pif-hoenn-discussion

[paper pasture]

Wrong, I will actively stop all creative people if Vaniluxe is voted

[last knot]

i'm gonna start referring to parents as kids' owners

[white meadow]

what a cutie patotie ❤️

[paper pasture]

I will erase vanilluxe from history like sulla did to his brother

[rough hound]

so much material for spriters to work with, and even more on the way. be sure to vote Dragicroadon to make sure everyone can take advantage of the multitude of base sprites being produced (as well as all their great design aspects and cool vibes =3 )

i know those are base gastrodons, im workin on it

[hot grove]

I wanna make meloetta sprites of my own so i can get more people to vote for them

But idk how to sprite so i cant really do much here

[frozen oyster]

It's why I don't like the argument for "it won't make creative stuff" when like, look at this goober. It's adorable and considered one of the most boring mons

[naive cobalt]

wtf did vanilluxe do to you

[paper pasture]

Existed

[zinc cave]

aromatisse on its own sucks but it has massive fusion potential

[cinder oasis]

It applies for certain mons

[last knot]

i do think if a mon has zero comp viability, its cuteness/fusion potential will have to pull a lot of weight

[rough hound]

if we got that galarian aromatisse the mon would actually be redeemable ngl

[lethal roost]

remember kids

[frozen oyster]

Yeah that's true. Being able to be creative for 1 type vs the literal thousands of fusions is another

[hot grove]

I gave gogoat a 2
I dont feel much for it but its not bad

[paper pasture]

Mfw there's no objective moral code except vote gogoat

[lethal roost]

i mean of course

[zinc cave]

aromatisse had so much potential to evolve into something cool but its just boring on its own, making it the perfect pokemon to fuse with something

[cinder oasis]

I mostly want good ability, good design and good viability

[cinder oasis]

I hate aromatisse, I'd prefer slurpuff

[zinc cave]

yeh cuz aromatisse on its own sucks, in fusions its great

[lethal roost]

yeah the only minus to goat in that respect is that its signature ability is... eh?
it's 1.5x defense on grass terrain but i dont know if there's grass terrain setters

[thorny ferry]

vote for bruxish for more quality content

[rough hound]

idk man, its a puffball with a mask. it has exactly one semi-unique thing going for it. like, what else can it do?

[paper pasture]

Cuteness is all the matters imo but rough skin, regenerator, or magic guard have never done me wrong

[cinder oasis]

There's none as only the tapus and rillaboom do I think

[hot grove]

The only pokemon with Grassy Surge are a gen 8 starter and a Tapu iirc

[lethal roost]

but we just found out the worst pokemon of all time got snow warning. there's a chance.

[hot grove]

You just rickrolled me
Giving it a 0 smh

[paper pasture]

Tapu bulu target number two after vanilluxe

[thorny ferry]

I'll never let you down

[hot grove]

Delibird is funny though
Phione on the other hand ,,,,,

[paper pasture]

Delibird is so charming

[lethal roost]

nvm my dreams are crushed

[cinder oasis]

Ninetales has drought too which I didn't know, but I know the terrain won't be in unless tapus are

[zinc cave]

plague doctors are fun design wise, its whole design is because they put perfumes and herbs in their masks because they believe it stopped the disease from infectinig them, conceptually aromatisse is awesome

[lethal roost]

well ninetales has had drought as its HA since BW so that's not nearly as weird

[thorny ferry]

are you guys saying the tapus should be in or am I reading it all wrong?

[last knot]

the idea aromatisse is based on is neat, but i personally think the excecution is....not good

[lethal roost]

god no. no amount of terrain abuse is worth that.

[crude garden]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-pokemon-ice-cream-gif-24661454

[lethal roost]

but it does mean gogoat's signature ability kinda dies in a fire

[cinder oasis]

No no no, @lethal roost was just mentioning how gogoats ability by being buffed in Grassy terrain seems useless

[frozen oyster]

itd be nice if there was an option to have 1 pokemon in your party with base stats lower than a certain threshold get a boost. Kind of like if ya wanted to Run Croconaw because its your favorite, but obviously its gonna really hurt down the road

[paper pasture]

Tbf tapus are 2 waifus 1 husbando and a scourge on this planet that should stay imprisoned

