pif-hoenn-discussion

[silent acorn]

Volteon is the only thunder dog/cat creature I want

[vapid violet]

contrary to popular belief, corgies actually do have legs.

Short legs, but legs.

This has body into feet. No leg.

[lethal roost]

oh yeah now i see the thing with light arcanine's art. its like it has no torso

[obtuse silo]

I dont even remember what that is

[lethal roost]

like theres belly and then theres just nothing behind it

[vapid violet]

leggos

[cedar merlin]

decently dissappointed by the pick, but ig it could be worse

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jolteon-pokemon-jolteon-pokemon-crying-teary-eyes-gif-25388500

[vapid violet]

(unhealthily short ones, but still there at least)

[obtuse silo]

Oh jolteon is awesome

[sullen elbow]

of course its exagerated

[zealous flint]

At least he didnt pick bruxish

[vapid violet]

its exagerated to the point where it looks like a loaf of bread, but not intentional like Fidough

[obtuse silo]

Top 3 eeveelution

[lethal roost]

my thing with Boltund is that technically, yes, it is a healthy dog, but like... theres not much beyond it
like theres nothing that would scream "ELECTRIC TYPE" at me aside from color

[silent acorn]

I hate people who think they need very lean dog to have a good one, I like em chunky

[vapid violet]

• the texture doesn't help either (it doesn't look fuzzy or furry, esp the mane; it just looks smooth and shiny)

[cedar merlin]

ohhhh wait, was this the raffle winner's pic? I thought this was spriter poll's pics lol

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/basset-hound-tired-cute-dog-gif-25881215
English dog? Give me this instead please

[lethal roost]

manectric does a good job of being spiky and wild enough to think "oh probably not a normal type"

[vapid violet]

fr though Fidough is just a more polished Yamper concept you can't tell me otherwise

[zealous flint]

Did you guys know skeledirge is the only final evo fire starter to be quadrupedal

[lethal roost]

also boltund is just a bad name, yamper does not have the problem of being a bad name

[sullen elbow]

I dislike early electric types that are just yellow and spiky

[weak trellis]

unless you count typhlosion sometimes but otherwise yea

[lethal roost]

opinion on him.

[silent acorn]

Technically Typhlosion is, just that they are mostly shown on two

[zealous flint]

i am not counting typhlosion sometimes

[vapid violet]

lycanroc was the spriter poll vote yes, we haven't seen the raffle winner pick yet

[obtuse silo]

Imagine if you fuse both electric dogs together

[vapid violet]

BABY TIGER FRIEND

[zealous flint]

Talkin about in game sprites

[cedar merlin]

oh my bad. i got the reading literacy of a braindead raccoon

[zealous flint]

Could be a lot better

[sullen elbow]

round 👍

[cedar merlin]

so now that i know the raffle winner didn't pick it, I can go back to being unhappy about getting another canine?

[vapid violet]

also Typhlosion is a facultative quadruped

[silent acorn]

Actually stupid this didn't become a pokemon it's adorable

[zealous flint]

Can you explain i do not understand

[obtuse silo]

Typhlosion is a cute dog as well

[cedar merlin]

he ❤️ 🫶

[lethal roost]

Typhlosion is a rat according to the internet

[silent acorn]

Its a honey badger

[sullen elbow]

honestly its mostly just jolteon and zapdos (electabuzz a bit as well)

[cedar merlin]

i thought typhlosion was a weasel?

[vapid violet]

Facultative quadruped means it can go both bipedal and quadrupedal, depending on need

[silent acorn]

What part of Typhlosion makes you think that?

[zealous flint]

Alr

[lethal roost]

Quilava does look a bit weasely

[craggy lynx]

I feel like this thing was eventually reused and is now turned into Spheal

[obtuse silo]

But i bet it can bark

[cedar merlin]

long rat thing ig? I just always thought it was a weasel, never questioned it lmao

[lethal roost]

but when it evolves it's very much a badger

[weak trellis]

Quilava the Noodle

[orchid vault]

weasels and badgers are in the same animal familly anyway, just long a short lol

[vapid violet]

ye they're all mustelids

[lethal roost]

two things can be round separately. honestly i think the thunder cat idea might've gone into shinx

[vapid violet]

I can kinda see Electabuzz vibes with the stripes and tail too tbh

[lethal roost]

they have similar movesets but it's hard to tell if it's because they're actually related or if "thunder cat" would happen to just have the same moves

[cedar merlin]

he run

[silent acorn]

they are a big mismatch

[zealous flint]

Quilava is a peacock because quil = quills as in peacock quills

[obtuse silo]

Something i find irritating is the fact that we have 3 bat line pokemons with none of them beeing dark type

[weak trellis]

or the fact that we still don't have a second poison/flying type even now

[silent acorn]

Blame noivern for wanting to not be cool

[obtuse silo]

He is cool but not on the dark side

[silent acorn]

Exactly it is cooler on the dark side

[obtuse silo]

Wont be invited to halloween parties

[vapid violet]

I want a snow leopard mon, but ig we got Chien-Pao which partially has inspiration from one, among other things.

Still want a dedicated snep though.

[lethal roost]

true

[sullen elbow]

I blame crobat for not geting the shiny new type that fits it more

[lethal roost]

treasures of ruin salvage the SV dex for me fully

[cedar merlin]

waited 9 generations for a dolphin pokemon only for it to be the worst possible dolphin design imaginable. I want a cool dolphin

[silent acorn]

How so. It has cool stuff all over

[vapid violet]

true

[obtuse silo]

Like muscle and a heart tattoo

[vapid violet]

palafin is kinda cute but the hero form is cursed af

[silent acorn]

You know what, all pokemon should look like ruinous beasts that way the kids stay on Mocomon

[vapid violet]

• I get the funny of "oh it evolved but barely changed" but still not a huge fan of that lmao

[sullen elbow]

its more than what dolphins deserve

[vapid violet]

the weird sausage fingers and the face creep me out though.

Also wish it had a cape

[obtuse silo]

Orca is also missing

[obtuse silo]

Aqua dolphin wants his outfit back

[vapid violet]

kyogre has some inspiration but a more dedicated take on an orca mon would be nice

[rancid sail]

are the newly announced pokemon in the game?

[lethal roost]

not until next week i think

[pure flower]

oh, isn't that like Samurott?

[cedar merlin]

the thing that bothers me the most is its "waist", I get dolphins taper off from head to tail, but it's just way too skinny imo

[vapid violet]

yeah

[lethal roost]

yeah samu does it too iirc

[pure flower]

I think my only worry with Samurott body fusions is samurott being made into a bipedal pokemon tbh

like I'd get it for a samurott head on a bipedal pokemon body

[silent acorn]

Nah it's perfect, big bulk samurai otter are you kidding me?

[pure flower]

I like quadruped Samurott.

[lethal roost]

i think a lot of people will still sprite it as quadruped since that's usually how it be

[silent acorn]

Its emboar you should be concerned by

[obtuse silo]

I honestly dont care on how many feets they are on as long as they look like wild monsters

[lethal roost]

oh thank god for no gen 8 starters then

[silent acorn]

||two legs||

[lethal roost]

dont jumpscare me like that!!!! ||/joke||

[obtuse silo]

Emboar could have cool head fusions

[pure flower]

Thinking about it. For Lycanroc, would it be smart if the evolutions were handled by the moon stone, dawn stone, and sun stone?

[lethal roost]

lycanroc isnt getting dusk form

[pure flower]

aa. Right. Then just moon and sun stone

[lethal roost]

thing is in this game you can kinda just set the time to whatever you want by sleeping

[pure flower]

Is there a time system?

[lethal roost]

ye

[pure flower]

Huh. Always thought it was always day time

[obtuse silo]

I thought about it..day form plus midnight fusion would make dusk

[pure flower]

tbh- I'm probably going to wait longer before I bother trying to beat IF. I want a line I like the appearance of, being a water/dragon fusion, having a primarily water color scheme. But so far nothing's really sticking for me even after hours of digging through sprites

[lethal roost]

midday + midnight = cerberus mon with all 3 forms' heads

[silent acorn]

Sharpedo

[pure flower]

What I like does not align to what you may like

[silent acorn]

Well what did you want? You only got up to Gen 7 to work with you know

[pure flower]

That's...actually the trouble.

I'm not quite certain. Nothing's sticking for me, out of what I seen so far

I hoped noivern, tyrantrum, and Goodra being added would help but

[lethal roost]

ah, no new ones

[pure flower]

No. Maybe it'd be easier once the starters get added?

[lethal roost]

they're not in daena yet so it'd be a pain in the ass to search yeah

[pure flower]

Well, easier to decide.

[silent acorn]

Samurott and Primarina have very nice sea theme. Greninja looks nothing like the sea

[pure flower]

Samurott is a possibility.

Like, Samurott/Noivern could look rather nice potentially.

and it's less of a sea theme, and more so the colors. Like, even Seaking (with the fact that all of its fusion shinys turn blue), was a consideration

[cinder oasis]

Golisopod and Clawitzer would be good for a water dragon combo

[lethal roost]

oh Seaking/Kingdra is Water/Dragon one sec

[pure flower]

Kingdra is technically a pokemon that fills out all the boxes on its own. My only dislike about it is the design

[lethal roost]

ah
there was uhhh Kyogre/Flygon that i was going to post as well

[pure flower]

Not...exactly a fan of the gun mouth lol

Oh right. I forgot Flygon fusions

[pure flower]

Oh, neat! Not exactly what I'm looking for but that's well made

[cinder oasis]

Lapras is a good water type for dragon and water fusions

[lament arrow]

where do i get rock ruff and how do i know if i can get it?

