Gen 7 data so its in there

I dont think we have Barbaracle though which is the only other non-Mega Gen 6/7 mon with it

[frozen oracle]

So every gen 7 ability is programmed in the game

[quiet meteor]

Oh that’s right, it’s an evo route, yeah tough claws would be nice

[frozen oracle]

So minior would be that hard to add

[finite thistle]

We have Aegislash, so Minior ain't that much harder

[left knot]

Now we just need wishiwashi for even more form change shenanigans

[frozen oracle]

Rip hangry morpeko

[finite thistle]

Man isn't even allowed to Nuzzle me, it's so sad

[inland jewel]

long story short, when Frogman was working on the game, he modified the then most recent version of essentials, and HEAVILY modified the code.

Essentials V19 and V21 both overwent extensive coding and file overhauls, which breaks Fusions.

With V19 and V21 both introduced Gen 8 and Gen 9 respectively.

Now, the amount of work to Recode Fusions or to back code Essentials V21 is something Frogman isn't willing to tackle, so he just said. "Got it, We're just gonna cut it off after Gen 7.

So any Pokemon (Even evolutions) aren't getting added if they are after Gen 7

ok, pinging you in like 2 years

[loud sorrel]

Well if it’s gonna take a massive amount of effort to incorporate Gen 8+ content then I get why the cutoff was gen 7

[inland jewel]

You just need to translate the code from Essentials back to V18

Then translate that to Frogman's sphagetti code

[loud sorrel]

Sounds awful lol
Maybe some day in the far future someone with godlike programming skills can take all the code and stuff and incorporate Gen 8+ into the game

[inland jewel]

Well its all public domain so its just a matter of if someone has the time/energy

heck in doing so they could probably get a pokemon of their choice from those two gens into the game immediately

[tame flax]

Whoever makes it possible gets 5 slots to themselves

[hot steeple]

i see necrozma made it yes i'm late but that makes me happy

[cedar fjord]

I mean there are a bunch of mons from Gen VIII and IX without any unique mechanics that could easily slot in

[subtle plume]

So there's still hope for bruxish is what you're saying /hj

[cedar fjord]

like if you wanted to put in idk Orbeetle its not like it has a type/move/ability that isn't already in the game

[silent acorn]

If the suggestion for psychic fangs gets approved no.

[clever atlas]

You mean my suggestion?

[silent acorn]

Unless Bruxish wins the raffle, add Psychic Fangs to the Move Expert on Knot Island, available to any Psychic-type fusion able to learn Crunch - by Frostyke Lovers gang

If you mean this one yes

Currently at 27 btw

[clever atlas]

Yes i do mean this one, im happy someone cares about it

[subtle plume]

Ah I forgot brux had a signature ability

[silent acorn]

Like psychic fangs is about all I would like of Bruxsish. Nah dazzling is kinda meh

Like priority moves aren't too powerful you know

[obtuse silo]

question do we have hurricane in the game?

[clever atlas]

Also, im not sure it can be called a signature ability tbh when there was another ability with the exact same effect introduced in the same generation

[clever atlas]

Yes....?
Why wouldn't it be?

[obtuse silo]

just read a suggestion that said airslash was the strongest flying type move currently in the game

[clever atlas]

Ah that's because Hurricane is massively unreliable

[obtuse silo]

yeah but still stronger

[clever atlas]

And therefore often dq'ed from the contest

[weak trellis]

fun fact:

not a single move from gen 7+ has a lower base accuracy than 80%

[obtuse silo]

crazy

[cedar fjord]

Just going through Bulbapedia and checking against their abilities and if they have a unique move, you could introduce the following Pokemon from Gen VIII and IX without any additional coding.
Gen 8: Greedant, Orbeetle, Thievul, Eldegloss, Dubwool, Boltund, Centiskorch, Hatterene, Falinks, Indeedee, Copperajah, Duraludon
Gen 9:Lokix, Squakabilly, Klawf, Cetitan, Clodsire, Dundunsparse

[weak trellis]

i think gen 6 as well, might need to check

[clever atlas]

also Wrong chat guys ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weak trellis]

greed, eldegoss, dural, klawf, and technically boltund all have new abilities

[obtuse silo]

i want that tombstone dogs move

[hollow quest]

you ain't gettin them

[obtuse silo]

houndstones move

[clever atlas]

100% not happening

[obtuse silo]

lets say 99%

[clever atlas]

No
Let's say 100
Dev made it clear

[obtuse silo]

so even moves?

i guess that makes sense

[tame flax]

[cedar fjord]

Wait Boltund has Strong Jaw and Competitive

which are both Gen VI abilities? How are they new?