[thorny ferry]

oh ok, got me there for a sec

[crude garden]

Vote for the goomball

[lethal roost]

now the Forces of Nature would be kinda interesting

[zinc cave]

exactally thats the reason i want it in IF because its got design potential and can redeem a pokemon that was executed poorly

[rough hound]

i know, im quite the plague doctor enjoyer. even have a mask irl. but honestly, i dont think we need it to make a plague doctor

[cinder oasis]

No please

[iron quartz]

anyways rate my voting Tl

[paper pasture]

I'm a monkey apologist but the forces of nature are a bridge too far

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[lethal roost]

i will say the same thing as others:

no dessert fusions with slurpuff

[paper pasture]

DRUDDIGON HIGH I love you

[last knot]

starter fusions are a non-choice imo they take up NINE slots

[hot grove]

8.7/10

[lethal roost]

starter fusions are a non-choice because they've been removed from the poll

[cinder oasis]

4/10

[hushed mantle]

Why is the lake trio so high? They’re the same thing but with different colors

[last knot]

even better

[zinc cave]

like this could easily be an aromatisse honchchrow fusion

[hot grove]

Not a 10 because of lake trio

[iron quartz]

Explain @hot grove explain the reason for the 8.7/10
@hushed mantle Idk

[last knot]

please not castform, it will only exist to give mons boobs

[paper pasture]

Fuck da lake trio

[thorny ferry]

omg a non-bruxish-hater

[paper pasture]

Lmfaoo

[lethal roost]

that is a really childish way of looking at it? it's a puffy cloud. it's a cloud?????? you'd see this more with miltank if it'd ever happen without mods getting involved

[hot grove]

I can agree with a lot of the choices
But i dont like lake trio so no 10
Also im choosing to ignore the starters since they arent in the poll

[iron quartz]

Its ugly but the colours are good

[cinder oasis]

So many pokemon that take up a ton of slots, lake trio are mid, bronzong is mid.

[craggy lynx]

Omg, another Gogoat fan? 🐐

[last knot]

(hey that's almost entirely just jokes, castform is fine, just a bit boring)

[thorny ferry]

god works in mysterious ways.

[paper pasture]

TRUTH

[lethal roost]

...may i introduce you to a mon with the same color scheme but not an eldritch horror?

[frozen oyster]

Castforms weather form ability would probably end up working like weather based Protean when its fused

[iron quartz]

What pokemon that take up the slots?

[zinc cave]

i'd be cool to see a teru teru bozu castform fusions but otherwise im not too big on it

[cinder oasis]

Also ugly but better ig

[zinc cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141644528097427546/Micheal_Jackson.gif

[thorny ferry]

what if it is ugly

[cinder oasis]

You choose 2 of the starter sets and lunala dawg

[lethal roost]

I think the concept of Castform's alt forms could make some fusions pretty cool but I don't know how far it goes

[vestal monolith]

I agree

[iron quartz]

Its in the its Ugly but interesting BUT STILL INTERESTING
tier

[last knot]

do any current alt forms have fusions? rotom doesn't afaik

[zinc cave]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-jester-bow-gif-13075166147125308219

[cinder oasis]

Castform has hideous stats so I hope it doesn't get in

[lethal roost]

no? fusions can reference alt forms freely. it's regionals that get alted.

[zinc cave]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-blacephalon-head-roll-jester-gif-5390395606877382630

[hushed mantle]

Look at that face, isn’t he handsome?

[last knot]

sorry i'm confused by this sentence (esl)

[zinc cave]

he is an esteemed gentleman look how he bows

[iron quartz]

Theyre not bad tho?
they would look good in most fusions tbh

[lethal roost]

here's some from the frontpage that are basically just rotom's heat form to help illustrate the point

[hot grove]

They arent
But thats 9 slots for the price of 3

[lethal roost]

so a mon with alt forms can totally have those forms referenced

[last knot]

ohh i gotcha i gotcha - are those actually in or just in optional alt slots for sprites?

[iron quartz]

Yeah.

