pif-hoenn-discussion

[paper pasture]

This is spheal propaganda

[cinder oasis]

I find it ridiculous that Spheal plush is 400~ dollars

[paper pasture]

Yall better be taking a propa gander at spheal

[copper bison]

Ikr? Even i was shocked and i saved a few from that batch >_>

[spice badge]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-pokemon-clapping-gif-25991342

[cursive igloo]

I find it ridiculous that I don’t have 400€ to spare

[rocky condor]

Ok, imma say this. In my eyes, ai backgrounds are fine. Backgrounds are an absolute nightmare to do for some people. Ai does help in that regard. HOWEVER, don't use ai as a replacement. Use it as a tool to help. Or to shitpost. Either work tbh

[paper pasture]

Omgggg

[paper pasture]

Stealing these

[lone dome]

Precious

[copper bison]

My thoughts exactly

[paper pasture]

Ngl I NEED rhythm heaven plushies

[cinder oasis]

Hope you can recover 🙏

[cursive igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-sigilyph-psybeam-gif-13030773

[rocky condor]

i find it ridiculous you won't go into debt for it

[white meadow]

Spheal Voters : https://youtu.be/iUYyMYynz10
(its a German song from a German Youtuber)

[paper pasture]

Sigi is also banger and I wanna see nazca line sprites

[cursive igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-oh-yes-yes-o-yeah-yes-no-yes-go-on-yea-yes-gif-24983806

[livid ridge]

my god thats ai? bruh it looks so good

[cursive igloo]

Pssst Zero, your age is showing

[copper bison]

Just the background, the rest is my handiwork, and this isn't even the one i have that's shaded

[lone dome]

Their facial expressions are so cute!

[cinder oasis]

I used sigilyph when I played Gen 5 and it was really good

[rough hound]

i come to yall with a conundrum. which shellos card should i make into a sprite

[rocky condor]

Chat if you vote chatot you have my respect

[white meadow]

Im fucking 21 let me be

[lethal roost]

the left i think

[cursive igloo]

I find it ridiculous that I’m already in debt for real life vet costs 💀

I’d rather be in debt for bribing frogman to include Skitty

[spice badge]

i feel like 40% of pokemon is just "little guy" and 40% is just "cool guy" and 20% is just "weird guy"

[livid ridge]

chatot more like chadot

[frozen oyster]

The three basic food groups for a healthy living

[cinder oasis]

First one since itll work better out of water

[rocky condor]

what does chatot fall under? I'd say little guy

[sharp sphinx]

ah found the comic https://twitter.com/esasi8794/status/1494933405498101760

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[spice badge]

little guy

[lone dome]

Make both of them in order

[rough hound]

fair. should i keep them facing that way since theyre looking back or mirror it and hope for the best

[cinder oasis]

True

[frozen oyster]

I feel like there's definitely bleed over into Weird guy but it'd a very little bird.

[white meadow]

Btw Noivern is great

[cinder oasis]

I feel like weird guy is more like 30% since most mythicals and legendaries are super funky

[copper bison]

Shaded verson

[rocky condor]

looks great dude

[copper bison]

Thanks, i cant really sprite well. But i can do other art okay xD

[sharp sphinx]

saw a ocncept in one thing using the horns as wings

[copper bison]

Milotic/xerneas this is shaded and i worked too hard on the underwater shading >_<

[spice badge]

mountain looks like the fortnite chapter 1 salty springs mountain

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/chingling-pokemon-daytuna-question-mark-gif-22851329

[white meadow]

Little bell guy for IF maybe?

[copper bison]

Well its ai generated so heck it may of had some inspirstion?

[hushed mantle]

Minecraft

[rocky condor]

":)"
-chingling probably

[white meadow]

how do you resize sprites properly?

Funny enough Chingling feels like it has more potential than Chimeco

[white meadow]

When you pixeld in 96x96 make it 3 times bigger for the resize

[spice badge]

chingling goated

[paper pasture]

But you can put so many memes on chimecho's curtain

[white meadow]

True

[paper pasture]

Chingling is def the cuter of the two tbh

[rocky condor]

chimecho has pmd potential dude. Also Hare's right. That curtain has some real meme potential

[white meadow]

Every Chomping Pokemon with Chingling would be funny as heck

[paper pasture]

Lmaooo

[lone dome]

[paper pasture]

The true dilemna is chimecho the toung or the uvula🤔

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/team-rocket-team-rocket-pokemon-james-team-rocket-james-pokemon-コジロウロケット団chimeco-gif-25051732

[cobalt nebula]

Can some e explain Noivern?

[rocky condor]

murder

[paper pasture]

It's a noisy wyvern

[cobalt nebula]

It’s the only popular mon I don’t get

[white meadow]

What you mean?

[spice badge]

big ears

[paper pasture]

Bat

[cobalt nebula]

Like what does it bring? What is its fusion potential?

[paper pasture]

Fruitbats are so cute tho guys

[white meadow]

Its a cool Bat while also being a Wyvern
It is strong and has good moves
Its colors are cool too

[cursive igloo]

it's not only a cool bat but also a cute bat AT THE SAME TIME

[paper pasture]

I keep finding noibat on pogo

[lone dome]

Dragon bat mon with big round speaker ears, has a cool design and color palette

[white meadow]

Some examples

[white meadow]

like this?

[lone dome]

It also has a fuzzy collar

[paper pasture]

True fuzzy collars are very important

[mild sedge]

reminder to vote ngs also how the hell did i sleep until 4:46 PM

[paper pasture]

Cough CARBINK cough

[glass quail]

Plugging my picks

[white meadow]

Yes

[spice badge]

i can see necrozma having cool fusions

[white meadow]

meh carbink is just another round rock tho

[tranquil dust]

we dont need Carbink and Diancie tho

[paper pasture]

You generalize too hastily

[spice badge]

geodude clone 💀

[lone dome]

Also has a fluffy collar

[cobalt nebula]

You could put fossils inside Regirock for their fusions

[paper pasture]

Carbink>> diancie plus bunny and gem motif

Not my top pick admittedly tho...

[lone dome]

Oh my god Nargacuga reference fusion

No wait it's a Tigerex

Haven't played Monster Hunter in a while

[white meadow]

Enough examples now?

[cobalt nebula]

I’m theatre but ye

[cinder oasis]

Vote 3 on Abomasnow

[cobalt nebula]

I gave it a 2. I love Sewaddle and Levanny. It’s the mid evolution that keeps it from being a 3.

[white meadow]

Here is my 3 list sylveon hope your fine with it lol
Even Sewaddle is in

[lusty oxide]

I like swaddloon it has a cozy blanket

[cinder oasis]

That's an awful list 1/10

[white meadow]

Okay in what world

Like a 1? Bro you like any Pokemon?

[livid ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-mcdonalds-thumbs-down-i-dont-think-so-gif-16021541

[lusty oxide]

You have too many Pokémon a 3

[livid ridge]

no such thing

[white meadow]

If I see good Potential y not give it a 3 tho

[cinder oasis]

He chose 90~ pokemon

[white meadow]

And ?
I dont need to give 20 a 3 and the rest 0

[lusty oxide]

The more Pokémon you give a 3 the less impact each 3 has

[tranquil dust]

not how it works

[white meadow]

If I do like all of these if they get in than why Is giving them a high number bad?

[tranquil dust]

it isn't

[cinder oasis]

You think the developers want everybody to give a 3 on every pokemon, they have 20~ slots available bro, you cant give 70% of the pokemon possible on the vote a 3 when there's only space for 20% of them

[stone cliff]

When everyone's a 3, nobody is

[lusty oxide]

Exactly

[tranquil dust]

yeah cou can. Maybe my 21th most favorite slot only gets in because I also gave it a 3 instead of just 2

[stone cliff]

But also, people can vote how they want lol. It's not like he's breaking any rules

[cinder oasis]

You can give like 25-30 pokemon a 3 but not 60+

[white meadow]

Thats not evey mon
And if I see the Potential in all of these y Vote it worse?

people can't comprehend that you can like more than one pokemon 😱

[tranquil dust]

maybe if I want all of them except Toxapex, I will give everyone 3 points and give toxapex 0

[stone cliff]

I mean, he can give as many a 3 as he wants, realistically

[cinder oasis]

If everybody voted a 3 on every mon then they would just have to pick themselves.

[white meadow]

So I can only think like 30 Mon have great Potential and the reas I cant?

