pif-hoenn-discussion

[silent acorn]

Welcome to the internet.

[craggy lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/miner-pokemon-flex-cooperate-coop-gif-25127552

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fulanoide-memes-gif-25260016

Remember that time misty found out if the vaporeon theory was true? Fun times

[rocky condor]

charmander after seeing that thing:

(he saw the face of god himself)

[rocky condor]

MonRyS, what the fuck is this?

this can't be real

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mewtwo-death-ball-super-dark-shadow-nuke-pokemon-gif-14385076

[craggy lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-schizo-skinwalker-gif-23690953

[onyx bluff]

Hasn't ash been like 10 for the past 25 years? Is he secretly a vampire? O:

[robust geyser]

Monday amiright

[rocky condor]

Will stand by my opinion, pokken tournament and pokken tournament DX went so fucking hard.

[bold atlas]

correct assumption

[silent acorn]

It sure is bud. Found it on poke memes

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/tentacruel-shake-hand-misty-pokemon-gif-16403746

[hollow quest]

imagine if that was a real scene

[craggy lynx]

Yeah, just a normal monday morning, nothing out of the ordinary

[white meadow]

i wish the main games looked as good as they did

[robust geyser]

He's actually in coma, but the serie is not a dream. Oak replace him with a new ten year old clone every season so Ash's mother doesn't send him to jail.

[honest tartan]

@terse fable what seems to be the problem?

[terse fable]

Don't mind me

[rocky condor]

I still think that the rights to mainline pokemon games should be passed to bandai namco. They got the workforce, they got the talent and effort, and they got quality down. Gamefreak doesn't seem to work well with more ambitious games. Which to be fair, is because of the shitty release time and how short it is, but it also comes down to them not having a lot of employees at gamefreak. I think bandai works perfectly for the mainline series.

imagine a mainline pokemon game made by bandai namco. That'd be fucking amazing

[bold atlas]

even Bamco might not do much better with that schedule tbh

the franchise is a guaranteed money maker to the point where the quality of the game is sacrificed to get it out on a deadline every year

[rocky condor]

fair enough. But idk if i'm being naive or what, but i feel tpc might be more flexible to change things up a bit with bandai. They're a big company that makes really high quality games. Just look at new pokemon snap and pokken tournament.

[silent acorn]

Every year one pokemon dies because you could not complain

[rocky condor]

Those games are fucking gorgeous.

[bold atlas]

Indeed.

[craggy lynx]

Wasn't Bandai namco the same company that made Elden ring?

[bold atlas]

...and i think New! Snap is using the same models as the modern mainline games, so those aren't even the issue

[rocky condor]

Yep

[bold atlas]

same company that makes alot of games

[rocky condor]

exactly. They put so much personality in them that i haven't seen in a long time, if not ever.

[chrome heath]

How the hell do I beat Sabrina???

[silent acorn]

Bandai namco is a brand name, the studios are another thing

[silent acorn]

You can't.
Unless you go to #playthrough-talk

[ebon glacier]

use dark/ghost/bug type

[chrome heath]

I was in the wrong forum lol

[rocky condor]

you should have just said you can't

"you can't beat her. She's a bitch. Give up."

[silent acorn]

Honestly I probably should have given that they said this was a forum XD

[lunar inlet]

Scrafty plus the Russian orb, it would be the ice-sinister type

[silent acorn]

Slavafty
Do the squad

[chrome heath]

I have a gengar scizor and nothing

[bold atlas]

Slavty

...actually that sounds like a slur 💀

[silent acorn]

Try saying goodra/Muk and then we can talk about dumb slurs

[rocky condor]

to be fair, some mainline pokemon names sound like slurs too.

"fuckin grookey's"

[white meadow]

Btw I am wondering
is there a announcement today?

[white meadow]

the sarcophagus shaped ghost:

[silent acorn]

No Cipher there isn't one.

[ebon glacier]

I don't think there will

[lunar inlet]

Could someone help me with an idea for a pokemon?

[silent acorn]

We are all here just to mess around.

Sure zarcoooo

[white meadow]

okay

[dense inlet]

it would be fun to have an announcement telling there will be no announcement today

[white meadow]

Okay let me say it diffrent
Did Kiwi or Frogman say that there isnt one today

[lunar inlet]

I want to make a version of some pokemon about the SS but I don't know which one to choose

[silent acorn]

Yep. But it's mordrid that has the screenshot

[bold atlas]

"I'VE COME TO MAKE AN ANOUNCEMENT!

Thankyou for listening to this announcement."

[rocky condor]

Change the u to an a and the latter half almost sounds like a slur 😭

[white meadow]

the SS?

[silent acorn]

How about Bisharp/Ursaring?

[lunar inlet]

Nazis xd

[bold atlas]

i mean... there's a reason you couldn't trade it originally

[rocky condor]

wait what? THAT WAS A THING??

[white meadow]

Why would you want to make a Pokemon based on the past of my country

[bold atlas]

genuinely. it's default name got blocked by the filters.

[craggy lynx]

Skuntank too i think

[dense inlet]

wtf

[rocky condor]

wait what's up with skuntank? I genuinely don't see what's wrong there

[silent acorn]

Oh those ones... Well then in that case...
Mismagius/Mashamp for the uniform?

[white meadow]

s ank

[craggy lynx]

skuntank

[silent acorn]

Is a skunk that's a tank. Not much going on there.

[rocky condor]

Bro what is it with pokemon and their intrinsic slur ability 😭

[silent acorn]

Wait cofra is a slur?

[white meadow]

you wanna create a fusion or a extra Pokemon

[bold atlas]

when you have to come up with names for hundreds of fictional creatures, most of which being portmantaeus, it's likely something's gonna be untintended

[silent acorn]

Why? I don't get that one.

[rocky condor]

we got chatot
skuntank
and now cofagrigus

[bold atlas]

now, if we want examples of intentionally doing that, there's Ben 10-

[white meadow]

co**[redacted]**rigus

[rocky condor]

oh god i forgot about that.

He literally just calls his aliens their slurs accidentally whenever he uses them

[white meadow]

Isn’t it Cofa-gri-gus?

talking about the part that gets the name filtered

[bold atlas]

well, not necesarrily that they all are, but there was at least one canon occasion where a person of a species registered in the omnitrix got offended by his (moreso the Plumbers') nickname for them

[flat herald]

In the anime I’d like to believe yes, because I don’t think Pokemon is actively gonna tiptoe a slur

[bold atlas]

that is the official pronunciation, yes, but text is text,
and a poorly-planned word filter is a poorly-planned word filter

[thorny crypt]

Sarcophagus.. just change the ph. That is where the portmanteau comes from.

[silent acorn]

Oh it's because of that disorder ugh man...

People don't need to know that one.

[craggy lynx]

what disorder

[bold atlas]

??? disorder?

[thorny crypt]

Turrets?

[silent acorn]

Yeah I know now why that's a bad word... Its more obvious than it seems

[thorny crypt]

Probably spelt it wrong

[bold atlas]

oh wait i misinterpreted what you were saying nvm

[dense inlet]

turrets

[lunar inlet]

Okay, but can I do it first by drawing it and have someone else do it in sprite?

[south basin]

Tyrantrums counterpart made it yet petilil line didn't since I doubt it will be a community pick. Ironic considering petilil like musharna is already in the game in celedon, just not obtainable. Not to mention cottenee has been in the game for a long while. Feels bad man

Guess I can only hope it or ysareena line would make it if any other new pokemon are added in the future.

[thorny crypt]

Tourettes

[rocky condor]

damn i hate it when my disability turns me into a fucking aircraft turret

[silent acorn]

There is something calle copro I will not elaborate more.

[dense inlet]

bro why the fuck do you want a nazi sprite, drop this shit

[bold atlas]

??? oh you were on about the pokemon name?

[silent acorn]

Yes it's a disorder I remembered it now. It's close to that word

[white meadow]

Probably
Im unsure if it is allowed to
Y do you need a ss mon

[thorny crypt]

Ohh. Like necrophilia?

