pif-hoenn-discussion

[mystic rivet]

Idk when I'll actually play through again, but this was fun while it lasted. Reminiscent of the Smash Ultimate ballot.

[stone cliff]

But less rigged

#JusticeForWaluigi

[prime dust]

he was never getting into smash; he was only ever a secondary game character, never a main

was made specifically for wario to have a tennis partner

[weak trellis]

and most of the personality people give him tends to just be from Brawl in the Family's version anyway

[stone cliff]

cough Daisy cough

[stone cliff]

I have no idea what that is lol

[bleak leaf]

Imagine double Golisopod fusion.

Turns into a gundam

[humble remnant]

so fucking surprised the regis got in and not the gen 7 legendaries

necrozma and marshadow are legally required to get in

[cobalt nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-trigger-devil-devil-may-cry-pokemon-regi-gif-16117342

[cobalt nebula]

TBF Daisy wasn’t made specifically to be player 2. I love Waluigi

[stone cliff]

True, but the first time she was playable was the same game for similar reasons

[finite thistle]

Shields Down is also a form changing ability which flips defense to offense and doubles your speed

If its implemented the same as Aegislash where its simply raw stats

[cinder oasis]

I just realized how op shields down is

Doubling 100 speed and 140 attack sounds fun

[wintry imp]

Didn't even know that part, but that arguably makes Minior an even better choice.

Buuuut I think it's too late, I'm mainly posting this out of obligation now.

Go from a super bulky pokemon to a hyper-offensive pokemon in a single turn

[finite thistle]

Just imagine giving it Belly Drum

[cinder oasis]

Does sitrus berry get used in this game or does it stay?

[stone cliff]

I believe it gets used but restocks as long as you have more

[pseudo wigeon]

I would love Minior to be in IF but it's the same reason I didn't want Oricorio in, I don't wanna make multiple sprites at once

[stone cliff]

As far as I know, in-battle form changes still don't work, but I could be wrong.

(specifically sprite changes)

[stone cliff]

I thought it just made it unable to be affected by most status moves

[weak trellis]

yea it's similar to aegislash's stance change so there is precident for it in IF

[stone cliff]

Aaahh I see, the forms have different stats. Could be interesting then lol

Part of me wants to have it change sprites just so we could see some "unleashed" ones lol

[green yew]

I'd rather pair it with Scizor or another bug type personally. Because being a rock type is pain, and the Steel/Fire overall has much worse stats and dies to Earthquake.

[prisma willow]

Rock/Bug is odd because while it has only a few weaknesses, it only has a few resistances too.

[finite thistle]

Pair it with a tank that happens to learn Belly Drum

Unfortunately, there isn't a Pokemon that fits everything you want

Believe it or not, but Komo-o looks like the most optimal partner statwise

Poliwrath is the next best thing

Wow, this one's tricky, there really isn't a cut and dry best option in the game with all the minimum stats you want

Like, you want at least 60 speed and 80 defensive stats

[stone cliff]

What would be better actually, using belly drum to get shields down, or spend a few turns spamming def+ moves till you get to half normally?

[thorny ferry]

bruxish reveal when 🗣️ 🗣️ ⁉️ 🗣️ ⁉️

[finite thistle]

That's also an interesting point. It does get Cosmic Power

[alpine rune]

Other pokemon fans: Yes! Our favorite mon gets into the game!
Regitrio fans:

[hollow lily]

are there any shovel knight fusions or no?

[stone cliff]

Regis when a hater shows up

[stone cliff]

#fusions

[hollow lily]

oh sorry

[stone cliff]

Sall good

[slim otter]

Conversely, it would be interesting if the regis were bizarrely patient and kind to haters

[stone cliff]

Here we see the Regis rushing to peacefully avoid conflict with an individual upset at their inclusion

[weak trellis]

meanwhile I'm like "sweet, 2/3 of those will be cool for the incorrect fusions run I'm planning on"

[finite thistle]

They aren't too interesting mechanically. I wish this game had gen 4 Explosions

[glossy osprey]

fry and guzz the chicken nuggets!

[stone cliff]

Guzzlin nuggies like none other

[lean hedge]

I made this using a ai program it looks so great that i want to see if i can make it into a fusion im not sure witch pokemon combination can make this

[glossy osprey]

this just screams yveltal lycanroc

[brisk vessel]

This is not the place for AI art

But yea I can see yveltal lycanroc

[lean hedge]

They are both not in the game yet T_T

[green yew]

It also has some pretty bad coverage on top of that.

Also the infamous problem of "Rock has no good physical moves".

[lean hedge]

Yeah lycanrock is a special attacker

[prisma willow]

No one likes sore winners

[lean hedge]

He use rock tomb and bite

[livid geyser]

kid named kleavor

[bitter comet]

What do you guys think the best fusions would be for Golisopod in terms of fighting capabilities?

[lean hedge]

Nidoking

[livid geyser]

for whatever reason, i’m imagining it would pair well with the kabuto line

[glossy osprey]

groudon

[green yew]

There isn't a single phys rock move above 75BP that has above 89% accuracy. And then there's the fact there isn't a single above one 50BP that has 100% accuracy.

[bitter comet]

For all the people that answered, it is optional to explain why you think it would pair well with a certain mon

[green yew]

I have the Phys Rock chart.

[lean hedge]

Nidoking His body build is simular and h can poision anyone who directly attack him

[glossy osprey]

giant bug monster that can stomp anything

[green yew]

Ignore Diamond Storm

Signature moves don't count.

I guess Rock Wrecker exists. But refer to "good physical moves".

[bitter comet]

OK what are you guys think the best Lycanroc fusions would be in terms of combat capabilities? (Optional to explain why you think the two months would pair well together in a fusion)

[brisk vessel]

90% accuracy

[finite thistle]

Diamond Storm is in the game from the Expert Move tutor. So is Accelerock for that matter

[lean hedge]

Long range

[brisk vessel]

Diamond Storm also has 90/95% accuracy

[lean hedge]

I guess charrizard

[green yew]

There isn't a single phys rock move above 75BP that has above 89% accuracy. And then there's the fact there isn't a single above one 50BP that has 100% accuracy.

Also the infamous problem of "Rock has no good physical moves".

Ignore Diamond Storm
Signature moves don't count.

[bitter comet]

Game freak really needs to add some more rock type moves

[green yew]

I guess you're ready to fight for Rock Wrecker being a good phys rock move.

[bitter comet]

Does anyone know if they are ever going to add any non-signature moves in the future in bulk?

[cedar fjord]

I mean every gen adds a bunch of non sig moves?

[green yew]

The user launches a huge boulder at the target to attack.
The user can't move on the next turn.

[bitter comet]

They do? Haven’t noticed.

[cedar fjord]

Yes

[bitter comet]

OK what were the non-signatures added in GEN eight?

[green yew]

For rock? None that I can find.

[bitter comet]

No, just in general for moves

[lean hedge]

Yep maybe something with a floating diamond that can become a beam with all types of light like sun

[green yew]

Body Press is currently the first I can find.

[finite thistle]

Meteor Beam

[brisk vessel]

Dual Wingbeat

Grassy Glide

[cedar fjord]

Flip Turn

[green yew]

Headlong Rush

[cedar fjord]

Scale shot

[green yew]

Jaw Lock

[brisk vessel]

Breaking Swipe

[bitter comet]

What Pokémon had all these moves? I never noticed these Pokémon

[green yew]

https://pokemondb.net/move/generation/8

[brisk vessel]

Expanding Force

[cedar fjord]

Skitter Smack

[green yew]

Life Dew

[cedar fjord]

Also how the heck didn't you see some of these? A bunch became competitive staples

[brisk vessel]

Misty Explosion

[finite thistle]

Terrain Pulse

[green yew]

Headlong Rush is even on Great Tusk.

[brisk vessel]

Poltergeist

[green yew]

I've even seen it used over Earthquake a few times

[brisk vessel]

Oh yeah and Triple Axel

[cedar fjord]

Body Press is solely responsible for making a bunch of high def mons scary

[green yew]

Rising Voltage, Scorching Sands

[bitter comet]

How did I never noticed all these moves?

[green yew]

Steel Beam

[cedar fjord]

No idea, they had pretty wide distribution

[brisk vessel]

Scorching Sands is just Ground type Scald but weaker

[green yew]

^

[cedar fjord]

And most of them were TRs

[bitter comet]

I mean, I think it’s been like one to two years since I’ve played it, so maybe I just forgot?