[cinder oasis]

You choose 60 pokemon

[lethal roost]

that's why I'm so excited for Minior and Furfrou to ||not|| get in the game

[naive cobalt]

theyre in game

[hot grove]

Its 9 slots wasted so thats why i dont really want starters

[last knot]

cool! thanks for clarifying @lethal roost

[lethal roost]

no those are the main sprites. the only sprites that get auto-alted that are forms are regionals, like if a sprite heavily referenced Alolan Marowak instead of the base one

[last knot]

i love that everyone's tierlists have been so varied

[rough hound]

bout time i posted this again. feel free to try and convince me to move stuff, but youre gonna need actual evidence to get anywhere

[thorny ferry]

same, I always love seeing everyone's opinions

[lethal roost]

yeah there's a lot of different opinions and sometimes i can convince someone to 🐐

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[lethal roost]

minior and furfrou in uninteresting, sad 😔

[paper pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/archen-pokemon-flailing-gif-25061602

[last knot]

it's in "die" tier lmao

[iron quartz]

Yeah.
they should have separated the starters into their own vote option (like not make them into 1 group that is a vote option)
but sounds like a bad idea tbh

[thorny ferry]

fym die

[wraith glen]

do we know when all the announced ones will be put in?

[cinder oasis]

Torkoal has drought and the steam coming out of his back could add some flair in fusions

[rough hound]

cant really do anything unobtainable through a cooler mon

[lethal roost]

i think i already told This One about the desserts and said no so uhhhh idk

[rough hound]

perish 💚

[lethal roost]

i lose track of who i've proselytized the desserts to

[zinc cave]

yee end of the day the mods prolly already cherry picked their choices and are just waiting to release them after the end of each sprite contest

getting people to change votes now is almost definitely fruitless

[thorny ferry]

ok, since you asked for evidence to convince you, there you go

[cinder oasis]

Sableye was a staff pick that took our slot but I don't mind

[naive cobalt]

you should vote marshadow cuz he pertty cool ngl

[rough hound]

any fire/water fusion can use steam effects tho. also im not really too easily convinced by viability. though ill admit, idk how he got into mid. ill move him up above vespiquen

[hot grove]

Personally would put Drampa higher but i think its fine

[iron quartz]

tmr is the end of the Tyrantum contest
Guessing who pokemon they picked for the next contest now

[lethal roost]

like im either convincing someone to vote for Hairstyles +++++ or funny cadbury egg meteor
or they don't and that's totally ok

[last knot]

i don't think this wll convince you, but i do think Dhelmise deserves a higher slot - fused with any "object" mon can get you old and overgrown/undersea variants, and steelworker with a steel fusion would be neat, esp. if passing on ghost typing. just seems like a good amount of possibilities ❤️

[lethal roost]

oh yeah dhelmise being that low is a tragedy i forgot

[hot grove]

It says it ends in 3 days

[grand hull]

CADBURY EGG

[cinder oasis]

His shell is unique comparing to the other turtles in the game as it is more blocky than the others

[iron quartz]

did you check the date of the message?

[thorny ferry]

sableye was the top 1 vote and by a long shot, it wasn't a staff pick

[lethal roost]

i wanna see minior fusions where it's based on the shell but the colors leak out

[last knot]

also tropius above Trevenant is a TRAVESTY

[hot grove]

Wdym tropius is goated

[grand hull]

Someone has made 2 sketches of that kinda

[last knot]

oh i'm blind it's same tier

[cinder oasis]

Both of them are pretty cool but I'd prefer other pokemon

[frozen oyster]

come to think of it, why didnt we get an ancient paradox form of Tropius...

[hot grove]

A paradox tropius would have been sick

[zinc cave]

mhmm i just dont see a point of a vote if the results were cherry picked, it was already said earlier that theres a high chance that any waifu mon or ultrabeast is going to be vetoed most likely

[last knot]

it's a neat design, but gosh the typing is not great and trevenant is a better harvest mon + better design(in my opinion)

[rough hound]

i actually despise dhelmise, objectmons are always hit or miss and i find it to be a miss. plus dragalge does the deep sea vibe much better and can be both a head AND a body

idk how it was so high in the first place, i meant to have it lower

[cinder oasis]

I hope they show us what the votes were at the end of the polls, thanks for telling me.

[last knot]

:0

[frozen oyster]

wait really? By a mod?