[bold atlas]

Cofagrigus doesn't contain the name of any disorder, afaik

[dense inlet]

what the fuck is this chat

[white meadow]

discussing new Pokémon

[craggy lynx]

Discord moment

[thorny crypt]

Dont even know why i stopped lurking.

[white meadow]

not even 2 days of waiting and we are insane

[dense inlet]

how discussing new pokemon led to schutzstaffel and necrophilia

[lunar inlet]

Give me a design of a fusion that already exists and I will improve it, if you want

[white meadow]

one guy wanted to make a sprite about the first thing for, idk reasons

[lunar inlet]

And everyone forget about the ss xd

[white meadow]

improve?

[craggy lynx]

What the fuck is a SS

[white meadow]

the SS Anne?

[dense inlet]

i wish

[bold atlas]

based on the last few message i'm hesitant to ask what you consider "improved"

[olive dagger]

Minccino appears on the map too

[thorny crypt]

Nazi secret …. Police?

[craggy lynx]

ah, world war 2 stuff, it sure was something

[toxic dock]

my hope for lilgant is still strong

[white meadow]

we need another pikachu clone

[robust geyser]

How about minimalistic pikachu

[white meadow]

nah, we need another pika clone

[hollow quest]

nah

[white meadow]

yes we do, we don’t have enough

[prisma willow]

I'm beginning to think the Blitz voting was Liligant's only chance to get in...

[wanton coral]

Can we please get crawdaunt

[fast ruin]

wha-
what episode was this

[white meadow]

it was the episode with porygon, which ended up getting banned, so we never saw it

[fast ruin]

for the better, after seeing this 💀

[white meadow]

we just need Sinnoh pikachu clone

[clever atlas]

Objectively true

Scrolling up was a mistake.

[native nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-fat-gif-25565525

[ruby breach]

Is today the last day of the blitz

[glossy osprey]

tomorrow is the last day of the blitz

[ruby breach]

Thank you!

[lofty spindle]

Wait, last day of the Blitz?

[violet pawn]

that guy just straight up lied the last day was yesterday

[lofty spindle]

For a moment I thought this was about submitting sprites for the bonus vote and was about to say we can add to that until the 20th, man I got spooked.

[violet pawn]

lol

[steep glen]

Exploud in a nutshell

[tidal ridge]

I do kinda wish they’d reveal one of the community picks today and then the next week for the rest, but y’know

I guess they’re going to drop it consecutively with the end of the spriter’s choice award vote?

[native nebula]

Did they show us the voted ones from least voted for first or highest voted for first?

[lofty spindle]

I doubt it was a specific order.

[white meadow]

I just hope my Sinnoh pikachu clone gets in

[zenith relic]

Spriter choice?

[tidal ridge]

Apparently Noivern was the most voted pokemon, so I don’t think it was in order

[steep glen]

After sabale I'm guessing

Sabeye

[opaque flare]

the most popular ones are usually the last announced ones ... thats normal ... the rest 4 slots are legendaries or mythicals i guess

[hushed mantle]

there won't be new announcement today right?

[dim sparrow]

It was actually just fake

[robust geyser]

there's still the trevenant contest

it'll be the pick of one member

[ruby breach]

Oh.. so no more blitz reveals huh. Unfortunate but thanks for letting me know

[bold atlas]

what do they expect, people to read the announcment?

[ebon glacier]

wait, blitz contest ends at the 20th?

time was extended?

nah I'm delusional

[silent acorn]

Think about it. Two more weeks until next mon vote reveal?

[violet current]

im v satisfied with the blitz

sucks the only one i didnt think was awesome got revealed on my bday tho

[silent acorn]

Which?

[violet current]

cacturne

[bronze eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/amaura-dinosaur-ice-dinosaur-turn-around-cute-gif-27404793

cute dino

[white meadow]

Her Boyfriend lol

[silent acorn]

I mean cacturne, not as bad as getting luvdisc on your birthday.. Or did you want the luv?

[gusty shuttle]

I thank you mr. Frostyke, because it's thanks to you that I didn't lose the best discussion of this channel's history

[violet current]

just would've preferred other grass mons, lurantis specifically

[pallid phoenix]

This guy gets it

[gusty shuttle]

Chat ded
But maybe I know how to revive it

Pidove is the best pokémon ever made. The simplicity in its design makes it unique and give it a sense of identity that not only make him stand out, but actively mocks the rest of the pokédex by being the only realistic animal among what can be considered super-creatures.

It is considerable the representation of us into the pokémon world, being the only creature we can recognize and relate to, and the underdog with seemingly no potential but who can not only keep up with the actual monster but eventually beat them as long as its trainer (us, another simple creature and underdog) can wield it.

This is some of the reasoning that makes me strongly believe Pidove is S+ tier and is better than Necrozma, Rockruff, Spheal, Ultra-creatures of any kind and more

Y'all wrong to think otherwise lmao

If you don't read this whole you're certified gen α

ok chat still ded

[pine dragon]

Do we have armaldo

Wish the fossil was armaldo instead if we dont

[gusty shuttle]

someone

Armaldo didn't get in yet no

[pine dragon]

Pidove?? Thats like the worst bird design other than noctowl

Not for me though because im heavily biased for gen 5

[glacial vigil]

wym? Armaldo is in the game

[pine dragon]

Wish unfezant wasnt so bland because i like it :(

[gusty shuttle]

🤔 I remember Armaldo being in the poll, and I don't remember it being announced

[glacial vigil]

You might be thinking about the gen 5 fossils

[gusty shuttle]

Apparently I am

[glacial vigil]

Got added with gen 4 fossils

This living dex is a wip still. I have a lot to evolve

[gusty shuttle]

@pine dragon you got your Armaldo

[hushed mantle]

Do living dex with all the existing fusions

[glacial vigil]

Nah, my living dex will just be self fusions

But first I need to complete the normal dex since this is a new game + file

[gusty shuttle]

Oh so you get 1 for each phase of the line so you have all the phases, and you put them in order in the PC... that sounds like a lot of grinding

[glacial vigil]

Not that much

[pine dragon]

oh kewl

Im just happy sableye got in hes my favorite mon

[glacial vigil]

I originally did it to have a better view of what I was missing in my pokedex

[gusty shuttle]

But I got no Pidove

[pine dragon]

Speaking of which i need to do more sableye hall of fames ive been slacking on if lately

[glacial vigil]

But I messed up and accidently randomized so I need to fill the dex again

[drowsy drift]

if we get tropius in somehow could get a sauropod triple fusion?

[proper bay]

How’d you get the sprites working in the play test for Sable

[pine dragon]

idk they just did lol

[marsh lily]

That'd be cool.

[drowsy drift]

now what am I going to do until saturday

[alpine rune]

Do something productive ig

[narrow geode]

Never mind im happy now

[glossy goblet]

so how long do we have to wait for the rest of the reveals again

[glacial vigil]

2 weeks

[prime dust]

what do you mean

now you can finally play the game

Have Kenny add Eyes of the Beast to his hotbar
Have Stan check his Fury talents to boost his Shouts

[honest tartan]

man i cant wait to punch it and it instantly dies

[rough hound]

0

[honest tartan]

rock smash gonna do 8x dmg to it

[rough hound]

apparently my bird decided to type and send a message on my keyboard, so enjoy ig

[alpine rune]

mfw i fuse them with shedinja

[tame nebula]

I'm sad that Gen 9 Pokémon will never be in IF because if they could

I would will Tinkaton into existence just to make a specific fusion (I'll just say, hammer)

[honest tartan]

mfw mold breaker

[sand mica]

So far I've gotten some of my favorites in finally, such as Aurorus and Oricorio.

Though I wish Skuntank and Grumpig were in.

[tame nebula]

LILLIGANT

[sand mica]

What about Orthworm?

[tame nebula]

I agree

[hasty lotus]

dude i want archeops without defeatist so bad

[unique flame]

how many spots left?

[eager quarry]

4

[unique flame]

im here to say im super happy theres NO LEGENDARY PICKED

[sand mica]

Skuntank and Grumpig would be amazing to see...

[prime dust]

yet

[unique flame]

its probably 0- 2 legendaries

[prime dust]

we still have the 4 community slots
the spriter raffle and the spriter poll

[unique flame]

comunity is being really based with the picks

[sand mica]

Staff is the one with the great picks.