[lethal roost]

you can't get rockruff it's not in the game yet

[cedar merlin]

personally mantine/charizard has always been one of my favorites, might be a bit too cute-sy tho

[pure flower]

Well. I'll at least say this. Empoleon head fusions are on the table for me, mostly since for my copy of IF I'm flipping the typing to make primary be water and secondary steel

[lethal roost]

salamence passes dragon as the head which is mighty unfortunate because it doesnt get a different color scheme

[cinder oasis]

Salamence and Mantine is also cool

[pure flower]

flipping typings isn't something I'm against doing

So if there was a three stage Salamence fusion line I geninuely liked? I'd be down to flip the typing

[lethal roost]

empoleon/flygon

oh if it has to be the whole set, might be a little problem

[pure flower]

Yeah

[lament arrow]

but what new ones are ?

[pure flower]

I mean if one typing is always water, and is single staged and the other one is three stages but carries dragon, or vice versa I'd be fine with that

[silent acorn]

None yet next week update

[lethal roost]

you'd have to switch both typings but

[pure flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1157421156312305704/53.441.png?ex=6557d3f3&is=65455ef3&hm=37c55b09ceca92653fdea7960f15502ce8ca7d8d8e0f71154fa8e9ad6abc8cb6&

if I could get a water/dragon or dragon/water fusion line with this type of body design, well. Altered tail, head and what not

[lethal roost]

yooo.... damn

[pure flower]

This is Persian/Noivern.

[silent acorn]

https://cdn.daena.me/EVKXaZAPcw9eiabpEPCzxbgv/dn/336.324.png

How does this not have a custom yet?

[lethal roost]

well i can only really look through daena but I think Garchomp might have something there

[pure flower]

...oh neat. I just found a monster hunter reference sprite

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/543958354377179176/1156176546814492702/441.142.png?ex=65534cd1&is=6540d7d1&hm=85342a2b4317a592e0554f41043a8cef5c62019a1acad9b806985c45bd0e5f61&

[silent acorn]

Lol it's that damn bird

[lethal roost]

im sure theres a lot of those after noivern got in. i made one myself but before that

of the other damn bird

[pure flower]

I mean. There's an old reference sprite of Nargacuga that can be remade for Zoroark/Noivern.

[silent acorn]

Just realized you could technically make zinogre with lycanroc

[lethal roost]

at one point i was considering making Skarmory/Noivern into Seregios but I lost interest in the game too long

[pure flower]

Oh, have you seen Azumarill/Blaziken?

[lethal roost]

too much type switching all around 😔

[lethal roost]

oh that one is really good damn

[silent acorn]

Hahaha ha empochomp is the pokemon name of all time

[pure flower]

Honestly even though it isn't Water/dragon I'd still absolutely loved if it had a full line designed in that format tbh

well, azumarill with the full blaziken line

[lethal roost]

true

[sturdy frigate]

samurott and boufant just turn into afro samurai

[pure flower]

As weird as it sounds I don't actually like Samurott because it's a samurai

It's like, the general fierceness of it?

[sturdy frigate]

samurott and greninja would be neat

ninja samurai

[quasi cave]

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-excited-happy-cant-wait-gif-16339873

Rockruff!!!

[pure flower]

I mean. I kinda wanna see a samurott fused with Skarmory or Aggron tbh

[brisk vessel]

The new Spriter Pick Pokemon should have been Lurantis or Golisopod smh

[pure flower]

I think my main appeal to Samurott is the fact that it's an armored quadruped

[pure flower]

Honestly? I'm not really sweating it. It'll be added at some point, even if not in the following month or so

[proud lion]

Will the spriter poll total results be revealed sometime this week? Like who was the highest voted and who was the lowest ranked?

[pure flower]

the spriter poll got revealed already pretty certain

"Today's the day, we reveal the winner....of the Spriter's Choice!" for rockruff

[proud lion]

Like do we see where Bruxish/ the monkies/etc are ranked

[pure flower]

ah. No idea

[alpine rune]

If a spriter yourself dont know that imagine how a normal user do

I too want to know the runner ups but i feel like they dont wanna cause outrage

I get the feeling that most legendaries/mythicals are up there in the voting but they only want to include 2-3 and it being necrozma and regitrio

[rose gazelle]

so when are they gonna be in the game?

[alpine rune]

Next weekend presumably

[slim bone]

does that mean all of the new mons or only some?

[violet current]

did they announce the winner of the other one yet

[alpine rune]

All probably, cant imagine they would only bring some

[slim bone]

bet

[violet current]

ik there were supposed to be 2 spriter picks

[alpine rune]

No, not yet

[slim bone]

cant wait for tyrantrum & toxapex ❤️

[violet current]

lurantis hopers

[pure flower]

I'm not really holding out for it.

at least not within the next two updates.

[rose gazelle]

i dont really care what we get the community will make it cool

[alpine rune]

Bet? Bet what? Yall have to bring cold hard cash for me to join the bet

[mystic rivet]

is there anything we should expect with this update? or is it just for the new pokemon? not that i'm complaining, 45 more fusion fodder is awesome.

[alpine rune]

We should expect a lot of bugs and micropatches in the upcoming subsequent days

[slim bone]

do updates break old saves or nah? this'll be the 1st update since i've been playing IF

so no clue how it works or if it breaks old saves or not

[alpine rune]

Not sure. 4.9 saves are incompatible with 5.0 saves but versions 5.0 to 5.3 uses the same saves to this point. So I'm not sure, but best bet is to have a backup save ready and just launch the game after the update. It might still use the same saves, it might not.

[slim bone]

gotcha. no clue what version i have but it's whatever one is currently in downloads as i've only had it for couple weeks. hopefully it's 5.0 or later

if it does break old saves its not the end of the world, just kinda nice to have my OG 1'st save file 😄

[mystic rivet]

when you launch the game, it should say the version number under the scrolling fusions

[slim bone]

ok i'll check & see what it is. ik every time i play it tells me there's a new version lol

well when i open the file it says 5.3.1.2, i'll check the actual in-game

ye 5.3.1.2

[pure flower]

Oh, that's cool. There's a MH reference from Sharkpedo

[white meadow]

Monster Hunter?

[weary acorn]

Zamtrios is my favorite monster

[worthy dagger]

WE DID IT! LYCANROC!

[mystic kernel]

i didnt vote for them, but LYCANROC LINE IS COOL!

[lyric quest]

statblock ultra necrozma volcarona

[light garden]

The command wasn't used correctly! Please write it as statblock name/name so I know what fusion you're asking for.

[lyric quest]

statblock ultra necrozma/volcarona

[light garden]

I'm not sure what Pokémon you're asking for, did you misspell something?

[mystic kernel]

look like theres no dusk form tho

im still hoping for melloetta

[slate gazelle]

same

[graceful torrent]

congrats on the dog!

are they saying that the new update comes next week as well or is it some other update?

[loud sorrel]

it should be ready by next weekend

[graceful torrent]

oh neat

i feel like right now ive been waiting on like every one of the games i wanna play to get their updates

[white meadow]

So this is why minior didn't get in the game, it got devoured by this fusion
#fusions message

[paper heron]

...

i think...

that..

[finite thistle]

Does suck that we're essentially never getting Tough claws because we got no Dusk

[paper heron]

...i think they would add tyrantrum

just maybe...

[inland jewel]

Tyranteums gettin in next week

All the mons are

[orchid elk]

The last one is the raffle right?

[bleak plaza]

yeah. the raffle winner wanted to wait and see what the spriters voted for before they picked a mon

[inland jewel]

Remember trev rush =/= add to game

[fast lily]

No shaymin 😔

[inland jewel]

It’s choose a mon and it’s 1 in 20 chance to add to game since they competing with other contest winners

[orchid elk]

Ah Intresting

[inland jewel]

Yeah because the Winners raffle is literally that, all contest winners submitting their choice to see which ONE gets in

[sand mica]

Skuntank will be going in the game!

[orchid elk]

Imagine everyone chose bruxish

[inland jewel]

I like to think 19 people chose golisopod and the Pokémon that gets in is the guy who chose Bruxish

[orchid elk]

Oooo golisopod would be cool

[loud sorrel]

i am quite certain neither skuntank nor bruxish are gonne get in the game
if im wrong on either of them I'll make a gardevoir sprite with them

[slate gazelle]

Lycanroc!!
Lycanroc is here!!

[bitter comet]

Agreed man

[inland jewel]

Skuntank is my fav mon why you gotta be hating

Like yeah Spheal ain’t getting in either but I’m not saying it won’t

[graceful torrent]

as a joke my first run will be a regice-mono fusion run, as per my excitement about regice being in the game

[zinc cave]

am i missing any?

[slate gazelle]

I am entirely satisfied with this session of mons added
Aurorus, Altaria, Lycanroc, and Goodra are all mons I wanted

[ebon torrent]

you missed midnight lycanroc

[zinc cave]

did it have a seperate slot on that tierlist?