[livid ridge]

not every single person is going to vote 3 on every mon. one person voting 3 on the mons they like wont destroy the polls

[white meadow]

But thats not every mon
Yeah its maybe 1/3 or so of the Votes but all of them have potential and I would like do sprites using one of them

[cinder oasis]

You don't know that.

[white meadow]

and you do?

[inland jewel]

We do since we already have confirmation that some only have around 80% of the votes

[livid ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/freddy-fazbear-freddy-faz-bear-eye-popping-fnaf-gif-25055659

[tranquil dust]

tell me you know nothing about statistics without telling me you know nothing about statistics

[white meadow]

Sure that I give like 1/3 a 3 makes tens of thousands of votes matter less

[white meadow]

even the starters only got to +70%

[tranquil dust]

tens of thousands 💀

[livid ridge]

mfw i vote 3 on every pokemon: (my computer will explode)

[white meadow]

me when i vote 0 to everything (they won't add any pokemon)

[inland jewel]

I know gen 6 starters were 78%

[gusty shuttle]

the fuck am I reading
one of the threads of all time

[white meadow]

Maybe the devs decide the mons that get in only looking on my Votes🤔

[inland jewel]

I love water polls

[livid ridge]

quick vote 3 on the monkeys

[sharp nebula]

this would be totally fine by me 👍

[white meadow]

Someone who sees I have taste

[sharp nebula]

you gave meloetta a 3, everything else means nothing to me

[gentle ferry]

Looks like chat is back to waiting for the next bit of info already lol

[white meadow]

I checked
Yeah I did give like 1/3 (bit less) a 3 lol

[lusty oxide]

Nice live gastrodon reaction

[white meadow]

Maybe they are salty that there is no Marshadow or Ultra beast or other crap like that

fire

[cinder oasis]

Me? i didn't vote any UB a 3, I like some of them but meh

[white meadow]

Btw even if 70% of mons always get 3 we would get results that work for Voteigs

[livid ridge]

i like all the ub's, plus beast boost but im okay if none get in

[gentle ferry]

I have hopes for Kartana especially in terms of UBs. Stackataka has also been shown to have some cool art ideas already.

[cinder oasis]

If all the pokemon get equal statistics they would just choose themselves anyways.

[white meadow]

yeah because obviously they are all gonna tie with the same perfect score

[cinder oasis]

I wonder what they would do if like 20th place and like 22th are both tied in stats

[white meadow]

But than we all would need to vote 100% of the options a 3
When everyone would have theyr 70% that get 3s we still would end up with a result where we can see the most popular mons that we get in

[white meadow]

Extra poll or just choose one randomly

[gusty shuttle]

The only problem that voting always 3 would create is that 2's and 1's get less and less valuable? Like I vote 2 for a pokémon that I really like while other people vote 3 for a pokémon they like only a bit and so... I don't know. I honestly don't know what y'all talking about xdxd

[livid ridge]

why vote 2 for a pokemon you really like?

[cinder oasis]

Wrong, they should just add them all, if 20th place to 50th place are tied just add them all.

[white meadow]

eh i just gave 0 or 3, no in between

[gusty shuttle]

Exactly. There is really no reason LOL

[white meadow]

Cuz he already used 20 3s

[white meadow]

wrong reply

[cinder oasis]

None, I'm just kidding

[white meadow]

fire

[lusty oxide]

I started this chaos and I’m here for it

[white meadow]

The chance for that is way too small to happen even if always 70% of the votes get 3s

[white meadow]

Its super effectiv

[lusty oxide]

Mystical fire

[livid ridge]

you fool you should have used arsenic

[white meadow]

They still have a limit
Else there wouldnt be a damn Poll

[gusty shuttle]

The only real issue about this whole topic is that it creates inflation in the voting results... but who cares??

[livid ridge]

based

[white meadow]

• gives Sylveon a mysterious piece of Paper *
  I won lol

[lusty oxide]

Honestly I’m not gonna get mad at you for voting a lot of Pokémon 3 but you probably shouldn’t

[gusty shuttle]

It's a non-issue
It's the same thing if 1st 2nd and 3rd are 60%, 59%, 58% or if they are 95%, 94%, 93%

And ties don't matter when they're within the 20th place

[white meadow]

Okay lets see the problem from my perspectiv
Imagine not haveing a Skill Issue and being able to see the big Potential in all of them and reasons to add them, imagine you would be happy no matter wich of those get in
Is a 3 Vote a Problem than🤔

yeah a bunch of people could literally vote all 3 and the percentages would barely change

[gusty shuttle]

The only disaster would be if the first 21 position are a tie
That's not gonna happen

[red falcon]

Just put of curiosity what is causing the limit on which pokemon can be added?

[lusty oxide]

Uhh I said that to end this discussion

[white meadow]

the sheer amount of possible fusions

[lusty oxide]

It’s not a big deal

[white meadow]

Yeah I just wanted to have one lasz argument dont worry

[robust geyser]

Planck constant

[red falcon]

@white meadow is it like a system limitation or just what.

[inland jewel]

How smoothly the game will run

[white meadow]

Even 21 positions wouldnt be a problem cuz we know they have space for 21 slots if they want
It would probably be a problem when its 40-70

[inland jewel]

On a 2005 game engine

[lusty oxide]

Also what’s up with that note you handed me I don’t know what that means

[robust geyser]

It's an SCP

[white meadow]

Too gory to explain (on this server) but you can check SCP 012

[red falcon]

@inland jewel does the game load every pokemon in to memory when starting?!

[robust geyser]

That makes you continue the music sheet with your own blood until you die

[inland jewel]

Every single sprite, and their fusion data for them

[sharp nebula]

evidently not

[lusty oxide]

Oh I’m familiar with scp don’t know what scp-012 is

[red falcon]

@inland jewel 0.0 what engine is this on?

[white meadow]

I wouldnt explain it cuz mods often get mad cuz of the slightest bit of gore

[inland jewel]

Rpgmaker XP

[white meadow]

why is my brain able to process text into images aaaaa

i can't use my imagination to make art but it can simulate pain, whyyyyy

[inland jewel]

This game was made around 5 years ago so it used essentials like every other Pokémon game at the time

[robust geyser]

i'm an scp mod i can take it 😤 i need to advertise the website

[white meadow]

I love SCPs ngl

[inland jewel]

Nowadays there are better engines for Pokémon games

[gusty shuttle]

Someone make SCPs sprites

[red falcon]

@inland jewel it sounds like it should be remade in a new engine and just work on transfering the art over

[lusty oxide]

A few already exist

[robust geyser]

i made plenty haha (not in PFI but for fanart)

[inland jewel]

The problem is that Frogman refuses to take the time to recode everything

[lusty oxide]

Also I don’t think scp-012 works when it’s only a photo of it

[white meadow]

I made some that stayed close to the fusions tho
Nottomention made one after a request of mine too

[robust geyser]

understandable tbh

[lusty oxide]

It’s not like 096 lol

[robust geyser]

i don't understand the bottom one though

[inland jewel]

Though he said he won’t stop people from trying their hand at making a fusion game, he just doesn’t want you to use his exact code and call it Infinite Fusions

[white meadow]

Well cuz I wanted them to be able to also be main sprites I added some stuff
But the horses are meant to resemble the Poison wood foal

[robust geyser]

Pokemon Unlimited Chimerization™️

[inland jewel]

From my understanding there has been 4-5 attempts but all have failed

[red falcon]

Are all the custom sprites uh creative commons that's the hard piece really

[white meadow]

See them as Pokemon versions for the SCPs

[stuck cave]

OH NO
AN INCOMPLETE SYMPHONY

[red falcon]

I would like to make an attempt I just would need so many sprites

[crude garden]

Now his brother is alive

[robust geyser]

average goomer

[inland jewel]

You’d have to acquire permission from everyone who made sprites for this game

[red falcon]

That is a lot of people xD

[inland jewel]

And from japael who made the original autogens unless you make your own

[robust geyser]

technically a few of them made a lot

Like if you ask the first 100 most prolific spriter you could have a fair amount

[inland jewel]

Doesn’t If.Daena have a tracker of sprites by sprite

[red falcon]

I should move this over to another channel

[stuck cave]

It does

[inland jewel]

I know someone has made at least 1K

[red falcon]

Also vote for Zangoose seviper and torkoal

[normal vapor]

I hope next one is meloetta I got a few ideas

[crude garden]

Vote for goomy! Eventually I need to move all my sprites to a propaganda sheet

[white meadow]

Y do I imagine a cheap fart sound effect

[robust geyser]

it's kiwi

[white meadow]

Do one for the whole line

[lusty oxide]

(Insert fart reverb sfx here)

[white meadow]

I hope next to get in is either Noivern or Gogoat

[crude garden]

I will need to do sliggoo and goodra eventually

[red falcon]

It sounds like the sprite and pokemon handling just needs to be adjusted to load things in as needed rather than all at once.