[zinc cave]

yee, if a pokemon isnt an option i see no reason to let people vote for it

[rough hound]

dont you L me, im right

i aint gonna sit around and say a corroded anchor covered in seaweed is a good pokemon

[zinc cave]

it was said a few days ago in this chat

[inland jewel]

Sableye wasn't staff pick, it was top spot by a longshot

[last knot]

i mean i don't agree, i'm not a fan of dragalge and think making mons kelp is fine but ultimately a totally different vibe than dhelmise. drgalge is better for crreature mons and dhelmise is better for object mons, again that's just my opinion

[cinder oasis]

Whats the point of letting people vote for alolamola, like who would actually want it. There's a lot of pokemon who are filler and are choices for no reason.

[thorny ferry]

it may not be a good pokemon, but this is no normal fangame, this is a FUSION fangame. it's like saying aegislash is not a good mon for the game despite all the cool fusions it has

[agile olive]

frogman has the final say, he is the one making the game after all

[last knot]

by itself, it is not a good mon, it's the sprite potential and typing + ability potential that's interesting

[rough hound]

aegislash is great and i will not have this slander in my house

[cinder oasis]

Aegislash was OU so that was a bad example

[inland jewel]

i actually love alomomola, one of my top 10 favorite pokemon, it gives us access to regenerator, high SpDef and HP.

[lethal roost]

here's every sprite of minior ever posted to spritework if this will convince even a single person

[thorny ferry]

I am talking about design here

[crude garden]

Vote for him or face his wrath

[zinc cave]

i just dont see a point in voting if some votes dont matter

[thorny ferry]

that shuckle is very pretty

[vestal monolith]

I stare into the open maw of despair, unblinking

[cinder oasis]

Would you prefer it over these other mons, no. So there's no need for some of the pokemon on this vote

[zinc cave]

might as well just choose 20 from the beginning instead of giving false hope

[lethal roost]

i really really think the Midnight Rainbow aesthetic on Shiny Minior in particular goes hard

[agile olive]

remember if it was solely up to the community we would have had 3 sets of starters and no other mons

[rough hound]

its mid in all 3 at best

[inland jewel]

that my friend is called a Water Poll. Its basically to gauge where the communities interest is so they can make the most informed decision on what to add.

[frozen oyster]

huh. On one hand, I'm voting for some less flashier mons, so... technically a Higher chance but... yeah hm.

[last knot]

that's okay, we just disagree :3

[cinder oasis]

Ehh, they should've made the poll less filler but it still should've been a poll

[inland jewel]

its not like its getting in, when the staff revealed top 3 and bottom 3 votes, alomomola was one of hte bottom 3

[rough hound]

fair enough

[thorny ferry]

making the vote number based will give more accurate results than just putting your mons in the chart, since it makes you give an opinion on ALL pokemon

[last knot]

it's to gauge community interest in particular mons, but ultiamtely he was also going to have the final say

[zinc cave]

starters are a staple they'll get in in the end any time

[lethal roost]

also tbf Kiwi forgot the Clamperl line and Comfey so we're not actually voting every mon

[zinc cave]

i do think that at least the top 3 should be guaranteed in

[cinder oasis]

Yes, so the top 20 get in but those who are barely outside like the top 50 could be added afterwards later on

[thorny ferry]

that's the only chance brux has

[lethal roost]

i assume this means that Clamperl and Comfey are the next staff picks we should get hyped

[wet radish]

Bruxish is good for creating abominations... and the abominations are part of the fun of the game. Like Mr. sir or Pinizard.

[thorny ferry]

you get it 🤝

[inland jewel]

thats not how water polls work though, I've know several devs in the past do water polls and despite some of the top spots being what the community wanted, they ultimately didn't follow through with it.

[cinder oasis]

Maybe

[zinc cave]

if its to gauge interest then it should be said from the beginning

[agile olive]

so you're saying frogman should have just allowed the 3 sets of starters and no other mons because the community voted for it? shit opinion

[cinder oasis]

Oh my bad, hopefully they don't do that cus it'll not be very nice

[last knot]

i think they mean outside of the poll, since they're starters, so eventually

[lethal roost]

the problem with the starters is that "20 slots" is not an arbitrary limit. it's not the exact limit, yes, that's why there's the staffpick of Scolipede in the first place, but there is a reason there's a limitation

[zinc cave]

thats not what i said, i agree that starters should be removed all together from the poll and jst added in by default

[cinder oasis]