[unique flame]

im not a lover of all of them but none that i hate

[alpine rune]

Im pretty sure people pick legendaries

Like how could they not, most players here are under 16

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/power-yveltal-anime-gif-17731566

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-gif-9674416

[alpine rune]

I got the feeling that the staff had to remove and make a seperate ranking system for the legendaries otherwise the tier list would look like a DBZ Gachalife Tier list

[unique flame]

well then devs are based and are ignoring them

[honest tartan]

they did the same with starters so i wouldn't put it above them to do it

[unique flame]

i honestly would have done the same as a dev

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/xurkitree-pokemon-mrbeast-mrxurkitree-gif-9984008711675004103

https://tenor.com/view/kartana-furfrou-pokemon-sun-moon-gif-19000346

[thorny ferry]

based bruxish placement

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-jester-michael-jackson-gif-320684585084909410

https://tenor.com/view/pheromosa-bewear-punch-oof-gif-27434920

[sand mica]

Furfrou is a good choice.

[zealous flint]

Is there no new announcement today?

[honest tartan]

no

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/wynaut-pokemon-cute-gif-5097226

[placid pelican]

announcements is no more coz blitz ended

wait for community picks etc etc

[zealous flint]

We still have 4 slots left and its saturday tho

[subtle creek]

It said on the aurorus reveal that the final community picks will be revealed in 2 weeks

[zealous flint]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-gif-24404127

[silent acorn]

So guys... When was the reveal again?

Just kidding I know it's on 2 weeks

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-alola-pokemon-alola-pokemon-sun-and-moon-pokemon-sun-gif-27321911

[glossy osprey]

^ the cgi goes hard

[glacial vigil]

I think once the new pokemon are in, I will do a run with an altaria team

By then I should have magic boots

....maybe? I dunno how it works for a new game

[alpine rune]

SCHPEEEEEEN

[fallen loom]

THOSE CUTS EXIST?! THIS is why Furfrou should be in the game! Also the UB saw god?!

[oak ravine]

So, no announcement today, huh?

[fallen loom]

not for 2 weeks

[mystic rivet]

idk if i'm willing to go through the trouble of spawning in one to fuse with every new pokemon i catch, but i think i at least need sableye as my starter next playthrough.

[spark hill]

Are the new mons in the most recent version?

[oak ravine]

Nope

[mystic rivet]

no but the added sprites are sitting outside the custombattlers folder if you have the recent packs. seems they won't get sorted until the pokemon are actually in.

[wanton coral]

I thought we were supposed to get one today

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/celesteela-pokemon-ub-04-blaster-ultra-beasts-gif-9225460209936921652

[prime dust]

no

if you read the auroros announcement they made yesterday, we won't see any other reveal for at least 2 weeks

best case scenario, we won't see another announcement until Oct 21st

[golden vessel]

But where is Leavanny

[drowsy drift]

frogman needs time to actually add all the pokemon to the game

[silent acorn]

No leavanny

[golden vessel]

What??

[silent acorn]

Well not unless it gets in magically

[golden vessel]

This this can’t be

[silent acorn]

I mean you have to pray either spriters vote it, people in the raffle pick it or enough us voted it... Which i am sure I can tell you I didn't.

[golden vessel]

Leavanny is like the best bug type ever

I can’t think of a reason NOT to vote for it

[silent acorn]

I can. Slots

[upper echo]

I feel like clauncher might get in

[glacial vigil]

False, the best bug type is frosmoth

[golden vessel]

Oh boy how wrong you are

[glacial vigil]

Slander

[silent acorn]

Besides I am a golisopod fan.

I have to screw the competition

[glacial vigil]

At least I know Frosmoth will never be in the game

[upper echo]

araquanid best bug type

[golden vessel]

Sigh sigh sigh

[silent acorn]

Wanna know what the best bug type is according to chat? Lurantis

[glacial vigil]

Ah yes, the plant that looks like a bug

[upper echo]

ah yes the mon that copies the upside down mon

[drowsy drift]

bug get to look like plants but if a plant looks like a bug - ooooh no, can't let that slide

[silent acorn]

Needs to be more grassy

[upper echo]

I agree can't let it slide
why can't you be like the peak of grass types
tangrowth and amoonguss

[neat hemlock]

Peak grass?

[silent acorn]

You bring me a plant that is a bug ONLY I will approve

[neat hemlock]

You mean cherrium.
Homie is grass and in the sun it is flower

[silent acorn]

Lilligant
Its a top Lil

[neat hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-happy-كيوت-dance-gif-15181045

Liligant is people grass. Thus diluted

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-26440733

[silent acorn]

Still pure Grass.

[neat hemlock]

This is more grass than liligant

[silent acorn]

That's a dwarf grass hence same level

[terse fable]

Grass
More like
Ass

[glacial vigil]

We all know pinecone is peak grass

[fleet hull]

https://tenor.com/view/parasect-paras-mushroom-crab-disco-gif-556078223141959252

[neat hemlock]

Pinecone is tree tho. Too hard for grass. Basically grass rock.

[silent acorn]

Lilligant has sum

[neat hemlock]

Crabs are water. So this is a grass water.

[upper echo]

ah yes the world champ

[fleet hull]

being crab means its peak in every aspect it applies to

[rigid moth]

I agree, Scyther is peak grass.

[silent acorn]

Ah so Its uncompetitive unfriendly

[upper echo]

nah it just sits there looking cutely while groundon nukes the other team

very friendly

[neat hemlock]

Literally flower all the time. Good contender for top grass.

[silent acorn]

Nah that's top flower... Different

[sand mica]

The most cheery sunflower there is!

[upper echo]

sudowoodo best grass

[glacial vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/oddish-pokemon-gif-10343214

[neat hemlock]

Good argument. But as I said. Top grass still stands as cherrum

[silent acorn]

That's a fruit.

[neat hemlock]

Top potted plant.

[silent acorn]

Starts as a fruit and keeps being a fruit

[neat hemlock]

Fruit is besr grass confirmed

[silent acorn]

SIKE! IT'S A FLOWER ITS DEX SAYS IT!
Blossom pokemon https://pokemon.fandom.com/wiki/Cherrim

[upper echo]

shaymin best grass as it literally has grass on it

[silent acorn]

Ok now that's closer yep

[drowsy drift]

ruined with sky forme

[silent acorn]

Well lilligant has literal foliage as her whole dress.

[upper echo]

that's just shaymin being cut grass flying in the air

[neat hemlock]

Double sike, still best grass

[sand mica]

A tulip bud? That looks like a berry underneath... how is it a tulip bud? Tulips aren't purple.

[neat hemlock]

Yeah, don't take the pokemon offical lore too seriously

[upper echo]

Ferrothorn do got the funny noodle arms tho 🤔
and you know what is full noodles
tangrowth

[silent acorn]

You know what it takes to be a top grass type according to basics???

To have green on yourself all the time!

Hence cherrim is only half peak grass type because it abandons the path of green!

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-bad-animation-twinkle-tackle-xernous-pokemon-sun-gif-22623650

[neat hemlock]

Sounds like you live on the mainland or something
Unova is peak

Or maybe aloloa...

Gonna be real, I missed the gens with ribbons... But I kinda wanted them back in scar n vio so I could try it out

[neat hemlock]

The most ridiculous of attacks...