[green yew]

Triple Axel

[cedar fjord]

But yeah every Pokemon game adds a bunch of new generic moves

[green yew]

Wave Crash
Spirit Break

[green yew]

We've had 9 generations for a good phys rock move. At this point I almost want to say Gamefreak hates rock.

[crystal cosmos]

Branch Poke

Burning Jealousy

Coaching

[cedar fjord]

I mean GF clearly thinks its part of the balance for rock to be the best attacking type and have exclusively risky attacks

Same insane reason they almost exclusively make slow and defensive ice types

[green yew]

It's not the best. Ground and Fighting have similar coverage.

Fighting actually and Ground actually has the most coverage.

[cedar fjord]

Rock is statistically the best and the only type that has more things weak to it than things that resist or are immune

In practice because Pokemon distribution isn't even it isn't actually the best

[green yew]

Fighting hits five different types, so does Ground.
They both even have really strong moves, in Earthquake and Close Combat.

[cedar fjord]

Yeah and both have a type thats immune

[green yew]

Rock is basically Ice but worse.

[crystal cosmos]

And now Headlong Rush too

[cedar fjord]

Rock has nothing immune to it

[green yew]

Ice also hits four types, simlar to Rock, but actually has a good movepool.

[green yew]

Fighting has Scrappy.

[cedar fjord]

And like I said GF gives different types different identities

[green yew]

Anyways, cheating aside, like I said, Rock is basically worse Ice.

[cedar fjord]

And the identity for Rock is clearly 'inaccurate' which is pretty shit

Much like how electric types have terrible physical moves

[green yew]

They have a similar identity in "everything hates me, I hit a lot of things", but Rock has terrible accuracy. That and Rock has a problem in the modern generation where ground, fighting, and steel are everywhere.

[cedar fjord]

I mean yeah but thats been an issue since Gen 2

GF don't care. And Ice in general is significantly worse off

[green yew]

Ice actually got a few good offensive 'mon in recent times

[crystal cosmos]

The last non-signature 100% rock type move introduced into the game was Smack Down 💀

[green yew]

That and the boost to the Ice movepool increased the viability of a few other older Ice 'mon like Weavile.
That and the fact Weavile gets Knock-Off but that's neither here nor there.

[cedar fjord]

Doesn't really matter when 90% of ice types are crippled by being slow walls

[green yew]

Well, yes, that's true. But that's better than what Rock has.

[crystal cosmos]

Weavile lost Knock Off in Gen 9 actually

[cedar fjord]

At least most rock types are weirdly fast

[green yew]

Not anymore. It's a TM again.

[crystal cosmos]

We’re so Weavback

[cedar fjord]

And it finally got a good physical ice stab

That also clear hazards. Gen 9 was good eating for Weavile

[eager quarry]

Ice spinner is the terrain, not hazards

[crystal cosmos]

And Triple Axel was better for it anyway, which it doesn’t get anymore

[green yew]

The only rock types at 110 speed or above are Ogerpone Cornerstone(which is probably the worst form in my opinion), Lycanrock/Dusk, Diancie-Mega, Aerodactyl/Mega, Archeops, Arceus(this is cheating though), and Minior(who has relatively low offensive stats and is very squishy),

[crystal cosmos]

Well the one thing rock has for it is that it gets a 50% sp.def boost in sandstorm

[green yew]

Out of these, only Arceus, Aerodactyl, and Minior hit the 120 speed tier.

[cedar fjord]

Tbf I didn't mean in general. I meant most of them were weirdly fast for their defensive stats

Compared to ice types who are usually incredibly slow

[crystal cosmos]

At least they got a buff in Snow this Gen so they get a 50% def boost while in it. A9T with Snow Warning and Aurora Veil is a nasty combo

[green yew]

They get murked by a Greninja, probably nuked by Tapu Koko, Iron Valiant with Speed+ Quark,-
Arceus Ice, Chien-Pao, Iron Bundle, Weavile for above 120 speed tier.
Frosslass for 110 speed tier, but eh, low offensive stats sadly(tfw they're also my favorite ice type).

Baxcalibur is pretty slow at 87 speed but managed to get itself banned out of singles OU if that means anything

[crystal cosmos]

That’s because it got both Alolan Ninetales with Aurora Veil support making it’s Ice type a strong defensive type allowing it to just set up in your face while taking little damage.

[green yew]

I'm pretty sure Scale Shot + Dragon Dance was what pushed it over the edge. Scale Shot was also why Koraidon got banned out of NDU.

[crystal cosmos]

I am rereading the ban and comments about it and you’re right mb

[junior blaze]

Is that literally only one spot left

[sick charm]

I need desperately surpuff

EHEM IM OBSESSED WITH THE POKEMON SWEET FANGAME AHEM AHEM

[tranquil path]

Last slot is buzzswole
Source: i made it up

[stone cliff]

You heard it here, folks. Buzzwole is slot 20

[glossy osprey]

I'd be happy with buzzwole maybe I'll get to buzz

[green yew]

What do you mean, slot 20 is still open. Buzzswole was already in the game.

[sterile verge]

Can't believe people still don't know Buzzwole's in the game especially since he's a main part of the side quest to get Missingno smh my head 😔

[cerulean zenith]

Guys I cannot WAIT for Bruxish to be added ong

[junior blaze]

Important question cause I'm in an argument with someone

Oricorio despite having four dex entries is just one slot correct

[cerulean zenith]

It's zero, it didn't count towards the 20

[junior blaze]

Oh yeah

[tranquil path]

Had it counted to the slots it wouldve been one

But ye it was a staff pick

[stone cliff]

If asked for proof refer here #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[prisma willow]

Is Rock a bad type or does it just have terrible Pokemon that have stats that run counter to how the type is coded? Like Ice which has that problem while also just being a bad type.

Because I'm not sure how you can fix rock without fixing the attacks and the Pokemon unlike Ice which can be helped by giving it resistances.

[sullen elbow]

5 weaknesses

[prisma willow]

So both?

[cinder oasis]

Yes

[coral solar]

Rock is a lot like Ice in that it’s a very good offensive type, but a shit defensive type. Unlike Ice though, most Rock types have a defensive-oriented stat spread, which is… usually counterproductive.

[cinder oasis]

So do some ice types but the difference is there’s just so many better ice types than there is rock types

Rock type has the worst pokemon out of any typing in the game

[coral solar]

That’s something I know many people would hard argue with, but I digress

[cinder oasis]

I’m talking about gameplay not design or whatever

[coral solar]

I figured, but I have no horse in that race either way

[cinder oasis]

Bug type is the only one I’d say you can debate is worse than rock

Also that rock types have terrible moves as well

[coral solar]

The bug typing itself is fine, it’s just mostly mons with bad stat totals because it was meant to be a joke type until Gen 5

[cinder oasis]

Bug type is the worst type in the game

[coral solar]

Aight then lol

[cedar fjord]

Bug type is a pretty absurdly good defensive typing and a good chunk of the best Pokemon in the game have been Bug type since Gen IV

[bitter comet]

I love the electric tarantula so much

[hushed mantle]

I like how bug is one of the worst types competitively but it’s arguably the type with the hardest designs

[cedar fjord]

i literally do not think its one of the worst types competititively. Like it has a pretty insane defensive profile with resistances to ground and fighting and couples with Steel for one of the more broken dual typings in the game. Bug/Steel is on a bunch of Pokemon and several of them have been competitive mainstays for years

[cinder oasis]

It is the worst type in the game competitively

[cedar fjord]

and that isn't even getting into like Volcarona, Ribombee or Scolipede who have all been meta warping at various points

there are more bug types in high level competition teams than there are of several other typings

[cinder oasis]

Volcarona, Ribombee and scolipede are good but there’s a lot of pokemon who are bigger menaces than them

[cedar fjord]

Volcarona has been a top tier OU threat since its inception in singles and literally got banned to ubers this gen

[cinder oasis]

Wobbufet has been in Ubers twice and is a menace

[cedar fjord]

ok, I'm not saying Wobbuffet is bad? I'm saying that calling Bug types the worst competitive type is absurd when there are a lot of bug types that have centralized the metagame over the years

like Scizor in Gen IV/V being on literally 70% of all teams

[cinder oasis]

Bug type is the worst typing in the game, doesn’t mean bug pokemon can’t be good

[cedar fjord]

its absolutely not the worst typing in the game. Worst typing is ice because its literally only negative to have ice typing

while bug typing provides many benefits including fighting and ground resistance

[cinder oasis]

Ice provides more value then bug types

[cedar fjord]

like....