The limit is probably like 26~

[zinc cave]

they are starters end of the day and no matter what at least one of them was someones first pokemon

[agile olive]

yeah the only reason that we are doing this is because the game is being optimised so that we can actually have 200,000 combinations. each mon added is another 800 or so. it's simply not feasible to add all the starters just because they are popular

[thorny ferry]

so it's possible that we get bruxish and the phantump line

[lethal roost]

honestly, I'll make that trade 🤝

[inland jewel]

800 and increasing, since the amount of fusions only gets bigger with each added one

i know doing the math the first added mon makes it around 820 something mons the next makes it around 930 something

[zinc cave]

yeah obsiously its a heavy work load, they get added in gradually, and that makes sense, im not expecting them to add every single pokemon at a time, thats why theres only 20 slots

[lethal roost]

#421, Sableye, added its head fusions (420), its body fusions (420), its self-fusions (1), and of course itself (1)

[zinc cave]

841 yeh

[lethal roost]

it's not the workload, it's that the game runs like shit and will run even more like shit if too many mons are added

[zinc cave]

that too definitely

[lethal roost]

the reason this is happening at all is that an optimization was found that makes this whole thing easier

[zinc cave]

mhmm it has been running smoother

[inland jewel]

probably the staff who found the optimization got to choose a mon to add to the game for making it happen

[agile olive]

yeah I think people need to consider how much fuckery is added by having 200,000 different entities with their own stats, graphics etc in a list that is constantly being referenced

[lethal roost]

i believe this is the legendary "species.dat" file yes

[inland jewel]

yeah the way each fusion is added is that it takes up a pokedex slot which comes with its own seperate dex entry, learnset, stats, abilites, types, etc

[zinc cave]

yeah thats def a big load

[cinder oasis]

Probably next year or two they'll add a few more pokemon

[zinc cave]

theres gonna be 168,200 new ones by the end not including scolipede line

[inland jewel]

unlikely, let me try to see when the last time a pokemon was added

[lethal roost]

no, it will include scolipede line.

[zinc cave]

nah they said scolipede is out side of the 20

[lethal roost]

yeah but it's still getting into the game. the number of actual fusions will be much higher as a result.

[cinder oasis]

Scolipede is seperate so thats 23 pokemon, I'd assume they have 25 or 26 slots for the game

[zinc cave]

yeh so 23 new ones, i just didnt add to the calculation cuz mental mat hard

spelling too apparently

[inland jewel]

found out the last time they added pokemon

#announcements message

10/12/2020 ---> 8/1/2023 (Announcement of adding pokemon)

[cinder oasis]

One single pokemon 3 years ago and it was stunfisk, damn

[inland jewel]

It was stunfisk and all prevolutions that weren;t in the game before, which is why Larvesta is 419 and Volcarona isn't 420

[opaque thicket]

truely the pokemon of all time

[inland jewel]

to think, Shuppet wasn't in the game until October 12th, 3 years ago

[zinc cave]

mhmm next addition will probably be just starters since they mentioned about putting them in at a later date by default, more reason why i think at the very least top 3 community picks (outside of starters) should be set in stone, since i really dont expect them to put EVERY pokemon in

[cinder oasis]

After this poll I wonder if they'll actually add any more beside the starters

[inland jewel]

Not unless they find another optimization for the game

This is a 2005 game engine after all

[zinc cave]

i feel like it would suck for your favourite to have gotten first place and then they dont get chosen because reasons

[cinder oasis]

I would assume it would be the next three starter sets which is 27 pokemon and then after that maybe like 10 more at most. Then likely never again

[zinc cave]

cuz if i recall the starters got 2nd, 3rd, and 4th so theres a hidden 1st place that passed all of them

[last knot]

they're not gonna ignore the top spot unless it's like komala

[lethal roost]

if I'm doing this right, as of right now the number's climbed to 182,328 (discounting triples)

(number of mons)^2 + (self fusions+mons themselves)

i don't know if my math is on point here

[inland jewel]

its already assumed that the top spot is sableye, which is why he was revealed like the day after

[lethal roost]

426 is Tyrantrum's current dex number but we'll potentially see higher

[rough hound]

If any of these mons catch your eye, consider joining my alliance (now with its own server!).