[drowsy drift]

billion dollar franchise btw

[neat hemlock]

Bruh, I hope we get Blitzle in so we can see manga styled black n white sprites

Gonna get back to the roots of the franchise.
Like when Pikachu and mudkip were peak design

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-whalelord-z-move-pokemon-sun-and-moon-nintendo-gif-14048326319098172019

[glacial vigil]

Blitzle would be nice

I also want deerling line tbh

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/meowstic-pokemon-cute-gif-25614970

[glacial vigil]

Need pokemon that aren't ponyta/rapidash for a Kelpie run

[brisk vessel]

Ok but this is peak

[glacial vigil]

I like mepwstic too

[neat hemlock]

I dont like the evolved ones, but the espurr is super cute n creepy

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/litten-steenee-castform-yuck-eww-gif-22673808

[neat hemlock]

This should, no joke, be a magikarp move

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/zmove-splash-magikarp-gif-7294463

[neat hemlock]

Cast form with the big ol bouncy balls and weather powers

[honest tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/seismic-toss-ursaring-pokémon-ursaring-professor-oak-ursaring-uses-seismic-toss-gif-25917742

[neat hemlock]

What a Chad move. To just style on the enemy with a golden mon

[drowsy drift]

castform should have mythical stats

get those 70s up to 100s

[neat hemlock]

We need a way to increase base stats so we can make our favorites strong enough to be competitive

[drowsy drift]

who cares about competitive

[brisk vessel]

Like half of the fanbase

[neat hemlock]

I want to.be able to fight my favorites against others favorites without someone being stomped

So people who are all like 'deoxis is my favorite,' can have a more fair fight with the flaafy homies

https://tenor.com/view/mareep-gif-2692235231809030929

Part of what makes fusion cool. You can bump up some lower mons with upper power ones

Caterpie + Blitzle = Silk Zebra

[silent acorn]

Me wanting lilligant so I can make a badass punchy Gant.
I want to make Hitmongant

[brisk vessel]

I wanna combine melo with a fast mon so it can actually use its impressive spatk

[neat hemlock]

Liligant is gonna be Fighter mon bait.
Because who doesn't want fighting pokemon with baggy pants

[dull root]

Saying we need a way to modify base stats in IF is the exact same as saying mainline pokemon games need a way to modify base stats. The base stats are part of the challenge, If you want to use a bad mon or a good mon in a bad way, then it's going to be difficult

[silent acorn]

Mostly because her head works for special attack, meaning you put her on offensive mons and you get overall more advantages

[neat hemlock]

I didn't say it had to be an easy way.
Lotta jrpg s got that reincarnation and new game plus nonsense going on.

[dull root]

That's fair i guess

I just don't see it but it's a fine idea

[neat hemlock]

Oh yeah. It won't happen. But I like the idea

[glacial vigil]

Just fuse a bad pokemon with Shedinja and enjoy the wonder guard cheese

[drowsy drift]

one grain of sand:

[sand mica]

I bet they have Disgaea to thank for reincarnation.

[neat hemlock]

I played that series to death

[hollow quest]

get a lopinja, only one weakness

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/disgaea-prinny-penguins-gif-22434440

[neat hemlock]

STATUS moth homie!

But yeah. I liked how disgaea let you turn anyone into your main ass kicker... With enough effort

[glacial vigil]

Psssh... people haven't encountered the thing called Etrian Odyssey: the original

[hollow quest]

ghost/normal my beloved

[sand mica]

Now I am the main character! The Winged Warrior.

[neat hemlock]

1 felt stiff compared to 2. 2 is a great jumping in point, but is rough compared to later ones.

[glacial vigil]

The bugginess and all is what makes 1 so hard

[sand mica]

So what exactly is it like? Wizardry for the modern era? Because western Wizardry grinded to a halt after Wizardry 8?

[neat hemlock]

The lack of actual good skills on the non mages made it hard

[glacial vigil]

Lol no, it's a turn based dungeon crawler

[neat hemlock]

They re released EO 1 2 n 3 on steam.

[drowsy drift]

that's what wizardry is

[glacial vigil]

Etrian Odyssey 1 is either super easy or super hard

[drowsy drift]

japan LOVES wizardry for some reason

[neat hemlock]

2 is good, but hard. 3 is when the series turned over into more 'just rush them down, you can get real power'

[glacial vigil]

Some skills are so cheesey but some bosses are so hard you need them

[silent acorn]

You art wizardo Takeshi

[drowsy drift]

the game series wizardry

[silent acorn]

I did say that as a joke

[sand mica]

The Japanese suddenly took over Wizardry after the western company Sir-Tech shut down. Somehow a Japanese company got the trademark for it.

[silent acorn]

Apparently there was a version of wizardry where you didn't level up at all

[neat hemlock]

The remakes that added in the later classes to earlier games was ballin.

Loved my drive blade and shadow clones.

[glacial vigil]

I have a physical copy for Switch. It was not cheap but worth it for me

[neat hemlock]

I just got the originals on the DS 3ds

[glacial vigil]

I didn't have them and I don't like emulating handhelds

[neat hemlock]

I feel it.

Anywhom... Cherrum is top plant and we gotta get that Blitzle so we can get retro n manga sprites.

[glacial vigil]

Yes to Blitzle

Lemme have my electric kelpie dreams

[neat hemlock]

Kelpie ? Water horse?

[glacial vigil]

Yush

Zebra looks close enough. Can probably make kelpie fusions

[neat hemlock]

Blitzle and seal?

[silent acorn]

Zebra Jr.

[glacial vigil]

I think rapidash has multiple kelpie sprites

[neat hemlock]

Blitzle and spheal for that chubby and less scary kelpie

[neat hemlock]

Fur skirt

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-alcremie-cute-music-gif-14512258

[glacial vigil]

Alcremie, my beloved

Would be perfect for dessert fusions, but gen 8 mon

[neat hemlock]

Be a hilarious thing to add just a few gen 8s, not whole lines.

[white meadow]

Litten Evo line

[neat hemlock]

Sprigatito randomly shows up... Can't evolve... Just cat

https://tenor.com/view/sprigatito-pokemon-horizons-gif-6832100508081509041

[silent acorn]

Personally want hatterene to make slapping hat mons
Or hat mons in general. I don't think every pokemon would be as small as hatterenes body right?

[sand mica]

The grass starter line was ruined with this.

[neat hemlock]

Not familiar with hatterenes

[neat hemlock]

Actually legit like sprigs line. Which I was expecting to hate based on him becoming bipedal

https://tenor.com/view/sprigatito-floragato-meowscarada-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-gif-16793162176744496154

[silent acorn]

Meowscarada has chill vibes

[feral bear]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-charge-beam-aromatisse-gif-13030741

[white meadow]

Ok, but Incenaroar is literally the better Meowscarda...

[silent acorn]

would honestly like something like this if aromatisse got in.

[sand mica]

They better not make a water cat starter for generation XI or I'll personally show up to force them to make a skunk starter line.

[silent acorn]

A ||MOIST PUSS||
'Disclaimer must be mature enough to spoil'

[golden vessel]

WHAT

[glossy osprey]

guzzlord

[silent acorn]

Hehehehehehehehe
MUAHAHAHAHAAHAHA he said the thing

[white meadow]

Yessir

[sand mica]

https://tenor.com/view/aurorus-amaura-ice-dinosaur-family-parent-and-child-gif-1967751136801732766

[silent acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[brisk vessel]

[fallen loom]

what kind of OP fusions can you make with longneck ice dino?

[silent acorn]

Aegislash/Dhelmise cool fusion.

[brisk vessel]

Whar

[fallen loom]

not an ice dino

[brisk vessel]

Refrigerate Boomburst

[fallen loom]

would that be Ice/Dragon?

or Rock/Flying?

[brisk vessel]

Depends on if the devs rearrange the type

[silent acorn]

You can make Volcarona/Aurorus, to maximize Spatk, and then use refrigerate to use their most powerful bug and fire moves, along with quiver dance. And the rock/bug typying eliminates as many weaknesses as possible.

[brisk vessel]

But refrigerate only affects normal type moves (like boombur

[silent acorn]

HANG ON WHAT???????

Who came up with this nonsense

Man... Thats some bs

[neat hemlock]

Eh, not feeling the ice. Seems more like a fashion thing.

[neat hemlock]

When you're so confused you got it backwards

Next you'll tell me grass turtle is more turtle than water turtle

[white meadow]

What the actual flip are you yapping about

[neat hemlock]

Think the dubious disk has corrupted you

The ice dino could make some fancy eye liner or coat frills for people shaped mons.

[dull root]

I have to agree on the Meowscarada front. I love that cat so much

[sand mica]

I thought Refrigerate was a bad ability?

Remember that Amaura and Aurorus's head fins change color with emotions.

https://tenor.com/view/scratch-heart-play-pokemon-amaura-gif-26302067

[dry nest]

[neat moth]

Refrigerator turn any normal move to ice with 20% power. Not a bad ability, just doesn’t have that many Pokémon to use it right.

