pif-hoenn-discussion

[zealous flint]

Yeah

At least i think so

[hollow quest]

garchomp line...

[mild sedge]

I still cant believe Necrozma made it in fr

[lyric quest]

Me wondering why my beloved Staraptor isn't in the game

[lyric quest]

I think they meant out of the 20 new Pokémon.

[hollow quest]

nevermind

[hardy timber]

I'm mainly surprised to see Ultra Necrozma make it in (and the form changing mechanics in general).

[sterile verge]

Yea that's gonna make the Minior fusions so good

+Wishiwashi gets a schooling form but for realsies

[hardy timber]

And maybe we'll be able to get Giratina-Origin and the Rotom Appliances as well.

[sturdy frigate]

does ultra necro change shape or something?

[hardy timber]

It's design, stats, typing, and ability changes (so basically everything except moveset).

[sterile verge]

+normally you need to use his z-move to get him to Ultra

To say the odds were stacked against U-Necrozma is an understatement

[drowsy drift]

z-moves are technically possible in the game already as the version of pokemon essentials IF is built on supports them

I am hoping that necrozma's transformation would the sole inclusion of them in the game

[zealous flint]

I wonder if they are ever gonna add necrozma

Probably for the raffle tbh

[graceful torrent]

hey buddy i got good news for you

[zealous flint]

i alrdy knoe

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-25617057

[civic lily]

Not only that, normally it's only transformable from Dawn Mane or Dusk Wings Necrozma, not the base black Necrozma

But here they just skip Lunala, Solgaleo, and the combined forms lol

[white meadow]

sorry if im dumb or if ive missed this but is there a set window for when the new pokemon will release?

[tardy flame]

hopefully before the year is out

afaik thats official too

[noble holly]

hello, I haven't played PIF in a while,
does the new pokemons already updated in the patch and playable in game?

[sterile verge]

No

[noble holly]

is it already known the date when they will implant it in game, or still TBA?

oh damn it just asked before right before me
sry, if im not reading lol

[tardy flame]

Like I said I believe the official stance right now is "Hopefully before the new year"

[noble holly]

anywy, thanks

[warm verge]

When are all the new Pokémon getting added in exactly

[noble holly]

[proud lion]

Soon (2-3 weeks maybe)

[verbal ridge]

I think Gardevoir has many variations of the same fusions. Scrolling through the sprite gallery, I saw a few key repeats with the ralts line, like palkia gardevoir, dialga gardevoir, volcarona gardevoir, aegislash gardevoir etc.
If that wasn't the case, it would have been maxed out already.
That being said, it having so many variations means that we have a lot of different and good interpretations of the same mon. So I am thankful for that.

[loud sorrel]

it just depends on how people wanna approach spriting
sometimes they just have many ideas for how the same sprite should look
would it be ideal if they focused on fillilg out the empty holes? probably
but it depends on what the spriters want to do

and hey if you see a hole that needs filling, anyone's free to make their own sprite and post it to spritework

i do think we should try to fill out gardevoir's fusions though
maybe an event rush or an unofficial team effort lol

[verbal ridge]

The spriters fill out fusions for their own fun. I don't think that is strictly necessary.
At worst, people pick an unpopular fusion and then sprite it themselves or ask for a sprite here. They'll get filled out eventually.

[frank marten]

event rush for a mon thats basically almost done seems like a bad idea

[loud sorrel]

eh i guess

and there are already a bunch of gardevoir fusions with the new pokemon

it is nice to have pokemon fusions filled out
but i guess its not totally necessary
if it is, someone will make a new sprite

[hardy gull]

I would love to see Trevanant and Dracovish 😮

[loud sorrel]

it wouldnt appear in game cause dracovish is gen 8
but it could still appear as a non IF sprite made for fun

[fair jewel]

Interesting choice of words given the context

[loud sorrel]

if we all work together, we can fill all of gardevoir's holes in no time!

[fair jewel]

Aaaaaaand it's no longer subtle

[loud sorrel]

aw i ruined it lol

[lean hedge]

I hope its gonna be lycanroc this week

[noble parrot]

dex number now!

[light garden]

I don't think that's in IF. :thinking: Did you misspell something?

[hardy gull]

yeh would be cool :3

[loud sorrel]

i do wish the galarian fossils would appear in IF
their fusions would be so fun omg

[shell tree]

Some should make an art of a Torterra and Jynx fusion and also when they switch fusions with Jynx and Torterra. Don't you guys agree?

[white meadow]

Y

[half quarry]

are any new pokemon avable?

[pure flower]

only in the test thing, but it's not updated to the latest monsters. It's still way before noivern

[grizzled cradle]

be the change you wanna see

[vague fog]

unfortunately, they did say adding in gen 8/9 mons would require a lot of additional work for them

[hollow quest]

it's impossible unless essentials updates to support them

[wooden hemlock]

are the new mons in the game yet?\

[half quarry]

do we have an eta on release?

[pure flower]

nope

[frosty wraith]

can there be the kalos starter trio?

[pure flower]

all starters up to gen 7 are a possibility in the future but not confirmed

[drowsy drift]

I've heard that "before the end of the year" is the current goal

https://tenor.com/view/emolga-pokemon-wink-hearts-gif-22868879

[white meadow]

There is a Beta kinda

[frank oxide]

pins

[light garden]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Aegide/autogen-fusion-sprites/master/Battlers/90/90.287.png

This fusion doesn't appear to have a custom sprite! You can search for it in the #sprite-gallery to make sure.

[opaque ether]

So we have all 20 of the community-voted Pokemon, right? Are there any unrevealed Pokemon left?

[prime dust]

2 more reveals

the spriter poll mon/line, and the winner's raffle mon/line

[opaque ether]

Cool. Not sure which Pokemon are still in the running, but hopefully Lycanroc and Mightyena still are.

[sterile spoke]

It's possible that Frogman might throw more bonuses at us (hopefully more Fighting-types), but yeah, the ones Mordrid mentioned are the only ones we know for certain, and we shouldn't expect any unannounced bonuses. 🙂

[fossil trail]

No meloetta...

[clever atlas]

Yet*

[prime dust]

we'll see; since they are mid contest, they might wait another week to do any more mon reveals; but until the weekend passes, I will assume they'll do the spriter poll reveal this weekend and the winner's raffle after that

[green girder]

anyone know if Tyrunt is in-game?

[clever atlas]

No but its gonna be

[prime dust]

none of the new mons announced are in the game yet
they will be added in the next big update
we do not have a set date for said update
dev will try to get it out before the end of the year

[opaque ether]

I'm holding off on my second playthrough until the update comes out. Fortunately I've got plenty to do until then.

There's a randomizer version right? If so I may do that next.

[prime dust]

yes there's a randomizer mode built it

once you have an existing save you have access to it

and honestly, you might be able to get in another run before that update

i think they are still figuring out the code for Necrozma changing into Ultra Necrozma via battle

plus they gotta plop all the new mons in the routes they belong, make an event or something for Necrozma and the Regis

[sterile spoke]

[prime dust]

you can finish a run before then

[sterile spoke]

Oh by the way, we're also updating Modern Mode to accommodate the new Pokémon. 😄

[prime dust]

guaranteed, unless you drag it out

[sterile spoke]

Encounter tables and trainer teams are being tweaked. 🙂

[prime dust]

you guys have to update all the modes for the new modes

[sterile spoke]

Modern Mode's an unofficial side thing, so it doesn't have to do anything. 😛

[tame flax]

To be fair, the whole game is unofficial

[agile olive]

oh boy team wild is gonna have still more work to do lol

[clever atlas]

Same

[sterile spoke]

And considering we've crammed in a lot of encounters, a lot more.

[proud lion]

Maybe for future upcoming legendaries/ mythicals, there can be hidden grottos with Hoopa Rings containing double/triple fusions of legendary and mythical Pokémon like the Justice trio, genie trio, XYZ trio, Melotetta-Diance-Magearna trio, etc.

[prime dust]

small issue there

the game is pretty much at the map limit

it'll likely be easier to add in new events in the existing map files for legendary/mythical mons once specific requirements/conditions are met

[white meadow]

Hidden grottos yes please
For legis no

[prime dust]

we might have to cull some buildings for more hidden grottos, since I don't know how many more "loading zones" they can add before hitting the actual cap

note to self, do a run of the game, while creating a document of all buildings that could theoretically be culled

[white meadow]

I mean he is close to the map limit and I guess building count in that right?

[zinc terrace]

Ah, RPG Maker XP, how I despise it

Shame that the vast majority of technical limits in IF are because of it

[prime dust]

from what frogman said before, any type of transition is considered a "map"

be it between an open area like a town and a building in that town
or going from a town to an open route
stuff like that

the reason Cianwood and Olivine were ditched is because outside of the gym, the city had no real use...obviously the rest of the cities have enough of a use to keep [though if we had to ditch another the easiest thing I can think of would be Crimson since it isn't really used for much outside of 1 static mon encounter; and a hotel to make money from; we can always move the old lady to a different hotel]

but if we can ditch other buildings that don't have a use, then maybe we could add in new "hidden" areas for mons/events

[spice sage]

fun fact there actually are unused maps for olivine and cyanwood in the game

[prime dust]

i thought you 86'ed them

[spice sage]

nah they're still in there

[prime dust]

...

ok so they exist but are unreachable, semantics

[robust geyser]

he 1984'ed them

[sterile verge]

Canonically U-Necrozma banished them to Ultra space and no one wants to talk about because they dont want their town to be next

[prime dust]

that doesn't make sense

but yeah I'll still probably do a run to note any building that we could maybe yeet into the fabric of the void

[robust geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-gif-19260546

[sterile verge]

"That doesn't make any sense"
-Large Sibling

[sterile verge]

I believe in you

[prime dust]

might add it onto my current randomized run so i'm not starting from scratch

[sterile spoke]

Release the Olivine and Cianwood cut.