That honestly doesn't seem like the hardest thing to accomplish in the world but I know those are famous last words

How is pokemon data stored?

I should move this out of here

[lusty oxide]

If you could prevent one Pokémon from making it into IF which one would it be?

[crude garden]

Amazing! I would say add a dragonfruit, but those are hard not in pixel art.

[red falcon]

Honestly fuck timburr

[white meadow]

Marshadow or Bruxish Imo

[white meadow]

furfrou

[white meadow]

I added Strawberrys since thats a plant that evolved to be eaten by Slugs

it's probably the only one i hate that actually has a chance

[sharp nebula]

tbh theres none that i really care enough about for that

[crude garden]

Sawk and throh probably

[inland jewel]

Each fusion has its own physical entry,

[red falcon]

@inland jewel can I talk to you in DM about this. It doesn't sound like an impossible problem

[inland jewel]

I know that when Frogman was making it. He considered making it instanced base where it only pulls up the info of the two Pokémon and combine them, but he either didn’t have the tools or he was to far in to justify reworking it to that

[inland jewel]

You can but realistically unless someone else does the work for him in making this new system he himself won’t implement it

[red falcon]

Is the code available to look at?

[inland jewel]

He said it is but I haven’t found it

[red falcon]

This doesn't seem impossible

[last knot]

legit watchog or stakataka

[white meadow]

right, watchog exists

[last knot]

i don't think it's likely to get in but i would mildly annoyed if it did

[sharp nebula]

nah it has pretty much 0 chance of getting in youre good

[red falcon]

@inland jewel It's a database with 1020100 entries and you only need to initially load in maybe a couple thousand pokemon at loading a game or starting a new game (each trainer encounter + evolutions and random pokemon) loading in the entire database is stupid in any situation as you're never going to be in a situation where you're going to need everything immediately.
And you will never be in a situation where you would need to search the entire database because all values are know

[hushed mantle]

What’s wrong with stakataka

[spice sage]

It's never loaded all at once, that would take much longer than it does now

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/watchog-pokemon-normal-groundhog-meerkat-gif-26483999

[lusty oxide]

Tbh even with gen 5 being my favorite generation I don’t really like watchog either

[white meadow]

Ngl they should have made it more Meerkat like and run on all 4

[red falcon]

@spice sage just going off what someone had said cause that's silly and I'm curious what the limitations are

[lusty oxide]

Although I do like that run

[spice sage]

But also ||I completely remade the fusions system in the next update to generate fusions dynamically. This is what's allowing me to add more Pokémon||

[white meadow]

Its how the police officer runs in that food movie

[lusty oxide]

Cool

[last knot]

( just not the biggest fan of the design, totally get why others like it, but to me it just looks like a bunch of bricks. i can see some neat fusions with it though)

[white meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/run-rush-running-fast-green-screen-policeman-gif-17842647

https://tenor.com/view/officer-police-officer-earl-earl-meme-gif-16831994

[lusty oxide]

Oh yeah i see it now

[last knot]

i just hate that he's got like a hi vis vest on???

[lusty oxide]

He is very SFW

He just needs a helmet now

[last knot]

his eyes look like looney tunes meth

[red falcon]

@spice sage so if it's dynamic now is what is causing the limit at all?

[frozen oracle]

I hope Darmanitan and Excadrill get added

they would have such fun fusions

[spice sage]

I made it dynamic precisely to remove the limit lol

[clever vigil]

Shork

[lusty oxide]

So are there any plans to add all the Pokémon that don’t make it in the vote later?
(Besides the starters)

[red falcon]

@spice sage so eventually all pokes will be in this is just the start

[spice sage]

Slow down lol. One thing at a time xd

[last knot]

yeah that makes him look cool but he doesn't look like that in game he looks like my methhead uncle Ron

[spice sage]

Technical limitations aside, y'all don't realize how much work goes into adding new Pokemon

[white meadow]

Now draw one with Noivern and Gogoat

[lusty oxide]

Yea we probably don’t

[frosty dagger]

i figured making new pokemon probably takes quite a while

[spice sage]

I can't just add everything, i ain't getting paid for this shit lmao

[lusty oxide]

I ain’t a programmer

[clever vigil]

As in Noivern/Girafarig and Gogoat/Girafarig or like Noivern/Gogoat

[white meadow]

With Sharpedo

[white meadow]

what if you start getting paid tho?

[last knot]

speaking of, do you have a donate link or anything? bc i have gotten TONS of hours of fun out of this

[clever vigil]

Ah okay

[white meadow]

totally wont get the game nuclearized by nintendo

[tranquil dust]

I think adding a donation thingy will get problematic legally

[lusty oxide]

That would probably have questionable legality

[ebon glacier]

if he did get paid, nintendo will shut the game down

[spice sage]

We can talk numbers if you want

[tranquil dust]

because that would mean getting money off of nintendo's IP

[last knot]

not if it's an unrelated donation like a ko-fi in dms or something 👀

[spice sage]

(jk btw , Nintendo would sue my ass instantaneously)

[red falcon]

@spice sage what can we do to help get the remaining pokemon added in? Just out of curiosity?

Or even other areas like gen 3/4

[spice sage]

Just continue to be an active community

[lusty oxide]

Oki can do

[white meadow]

If they would be smart they would use you for promotion since Infinite Fusion is a awesome game

[ebon glacier]

are you the only game developer for the game? just curious

[spice sage]

I wish lol

[last knot]

IF genuinely got me back into pokemon

[white meadow]

same

[spice sage]

Yeah I am, though Kurayami is helping me to get the pregen sprites for the new Pokemon this time around

[tranquil dust]

IF is the only pokemon game I still regularly play

[frosty dagger]

im sure the big burst of popularity has been helping the community thrive more

[rough hound]

=3

[last knot]

toad is a dope dev and all the spriters make it such a good community imo

[lusty oxide]

They’d probably be mad that a fan can put out a better product than them

[red falcon]

@spice sage what do I have to do specifically to take weight off you to get whismer in?

I like working with data and have down time at my job

[spice sage]

You can convince a bunch of people to vote for it in the poll

[tranquil dust]

or just create dozens of fake accounts

[gentle ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1143654413001568366/output_Ht6heS.gif

[white meadow]

I vote a 3 for 5 euros
(Jokeing)

[lusty oxide]

Note don’t actually do that

[clever vigil]

Vote shork (pls)

[gentle ferry]

It'll turn white any second now

aaaaany second

[frozen oyster]

Well paperaxe did just say they've got a downtime...

[inland jewel]

Nintendo would DM CA him so fast

[tranquil dust]

when's the next pokemon announced??

[red falcon]

Also lotad and seedot

[rough hound]

Live slug reaction fr

[tranquil dust]

bc yall act like its today or sum

[lusty oxide]

Honestly I’m just happy that we’re getting new Pokémon in IF

[stone cliff]

Next pokemon is announced next week sometime maybe

[red falcon]

@frozen oyster yeah but I'm not going to do that I have more productive things I could be doing but if I can generate data to help get pokemon in to a fan game I like I will

[frosty dagger]

honestly same

[white meadow]

Hypnotoad just confirmed you

[stone cliff]

Usually a few days after the current sprite contest

[spice sage]

We're trying to do one announcement per week

[frozen oyster]

Oh no no I was kidding about that. Besides, I could be doing the same. Same as in generating accounts. I've not a lick of programming experience.

[white meadow]

With some non Vote mons like you guys did with Scoli?

[tranquil dust]

I just assumed that Scolipede and Tyrantrum had the most votes

[stone cliff]

Just out of curiosity, are you doing an announcement for all of them, or are we eventually gonna get the last like 15 dumped in one?

[red falcon]

@tranquil dust scolipede wasn't in the votes that's a staff pick

[kindred knot]

Based staff pick

[spice sage]

I'm not allowed to say

[tranquil dust]

very based staff pick

[white meadow]

I expected that

[kindred knot]

Now we just need to get greninja in without the other 6

[hushed mantle]

I thought there wont be any staff picks anymore

[white meadow]

Are you able to say when the first get officially in aka when they are usable in game?