Like there are several pokemon who have a dominant Tera type into bug. No one tera types to ice

[cinder oasis]

Ground, dragon, flying and grass

[cinder oasis]

Regieleki

[cedar fjord]

that's not a value to ice typing, that's a value to ice moves

I was under the impression Regileki mostly did Tera-Dark

[cinder oasis]

Huh?

[cedar fjord]

I haven't seen anyone go Tera-Ice with them

[steep glen]

Ice typing as a lot of bad match ups

[cinder oasis]

Regieleki is in Ubers because of Tera-ice

[cinder oasis]

Me when 7 typings resist bug

[cedar fjord]

Bug hitting Dark is still incredibly worthwhile considering how abundant dark types are

[cinder oasis]

Ice hitting ground and dragon types is incredibly valuable considering how abundant both these typings are

[cedar fjord]

ok, I am not disputing that. It still is a shitty type for a Pokemon to have while Bug is a good defensive typing for a lot of mons

[cinder oasis]

Bug types are bad because it is the worst offensive type in the game and is alright defensively

[cedar fjord]

its good defensively and its not the worst offensive type in the game, that's Normal

especially with the loss of Return

[cinder oasis]

Second worse out of 18 is not good

[cedar fjord]

I think Steel is also worse than Bug

[cinder oasis]

Bro what 💀

[mellow estuary]

Bug is worse than ice

[cedar fjord]

offensively, to be clear

[mellow estuary]

Steel is one of the best types tf

[cinder oasis]

Steel is better offensively, literally

It hits 3 more types neutrally and hits fairy super effectively

[mellow estuary]

It's not gen6 anymore, fairy doesn't need to resist bug game freak!!!

That was an insult to injury fr

[cedar fjord]

looking at total resists/immunities/etc in a vaccuum doesn't show the full picture. Steel is bad offensively because it so heavily overlaps with fighting offensively

also Water is just absolutely busted

[cinder oasis]

It’s mediocre offence is more than made up for with its 10 resistances

[cedar fjord]

I was only talking about offense!

[mellow estuary]

Feel like steel should be weak to electric

[cinder oasis]

It’s still better than bug offensively

[cedar fjord]

Bug has more synergistic coverage with the normal coverage moves

[cinder oasis]

It should just have less resistances not more weaknesses

[mellow estuary]

The resistances make sense at least

[cedar fjord]

not really

[mellow estuary]

Errr yeah, it's steel

[cedar fjord]

which is somehow weak to... ground and fighting

[mellow estuary]

Steel is meant to be durable

[tranquil path]

i mean they at least removed its resist to ghost and dark so its not super busted, its not a powerhouse offensively so the resists are fine

[cedar fjord]

because punching steel is definitely a thing that makes sense

[mellow estuary]

It's pokemon, everyone is superhuman

[cedar fjord]

ok then why isn't normal super-effective

[mellow estuary]

Cause normal is normal

[cinder oasis]

Because normal is normal

[mellow estuary]

Fighting is offensive use

[cinder oasis]

I think it should resist one or two less typings

[cedar fjord]

typings are completely arbitrary and you could realistically re-arrange the type chart in any way and it would make about as much sense as it does now

[mellow estuary]

Ah yes, grass can beat fire

[cinder oasis]

Fire is super effective against electric

[cedar fjord]

like Electricity in real life should work almost exactly the opposite as how it does in Pokemon

Ground should be weak, Flying immune, Grass weak

[mellow estuary]

Electric and water should be super effective against eachother but that's just buffing water

[cedar fjord]

the way its set up right now makes like negative sense if you know how electricity works. Water should resist it

[mellow estuary]

How would ground be weak to electricity

[cedar fjord]

Water is a terrible conductor

why wouldn't ground be weak to electricity? One of the most famous parts of electricity is that it is able to literally blow holes in the ground and create glass from sand

[cinder oasis]

That’s heat

[mellow estuary]

...

[cedar fjord]

... from the lightning

[mellow estuary]

Blows holes in the ground???

[cedar fjord]

also you need to be grounded to complete a circuit

[mellow estuary]

Pretty sure the whole thing with lighting is the heat and the actual shock

[hollow quest]

i mean yeah it can do things to the ground but electricity generally dissipates into the ground

[cedar fjord]

and lets not pretend heat is somehow exclusive to a single element considering we have no fewer than 5 based around it

or are we also collapsing the type chart

When electricity dissapates into the ground it usually does some serious burn damage

[hollow quest]

not in most cases

[cedar fjord]

like that's the whole reason its dangerous

[cinder oasis]

If I throw ground at the electric cloud it dissapears

[hollow quest]

i mean yeah, if you get a giant lightning bolt to hit, but otherwise it just quietly dissipates

[cedar fjord]

well that would be true if an 'electric cloud' could exist

i mean Electricity in Pokemon is exclusively shooting giant lightning bolts

[hollow quest]

just keep in mind pokemon is a not a game with especially great logic

[cedar fjord]

right that's my point

most of the type chart is arbitrary, we've just interalized it

[cinder oasis]

That’s why ice should be super effective against fire

[hollow quest]

however, most the type combos do have some valid reasoning behind them, it just doesn't always line up well

[cedar fjord]

not really

like why are Rock and Ground separate? Why can rocks hit flying but not ground?

[hollow quest]

because the ground doesn't fly, the rocks do

[cedar fjord]

why the heck is Dragon only super-effective against dragon

why is ghost good against ghost

why can you poison a ghost or a rock but something made of metal is a step too far

[cinder oasis]

Lockstin and gnoggin explains this pretty well

[cedar fjord]

why does normal exist

[hollow quest]

like when's the last time you threw like dirt and had it actually do much damage

[cedar fjord]

why the hell is fighting good against steel or ice?

why can you bite a ghost but not punch it

[hollow quest]

scrappy

[cinder oasis]

If you punch hard enough it breaks

[cedar fjord]

ok then why does anything resist fighting

[stone cliff]

Because biting is evil and ghosts are weak to evil duh

[hollow quest]

because you can't fight a ghost normally

[cedar fjord]

I can squish bugs a lot easier than punch ice apart but Machamp sure as heck can't

[cinder oasis]

Can you punch something in the air?

[cedar fjord]

.... yes

[cinder oasis]

So you want me to fly up to them and punch them in the face?

[cedar fjord]

if they resist it you have to have hit them

[stone cliff]

Yeah I can't even meme about that, bug should be weak to fighting

[cedar fjord]

otherwise they'd be immune

[white meadow]

Because Dragons are super powerfull and often can only be killed by another dragon

[cinder oasis]

Honestly it should, no idea why bug resists it

[cedar fjord]

or ... cold? Or fairies?

[white meadow]

Because ghosts can touch each other

[hollow quest]

well usually they aren't flying that high in the games (or at all), so they'd be harder to hit but not impossible

[cedar fjord]

point is a lot of those are completely arbitrary

[cinder oasis]

Can you punch a bird mid-air? Like you as a person

[hollow quest]

i think more of them make sense than don't

[cedar fjord]

I mean if I'm fighting it and it comes to attack me? yes

[white meadow]

Actually many type machups make a lot of sense

[hollow quest]

you're just cherry picking the more questionable ones

[cedar fjord]

I mean I listed like a dozen

[eager jungle]

or a fairy

[cedar fjord]

and its not like it was exhaustive

[cinder oasis]

Steel type should be super effective against flying types because I can shoot a shotgun at one

[hollow quest]

game freak don't like guns

[cedar fjord]

I mean that makes as much sense as the current explanations

[white meadow]

Yeah cuz often for a hero to win against a dragon you need magic from for example a fairy

[cinder oasis]

Ice should be weak to electric since lightning bolts produce heat

[cedar fjord]

why does being evil make you immune to psychic powers

[eager jungle]

fighting is based on martial arts, martial arts that target weakpoints, due to the difference in anatomy, those technics aren't really effective against bugs

[cinder oasis]

Ghost should be super effective because normal is scared of Ghosts

[hollow quest]

yeah but they can rarely actually hurt them

[cedar fjord]

actually why is steel resistant to psychic powers considering we based Gen 1 Pokemon on Uri Geller, famous for bending steel with his mind

[eager jungle]

fear of darkness

[cinder oasis]

Water should be weak to bugs because bugs drink water

[hollow quest]

everything drinks water

[cinder oasis]

Yeah true, so water should be weak to steel because steel drinks water

[eager jungle]

not everything, metal doesn't for exemple

[hollow quest]

i mean animals obviously...