[obtuse silo]

i never understood how steelix hasnt gotten strong jaw

like it is the mon with the biggest jaw

[cedar fjord]

Ah Yamper has the useless ability that changes on evo, I forgot Ball Fetch

[obtuse silo]

okay aside from guzzlord

[clever atlas]

Wrong chat guys, please move to #general

I think

[obtuse silo]

okay i want torkoal as a new mon

[loud sorrel]

We have turtles
We have fire types
Honestly if you really want a torkoal you could just make one lol

[obtuse silo]

they dont share the same asthaetics

and torkoal is cooler than ninetales imo

[loud sorrel]

Never had a strong opinion on torkoal
It’s nice to have a fire/rock type but that’s really it

[obtuse silo]

its pure fire

[loud sorrel]

It is?

[obtuse silo]

and has drought

yes sir ..and it has that cool smoke fontain thing on its back

[loud sorrel]

If wishiwashi got in do you think it’s transforming mechanic would be like necrozma where it can transform in battle

[obtuse silo]

i mean aegislash has a form change but doenst change sprites

wishiwashi would be cool though

[loud sorrel]

Could have some creative fusions where the little fish group up to form the shape of different Pokémon

[prime dust]

aegislash was in before battle form shifting was a thing

i don't think he'll change though

[obtuse silo]

so does necrozma actually change its body or is it seperate and you give it an item ot transform?

[prime dust]

if what I saw in the discussion is still accurate:

Have Necrozma
Give Necrozma specific item
Have Necrozma use specific move
It form shifts into Ultra Necrozma

[loud sorrel]

Yeah that makes sense

[obtuse silo]

interesting

honestly even if i want some mons in i dont feel super strongly about them

[hidden relic]

Changes form yea

[prime dust]

lol

but U Necroz will be a battle only state

them getting this sorted means other battle state mons can be added in the future

all like 1 or 2 of em

[tame flax]

Imagine double u necrozma

[obtuse silo]

the wings actually attach to the body

[white meadow]

megas!

[frozen oracle]

Will aurorus be rock / ice or will they switch it to ice / rock

[silent acorn]

Which are those?

[silent acorn]

How about Giratina, palkia and dialga's alter forms?

[cinder oasis]

If they add wishiwashi I hope they use it's school form stats instead of the regular one

[silent acorn]

Wish would be one hell of a difficulty spike I, like you have to shape every pokemon into million of fishes, I know I wouldn't have patience for that.

[pure flower]

It'd be more like scale patterns.

[obtuse silo]

i would try it once i think

[silent acorn]

If you use it to shape stuff like a green lantern ring it would be sick

[loud sorrel]

well yeah definitely
cause like no one would use it if it had crap stats all the time

[pure flower]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/8889f7f9-2926-4e20-9aa6-21fb09e5cce2/de2d3ma-8e4ab0bf-f898-4c70-89eb-5cb306dd1542.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzg4ODlmN2Y5LTI5MjYtNGUyMC05YWE2LTIxZmIwOWU1Y2NlMlwvZGUyZDNtYS04ZTRhYjBiZi1mODk4LTRjNzAtODllYi01Y2IzMDZkZDE1NDIucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xMifIu8RLO_DWnjNpRQrf_GF8OIQgrfVJapFHQbs2CA

some sprite someone did.

[obtuse silo]

i guess people could also go for submarine sprites

[pure flower]

Just an idea for how it could be done without being too rough

[loud sorrel]

with wishiwashi we could do a dr seuss reference with like smeargle or something
one fish
two fish
red fish
blue fish

[obtuse silo]

that plus registeel or something i could imagine would look awesome

[pure flower]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemonwack/images/e/e8/1256.png/revision/latest?cb=20191218233105

[loud sorrel]

yeah honestly id just treat school wishiwashi as a giant fish with a unique pattern and a few small fish trailing it

[silent acorn]

I think this fanart is great

[white meadow]

Yeah, just have the smaller fish be shaped into something else

[silent acorn]

I think if they treated like an evolution it might not be bad

[obtuse silo]

okay name a if mon pls

[silent acorn]

Jynx ||Get jinxed||

[loud sorrel]

magikarp/wishiwashi could be a bunch of magikarp taking the form of a gyarados

[bitter comet]

What do you guys think a school wishiwashi/school wishiwashi fusion would look like?