[spice sage]

It dpends when the update is ready tbh. If it's ready to release before we've revealed everything we'll probably do one announcement with all the rest

[white meadow]

It was

[clever vigil]

I still need to draw concepts for Sharpedo/Ivysaur, Sharpedo/Venusaur, and Sharpedo/the whole squirtle line before I have all the Kanto starters

[spice sage]

Or maybe not announce the remaining ones leave it for people to discover themselves

I haven't decided yet

[red falcon]

@white meadow ah my bad it was announced as a staff pick and removed before I saw it when I voted

[clever vigil]

I just really hope Sharpedo gets added though

[stone cliff]

Honestly I vote that one. Sounds like fun lol

[white meadow]

Btw in pretty much a week the Votes will be closed

[hushed mantle]

It would be funny if spriters started doing fusions of random mons to confuse people that don’t know which got in

[white meadow]

We already do that lol

[last knot]

but don't spriters need to know & get feedback? - i mean is there any kind of timeline or general date-ISH that you want to get them added by? doesn't have to be specific at all, but like Q1 next year, Q2, etc.?

[spice sage]

I have no idea honestly. I don't really plan that much in advance lol

It'll release once it's ready, that's all I know

[white meadow]

Secretly next month hidden in Hoenn and you only get there when you finished all quests and caught the first 420 Pokemon

[spice sage]

That being said, it will likely be before next year

[white meadow]

||Christmas gift for us would be fun even if its ready earlyer||

[spice sage]

||I mean I was thinking closer to October, but if you guys want to wait for Christmas...|| ¯⁠\\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[last knot]

oh a Halloween release would be incredible if that's even possible

[white meadow]

||12 October would be perfect than I have a awesome birthday gift ||

[hushed mantle]

Imagine if they released gourgeist

[spice sage]

Tbh I don't want to commit to a date. Development is going well atm but it's not impossible that we'll run into an issue that means it will take longer

[last knot]

i'm hoping for Trevenant over gourgeist personally but both are good

[frozen oyster]

Slurpuff gourgeist for Halloween candy!

[civic harness]

Im missing a frogman talk

[last knot]

good idea realistically

[clever vigil]

Okay, I made shark turtle

[white meadow]

Dont worry we can wait in worst case

[spice sage]

Could be October, could be next year, could be next week. Who knows ¯⁠\⁠\_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[ebon glacier]

coule be right now

[white meadow]

Next week would be hilarious
Doing everything like a new Pokemon release and than " oh we found the update with the new mons already in"

[stone cliff]

Nah just rush everything and release a broken product that gets fixed slowly over time, but never gets fully fleshed out

[civic harness]

At least it seems that they are revealed every week, but surely we won't have more of that anymore

[white meadow]

Exactly just like Game Freak

[stone cliff]

Shit I forgot this isn't a mainline game

[spice sage]

Ah, a fellow game dev I see

[white meadow]

One day Hypnotoad gets bored and adds Fakemon lol

[civic harness]

Since The Pokemon Company exists

[stone cliff]

Wannabe dev at best lol, can't stick with an engine long enough to actually do anything lmao

[civic harness]

KAKAJAJJA, if so, I would be fully ready to give ideas

[stone cliff]

Or just straight up Digimon/Yu-Gi-Oh monsters

[clever vigil]

If these two were in the game I would go crazy

[white meadow]

Nah People
He adds Donald

[clever vigil]

If only

[stone cliff]

Legendary theme plays
A wild Your Neighbor Dave appeared!

[civic harness]

And now I regret not having made the sketch of my Fakemons

[hushed mantle]

Ah yes my favorite fusion. Ash ketchum + professor oak

[lusty oxide]

Btw is the problem with adding gen 8 Pokémon just a problem with moves being removed in gen 8 or is it something else?

[stone cliff]

"Ash, I need your help. It's been my life's dream to build a wall separating Kanto and Johto, and those damned Johtoans will pay for it!"

[white meadow]

Holy

[stone cliff]

Didn't reply to the Donald comment woops lol

Imagine Separatist Oak tho

[white meadow]

Imagine fuseing Regions

[hushed mantle]

Johnto

[white meadow]

Unonoh

[hushed mantle]

Galola

[lusty oxide]

Hidea

[inland jewel]

If fusing regions allowed us to add more maps and regions to the game I’m for it

[stone cliff]

"Thousands dead after the massive geological event resulting in the overlap of the Kanto and Johto regions. The resulting landmass, which scientists are referring to as "Kanjoh", is on the brink of a civil war as its surviving inhabitants compete for food and resources"

[inland jewel]

Like if we fused all locations that had the battle tower into one

[white meadow]

Tripple region fusions

Honnva
Hoenn
Sinnoh
Unova

[cinder oasis]

Damn, a touch of darkness ig lol

Though I enjoyed playing Pokemon Reborn as hard as it was

[white meadow]

I tripple fuse Donald, Kim and Vladimir

[lusty oxide]

We already have a fused region hisui + sinnoh

[stone cliff]

Don't even get me started on the results of the economic collapse

[native nebula]

Since the Regi's are based off ages. IDK why they did not do the dark ages.

[stone cliff]

I... I never caught that. Hmm

[white meadow]

Cuz they dont want a black dark type regi

[native nebula]

?

[stone cliff]

Actually, Regidrago kinda right?

[inland jewel]

It’s implied that Regidrago is the age of fantasy/dark ages

[native nebula]

Medieval age

Or mythological

[stone cliff]

Dark ages is usually kinda synonymous with Medieval for most people I think

[tranquil dust]

there's multiple ages not represented by regis

[crude garden]

Goodness gracious, evolution makes Goomy much harder to work with

[lusty oxide]

When do we get a radioactive regi

[tranquil dust]

like age of discovery for example

[stone cliff]

Regimutus

[inland jewel]

Remember the Regis are for ages of Man, so nothing before mankind

[native nebula]

Those people would be wrong. Dark age actually refers to when there was nothing being written down in areas so we just do not know for sure what was going on.

[lusty oxide]

We gotta represent the nuclear age

[native nebula]

Dark meaning lack of information. Not dark as in bad.

[cinder oasis]

It was both anyways

[tranquil dust]

age of discovery could be a water type regi; dark type for dark ages

[cinder oasis]

Like the Renaissance? For the age of discovery

[inland jewel]

Could be flying type

[native nebula]

Renaissance was not an age.

[lusty oxide]

I wonder if they’re gonna do Regis based on ages before humanity?

[tranquil dust]

specifically from like 1418 to like mid 17th hundred

[native nebula]

Wiki is not exactly reliable and kinda more of a basic understanding of things.

[stone cliff]

And pokemon is a game made for children

[tranquil dust]

decline from roman times, yeah. The averga person still had an average life tho

for the times average, not compared to now obviously

[native nebula]

With the collapse of rome things were no longer being written down.

[tranquil dust]

exactly

[lusty oxide]

They could do a water type regi that looks like a single Celled organism

[stone cliff]

Kids know about the stone age, ice age etc, but I think the intricacies of the difference of the dark ages vs medieval times would be lost on them

[tranquil dust]

I think kids don't care about regis and ages tbh

[native nebula]

What would be the space age? 👀

[stone cliff]

Yeah tbh I had not made the connection until now lol

[tranquil dust]

psychic probably

[crude garden]

Age of sail could be the water regi

[stone cliff]

I second psychic, it's what they usually use for alien type pokemon

Nuclear age regi could be poison type lol

[native nebula]

bit of a stretch.

[lusty oxide]

I honestly don’t like that since nuclear energy always gets viewed as dangerous it’s very safe now that the process is so refined

[stone cliff]

If we're going with stuff outside of humanity, Carboniferous period would definitely be bug type

[lusty oxide]

Fire type for the start of the earth itself

[stone cliff]

Then there's modern age Regidave, the normal type that's just a guy in a suit

[tranquil dust]

modern as in today? Isn't that just Regieleki?

[lethal roost]

vote for trevenant or no dryad fusion (im in agony making this)

[stone cliff]

Yeah, just a joke lol

Either way, long as it goes ÜNÜNÜN, [Screaming Geometrically] or Transformer Noises, it's a good regi in my book

[crude garden]

I need to do goodra, too. I think he'll look cool with gems for neck spots

[tranquil dust]

shoe me Espeon/Goodra then

[spice badge]

who is he fused with

[tranquil dust]

Espeon

[spice badge]

cool

[crude garden]

I have Umbreon too

[lusty oxide]

Eeveelutions truly are the best fusion material

[spice badge]

sick

i think leafeon would be easy to make just give goomy the leaf tail and ears or smth

[crude garden]

I would probably turn the two big antennas into leaves as well

[spice badge]

yeah thats cool

[cobalt nebula]

You could also do hypothetical ages. Fairy for like myth, ghost for like an age where all life passes, etc

[lone dome]

Lizard friend!