[inland jewel]

The new update brings us Olivine and Cianwood because it now has a purpose outside if the gyms

new pokemon merchant from Alola

[left knot]

Has the game really run up on the map limit? It's like 1000 iirc

[sterile spoke]

Imagine having to wait until mid-Johto to get the new Pokémon. 😅

[prime dust]

its the map limit of the game engine, its close

if you check the files, were on map799

that's all availabie cities, buildings, caves, etc.

plus maybe the stuff for cianwood and olivine

so if the limit is 1,000...then yes

[spice sage]

Sure if you want to just walk around in empty maps

[prime dust]

lol

ghost towns

[spice sage]

The original plan was that Olivine would've been an optional city that was accessible right after the SS Anne (and Cyanwood once you obtain surf by extension). But I didn't really have enough ideas of stuff to put in it so I scrapped it for now

I still like the idea of being able to visit part of johto early-ish game so I might actually revisit that at some point

[robust geyser]

You could just add Hoenn instead, not like it would be a lot of work or anything 🤷‍♂️

[prime dust]

it would be; that'd probably take up most if not all the remaining maps

[robust geyser]

You're probably right, better add Sinoh, Unova and Kalos

just to be on the safe side

[prime dust]

haha funny, but seriously, its already in the suggestions that no other regions will be added

[shell tree]

Because I would like to see what it looks like

[spice sage]

Almost all the new Pokemon are available pre-elite 4 actually

Only ones that are postgame only I think are necro, the regis, dhelmise and mareanie

[sterile spoke]

Lovely stuff, I was hoping that'd be the case. 😄

Mareanie, how come? 😮

Whirlpool stuff, or something? 😅

[violet pawn]

Mareanie noooooo!!!!

It's alright tho

[spice sage]

Close, it's cause it's required for progression in the sevii islands

[sterile spoke]

Ah, that makes sense, in that case. 🙂

[spice sage]

It's used to get rid of the corsolas blocking the way. Getting it early makes it possible to sequence break the game

[white meadow]

Randomizers will be fun

[violet pawn]

cool

[sterile spoke]

Oh, has the Mareanie Doll just been replaced with the real deal? 😂

[spice sage]

"sequence break" being used loosely here there's nothing actually plot related behind the corsolas but still

[spice sage]

Yes!!

[sterile spoke]

That actually makes it a really logical inclusion, in retrospect. 🙂

[sterile verge]

Pls don't make the Necrozma post ||Gold fight||

[tardy flame]

The corsola have realized the doll is fake, now you need a real one to nibble on their branches to make them run

[sterile spoke]

That'd be a cute Easter egg, if it's acknowledged. 😄

[spice sage]

It's not!

Or it can be I guess since it's a separate side plot thing, but it's around mid-postgame

[tardy flame]

Extremely excited for the update

[inland jewel]

if you do the olivine early for the SS Anne/Surf then its can definitely be a place to put some of the new pokemon

as well as allow players to have access to some early johto mons that they haven't gotten access to already

[tardy flame]

I am gonna solve a problem I always run into. With Milotic and Toxapex who gets to be on my team? I'll just fuse both and get a double bulky milotic with merciless. :3

[spice sage]

Yeah that's the main idea but like i want to also have interesting stuff to do in the city itself too! Maybe a bit of optional plot stuff etc.

[lofty spindle]

Making the map a little straightforward would always be appreciated.

[spice sage]

wdym?

[lofty spindle]

Well you know, a big point of critique in later Pokémon games has been that you basically walk down one big line.

Getting to move around a bit more wildly, with optional areas to explore, is always nice.

[spice sage]

Oh right I totally agree. I thought you meant making it more linear

[lofty spindle]

Arguably you did this with being able to enter Saffron City early. :P

[white meadow]

I mean with future legis you can add some stuff there too

[plain lintel]

As long as we get to see Chuck huck a Strength Boulder across his gym again I'm all for it, I missed that in the remakes

[spice sage]

legendaries before the 3rd gym tho?

[white meadow]

You can put the event to trigger later or that you need to collect something

[silent acorn]

Guys check #announcements

[lofty spindle]

Oh while we have you in chat, do you think the Move Expert will see an update?

[silent acorn]

OOOH... Which tho? Depending on which I think they are more or less balanced. Honestly regis would be good candidates

I tend to like the secret areas a lot, just gives more incentive to explore around, I do like that infinite fusion adds new things around the areas

Mushrooms, rocks, fishing, shame cut doesn't actually give you extra stuff I don't think

[silk narwhal]

@spice sage i have just one quick question

How does the pokedex work in the game?
like, where are the dex numbers stored, since the list of pokemon includes many that aren't in the dex and the numbers don't match

[spice sage]

Kinda but not in the way you want lol. I removed some moves from it like Flying Press since they're no longer unavailable outside of it

[silk narwhal]

the file i'm talking about is the pokemon.txt inside PBS/Gen 5

like, is that where the game pulls ALL the pokemon from and THEN the pokedex is separate and only has some?

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ff14-frog-vibing-final-fantasy14-magic-gif-17118051

The magician toad never ribits its secrets

[rare sage]

[silent acorn]

Man snorunt at seafoam gonna suck tho. Wanted to get it for run without wanting to evolve it right away

[paper void]

are the new pokemon added yet or no

I haven't played in a while but figured I should wait till the new ones are added before doing another run

[silent acorn]

No my liege

What I find interesting is that you can level up two pokemon even if it isn't what you would use for the final battles

[silk narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

[silent acorn]

New game plus is such a blessing.

[paper void]

thanks

your service will be rewarded in the afterlife

[oblique sigil]

did someone already make a porygon and necrozoma fusion yet, and if so, what does it look like?

[proud lion]

How long does it take to add one Pokémon into the game (single stage to make it simple)?

Taking account on porting all currently disable heads and bodies from the ja.peal site, movesets, etc.

[silk narwhal]

to the game itself?

the time to code the encounters and the dex

[proud lion]

In general.

[spice sage]

Nah the pokédex includes everything that's in the pokemon.txt file

[silent acorn]

Quality Redux

[silk narwhal]

huh, so you just need to code the encounters?

then how do you define the order and the numbers

oh what the fuck there are multiple pokemon.txt files

i assume the game uses the one in PBS and not in PBS/Gen 5

[inland jewel]

there is the natinal dex, and then there is the regional dex. its also a matter of coding the routes to include a pokemon

[silent acorn]

The end is nigh

[spice sage]

The worst part by far is getting the sprites from japeal thankfully Kuray helped with that this time around. For the Pokémon data I just use pbs files that other people made and tweak them a bit when needed. With the new system I can just add the base mons and the fusion stuff is all calculated automatically so it isn't too bad

[silent acorn]

Basically you have to scan it

[oblique sigil]

wdym

[silent acorn]

Oh right because you have to the files to have the program use it, so you need to download each and transfer each one haha

[spice sage]

Then it really depends on the mon for actually adding them to the game. Some of them I can just throw in a wild encounter table and be done with it while I spent weeks on others like necrozma or the regis to make new maps and game events to obtain them

[silk narwhal]

so which files do you use

the ones in the main PBS folder?

[lofty spindle]

Oh dear, were others added in their place?

[spice sage]

For the new batch I tried to do at least a little something unique for each new mon, even if it's just a small quest that says "go there and find me that pokemon"

[silk narwhal]

wait i just realized it says to look at the wiki to learn how to edit the files

[rocky condor]

Sorry if you've gotten this question a lot but i'm kind of curious since i haven't seen an answer. Since there's no technical limit on mons able to be added, just how often will these pokemon vote polls be? Once every few months? twice a year?

[spice sage]

There's no plan for now

[rocky condor]

ah, fair enough. Thanks for the reply

[silk narwhal]

are we allowed to make our own mods

[rocky condor]

If chatot can't get in officially, i'll FORCE him in with mods

WITH the microphone chatter gimmick might i add.

[silk narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-its-mid-ugly-nah-gif-19839131

[rocky condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cory-cory-x-kenshin-cory-side-turning-meme-meme-turn-gif-750329713875275073

wrong.

[silk narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999826254851211294/1168630212473405492/crunch-cat.gif?ex=655276b2&is=654001b2&hm=43f72525ca1287c50f57ec6214fff65b56f10eaaafca3a57cbed697804354f8c&

[sterile spoke]

You'd need access to the code for that, and even us Modern Mode people don't have that access. 😛

[silk narwhal]

what do you mean by code

the rxproj file?

[sterile spoke]

The code that makes the game work.

RPG Maker XP games come compressed, so certain things are missing so people can't just edit the game themselves. 😅

[silk narwhal]

i mean, the pokemon file isn't, and neither are the abilities, moves and encounters

[sterile spoke]

You have to compile them in order to make them work with the game though, I'm pretty sure.

Modern Mode took like a day for Frogman to compile, and we initially had typos so it needed to be fixed and compiled again. 😂

[silk narwhal]

huh

[strong star]

Is there any chance liligant would be added? There is a npc that has a petil but they say can't be found here

[sterile spoke]

It doesn't seem likely right now, given there's only a few slots left. 😦

[rocky condor]

Nah, i'll get chatot in one way or another. I'm getting my funny bird in

[proud lion]

Same deal with Musharna

[hard tinsel]

do we know already how Ultra Necrozma is gonna work?

[fallen loom]

since it's so OP, probably super post-game

[lyric zenith]

is there a data for the Release of new the pokemons?

[prime dust]

before the end of the year hopefully

but not set date if that is what you mean

[meager python]

He probably means how it will become Ultra Necrozma

[prime dust]

from the discussion I saw, the "plan" assuming they can get the code to work; is that it will be a battle only state

requires a held item and a specific move to use and necrozma turns into ultra

[meager python]

Because its not a standalone mon in the main games, you have to use the Z move with dawn wings or whatever the other necrozma fusion is

[prime dust]

that's the main games, here it'll be different, as i just explained

equipped item + move use = ultra necrozma

[meager python]

We finished typing at similar times

So I couldnt read it by the time I sent my message

[fallen loom]

Yes, I mean whatever makes it become that has to be super post-game, or it'll be too OP

like imagine getting Necrozma in Johto and then getting the what to turn it into Ultra Necrozma right away, that will just decimate the Johto Gyms and Red

[sand mica]

Remember, I'm going to be the one asking for Skuntank to be added every so often if it doesn't get in now.

[hard tinsel]

thanks

[fallen loom]

600 BST -> 754 BST is a huge jump

[prime dust]

np

[fallen loom]

imagine fusing Ultra Necrozma with Rampardos

or Slaking

[restive arrow]

normal/dragon with huge attack stat

[silent acorn]

Wonder how that works for fusions

Does it just switch Sprites on the go right then and there? I mean i don't mind out of battle change as op as that would be.