You dont have to support all three to join, just one is good enough for me. Or if you want to make an alliance alliance im open to that too, so if you want in then just say the word!

[zinc cave]

about right thats what i got too

[last knot]

boom then

[thorny ferry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1137892936915361942/1141905998097944707/jarvis.gif

[lethal roost]

notice how this image starts at 2 #pif-hoenn-discussion message

[inland jewel]

the most likely course is going to be the top 20, plus starters and then that will truly be it

[lethal roost]

it was probably sableye in #1 slot, the starters weren't #1 when they were removed

[zinc cave]

most likely logically

[thorny ferry]

omg!!1!1!11!!!!11!1

[lethal roost]

can i interest you in the variety offered by furfrou's hairstyles as fusion design inspirations?

[inland jewel]

also has Fur Coat which doubles a pokemon's defense, we can make ultra tank Shuckle

[proper schooner]

No

[lethal roost]

(not just as a head thing, like you could make a Body Furfrou with a hairstyle based on the Head Mon)

[cinder oasis]

6/10

[lethal roost]

ok 👍

at least minior is high that's a solid 8/10

[inland jewel]

Its the only pokemon to get Fur Coat (since we aint ever adding in regional forms)

[zinc cave]

so the total amount added that we can presume will be 20 slots 3 from staff pick and 27 for starters, so a total of 50 pokemon each with 841 fusions adding up to around 42,050 new pokemon fusions

[cinder oasis]

True

[lethal roost]

yeah we're not getting the other starters though i think the issue that the mods removed the starters for wasn't "they're dominating the polls" but "that'll be too many slots"

[inland jewel]

not necessarily true for the each with 821

[lethal roost]

the species.dat gets bigger by the day

[zinc cave]

look back at the post it mentioned added in at a later date i believe

[inland jewel]

since pokemon 422 will be 422+422+1

[cinder oasis]

It did

[lethal roost]

i think it'd be better described as a factorial but I don't know how to explain it?

no, a factorial's not what i'm thinking of

[cinder oasis]

Factorial would go up to who knows what number so no

[zinc cave]

the starters i wouldnt be suprised if thats the last addition like a few months from now

[lethal roost]

yeah absolutely not i just doublechecked lol

[lethal roost]

ok but then why put it in the poll where they're explicitly saying "20 slots right here"

[cinder oasis]

There is a possibility for optimization but of course that would add maybe another 20 pokemon and that's sort of stretching it

[zinc cave]

yee that would be for the total amount. (470 X 470 )+ 470

[last knot]

i thought it was removed from the poll?

[zinc cave]

yeh they were

[lethal roost]

no. 470x470 + 470 + 470

you cannot leave out the mon itself lol

[inland jewel]

they didn't say that they had ONLY 20 slots. they said they had AROUND 20 slots

[cinder oasis]

Being dumb ig

[cinder oasis]

That probably mean they have either 20 or like 22~ slots for us

[inland jewel]

so they assumed they had enough space to not make the game destroy itself to be around 20 slots.

[lethal roost]

i don't think mods expected so many people to vote starters

was it a whole lot of people who didn't read? probably!

[zinc cave]

yeh thats the + the base mons since 470X470 is all the fusions the +470 is the base ones

[lethal roost]

you're leaving out the self fusions then

[zinc cave]

self fusions is in the 470, otherwise it would be 470X469

[inland jewel]

and its not 469 because this includes the regular sprite for the unfused mon

[cinder oasis]

There's also the triple fusions as well, and when the next three starter sets come out that's another 3 triple fusions

[zinc cave]

yeah im not gonna even bother calculating for triple fusions

[lethal roost]

im not including triples in my calcs thats a pain in the ass

[inland jewel]

I know frogman is okay with making new triple fusions, you just have to give him a reason on why its a viable triple

[lethal roost]

that feels... weird, but i don't know how to describe it

[zinc cave]

220,900+470 so like 221,370 pokemon

[inland jewel]

i know someone asked him to add the Kanto Eeveelutions as a trio, as well as the Hitmon forms

[cinder oasis]

That's a good option

[zinc cave]

Assuming there are no more staff picks

[last knot]

the main hope i have is a slight update to stats/learnset on the weaker mons that get added

[zinc cave]

which pokemon do you think will cause the most trouble mechanically?