[cobalt nebula]

Here’s The normal type regi. The embodiment of normality.

[gusty shuttle]

Normal type regi

[cobalt nebula]

I think a true material for a normal type regi though would be like maybe cloth?

Regidrago is literally draconic energy though so it can be abstract

[gusty shuttle]

We should first define what is a normal type and what is a Regi

[spice badge]

would be funny if it was just like a paper

[lusty oxide]

But isn’t regigigas the normal type regi?

[cobalt nebula]

Regi is a being created by Regigigas. It doesn’t necessarily have to be direct though. For example I run a Pokémon rp and in that I use the idea of an unfinished body being abandoned and then found by an ancient hive of bug type Pokémon that use it as their nest, piloting the empty shell.

[lusty oxide]

Damn that’s a cool idea

[cobalt nebula]

I mean I guess?

[lusty oxide]

Sorta maybe a little bit

[spice badge]

kinda dissapointed that porygon and aegislash isnt a minecraft sword

[red falcon]

@lethal roost the eyes make it look more insect like

[cinder oasis]

It is bruh

[spice badge]

honedge is

aegislash is some weird prizm

[spice badge]

mines not like that

thats cool tho thx

[lusty oxide]

You sure you’re using porygonZ

[cobalt nebula]

Mag cargo + Registeel

[gusty shuttle]

Normal type is such a weird type ironically
It would make sense if it was a non-type, meaning that a normal type pokémon is just a pokémon that doesn't have any type
But then you get normal/flying
So is a normal type pokémon really just a Pokémon that heavily resemble a being of our world? Like Rattata being very close to our world's rats and pidgey to a common bird

[lethal roost]

for what? my fusion?

[cobalt nebula]

This is literally a flamingo and it’s not normal

[gusty shuttle]

Exactly, there are examples like this that disprove the second hypothesis

[lusty oxide]

Excuse you he is my amigo

[lethal roost]

i think Normal is kind of like "non-elemental" rather than not a type altogether

[red falcon]

@lethal roost yeah the dryad thing

[lethal roost]

that's just what trevenant's eye looks like idk what to say about that

trevenant just happens to have the same eye as kabuto?

[gusty shuttle]

Mhhh that makes sense as of now

[rancid lily]

I am blaquaza vote for spheal 😄

Listen to your mods and also vote for the regis 👍

[lethal roost]

no way the real blaquaza

[rancid lily]

Yes I am...you dare question me? 😠

[red falcon]

It seems kinda like a recolored gardevoir what is it really getting from trevenant is trevenant the head or body in your fusion? @lethal roost

[gusty shuttle]

Who's Blaquaza

[rancid lily]

Go to my user profile and check 😆

[gusty shuttle]

"Definitely not an alt because my account got hacked or something" is the only thing I read

[rancid lily]

Your lord and savior blaquaza commands you

I have exactly blaquaza's user profile 😅

[cobalt nebula]

I would change it back. I don’t know if there’s a rule against impersonating staff but no funny joke is worth getting banned

[tame flax]

@sterile spoke

[rancid lily]

Wdym its just a joke

[cobalt nebula]

I know it is.

[lusty oxide]

I think impersonating staff is a VERY bad idea

[rancid lily]

Imma check rules real quick

[lethal roost]

trevenant is the head? i don't see how it would be unclear that trevenant is the head, especially on the version that doesn't have the tree in the background

also, making it look less like gardevoir is why it's a WIP #1143664708008804454

[rancid lily]

I see nothing check #rules if u dont believe me

Blaquaza's the goat tho so he wont mind 🙂

[lethal roost]

oh

[lusty oxide]

I think not impersonating staff should be common sense

[rancid lily]

I agree with that statement...and im blaquaza!

[lethal roost]

thats just insurgence

[gusty shuttle]

I agree

[rancid lily]

Ok fine I'll change it back... 😦

[lethal roost]

i mean banger sprite but that is just a thing that happens in insurgence

[tame flax]

Let's ask an <@&306953740651462656>

[cobalt nebula]

Yes

[lethal roost]

fair

[drifting mason]

It would be more ideal to not do that I suppose, yes

[red falcon]

@lethal roost it seems very much like gardevoir aside from the eye and the colouring. The sprite is cool it's just too much gardevoir, not enough trevenant you know and that's only my opinion I'm offering feedback on what you posted

[rancid lily]

I am no longer blaquaza 😦

My powers are now fading away

[tame flax]

You forgot your name

[rancid lily]

Oopsy

[kind forum]

[rancid lily]

Dont ask what happned ok?

[lusty oxide]

There was a bit of impersonation going on

[cinder oasis]

He can scroll up and read it

[rancid lily]

true

[gusty shuttle]

Trevenant is quite sharp-shaped while the fusion is more soft, maybe that's the problem

[lethal roost]

yeah i was trying to make the dress look like Trevenant's legs but stopped because i suck at redrawing anything longer than like 3 pixels lmao

[flat crypt]

man I love druddgion

[gusty shuttle]

Who doesn't mate

[flat crypt]

apparently alot of people dislike druddgion

[gusty shuttle]

Bad people, tax evaders probably

[tame flax]

What does he offer?

[flat crypt]

fair

[red falcon]

@lethal roost try stripping the flowy ness and emphasize the fact that it's a tree lady. Have more root like leggy bits while still being definitely legs

[lusty oxide]

But Druddgion can play baseball

[rancid lily]

it deserves an evo

Oh wait

[cinder oasis]

For some goofy ass reason duralodon gets one even though he has 535 bst

[rancid lily]

Yeah ik the same'll happen with drugigon

*Druddigon definitely made a typo there

[earnest mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-evolve-rockruff-lycanroc-gif-16420675

[cinder oasis]

I hate these evolution animations it just looks so uncomfortable

[lethal roost]

fuckin uhhh meme shit where i make her legs literally trevenant's while i solve the dress issue

[native nebula]

Man this would be a good add.

[flat crypt]

ok that looks suPer cool

[outer matrix]

Anyone got any ideas for a ghost type meloetta fusion?

[lethal roost]

Misdreavus?

[flat crypt]

theres a fusion calculator on the internet but theres also another one that I forgot the link for could someone send it

[flat crypt]

chandelure

[lethal roost]

if.daena.me?

[steep glen]

Whatever fusion makes her an oppra singer

[cinder oasis]

Jynx

[flat crypt]

that was just what I was looking for

[vast portal]

Please vote for Lilligant.

[flat crypt]

I'm sorry but I gotta vote for druddgion

[cinder oasis]

Some of these points are repeats of others in the same propaganda and you spelt Elegant wrong

[outer matrix]

should also add

• has a regional variant that pairs well with fighting type fusions

[lethal roost]

the regional variant references might get alted sadly

but H-Lilligant is pretty cool

[cinder oasis]

Regionals are usually alted so yeah, most if not all would be alts

[outer matrix]

Okay that makes sense

[gusty shuttle]

Lilligant/Roserade = Grass Batman

Look guys Pokémon IF released on Steam!!! poggers pogchamp pog

Vote for Infinite Fusion on Steam

Screw Nintendo

[red falcon]

@lethal roost that's better what if instead of taking just trevenants legs you take two of them and use that as a base to make new legs for her

[sudden goblet]

Got my support

[red falcon]

Horrifying good bye to a great game when Nintendo sees that

[lethal roost]

i'd need to heavily resize trevenant's legs because this custom base has a different dress but ill see

[red falcon]

@lethal roost you understand what I'm getting at though right

[lethal roost]

yeah i see that

[red falcon]

@lethal roost talking about this kinda made me want to try my hand at sprinting something

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

and her manager

[outer matrix]

Gonna drop this idea here before I go again but: tyranatrum/meloetta = intense rock music with a bone mic

or for any fossil mon, I think that a tyranatrum one would look cooler in my opinion

[tropic nacelle]

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sVJOBEDZs1XKA_WoIFI3Pft-xZA_HO5gCy-gTdusd1Y/edit?usp=sharing

[crude garden]

What color should I make goodras goo?