[slate gazelle]

There are some others I wanted that didn’t get in
But I can live with that
every mon added is okay

[inland jewel]

Every mon added is great, even if only one line I wanted got in

[ebon torrent]

tierlist?

[slate gazelle]

Only line I dislike is Sharpedo but I may be a bit biased from it charging at me faster than my bike in the Sword/Shield dlc

[zinc cave]

yeh it was pinned in this chat a while back

https://tiermaker.com/categories/video-games/pokemon-infinite-fusion-new-pokemon-16034815

here it is

[maiden flume]

ROCKRUFF!

[ebon torrent]

aah, i didn't know that was there, then the answer is no, its not in the tierlist.

[zinc cave]

dissapointed in lack of ultra beasts i wanted to have a beast boost fuisons

[ebon torrent]

agreed..but at least we got one ultrabeast to start with

er..2 i guess if you count hte ultra as a different form?

[loud sorrel]

we got an ultra beast?
which one?

[zinc cave]

honestly its factually true but i dont really consider necrozma an ultra beast, i feel like its a box legend first

[pure flower]

You basically only get Ultra Necrozma while in a battle ig

[loud sorrel]

yeah necrozma and u necrozma are more legendaries than ultra beasts
theyre a different case

[zinc cave]

mhmm technically both but more legend thant UB

[maiden flume]

Same

[ebon torrent]

ah..i had always concidered Necrozma one..though yea now that i look it up the wiki classifies it as a legendary rather than an ultrabeast.

[pure flower]

It's basically both though isn't it? Similar to Solgaleo and Lunala

[ebon torrent]

i still concider it one though just cause it does technically originate from ultra space.

[ebon torrent]

yea

[zinc cave]

its the same way that the cosmog line are technically UBs they are just mainly legendary

[pure flower]

Main thing is: what defines a UB?

[ebon torrent]

it comes from ultra space?

[loud sorrel]

i think the fact that it appears in ultra space or whatever

[orchid elk]

If ultra beasts are added im curious to see how spriters work with them given how unique they are

[zinc cave]

pokemon from another dimension/IE ultra space

[loud sorrel]

i do wish they expanded on the alternate dimension concept more in future games

[maiden flume]

Now we've just gotta see what the last staff pick is

[zinc cave]

same i dont have much hope but i really do want more ultra beasts

[loud sorrel]

if they ever add ultra beasts i think itll be in a group together
itd be weird to only have one or two UBs in game

[zinc cave]

i like how alien they are

[inland jewel]

There isn’t any more staff pick though, just winner raffle

[zinc cave]

dont all UBs come in twos?

[inland jewel]

Considering the update is coming next week

[orchid elk]

A batch will all ultra beasts would be Intresting but probably very controversial

[loud sorrel]

maybe a little
but ultra beasts have fun designs so i think itll be fine

[zinc cave]

cuz im pretty sure they release like duo cards for every ultra beast

[maiden flume]

Ah, I really hope we at least get a really useful UB out of it

[loud sorrel]

im more so just hoping we get a cool looking one
i know guzzlord is popular

[pure flower]

I'm pretty certain that we'll be seeing all the starters from gen 5-7 in a batch at some point a few updates in the future, since the game's pretty heavily optimized at this point.

[zinc cave]

im hoping blacephalon most

[maiden flume]

Pheromosa's the ideal one

[inland jewel]

I do too, I want Celesteela

[loud sorrel]

god i would love a starter batch with all three missing sets of starters

[pure flower]

So all the ultra beasts shouldn't be too unreasonable once the work plate has been cleared up

[zinc cave]

or the girl fighting bug one, buzzwole

only female mosquitos suck blood

[inland jewel]

The biggest factor is Frogman’s free time

[loud sorrel]

you know what
given the choice between starters and UBs id take starters without a second thought

[pure flower]

free time and motivation

[zinc cave]

thats a hard one for me ngl

[pure flower]

both of those are important factors. Working without motivation hurts

[zinc cave]

cuz most the starters i like are already in but none of the ultra beasts i like are in it

[loud sorrel]

ill be honest
starters are way more integral to pokemon as a whole than UBs
and if we're gonna have pokemon from gens 1-7 then itd be nice to have all starters from gens 1-7

[zinc cave]

yeah you're right, im just biased

[inland jewel]

True, but I mean between his social obligations, work, and personal relaxations- it’s up to him when he wants to work on it

Since working on IF does not pay the bills

[loud sorrel]

not like it can anyway
if they make any sort of profit off of the game then itd draw gamefreak to shut the game down lol

[inland jewel]

I know people offered to donate but he shut those down right away because of that reason

[zinc cave]

what if its just donateing for like other reasons, not for the game but if the money gets used for it oh well

[inland jewel]

Gamefreak doesn’t care, if they see someone profiting off their IP they shut it down

[loud sorrel]

yeah its too risky to accept
can see why frogman would shut those down

[zinc cave]

yeh its understandable

gamefreak is pretty ruthless

only thing i can think of is just having a twitch channel and stream themselves playing a nuzlocke of the game or something

[loud sorrel]

i fear gamefreak is gonna come after this game some day
take down the site and game and stuff so theres no more updates

[zinc cave]

so its not really donating for the game just donating to the streamer who might have ties to the game

[loud sorrel]

idk there might still be a risk there
also i might have heard that gamefreak is cracking down on people that play romhacks of their games

not totally sure on that but i can see it
idk it seems like another risky option

[zinc cave]

yeh best not draw too much attention to it

[inland jewel]

Gamefreak is cracking down on people who provide links to pirated Roma

[loud sorrel]

i also remember hearing rumors that more pokemon couldnt be added cause if they added too many pokemon it might make the game too big and draw the attention of gamefreak who could shut it down
clearly that doesnt seem to be an issue now lol

[inland jewel]

If you play the game and don’t say how you got it then you G

[zinc cave]

yeh if you do, do it privately to like friends or something

[inland jewel]

No, the game engine couldn’t support more Pokémon, not because gamefreak

[loud sorrel]

yeah i didnt know that at the time lol

[inland jewel]

Luckily since they revamped the engine we have a ton more room

[zinc cave]

mhmm

[loud sorrel]

yeah its good that they figured out how to make more room
hopefully that means some day we'll get all the pokemon up to gen 7
or at least fill up another gen of pokemon along with gens 1 and 2

[wintry flume]

Kinda was hopin for emboar one day tbh ik he not the best but he one of my favs

[inland jewel]

To put in perspective,
Before each fusion was considered it’s own Pokémon, so the game had to look through all the fusions to get the data

[zinc cave]

the starters are guaranteed at somepoint just gotta wait

[inland jewel]

Now: reach base Pokémon is looked up and then it fuses it with the other on the spot, instead of slogging through thousands upon thousands of code

[loud sorrel]

yeah thats good

[inland jewel]

Thus eliminating 176000 filled up spots to a messily 465

[zinc cave]

you know what feature i'd really want? if you could choose any starter at the start

[loud sorrel]

that would be nice yeah

[inland jewel]

That’s…. That’s already a feature though

[loud sorrel]

is it? i thought it was only the gen 1 starters

[zinc cave]

wait huh? i guess ive been living under a rock for a while

[inland jewel]

On a new game + it’ll ask if you want to use Kanto starters on no randomizer

Say no, and then choose custom starter

[loud sorrel]

oh its a new game + thing ok

[zinc cave]

ohhhh i didnt know that i only played randomized new game+

[inland jewel]

Key word Nonrandomized playthrough

You can easily shuffle at viridian so

[zinc cave]

so you can pick ANY custom starter too?

[inland jewel]

Any fusion yes

[zinc cave]

might be good to do a monolocke then

[pure flower]

Oh, would that mean that loading stuff is a lot faster too?

[loud sorrel]

say is there a list of pokemon that arent in the game yet
soted by gen
so i know how many of the gen 3, 4, etc pokemon are missing

[loud sorrel]

it should be yeah
or at the very least more optimized

[pure flower]

There's a list of what's added. But looking for what's not there is going to take a while

[inland jewel]

From what the dev has said, by leaps and bounds

[zinc cave]

technically give me 10 minutes

[loud sorrel]

cause like
if there are only a few pokemon missing from like gen 3 or something they could put all those missing pokemon in a batch so they can say they have all pokemon from gens 1, 2, and 3

[inland jewel]

Gen 3 is in no way almost complete

[loud sorrel]

darn

[inland jewel]

I can think of 20 mons not in from Hoenn

[loud sorrel]

honestly it mustve been a ton of work just to finish gens 1 and 2
i mean if they were gonna have the game take place in the combined kanto/johto land theyd probably have to have all the pokemon from those regions

[inland jewel]

That’s the fun part, this game launched with a full Kanto/Johto dex.

[loud sorrel]

oh fr?
well great

[inland jewel]

The rest were drip added as the game updated

[loud sorrel]

wow
it mustve taken forever to get to where we are now

[inland jewel]

Slaking only here, Shedinja only there, bidoof for the meme

[zinc cave]

here you go

[inland jewel]

Is that sorted by generation?