[prime dust]

i think that is the case, but honestly i lost track of where the discussion for that was in the discord

but yeah U Necrozma will not exist outside battle

this is why there won't be a U Necrozma/Necrozma fusion

it'll be double Necrozma/Necrozma or U Necrozma/U Necrozma

[silent acorn]

That's why I mentioned in battle form changes are a bit harder to pull off than the cosmetic ones

[prime dust]

🤷‍♂️

[silent acorn]

U necrozma/u necrozma Sounds so weird like you need both with dual stuffs, pretty much new game only

[prime dust]

shorthanding it so i don't have to type out ultra

[silent acorn]

Honestly one like castform had the extra thing of conditioning it to weather so that's another mess to deal with

[prime dust]

I guess it is better to try and nip in battle form shifting in the bud now rather than later

if this fails that means castform might require a oricorio treatment

[silent acorn]

I thinks it's only necrozma that can do that right now so it will probably be for the best it's the first one to check how feasible that is

[prime dust]

yes

[silent acorn]

If they had to do like all of the in battle ones, I can only imagine the headache

[prime dust]

necrozma is the only one atm for this experiment

i don't think they will backtrack on existing stuff, so aegislash may remain the same

[silent acorn]

Imagine they start adding starters I can already imagine the greed for ash greninja cuz why wouldn't they

[prime dust]

and castform is the only other shifter like that

[prime dust]

ash greninja would likely be an alt, since that kind of falls into a weird category

[silent acorn]

Cherrim does that like only one with sunny
Yeah ash greninja does fall in a weird one.

[prime dust]

true but that's just 1 weather effect

castform is multiple

sun
rain
hail

[silent acorn]

The one that would be a downgrade with the in battle change is darmanitan as that one is pretty bad.

I thought it didn't have sand.

[prime dust]

maybe i imaginged that one, or it was a mod

[silent acorn]

It was a mod

[prime dust]

whelp

[silent acorn]

High castform be Like "YESSSSSS FINALLY"

[cosmic thunder]

Is each Oricorio form going to be a separate Pokémon ? Fandom Wiki seems to think so

[silent acorn]

Yes

[cosmic thunder]

And I just noticed the pin lol

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in8k-caight-in8k-memee-caught-in8k-samham-samham-caught-in4k-gif-24826364

[silk narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646196707524345886/1157786906243911791/IMG_1647.gif?ex=65343e95&is=6521c995&hm=181ab56222385c30d637e4a5755ab76318af9efe0458cb8bbe9171ca3075dd76&

[cosmic thunder]

And very interesting. I thought only 20 total were being added, But Amaura is 461. Is the 20 from the amount of lines ? As an example, the Goomy evolution line only counts as 1 here?

[sharp nebula]

theres been 20 picks from the community vote, all the others were extras

[limber niche]

There's a post in the Pins that shows the community picks and the bonus mons separated

#pif-hoenn-discussion message

[cosmic thunder]

I'm a massive derp

I can has math...

[tame flax]

There are more bonus mons than poll mons

[cosmic thunder]

420 + 20 = 440. WHY was I thinking it was 260 ...

That's forty you derp...

[tame flax]

And aurorus isn't even going to be the last one

Any clue on when spriter poll results are revealed?

[silk narwhal]

honestly, i'm kinda expecting today

[tame flax]

Oh?

[mystic rivet]

Idk why they'd stray from the weekly pattern.

[prime dust]

well they've got the necrozma contest going on

so they might hold off on the reveals for the spriter poll and winner's raffle a bit longer

[white meadow]

Butw why should they wait with the poll ones

[tardy flame]

they'll probably start revealing things week by week again until all of the raffles and prizes are shown I'd guess

[white meadow]

The raffle is one mon

[sterile verge]

same for the spriter's poll

[royal drum]

So, when will the winners be announced

[lofty spindle]

Theories say this weekend.

[coral solar]

Theories also said last weekend

And the weekend before that

[lofty spindle]

I mean... we did consistently get reveals during the weekend.

[prime dust]

the raffle reveal won't happen until the necrozma contest is done

which the submission for ended yesterday, we might see the results of that this weekend

but i doubt it

took em 5 days to announce the top 3 and honorable mentions of the regi contest after it ended...so figure something similar for necrozma

[silent acorn]

Raffle has to be alomomola

Someone wants to troll with the worse luvdisk

[surreal chasm]

If this is what can be done with Miltank just imagine what can be done with Slurpuff

[stone cliff]

How could you not love a pokemon based on this cutie

Wait, hold the fucking phone. Alomomola was gen FIVE??

[distant edge]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-the-simpsons-yes-gif-8238360

[lofty spindle]

Oh Mr. Sunfish
Oh Mr. ocean fish...

[mint flax]

any eta?

[remote crest]

any one has a list with the to be implemented pokemon?

i remember a visual one- But thank you!

[drowsy elm]

pre-new year

[arctic sorrel]

Would anyone like to make a Blaze Out of Space reference for a Necrozma fusion?

[mint flax]

2 big updates for my fav games great

[arctic sorrel]

Or how about a Ice Out of Space reference for Necrozma Regice fusion?

[iron quartz]

seems like i was right about the update dropping Around December-jan or smth like that

[tame flax]

Slurpuff

[severe wadi]

New pokemon out yet?

[agile olive]

no. it'll probably be a bit, the winner picks still need to be revealed and given time to make sprites

[white meadow]

I'll be honest, that's the First Non-Cursed Miltank Fusion that I've ever seen

[daring bane]

There are a few of those

Not many though

[iron saddle]

So i nacrozma and ultra nacrozma in the game now?

[bleak plaza]

in the next update yes

[iron saddle]

@bleak plaza Oh ok when's that

[bleak plaza]

it's gonna be a bit. I heard that the next update is planned to be out before the end of the year tho

[iron saddle]

Ok for both platforms or just pc

[bleak plaza]

I believe both

[iron saddle]

Ok that good because i play on the phone version

[bleak plaza]

fair enough

[iron saddle]

Yeah my pc crashed on me so i switched to phone

[bleak plaza]

rip. I feel that. The laptop I used for all my school stuff turned belly up recently

[iron saddle]

Well mine was a asus tuff gaming laptop

[bleak plaza]

rip

[green yew]

Okay, so, I have an amazing idea for Volcarona/Nekrozma(specifically Ultra).
https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Sol_Titanion

Use this as a base, give them Nekrozma's arms, design around Volcarona's body and Head, give them moth wings that, instead of fire, are white hot plasma evocative of the sun, kinda like this(but yellower):

Sol Titanion in Megaman Lore manages an artificial sun, Nekrozma wants to eat the sun(along with all other sources of light, but still), it's perfect!

We should also give it a Lampent to nom on, because moth.

[silent acorn]

We been talking about this whole time and you didn't know?

[stone cliff]

I don't look up through chat tbh lmao

[silent acorn]

By the way currently doing a nostalgia gijinka run on classic black because I am basic like that, gotta admit i am using a team of non winners but I am trying to see how fun they could be for IF.

Searching the internet I find to straight up replace zebstrika on any team and I am like "OK man this sounds familiar with Mighyena"

[silent acorn]

Well alomomola is gen 5 with people constantly complaining how it can't be luvdisk evolution, to the same people I question why did it take 8 gens for dunsparce to get any.

Like I am trying to enjoy mons as a standalone thing, sometimes they don't need to be game breaking just capable enough

[stone cliff]

Based on the name and theme of it I assumed it was gen 7, but that's also because I had stopped at gen 4 then played Sun lol

[silent acorn]

You heretic you skipped the Gen with the damn axe dragon, the knight, the crystal tank and best bugs

No seriously bugs in gen 5 are freaking crazy, they are the best pokemon you can use

[strong dust]

Alomomola was a gen 5 add

[silent acorn]

But yes alomomola is sort of the replacement for luvdisk a good one may I add

Its all luvdisk wishes it was

[stone cliff]

Yeah, I've heard gen 5 is a big fan favorite lol. Just kinda fell out of interest with Pokemon till around gen 7, which promptly made me uninterested again

[silent acorn]

Come in gen 9 and then come back in Gen 13

But Gen 5 was pretty fresh. It did have some mons that were better than others

Most of the good good are already in IF

[stone cliff]

Tbh, I just think the game has changed in a way that I'm not a fan of, but I can't put my finger on it. Infinite Fusion is like a breath of fresh air lol

[silent acorn]

3D inspired designs... Not a nice life until Gen 9

Like even 7 still felt like they were figuring out the 3d

[stone cliff]

It feels like it's been CoD-ified. It used to have a certain charm, but now it feels like they're just pumping them out

[silent acorn]

Like garganacl feels the closes in style to what 3d mons should be

[silent acorn]

Well what did you expect. Although I mean it would be worse to me if they release them every 10 to 15 years

Like 3 to 5 years in between feels fine enough

[strong dust]

Luvdisc has the stats of a pokemon caught between baby and mid stage tbf. 330 and 97 of that is its speed stat. As far as I know, the only reason people used it was for set up shenanigans. Beeg heart fish jumps to 470 and is an hp tank. Between those two things and their designs, it is no wonder people thought Alomomola was luvdisc evolution.