[hushed mantle]

red or blue

[grand hull]

Make it like the crystal color

[tranquil dust]

^

[crude garden]

I was thinking the red, but I also considered psychic power purple but I was afraid it clash with the rest of the purple

[lethal roost]

looks like jelly, yum

[crude garden]

I'm gonna thicken up the tail some

[rough hound]

i couldnt pick just one yall

[earnest mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-rockruff-feed-cute-gif-16420674

[lone dome]

The right Croagunk's pupils are too dilated

[rough hound]

it looked weird if i didnt 😭

[naive cobalt]

croagunk should look derpy

[lone dome]

Hmm maybe make the eyes smaller then make the pupils not dilated

[rough hound]

😭

[lone dome]

That looks better

[viscid mica]

high frog

its poison type because of all the drugs it consumes

[rough hound]

boutta drop the hottest track this side of kanto

[lone dome]

[grand hull]

i hate crogunk, now dont get me wrong it would be a great mon for this game fusion idea wise but i just dont like it

[rough hound]

why not?

[gentle ferry]

That's a great sprite

[rough hound]

thanks lol, as always tho it was based off a card. the fact that this is a real TCG card gives me immense joy tho

[white meadow]

He looks like he is about to spit the nastiest of bars

[rough hound]

thats because he is

[crude garden]

He's the realest

[crude garden]

Vote Goodra

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-goodra-roll-cute-drawing-gif-17858003

[grand hull]

it looks funny

[rough hound]

Hes a goofy little guy, a silly lil dude, and hes great because of it

[grand hull]

dont like its chin poison bubble thingy

[rough hound]

wait, do you mean croagunk or toxicroak

[grand hull]

toxicroak

[rough hound]

its actually a trait on many irl animals, and it doesnt even stop at frogs. but youre entitled to not like it

[grand hull]

like i said great fusion potential i just personally dont like it to much

[fast ruin]

Toxicroak is a fighting type and as such I must support it at least a little

(We need more fighting types)

[grand hull]

i personally think we have enough (i hope im not contradicting myself like i did with regirock)

[kindred knot]

Not enough

But I suppose mianshao more

[fast ruin]

Fair, I actually root for conkeldurrs line, because guts is fun

That and you could make something out of their different materials.

[rough hound]

yeah, definitely untapped potential there. gets a high 2 from me

[fast ruin]

That's the same rating as mine :)

[hard kiln]

someone put a list of what we have type wise. the dominating type is water.

found it. Tada 😄 courtesy of Blaquaza.

[fast ruin]

Dang we need more fairies.

[fast ruin]

And more dark.

which is why you should vote for Xerneas/Yveltal

[hard kiln]

we have as much water types as we do fighting dark and fairy types combined xD

[native nebula]

gen 3 fossil mons are kinda sus.

[hard kiln]

Armaldo and Cradilly? They are awesome.

[lethal roost]

anorith has googly eyes though

[fast ruin]

I'm kinda fine with ice being last place since ice sucks and giving a fusion the ice type feels like deliberately nerfing your mon.

[native nebula]

One line looks like plants with .... and the other looks like they have bloody blades on them.

[lethal roost]

stab ice beam though

[hard kiln]

ice has it's niches, and alot of fans. ice works well with few types, but we aren't here for effectiveness. we are here for style. and ice provides some fun pixel concepts 😄

plus, being frozen is the most devastating status effect.

[fast ruin]

Nah, sleep is way worse

[hard kiln]

nah, it's easier to wake from sleep. for frozen, you're stuck there til you thaw. you can at least attack while sleeping.

[fast ruin]

You can actually thaw yourself and instantly end frozen by using almost any fire type move.

[hard kiln]

now, yeah. back in the day, that was a big no.

they had to nerf being frozen.

[lethal roost]

sleep is more accessible, being frozen is always only a chance

[fast ruin]

But I'd argue being able to guarantee at least one free turn by spore-ing some mf is some of the most broken stuff you can do.

[hard kiln]

also, to be unfrozen, you have to have a fire move used on you to have a better chance of ending early, not you using a fire move. and there's nothing else you can do while frozen. you can snore and sleep talk while asleep.

[lethal roost]

yeah this game literally has Prankster Spore I don't know how relevant Freeze is here

the main reason to be Ice-type is for its excellent offensive typing

[fast ruin]

Ice as an offensive type is amazing

[hard kiln]

freeze is very relevant when it can still land, and i have had it land many times on me. its not a guarantee, but that's why it's such a hard CC status effect.

[fast ruin]

But man, the weaknesses...

[hard kiln]

And considering how jank you can build things, serene grace ice beam is terrifying.

[fast ruin]

I raise you serene grace air slash with a paralyzed opponent.

[hard kiln]

there's a reason it's only a 10% chance to freeze something max. because the frozen debuff is just that jank.

[lethal roost]

i was going to say "why not both" but Articuno didn't get Air Slash access until SwSh

[hard kiln]

electric pokemon cannot be paralyzed. ice pokemon cannot be frozen. far fewer ice than electric, ice isn't commonly used, frozen is hard to land but when it does you're more than likely done for. paralysis with flinching is 2 things you have to do to meet the effectiveness of something just being frozen.

[fast ruin]

But paralyzing something isn't hard.
At all.

[floral igloo]

Add runerigus

[lethal roost]

god i wish

[hard kiln]

which is why its so hard to freeze something, since it's 1 thing that is as effective as constant para flinching, and you can do other things while something is frozen. if it's paralyzed, you're gonna focus on making it flinch. that's alot of work to match up to something just being frozen.

they gave the most fragile glass cannon type the best, hardest to land status debuff. sounds about right xD

It could be worse. In gen 1, if you were frozen, you were frozen until an ice heal was used on you. period. no getting thawed or anything, if there was no ice heal or if it was a link battle, you're boned. or a pokemon center

[lethal roost]

just have scald then

[hard kiln]

you gonna waste an attack slot on a move made specifically to counter an unreliable status effect? I know slowbro would. xD

[lethal roost]

scald isn't exactly uncommon and it's never a waste

[rough hound]

i have sprited some goofy lil guys for your viewing pleasure

[fast ruin]

I really wouldn't say best.
It would be the best if you could consistently cause it, but as it is now, it's nothing you can play around. It's just nice if it happens and will probably win you stuff you wouldn't otherwise, but Spore being just 1-3 free turns you can cause consistently is just... yeah.

[hard kiln]

yeah, they nerfed freezing alot over the years. i'm from the era of 'if frozen, no unfreezing til ice heal or pokemon center'.

And scald is very useful. though i only remember people running it on things like slowbro.

[fast ruin]

Fun fact: Sleep is so broken, they had to nerf its maximum duration like... four times.

[hard kiln]

well they did nerf it alot over the years. as to be expected. just the natural state of things. it's safer now to be frozen than before, at least we have ways out of it now.

[lethal roost]

scald was so widespread they had to nerf its distribution in SV to only Volcanion

like i said earlier, ice is an amazing offensive typing and that's the real reason you'd ever want it

[hard kiln]

i never felt sleep was broken. if you still have a chance to act, it's less broken and more a mild inconvenience. sleep talk and snore effectively. but i think those are the only two aside from abilities.

[lethal roost]

also it gets into weird debates about "would Lapras actually be better if it weren't Ice type"

[hard kiln]

plus, wehn you wake from sleep, you act on the spot. unlike before, when waking up took your turn xD

[lethal roost]

i don't really think so but it's a really long one for sure

[lethal roost]

thawing doesn't take the turn anymore either

[hard kiln]

water really does help the ice type. what other types work well with the ice type? it's good offensively, and it has some niche effectiveness for common types.

[fast ruin]

From 7 to 6 in gen 2.
From 6 to 5 in gen 3
From 5 to 3 in gen 5
And in gen 6 the sleep counter is no longer reset after switching out.

And even after all these nerfs, spore and sleep powder are still omnipresent menaces in competetive play that you have to build arround.

[hard kiln]

yeah, things are much different from when i started xD

gen 1: frozen? no ice heal? guess i'll die.
gen 2: hope it's sunny, small chance to be free, otherwise guess i'll die.
gen 3 to 7: same as 2
gen 8: i have a way out of being frozen? FINALLY!~

[lethal roost]

Ice/Ground is a nutty offensive typing on something faster than mamoswine

[fast ruin]

yeah, I made one and it completely demolished the elite 4

[hard kiln]

back when only 4 moves could free yourself from being frozen, and there was no limit to how long you were frozen xD

yeah, being frozen used to be a death sentence.

[lethal roost]

Ice/Psychic is pretty good too but that's more because Jynx is one of the best Ice-type mons in terms of having a decently fast offensive statline

Dragon/Ice is pretty damn good offensively too

[hard kiln]

thank goodness for nerfing frozen, but in doing so they nerfed it too much. it was the hardest CC to land, and it was the hardest CC to break free of, FOR A REASON.