[prisma willow]

Aurorus/Poygon-Z?

But then 4x weakness to fighting no matter what. Hm

[neat moth]

Actually only Aurorus has it. Except for mega galie

[neat hemlock]

So 1/5th power?

[sand mica]

Wait, they nerfed the ability in generation VII?

[neat moth]

Plus stab if it ice

Yes 30 -> 20

[neat hemlock]

Ah.. so 30% the normal power of stab... And maybe up to 60 or 120 if weak

[prisma willow]

Hm... what Pokemon could really benefit from regfrigerate?

[neat hemlock]

Articuno ?

[livid geyser]

most ice types.

[neat hemlock]

But they'd need a normal type move to change over...

Ice type tackle could be funny tho.

Ice type last resort.

[livid geyser]

ice type explosion (kid named mega glalie:)

[neat hemlock]

Swift can't miss, so that could be a reasonable move

[livid geyser]

ice type trump card lol

[neat moth]

Boom burst , hyper voice, double edge,

[neat hemlock]

Sonic boom!

20 damage, but now its ice to affect ghosts

[alpine rune]

Petition to change modern mode Mantine/Lapras to this

Lets make it more annoying and bulky with Roost/Veil/Icy Wind and Water Pulse

[woeful root]

refrigerate is useful, but only if it can be on a stab pokemon

[neat hemlock]

I like how it has horsees

[neat moth]

Extreme speed and jugment, shull bash and thrash.

[odd current]

I was going to say "Ice type techno blast would be neat" until I realized

[neat hemlock]

Ice type hyper beam

Aurora beam TWO!

[eager quarry]

frees up the item slot though

[odd current]

yeah and I guess it gives a little bit more base power and potential stab

But if it were stab then it'd have to be ice/steel which is not very good

Wait no it would be bug/ice. and that's worse

[neat hemlock]

Ice steel sounds cool. Fire and any other 4x ?

[drowsy drift]

the game isn't difficult enough to warrant being so focused on optimization

[odd current]

also 4x to fighting but at least it gets the steel type

[odd current]

i can't turn off optimization brain

[drowsy drift]

make fun strategies instead of optimal ones - sometimes they overlap

[neat hemlock]

I mostly don't like dealing with 4x weaknesses cause 1 hit is the end most the time

[odd current]

Yeah that's true. I did use an Ice/Steel type in my first playthrough but that was solely because it was Midna-shaped

[sand mica]

Well how come my level 70 Pokémon party failed to beat a level 66 Cynthia champion party without massive item spam on Garchomp?

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-issues-skill-issues-bruh-hell-naw-how-aaaaaaa-gif-23728802

[sand mica]

I seriously had to spam healing items until Garchomp ran out of PP and was forced to use Struggle in both Diamond Version and Brilliant Diamond.

[drowsy drift]

I was talking about IF specifically

that being said, ik a higher difficulty level is being worked on and maybe that will require a lot more optimization. really push the fusion system to its limits

[upper echo]

just play underleveled without obviously stupidly broken mons

ngl being 10 levels underleveled the whole game made it a lot more dynamic

[crystal cosmos]

It is but you can only use stuff the player has access to at that point unlike modern which have a Steelix in Brock’s gym

[last pecan]

will this chat die in the next 2 weeks? who knows

[upper echo]

also using non broken mons lets you use more of the pokedex
like umbreon
anyways bewear bouta go hard

[livid geyser]

i think this chat is going to violently shit itself when the last pokemon is revealed

[upper echo]

all the cope will vanish and it will be replaced with rage

[crystal cosmos]

Frogman also banned using Legendaries or the 2 move tutors that give access to Legendary exclusive moves

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/wurmple-party-hard-pokemon-gif-24016485

[vestal wharf]

Im gonna be honest

[drowsy drift]

5 completely wasted slots baby

[vestal wharf]

Pokemon without croagunk is like ash without the pikachu

[last pecan]

thankfully only 4 slots remain

[vestal wharf]

And theres only 3 ninjas in the game, why?

[drowsy drift]

cascoon and silcoon being separate pokemon is the biggest copout gamefreak has ever pulled

[crystal cosmos]

It’s going to be added when only 1 slot remains and give us 4 bonus mons :copium:

[vestal wharf]

Ninjask and shedinja dont have to be the only used ninja fusions

We can have accelgor

[livid geyser]

am i the only one here who wants timburr?

[upper echo]

accelgor would be nice
as it would mean they would probably add excavalier
(just make the evo method leveling with both of them in the party or something like mantine)

[vestal wharf]

Yea

They can ignore excavalier like they did with aurorous

[ebon glacier]

I used to love timburr 😄

[drowsy drift]

knight vs ninja spriting contest

[upper echo]

I dunno it was added in the end

[proud rampart]

does anyone think we will get type:null? 👀

[vestal wharf]

Fuck

[upper echo]

but also they literally are more linked then almost any other mon in the game

[drowsy drift]

slowpoke and shellder

[upper echo]

excavalier is literally wearing shelmet shell as a shoe

[vestal wharf]

Toxicroak is a cool frog, idk why no one wants him

[livid geyser]

i dont think you can get any more linked than “both are required for each other to evolve” without making them part of the same pokemon line

[upper echo]

frog is popular
it's just
other mons are more popular (among both regular people and the people who select bonus)

[vestal wharf]

Ninja is under rated

[upper echo]

but I got my wildcard mon in bewear so I can't complain
except that not enough weather setters made it in

[vestal wharf]

How tf does a sand castle make it but a poison frog doesnt

[upper echo]

bonus

[livid geyser]

the only pokemon i wanted that is currently confirmed is oricorio.
i have bad taste, i know.

[vestal wharf]

A ninja frog got delayed because people spammed the other starters

[upper echo]

you are talking to relicanth's #1 fan
so I dunno about that

[crystal cosmos]

Frogman hates frogs 😞

[vestal wharf]

Why didnt they just go with the #1 starter choice

[upper echo]

starters excluded cause too popular + clogs too much slots

[livid geyser]

at least it’s not purugly

[dull root]

Personally, I don't think any amount of starters would be as interesting or good for the game's ecosystem as just any other picks. I'm glad they're not in

[drowsy drift]

definitely was the right move. the way fusion works mechanically it gives lesser used pokemon a chance to shine

whereas starters get a lot of attention already

[dull root]

Based opinions Moon, keep it up

[wise cairn]

Top G here
I want Pokemon based on me now

[dull root]

Mankey/Geodude is right there (Mandude)

[wise cairn]

Want something more like me

More alpha

[vestal wharf]

We just got 30+ mons confirmed and ur talking about too much slots?

[wise cairn]

New mons coming?
Can you tell me the names

[vestal wharf]

#announcements

[vestal wharf]

It starts from sableye

[silent acorn]

Actually just check pins.

[wise cairn]

I love the game but difficult is too easy even on hard
Is there a mod that rams up the difficulity Radical red or devon levels?

[drowsy drift]

not currently

[vestal wharf]

Im fucking confused on how dhelmise made it

[wise cairn]

Man seriously the game is too easy

[drowsy drift]

interesting design challenge for spriters + a unique ability for the gameplay

[vestal wharf]

All the poster mons made it

Im not joking

[drowsy drift]

you don't have to use the most powerful pokemon all the time

[slate osprey]

I'm more confused that Altaria was a community vote pick. I never knew Altaria had a following like that

[cinder oasis]

Hard mode nuzlocke goes crazy

[vestal wharf]

I didnt even think people liked avalugg

[wise cairn]

I didn't but still the game hard ductility leaves a lot to be desired

[silent acorn]

Just bonus pick of the team. Not like they won't add more later

[drowsy drift]

there's a thread on here designing a new difficulty mode that's actually difficult, you might want to help out there

[slate osprey]

Randomized hard mode nuzlockes fuck me up. Got my run ended at Cerulean when a random old woman had a Garchomp Volcarona fusion

[vestal wharf]

I should have made an add croagunk and shelmet poster

[slate osprey]

You should've!