[cedar fjord]

a pretty large minority of Pokemon aren't based on animals

[eager jungle]

not all

[hollow quest]

the vast majority

[eager jungle]

"Kangaroo rats, according to scientists, are the only animals that can exist without water. According to the findings, they do not have any water in their bodies for any of their digestive functions. Kangaroo rats can survive in deserts without ever drinking."

[cinder oasis]

Psychic type should be strong against grass type because you can mindbend the grass types

[hollow quest]

i'm talkin about real animals here, because we're trying to relate this stuff to realism

[cinder oasis]

“are the only animals”

[cedar fjord]

Pokemon is a world where you can shrink god into a ball you put in your pocket before sending it to be digitized into your PC

[hollow quest]

there's like one animal and a few microbes that maybe don't need it, no need to correct over that

[cedar fjord]

realism went out the door a long, long time ago

[eager jungle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_rat

[cinder oasis]

Poke balls should be weak to my fist because I can break them

[eager jungle]

[hollow quest]

are you done proving your point

[cinder oasis]

Did you know rats are real animals?

[eager jungle]

you said "real animal" so i proved it was real

[hollow quest]

and i was referring to this, not you

[cinder oasis]

My bad og

[hollow quest]

obviously if your sword begins drinkin your bottled water it's probably an issue

[cedar fjord]

Yeah I was just saying we have a lot of non-animal Pokemon?

[cinder oasis]

That’s unbelievable

[cedar fjord]

I did say a large minority - meaning like a significant portion though far fewer than the majority

[hollow quest]

anyway

[cinder oasis]

Thanks for letting me know what large minority means 🙏

[hollow quest]

yes we do have some abritrary matchups but the most seem reasonable enough for a game about magical animals fighting each other

[eager jungle]

most of the dragons, poké-objects, celestial things, plants (plant != animal), etc ... so yeah, it could have been a lot if water type fish weren't this present in the game

[cinder oasis]

Sword ghost versus ice monkey!

[bitter comet]

The discussion about the type matchups gives me déjà vu like we’ve had this conversation before

[hollow quest]

probably have

[bitter comet]

Yeah, I remember and I was there
Not talking, but lurking

[cinder oasis]

Cosmic dragon versus muddy fish

[cedar fjord]

I just think we think the type chart makes sense because we've marinated in it for so long. Like ask someone who knows nothing about Pokemon and I doubt they get even half the interactions right

[cinder oasis]

That’s not what deja vu means

As in the expression, not the literal meaning

[bitter comet]

Ah I haven’t looked it up in a while sorry for being dumb lol

[stone cliff]

I've been playing Pokemon since Gen 1 and I'm still wrong a lot

[cinder oasis]

No problem

[cinder oasis]

Marinating in pickes?

[cedar fjord]

I always get caught up on some of the stuff that changed between gens. Like Steel resisting Dark and Ghost

still instinctively think that

[stone cliff]

For instance: why the fuck is poison weak to psychic and ground of all types?

[cedar fjord]

I am assured it definitely makes sense

[cinder oasis]

I can extract the poison out of my brain fr!

[stone cliff]

Lord knows my brain is weak to poison, I got some plants and some liquid that can attest to that

[white meadow]

Mind of steel
Some stuff comes from some sayings etc

[cedar fjord]

right but aren't most of the sayings about how mind beats steel?

not like how your puny mind can't beat metal

[cinder oasis]

You mean brawn vs brains?

[stone cliff]

Mind over matter, so psychic is strong against anything made of atoms

[white meadow]

You can burry poisonous stuff to neutralize it
And psychic is cuz we can cure poisonings when we learn how

[sullen elbow]

Squashing isn't a fighting move if anything bug would be weak to normal

[bitter comet]

It is strong against reality itself, my brain can literally warp it by just thinking/j

[stone cliff]

I mean, I can bury almost anything and neutralize it

[cinder oasis]

True

[white meadow]

True but bugs for example can dig out

[cinder oasis]

Pour gasoline on top and light it on fire

[white meadow]

The problem is a type represents a lot of things at the same time

[bitter comet]

If I bury some plants, it will die

[sullen elbow]

Bug irl just have low bst

[stone cliff]

We need a gasoline pokemon that's poison/fire

[cedar fjord]

still not sure why living plants are somehow more vulnerable to fire than anything else except bugs and uh ice

[cinder oasis]

They’re nerfed irl fr, they should stay that way

[cedar fjord]

considering its significantly harder to light most living plants on fire than animals

[stone cliff]

Tbh how is grass not weak to steel

[white meadow]

Cuz we use plants to keep us warm for example campfire

[cinder oasis]

Me when I use my lighter and burn it in 0.2 seconds

[cedar fjord]

those are dead plants

[sullen elbow]

Common videogame logic

[white meadow]

Y should it

[cedar fjord]

lighting living ones on fire is uh, really not the same

[cinder oasis]

If plants weren’t weak to fire how are there forest fires

[cedar fjord]

i mean plants are exactly as weak to fire as most animals

[cinder oasis]

A single animal can’t raze an entire forest

[cedar fjord]

which is to say ; very. Also its usually easier to light animals on fire

[white meadow]

Its easyer to make wood burn a long time than a bear

[cinder oasis]

You can do that with rocks and ice as well

[fair jewel]

They probably didn't want to give it ANOTHER weakness. Fire, Flying, Bug and Ice. Considering it doesn't have the offensive coverage of Ice types, giving it a 5th weakness is a death sentence

[cedar fjord]

you can absolutely light a bear on fire easier than you can a live tree

[bitter comet]

What do you guys think about the fact that some Pokémon are human souls?

[cinder oasis]

Nuh uh

[cedar fjord]

because a bear is covered in easily flamable fur and trees aren't

[stone cliff]

I'd say grass should swap flying weakness for steel

[cinder oasis]

W

[white meadow]

Good point but that sounds more as cut should be steel type and super effectiv against grass

[cedar fjord]

Yeah, Yamask is explicitly dead people

[white meadow]

Ever saw what a tornado does to a forest

[cedar fjord]

most flying moves are like pecks

[cinder oasis]

That means humans can evolve into cofagrigus

[stone cliff]

It already has 5 weaknesses

[cedar fjord]

Poison should also be at least 2 types

[white meadow]

Y

[cinder oasis]

Grass type is teetering on the edge of B tier

[cedar fjord]

since they shove 'highly corrosive acid' and 'toxins' together

[fair jewel]

I forgot poison. 6 weaknesses then

[white meadow]

Misread sorry

[white meadow]

Unsure if we should split it
Both has something to do with poison

[cedar fjord]

it really doesn't make sense for Steel to be immune to parts of that

or for ghost or rock to be vulnerable to the other half

like why can you poison a ghost

are you injecting like dead poison into their uh ghost veins

[bitter comet]

But what about a radioactive type then?/hj

[cedar fjord]

also if you can't poison steel still not sure why you can poison rock or ground

[fair jewel]

Which is ironic becuz Acid can do some real damage to metals, and it's a poison type attack

[white meadow]

Both actually make sense
Ground can be poisond same as rocks
With radiation

[white meadow]

But neutral reactions are weird cuz what else should you do than make it neutral

Immune, Not super effectiv and super effectiv have reasons for why the rest is more like it wont make sense otherwise

[simple gulch]

based on chinese 5 elements chart, ground should beat water

[shadow sonnet]

ghost resists poison i think

[acoustic locust]

flying should beat water because birds eat fish

[shadow sonnet]

i feel like ghost types aren't really ghosts, as stupid as that sound

since they can reproduce with non ghosts i feel like they are still alive, they just have ghost-like properties

so they resists poison but aren't immune because they are just a little dead, not fully (?

[white meadow]

Can you fly underwater?
Is there wind underwater?

[simple gulch]

there are

[golden acorn]

Lol pokemon typings don't make complete sense.

And some decisions were only made for game balance reasons

[urban flax]

Still cant believe ice isnt good against water

As if freezing pokemon whose bodies are like 99% water wouldnt be effective

[brisk vessel]

Freeze Dry:

[white meadow]

Put a cube of ice in water and wait some minutes

[simple gulch]

drop a drop of water on an ice berg its all about size and difference

[sterile spoke]

No, types are meant to be broad enough to fit multiple things together. 🙂

[white meadow]

Same amount of water one ice one liquid wich dissapears?