[obtuse silo]

hmm something else? 😄

[loud sorrel]

gardevoir

[silent acorn]

Roserade

[loud sorrel]

BIGGER FISH

[obtuse silo]

i need something more animal like

[silent acorn]

A kraken made out of wishiwashi

[loud sorrel]

how about torterra

[cinder oasis]

For what

[bitter comet]

Giant terrifying, nightmare, fish

[obtuse silo]

a fusion

i dont have a good idea for torterra

[cinder oasis]

Womp womp

[loud sorrel]

ok how about monferno

[bitter comet]

Houndoom?

[silent acorn]

Haxorus

Kinda mad I realized Gen 5 has almost 0 animal mons in.

[cinder oasis]

Lanturn

[obtuse silo]

perhaps i go with lanturn

[silent acorn]

Is there a hydreigon torterra fusion that's just a land full of hydra heads?

[cinder oasis]

The gen 5 fossils are good ones but they're not in the game

[loud sorrel]

dont think so
not yet at least

[cinder oasis]

That sounds really goofy

[silent acorn]

It is more than I expected. Also the reverse has no sprite

I was thinking more wack-a-mole style heads

[cinder oasis]

That would be an alt for a whack a mole

[silent acorn]

Maybe a darksouls fusion reference with the weirdo darksseekers?

[white meadow]

that sounds more fitting with dugtrio

[silent acorn]

Anyway we talking about washiwishi

[loud sorrel]

wishiwashi would play really well with the fish pokemon
have the small fish form the shape of their evolution

[silent acorn]

found his one neat.

[white meadow]

remoraid wishiwashi

gives another meaning to "school form"

[loud sorrel]

wonder how those thin tentacle thins are formed by the fish bodies

[bitter comet]

The tiniest ones

Hey imagine joltik/school wishiwashi

[loud sorrel]

now thatd be scary lol

[silent acorn]

Wishwashi plus Sharpedo is a little sad megalodon and then the evo is...

[bitter comet]

The end of us all

[loud sorrel]

unown/wishiwashi could be a reference to this lol

[silent acorn]

School is just this

+1 social credit if you know.

[bitter comet]

Of course an unknown/school wishiwashi fusion could just be a biblically accurate eye monster

[silent acorn]

unown plus Wishiwashi becomes letterstorm

Kinda wish this was actually Canon

[loud sorrel]

itd be a bunch of unown seplling out the word WHALE or SCHOOL or something

[bitter comet]

That would be a fun joke alt

[loud sorrel]

yeah the unown have such cool and fun designs its a shame they cant do more in game

[bitter comet]

Imagine doing an unknown fusion only run

[silent acorn]

ayo I am going to Johto School to be sharp

[loud sorrel]

like
why do they only get one move
who do they have crap stats
why is there mechanic of any kind where they can team up together and do things
i think in lore it said that if a bunch of unown gather in one place it does powerful stuff
but that doesnt translate over in game

[bitter comet]

I love the hoenn one it looks so terrifying

[silent acorn]

Gotta love how weird the Hoenn looks tho

[silent acorn]

I thinks that's the lamest thing. Commanding a ton of unown at the same time would be sick

Like a more basic gholdengo. Gather them all and get an unown army

It could be called Nown

[loud sorrel]

itd be fun if there was a mechanic where you could combine a bunch of unown together to spell out words, which makes them more powerful
like some sort of npc or machine in the overworld that can combine certain pokemon to make certain words
for example if you collect B, U, R, and N and combine them, you get Unown Burn, which has powerful fire moves and fire typing

[silent acorn]

"Nown use Hidden Power"

"It was not effective"

"Foe unown fainted!"