[silent acorn]

Too late. Voting ended like 7 weeks ago

[wise cairn]

can you tell me good rules to add for the nuzlock

[drowsy drift]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1144756897732378715

[cinder oasis]

Bro every time I'm doing well I get annihilated by mfin Dragon rage

[wise cairn]

Yes I would love that how can I participate?

[drowsy drift]

https://discord.com/channels/302153478556352513/1144756897732378715

[silent acorn]

Just go there

Man. Kinda sad there is no trolly announcement today

[slate osprey]

Yeah some wildly fast dragon fusion shows up with dragon rage and the run is dead

[neat hemlock]

New to IF... Urianiuns legendary!

[vestal wharf]

More legends dont need to be added if im being honest

[silent acorn]

????
Man that gave me dry eye

Legends are awesome. I only want the ones from y and x, meloetta or Diancie and necrozma and i am off

Wonder what frogman excluded from blitz

[vestal wharf]

Imagine if they finished adding mons and they added mega evos

[silent acorn]

Nah. Too much work for little payoff

[vestal wharf]

I would be fucking scared 😨

[drowsy drift]

an extra 500+ sprites for each mega evo

[sand mica]

The requests for Skuntank won't die in a few weeks if it doesn't get in then.

[vestal wharf]

E4 is bad enough

[silent acorn]

Is this the eviction notice?

[wise cairn]

I checked it it's pretty neet
When I come up with something good I will lost it there

[fallen loom]

213,906 Pokémon including new mon, also including the 4 mystery vote slots

[silent acorn]

Where that number from?

[vestal wharf]

Pokemon feels different without croagunk, change my mind

[fallen loom]

462x462+462

[silent acorn]

I mean. It's a fighting poison type. It's decent.

[wise cairn]

*post

[silent acorn]

For possible combos?

[fallen loom]

yes

[silent acorn]

Man I just wanna have another mon vote, tis fun

One where dragons arent such a problem.

[wise cairn]

Can we add cinderace and rillaboom

[silent acorn]

No. No gen 8 or 9 stuff. Technical limitations

[drowsy drift]

anything after gen 7 isn't going to happen

[silent acorn]

IF works up to a specific version and that's it's basically

[fallen loom]

maybe another vote for legendaries/mythicals, but it's 3 slots max

[vestal wharf]

Actually they can add Z moves to the game

[drowsy drift]

but why would you want that?

[silent acorn]

Anything too complicated is in the air.

[vestal wharf]

I mean i want z moves

[upper echo]

too bad that's when the alternate terrain setters + worm came out

[silent acorn]

What for? IF gives enough availability as is

[vestal wharf]

Z moves aint that complicated

[silent acorn]

Code them into the game then.

[vestal wharf]

I dont got the code

[upper echo]

but I just like any mons that give alternate mons for specific strats like pelliper for rain or the turtle for sun

[fallen loom]

Name a great Bug fusion that doesn't involve Pinsir, Sycther line, Volcarona or Heracross

[drowsy drift]

the version of pokemon essentials already has zmovies I'm pretty sure. was just a choice to not include them

[wise cairn]

Can't the base the game is made on can be updated to support new mechanics?

[silent acorn]

Volcarona/Aggron
Damnit

[fallen loom]

I edited it

[silent acorn]

Ok... Uhhhh... Shuckle/steelix

[fallen loom]

dang

[vestal wharf]

I mean theres beedrill fusions

[hollow quest]

stuff with galvantula

[upper echo]

the game does not have enough weather setters tho
especially non ha ones where I don't have to glitch to get them

[hushed mantle]

[fallen loom]

we need more bugs TBH, too many lame ones like Metapod and Spinarak

[hollow quest]

gardevoir + galvantula gives an actual arachne which is neat

[silent acorn]

Well metapod is a stage and so is spinarak... Spinarak freaking sucks

[fallen loom]

dang, there also hasn't been a single new mon added that's part bug

[vestal wharf]

Tbf theres also some butterfree fusions

[silent acorn]

Galvantula<Ariados

[sand mica]

More like time limitations. They don't have the data and code needed for Generation VIII+ Pokémon in the game so they would need to manually implement stuff there.

[hushed mantle]

We already got scolipede, i can’t think of any other good bug that we could get besides golisopod

[vestal wharf]

We need the bug trading duo

[fallen loom]

oh yeah I always forget that one

[drowsy drift]

crustle

[silent acorn]

Galvantula<Aquaranid<Ariados.

[sand mica]

Orthworm is a good Pokémon.

[upper echo]

araquinid

[upper echo]

earth eater 🧎

[hollow quest]

ariados is not better what are you talkin about

[fallen loom]

we need a Gen 7 bug because there's 0 reason for them to be so slept on

[silent acorn]

Levanny, Excavalier, Accelgor can die in a ditch

Drapion

[upper echo]

excavalier is great

[fallen loom]

Drapion isn't part bug

[hushed mantle]

Skorupi

[drowsy drift]

https://tenor.com/view/burmy-pokemon-gif-19870996

[silent acorn]

Nah but technically you get it from a bug

[sand mica]

Ribombee x Oricorio?

[upper echo]

Drapion was one of my fav
until I used it and the learnset hurt me

[hushed mantle]

I hate that thing with a burning passion… or may i say… a burming passion

[fallen loom]

I think we should get Wimpod, Ribombee or Araquanid

[upper echo]

tbh they should buff some mon's movesets
togekiss DOES NOT learn any good fairy moves
and the dazzling gleam tm ain't anywhere to be found

[hollow quest]

araquanid is cool

[hushed mantle]

I do not want moonblast that always lowers special attack

[upper echo]

one of the strongest hitting mons in the game

[silent acorn]

I can't support araquanid until golisopod in game

[upper echo]

dazzling gleam
i'm asking for dazzling

[silent acorn]

Have bruxish

[hushed mantle]

It already learns dazzling gleam

[fallen loom]

they can't find the TM

[upper echo]

only via tm
and well dazzling ain't anywhere to be found

[woven maple]

Have we received confirmation from the devs on if any mons will get their types switched for the purposes of fusion? Like Magnemite?

[upper echo]

last time I checked
unless it's in modern mode

[silent acorn]

Trevenant has

[hollow quest]

what will it be

[hushed mantle]

I hope aurorus does so

[silent acorn]

I dont know
Inverse

[upper echo]

same with bewear

[woven maple]

Yeah, Aurorus seems like ice/rock would make more sense than rock/ice

[fallen loom]

I wish that Bulbasaur kept the Poison typing when fusing, same with Charizard and Flying

[upper echo]

it's ability is great but I'd rather not have normal typing

[silent acorn]

I get typhlosion giving mono fire but why the Kanto starters

[fallen loom]

only when they fuse

[woven maple]

Do you want Bewear to switch to fighting/normal? Or just always pass on its fighting type?

[silent acorn]

Yeah but why?

[fallen loom]

IDK

[hushed mantle]

I think the normal type is better than the fighting type defensively

[upper echo]

always pass fight

[upper echo]

I'd rather have a good offensive typing to use alongside it's good attack stat
it's ability already patches up it's defenses enough

[silent acorn]

Except fire

[violet current]

why would you pass on a free immunity at the cost of a single weakness with amazing stab options

[upper echo]

fighting water

[silent acorn]

I think bewear body fusions get the better deal because you can put something with strong special defense to counteract that

[upper echo]

hammer arm
and superpower

[violet current]

fighting water is the most threatening offensive type combo out there nvm

[upper echo]

stab drain punch

oh yeah close combat too

[silent acorn]

I want something other than shuckle to make a contrary pokemon

[fallen loom]

Pokémon that only give a specific typing when fusing:
Bulbasaur line - Grass
Charizard - Fire
Geodude line - Rock
Gastly line - Ghost
Onix - Rock
Steelix - Steel
Scyther - Bug
Gyarados - Water
Articuno - Ice
Zapdos - Electric
Moltres - Fire
Dragonite - Dragon
All Normal/Flying Types - Flying

[hollow quest]

electric fighting like a certain mythical should've gotten

[silent acorn]

Geodude is fine because rock/ground Is ass anyway

[upper echo]

I only want to make a electric fighting if it's a special attacker

[woven maple]

I think the Gyarados choice is weird honestly. Giant flying snake should be flying.