[sterile spoke]

Otherwise Gen I would have stuck with the Bird type, and we'd have likely got a Wind type later on. 😅

[merry shale]

Have we got the starter mons from Hoenn Sinnoh Unova Kalos Alola Galar and Paldea added/planned?

[brisk vessel]

Not Galar and Paldea but the rest will be added in the future

[white meadow]

Hoenn and sinnoh is already in
And Galar Paldea will never be

Sometimes i wonder in this chat does anyone play the Game

[clever atlas]

I do

[white meadow]

Good
I just wonder cuz how often I see people want Mons that are in

[brisk vessel]

Hey guys it would be cool if we added charizard !!1!!

[drifting mason]

Honestly I'd kinda like if Ground and Rock were just the "Earth" type, but sadly their conflicting interractions with some typings like Flying make that harder

[clever atlas]

I mean some mons are harder to come across than others

So when ppl never find a mon, they assume it's not in the game

[urban flax]

put the average water pokemon in the middle of a blizzard, what should realistically happen?

Vapopsicleon

[clever atlas]

Put the average ice type Pokémon in the middle of a flood

[urban flax]

Better example would be rain because weather I’m using actual weather effects in the game. I think the ice type would fare better in rain than the water type in the blizzard

[sterile spoke]

If types were ever retconned, this would be the one that i think would make the most sense. 🙂

You could probably also mesh Psychic and Fairy into a Magic type and put Ice into Water. 😄

[prime dust]

are we inadvertently saying Too Many Types is legit

maybe not all of the types in there...but a nice chunk of them

[sterile spoke]

No, the exact opposite. 😛

[clever atlas]

I know, i was just playing a little Devils advocate

[fossil trail]

ÜN ÜN ÜN

[alpine rune]

BZZZTTTZZBZZZTT

[junior notch]

plurplecliffe my beloved

[white meadow]

Your the first that said something nice about him I ever saw on this server

[grizzled cradle]

snuck pachrisu in there like we wouldn’t notice

[tame flax]

Some people just want an art project and don't even touch the game

[pale flame]

W

[prisma willow]

Ice should resist electricity and water.

[pale flame]

I agree with the second one

[prisma willow]

I insist on the former since ice does not conduct electricity because it has no free charges ions.

[pale flame]

🪨 doesn't conduct electricity either but here we are

Unless it's a quirky 🪨.

[meager python]

Really just making ice resist SOMETHING would make it way better

[prisma willow]

This was stemming from a discussion of how to buff ice so it isn't the worst defensive type in the game

[pale flame]

Lol true

[meager python]

Literally the worst defensive type

[pale flame]

Might I introduce you to, rock?

What does rock even resist? Normal and bug and flying?

[prisma willow]

Ice only resists itself.

[meager python]

No rock atleast has resists like normal

Ice ONLY resists ice…

[pale flame]

Personally I think ice should resist

Water
Grass
Flying

At minimum

[meager python]

I was so excited for hisuin avalugg until I learned it was ice rock

[pale flame]

And had paper thin defenses

[meager python]

It has a better stat block to :(

[meager python]

Ice is the best offensive type, this would make it BUSTED

[prisma willow]

Hm, it would be nice to add another type that resists electric due to it being a fairly common attacking type.

And barely anything resists water.

[pale flame]

Not really, it's typically incredibly frail with mediocre stats (except attack), usually I'll just run something with ice beam.

[meager python]

Or something else super effective to electric.

[meager python]

Weavile was a staple for a while with ice shard triple axel

Lapras

[pale flame]

Sure, it was. It also has a quad weakness and typically won't survive a hit!

[prisma willow]

That's a credit to the pokemon and not the type. Weavile is very fast and Lapras is part water.

[dense inlet]

that goes for any glass cannon striker, they still exist tho

[meager python]

Avalugg isnt that bad now with teratype because it can start get resist these mediocre special moves like hp fire

So adding more resists to ice would be broken

[prisma willow]

Ah yes, in order for ice types to be good they need to not be ice types.

[pale flame]

Yes, however a lot of ice type Pokémon are frail glass cannons with... Frankly underwhelming stats imo.

[meager python]

Exactly. Body press is what makes avalugg usable not any stab ice moves

[pale flame]

Sturdy is what makes avalugg usable

[dense inlet]

i think glastrier trick room was a thing in gen8 for a while

[pale flame]

So was Regigigas.

[meager python]

In doubles avalugg isnt usable due to always having a special sweeper on the field

But in singles its usable because it is the biggest defensive wall in the game

[prisma willow]

Like... What. That's proving my point. Ice typing is such a detriment that one needs a generation gimmick in order to remove the typing from ice pokemon to make them viable.

[meager python]

Ice needs buffed, it need weaknesses removed I think then it meeds more resistances

[prisma willow]

That's just saying ice types would be good if they weren't ice types.

[pale flame]

It should have either fire, rock, or Steel removed as a weakness.

[meager python]

Its similar with some rock types

[pale flame]

The issue with rock types is that they often have a secondary ground type.

[meager python]

Getting rid of its steel and rock would be good

[pale flame]

Or some other type that gives it a crippling quad weakness

[lament tundra]

Why is ice weak to rock anyway? If ice gets in the cracks of a rock, it breaks it apart.

[meager python]

Because monkey brain, rock break ice

[lament tundra]

Rock also break skin

[pale flame]

Rock resists normal

[meager python]

Rock can solve lots of issue if you hit it against something enough

[lament tundra]

But normal is not weak to rock

[pale flame]

Because that would make it far worse.

[meager python]

And a fairy can kill a dragon

[pale flame]

Normal is a balanced type. It has one weakness, one immunity, and hits nothing super effectively.

[prisma willow]

The whole talk about buffing ice by giving it resistances because despite it being a great offensive type, it has absolutely no resistances so it becomes a type people have to work around instead of work with. Coupled with how Gamefreak keeps making slow tanks for a type that again, has no resistances and 4 weaknesses, which is contradictory thinking.

[pale flame]

And they nerfed hail

Aurora Veil is your best option as an ice type, but it pretty much guarantees you a bad entry matchup

[meager python]

The only reason why alolan ninetails is good

[prisma willow]

This was also a part of a greater discussion of how to buff weak types.

[peak bobcat]

Wait so are absol sableye and alteria in the game?

[sterile spoke]

They'll be getting added in the next big update. 🙂

[white meadow]

Absol yes the rest next update

[prisma willow]

Why is move accuracy a thing outside of 1-hit KO moves when evasion boosting moves exist? Aren't highly damaging moves already balanced by having low PP?

[weak trellis]

not balanced enough by low pp since that only super matters in competitive imo (or sketch/Z-moves and ditto)

[sullen elbow]

#pif-hoenn-discussion not turn into #pokemon-type-matchup-discussion challenge impossible

[prisma willow]

I was wondering if it should be split up into its own channel or whatever the sub channels are called.

[fallen loom]

spam

[marble meadow]

regice shaggy frozen meme

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-sheriff-frozen-gif-27375053

cant wait to see what the next mon is gonna be

[buoyant herald]

Golisopod

What do u think about it?

https://tenor.com/view/gogogolisopod-golisopod-goatedgolisopod-gif-25159759

[royal drum]

Golisopod really said 'nope' and sacrificed scizzor.

[hollow quest]

e m e r g e n c y e x i t

[sullen elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-golisopod-emergency-exit-goodbye-chat-goodbye-gif-25042117

[inland jewel]

Everyone on guzma's team just really hate him

[radiant briar]

How many slots are left open rn?

[hollow quest]

i don't usually use golisopod because it is pretty slow (although it has really good priority moves) but i can see its ability being really useful or really annoying

[dry nest]

golisopod mentioned

[inland jewel]

1 slot for community poll, since the regis are legendaries, its safe to assume the last one is going to be legendary/mythical as well

1 line for the spriters poll, this poll has already ended

1 line for Winner's raffle,

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

[inland jewel]

cause Goli is normally a Fimp bot

[buoyant herald]

He is water type, scysor have 4x weakness

[radiant briar]

More than I thought

[dry nest]

retreat is not cowardly

[royal drum]

I do think it is

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-golisopodthegoat-gif-25172614

[native nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/isopod-yippee-yippee-gif-yippie-hooray-gif-9353791096114419408

[hollow quest]

i mean it is kinda cowardly but that's part of its evo line/biology

[sterile verge]

Wimpod goes from cowardly soldier to cowardly commander

[hollow quest]

hey at least it still looks badass

[dry nest]

https://tenor.com/view/isopod-spin-gif-23204650

guys is this real

[buoyant herald]

I think that it would be a good dunsparce fusion

[buoyant herald]

Dunsparce body to make this

And golisopod body to make a 6 armed dunsparce

[sterile verge]

Golisopod/dunsparce is just a plate of seafood

[radiant briar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-spheal-charm-heart-gif-14841774

We need more ice types bro

[sterile verge]

We already getting 4 fully evolved ones

And ones a legendary

[late harbor]

Thank you good sir

[buoyant herald]

Don’t talk like that about my boi

[radiant briar]

Still gonna be the rarest type in the game

[sterile verge]

Golisopod's a fun pokemon until you have to fight one

[radiant briar]

I think someone said theres 20ish rn

[sterile verge]

Isn't fairy rarer by species?