[stone cliff]

I mean, I also kinda feel that way about Nintendo in general. Everything they put out feels kind of soulless, save for maybe one game every few years

[craggy lynx]

i mean with a 4 year schedule to make a new pokemon game (I'm not a game dev, but 4 years doesn't seem like a lot of time to make a game for a franchise as massive as pokemon), of course it's been CoD-ified

[stone cliff]

The only official pokemon game I've enjoyed in a long time was Snap for switch lmao

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/its-getting-old-elder-kettle-the-cuphead-show-thats-a-long-time-ago-thats-old-news-gif-27352801

[silent acorn]

Eh to me it feels like they spent more time on gimmicks than actually designing anything

[stone cliff]

I feel like pokemon would be way better if Nintendo would let Game Freak do their thing but eh

[silent acorn]

They tried with gen 5 and then hit the brakes back change direction and went straight into CoD model, because "ewwww new pokemon bad, these designs are bad, they can't be Making designs without that old guy who did the first 2 gens"

Would I love darker pokemon instead of kiddie pokemon yes, would I care if kids cried? Nope

[craggy lynx]

and now they're already starting to recycle gimmicks, the whole "convergent" forms is a perfect example of that (Toedscruel, Wugtrio, Sinistcha), it's literally just "regional forms 2.0" with nothing interesting added to differenciate it from regional forms

[silent acorn]

Yeah but you see people clapping like seals at that like "OH MAI GUD ITS A NEW POKÉMON FROM THE OLD PORKEMANS"

[craggy lynx]

like i have never seen such a pointless addition for a franchise, like with the "convergent forms"
it's literally the most useless addition that pokemon has ever made

[silent acorn]

Like I Will die on the hill Of just giving the less popular mons new evos, those never cause issues because if you don't want it the classic gets eviolite anyway

https://tenor.com/view/wiglett-post-this-post-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-gif-26822627

Look at this free marketing just cuz it's goofy looking

[craggy lynx]

truly the most Diglett variant of all time

[hushed mantle]

Luvdisc wouldn’t survive a day in LC

[silent acorn]

Mainstream is like just... A disease, it becomes like a regression of quality

[hushed mantle]

This is peak pokemon design btw

[silent acorn]

It did better than alomomola.

[silent acorn]

Yep that's the peak, there is literally nothing to get better from it, yep. No disputes.

[craggy lynx]

"no way!!!! They added a very pointless gimmick that does literally the same thing that regional forms do? OMG GAMEFREAK IS A GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[silent acorn]

You want a bett- forget that take your regressive meowth

[silent acorn]

I dont know why It couldn't have just been paldean digglet honestly

[hushed mantle]

I think convergent forms are a great concept but it was poorly executed

[silent acorn]

Or I don't know, couldnt it just have been a new pokemon? Like what was the point?

[strong dust]

Farigiraf is the sole reason I got Violet, so I am all for giving the forgotten pokemon a new evo or something.

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-great-example-horrible-idea-bad-idea-good-example-gif-4470750

If it was such a great idea the first attempt would have worked waayyyyyyy better. Like regionals did the first time. Like alolan ninetales is peak variety

[silent acorn]

I mean, gen 4 has a lot of em, and it works beautifully

[hushed mantle]

I mean there’s nothing better than wiglett

[strong dust]

I raise you orthworm

[silent acorn]

New evos don't fix everything bad about a pokemon you say? Here eviolite fixed

[silent acorn]

Digglet face looking ass

[hushed mantle]

But yeah i think some of them (mainly wugtrio) could have used some more work and there should be more than just 3 convergent forms

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

Here you go peak modern pokemon design

[craggy lynx]

it felt like they were a last minute addition or some shit

[hushed mantle]

That’s just an amputated geodude

[silent acorn]

They felt like marketing things basicall
They get revealed before nacli? Something seemed sus

[strong dust]

That is a surprised and concerned geodude v-v

[craggy lynx]

Hell naw, they amputate geodud 😭😭😭

[neat hemlock]

So why fused horse?

[silent acorn]

I know for sure nacli was enough marketing as we all knew Minecraft anyway

Like I am all for current pop references.

Hell ceruledge feels taken out of dsrksouls

[craggy lynx]

Garganacl, for as much as i dislike it, was way more exciting than the convergent forms or the paradox forms

[silent acorn]

You wanna make medieval look- ok here you go a shouting pokemon with the power of the voice that's totally not a reference right

[silent acorn]

Its cuz it doesnt feel like a repeat, feels more like it does it's own thing

I love anhiliape I always thought primeape could use with something more

Hell hisuian did extra evos and I love the idea of specific regional evos

[craggy lynx]

I remember when Ceruledge and Armarouge was revealed, the amount of "Lol, literally megaman battle network!!!!!" type of comments was pretty much everywhere for me

[silent acorn]

Like you and your partner must go further beyond borders to find even new unknowns

[strong dust]

The concept is great. "Angry ape got so angry that it took itself off the census, but was still so mad in death that it came back to be even more angry" xD

[silent acorn]

I only see Armarouge for that, I don't see ceruledge that shows they don't know shit because I played those games

[craggy lynx]

Yeah, it was specifically for Armarouge mostly, but i've seen some for Ceruledge too

[silent acorn]

I just love it. I freaking love it, and I think it's the best example of mixing new with old.

Convergentes feels dumb, and regional like they aren't even trying, I much rather get a paldean own bull pokemon than another Tauros. Like they all works, just make a different one.

[hushed mantle]

Kinda reminds me of zero

[silent acorn]

Like boufallant is kinda lame because it's AGAIN normal quadrupedal creature

Like damn dude make it mono ground or something interesting

Feels like normal/ground. But yeah it's just stuck

[craggy lynx]

why not give Tauros and Bouffalant a cross-gen evo for Paldea instead, since y'know, it's apparently based on spain and spain has a thing for bulls, just sayinnnnnnnnnn............

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/bull-fight-raging-bull-ouch-spanish-style-bullfighting-gif-17633768

One thing is a regular bull another the fighting raging bulls of Spain, they are different.

[hushed mantle]

Counter-argument:

[strong dust]

Yeah, like, if they wanted to be morbid with it, they could have gone with a ghost/steel or even fighting/ steel bull and had thin honedges in its back like spines

[silent acorn]

Yeah amazing mind blowing. I love the coloring. Yeah arm thing is good but like... Just feel like a battle change form or something

[silent acorn]

I mean they did with corsola, not like Spain doesn't have a history specifically related to it with that

If they did a region on the souther parts of America you can bet the fans of those regions wouldn't be too kind on repeats

Like I know I wouldn't take it well with the fact it's radically different from many regions

Like they might as well just give up on regionals snd try convergents one more time.

[strong dust]

Exactly. Plus you have pokemon like drifloon that kidnaps children, cubone's whole design is wearing its mom's skull, and more. Instead they gave us rng typed tauros.

[silent acorn]

Yeah those suck.

[craggy lynx]

I'm surprised that they didn't make a south american region at this point, like there's been some pokemon that are based/or are pretty much south american stuff (Xatu, Heracross, Toucannon, etc...)

[silent acorn]

Like I want more folklore for crap sake, Spain had El Cid which was a famous swordsman, and the most we get with swords is ceruledge.

[hushed mantle]

Maybe ceruledge is el cid

[silent acorn]

Its kinda complicated. It's like stepping on an ant hill

They have a complex with localization for one.

The other is basically being accurate. As they take what's on those places seriously

[next flare]

If Whimpod and Golisopod don’t get in, is there a good fusion with Kabuto(ps) as bodies that should make them?

[hushed mantle]

I mean they can just go like “yeah next region is gonna be based on brazil”

[silent acorn]

Like Japan's gets away with waifuing quetzalcoatl a lot but not everything is fair game.

Brazil would be more likely to get a game.

Simply because... Well they are kinda apart from the rest of the region enough

Jungles, deserts, big river. It's a fun one.

By the way Brazil has giant otters which is a fun one. And sea lions, and pink dolphins and I forget whatever else

[craggy lynx]

The most surprising part of Pokemon is that they haven't made a region for Brazil, Germany, Italy, you would expect that at least one of these countries to already get a pokemon region at this point, but they just didn't

[silent acorn]

I would like to think the Italian one would just be straight historical fun.
Japan tends to have a niche for Italian themes

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-5611270
This is a fun thought for a pokemon

Rome inspired pokemon is cool a wine pokemon, a tomato pokemon

[craggy lynx]

Damn the new Italian-Tangrowth regional form-exclusive evo is looking fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[silent acorn]

I mean its certainly better than wigglet isn't it? On the concept alone

[craggy lynx]

yeah, pretty much is

[silent acorn]

Italy is just gold mine for food pokemon

Not to be a sap, but it's just an interesting place in general

If anything I would imagine a mix of italy/France would be a fun region... Oh wait kalos lol

Could mesh Italy with Germany maybe? :v

[craggy lynx]

Germany could be a fun pokemon region

[silent acorn]

I mean it has that red hot spot that would be an issue, but Germany certainly has more things. It's the land of clockworks, sausages, beers,... What else?
Oh yeah trains.

[craggy lynx]

Honestly if they made a germany pokemon region, they could mesh Germany with Switzerland

[strong dust]

I just want more fun fossil pokemon. Amaura/ Aurorus and Tyrunt/ Tyrantrum will always have my heart followed by Shieldon

[silent acorn]

Itamazerland

[silent acorn]

||Nintendo killed those presumably for political reasons||

[craggy lynx]

truly one of the most regions of all time

[hushed mantle]

Real?

[silent acorn]

I would love a region with just lots of local thingies.

[silent acorn]

||I mean China has the thing with time travel which is the origin of the whole the paradox aren't real nonsense, like if you explain as time travel is just less confusing, also note the mythicals being kinda chinese inspired||

But regardless I think it would be fun if they just went full spiritual next game like let's enter nirvana and throw a pokeball at thors hammer

[strong dust]

Honedge convergent: hammer style

Steel/ Electric type obviously lol

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/porky-porky-pig-porky-yes-no-porky-pig-yes-no-yes-no-gif-18124445

I just wanna stop messing with time lines dude..

Nothing good comes out of altering eternal messes

[craggy lynx]

I'm surprised that Aegislash hasn't gotten a regional form, that pokemon would be seriously fun to make regional forms, just make it turn into a different weapon or something (Like turning it into a Halberd, Crossbow, etc...)

[lean hedge]

I really love this idea i guess this would be pumkaboom and flapple

[silent acorn]

Nice idea but not possible as stuff past 7 not possible

I think making Aegislash into a shield is the one no one expects or maybe... A morning star

[lean hedge]

Yeah i guess. it woud be an Great triple pumkaboo charmander andd flapple fusion

[strong dust]

The only thing that came to mind for me is a gunlance version

[silent acorn]

I mean could work. There is switch gun ideas so... Would be cool... Atleast if they grow the balls to go with it.

I think an Aegislash staff variant would be crazy

[strong dust]

They won't, but it would a cool design for a special attacker build

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/setole-crystal-magic-witcher-gif-16150959

[lean hedge]

If i look at the flapple i think about him as a floating pumpkin spitting fire at me with a flamethrower

[silent acorn]

If we are talking about a new region what would be the starters?