[fallen loom]

it only affects FUSING

[upper echo]

dunno passing on stab earthquake is pretty good

[finite thistle]

Good to know, that's always a wee bit confusing

[silent acorn]

That why I said it's fine because normally that typying sucks

[upper echo]

no flying stab.

[drowsy drift]

and yet talonflame will pass on flying type and give the fusion -flame suffix

[silent acorn]

The 4x weaknesses aren't good and it keeps that move anyway

There is rhyperior who does that better too

[upper echo]

I mean you aren't keeping the 4x weakness when fusing

I'd rather have a ground type then a rock type
better stab options

[silent acorn]

Exactly why the ground part isn't necessary

[fallen loom]

I think that Bulbasaur line and Charizard only giving away their primary types is dumb TBH

[upper echo]

exactly why being allowed to choose both ground and rock is better

[violet current]

head smash rocks tho

[silent acorn]

God forbid it was any other way because of blastoise fans making a tantrum

[woven maple]

I agree with the Bulbasaur line, but I think Charizard should give flying

[upper echo]

too bad you gotta get another mon who can use it

not that many rock types can learn headsmash

[silent acorn]

I am glad golem gets the speed stats of the head

[violet current]

hisuian growlithe my beloved

uu menace

[fallen loom]

too bad all the good Rock Types are out of the game

[hollow quest]

hisuian growlithe would be good if it didn't end up with 2 4x

[silent acorn]

Aggron and fossils are still good

[woven maple]

Good Rock Types

Tyranitar and who else?

[silent acorn]

Besides those I can't begin to defend other rock types except gigalith and diancie

[upper echo]

the power of rock typing

[violet current]

its so fucked that the rhydon line doesnt learn it but fucking sudowoodo does

[drowsy drift]

rhydon my beloved

[fallen loom]

unlike Ice, Rock resists Normal and unlike Ice, Grass has recovery options

[upper echo]

ayy relicanth can learn it

[hollow quest]

rock/bug is the best defensive typing for rock types

[silent acorn]

Rock bug is just so good.

[hollow quest]

and that's funny to me

[drowsy drift]

crustle rules

[silent acorn]

Its because their weaknesses don't overlap

[fallen loom]

poor Scyther can't evolve into its superior evolution

[upper echo]

relicanth being able to have rockhead + headsmash
but so many rock head mons can't

[silent acorn]

The other good one was basically rock/grass. Rock/water isn't that good

[violet current]

scizor still clears kleavor

[fallen loom]

so dumb, why does GF make so many stupid mistakes?

[drowsy drift]

scizor is like the perfect pokemon, can't really get better than it

[silent acorn]

Oh rock flying is also decent

[violet current]

better typing doesnt beat stab technician bullet punch after a sd

[silent acorn]

Yeah you can volcarona beach

[upper echo]

rock just isn't the greatest type
especially the stab options

[violet current]

volcarona rocks

[fallen loom]

are the only good Ice Types pure Ice and Ice/Ghost?

[silent acorn]

Volcarona kills

[hollow quest]

rock, bug, ice

the trifecta of worst types

[violet current]

it makes me so happy that there's at least one good moth.

[upper echo]

ice electric is really great

[violet current]

bax???

[silent acorn]

Basically that's about it. I got excited for refrigerate but that ability sucks ass

[vestal wharf]

What long body pokemon would you breakdance on at the end of their tail?

[silent acorn]

Zygarde

[vestal wharf]

Wrong channel sorry

[hollow quest]

ice/water, ice/electric are the best

[upper echo]

ice is only good offensively so might as well use a offensive combo

[silent acorn]

Ice/electric is a bit redundant to be honest

Its good but not crazy good.

[upper echo]

one of if not the best offensive stab combos possible

[vestal wharf]

Ice electric with levitate

[silent acorn]

The flying overlaps, the ice kills grass, ground, dragon, electric kills water... Yep

[violet current]

the monkeys paw curls and its a physical attacker

[upper echo]

physical electric mon is the most monkey paw thing ever

the only good phy electric moves are signature

[silent acorn]

Sorry but in reality electric is actually not very effective agaisnt a lot of stuff. It's better on the defensive side

Actually ice/fire kills double

[hollow quest]

electric is good as coverage still

[upper echo]

good thing whatever resists electric ice can hit super effectively

[hollow quest]

you can put stuff like thunder punch and thunderbolt on quite a few mons and get some bonus out of that

[violet current]

theres a lot of flying and water types about 24/7 so electric is never a bad type to have so u have access to stab volt switch

[silent acorn]

I am reading and trying to figure out how thats a good thing.

[upper echo]

nothing resists
really good offensively

[fallen loom]

and that's the joke. Ice also used to be in the same boat before Ice Spinner which isn't even in this game

[hollow quest]

even typhlosion managed to access thunder punch

[upper echo]

typings matter both offensively and defensively

[silent acorn]

Ok thats a good point water types are ridiculously common

[upper echo]

if you're gonna suck defensively anyways since you got a ice type
might as well put all your chips in offense

[silent acorn]

Although I prefer ice/fire for full offense if we are going that way

[fallen loom]

tell that to Gamefreak...

[violet current]

inf rocks so much bc i get to make electivire good

[drowsy drift]

why is refrigerate a bad ability again?

[upper echo]

game freak likes bullying ice types

[silent acorn]

Only affects normal moves I thought it affected everything

[fallen loom]

H Avalugg is the worst Ice Type

[violet current]

they literally made the most op ice type this gen

[upper echo]

both are great
it's just electric ice
is the best offensive stab combo in the game

[drowsy drift]

yeah but we're getting noivern with this update too which will give you boomburst

[silent acorn]

For general maybe for all purpose not so much

[upper echo]

they literally just made buffed weavile
it's not a new mon tbh

[fallen loom]

We've got like 4 good Ice Types total and the rest are either mediocre or are too dumb and slow

[silent acorn]

Like yeah it hits the common stuff but fire/ice hits. Lot of stuff too.

[violet current]

i wish more mons had slush rush

[silent acorn]

Beartic

Literally the mon that started that one and everyone puts it out of question

[violet current]

bc snow is way more interesting than hail and actually has a good setter in slowking

[upper echo]

there's like only one mon I can think of that resists thunderbolt + ice beam and it's just magnezone

[silent acorn]

Infernape.

[silent acorn]

You are not taking out quickly enough to kill it.

[upper echo]

infernape can't resist both

[silent acorn]

It can. And I fact can blitz cuz of Mach punch.
Also infernape is ridiculously fast.

[fallen loom]

Only mons that get Slush Rush: Beartic (not in the game) or never getting in

[violet current]

for good reason, beartic blows. doubling 50 speed doesn't do much.

[upper echo]

it's literally just dying to thunderbolt tbh

[silent acorn]

That'd be on the base not the fusion.

[fallen loom]

we need a 3rd bear anyway, so it could be Beartic

[silent acorn]

My guy you think that thing will have time to shoot that when it's close combated?

[upper echo]

infernape will need to switch in

[silent acorn]

Like its fast it wasnt made to be a tank it's a glass cannon. Ok thats another thing in which case yes it will need switch in

Oh lucario.

[upper echo]

also like slush rush arctozolt literally outspeeds it

[silent acorn]

Hang on you need the hail first

Well agaisnt an npc that's effective yeah

Really wish we got abomasnow, snow warning it's good and abomasnow could just mix it's typying with something else

[upper echo]

electric ice is just a busted offensive typing can't wait to fuse aurorus with a electric type

[upper echo]

this game is just missing weather setters tbh
there isn't enough variety in them

[drowsy drift]

ampharos/lapras is already crazy

[silent acorn]

Maybe it's busted on artoczolt because of slush rush.

[fallen loom]

Really wish we got insert Pokémon here It's insert feature here would make for great fusions!

[upper echo]

arctozolt got kinda bad stats tbh
it's carried by it's ability

[silent acorn]

But like lacking in speed... Which aurorus does unfortunately, harm that thought

[silent acorn]

See? You would need something speedy like weavile which... We already got...