[loud sorrel]

thanks
and wow that really is a ton of pokemon missing lol

[zinc cave]

no i just dragged im in as fast as possible

[high haven]

We've got 1 more chance for another Mon to be added

[inland jewel]

Didn’t he ask to see how complete a gen?

[high haven]

Since the raffle pick still hasn't been revealed

[loud sorrel]

yeah im just curious how complete each gen is

[inland jewel]

Raffle is confirmed to happen next week, after the update is out

[loud sorrel]

is there a link to the tier list you used
i think i can figure it out myself lol

[zinc cave]

https://tiermaker.com/create/pokemon-infinite-fusion-new-pokemon-16034815

[loud sorrel]

thanks

[high haven]

I know, that's why I said yet

[civic lily]

Lol no dusk form?

[zinc cave]

i think it might be

[high haven]

Right now I'm praying that somehow Seviper or Zangoose is the winners top pick

[civic lily]

Guess someone will have to make dusk form lycan by fusing day form and night form

[inland jewel]

Dev said dusk form is to similar to Midday so he didn’t want to add it

[civic lily]

Ah, I see

[high haven]

Valid

[zinc cave]

im prolly the minority when i say i feel like lycanroc is a lil redundant but people like it so whatever

[high haven]

No I agree, it was one of the mons that I didn't really want in the game. Not hate just a strong disinterest

[zinc cave]

yee i feel like more fusions you can make with those three you can make with growlithe, luxray, and zoroark

but whimsicott was in from the beginning so im happy with pretty much anything because it means more whimsicott fusions

[inland jewel]

One day I can get my lilligant fusions

[zinc cave]

i believe in you

[high haven]

Fair enough, just not a big fan with Lycanroc. Or Altaria for that matter, again we have Whimsicott

[zinc cave]

ill get my blacephalon ones one day

[high haven]

Someday Seviper will get it's time

[zinc cave]

for me it was sharpedo, cuz i feel like its a garchomp with no body

[pure flower]

y'know. Here's a fun thought. Since Night and Day forms are different 'pokemon' effectively

[pure flower]

you can fuse them together and get a stat change out of it

[inland jewel]

When you are finished with that list I’d love to see it

[loud sorrel]

yeah im working on it

[pure flower]

although thinking about it...

if a pokemon has the exact same stats in both fusion slots, the stat won't change, would it?

[loud sorrel]

i dont think so no

[pure flower]

I see

[high haven]

Nope, like Charizard and Typhlosion their stats won't change

[surreal chasm]

Rockruff

[pure flower]

oh yeah I just remembered. A while ago, I calcuated the stats for Lurantis/Groudon and Groudon/Lurantis

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[high haven]

Wait do both forms of Lycanroc have the same stats?

[pure flower]

Not quite. Same physical attack stat but other stats differ

[inland jewel]

Dusk is bulkier with less speed

[zinc cave]

is that new update with all the new pokemon?

[pure flower]

believe so yes

[high haven]

Okay

[pure flower]

though the one that's gonna take the most amount work is Necrozma for several reasons.

[zinc cave]

i might try and do new game + with a new fusion then like maybe goodra

or bewear or scolipede

might put delmise to neutral since i feel like it could have interesting fusions

tho i feel like its a nautical aegislash

[high haven]

I just learned that Mienfoo evolves into Mienshao at level 50

[inland jewel]

Unova moment

It’s like Pawniard at 52 and Braviary at 50

[high haven]

Why? Why does it take so long to evolve?

[zinc cave]

unova evolutions are like, what if most of our pokemon evolved at levels stronger than the elite 4

[inland jewel]

In BW you get mienfo at around victory road

[zinc cave]

volcarona at 59 man

[high haven]

A

[inland jewel]

So for game design it’s around level 48 to catch and then you get to use it a bit before it evolves

[civic lily]

Zweilous to Hydreigon at level 64 lol

[orchid elk]

Wait

Why do I remember larvesta evovling at like lvl 72?

[calm cargo]

So no dusk form

[inland jewel]

Reason is pinned

[loud sorrel]

ok heres the list of candidates sorted by tier
take it with a grain of salt, theres a very slight chance ive made an error of some kind in here lol
it seems like theres a disproportionate amount of gen 5 unovan pokemon not in game yet
and yeah gen 3 is nowhere near done yet lol

[wintry imp]

Sigh

[loud sorrel]

not sure why i made a tier list thatll become outdated in like a week lol

[calm cargo]

[loud sorrel]

@inland jewel

[calm cargo]

I can't make my fursona

[glass dust]

zarn i guess yveltal didnt make it

[loud sorrel]

did some counting
the gen with the most missing pokemon is gen 5 with a whopping 112 pokemon absent
the gen with the least missing pokemon is gen 4 with 45 pokemon absent
(though technically gens 1 and 2 have the least missing pokemon cause all pokemon in those gens are in game lol)

[brisk vessel]

Lack of Gen 5 representation (even with Scoli and Garbo) is another reason why we should add melo-

[loud sorrel]

meloetta would make a lot of people happy yeah

in total there are 346 pokemon absent
if ive counted right which hopefully i have lol

[pure flower]

Accelgor and Escaviler are neat.

I don't really know why they weren't grouped together- actually no. There's no trading system. All I can really think of would be something convoluted like having both in the same party, using a trade cable on one while the other is present to evolve both at the same time

[loud sorrel]

what if the two had to be fused to evolve
and the evolution would be the two stage 2 pokemon fused together
though im not sure how the game would hande two pokemon evolving at the same time

[pure flower]

Here's a better idea. Fused together and have a trade cable used on them.

So you can still use the base forms fused together without forced to evolve

[loud sorrel]

ooh that could work maybe
though i still dont know how the game would handle them both evolving at the same time while fused
like would it have two back to back screens of evolution
would it need two trade cables lol

[pure flower]

it'd probably be back to back screens of evolution. There's cases of both pokemon hitting their evolution critera at the same time while fused

[loud sorrel]

ok then it should be fine

[arctic oyster]

whats wrong with lycanroc

[zinc cave]

i like it as a pokemon but feel its redundant in fusions

nevertheless its still someones fave so whatev

[pine apex]

can you make this one public?

[zinc cave]

i just used the big one ngl its not just the ones in

[pine apex]

ah

[merry ingot]

is the rockruff line will be the last pokemon to be added?

[fair jewel]

No

we're getting at least 1 more

[merry ingot]

Is the starter mon will be added, I remembered they got a bunch of votes

[loud sorrel]

they did get a lot of votes
but the devs said that theyd be set aside for this whole event to allow other pokemon to get in
and they might add them in at a later date because theyre so popular

[heady ore]

so when we will get the Trevenant contest mon?

[wide hare]

Next week together with the update release i guess

[edgy dune]

Are there more mon to be announced?

Oh I just read three lines above and can see we're definitely getting one more

[mental jungle]

did no new starters get in on the new mons thingy?

[empty leaf]

so we've got one more line and then we would be set?

[eager jungle]

the trevenant "winner" gets his choice added to the contest raffle

[heady ore]

If I win, Im adding Hippopotas

[pure flower]

contest raffle?

Like, does that mean there's a chance their choice won't be chosen? Just added to a list of potential things to be drawn?

[eager jungle]

that's it, i can't say more

[empty leaf]

guess we'll find out next week, maybe

or something, idk, they did say that the update is coming next weekend

[pure flower]

I mean. I don't really mind how it works, but could be fun to get an idea on it after everything is done

[elfin forge]

Will some of the new mons be early game?

[pure flower]

I could see stufful being early game probably

[empty leaf]

I could see a few being early game while others being mid to late game

[lofty robin]

Can someone clear up some more info about this fusion break through that's allowing more pokemon? I've read somewhere that it's still impossible to add every pokemon ever but I guess I'd like to know how many more we could add after this last choice/ the hypothetical future starters.

[lofty spindle]

Previously, all fusions, stats types and stuff, were all in the files for each possible fusion, causing file bloat.
Now, the game instead generates fusions on the spot from the components.
This means that instead if having storage-devouring 170k+ statblocks, we reduced it to just 460+.

The reason not all Pokémon can be added is completely unrelated.
The version of Poké Essentials only supports Pokémon up to gen 7.
If we wanted anything beyond we'd need to remake the game from scratch, or else risk it exploding.

[lofty robin]

Thanks for the answer! So that means that eventually we could see everything up to Gen 7?

[edgy dune]

That would be cool! My kid is super disappointed Deerling didn't make the cut

[lofty spindle]

That is how I understand it.
This would also include Meltan, btw.

[edgy dune]

I have decided to be ride or die for Deerling and I will be satisfied with nothing less I'm afraid

[lofty robin]

I suppose that's less reason to worry about the result of the last poll then. Even if my choice doesn't get in, it'll just be a matter of patience.

[lofty spindle]

Could be years though.

[abstract glen]

May i ask to what regions of pokemon added?

[empty leaf]

wait, wasn't Rockruff from the Spriter's Choice, is there anything else I'm missing

[edgy dune]

I've given up trying to understand the systems behind this. I think various members of the team just keep adding stuff until Toad pushes back and so far they've just gotten away with EVERYTHING

[empty leaf]

unless it's a mix of one person to pick a set and another from the raffle poll? then again I might be losing track

[lofty spindle]

Fact is, a set of people was chosen for a raffle for one final addition, to be announced right after the update.