[strong dust]

Bibbity, bobbity, boom! would likely be what happens with a staff based aegislash with a hard hitting sp. Attack move.

[lean hedge]

I mean it would be fire ghost and grass so it wouldn’t need to open to fly its closed shell would even increase its defense

[strong dust]

Well, depends on the region I suppose. If it is a specific country then that speaks for itself. If it actually goes hard custom, then great time to break the standard grass/water/fire

[lean hedge]

Oktilerie aand eagislash would be a thank

[lean hedge]

But be honest I don’t think the gen is the problem i mean fuse tauros and ursaring and you get ursaluna even if it isn’t directly ursaluna it is still ursaluna

But honestly I don’t get it ursaluna is a final evolution of ursaring but he exists in the past and not in the future why are there no traces of its existence in gen 1 because that is the future place of arceus

[strong dust]

Because gen 1 is a far cry from what we have today and they weren't planning 14 years into the future.

[lean hedge]

Oop found just a video why on youtuube afer looking it up on google

[junior gull]

Kinda a late question, but since we have the Regis joining the game, what theme do you think would be the best pick?

[sterile verge]

Theme?

[plush citrus]

Besides from the announced mons, I wonder how many pokemons are left to be added

[lime zodiac]

they'll get there. most likely we're getting somewhere in Australia next. they have hidden art in-game for a few regions prior to announcing the next location, and someone found art of ayer's rock in a pokemart or something. people on reddit/4chan also track where gamefreak goes to study locations for games

[steep glen]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/syk0T7TyrFdfExTxq0VZbA7esQsB3acbAi5rl9DQQLb02MGd5PPAqzywE_tX5lkIv3VetcVFrjhP_w=s800-nd-v1

[lime zodiac]

or lightsaber

[alpine rune]

Roman aegislash would just be spear and square shield

[remote crest]

ill be honest maybe im stupid but i dont think germany is that interesting to make a region in? Italy is p sick but i dont think germany is that great for inspiration for a region and its pokemon

To be fair i didnt think France was great either though

[soft timber]

australia should get one

(im bias)

[sterile spoke]

It's a crime that Australia hasn't got one already. 😮

[prime dust]

Pokemon Australia where everything'll kill ya

[sterile spoke]

Everything is a Poison-type, Dark-type, or both. 😂

The first part is basically Kanto, to be honest.

[raven mantle]

I feel like they fire-bombed Australia in the Pokemon world, then distributed all of its pokemon to the rest of the regions.

[agile olive]

bavaria alone probably has a bunch of stuff, the rest can be folklore. like kobolds

[tame flax]

Regional pidgeot uses a stick to set things on fire

Dark flying with an ability that gives it fire stab

[stiff bane]

Ah yes. Arson Pidgeot.

[tame flax]

There is actually an Australian bird that does this

[agile olive]

firehawk

(although they aren't hawks)

[tame flax]

If God is real, they decided And then I said, fuck this island in particular

[prime dust]

semantics

[agile olive]

https://blog.nature.org/2018/01/12/australian-firehawk-raptors-intentionally-spread-wildfires/

[stiff bane]

Is Australia just big Florida at this point?

What have we become?

[alpine rune]

talonflame real?

[prime dust]

no, florida is still worse

they have florida man

[stiff bane]

True, true.

[mystic rivet]

"Australia man" doesn't really have the same ring to it.

[sterile spoke]

Aussie Bloke does, though. 😛

[craggy lynx]

Which is why i said that if they make Germany, they'll probably gonna fuse it with Switzerland, since they both have a lot of things in common

[craggy lynx]

Yep, sounds like the average Australian wild life alright

[craggy lynx]

In terms of just from Wild life alone, countries like Brazil or Australia would be a gold mine for inspiration, so this could be very interesting

[fair jewel]

My 1st impression of Aus insects... i sprayed bug spray on some houseflies while i was at a farm stay. They licked it up like it was water...

[craggy lynx]

[mystic rivet]

The only way bug spray is working on anything in Australia is if a lit match is in front of it. And even then it's still up in the air.

[fair jewel]

Bruh, those insects would probably treat the fire like a cigarette

Can't even give them lung cancer since they have no lungs

[craggy lynx]

Yep, sounds like Australia alright

[mystic rivet]

A region based on Australia would be like 90% bug types

[fair jewel]

A region based on Australia would have the bugs be the trainers

[clever atlas]

The game would be so bugged

[fleet leaf]

Australia... Every route just has spinarak and ekans. The great barrier reef both versions of corsola, tentacruel and frillish. Forests would have komala

There would also be a mechanic so you have to go to the toilet and if you don't check for spiders or snakes first you just die

[woven maple]

This chat really has chilled out since the start of the reveal season, huh. We might be getting a new reveal within 12 hours and the main topic of conversation is Australia.

[worn loom]

Are there gonna be any more new reveals?

[woven maple]

We have at least the spriter poll reveal and the contest winner raffle left, so that's at least two more lines. Might be more bonuses besides that too.

[slim bone]

No clue if there’s a way to check what’s being voted on or not but it’d be so hype if we get greninja line or like yveltal/xerneas/zygarde

[woven maple]

Starter lines are not eligible for the spriter poll or the raffle. Maybe some get added as bonuses, but the concern is they take up nine slots for each generation.

[slim bone]

Is there somewhere I can see what’s being voted on, & vote for something myself? Idk how it works ;-;

[woven maple]

If you check the pins you can see a link to a tier list maker that has every line that was on the original community poll (including the now excluded starters). The community poll and spriter poll both closed their responses though.

[slim bone]

Is their a rough eta on when the next IF with new mons comes? Haven’t played IF long enough to see an update so I have no clue (only been in this community for a week-ish) super excited for Tyrantrum & Toxapex 😮

[woven maple]

No hard date given. Last I heard was the dev saying ideally before the start of next year

[slim bone]

Oh, before 2024 isn’t bad at all. That would be pog

I can only imagine the godlike fusions with tyrantrum, toxapex & necro. Gonna be so good

[sterile verge]

That's just Hisui

[silent acorn]

For this IF no stuff past gen 7, the one that could have stuff past 7 is a project called ||Amalgam|| but that one is months and maybe years off

[orchid vault]

the new mons should release somewhere before the end of the year, no official eta

[silent acorn]

There is been some comments that there might be another poll or bonus in the future but no idea

[orchid vault]

there's been talk of possibly adding the remaining starters (up to gen 7) at a latter date because they were so popular in the polls even if we don't get them in this batch of release

[silent acorn]

Yeah thats the most likely thing, I mean having to add all 9 of them at the same time was gonna be quite a lot of work, consider that the 9 multiplied by their 3 stages means there were actually 27 total mons, which equals to literally 25% more work to add than the community slots we had

What that means is that rather than having to code 9 pokemon like they were probably originally planning to by giving us the choice of starters what ended up happening instead is that everyone distributed their votes equally resulting in demand for 27 pokemon instead

[tame flax]

I think a champions poll would be a good idea

A poll for the people who actually play the hell out of the game

And it would encourage people who haven't reached that milestone to hit it

[silent acorn]

Oh that sounds good oh you summoned the god!

Your idea summoned the God of Magic

[tame flax]

Oh no

[silent acorn]

You know what would be good is imposing the hardest challenge and whoever does it first gets to have a pick

[spice sage]

There should be an announcement about this soon

[tame flax]

[tame flax]

Whats the hardest challenge?

Itd have to be something that hasn't been done yet

Maybe building a specific team of fusions?

Like out of the thousands of mons, figure out which six I'm thinking of

[woven maple]

If the IF pokemon showdown server was working we could've held a tournament about it

[tame flax]

I think a champion poll would be better

[woven maple]

Might be able to invite competitive pokemon content creators and build up some hype too

[tame flax]

The point if a game is to play it, this gets people to play it, and the people who really play it get a voice

[woven maple]

Champion poll?

[tame flax]

If you have 10 hofs you can get the champion role

Also I've got 15, how do I apply for champion role?

[woven maple]

I feel like that's just the community poll again. Like replaying Kanto ten times doesn't even necessarily mean you played it more than someone who's gone through the whole post game like three times, so it's kinda an arbitrary metric to target a subgroup of people (players), when players were probably already a majority of the community poll responses.

[lofty spindle]

The idea of a full-Germany region scares me...

[tame flax]

You have no idea how few people actually play the game

[lofty spindle]

I fear it could all be treated as bavaria, which would be like making a USA region where everything is Texas.

[tame flax]

At least that many times

[woven maple]

I'd be interested to see a poll among large youtubers and streamers and such that did the game though, since they bring so many new people to the game and they might be incentivized to make a new video on the new mons.

[tame flax]

[woven maple]

Okay, but like playing the game ten times isn't really a reliable metric for anything though.

[tame flax]

It means you play the game a lot

[drowsy elm]

Then game time itself would be the metric

[woven maple]

But it doesn't include post game, which is at least half the content

[tame flax]

Does it not make sense for the people who play the most to have a voice?

[woven maple]

They did in the community poll

[tame flax]

And so did spriters

[drowsy elm]

What are you guys talking about

[tame flax]

And yall got your own poll

[woven maple]

Spriters got a poll as an incentive to make sprites for the new mons though? It was pretty clearly a combined part of making sure the game was ready for the pokedex expansion.

[orchid vault]

how would you even confirm which people played the game x amount of times or hours

[tame flax]

There is literally a role for that

[woven maple]

Hell, how do you confirm hall of fames? Screenshots can be faked.

[drowsy elm]

And why does it matter?

[white meadow]

people with the complete living dex get a free pick fr

[drowsy elm]

Again what's the discussion about here why does any of this matter when it comes to game coverage or anything similar

[orchid vault]

how does the role even works? does discord even know how long you played the game for?

[woven maple]

Alternatively, what do you do if you didn't screenshot your HoF screen?

[tame flax]

What do you do if you didn't save your sprite?

[orchid vault]

I feel like it would be pretty easy to just cheat your way into saying yes I did do that with modified game saves

[woven maple]

Then you didn't contribute to the game? And therefore you wouldn't be rewarded with a vote in the spriter poll?

[tame flax]

So then why would a missing hof screenshot be different?

[woven maple]

Because the spriter poll was to incentivize people to contribute to the game.

[tame flax]

Shouldn't there also be incentive to play it more?