[silent acorn]

Actually that would be hella sick, but more work though worth it. I think back in the day they could have just added the gather them all to get an evolution thingamajig

[loud sorrel]

or maybe youd just spell out a pokemon type to get an unown form of that type
like unown FIRE, unown WATER, unown GRASS
of course youd have to abbreviate some type names like electric to elec or something
itd be fun and incentivise you to catch multiples of the same unown

[silent acorn]

Imagine unown wasnt single stage is easy to dream specially since the anime keeps taunting us with it.

[loud sorrel]

an unown combination/spelling mechanic would be so fun

[cinder oasis]

A bst increase of 5

[loud sorrel]

and a disappointment to the player cause unown still sucks lol

[cinder oasis]

Unown being the worst pokemon ever fr!

[silent acorn]

someone promise me if we get both someone makes this

[silent acorn]

5st on everything is still 30 so a bit decent.

[cinder oasis]

366 Bst 🔥

[silent acorn]

Don't lie to me, this is beautiful

[eager quarry]

have to get the artists permission first btw

[silent acorn]

Who dis Dino looking mofo

[silent acorn]

Oh I ain't gonna make it, I freaking hate luvdisc. Respect to whoever came up with that though

[loud sorrel]

Why is alomomola not an evolution of luvdisc

[stoic canopy]

Because even game freak forgot about luvdisc

[loud sorrel]

Wonder if they’re able to make it happen retroactively
Like make an existing Pokémon an evolution of another existing Pokémon

[silent acorn]

Would be a first honestly

[silent acorn]

For the mean time let the poor sun fish live, it deserves to be appreciated for what it is, not for what It isn't

[loud sorrel]

What it is isn’t much lol

[cinder oasis]

Alolamola looks like Luvdisc and Sigilyph looks like Unown

[fallen loom]

solo form looks like what Aromatisse should have been

[fallen loom]

Alomomola*

image being named after a region that doesn't exist yet

[pure flower]

Wasn't there Pokemon that were based on the idea of Hawaii before it was a thing

Or was it Galar-

[outer matrix]

Belossom?

[fallen loom]

not even found in Alola

These 29 Gen 7 Pokémon should have made it in:
Starters
Ribombee line
Wimpod line/Dewpider line
Vikavolt line
Lurantis line
Salandit line
Kommo-o line
Minior
Cosmog line
Zeraora

It was 31, but Rockruff line made it in

[white meadow]

but we cant just add gen 7

[fallen loom]

but Gen 7 is peak for Bugs

[white meadow]

5*

[fallen loom]

but we only have 2 gen 5 bug lines

[frozen oracle]

3 with scolipede

[fallen loom]

we need Gen 7 bugs

[pure flower]

Lurantis isn't a bug though

[fluid fable]

We need more of gen 4.

[white meadow]

like there isnt even a question who has the cooler bugs

[fallen loom]

only decent bugs in game:
Scyther line
Pinsir
Heracross
Volcarona
Scolipede
Genesect

[fallen loom]

I didn't say it was

[pure flower]

Oh. Whoops

Although. When it comes down to it, I do wish there was more love for weaker fusions

Sunflora/Noctowl for example.

[frozen oracle]

I feel like you need to elaborate

[fallen loom]

Gen 1 and 2 bugs drag the game down and the vast majority of good bugs are from Gen 5 or later

[white meadow]

gen 5 is cooler

[pure flower]

I'm bias for Gen 5 since it's where I started.

[frozen oracle]

Based

[fallen loom]

like why do we only have 3 Gen 5 bug lines? Why no Gen 7 bugs? We already have the best bugs from Gen 4, so why do we actually get so few good bugs from later gens?

[pure flower]

Vespiquen with her attack order/defend order/heal order would be neat. But I feel like people would dumb the concept down to "bee" and that's it

[fallen loom]

then GF nerfed her

[inland jewel]

You can spell stuff with the swarm of Bees

[white meadow]

Like gen 5 has
Plant Bug Mantis
Horse Centipede
Lasagna Crab
Knight Bug
Ninja Bug
Cuddle Nope legs
SUN MOTH
Iron Ant
and Future Kabutops

[frozen oracle]

The 1/8 gender ratio may annoy ppl

[white meadow]

Infinite Fusion dont care about gender

[fluid fable]

I can't think of a single memorable bug pokemon in gen 6 besides Vivillon, which would be impossible to add in.

[fallen loom]

then the fact that we have NO Gen 7 Bugs at all is BS!