[fast ruin]

Friendly reminder that spore still exists to this day and still has 100% accuracy.

[hard kiln]

i used to get frozen as often as i got crit.

my luck is so horrible, 1 of every 3 hits was a crit on me. that should tell you something.

[lethal roost]

Electric/Ice is STAB BoltBeam as well

[hard kiln]

if they gave anything even 50% chance to freeze, it would always be used and so overpowered. that's why freezing is tied to hard hitting moves in the first place. it maxes out at 30% i think, but only 1 move has a 30% freeze chance. the rest are 10%.

the meta would shift so hard to everyone having a backup against freeze if freeze was even a 40% chance on a hit that can be used by anyone with serene grace.

[fast ruin]

Once on the ladder, my opponent got three succesive ancient power boosts on me.

I was up 4 to 1 and this was the only reason why I lost. I can tell you, I was M A L D I N G after this.

[lethal roost]

secretpower got dexited 😔

[hard kiln]

luck buddy. i feel you. we may have bad luck, but we are still great trainers!

[hard kiln]

OH. then 10% is the highest O:

[fast ruin]

I used to think blizzard was 30% to compensate for its shitty accuracy.

[lethal roost]

its in this game though i will point out that secretpower is terrain-based and wouldn't be Freeze all the time

[hard kiln]

sadness.

[fast ruin]

Nope, 10%. Screw blizzard.

[lethal roost]

i mean it was 30% in the Japanese gen 1 games

[hard kiln]

it is also 10%. im not sure if it got buffs or nerfs, but i do know it don't miss in hail.

[lethal roost]

i wonder why they nerfed it. surely it would never be because of how busted freeze was that gen

[lethal roost]

my "w" key is broken now but i wanna see some slug heads

(i have to copypaste it)

[gentle ferry]

I think the last two on that graphic technically are

I also have this:

I'll look into spriting some Gastro fusions with it as the head though after my next project of Gastrodon/Gastrodon. Any mons you got in mind?

[hushed mantle]

i did the @hard kiln challenge

[lethal roost]

mew? little dude

my w key is back

[gentle ferry]

I could see that working well ye, I'll keep it in mind.

[hard kiln]

remember when i said 'if you didn't ice heal, guess you're just dead'? That was NOT an exaggeration.
As of gen 7:

only the fire moves (flare blitz, flame wheel, sacred fire, and fusion flame) and things like heal bell could save you (of which, outside of specific fire moves, there were 3 other moves that could save you. heal bell, aromatherapy, and rest). there is nothing else you can do while frozen except wait.

you have a 20% chance to unfreeze each turn. this is not cumulative, which means you could be frozen indefinitely if luck was not on your side

there are few things immune to the debuff, and they are all ice types.

[gentle ferry]

Still trying to polish my contest entry and spriter application sprites a bit tonight but may get to it tommorow if Gastro/Gastro isn't tough.

[hard kiln]

I LOVE IT! YES YES YES! It's great! Thank you Nasho!

[hard kiln]

with these as factors, in gen 7, freeze usually meant the end.

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

[lethal roost]

yeah I'm a massive nerd i'm aware 👍

it's just more likely in this game that something might have access to one of the moves that can save itself, or at the very least you'd have something in the back to switch to. unlike spore, the second mon isn't guaranteed to get frozen as well

[hard kiln]

7 specific moves that can save someone from ice. of the 7, only 2 are common. flame wheel and flare blitz. it's alot less likely than we think xD

Okay, 3. alot of people run rest.

[lethal roost]

no scald also has an insane spread?

im pretty sure every water type, or at least a very solid chunk of them, have access to it

[lethal roost]

yeah, but rest doesn't really prevent sleep, if you get slept you're slept either way. this would only be true if a lot of people ran Sleep Talk or Snore, which don't always apply

[crude garden]

Yeah generally speaking of you run snore or sleep talk you have a way to put yourself to sleep, rather than relying on your opponent to do it to you.

[hard kiln]

i stand corrected. 8 moves, including scald. 😄

[hard kiln]

nothing prevents rest xD except already being asleep. but if you're running rest, you're usually carrying the wake up berry anyway or you are packin' sleep talk and/or snore.

[rough hound]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-croagunk-king-throne-gif-16367260035413576996

i found this and wanted to share

[hard kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-away-slowly-croagunk-pokemon-gif-15434156

[rough hound]

https://tenor.com/view/croagunk-pokemon-run-running-gif-16717863

btw my awesome musician friend confirmed that he'd collab with this guy, so be prepared for them to drop some bars lmao

[hard kiln]

i want a team of croagunk, scraggy, and pancham

[restive halo]

When you really look at this long neck boi, there's tons of things to work with for fusion design potential. Auroras, the gems on its body, the color palette, the NECC, and so on.

Exhibit A on why it should be added: Aurorus + Stantler = this potentially.

[cinder oasis]

Nuh uh

[white meadow]

He is quite silly

[frozen oyster]

and also Berserk ability, and a really good special movepool

[hard kiln]

I can see the chinese dragons already. so much potential for Drampa.

[frozen oyster]

his body type is also pretty unique, so you could get some different looking fusions. Long necks and eastern style dragons!

[frozen oyster]

beat me too it lmao

[minor mason]

honestly yeah

chinese dragons are surprisingly easy to draw if you have a reference

I think it'd be like sableye in the sense that anyone can make a drampa fusion

[white meadow]

Gyarados and drampa fusion

[minor mason]

thats why sableye got so many sprites because everyone could make a sableye sprite

low skill floor high skill ceiling

[frozen oyster]

Slurpuff I feel like is in the same boat. easier color pallete, and simpler shape, but opens the door to anything dessert related to the other mon

[minor mason]

thats true honestly

[frozen oyster]

IE, Swirlix + Teddiursa would be a Honey Dipper

[minor mason]

I think sableye should be what people think of for a good addition to the game cause people got so creative with the idea of a greedy purple goblin

[frozen oyster]

My name says Exploud, but Ive been repping for Drampa and Slurpuff for a while too lol

[white meadow]

Beautiful

Rayquaza would look dope too

[hard kiln]

mm, alcremie

[frozen oyster]

Alcremie is gen 8 though sadly.

unfortunate because Alcremie had okayish stats with a decent movepool that could have been good for fusions for the same reason as slurpuff. Alcremie was just more Sp attacks, while Slurpuff is more physical because of its unburden and belly drum, but not the only thing it has.

[white meadow]

We need this

[frozen oyster]

I attempted a zoroark fusion with drampa last week, because I figured the fluff on the 2 would coincide pretty well

there was an attempt lmao!

[hard kiln]

the 'chill' camp councelor that's always in the room full of smoke when on break.

[frozen oyster]

yeah but has that one case a few years back that people know he burned that house down, but can't get enough evidence to link him

[hard kiln]

dramoark: And I'd do it again, too.

[frozen oyster]

if Drampa gets in, I wonder if they'll keep its typing as Normal Dragon or flip it for Dragon Normal for fusions

[hard kiln]

nah, i prefer the normal dragon. dragon sub type opens up more opportunities.

[frozen oyster]

yeah. Plus, the fluff does scream Normal type.

[white meadow]

Tyrantrum could be interesting if fused with drampa

[frozen oyster]

Tyrantrum with twice the fluff and teal colored

[white meadow]

Yes

[left plover]

medicham underrated sadly

[kind cape]

Bobbert

[kind cape]

He name jark

[flat crypt]

I was gonna vote EVERY SINGLE ONE but I stopped after realizing the monumental task that would take

[left plover]

medicham >

[flat crypt]

I just want the Lego dragon in the game

[white meadow]

Big boy

[frozen oyster]

that said, the stats for Tyrantrum and Drampa kind of mirror each other, so itd probably average out to around 90-100 for attack and sp attack with some bulk.

[frozen oyster]

ah, then again with the choice of Strong Jaw or Berserk, you could choose either to have Physical or Special

[kind cape]

Add him as a fusion of 2 grade gardovor and the tiny dude for machamp dude

[fringe star]

How do I cast my vote? Just the guerrilla poll in the pins, or is there a different place to vote?