[lofty robin]

Oh so the raffle winner line will be in the update but we just won't know what it is until it's out then.

[empty leaf]

inb4 they give them time to make a few sprites for the last pick but keeping them within a private thread so they can reveal and have some ready for the update, which would be a smart move if that the case.

but if that wasn't the case, at least we will get some cool design being added to the game and we might see some starters being added in the later date, maybe...

since we do have 465 in the game, which give us 216,225...well techinally 466 (217,156) due to Ultra Necrozma

[timber apex]

Just to know, what make gen 8 and 9 Pokémon so special on a design/coding perspective ?

I’m just wandering why they can’t be add in their standard form, or if at least they can’t be altered to use the basis of a pre gen 8 Pokémon ^^

Ho or maybe the tool you use in the game have pre-made Pokémon in them to add the game and they not are in the database ? 🙂

[empty leaf]

well, technically Pokémon Essentials does have Gen 8 Content within their code but that's V20 and onward, meaning that PIF is pre-V20

[timber apex]

So Pokémon essential is like a database with already register Pokémon and move right ?

But in that case, is it possible to treat the gen 8 content like fakemon, and copy their profile from the game ?

I know it will be tedious on the animation of the move but it can work right ? 🙂

(I’m just curious, I’m a game designer myself, so I’m interested ^^)

[empty leaf]

I think it's a case of "is it worth updating Pokémon Essential to the latest version and would all the plug-in works with said latest version?" among with other questions, while I'm not really a game designer or have mess around with the engine/code so I'm just guessing on my part, maybe someone who is more aware/did mess around/work on Pokémon Essential could answer that.

also one thing I've noticed, if we do add a new set of starter to the game, we would have 474 if they do just one gen or something like that.

[timber apex]

Thanks for your answer in any case 🙂

[empty leaf]

No prob

[agile olive]

no it's the pokemon engine in rpg maker, but IF uses a loooot of custom code that is built on top of it. it would just be a huge amount of work

[prime dust]

^ its a combo of this and Pokemon Essentials

[agile olive]

? pokemon essentials is the engine

[prime dust]

yes, but IF is using an older version

[fair jewel]

RPGmaker is the engine, Essentials is a database

[agile olive]

it's not just a database, it's the mod for rpg maker that gives it all the pokemon stuff

[fair jewel]

Potato potato

[agile olive]

damn mordrid is stuck on the keyboard

[prime dust]

we're just saying both are responsible; yes the engine and custom code are the main driver behind it...aren't discounting that

but its also the fact we are on an older version of Essentials that prevents gen 8 stuff

sorry; got told to cat, made typing difficult...

[fair jewel]

Wonder why we don't have Lycanroc Dusk?

[stone cliff]

Introduced as an event mon and isn't distinct enough from midday

[fair jewel]

Ah
Dusk has cooler colors though, oh well

[stone cliff]

It has been a much questioned decision lol

[fair jewel]

i don't really care about Lycanroc anyways, was just curious

[stone cliff]

You may be the only one, this chat was a warzone earlier

[fair jewel]

About dusk?

[stone cliff]

Yee lol

[agile olive]

that explains the pin lol

[orchid elk]

Ngl I didn’t even know dusk lycanroc even existed

Looks really cool tho

[remote crest]

Hey guys i am stupid here but i dont understand why there are still pokemon getting in

[thorny ferry]

Lycanroc was added because of the spriter's choice poll

[remote crest]

so the spriters got an exclusive poll to make a choice, right? got it

and why are people saying we get 1 more line?

[alpine rune]

Contest winners

Also trev winner I think

[remote crest]

Oh so its more than 1 line?

arent we getting like a huge amount of the mons in the original poll ahhaha

feel like rather than choosing the winners we are choosing the losers that wont get in

[alpine rune]

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-pokemon-pokémon-shields-down-super-meteor-650-gif-13438644593076750957

[prime dust]

the trev winner got thrown into the winner's raffle

[alpine rune]

We getting more mons, I don't get why you're complaining

[glass patio]

the better gen 7 rock type

[prime dust]

so yes, we get 1 more reveal; after that it is more of a "when frogman has the time"

[alpine rune]

Unless you're one of the 3 who voted pangoro because haha Jotaro

[glass patio]

add slowbro 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[lofty spindle]

Pangoro gives us needed Dark and Fighting types.

[remote crest]

i am not!

and the full update is coming this weekend? cant wait

[prime dust]

i don't see how that's doable, given we don't even know what mon/line has gotten the winner's raffle

[remote crest]

well but thats what they said in announcents right?

[prime dust]

they still need to reveal that and then add it into the encounter tables

i doubt it very much so; unless they are planning to add in the winner's raffle mon in a separate update

[remote crest]

But they said so?...

[prime dust]

the event manager said...

[remote crest]

I doubt he would say wtihout having confirmation from frogman right, that would be weird af

specially in announcement and big text like its not just a random messge on the chat

[glass patio]

Yeah, about that…

@remote crest

[remote crest]

So basically the update is coming but it will have like 1 line missing or something?

[prime dust]

ah

[glass patio]

I guess so

[surreal chasm]

where's dusk lycanroc

[remote crest]

weird way to do it but okay

[glass patio]

Where’s dinosaur extinction space rock

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[prime dust]

unless winner's raffle choses it, it ain't getting added this batch

[glass patio]

im just saying random stuff now

i dont even have hopes now

[limber niche]

I mean there's always the option to add it to the game before announcing it

[glass patio]

reality is often disappointing

[lofty spindle]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if that is how they do it, keep it as a secret for us to uncover and then announce it once people find it.

[glass patio]

would be cool

would have no sprites tho

[remote crest]

yeah its going be be kind of weird to have some pokemon in the game with so few sprites Dx

[limber niche]

Some of the other new mons won't have any sprites yet either

[glass patio]

Wait wait
So it’s next week right?

so pokemon announced in october wont have sprites til december

[remote crest]

Its this week i think? yesterday they said "next weekend" so

[limber niche]

Exactly

[glass patio]

when the sprite pack comes

[remote crest]

i am afraid so

[glass patio]

That’s an L but well

[prime dust]

assuming the sprites get made and put where needed correctly, the game should still be able to grab them via the download function

[limber niche]

Lycanroc won't get any until January lol

Since it was a November announcement

[prime dust]

you guys forget the game downloads sprites from online?

[glass patio]

It’s cool to at least have them

[prime dust]

long as the sprite gets plopped where the others are, the game can grab it if you have the option on

[limber niche]

Yeah, but that's extra effort lol

[remote crest]

eh not that much haha

[prime dust]

it really isn't

[remote crest]

Lycanroc is one of my favorite mons but ill admit i dont think its that amazing for fusions- im still eager to see what comes out of it

[prime dust]

least with that option on you'd get some sprites before the pack gets released

[glass patio]

I only see something for midnight
It’s a werewolf idk

[remote crest]

Midday is my favorite XD

[glass patio]

lycanroc midnight with sandslash is werehog please

[glass patio]

or maybe with porygon idk

[gusty shuttle]

Pokémon

[glass patio]

#sprite-gallery message #sprite-gallery message #sprite-gallery message
fav lycanrocs, lmao they’re minecraft

[gusty shuttle]

Guys how do you pronounce Pokemon? I say Pókemon, and never heard anybody that says Pokémon

[glass patio]

Lmao same
who says pokÉmon

[sick wraith]

I was about to complain that they excluded dusk-lycanroc
But I guess you prob get that if you fuse Lycanroc-Day with Lycanroc-Night

[gusty shuttle]

Not even actual voice actors say Pokémon lol

[remote ibex]

gg rockruff enjoyers

[sick wraith]

Either way I hope that Lycanroc-Night results in some cool werewolf-fusions

[glass patio]

Lycanroc midday body with lycanroc midnight head, and make it an alt cause idk

[remote crest]

in spanish it is pronounced pokémon but in english its definetly pókemon... we would need to see how japanese people pronounce it lol

[glass patio]

also dusk is too similar to midday

[glass patio]

Cap, I speak spanish and idk anybody who pronounces it “pokémon”

[sick wraith]

Hmmm
Wonder if we get Bloodmoon-Ursaluna if we fuse Lycanroc-Night and Ursaring

Or something based on Bloodmoon-Ursaluna

[remote crest]

Huh- are you from south america or spain? in spain i definetly have everyone saying pokémon

[glass patio]

Or maybe in other places where they speak spanish they do idk im on south america

[glass patio]

Ohhh that must be why

[remote crest]

OH OKay yeah its a south america thing

[sick wraith]

So, how many reveals do we have left?

[glass patio]

Raffle and trevenant winners i think

[sick wraith]

So only two left?
Neat
Can't wait to get my hands on the new pokemon

[lofty spindle]

Do you think Midnight Lycanroc will get access to moongeist beam at the move expert?

[lofty spindle]

Those are the same btw.

[glass patio]

I wanna get minecraft desert temple #sprite-gallery message

[glass patio]

oh really
lmao
ngl i didnt know what people meant by raffle

[sick wraith]

Maybe when fused with a ghost-type?

Speaking of which
Midnight-Lycanroc and Gengar could be p cool

[lofty spindle]

Nah probably same stipulation as Clefable: fused with dark-type.