[lilac flower]

What's the plant bug mantis. Leavanny? Leavanny isn't a mantis, it's a phasmid (walking stick order)

[pure flower]

You can change the gender of pokemon, can't you?

[fallen loom]

no

[frozen oracle]

Loool that's because gen 6 only added one bug type

[pure flower]

I mean via using the one fusion switch bug

[fluid fable]

Oh, lol

[fallen loom]

Gen 6 was the worst for Bugs

[pure flower]

for gen 6, wasn't it like only vivilion?

[fallen loom]

yes

[lilac flower]

Gen 7 was the best for bugs. Iirc there's at least 5 lines, + lurantis which fits the bug looks without being one

Charjabug family
Dewpider family
Ribombee family
Buzzwole
Pheremosa

[fallen loom]

watch them add Vivilion in over any Gen 7 Bugs

[frozen oracle]

Watch it be wurmple taking 5 spots

[pure flower]

I wonder. What kind of personality do you think a Lurantis typically has towards bug types?

[fallen loom]

Vikavolt was the first 3-stage bug line that didn't suck past the 3rd Gym

[fallen loom]

Wimpod

[white meadow]

Sure 2 Water bugs
One lategame electric one
2 ultra beast
And one fairy that only is good cuz its a fairy

[frozen oracle]

I think the problem with vikavolt would be it would evolve with the magnet stone
So after the 6th gym

[white meadow]

(unova bugs are still good even after the 3rd gym)

[fallen loom]

it's why UFO ladybird was better, but it can't be in the game

[lilac flower]

I guess it could look like a bug to stop bugs from eating it? Idrk what lore reason makes sense.

[pure flower]

It actually eats bugs.

[lilac flower]

But why would a plant mimicking a bug lure in more bugs

[sharp nebula]

only good because its a fairy? no no no, its also good because sticky web. that makes it the best

[fallen loom]

oops, I knew I was going to make a mistake there

[white meadow]

You mean the bug that didnt evolve until the last island

[pure flower]

In scarlet violet, the pokedex art for it has it about to kill a pokemon

And no idea. Just that a lot of its pokedexs mention about it using it to lower the guard of other pokemon.

[fallen loom]

I think some Gen 2 Pokemon should be removed (Delibird and Ledyba) and replaced with better Pokémon

[white meadow]

Wouldnt make sense since in theory we can add all mons up to gen 7

[fallen loom]

Gen 2 dex makes the game worse IMO

[pure flower]

"By masquerading as a bug Pokémon, it lowers the guard of actual bug Pokémon lured in by a scent of sweet flowers. Its sickles bring them down."

[white meadow]

And even if not it would be dumb cuz we would remove some peoples favorite mons and hundreds of sprite people worked a long time makeing

[lilac flower]

I guess I'm saying it's doing mimicry when it might be more accurate to say it convergently gained the form of an insectivorous insect that feeds on bugs that visit flowers. It uses its flower body to lure prey and its mantis shape to kill prey

[pure flower]

Pretty much. While lowering the guard of insect pokemon that see it

[fallen loom]

yes, but the max they can add is probably like 500, so those slots are being wasted

[white meadow]

No as I said
We can add all mons up to gen 7
Like all all
Its a question of time

[pure flower]

Normally just thinking Lurantis is just another bug type. It's pretty vicious when you consider that it's being a deceptive killer. Something I absolutely love about Lurantis.

[fallen loom]

I mean after 500 the engine could barely even run

[pure flower]

also. Funny solar blade reference in Lurantis' Moon entry. "It fires beams from its sickle-shaped petals. These beams are powerful enough to cleave through thick metal plates."

[white meadow]

Man if we add all mons we could still add hundreds more

No even thousands

Frogman solved the space problem

[fallen loom]

I'm telling you, the engine would stop working at a certain point. A lot of mon get in this game for no reason over others! We only have 40% of all viable Fighting Types in the game and Bug is the second least complete type! Bug really needs better members in this game, considering the majority of them are useless

[sharp nebula]

that certain point is like 200000 though

[pure flower]

'viable fighting types' what about nonviable fighting types?

[fallen loom]

is that including fusions?

[pure flower]

fusions don't take up any space anymore, surprisingly.