[late harbor]

Sphealotad my beloved

[sterile verge]

It'd rather get slurpuff than walrein

[buoyant herald]

Makes sense, I love snorlax, but I rage when I try to get one and it just spams yaun and keeps recovering HP with leftovers

[inland jewel]

With the addition of 4 ice types, fairy is now the rarest in the game

[late harbor]

With spheal we get this

[sterile verge]

Lotad's cuter than spheal and I will die on that hill

[late harbor]

But united they conquer

[harsh blade]

Ngl I’d love to see the lake trio Azelf, Mesprit, and Uxie added into the game

[late harbor]

I have the same set of 12 spheal images i cycle through

[sharp nebula]

yeah i wouldnt

[harsh blade]

May I ask as to why?

[inland jewel]

i'll take Azelf and Uxie, Mespirit can just be deleted

[prime dust]

maybe farther now the road, but right now...leave em out

[late harbor]

One would be neat, but all three is redundant

[harsh blade]

What did Mesprit do to you to deserve that 😭😭😭

[sharp nebula]

3 identical pokemon? no thanks

[late harbor]

Roamer

[harsh blade]

Yk what fair lmao

[inland jewel]

Roamer

[harsh blade]

Oh god

[inland jewel]

and since we already have 3 roaming legends in this game, i for real think we don't need more

[sharp nebula]

even just one of them isnt great, they dont really do anything we dont already have

[sterile verge]

Imagine being a triple fusion and still being monotype

[harsh blade]

I understand the hate now 😭

Now wait is Tyrunt and Tyrantrum in the game or? I haven’t gotten them yet if so

[sterile verge]

Announced but not added

[sharp nebula]

theyll be added in the next big update

[harsh blade]

Bet bet

I love me my dragon types

I wonder what kind of ungodly fusions Eternatus could make if he was ever added

Oh god now I’m picturing Mr Mime mixed with him 😭

[sterile verge]

Eternatus/Zacian/Zamazenta triple fusion

[prime dust]

well sadly...he won't

nothing past Gen 7 will ever be in IF, Frogman has confirmed it

[sterile verge]

Poison/Dragon/Fighting/Steel type that gets a atk and def boost on switch in

[sterile verge]

Sadly this means no Tinkaton.
Luckily however this means my metagross/Farfetch'd line didn't get alt'd

[harsh blade]

Wait…NOOO MY BOY SNOM WONT GET HIS SPOTLIGHT 😭😭😭

[prime dust]

nope, its a mix of an engine limitation and the fact the version of Pokemon Essentials they are using severely lacks a lot of data/sprites for most stuff past Gen 7

from the way I understand it, they'd have to remake the game from scratch [in a new engine, with the updated Pokemon Essentials that has said data/sprites]

and dev has no plans for that to my knowledge

[harsh blade]

I mean understandable but still my boy snom ;3;

[sterile verge]

gentlemen

[harsh blade]

So wait Gen 7 is…Sun and Moon right? Or am I dumb?

[prime dust]

yes

[harsh blade]

I approve

[sterile verge]

So no sword & shield or later

[prime dust]

Gen 7 is the Let's Go series, Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon

[prime dust]

nope, Sw/Sh, Legends Arceus, BD/SP, S/V, etc

[harsh blade]

Ok good so I’m still getting my boy Rowlet someday

[buoyant herald]

Imagine be a triple fusion and none of your types have resistance to fight, getting a 8x weakness

[sterile verge]

Doesn't matter if you proc quick claw

[prime dust]

yeah, the Gen 5, 6 and 7 starters were in the poll originally, but got dq'ed due to them having a massive vote following [Dev didn't want the community vote to be nothing but 2 Generations of Starters plus 2 other mons; and wanted more variety]

they will likely get added in later because clearly, the fans want them

[buoyant herald]

Machop lv 10 with caratê chop vs Regitera lv 100

[sterile verge]

They will eventually be added however*

[sterile verge]

Ah beat me to it

[prime dust]

lol

[harsh blade]

Yes, I need my chonky bird boy as well as the other starters, and the Black/White starters too, unless those are already in

[prime dust]

nope, Gens 1, 2, 3 and 4 are the only starters in the game atm

[harsh blade]

Oh god the Braixen fusions whenever that option becomes available….

[prime dust]

nothing will get too bad, spriters gotta follow the server rules as well

[harsh blade]

Latios and Gardevior made an anime girl, I’m sure Braixen and Gardevior will make something, but yes I know people gotta follow dem rules

[buoyant herald]

What was the n° 1?

[prime dust]

I think it was Sableye, but since that was an extra pick, they had to go down the list

[grizzled cradle]

as if they’re not just voting it for greninja lol

[sterile verge]

For real

[harsh blade]

OH GOD THE TONGUE NINJA

[prime dust]

The first community voted mons that got revealed were Tyrunt and Tyrantrum

[harsh blade]

I’m IMMEDIATELY fusing Tyrantrum with Tyranitar when I get the chance

[prime dust]

lol

[sterile verge]

Can't wait for minior to get revealed

[hollow quest]

oh i'm sure

[harsh blade]

I can’t wait for the Sun and Moon legendaries tbh, just imagine what kind of fusions Lunala would make

[sterile verge]

I uh, got some bad news for ya....

[harsh blade]

Oh no 😭

[orchid vault]

maybe for the raffle pick lol

or at a latter future update next year (who knows)

[hollow quest]

i don't think it's if with the UBs and alola legendaries, it's when

[marble meadow]

nah infinit fusion 2

[sterile verge]

It was 4 slots, thats 18% of the slots

[prime dust]

dev has no plans for a sequel

[sterile verge]

And 2 of em was just space magikarp

[harsh blade]

I need terms I can understand I’m slow ;3;

[sterile verge]

We only had 20 slots for the poll
Nobody's going to spend 18% of the slots on 2 space magikarps and 2 legendaries

Especially when Gen 6's legendaries were also in the poll

[harsh blade]

What about future polls? I’m meaning like future stuff not the here and now lol

[prime dust]

points to the fact that we wanted to spend pretty much all of the poll on starters

your argument kind of becomes invalid with that in mind

[sterile verge]

They'll moat likely still look at this poll to judge who they should add in the future, and with such a small # of votes....

It might take a while if not at all

[harsh blade]

I just hope they eventually get added cause Lunala/Tyranitar sounds dope

I will wait AS LONG AS I HAVE TO

Also I think Buzzwole would have some funny fusions if he ever got added, I just imagine an extremely swole Snorlax when they mix together

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gourgeist-pokemon-trick-or-treat-gourgeist-uses-trick-or-treat-gif-6206730786748665488

[sterile verge]

Who do u guys think is the most popular eviolited min in IF

Me thinks duskull

[orchid vault]

I would have picked Lunala + solgaleo (maybe ditch cosmog) over the regis but that's just me. Yveltal + Xerneas is also a neat pair of legendaries (or a few ultrabeasts)
Either way I'm sure we're going to get a few extra add ins latter (The starters that got a lot of vote and maybe a vew popular legendaries) latter in the futur since the game can accomodate them now, but it makes sense to wait after the big release we are having now so the sprites can catch up

[prime dust]

look it can't get much more swole than Snorlax/Machoke alt b

"Hmmm...Boi, you will hunt deer."

[harsh blade]

Now hear me out here…Zygarde too :3

[finite thistle]

I'd love to see Cosmoem with actual moves

[marble meadow]

pumpkin fusion

[finite thistle]

Would be great with Aegislash

[prime dust]

kind of can't ditch part of the evo line

[harsh blade]

YES THIS, THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY NORMAL TYPE ID HAVE ON MY TEAM

Wait is this in the game already?