[hollow dust]

i'm assuming y'all are talking about which sylable you put emphasis on, which is not what the accent mark indicates
it indicates that the e is pronounced, so if you say poe-keh-mon or poe-kuh-mon then you're saying pokémon

[glass patio]

Add chandelure 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[lofty spindle]

Also conversely Sunsteel Strike for steel-type Lycanroc midday?

[lofty spindle]

Already in fella.

[glass patio]

Cap
Oh also add nincada 🔥🔥🔥

[remote crest]

youre not gonna believe this

[glass patio]

ADD UMBREON 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[hollow dust]

add jibanyan

[lofty spindle]

No they'll remove it.

[glass patio]

ADD MISSINGNO 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[edgy dune]

quick tell them to add deerling

[glass patio]

this is getting dumb now

[gusty shuttle]

That's a nice argument senator
👀

Anyone who wants to finish the sentence for me?

[glass patio]

idk

[white meadow]

@glass patio, the "about you" part of your profile is an active cognitive hazzard, I'll have you know that

[edgy dune]

In the UK the adverts for fire red and leaf green mispronounced it as Pocky-mon. I remember getting into an argument with my dad about it because it annoyed me and he insisted that the advert had to be right.

[glass patio]

cap

[gusty shuttle]

No men of culture here
"That's a nice argument senator, but why don't you back it up with a source"

[glass patio]

i didnt get it sorry 🗿

[white meadow]

It's easy to be right when you can bend the argument to your favor

[white meadow]

The source is that they made it the fuck up

[glass patio]

nah you dont have proof cap

[white meadow]

You're just proving me right even more

[edgy dune]

I hate this but also really want it

[glass patio]

lmao

[white meadow]

But we're getting nowhere with this argument, for the record, we both won, because I got you to change your "about you" info

[glass patio]

you don’t have any proof of that stop the cap 🧢
||nah youre right||

[white meadow]

Me right now ↑

[gusty shuttle]

Sussy baka

[glass patio]

||yoi’r*||

[gusty shuttle]

I want a sussy baka fusion

Get the sussy mushroom in

[glass patio]

There’s some ditto fusions that are sus if that works for you

[gusty shuttle]

But are they baka?

[white meadow]

Anyway, opinions on Lycanroc?

[glass patio]

Well they’re alts but still

[glass patio]

Meh

[gusty shuttle]

Me happy

[hollow dust]

i'm more a cat person

[white meadow]

Good for you bud

[white meadow]

Oh, then what's pokemon that you wanted in the game?

[gusty shuttle]

Catmon

[white meadow]

Who?

[hollow dust]

poipole and naganadel

[white meadow]

I see, shame they couldn't get in

[glass patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minior-minior-pokemon-pokemon-i-only-stand-for-one-flag-minior-nation-gif-23996712

[white meadow]

But you win some, you lose some

[hollow dust]

true, but at least my favorite (trevenant) got in

[sullen elbow]

Fuse them with miltank then

[glass patio]

Lmao

[opaque ether]

I'm late to the party, but HYPE MY #2 MADE IT IN! Can't remember everyone's names, but cheers to those who voted for them and kept up the propaganda!

[clever atlas]

Me here, Im happy too!

[pallid phoenix]

I'm so excited to use this eevee one man, adaptability accelerock sounds super silly

[pallid phoenix]

or, I originally thought that was an eevee. I may just be mildly braindead

[surreal chasm]

Rockruff sure is an addition

[glass patio]

Lmao

[tender flume]

man i wish we'd get cryogonal but i know it's never gonna happen

[surreal chasm]

Don't get me wrong I like Lycanroc, but I just wish we got something more... Unique.

Ludicolo, Spinda, Walrein, Toxicroak, Heatran, Musharna, Lilligant, Darmanitan, Sigilygh, Eelektross, Gourgeist, Salazzle, Golisipod, Minior, any ultrabeast. Heck, even Bruxish.

[lofty spindle]

Congratulations everyone, we passed 50 yes votes! Literally one of the most popular suggestions ever!

[inland jewel]

Lycanroc IS Spriter's choice. The next mon is winner's raffle

[empty leaf]

Righto

[inland jewel]

When Frogman was making IF, he was using V18 version of Essentials which only goes up to Gen 7. As time went on Essentials updated to V19, and then V21. each of them doing MAJOR coding/file overhauls, which changes how some files are read, what code is there, where things are stored, and by then IF was a complete game that was HEAVILY modified.

Updating to V19, and then to V21 would mean going through ever line of code to make sure that nothing is breaking, and the one time he did do so it it was a major mess, so Frogman doesn't bother.

The ONLY way for Gen 8-9 pokemon to be added in is for someone to translate the code from the changed V21 code, back to V18, and then translate that into Frogman's code

[gusty shuttle]

Dog is basic taste and everyone can agree with it. For every other pokémon you mention people would've split, so I guess there is merit to the addition of dog

[prime dust]

people are split anyway

no matter what got added people would have been "I mean its nice, but x mon would have been better"

[bold atlas]

yay rocko doggo

[inland jewel]

Only one left, Trev winner is combined with Raffle winner

[empty leaf]

So depending on how that goes, we could see the Dex number go from 466 to 468

[gusty shuttle]

Morgana propic I'm not answering you

Jk, you're right but dog is definitely more agreeable than a lot of others
It's like, you at the very list like it a bit, so you can be slightly satisfied about its inclusion, whether a more unique pokémon would make less people way more satisfied. That's my reasoning

My english sucks geez

[prime dust]

in my case that is accurate...i like all but one of the revealed mons...and the one I don't like was a bonus so...

[bold atlas]

🤔 still intrigued as to how Necrozma works, given it does in such a way that only it can have multiple forms in one dex-slot

[inland jewel]

or 466 to 470 if they choose the wurmple line

[prime dust]

U Necroz is battle state only

[surreal chasm]

Exactly. It's such a safe choice which makes it stand out so much less as a result. I'd take a controversial pokemon with a funky design over a pokemon with a safe one

[inland jewel]

UNecro is a test for battle-only forms. Like Minior and Wishiwashi. If it fails then there is a less chance for those guys to get in

[prime dust]

last i saw in the thread that had been made for it, the "plan" was:
Have Necrozma
Equip with specific item
Use specific move
Form shifts in U necrozma

[prime dust]

and kind of Castform

since that's a weird middle ground of nonsense

[empty leaf]

That's fair, it all depends on the raffle at the end of the day

[prime dust]

which would possibly require them to figure out how to make weather moves work out of battle

[prime dust]

more if the raffle kept the monkeys together

[inland jewel]

easy, just have castform use hail, rain dance, or sunny day, outside of battle

[prime dust]

well the 3rd one would make getting feebas a bit easier

[inland jewel]

the monkeys were seperate on Sprite Poll, so I think they're seperate here too

on that note, its interesting to note that if we had worked together we could have maximized the bonus mons added

since more pokemon is simply better.

[prime dust]

ah yes, spriters choice could have been Beautifly/Dustox and raffle could [if it has legendaries/ythicals] Solgaleo/Lunala

boom: 9 more pokemon

but no...yall wanted a dog

[craggy lynx]

k

[white meadow]

i wouldn't have voted for lycanroc personally but wanting another metamorphosis line instead of it is wild

like bro doesn't know the meaning of quality over quantity

[pliant igloo]

Dustox and beautifly are lame tho lmao

[white meadow]

exactly

[prime dust]

but 5 mons

[white meadow]

bro who cares about 5 mons if they suck

[prime dust]

and yet people wanted the monkeys...so your argument is invalid

[slim bone]

I agree, if they add 5 mons that suck it literally just eats up spots that could be for something actually good

[white meadow]

which people unironically want them?

[agile olive]

would love golisopod

[craggy lynx]

and yet too many people don't want them, so what's your point?

It doesn't matter if certain people want them if the majority doesn't want them

[autumn radish]

Oh, Lycanroc made it? Heh, neatto.

[sullen elbow]

How does that invalidate anything he wasn't the one who wanted them

[autumn radish]

I wonder who will win the winner's raffle, thought.

[agile olive]

they said they went with nobody's suggestion so I expect something wacky and fun

[craggy lynx]

Eelektross maybe, didn't see anyone suggest that guy

[surreal chasm]

How does that work

[slim bone]

Personally I think eelektross, dragapult, grimmsnarl or malamar lines would all be awesome picks

[craggy lynx]

gen 8 mons can't be added to IF

[slim bone]

Oh yeah forgot that

[sullen elbow]

Yes please, tired of the boring popular picks, I want the weirdos

[slim bone]

Hopefully somebody can figure out how to reverse that code bc it sucks that 8 & 9 have some of the best mons that can’t be added

Marshadow would be a fun pick

[surreal chasm]

Yeah I mean look at Toxapex! It's a weirdo and that makes its fusions more interesting

[slim bone]

Toxapex is a gigachad W pick

Most hype about toxapex & tyrantrum

[surreal chasm]

I'm really stoked that Palossand made it in because not only are people making cheeky sand sculpture fusions with it but also I get to make all the Constructions I can think of into body fusions!

[inland jewel]

but i want dustox 😡

[inland jewel]

bro, both IF code AND Essentials V21 is public domain

you can literally get the code for both and reverse engineer it yourself

And Frogman can easily give your mon of choice into the game as thanks for doing the heavy lifting

its what they did for Sableye when the person showed Frogman the proof of concept to overhaul the fusion system.