[native nebula]

https://img.pokemondb.net/sprites/black-white/anim/normal/seedot.gif

[zinc cave]

i was thinking probably ones that change forms with moves in battle yeh?

[native nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/massive-goat-gif-18644876

[last knot]

no idea how complicated those are to implement - did they ever fix stance change?

[thorny saddle]

why is that goat so big

[zinc cave]

no idea i never used an aegislash

[native nebula]

Because it is a mountain goat which are not actually goats.

[thorny saddle]

scammed

[native nebula]

America. Everything is bigger.

[last knot]

i've used tons of aegislash fusions and the stance change thing gets announced but i thought at one point it just didnt actually do anything>

[cinder oasis]

Damn that's a beast

[native nebula]

They can be bigger.

Males are built to fight off grizzly bears...

[frail jolt]

Furfrou fusions

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/why-tho-cute-kid-gif-17937097

[zinc cave]

just you guys wait for the canada pokemon reason for them to add a moose pokemon

[zinc cave]

https://tenor.com/view/moose-gif-21765500

moose are HUGE

[lethal roost]

stance change is fixed but theres no visual change

[winged garnet]

This'll be you if you don't vote Golisopod

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/moose-nodding-gif-12073269

[lethal roost]

why is he in danganronpa get him out

[zinc cave]

here's some advice if a moose gets in the way of your car, swerve, if you hit it your car is gonna be totalled

[native nebula]

People forget how big moose are...

[last knot]

gotcha - & yeah doesn't really need to add the complexity of visual changes with form changes

[winged garnet]

Wha? He spilled his juicebox

His juice is energon

[frail jolt]

moose lagendary

[lethal roost]

i was joking, my first thought was that it was danganronpa blood color

[zinc cave]

maybe moose starter

[zinc cave]

yeh its like the exact same color as the dangitgranpa pepto bismol blood

[frail jolt]

this is a moose right or naw

[zinc cave]

nah def not

[thorny saddle]

thats a lemon

[lethal roost]

its kind of a moose/elk/deer thing

[lethal roost]

tbf they're all related

[zinc cave]

mhmm but it wouldnt feel right to not have a pure moose pokemon

[lethal roost]

yeah

[zinc cave]

tho that might just be cuz im canadian

[cinder oasis]

Maybe idk the lore behind the whole group

[zinc cave]

the top 2 regions i want is a Canada one and a Greece/Italy one, maybe Egypt just for all the mythology of the latter ones

[frail jolt]

what would Canada starters look like

[zinc cave]

moose, narwhal bear

[cinder oasis]

Beaver, moose, bear

[lethal roost]

the primary lore is that they're gifts given by a king from a distant land to Paldea, but the relics are hella cursed and they start taking form by stealing from the land around them. they just happen to take the shape of animals

[cinder oasis]

Sorry I worded it wrong, I meant the real life inspiration for it

[zinc cave]

they would probably have a regional bibarel with and evolution

[lethal roost]

i think all the animals they're supposed to be are native to China but i dont rember no

[zinc cave]

maybe an ogopogo pokemon, thats our version of the lochness monster

[sudden goblet]

I found some good fusion ideas for my boy Gigalith. The art isn't mine obviously, but I believe the creators are SadFlowerhappy and Chunkylowdraws. Not sure about the flygon one tho.

[zinc cave]

rn we got japan X5.5 (kitakami) the states X2 franceX1 UK X1 and spain X1

[crude garden]

Vote for goomy

[lethal roost]

3 in the States if you count Orre

[zinc cave]

oh yeah i forgot about spinoffs

[crude garden]

Pokemon conquest, the greatest and most underappreciated spinoff?

[zinc cave]

Based as hell

i love pokemon conquest

[cinder oasis]

It's very unique and super fuckin expensive as well

[thorny ferry]

Last brux propaganda before I ascend to the heavens

[crude garden]

Yeah getting a copy of pretty rough nowadays

[zinc cave]

minior can do everything the cosmog line can with space stuff for 3 less slots

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/diancie-pokemon-diancie-greninja-pokemon-greninja-greninja-tongue-gif-25194250

[crude garden]

Oh my

[night oracle]

?