[sterile verge]

Ye

[harsh blade]

I know what I’m doing when I get home

[white meadow]

Your loss

[sterile verge]

Alt sprite so u needa use pokedex to change it to that one

[harsh blade]

Noted

Bro I have so many sprite ideas but I don’t know jack diddly squat about making them 😭

[white meadow]

You can make concept art or give ideas and a spriter makes them

[harsh blade]

Oh fr?

[sterile verge]

Yea

[white meadow]

Jep

[sterile verge]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/703412470038921216

[harsh blade]

I shall keep this in mind

[sterile verge]

Link to requests channel

[buoyant herald]

With triple fusions and all the pokes of the oficial Dex

[buoyant herald]

Imagine the number of sprites

[harsh blade]

Too many 😭

[white meadow]

I think its more than 3

[marble meadow]

gourgeist would be a nice addition

[buoyant herald]

I did it

[buoyant herald]

Yep

[buoyant herald]

[hollow quest]

false

[flint wagon]

oh das fabulous!!

[marble meadow]

u know with liligant we could get hisui alts

[flint wagon]

it's the God of Snooze

[flint wagon]

would be a neat idea, yeah!

apparently there isn't much hisuian forms originally but imagine if a lot of Pokémon had that regional variant

[silent acorn]

I find it funny it's not pillows or the Bana berries

[sterile verge]

People make fun of people saying game freak didn't design them thinking like that. Meanwhile hisuian Lilligant and Tsareena just exist

And salazzle

[silent acorn]

That's just dirty minds being dirty

https://tenor.com/view/beyonce-bow-down-bitches-bitches-bow-queen-bee-gif-9132821

[sterile verge]

Salazzle is literally furry bait
They give it a protruded chest
it's a lizard

[silent acorn]

what did you expect out of a bipedal lizard? they don't have spines to keep them erect

If anything intelleon is more illogical

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-happy-كيوت-dance-gif-15181045

[buoyant herald]

Someone told me that the machop line are reptis

[marble meadow]

i forgot this one is a thing and would surprised if this gets in

[sterile verge]

No?

[silent acorn]

I dont know they are many freaking things without consistency

[meager python]

There are many game freaking things

[sterile verge]

I have question

Do male Salandit get eviolite boosted?

[meager python]

Salandit

[meager python]

“It affects male Combee and Salandit (despite them not being able to evolve while females can). It still affects Pokémon that can evolve in the current game, even if it is not currently possible to meet the requirements for their evolution.”

[silent acorn]

Yes

[meager python]

A reminder that a lot of questions can be answered with a google search

[marble meadow]

and dipplin is a mystery till next dlc

[silent acorn]

Salazzle is neat, I hate perverts who crap on perfectly fine mons

[weak trellis]

plus with salazzle you get bandit lizard as a bonus

[silent acorn]

Lewd mammals no reptiles you creeps

[meager python]

Corrosive is a cool ability

[silent acorn]

It is actually, and there is a good bit of steel types now.

[meager python]

How about neither

[sterile verge]

Autocorrect lol

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-people-who-do-that-i-dislike-people-who-do-that-i-hate-it-when-people-do-that-people-who-do-that-are-the-worst-i-dont-like-it-when-people-do-that-gif-15686350

[meager python]

lol

[dense inlet]

it's impressive how #pif-hoenn-discussion is always walking on rule2 edge's

[silent acorn]

Anyway, like. If people are perfectly fine looking at Machamps square ass and bulge I don't know what to tell you

[sterile verge]

Aromatic people when I lewd Mac & cheese

[meager python]

If we dont toe the line on rule 2 who else is?

?tag rule2

[opal trail]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

2. No NSFW. I feel like this shouldn't really need to be said, since this is a server dedicated to Pokémon, but here we are. This means no pornography or gore or any of the like. No NSFW names/avatars, no NSFW conversations, no suggestive emotes, no sexualizing Pokémon or other people, and absolutely no mentions of anything horny whatsoever, even as a joke. This also means no edgy jokes that could appear to be a mask for something serious, such as self harm or suicide jokes. The NSFW rule also applies to sprites, all sprites that have breasts/gore or anything otherwise NSFW will not be allowed in the Gallery. (Small amount of cartoon blood is fine, ask a Mod/Sprite Manager in DMs if unsure)

[marsh yew]

We just got the Regis, which already had plenty of references in the game. The lake trio at least have different stats going on

[meager python]

For those who dont know

[sterile verge]

Good 'ol rule 2, ruining miltank fusions everywhere

[meager python]

Good

[dense inlet]

pretty sure it's the other way around

[sterile verge]

Bad

[silent acorn]

Reminder Salazzle is a lizard hence it can't have breast's as much as you like to see a bare chest as breasts

[meager python]

To many people need the bonk

[marble meadow]

i Wonder if one of the new mons could make an yakuza ref

[silent acorn]

Can't ruin what was already bottom barrel

[sterile verge]

Salazzle was given a chest despite being a lizard. That's game freak's fault, not ours.

[dense inlet]

yakuza as the organization or the game?

[meager python]

Prolly the game

[marble meadow]

Both sound good

but I mean the game

[silent acorn]

tell what area here has nipplos?

[meager python]

Sharpedo and garchomp is just shark squared

[cerulean zenith]

I wish one of these fusions would make a reference to the Japanese mafia

[dense inlet]

can y'all drop the salazzle pointless discussion?

[sterile verge]

I said a chest, not nipples
By that logic Nidoqueen doesnt have a chest

[meager python]

This is almost crossing the rule 2 line

[dense inlet]

imo it has crossed a long while ago

[silent acorn]

Oh yes a bare chest with nothing but patterns on it

[meager python]

But your mentioning it on a sexual way whether your against or with it

[silent acorn]

Are you sure it's not just the fact it's bipedal that's causing some projection or something?

[white meadow]

What is going on this time?

[sterile verge]

Yea this shouldn't really be a continuing conversation 😕

[meager python]

A pointless discussion thats toeing the line on rule 2

[white meadow]

And what has Salazzle to do with it?

[silent acorn]

Just gonna say voting for it doesn't mean one is a pervert really hate that subtle thing

[white meadow]

Look at her go

[silent acorn]

Well that salazzle breaks it like Miltank does

[weak trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/common-basilisk-lizard-run-on-water-omw-jesus-christ-lizard-gif-11130556

[white meadow]

Im maybe a pervert but not for Salazzle

[sterile verge]

That's what I've been saying
Literally my argument

[silent acorn]

Perfectly natural so dumb

[silent acorn]

You just been saying it breaks rule 2 and that its a chest, of course it's a chest all animals have it

[meager python]

Basilisk

[white meadow]

Hope everyone understands that this is a joke

[weak trellis]

more of a heliolisk thing but still reminded me of it

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-swoobat-gif-27580265

[meager python]

Swoobat is underrated.

[sand mica]

What a cool looking Pokémon. Also cute!

[white meadow]

Had it on my white 2 team

[meager python]

Simple is also super fun

[dense inlet]

nah, Swoobat is exactly where it should be

[silent acorn]

What a pointless thing to say

[meager python]

Why do you have such outrageous takes

[sterile verge]

Me says to stop hating the other side that cant be named, other guy says this conversation is breaking rule 2

[dense inlet]

I mean, peole feel alright about it, it's not amazing, but it's not bad

[white meadow]

I like Salazzle its great fusion potential and interesting for fusions

[meager python]

OK THE SALAZZLE CONVERSATION IS OVER WE NO LONGER SPEAK OF IT

[silent acorn]

Gonna stop it because Cipher put an end to the BS with the gif

[sterile verge]

Minior is cool, hope he gets in over lycanroc

[meager python]

Same minior gang rise up

[white meadow]

Goat

[silent acorn]

Breaks rule 2 by being naked canonically

[meager python]

You just wont stop

[sterile verge]

Tbf any mammal pokemon breaks rule 2 for not having clothes besides Jynx, Machoke, & Machamp

[silent acorn]

I can't stop joking and pointing facts

[white meadow]

Well he protects his opinion since probably someone said its r34

[sterile verge]

Lighten up a little, mentioning rule 2 doesn't break it

[meager python]

You are obsessed with rule 2

[dense inlet]

[marble meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokepark2wonders-beyond-pokepark-pokemon-cinccino-cinccino-pokemon-gif-18470139

[sterile verge]

Weird we can have a 30 minute convo about a specific random mon but not a 10 min one about a rule on the server

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-salandit-walking-gif-13428082

[glossy jewel]

y'all are just weird

[white meadow]

Thanks 💖🎩

[sterile verge]

I like salandit and want a male regional Evo

[marble meadow]

it’s amusing I’m eating popcorn

[meager python]

We know

[dense inlet]

hide the monkey before elemonkeys become real

[white meadow]

I have something you would like

[meager python]

This is literally a server dedicated about talking about pokemon…

[sterile verge]

And?