[white meadow]

Grip I dont wanna be rude
But before the update we get EVERY FUSION was one mon
Now it only countes base mons

[fallen loom]

those are Gen 8+ mon

[sharp nebula]

no, the fusions are now all generated dynamically, they dont take up space

there was a limit before because every fusion counted as one mon

[pure flower]

Yeah, it did also make the pokedex really slow.

[fallen loom]

oh, then why AREN'T all Gen 3-7 Pokémon in the game?

[frozen oracle]

Cause they still have to make the sprites

[sharp nebula]

it takes time to code them and to make the sprites

[white meadow]

Cuz it still takes time to add them
Find places, giving them to trainers etc
We will get single waves of new mons

[inland jewel]

They revamped the system, we now have enough room for 1000 generations of Pokémon

[fallen loom]

single waves as in one new mon?

[inland jewel]

It’s just a matter of time since Frogman has no time to work on this game

[white meadow]

I expect like in 10-30 new mons every wave

[sharp nebula]

we dont know yet, but its likely that eventually theyll all be added

[pure flower]

for sure though. I can see that all the starters will probably be the next wave

[white meadow]

I wrote with Frogman once and he said it is a matter of time

[fallen loom]

BTW, regarding maps... we still have 200 maps left, so only 799 have been used

[white meadow]

I expect theme waves
Maybe a small vote too
But like "Unova jorney" as a wave name with some unova mons, unova starters and some extras

[white meadow]

I know we are close to map limit

[inland jewel]

Yeah but saving maps specifically for special legend/mythical spots

[lofty spindle]

We can apparently save a ton by condensing houses into like 1 map per city.

[fallen loom]

they already do that

[inland jewel]

And their puzzle

[pure flower]

I'm pretty sure that Necrozma is probably going to be getting a map or three

[inland jewel]

They don’t know, Gary’s house is one map, so is the trainer school, and the gates that have 2 stories take up 2 maps

[fallen loom]

this update could only use 20 maps

[inland jewel]

Every time you load a building that’s a map

[fallen loom]

hmm, most games condense maps

[inland jewel]

Yeah most, not IF

[fallen loom]

that explains why there are more maps than it feels like there should be

[silent acorn]

Finally using Excavalier thanks to a mod, and boy it's a good one

I was always bitter I never got to use one in the vanilla black. Now I get to have a hands on perspective on it

[pure flower]

Toffna?

[silent acorn]

Tough enough = Toffna

[pure flower]

Oh I see.

[fallen loom]

loli boob shot?

[silent acorn]

But yeah I get to use one. I can tell you Excavalier is one of the best bugs of Gen 5

[silent acorn]

Nah full armored lady that kicks ass.

I picked Gen 5 black because it's the one I played and doesn't have mons of other gens

[fallen loom]

I never got moemon

[silent acorn]

Its mostly reskins for the most part I am playing with the Unova Dex Complete Edition for this.

There is a weird charm of having static Sprites with the effects and camera angles of Gen 5

[fallen loom]

does it add more mon past gen 5?

[silent acorn]

Nah this is a vanilla gen 5 rom, and the hack is mostly to allow completition of the dex without trading or different versions mostly everything is the same

I didn't wanna play with drayanos or black 2 because they add Gen 5 pokemon making the gen 5 mons take a backseat for the experience.

I am playing like this to get a perspective on mons I wouldn't usually use or like.

Like I am using zebstrika, Musharna (these both are more boob shots than I expected), vanillite, and planning on using mienfoo and druddigon

[fallen loom]

have you tried Blaze Black and Volt White?

[silent acorn]

I kinda wanted to, but the thing is that Drayano goes past the Gen mons you find, so for example I wanted the vanilla experience where all the mons were just the Gen 5 ones. I played drayano platinum a bit with following, was fun as hell.

Also the fact Drayano does edit stuff a bit so it's not the same experience. In this version I play about the only thing missing it's fairy type on whimsicott and Audino, but it's not a huge deal.

[fallen loom]

Audino isn't Fairy outside of Mega

[silent acorn]

Oh it isn't? I never pay much mind to it to really know.

[inland jewel]

It’s just gen 5 chantey

[fallen loom]

but no evo line

[silent acorn]

Basically. It's the exp farm, it does have little tricks tho.

Musharna has the problem of being very limited on moves, but damn it's a solid psychic tank

She gets synchronize which actually is useful when you have a mon as slow as her.