[prime dust]

nah sin, that requires work

[inland jewel]

Of course Work

[prime dust]

we're the lazy generation

[inland jewel]

Shame how people ask but never do.

[prime dust]

i don't know coding in any capacity so for me its "do i really feel like spending months/years to learn to code enough to fiddle with that"

so far the answer is a resounding "Nope"

[inland jewel]

What if i told you that Essential coding has tutorials on youtube as well

plus the documentation from the website itself

Literally all the resouces people could need are there, but no one wants to look for it. Granted I'm not doing anything about it either, but I also don't have the time to sit down and program stuff

[prime dust]

i have the time to learn, but not the drive

i'm old, i've lived through both console wars

at this point i just want to relax playing games...if this had been made and out like 10 years ago, then i would have been all over wanting to learn coding

[slim bone]

That’s pretty awesome & definitely makes it easier but Ik nothing at all about coding. Assuming it’s pretty hard to learn also. If I knew how to read code or do anything with it I’d gladly bust it down so we can get gen 8/9 mons

[slim bone]

How complex is it to learn this type of thing? & how much time does it take to do these things? (Again, I haven’t the slightest clue anything about coding, but probably willing to learn bc it’d be cool to help expand the game)

[prime dust]

i mean sin did say there were tutorials for Essentials on youtube

the coding for rpg maker [and whatever custom code Hypnotoad used] would likely be the more complex part

so the first bit would be figuring out how to change the V21 Essential code to work on V18

then find the discussion which has the IF code itself and figure out how to change the tweaked V18 code to Hypnotoad code

[slim bone]

Sounds straightforward enough on paper. I’ll try to look for guides on YT when I’m home from work & hopefully get whatever things downloaded I need. Also my gf has a cousin who I’m fairly positive knows about code so I can prob ask him for advice/help too, assuming reading code is kind of a generalized thing

[slim bone]

👀 does this follow the same rules as like no legends or starters, or is it kinda free game?

[whole nimbus]

Personally I'd love to see Eelektross

[prime dust]

Id assume starters are out of the run up if you figure it out, since they may get added anyway

We made it loud n clear w the votes we wanted the gen 5, 6, and 7 starters w the community poll

[lofty spindle]

Imagine we get a Legends Arceus reference one day, and receive Rowlet, Oshawott and... well, Fennekin by default, as a triple-pack.

[prime dust]

well regional variants are still entirely out the window beyond alt sprites of the base mons, or as alt sprites of fusions

[lofty spindle]

Never claimed elsewise.

[prime dust]

the only funny thing LA brings is Horse Palkia

...oh no...actually can we not, I forgot LA also had the derpy 4th genie

[charred cove]

Um, did I miss something? Didn't lycanroc have a third form?

[woven maple]

Pretty sure you're imagining it

(Check pins)

[charred cove]

Oh damn. That sucks. I liked dusk's color palette the most out of the three

[slim bone]

That’s fair. Assuming legends aren’t out, if I can figure out how to do the code, my most likely pick is Eternatus or Zacian. If legends aren’t in either I’m not really sure lol

& ig zamazenta by default if zacian bc they’re a duo

[prime dust]

they usually pair box legends together

[slim bone]

Pog

[prime dust]

so yes, if legends were allowed for that, and you figure it out...we'd get Sif and his cousin...

[slim bone]

Yeah bc I want a zacian & ceruledge fusion of artorias & sif 😢

[woven maple]

Of course the box legend pair rule doesn't apply to trios. They finally resolved the weird "Only Regigigas and no regi trio" situation only to give us a "Only Necrozma without Solgaleo or Lunala" situation.

[slim bone]

I can only dream

Yeah so like etern or zacian & zam

[prime dust]

the only real downside is players will want a way to create a quintuple fusion

[slim bone]

Triple is already pushing it imo

Like triples are fine but more than that is kinda crazy

[woven maple]

Are there any legendary quartets in the first 7 generations besides the Tapus?

[prime dust]

no

[woven maple]

Any non legendary quartets?

[sullen elbow]

Swords of justice

[prime dust]

eh

[woven maple]

I mean I'm not sure if that's a quartet or a trio with an extra

[prime dust]

those aren't really packaged as 4 tho

[woven maple]

Like I could see it going either way, but I'd lean towards the original 3 as a triple fusion

[prime dust]

they are packaged as 3 plus Kaldeo

[inland jewel]

most likely any regular mon

[sharp nebula]

2 beans and another 2 beans makes 3 and that one

[orchid flare]

Look idk about the rest of you guys
I just want Snorunt to get added. Ice types don't seem to be getting a lot of love
And I wanna make some Froslass fusions

[autumn radish]

Snorunt did get added.

[orchid flare]

WHAT? When
How long ago
How long have I been missing one of my all time favorites?

[autumn radish]

Two months ago on the 25th, as one of the vote pickers.

Even the pinned messages says it.

[prime dust]

it isn't in the game yet

[orchid flare]

I was gonna say, like I've been hitting the game HARD
And I've seen not a single Snorunt or any of its evolutions

[prime dust]

assuming the post Nec put in #announcements is correct, we'll get the update with all the new mons this weekend

[autumn radish]

Plus, some of us did play the Playtest version to test some of the new mons... I believe it was after Oricorio was announced as an extra.

Check the pinned messages.

[orchid flare]

Found it as you said that
Mb

[autumn radish]

I'm honestly happy that Regice and Froslass made it, since they're two of my favourite Ice-Type mons, and that there's also Aurorus for more ice-type.
I'm kinda sad that Lurantis may not make it, but i'm still happy regardless.

[orchid flare]

Like we just need an ice type update 😂 gimme that blubby boy Walrein

[high haven]

I'm kinda sad zero Fairy types were added

[orchid flare]

To be fair they got more love than ice types

Not this update
Just in general

[autumn radish]

Yeah, honestly some fairy types would have been cool.
I mean, nothing wrong with the fairy-types we already have in, but i did wish there were some. Let's hope that the winner's raffle will eventually land on one of them.

[coral solar]

Add more Ice and Fighting types before adding in any more of the #1 OP type

[high haven]

As much as I want Seviper to get in I really do want at least 1 fairy type, at least 1.

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

[coral solar]

If they need to add another Fairy type I would like for it to be Ribombee

[autumn radish]

Yeah, same.

[gentle ferry]

Delayed reaction but even though it wasn’t top pick really happy to see the doggos since they were my third.

[coral solar]

But Vanilluxe and Bewear first please

[gentle ferry]

It’s prolly Gastrover for the slug tho unless Trevenant winner/contest winners liked it too.

[orchid flare]

See I'm scared of Vanilluxe. Because the r34 boys are gonna fuse it with Miltank

[coral solar]

What could possibly be bad about fusing Ice Cream with Milk?

[orchid flare]

Idk
But they'll find a way

[autumn radish]

So, Vanilluxe, Bewear, Walrein or Abomasnow.
Abomasnow would be cool as well.

[high haven]

Counterpoint: W H A T

[coral solar]

You could apply that logic to literally any new mon, using it as an argument against Vanilluxe specifically isn't fair lmao

[gentle ferry]

Bewear is in already btw

[high haven]

Do you mean Beartic?

[sullen elbow]

Crabbobinable should be a top priority then

[coral solar]

Crabominable is the exception.

Leave that monstrosity for the very end

Preferably, forget that it exists

[high haven]

We don't need Crabominable.

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-refresh-crabominable-gif-25043982

[coral solar]

Credit to GF's design team where credit is due. They set out to purposely make an ugly mon, and they succeeded

[high haven]

Perhaps too well

[orchid flare]

They're gonna make it a milkshake or something

[coral solar]

But this is good.
This is creative.

[orchid flare]

Except it's just gonna be a miltank, in a cup, with straws coming out of it

[high haven]

Are you a spriter?

[coral solar]

Well I can definitely see that as a joke alt

[autumn radish]

And funnily enough, i would rather get a Crabominable over Basculin. At least Crabominable can learn Thunder Punch, and Iron Fist could be useful.

[orchid flare]

Do we have Corphish? Or am I just dumb

[coral solar]

I would laugh if all of the "lol useless fish" mons all get added in the same update.
"No one is ever gonna vote for these guppies so we just dumped them all into the Kanto waters out of pity"

Luvdisc, Finneon/Lumineon, Alomomola, Basculin, etc

[autumn radish]

Unfortunately no.
We still have to wait for the winner's raffle.

[coral solar]

I'd put Bruxish on that list but Bruxish actually has a concernignly large fanbase

[sand mica]

Alomomola is actually cool though.

[brave vapor]

What's always amazing about pokemon communities, is that no matter how awful you think a pokemon is, or looks. It always turns out to be someones favorite, or they are really disappointed isn't in.

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/alomomola-heart-fish-fish-out-of-water-pink-fish-sunfish-gif-2069669776498554565

[orchid flare]

I'm still just thinking about the most obnoxious possible Froslass fusion

[coral solar]

I'm Vanilluxe's only fanboy on this entire server lmao

[zenith relic]

Mhmm, everyone I mean everyone has their own favorite Pokemon even if the Pokemon they love is ugly

[sand mica]

Any other Grumpig fans here?