[woven maple]

If you miss a HoF screenshot it doesn't change whether or not you played it. If you don't submit the sprite it does change if you've contributed.

[orchid vault]

same thing for the contest winner raffle, to try to get as many sprites of the new mons into the game as possible for release

[tame flax]

But you still worked on it

[woven maple]

And... isn't the incentive of playing the game to have fun?

[orchid vault]

because making sprites is free labor and playing the game is not lol

[tame flax]

Can the same not be said of spriting?

[orchid vault]

yes people make sprites in their spare time because they like it, but otherwise you'd have to pay someone to do it. you don't pay someone to play the game

[woven maple]

I do feel like it is kinda spriters mostly arguing this point, so we might appear biased, but I do think the point of the blitz poll was to encourage people to work to make the game better, and the same incentive doesn't really need to exist to play the game itself.

[tame flax]

I would have agreed before seeing some of the conversations in this channel

[woven maple]

I mean the game doesn't get improved by people playing it.

[tame flax]

There are a lot of people who havent even played the game

[orchid vault]

so?

[tame flax]

The whole point of a game

The sole point of a game

Is to be played

[woven maple]

Maybe if you wanted people actively doing QA to get rewarded that would be different, but someone playing the game 10 times doesn't help the game improve.

[orchid vault]

this is game developpement, you don't have to have played your own game 4 times to know it or "be worthy" or deciding what goes in it lol

[tame flax]

How can that getting lost be replied with a simple "so?"

[woven maple]

Okay, this is getting a little hostile and it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. I think we should cool down and post propaganda of the mons we want.

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-pokémon-abomasnow-blizzard-pokémon-blizzard-abomasnow-uses-blizzard-gif-26231712

[orchid vault]

it's a "so what" if some people who get to vote for new pokemon or do sprites don't play the game or play it less than other people. It doesn't really change anything. (also it's too late for votes now but I really want Eelektross lol)

https://tenor.com/view/eelektross-thunderbolt-eelektross-uses-thunderbolt-pokemon-electricity-gif-17423086044143793438

[woven maple]

My one hope is one of the contest winners sees my propaganda and throws Abomasnow in the raffle.

(Or that it was already picked by the spriter poll, but voting's closed there anyways)

[orchid elk]

I dont really care what gets added they are all a w.... except bruxish

[woven maple]

Real talk I respect Bruxish for being unique enough to spark an unusual reaction out of the pokemon community (actual active dislike for the design), and I kind of understand why some people like it for that (and presumably other reasons), but I still do not want it in the game.

[orchid elk]

Regardless, spriters will somehow end up making the most incredible sprites with it anyway

[woven maple]

Speak for yourself. I will strictly make ugly abominations with it.

[clever atlas]

Great idea

[orchid vault]

hey, you could be making ugly abominations with eelektros horrible lamprey mouth too! awesome abominations that is!

[woven maple]

Picking three lines for propaganda is ballsy when we've only got two lines left for certain. Of those three, which would you leave out if you had to?

[clever atlas]

Probably clawitzer because it's a pure water type and we don't need more of those
But its still cool and has a good, signature ability.....

Damn, hard to choose, but whatever gets in, I hope it's lycanroc

[orchid elk]

Gen 7 has so many cool mons

[woven maple]

Would someone mind explaining the Lycanroc hype to someone who never played Gen 7? I don't see what makes it more appealing than the other dog lines. Is it just the branching evolution?

[slate gazelle]

it’s simple

[woven maple]

Understandable, but again, why not other dogs?

[slate gazelle]

I just like Steelix fusions that have rocks sticking out in the sprite, Lycanroc can do that as well

[clever atlas]

I've never played gen 7 either but as you can see in my bio, i love dogs
Plus we don't have a proper Wolf mon yet
Plus it's a Speedy rock type and so far we only have aerodactyl for that but aerodactyl can't learn decent rock moves by lvl up until level 73

[orchid elk]

Gen 7 is one of my favorites i highly recommend you guys play

[woven maple]

Ah, didn't consider that gameplay niche. Okay, I think I get it. Still prefer Abomasnow, but it's more understandable now.

[orchid elk]

Even if its through certain methods that certain companies dont like

[drowsy elm]

It's an early game mon so a lot of people have them on their team for the entire game, plus the event distribution

Me included

[woven maple]

What was the event distribution?

[drowsy elm]

Dusk form lycanroc. You were given a rock ruff with own tempo which would exclusively evolve into the special form

[sterile verge]

Minior > Wishiwashi > Lycanroc
Fight me

[orchid vault]

werewolf look cool is the main reason. Personally I think the day and dusk form are too similar (visually) and the pre-evo is a bit generic so it's not my first choice, but I understand why it's popular

[orchid elk]

I would probably agree although it would be very close all 3 are w's

[sterile verge]

Fair

[woven maple]

You forgot Abomasnow at the far left of that list

[orchid vault]

I was a bit meh about minior as a mon by itself, but I've seen some of the cool fusion people have been coming up with it so it grew on me a lot. I would not be disapointed if it got in

[slate gazelle]

Minior would be cool
iirc the cores don’t have any visual difference other than the colours so I wonder if they would include the separate forms

[clever atlas]

Would turn it around but okey

[sterile verge]

Nah forms being confirmed gave Minior and Wishiwashi a huge boost

Obamasnow is cool tho ngl

[drowsy elm]

Minor/meloetta/diancie/lycanroc. My wishlist

[orchid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/staraptor-bird-pokemon-pokémon-staraptor-gif-27024795

[woven maple]

https://tenor.com/view/abomasnow-pokemon-shiny-abomasnow-curry-shiny-curry-shiny-abomasnow-gif-23295968

[orchid vault]

I think I like Walrein a bit more than obamasnow, but obamasnow is pretty iconic, so it's fine too

[sterile verge]

+the Mega being available for Obama body fusion

[woven maple]

My old tierlist from before Altaria/Noivern were revealed is still relevant (when there were 8 community picks left).

[slate gazelle]

I’m hoping for
Zebstrika > Florges > Lycanroc > Toxicroak > Meloetta > Minior > Spheal > Staraptor

[sterile verge]

Why can't we have like another 10 slots

[drowsy elm]

In due time we will probably

We're gonna get more it's just gonna be way more gradual afaik

[woven maple]

I do wonder what the results would be if we reheld a community poll now, with all the confirmed mons off the list.

[orchid vault]

yes I'm assuming there will be another batch latter, we just have to not do it all at once to have some time to get enough sprites in and rebalance the encounters

[slate gazelle]

it would be cool if they released the poll results to look at somehow

[drowsy elm]

They probably will

[woven maple]

Was anyone here back when they were adding any of the current 420 pokemon? What was that like?

[slate gazelle]

I want to see how close Bruxish was to getting in

[woven maple]

I feel like I remember it being 3rd lowest in the poll results early on. Propaganda might have brought it further up though.

[sterile verge]

I feel like there would be a lot of differences in the poll winners if we were informed about form changes being added in the next major update before the poll instead of after the final mon gets revealed

Like half the people I know that gave minior/castform/meloetta/wishiwashi low scores was solely due to them not getting their forms

[orchid vault]

idk, even with form castform specifically is pretty mid in my opinion

[inland jewel]

There was no poll or anything whatsoever when he was adding mons for the 420. It was based on what Frogman wanted. No other input at all.

[fair jewel]

I doubt they'd add Castform, specifically because of it's body shape, which might create problematic sprites

[woven maple]

I assumed that, but what was the release schedule like? How many were added at a time? Were custom sprites prepated before they were added, or were spriters playing catchup?

[inland jewel]

Basically what happened was, First two gens, Any mons related to them, then whatever he wanted + the 1-2 contests where someone added something

[inland jewel]

It varied, sometimes it was only one mon after 9 updates, sometimes it was a whole batch of 20 at a time. No warnings, people just played catch up

[verbal parrot]

You know…. I really tried hard to like you man… but putting Chatot in Eh is not acceptable

[woven maple]

There are just so many birds, I'm sorry.

[verbal parrot]

But he’s the best bird

[woven maple]

Objectively untrue, but that's okay

[prime dust]

the issue with chatot is the one thing that makes him unique

but there are better options to add in before chatot

[verbal parrot]

No.

[sterile verge]

Yes.

[clever atlas]

Yes

You're outnumbered, accept it

[verbal parrot]

I shall not

[woven maple]

If we add birds, I'd rather have either Staraptor or Swellow from those not added.

[prime dust]

then you are hereby banished to the shadow realm

[sterile verge]

Tell me you like weather teams without telling me you like weather teams lol

[woven maple]

Oh I fucking love weather teams.

[clever atlas]

Welp, Worth a shot ig

[sterile verge]

Would any of ze form changers go higher on your list now that you know they get all their forms?

[woven maple]

That was known when I made the list (it was post Oricorio).

[sterile verge]

Ah. Damn

Surprised wishiwashi isn't higher then

Or lurantis

[prime dust]

eh...of all the form changers he's probably the least liked

and lurantis doesn't have a form shift

[sterile verge]

Yea but the fusions would go hard tho

[woven maple]

The concern I have with form changes mid battle is that if different artists with different visions do the sprites for different forms then it might look awkward. Which is petty and not enough to sour me on Necrozma, but was enough for Wishiwashi. Also, there are a lot of fish already.

[sterile verge]

Also I was talking about the "weather teams" bit not form changing

[prime dust]

if weather teams get added, then 3v3 becomes cakewalk

and we can start seeing the true power of shuckle

[sterile verge]

I respect your opinion even if I don't agree on wishiwashi specifically

[prime dust]

or at least more than his normal 2%

[sterile verge]

I do agree we have so many water types

Like waaaaaaay to many water types

[stoic canopy]

Shuckle was never good, I’m sorry you had to hear this from me.

[prime dust]

he is

[inland jewel]

Looking at the timeline, 4.8 was the last time they added mons

Putting the number from 382 to 420.

The update prior added 30 new pokemon

and then several updates since the previous added pokeon in V4.5

Interesting to note, we did have a poll for the pokemon being added at that time too.

[white meadow]

yeah and let me guess, santa isn't real either huh?