[upper echo]

if gen 8 mons were in
regieleki + any mon = fast

but most ice types suck tbh
the good ones are the ones who are good offensively and weather setters

[silent acorn]

Ah gen 8...I only want hatterene out of that bunch. But atleast I get the second best thing with delphox

I wanna make witches that kick ass
I like the witch aesthethics that's what hatterene literally is.

[fallen loom]

If Gen 9 mons were in:
Iron Bundle + Chien-Pao = fast

quick Water/Dark Type

[upper echo]

I'd fuse the worm with aggron
just make better aggron

[violet current]

flip turn bundle/eleki would be insane

[silent acorn]

Welp. We can't do much about that can we now?

[upper echo]

eleki/any special attacker = insane

[violet current]

yea p much

[drowsy drift]

could always figure out the witchcraft behind the fusion system yourself and make your own fangame with updated essentials

[violet current]

man i wish i were playing a good pokemon game rn, colosseum blows

[silent acorn]

Man early gen legendary or mythical abilities really sucked. Mostly pressure

[upper echo]

I am way too bad at coding anything to do that tbh

[drowsy drift]

pokemon fans when a pokemon game is an rpg:

[silent acorn]

A bad RPG you mean

[upper echo]

all I care about is having a variety of options in a pokemon game

[silent acorn]

Its absurb how long it took a lot of the features to be made

[fallen loom]

???????? WTF???? No it doesn't!

[silent acorn]

Like priority rock... Really couldnt have made that like 2 gens earlier?

[violet current]

its just really slow! i like the concept a lot but its held back by how slow it is

[upper echo]

and it's exclusive baby

[silent acorn]

I dont think it is in IF

[agile olive]

it's fucking hard, I don't remember much of that from playing it as a kid but it has this reputation for being the hardest game cos no wild pokemon = no way to farm exp

[silent acorn]

Was it? There is no good wiki for that

[drowsy drift]

tbf XD does improve a lot of the rough spots of colosseum so that's valid

[upper echo]

crazy how the base 90 phy electric move has recoil
and it's never getting upgraded cause the flare blitz equivalent is pikachu exclusive

[violet current]

xd also shiny locked the shadow pokemon so im not interested

[agile olive]

never ended up playing XD

[fallen loom]

We STILL don't have a Special Intimidate either

[silent acorn]

True. It's not rocket science they could have repurpose abilities a better way

[drowsy drift]

we need more insanely minmaxed legendaries that completely ruin any remaining balance

[silent acorn]

Why isn't there more abilities like heat proof?

[fallen loom]

You can rebattle trainers forever

[silent acorn]

Thick fat sucks because it's distributed to water mons

[upper echo]

just buff volt tackle to 150 base power and make wild charge 120

[agile olive]

is that only in the battle tower thing though

[fallen loom]

Hariyama IG

[silent acorn]

Damnit! Should have supported that fat ball

[fallen loom]

No, you can go to Pyrite and battle them in the square, as well as other places

[upper echo]

mamoswine

but ey at least 1 mon loves thick fat (appleton)

[silent acorn]

Hm. What else... Well there is solid rock being exclusive to camerupt for some freaking reason

[acoustic locust]

waters a p good defensive typing tho

[fallen loom]

Places to grind in Colo:
Various trainers in Pyrite, Agate etc...
Colosseums in most towns
Mt. Battle

[violet current]

im just playin it to start my ribbon quest tbh tbh

[acoustic locust]

oh wait, i misremembered what thick fat is

[silent acorn]

On one's they are already resistant agaisnt not very useful

[agile olive]

hmm maybe that's why I didn't struggle toomuch as a kid, I probably looked up that you could do that

[fallen loom]

You can also rebattle ALL the trainers in that cave in Pyrite to Miror B

[violet current]

maybe it picks up later, im still early on

[fallen loom]

how far?

also trainers will upgrade their teams the further you get in the game

[violet current]

i just rescued silva in the cipher hideout, i started this morning

[fallen loom]

ah

the game is easier once you know trainers are the wild Pokémon and you can get inf money from them

[flat herald]

??? They don’t give more money each time you do repeat fights, I thought

[agile olive]

not in IF, not sure about col

[flat herald]

Ah. Then it could very well be that way with… whatever that game is, lol.

[sharp sphinx]

shame no excadrill

[sharp sphinx]

mismagius?

for the witch aesthetic

I guess thats onlya s a head

[sharp sphinx]

theres loads ofgreat beedrill fusions its just finished so ya dont see in gallery much

[sharp sphinx]

theres legit no space for that in votes

[drowsy drift]

it's jokes

[little island]

Lots of Butterfrees too tbh

[charred grotto]

Snorlax and Mamoswine also get a lot of use out of Thick Fat, and so does Walrein despite being a water type (since it takes it from neutral to fire to resisting it).

[trail hull]

vote power : +7

I'm a bit more then halfway there

[clever atlas]

😂

[azure beacon]

Doesnt Rhyperior have it in IF?

Or do you mean in general?

[upper echo]

it's not exclusive
the rock turtle
rhyperior and camerupt have it

[silk narwhal]

i'm at 8

[alpine rune]

MOLṐN LABÉ

[real relic]

Hello there people! This is a new person talking!

Oh wait this chat is kinda dead

[glacial vigil]

Hello new person

[alpine rune]

it be like that

[glacial vigil]

I am not a new person

[alpine rune]

Im relatively new

You could say I'm forever 17

Forever not legal

[brisk vessel]

My stomach hurts

[alpine rune]

same but why tho

[white meadow]

Isnt that a Beast with Stance change

[silk narwhal]

get well soon

[alpine rune]

[silk narwhal]

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[alpine rune]

I was thinking of just using poison steel with regenerator lol

[brisk vessel]

Stance Change swaps defenses and offenses

[white meadow]

Yes and didnt Toxapex have great defenses

[brisk vessel]

Its what got Aegislash banned to Ubers in Gen 6 and 7

Cuz you couldn't kill it and it just ohkos one of your mons

Mf gets a free turn to swords dance and just murders you with sacred sword

Or in a toxapex fusion case, knock off

[white meadow]

I love that we got more dino mons (Aurorus/Feraligatr)

[alpine rune]

I like how there's more Aurorus Heads than Bodies

[white meadow]

stance change is one of the reasons i want diancie

[brisk vessel]

Tbf Aurorus has better head stats

And I've done my contribution for more dino mons (Therizinosaur

[glacial vigil]

Not only that, being a gen 6 mon there is no sprite yet for the less experienced spriters to use as a body

[brisk vessel]

There is the Smogon one

[trail hull]

Great

[glacial vigil]

Oh, I didn' realize

Guess I can work on a whole chikorita/amaura line then

[silk narwhal]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DID I NOT THINK ABOUT MAKING A SPINO AAAAAH

[alpine rune]

you guys count your sprites?

[glacial vigil]

If I have time, at least

[white meadow]

It isnt mine sadly #1160524417579876483 here is the thread

[white meadow]

Show me

[brisk vessel]

It was this one

[white meadow]

He looks so dumb but its smart af

[brisk vessel]

[white meadow]

Love him tho

[brisk vessel]

I only need to do Mareanie then I'll be done with all my blitz sprites

I will do whatever it takes to get Meloetta added

[white meadow]

I need Aurorus, Cacturn and Hawlucha

[white meadow]

But Aurorus and Cacturn probably will be Dinos
Maybe Hawlucha too

[silk narwhal]

doesn't matter

HOLY FUCK I GOT AN IDEA @white meadow
AURORUS/TYRANTRUM CONCAVENATOR

as a paleonerd, i know a bunch of taxons

[glacial vigil]

Ah, it seems there are already 2 meganium head fusions with Aurorus. I can skip that

Er... With aurorus head, I mean

[white meadow]

Idk about Concavenator
I feel like long necked Dromeosaurs could fit
Like Colephysichs (hope i didnt fuck up the name)

[silk narwhal]

You did, it's coelophysis

also, i said concavenator because of the sail
coelo has nothing similar

[soft timber]

any dino fusion is a good fusion

[white meadow]

True
But didnt Concavenator just had a bump?