[coral solar]

Grumpig is just a guy

[brave vapor]

spoink yay, grumpig boo in my opinion

Was a very disappointing evolution for me :c

[sand mica]

Amazing dancing Pokémon in my opinion.

[coral solar]

I really don't understand the leap in design logic from "pig that bounces on its tail and literally cant ever stop bouncing or it dies" to "guy in pigsuit who likes to dance"

[orchid flare]

Happy to have Trevenant join the party though

[lofty spindle]

I like it.

[coral solar]

I don't dislike Grumpig, dgmw, but it's one of the most "I feel nothing" designs to me

[orchid flare]

Great start point
Bad evolution

[coral solar]

Tru. Spoink is GOATed

[lofty spindle]

I dislike Spoink, at least Grumpig is huggable.

[orchid flare]

Anything is huggable if you try hard enough
Hug a Slugma. It'll be fine.

[tame flax]

Grumpig is a mon that needs an evo

[orchid flare]

Give him the annihilape treatment

[brave vapor]

Nah, no evo for grumpig, alternate evo form for spoink, that actually follows the design

[lofty spindle]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpm1.narvii.com%2F5726%2F461b94f1a0d2390eee1fd7d0bb5c0fa20ad36e66_hq.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=aa6e3b3e81fdd80071f77a113f97284ae79c9b540cb2f46ade43ec1eb14fdc14&ipo=images

[tame flax]

An alternate evo won't fix that stat pool

[orchid flare]

Nah just make an annihilape for grumpig. Where suddenly it becomes a stupidly strong pokemon

Goes from "Meh" to "OH DEAR ARCEUS NO"

[tame flax]

Make him part steel and turn him into a car

Make him a road hog

[lofty spindle]

As long as they do not make it look too gruff.

Actually, imagine they lean more into the dancer theme and it turns into a waifumon lol.

[tame flax]

Who said dancers have to be women?

[brave vapor]

Modern media

[lofty spindle]

Who says it'd be female-exclusive?

[tame flax]

Kommo o is a dancer, do they look feminine?

[brave vapor]

which is weird, because in the real world male dancers are both common and you know, important

[orchid flare]

He becomes a Psychic/Flying type because he rediscovered his love for bouncing and mastered it

Give Grumpig a trampoline

[brave vapor]

Evolves and just becomes a bigger spoink, circle of life or somet

[orchid flare]

Grumpig evolves to have those Moon Shoes from the 90's

[drowsy elm]

So the game is coming this weekend?

[tame flax]

Who knows

[drowsy elm]

Or the update I mean

[steep kiln]

you'll get multiple third degree burns, but you'll be fineeee

[orchid flare]

4th at least

But I'm really wracking my brain on what kind of ridiculous stuff you can make with Froslass
Is that monster getting Ominous Wind?

[autumn radish]

Late response, but for me, Lumineon is alright. Alomomola is fine, but i really wish it was an evo form of Ludvisc...
And between Ludvisc and Basculin, since Basculegion is a Gen 8 mon, i'd go with Ludvisc instead (just because i despise Basculin that much).

[prisma willow]

Why does Luvdisc even exist?

[orchid flare]

Yes

[coral solar]

A way to get Heart Scales in Gen 3 games

Before they made them more easily accessible in literally every game from Gen 4 onwards

[prisma willow]

And that's the only reason apparently.

[tame flax]

Just hide them in the sand and have them respawn

How many years did it take for them to think of that?

[autumn radish]

Heart Scales.
Which soon left the purpose once Heart Scales did get more accessible from the following gens.

[prisma willow]

Ah yes, I am going to catch tons of useless pokemon that only exist for this purpose for the chance one of them might be holding the item I want.

[orchid flare]

About as many minutes as they put into scarlet/violet

[prisma willow]

Good game design that. /Sarcasm

[coral solar]

If you were actually catching Luvdisc instead of spamming Thief, that's a you problem

[restive arrow]

so wait we're getting the new update next weekend?

[clever atlas]

Seems like it

[wanton coral]

Are we getting dawn form Lycanroc??

[mystic rivet]

Only midday and midnight. Dusk is basically the two fused together anyway.

[tranquil path]

Check pins

[lofty spindle]

We could make a hypothetical Dawn form if we do the inverse fusion we'd use for Dusk.

So Midnight/Midday for dusk, Midday/Midnight for "Dawn".

[sudden jackal]

Ooo that sounds sick!

[mystic rivet]

Tbh I was never big on the design of dusk form. I liked the color but it didn't really feel like part midnight

It has pomp spike and that's kinda it really.

[inland jewel]

BASED

[feral bear]

Bruxish

[silent acorn]

I Wonder how long it took them to design Alomomola, Gen 3 to 5 is not a big gap

Actually why did they just choose to make a small wittle fish the rep for romance in the series?

I feel like Alomomola feels more like an image of love and how it makes you all fluttery and stuff

[forest vapor]

I can die happy omgggggggggg yes lycanroc finally!!!!!! crying

had almost lost hope and didn't check announcements as much 😭

[mystic rivet]

Was hoping to fuse sableye with a 3 stage new mon for my starter in a new game+, but expected more to choose from than venopede and goomy lines.

[olive dagger]

nah cuz i'm here and i love ice cream pokemon

honestly? food pokemon are basically all my faves. swirlix, dachsbun, alcremie, sinistea, they're all so good

[mystic rivet]

Personally would have been fine wirh fun ice cream fusions.

[coral solar]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-people-found-you-heel-click-gif-5497439

[olive dagger]

tbh tho since so many Fairy types are themed around sweets and food I do wonder if the Vanilluxe line could've become Ice/Fairy

but on the other hand. they're not actually ice cream cones, they're icicles topped with snow

[coral solar]

If Vanilluxe were actual ice cream, maybe. But it’s just ice and snow shaped in such a way that it resembles ice cream

[olive dagger]

maybe there should be a regional form of it that's ice fairy then

[mystic rivet]

I think pure ice is fine since it's mostly white and lighter blues. I'd argue fairy if it had more colors or toppings.

[coral solar]

Regional Vanilluxe form that’s Ice/Poison type.

And it’s yellow snow

I’ll take my leave now, thank you.

[mystic rivet]

I think stunfisk is probably my favorite regional transition. Natural selecting into a literal bear trap is awesome lmao.

[restive arrow]

Before swsh revealed the new pokemon, i predicted we'd get an ice/fire regional form

Unfortunately I thought that form would be a Vanilluxe with hot fudge, so I was only a quarter right when g-darm's zen mode was revealed

I still want a hot fudge sundae vanilluxe though

[coral solar]

Keeping in line with Vanilluxe's concept, the "hot fudge" would have to be something that only looks like hot fudge, but is really some other goopy hot substance entirely

[olive dagger]

molten lava...

[restive arrow]

Hot asphault maybe, kinda like road slush

[cinder oasis]

G-Darm is better

[olive dagger]

... ketchup

[restive arrow]

Either way, imagine how much Vanilluxe's usage would soar in vgc if it could spam both blizzards and heat waves

I know it's weak to practically every spread move in doubles, let me inhale my copium in peace

[mystic rivet]

I had shield so I didn't really get to use darmanitan.

[cyan hare]

so the line from the raffle will probably be revealed next weekend with the update right?

[pure flower]

Probably but won't be added in the update

[sterile spoke]

Unless Frogman is a time traveler. 😉

I mean, the fact we're getting new Pokémon at all is due to him being a magician, so anything is possible. 😮

[coral solar]

Wouldn't put it past him tbh

[white meadow]

Idk Would be weird if he let the contest winners decide and than wait months

[sand mica]

Well for some reason Alomomola is the caring Pokémon who heals and takes care of others...

[pure flower]

Yup. It's also why I'm not stressing out if any pokemon I want aren't added in this update. They can potentially be added in a future update a few months down the line

[cedar merlin]

Just get a sprite of the pokemon you want, find a pokemon with similar stats, replace the sprites, and BOOM just as good

just ignore the abilities if they match up. live in denial

[sterile spoke]

Our Ribombee and Pangoro chances are looking incredibly slim, friends. I'm really sad, and you should be too. 😦

[pure flower]

That'd work if the game didn't have fusion sprites

[sand mica]

The Skuntank battle may seem lost but I'm not going to give up on the war quite yet.

[pure flower]

There's enough room to support all the poll pokemon. It's a matter of when frogman feels motivated enough to add them

[lofty spindle]

Wanna fight for move expert continuing to give signature moves with us, instead?

[sterile spoke]

No, I want Ribombee more than anything. 😛

[lofty spindle]

These do not oppose each other.

[hollow quest]

i want lurantis more than anything

[odd storm]

So are all of the new mons coming this weekend or is it only the rockruff line and the other mons are out rn.

[hollow quest]

https://tenor.com/view/lurantis-gif-25238734

[white meadow]

I want to be loved more than anything qwq

[proud lion]

The former statement

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hello-darkness-kermit-my-old-friend-drm-gif-9482307

[feral bear]

Bruxish x2

[orchid vault]

I'm assuming the yet unnanouced contest winner raffle mon will not be included in that release, or will it be basically announced at the same time and just not have any custom sprite for the release?

[silk narwhal]

amen 😔