[prime dust]

given shuckle can deal over 500M damage with the right setup

[sterile verge]

Don't me me shuck you up

[orchid elk]

This is a pretty good list actually

[prime dust]

i don't mind getting more water types, but keep the other fish mons aside for much later

[inland jewel]

Fuse shuckle with any unaware mon and you G

[sterile verge]

You do not f#ckle with the shuckle

[inland jewel]

especially if its clefable with that cosmic power

[sterile verge]

He will shell smash in your skull

[inland jewel]

Its interesting to note that updating once a month, we had 2 months back to back which added a total of 80 pokemon

and then it took like 9-10 months after the previous batch of added mons

[prime dust]

rough translation, we might not see more mons after this batch get added in for a good while

[mystic rivet]

Double shuckle let me stall through the lv100 battle for the infinite splicer like 40+ levels early.

[inland jewel]

keep in mind, after that update it took nearly 4 years

for around 50 pokemon to be added

[robust geyser]

When was PFI created ?

[pure flower]

They managed to reformat the game, giving double the current limit of Pokemon that CAN be added

[robust geyser]

I heard some guy on youtube explain that frogman actually coded the Gizeh pyramids

[inland jewel]

not just doubled, you need at least a 1000 pokemon games releasing 100 new pokemon per generation to fill this game up again

[robust geyser]

Wait

[pure flower]

But each time a pokemon is added there's a lot of work that needs to be done on the coding side just to figure out WHERE it needs to be placed.

[robust geyser]

So that means there'll still be room after the next update ?

[pure flower]

With mythical/legendary pokemon getting extra work just to make them more than a route 1 pokemon encounter

[pure flower]

That is correct. All the starters from Gen 5 to 7 may be potentially added.

[inland jewel]

Frogman's biggest factor in holding him back from placing the other pokemon is, he adds pokemon in his FREE time, and he needs to figure out where to place them and it makes sense

[prime dust]

starry, they can add all mons from gens 3-7 in and still have room

whether that actually happens is a separate thing

[robust geyser]

Yeah now, of course i understand he won't add them all just like that but i didn't know there was stil room

[woven maple]

I think there is also a technical process for adding them in too, it's not just dragging and dropping a file or anything that simple. So free time is a constraint in multiple ways.

[pure flower]

That's true but each pokemon added is a lot of work still

Yup. There's locations of the pokemon, special sprites, coding npcs and dialogue, etc

Necrozma for example is probably going to be seeing a lot of work. A lot more than any other pokemon in the polls.

[robust geyser]

I think the Regi will take more

[pure flower]

It has its own side story questline.

With no disrespect towards the Regis, Necrozma is a pokemon that even lorewise demands a lot of effort.

The regis however can safely be put behind 5 minute riddles and such.

[prime dust]

necroz is taking more effort since he is going to be the first mon in IF to truly feature an in battle form shift

assuming they can program it right

[woven maple]

Will regis be in the labyrinth? Other places in the map (if so, where?) that serve as prereqs for getting regigigas? Let's hear some speculation.

[prime dust]

not sure if the labyrinth has enough room for em...

those I can see maybe needing new maps for; even if they don't use the og puzzles for them

can't really think of anywhere in game they could go that isn't already connected to another legend

[woven maple]

Honestly you could fit the regis in side rooms of the places where the legendary bird trio are

[pure flower]

When it comes to Necrozma and sprite switching, they should probably see about making it so once you unlock the Necrozma base fusion you unlock the ultra appearance in the pokedex

[woven maple]

Registeel in the power plant, regice in seafoam islands, regirock in Mt. Ember

[prime dust]

given how he is registered int he dex, that is likely

[prime dust]

mt ember doesn't have any side areas though that aren't outside...power plant already has 2 static encounters, so do we ditch the electabuzz encounter and replace it with registeel

seafoam is the only one where there's plenty of room to slide in regice with 0 issue'

[woven maple]

I'm imagining side rooms that lead to ladders going down (maybe that require an item you'd get post Elite 4) that lead to the puzzle room.

[prime dust]

but that still means new maps...ugh

[stoic canopy]

Maybe you can have the giga boy make them?

[prime dust]

making my job require more effort in finding buildings that can be culled

[woven maple]

The map isn't entirely full, new small areas for events can be fit in

[prime dust]

gonna start getting as much of Kanto sorted as I can while I have the time

[stoic canopy]

Seems like the easiest way to do it would be to have gigi remake them. So you get a quest to find material that can work for them,(hard rocks, nevermelt ice, cell battery, that type of stuff) after that Gigi can make the mold and then turn them on when your ready to catch them.

[empty pendant]

is it possible to cheat and put multiple buildings/side rooms on one map with dark space and different warps

or does the game already do that

[inland jewel]

The thing i see about that is if you have to load them all at once, like if you make Silph Co one big map with different waprs then it'll take a while to load especially since you're in and out constantly

[empty pendant]

that's true but for smaller spaces adding a side room shouldn't necessitate a whole other map imo

[inland jewel]

changing a city's side rooms into one big map aside

[empty pendant]

yeah see that's the immediate use case that came to mind

having every house in idk pallet town technically be one map

[prime dust]

the issue is the screen transition

unless another way is found on how maps are registered, each screen transition is a "map"

least that is what Frogman said

any time you enter/exit a builing, a route change...etc

[inland jewel]

Yeah the offered solution is instead of a map being the one room, its the corner of a bigger map that would encompass the city

like each house interior for Pallet Town is on a large map, instead of each interior being a map, for pallet town that already frees up 4-5 maps

[prime dust]

but would that be doable

[empty pendant]

you can enter a map from different places, yeah? so having one larger map that has different building interiors that you can't actually walk between without some kind of walking through walls cheat.

[inland jewel]

yeah with RPGMaker you can set cordinates for warp points

just have the door on the exterior map warp to a specific location for the interior map, and then vice versa

[empty pendant]

every door in x town that isn't something like the gym or silph co would just send you to the coordinates of the corresponding interiors map.

[inland jewel]

and the map would just be labeled X town like usual

[empty pendant]

if the problem is number of maps, making every town's building interiors different parts of one map would mean you only need one "bulding interiors" map per town.

[prime dust]

true

but I'm making my list anyway, that may still help even if the above is implimented

could nix some extra data

[hollow creek]

Reveal tomorrow?

[inland jewel]

most likely yes

[white meadow]

Finaly we will see Gogoat tomorrow

[woven maple]

Or

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-hisuian-snow-abomasnow-garchomp-gif-26024779

[prime dust]

Kanto alone, I've found 12 possible spots that could theoretically be culled

[hollow creek]

Golisopod or lycanrock

[hollow creek]

Still have hope for him

[pale sparrow]

love the funky tree guy

[limber niche]

I sense a hot take coming

[prime dust]

i don't think any that i found so far as hot takes, just buildings that have no use

ex: is the pokemon academy in viridian really needed? like most if not all the info it gives can either be easily found here, or in the wiki [despite it being out of date in a lot of spots]

if you want a better example, the move deleter house in vermillion

that straight up has 0 use since we can replace/relearn moves whenever we want with 0 recourse other than "Oh no, I have to spend money"

i still need to work through sevii islands and johto but i feel like i'll encounter less places with no use

[pale sparrow]

yea maybe froggie should replace the move deleter house with something else

[limber niche]

Lmao fair enough. Especially when considering what could be added if there was more map space that doesn't really seem necessary

[pale sparrow]

so true. we could remove the trainer school and put sinnoh there instead

[prime dust]

the trainer school in johto? that has a singular use of being able to remove OT from traded mons so you can defuse them?

yeah sure why not, might as well ditch that since we can just breed fusions long as we have ditto

but no on the sinnoh part

[calm hawk]

my boy golisopod got cucked hard

[prime dust]

the main goal is to find any map(s) where there just isn't any use, or the use is overshadowed by stuff that was added in over development time

[pure flower]

Oh wait. You can't defuse traded pokemon?

[prime dust]

yep

[pure flower]

Oh I see.

Also, I wonder. Think that one trick for changing gender, nature and what not will stick around?

[prime dust]

in the trainer school over there, you can pay 50K pokemoney to the old man teacher and he'll remove the OT of any traded mons

[pure flower]

He kinda sounds like he deals in the black market having that capability LOL

[prime dust]

he can neither confirm nor deny his involvement in the rocket cafe black market

its either that, or plop the fusion in the daycare w ditto and deal with egg rng

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/inkay-gif-23593654

maybe we can get an realease date for the update

[dry cradle]

no

because you asked im gonna tell my uncle(who works at pokemon infinite fusion) to delay it by another month

[white meadow]

So you say your 12 or so

[verbal ridge]

The move deleter allows us to use last resort movesets.
Let them be 🙁.

[prime dust]

no, i will ensure he is sent to the void to spend time in Cianwood and Olivine

[prime dust]

somewhere between the inevitable heat death of the universe...and never

[marble meadow]

ko

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-malamar-anime-laugh-gif-9694741

[strong dust]

I keep forgetting that squid exists

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-crying-inkay-james-james-team-rocket-gif-25090574

[sterile verge]

https://tenor.com/view/wishiwashi-pokemon-totem-gif-25585279

[upper talon]

Yes get wishywashy into the game

[tame flax]

https://tenor.com/view/manectric-hello-chat-hello-chat-pokemon-gif-10972750993836251606

[clever atlas]

Superior dog and superior electric type

[tame flax]

[clever atlas]

Plus we already got raikou as an electric dog

[tame flax]

Raikous not a dog

[clever atlas]

Its close enough
Closer than anything can get to lycanroc

[green juniper]

what are they then

[tame flax]

A Saber tooth, if anything

Don't tell me yall think their group is called "The legendary dogs"

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/eelektross-pokemon-pokemon-eelektross-electricity-gif-8842343728409561394

[clever atlas]

I know they aren't dogs, but dogs and cats do have similar body plans so there really isn't much manectric can do as a body that raikou can't

[tame flax]

That's like saying mightyena and mabosstiff have similar body plans

Or furfrou and purugly

Litten and growlithe

[dreamy loom]

I mean, they kinda are in the sense they're furry quadrupeds

[bitter comet]

Eldritch leech fusions would be cool

[tame flax]

By that logic, that would include mamoswine and cyndaquil

Would you say mamoswine and chien pao have similar body plans?