[fallen loom]

and Trick Room?

[silent acorn]

In a way you can play with that, but researching how to use her, I learned she can learn calm mind and stored power as almost the final level up moves. Which is that way for a reason, that is busted. Specially since it's a mon that specializes on tanking and making the opponent sleep

Since I am using Excavalier you could say she is a good trick room setter for other mons too.

Oh and she can get baton pass. In case that stored power wasnt enough to sweep

Its a good mon, with a bit of a learning curve.

Its different from Hypno in that is more tanky too.

[fallen loom]

I find this is a good Pikachu Moveset:
Nuzzle
Thunderbolt/Thunder
Quick Attack
Double Kick

Double Kick is for any Rock/Ground Types that are too common in Gen 1 games

[silent acorn]

Double kick is one hell of a move when you are agaisnt a type weak to fighting.

[fallen loom]

that's what I use in Fire Ash

[silent acorn]

Hmmmm. Yeah sounds about right for gen 1.

Although sp Def tanks would be that pikachus nighmare

[fallen loom]

just swap out

[silent acorn]

True that

You know Hypno seems like the less perfect psychic tank all things considered

so this is Musharna

And this is Hypno

Hypno seems like more of an all rounder Whilst Musharna specializes a lot more as a tank.

[cinder oasis]

And unfortunately both are bad

[silent acorn]

Psh you wish, if you only know competitive you only appreciate what 10 mons can do, when you experiment you find more mons are viable for a run. Musharna is tanky enough to resist the 2x attacks without that much trouble.

It can also lock the foe into both confusion and sleep depending on how you play

For example
Hypno can mess like hell with sp Def tanks thanks to psychock since that attacks defense

Musharna on the other hand once locking the enemy into sleep which wouldn't be counted for competitive because it's RNG dependant can let you buff atleast 2 3 times with calm mind. Letting you do around 100 off two calm minds without counting the buff to special attack, doing one more means doing 140 damage.

Too slow? Quick claw baby

It is RNG dependant so that's why anyone would see musharna as bad.

these are the mons that get stored power by level up. this move is so annoying its sparcely distributed

Musharna missing from the list because Database be like that.

A STAB muddy water vs a unbuffed Musharna

Battle over with the Palpitoad confused and asleep.

Oh I can't tell you what a power trip tanking everything they throw at me then leaving them powerless is.

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-croagunk-king-throne-gif-16367260035413576996

Perhaps one day.

[sharp nebula]

Me when moemon

[silent acorn]

Its fun throwing ladies with powers at each other Touhou style

Musharna is just strategy.

Moonlight, yawn, nighmare, psybeam, have I mentioned this is not the most powerful set this mon has?

[stoic canopy]

No, we can only make dog,rats, and the occasional sentient ice cream cone battle each other using otherworldly powers. As god intended… :p

[silent acorn]

Quick claw baby. Making tanky mons beasts since gen II

[sharp nebula]

I love their b2w2 honestly

[pure flower]

Something I was thinking about. I kind of want to try playing through IF with Sunkern/Sunflora

[silent acorn]

God is dead literally lol

[stoic canopy]

Hmm the ice cream cone must of got him.

[silent acorn]

Probly, I cant show the icecream yet by the way, it's just... Not PoG yet

[silent acorn]

By the way we can fight using a hat wearing princess gremlin, a goth marshmallow, playbunny, Yeti Woman, Too feminine to live and now a Yuki Onna. Yeah like the Devil intended

[glossy osprey]

A small taste

[cedar merlin]

omg, they made a gen 5 moemon? i may have to give it a go

[mystic rivet]

Fingers crossed the UBs get the same treatment as the starters eventually

[cedar merlin]

im using a musharna in my regular ol' vanilla bw2 run, and I'm pretty impressed so far! psychic/calm mind/wish goes hard on a bulky pokemon

[rocky condor]

wait chat, what's the last pokemon reveal coming up? The trevenant rush winner's pick? I forget

[prime dust]

trev rush winner never got to pick a mon, they got added to the winner's raffle.

last mon to get announced was the spriter's choice mon [rockruff and lycanroc]

we won't see the winner's raffle reveal until after the update comes out

[tardy flame]

oh man moemon, I was trying to remember what that was called awhile ago, time to play moemon again

hopefully will tide me over till this weekend