[final forge]

There's a vote somewhere in #announcements

[fringe star]

Oh cool, thank you friend

[flat crypt]

Also druddion, vote druddion

[final forge]

Np

[flat crypt]

vote druddion along with whichever Pokémon you were gonna vote

[final forge]

Finally drampa propaganda

[flat crypt]

Oh heck yea

[flat crypt]

Hey what program did you use for your propaganda

[final forge]

I didn't make the one I sent

[flat crypt]

I need to make some of my own for druddion

[flat crypt]

Ok

[minor mason]

I just used my art program

I made it in like 5 seconds lol

[flat crypt]

I’m gonna use google slides so I can use silly things

[minor mason]

based

[final forge]

Fr

[flat crypt]

Yea also druddion looks silly and like it could eat you in one bite if it was hungry

[minor mason]

he's pretty cool

[final forge]

One of the most underrated dragons for sure

[minor mason]

idk what you'd do with him for fusions though

[flat crypt]

Beeg dragon fusions

There’s a lack of dragon Pokémon in infinite fusion besides Charisse’s and dragonite

[minor mason]

I mean yeah but there's a lot of dragons already

[flat crypt]

I completely forgot the other dragon Pokémon I’m gonna be real

Also druddion looks like Lego and I find that kinda funny

And druddion just looks cool

[minor mason]

garchomp, charizard, dragonite, salamance, aggron, and tyranitar all work

[flat crypt]

Let’s add another though that’s only 6

[minor mason]

the last two don't have wings but it's still the same idea

[flat crypt]

Plus druddion looks different from those

[minor mason]

I guess but druddigon is kinda basic

[flat crypt]

Fair I just really like druddion

[minor mason]

yeah he's a cool mon I just don't see the fusion potential personally

I mean people always surprise me with their ideas but idk

[flat crypt]

Put em with a rotom and get a Lego Pokémon

[minor mason]

true

[flat crypt]

I got nothing but I’m gonna make more fusion ideas cause I wanna convince people to vote druddion

[flat crypt]

Noivern is based

[minor mason]

two propagandas in one?

[flat crypt]

I leav

[frozen oyster]

While I respect noivern and noibat is adorable; I wanna get exploud putting me at odds...

[minor mason]

also yeah noivern I can get behind because it's a unique design that people can get creative with

[minor mason]

honestly lowkey theres a lot you can do with exploud

make any pokemon LOUD 🗣️🗣️

I would wanna see like exploud and sunkern where it's just this little ball screaming

[hard kiln]

i did xD

[minor mason]

same here, it honestly doesn't take that long

[frozen oyster]

Oh I'm aware!!
Blastoise can draw in water and fire it, there's monster hunter fusions you can make like Shara Ishvalda and nibbelsnarf

The big mouth and tusks add a oni look potentially,

Did a sketch a couple days ago of Ecploud Gengar that's just a base boosted Jumpscare.

Reuiniclus could be popping out the mouth to scream lmao

[minor mason]

yeah exploud would be funny

[paper pasture]

I noticed druddigon discourse without me

Druddigon is baefy

[fringe star]

I need to get to work on some Torkoal propaganda

[paper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/pokmon-kill-me-im-out-gif-18142494

[frozen oyster]

Funfact. Exploud whistles to communicate so it doesn't hurt people's ears. It's adorable.

[paper pasture]

Aww that is cute

[frozen oyster]

"That's a tortoise. They can't swim."

[hard kiln]

i just want exploud to be another rocker motif, only it makes pokemon the lead singer in an all metal band when fused with a steel type.

[paper pasture]

He's alright

[hard kiln]

i want the Mizutsune so bad.

[frozen oyster]

What IS the context for that clip lmao

[paper pasture]

I have no clue lmfaao

[frozen oyster]

Drampa milotic?

[hard kiln]

i recall 2 people who put in for the voting contest. And both were beautiful ❤️

[minor mason]

lmao yeah

[frozen oyster]

Actually nah, zoroark/ Milotic would probably make sense too.

[hard kiln]

perfect

[hard kiln]

oh snap, if we get Walrein, we can make the BARIOTH!

[hot grove]

I could have sworn we already have mizutsune and barioth fusions

[hard kiln]

oh. o3o

[sharp sphinx]

more justified barioth though

also sand seal

[prisma willow]

I once again ask people to vote for Lurantis and Liligant

[hot grove]

yea its Ninetales/Milotic and Raikou/Gliscor

[hard kiln]

ursaring + forretress
should make the Azuros

[hard kiln]

oh. huh, nice.

[sharp sphinx]

feels more xerneas

[sharp sphinx]

neither of those are new mons

[hard kiln]

since barioth is white, we can have walrein raikou be the white barioth.

[hard kiln]

good point. carry on xD

[hard kiln]

i'm just imagining which monster hunter fusions can come from the new options.

[sharp sphinx]

sharpedo for zamtrios

[prisma willow]

Hm... would Meloetta be a post-game legendary?

[lethal roost]

Tyrantrum brought a solid portion of the Brute Wyverns with him

[hot grove]

depends on where the devs intend to implement em

[lethal roost]

Tyrantrum/Seviper could be Glavenus but I'm sure there's a swordmon that works better

[hot grove]

theres already like 2 glavenus fusions in the current tyrantrum contest lol

[sharp sphinx]

that one coral highlands one in world

[hot grove]

legiana?

[sharp sphinx]

ye

[lethal roost]

Skarmory/Noivern feels like a Seregios, I was gonna do it after my dryad gardevoir

[hardy timber]

Oh maybe Tyrantrum/Seviper could make Acidic Glavenus from Monster Hunter World Iceborne

[lethal roost]

Pyroar would bring along Teostra/Lunastra

[sharp sphinx]

solgaleo's prob doing that anyways

[lethal roost]

i mean yeah

pyroar does it better

[wild trail]

Wait no love for the Haunted Anchor? In the end of the Anime it literally sings a pirates life for me.

[lethal roost]

I guess you might be able to get a Seltas/Seltas Queen out of Vikavolt but I'm sure we already have mons that can do that

[sharp sphinx]

yveltal'd help make a great gore magala

[lethal roost]

no a lot of people actually really want dhelmise

Gogoat is not a ram but you might be able to wiggle a Duramboros reference out of it

also the fuckin uhhh sawsbuck can make kelbi but that seems mildly uninteresting compared to anything else sawsbuck can do (and we have stantler)

[frozen oyster]

I do miss helicopter cow. Maybe next Gen.

Monster hunter! Duramboros is a large herbivore that has a massive weight on the end of its tail it uses to smash down trees. In the games it uses moment from the tail to just SPIIIIIIIN. Hits hard.

[lethal roost]

it goes wheeeeeee

[frozen oyster]

Diggersby with an ice type could make Lagombi. Love that Bun. Favorite monster

[lethal roost]

yeah we would need a bigger bun

lagombi sounds like a beartic/rabbit mon personally

[wild trail]

Wait what about an Ahtal-ka reference using Cofagrigus and either Spinarak or Ariados?

[lethal roost]

those are in the game but true 👍

[frozen oyster]

Diggersby would be a fun addition, essentially just lopunny but for dad bods lmao.

[wild trail]

Oh if not in game then Spinarak and Doraladon could work.

[lethal roost]

ahtal-ka also looks more like a Scyther than a spider though but that might just be me

[toxic dock]

i wonder if they are waiting to close the poll to just do the rest pokemon that got in a single go

[prisma willow]

Wait. Doesn't a lady in Celedon have a Petill?

[frozen oyster]

Would Drampa and Reshiram make White Fatalis?

[toxic dock]

yes she does

but you cant get said petili (not actually obtainable)

[lethal roost]

probly

[hardy timber]

I just realized that Ludicolo, if it's added, could potentially make Tetranodon if fused with Snorlax.

[hard kiln]

ooh, a tyrantrum contest? Where!?

[pure flower]

wait

[hot grove]

#event-announcements

[pure flower]

There's two pokemon that are in the game, but aren't actually catchable?

[hot grove]

probably

i wonder what pokemon could make a Gogmazios

[hardy timber]

I know that there is a minccino in the cycling road entrance outside of celadon next to Bianca.

[pure flower]

Honestly. They should add all four of those pokemon to the game proper tbh

like seperate of the poll. They exist in the game and are used as npcs yet are unobtainable

[hushed mantle]

made a hoopa propaganda banner

[hard kiln]

loving it

[hard kiln]

nice

[hot grove]

You should add him

[hushed mantle]

[sturdy breach]

mornin

[flat elk]

i love the fusions of competing pokemon like this

[steep glen]

Ok that Cofagrigus looks great other than the clown hair

[flat elk]

who is the other pokemon for that?

[sharp sphinx]

carvanah

[flat elk]

ooooh ok