The rule pertains to a pokemon we were discussing because it could be added

Literally the point of this channel

[white meadow]

||Komonium Poison/Ground evolves from a male pure poison regional Salandit||

[sterile verge]

Yooo that's fire! Or I guess not because it lost its fire typing

Yooo thats sick!

[white meadow]

Thanks
It was my dream to have exactly that as a Pokemon
That it is a regional Salandit evo in our game was just a random thing added that still fits

[acoustic locust]

salandit is great. little rascal

honestly only lizard pokemon that feels like an actual lizard haha

[white meadow]

Please by god let Pokemon see him and add him

[marble meadow]

speaking of mons cacturne should have a ralsei fusion

[prime dust]

Pokemon [and GameFreak by proxy] doesn't listen to the fanbase

otherwise we'd have an MMO by now

[sterile verge]

Not entirely true. Spinarak is literally a fans oc

[dense inlet]

is this based off a komodo dragon?

[sterile verge]

Also next time I do a run ariados is def gunna be a mon I use

[white meadow]

yes
also hazmat suits and stuff like that

[dense inlet]

nice

[sterile verge]

Wishigigas says: "Wishiwashi should be added to IF!"

He also says to put him out of his misery

[warm skiff]

this image sent me into fight or flight

[wild trail]

Agreed this had me like, "What the F*** is that?!"

[scenic agate]

This is what adhd looks like

[prime dust]

No that is what the brain looks like on Regi

[dry nest]

although i hate it this is what wishiwashi fusions realisically would look like

[mellow estuary]

Give the OG 3 Regis a 3-way fusion

[white meadow]

I would love Lycanroc if all 3 forms where added, or at least the two original ones

[sterile verge]

i mean this guy was make purposely sh*t so it'd probably look good if Wishiwashi actually gets in

[prime dust]

they would be if it gets chosen

[prime dust]

it likely will, there's a few triple fusion sprites floating around in the gallery already

[white meadow]

let's hope it is

or at least, I hope it is added

[lean hedge]

Lycanrock and yvental should also be added i really want a sprite maker to make this a pokemon

Or maybe noivern

[weak trellis]

could make due with houndoom as a reference alt

[lean hedge]

Houndoom and noivern maybe

The ears are kina pointy like noiverns ears and the wings has the same type

Is evental already in the poll or lycanrock?

[wild trail]

I feel that Noivern and Mightyena could make this.

[lean hedge]

Yes sounds great

[royal drum]

You should include a smaller religious in tge middle

[dense inlet]

a smaller what

[orchid vault]

is regigigas christian now?

[white meadow]

Why

[orchid vault]

small religious in the regi wishiwashy swarm lol

[white meadow]

regigious

[sullen elbow]

New fairy or psychic type regi

[cedar fjord]

electric and dragon were real weird types for the new regis

[sterile verge]

Makes sense tho

Dragon = medieval ages
Electric = modern day

Can wait for the future regi if that gets made

[white meadow]

And what type would he be

[sterile verge]

psychic probabaly

though it might be more accurate to make it poison fire type

[bitter rivet]

dunno if it's been mentioned but wouldn't we be getting a triple fusion from the golems in IF ?

[sterile verge]

global warning isnt being very cash money

[sterile verge]

confirmed yep

[bitter rivet]

nice

[sterile verge]

just need the sprites for em
which we have 2/3 already

[bitter rivet]

also, I think I heard we got some beta tests versions available, is that right ? or is it limited to testing and not public ?

[white meadow]

Yeah it has all new mons up to garbodor

It is a playtest version

#announcements message

[bitter rivet]

great, thanks !

[white meadow]

Np

[turbid cipher]

When is the final mon gonna be announced?

[violet pawn]

on saturday probably

[turbid cipher]

Real, who’s everyone’s top picks?

[white meadow]

I can tell you my 3 votea from the spriter vote

[sharp nebula]

🔼

[turbid cipher]

I want lycanroc so bad

[lofty spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ribombee-pokemon-fairy-cute-gif-22197024

[bitter rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-beatdown-fnf-gif-21817818

[sullen elbow]

Diancie and minior mainly

[white meadow]

I like goats

[sullen elbow]

Why is it doing that?

[high haven]

This is a really good line up of mons, I would be happy with any of them being added not just Seviper & Mienshao

[prime dust]

well seviper comes with zangoose, so that means no zangoose if no seviper

and we need more fighting types since they are still somewhat under represented

[bitter rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

same energy

[sullen elbow]

Why is it doing the fnf thing? 💀

[honest tartan]

i think thats just a seizure

[slim otter]

Lycanroc, Scraggy, Gastrodon, and Ludicolo
(At first I thought you were talking to me specifically, and I was really confused :P)

[turbid cipher]

Haha gotchu, great picks I love scrafty

[bitter rivet]

If I understood correctly, for now we have 2 picks left : the last one from the initial poll, and the spriter's pick, correct ? (with the latter NOT being a legendary)

[honest tartan]

inital poll, trev sprite, blitz sprite
so 3

[bitter rivet]

neat

[inland jewel]

1 from community, 1 from blitz polls, 1 from Winners raffle, trev sprite is to determine which artist gets entered into the winner's raffle

[prime dust]

^

[loud sorrel]

any idea when theyll reveal the choices
i assume its in a few days

[prime dust]

they keep reveals to saturdays, so this saturday we are guaranteed the reveal of the last community mon

maybe also the spriter poll mon/line

we won't see the winner's raffle reveal until sometime next month

and that's only because they will probably have contests for the last community slot and spriter poll mon/line

[loud sorrel]

i cant wait for the whole update to be released
feels like just yesterday that new mons were announced lol

[prime dust]

gonna have to wait, there's no set date...i know they want to try and get it out before the end of the year...but who knows

[loud sorrel]

its likely that itll be out by the end of the month
its late october
the raffle reveal is gonna come next month
and the update release should come after that
so i think its likely itll finish up by the end of the year

[gilded verge]

Croagunk, but I know I’m in a minority

90% of my 3s were gen 5 with the exception of Croagunk

[quiet meteor]

Is there a list of the Pokémon that were voted on?

I do see the popularity poll but that’s not it right?

[ebon glacier]

check pins

[sharp nebula]

do you mean the announced mons or all the possible choices?

[quiet meteor]

Possible Choices mb

[sharp nebula]

theyre in the tier list maker in the pins

[quiet meteor]

Ooh so that was the official, thought it was the fan vote

[sharp nebula]

the official vote was a google form in announcements, but that ended over a month ago

[quiet meteor]

Gotcha, how many more mons remain to be shown?

[sharp nebula]

1 more from the original 20, then 2 more bonus lines

[stone cliff]

The last one of the 20 is probably a legendary, and of those probably Necrozma lol

[quiet meteor]

Word, thanks

Necrozma would be pretty goated

[sharp nebula]

of course there might be some more bonuses that havent been announced, but dont count on it

[stone cliff]

Frogman does love giving himself more work

[quiet meteor]

Real

Feature creep is comical and based

[stone cliff]

Also worth noting: no Legendary/Mythical pokemon were on the spriter poll

[quiet meteor]

Yeah I saw that, cause he doesn’t want it to be a rush job if it’s legendary/mythical

[placid pelican]

https://68.media.tumblr.com/4607839c1b6a2ca86ffc3af7877082d7/tumblr_n4752haMQO1rpn9eno1_500.gif

[glass dust]

still hoping for yveltal

[steep glen]

I really want death itself to

[oak ravine]

So, is the spriter poll finished? There are what, twelve pokémon left?

[high haven]

Mine's Seviper. It's my favorite since childhood

[sterile verge]

spriter poll finished on the 20th.
Rn there is 1 slot for the normal poll, one evo line for the spriter poll, and one evo line for the raffle

[rapid quartz]

So has the update to allow the game to process all the new sprites been implemented yet?

[unkempt stone]

It's surprising how Registeel fusions look more alien than Deoxys fusions

[loud sorrel]

i think itll be implemented when the whole update releases