It's a silly idea

[clever atlas]

Here comes aizt with the mildly aggressive arguing again

[tame flax]

I was just out here putting the spotlight on a boi I like

[clever atlas]

That's fair, i just prefer my boi

[tame flax]

You did not have to be reductive towards my boi

And then towards me when I showed how silly your logic was

[clever atlas]

You're acting like noone ever does that in the internet universe

But yeah okey im sorry

[dreamy loom]

Im sorry I compared cats and dogs. It was cruel and selfish and reductive of me, and it wont happen again. Are you going to be ok?

[tame flax]

If you think that was the issue, it went over your head

[orchid vault]

there's globally a lot of cat and dog pokemons (and fish) compared to other animals even if you don't consider that every cat/dog (and fish) has a "similar body plan" or not

[tame flax]

I wouldn't call manectric similar to raikou in terms of design

Or in use, manectic is fun as heck

[dreamy loom]

I'd love to understand the issue so that I wont make the same mistake again, could you explain it to me?

[tame flax]

He was saying manectric shouldn't be in because raikou is close enough

And thats just silly

[orchid vault]

well, right now there's only a very small number of mons getting in (untill next time) so "I would preffer if something else instead because I think there's a pokemon that kind of fits a similar niche" is not a big outlandish argument

it's not a personal attack against your personal favorite little blorbo

[silk narwhal]

The difference is that raikou is cool and manectric is ass

[tame flax]

Did you see where this started?

[orchid vault]

manectric is fine. There's just probably more interesting or popular choices

(personal opinion in case you think I'm saying this is an objective fact)

[tame flax]

I have more choices I prefer, but damn, manectric needs love too

[silk narwhal]

Just because something doesn't get love, it doesn't mean it should

Maybe there's a reason it doesn't get any

[inland jewel]

I like manectric because it fits both more dog fusions + more electric types

[tame flax]

If trubbish can get love, so can manectric

[dreamy loom]

I'd quite like the Conkeldurr line haha

[tame flax]

Conkeldurr is cool

[dreamy loom]

More fighting types is good, and I feel like you could get some hilarious fusions with them

Gimmie Conkeldurr + Probopass for the biggest nose.

[coral solar]

I have three wishes.

Vanilluxe
Braviary
Crawdaunt

I want to have ice cream with my thick meaty chicken wings and lobster meal, thank you

[meager python]

Crawdaunt and honchcrow would make Cawdaunt

[slim otter]

https://tenor.com/view/lucario-hungry-pokemon-eating-ice-cream-gif-13466312

[tame flax]

we already got lucario

[proud lion]

Trubbish has fusion potential despite being divisive. Fusions that utilize the elements of garbage

I voted 3 for Trubbish for the fusion potential. He had better chances than Manaphy and Phione

[coral solar]

Seviper is confirmed to be getting in on the next Dex update, right?

Or did I imagine that?

Oh wait I definitely imagine that. No way they'd add Sev but not Zangoose

[hollow quest]

scolipede

maybe you're confusin them?

[sweet frigate]

If there is more mons added later the only ones we know are probably going to be added is the remaining starters up through gen 7 since they basically won the votes by a landslide but the devs decided they would save them for later since they didn't want most of the winning picks to be just the starter lines.

[orchid vault]

there's almost certainly going to be more mons added latter (on top of the starters) because the new system for fusion can support so many more than it used to. But it will most likelly take a good while

[sweet frigate]

Still a tiny bit bummed out Archen line didn't make it for this batch but ah well the community has spoken. My only other hope was Skitty but Archen was clearly the more viable pick.

[coral solar]

Since every single new mon adds 500+ new combinations to the code pool

[cinder oasis]

Nice

[cinder oasis]

It's still highly possible, since we have the spriter vote thing

[orchid vault]

the fusion stats and types are auto calculated now so they don't need custom code or take up memory on file by themselves now (which is why we can have more)

[coral solar]

Right, right

[sweet frigate]

I mean true but I sincerly doubt the winner of that is gonna pick Archen as much as I would like to hope XD.

[orchid vault]

they still add up a lot of art assets if you preload all the sprites (and art assets that need to be created) so it,s not realistic to have all the pokemon that have ever existed lol

[sweet frigate]

This is why I play dynamic...it's just so many sprites.

I am curious what will be selected by the sprite winners.

[orchid vault]

(it's more like 900 new possible sprites per new mon because of reverse fusions and self sooo a lot XD)

[silent acorn]

I mean one of the winners was a dhelmise stan so.

I see you lurking there, I know your secret

[sweet frigate]

I think the Rockruff line probably has a pretty high chance of being picked honestly.

[silent acorn]

Rockruff has maybe a higher on poll than raffle. Just depends

Hell even the mods or staff can't win sometimes so the resulting entries are as random as can be

[sweet frigate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silent acorn]

I will keep saying it though, Luvdisk is one hell of a way to burn that effort into nothingness

[proud lion]

As long as it’s not Bruxish

[hollow quest]

(it will be)

[mystic rivet]

What if we exclusively get bruxishXlovdisk fusion and nothing else

Bruxish should get in just to force people to sprite for it

[silent acorn]

Luvdisk>Alomomola>Bruxsish

[hollow quest]

if both of those got in this round, i would probably leave this server and never play the game again

[silent acorn]

Not so funny now is it?

Its a godawful possibility that could just be real if someone is dopey enough to try

Like I get not liking bruxsish and all, but like... Defending luvdisk is like defending someone who forces another to use a floppy disk to code a 500gb game

Like its just not there man, there is nothing about it, it's own eyes look as if it wants you to kill it

[sweet frigate]

Luvdisc has a cute shiny and that's about it.

It's really pretty useless now that heart scales don't exist in recent gens.

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-nothing-right-about-it-all-was-a-mistake-everything-is-wrong-about-it-stare-disgusted-gif-15033668

[silent acorn]

Its useless in general, like a mon that justifies it's existance as a farming machine is... Like it's just pathetic, even electrode who looks worse has more going on.

Like anyone trying to defend it or justify it just brings up it being hearshaped and like... Do people not send you enough heart emojis that you have to add one to look at your screen as you cry while everyone tells you suck for adding that?

[coral solar]

Luvdisc game out during a simpler time, when having an RPG mob's entire existence revolving around farming a single item was considered acceptable

[silent acorn]

Welp it's not anymore, we are talking 7 freaking gens, time have changed

[sweet frigate]

I still think the shiny is cute but yeah I would never use one in like a playthrough or anything really. My one in scarlet will likely sit in my PC box forever.

[coral solar]

Exactly, it's not like GF is releasing a new Luvdisc every generation. It's a relic of the past, every knows it. There's nothing to be gained from repeatedly bashing on it.

[silent acorn]

Yes there is saying to whoever picks it and ruins the raffle I told you so.

[coral solar]

Is.

Is there actually a single person anywhere voting for Luvdisc?

[silent acorn]

Like its a bad idea, just a bad bad idea, you Pick and you are moron without a heart that has to rain on the hopes of others.

They voted more for it than alomomola so that's already dissapointing

Its just a tragedy waiting to happen

[sweet frigate]

people probably voted for it for the lols as a joke mon.

[coral solar]

Okay but is this in any way relevant to which mon is most likely to get in during the next poll

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-didnt-laugh-hilarious-wow-laughing-gif-26042181

[coral solar]

I can imagine all of the spriters choosing to go above and beyond when spriting Luvdisc fusions, like they did with Unknown and Corsola

Just make all of its fusions go hard for literally no reason

[silent acorn]

Unknown atleast is just abstract and weird, corsola is a biological structure so more to mess around with it. Luvdisk is a heart shaped guppy

Yes it's a fish. Do fishy things with it, pleasure yourself with it, laugh with it, sleep with it, bath with it, EAT IT

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-colosseum-luvdisc-gamecube-charm-gif-14176036
Amazing

[coral solar]

On the one hand, I get it, it's a dumb weak one-stage throwaway mon that no one likes and everyone forgets about.

On the other hand, it's gonna get added eventually, and if they save all of the absolute worst mons for last then the final update is gonna be really damn underwhelming

[silent acorn]

I really wish this thing atleast had the stats to be decent but nope.

[silent acorn]

I give it until the second poll until the stupid joke becomes a reality

But for real do we need it?

Like is it urgent? Is it essential? Is it something someone is gonna die without?

I mean why not just leave luvdisk at the end of the line, it'll get added eventually anyway

[coral solar]

Of course not. We don't need any new mons in the game.

[silent acorn]

Anyway, for raffle no idea what they are going with, anything is better than luvdisk anyway haha, even tropius

I mean minior is neat, vanilluxe decent ice, currently using one to see what I missed on, and then there is all the other weird ones.

I think it would be neat to talk about the losers, that's what I am playing a hack of black for, to try and get a clear idea why some mons are not liked.

[zealous flint]

I assume we are gonna get a reveal tomorrow?

[sweet frigate]

Are we?

[silent acorn]

Will we?

[zealous flint]

i dont see why not

[silent acorn]

Because they have to check votes maybe

[sweet frigate]

I thought the last one was it until the sprite winner choices were determined.

[hollow quest]

they've had a while to check that

[zealous flint]

Was just about to say that

[silent acorn]

Well its a poll so nowadays they probably had it forever now

I Wonder how they do the counting by hand or just machine

certified hood classic

[inland jewel]

The poll they used has a feature that gives the amount that voted a certain way

[coral solar]

Oi, silly question, but where IS the poll anyways? I haven't bothered to vote on anything since I figured this late in the game it wouldn't matter, but I actually can't find it anywhere

[sullen elbow]

Its joever

[inland jewel]

So like if 100 people voted and for archer line it’s 47 3 votes 20 2 votes 15 1 vote and 12 0 votes they can simply do (47x3) + (20x2) etc etc

Though they have to keep in mind spriter multipliers , since I sprites 3 blitz week mons all my votes are x 3… some people out there with their X12 multiplier

[cinder oasis]

I hope Abomasnow gets in fr

[inland jewel]

#announcements in August, it’s crossed out

Like poll closed in August and Spriter’s poll closed like last month

[coral solar]

Ah

[lofty spindle]

I will eat a beefly.

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-mallow-lana-pollen-gif-538074989533683093

[stone cliff]

Same energy

[cyan hare]

first time no reveal tommorow. different times man

[proud lion]

We see this as a jumpscare

[coral solar]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-screaming-confused-confused-screaming-gif-15736028