[cinder oasis]

I think my dad has a sealed copy but idk if he has an opened one

[frail jolt]

oops

[wintry imp]

I will happily take Minior over the Cosmog line, but I do want both

[crude garden]

Wow that's pretty neat

[zinc cave]

mhmm

i love that conquest has multiplayer too

i used to play all the time with my cousin

[night oracle]

lol

[stone cliff]

Cosmog is cute and has good fusion potential, but four slots for a lion, a bat, a football and a pokemon that won't GET IN THE FUCKING BAG

[zinc cave]

based

[stone cliff]

I'd vote Solgaleo, Lunala and Necrozma 3 if it didn't include Cosmog/Cosmoem

And I'm fuckin weird and don't want Necrozma without the other two lol

[thorny ferry]

Necrozma is pretty cool

It's fun to work with its body

[cinder oasis]

?

[native nebula]

peeps mentioned moose

[frail jolt]

what pokemon would you use to turn these into pokemon

[cinder oasis]

Klefki is already the top two

[native nebula]

unowns obv

Voltorb bottom L

[cinder oasis]

All of these would have to be cofagrigus fusion with something else

[zinc cave]

klefki

we need a pyramid pokemon

[frail jolt]

cofagrigus fusion

[zinc cave]

rabscara

[cinder oasis]

Garganacl and cofagrigus could fit that as a fusion

[zinc cave]

true, or even better, stakataka

[cinder oasis]

Stakataka is 🤮

[zinc cave]

https://tenor.com/view/stakataka-sus-funny-one-gif-27093456

[night oracle]

S tier

[zinc cave]

stakataka can change its shape if it wants

look at these legos

[wispy ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/shaymin-pokemon-flower-gracidea-sleeping-gif-16355287

[night oracle]

alright gn chat

[frail jolt]

long stakataka

since the creator of the game is Frogman this seems like I most likely pick

[crude garden]

https://tenor.com/view/building-lego-gif-12960545

Stackatacka

[night oracle]

thats a toad

[frail jolt]

tried to find amphibious creatures that aren't in game yet

[paper pasture]

Drampa best boy

[frail jolt]

Drampa Noivern

[thorny saddle]

komo o is awersoem

[minor mason]

based except for komo-o hes kinda cool

[thorny saddle]

druttut is stupid and he looks like what a kid drawing a dragon from memory would look like

his stats also SUCK

[clever vigil]

Kommo-o is my favorite pseudo

[lethal roost]

i like kommo-o

[minor mason]

we need a best propoganda contest lmao

[hushed mantle]

Remove kommo and charx from here and we good

[clever vigil]

Anywaysss, have some Sharpedo fusions that I drew up

[thorny saddle]

druddigon is stupid and idiot

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[thorny saddle]

i had to go through every single dragon pokemon in the pokedex just to find him because he has no recognizable features

[paper pasture]

Maybe to a dullard

[crude garden]

This is what peak dragon looks like

[thorny saddle]

the only feature about him that is interesting is his lack of features

[thorny ferry]

Actual peak dragon:

[thorny saddle]

real

[minor mason]

the goomy line is cool but we already have oozey fusions with muk so idk

[paper pasture]

How can one look at druddigon and say "no defining features" wild

[clever vigil]

The only reason I voted a 3 for druddigon is because I wanna make a Sandile/Druddigon that is a bearded dragon

[thorny saddle]

his only defining feature is that he looks stupid

[paper pasture]

Sorry it's not an uggo like kommo

[hushed mantle]

Peak dragon design is making a pokemon long and calling it a day

[clever vigil]

Kommo-o looks cool 😠

[thorny saddle]

Do kommo-o sandile

[paper pasture]

Nasho here with the based takes, alolan egg best dragon

[minor mason]

you can probably already do that with another dragon type though tbf lol

[thorny ferry]

That just sounds like a bias imo

[crude garden]

https://tenor.com/view/goomy-sliggoo-goodra-gif-9838661

[clever vigil]

But Druddigon spiky

[frail jolt]

Sharpedo i would love

[minor mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055008860714307595/1056000868404703273/g0fa2kf347391.webp

[thorny saddle]

there is literally nothing about him that makes him interesting

[crude garden]

Mr. Pedo

[minor mason]

he has a red head and he played baseball

[thorny ferry]

When it comes to fusion design tho...

[thorny saddle]

when it comes to fusion design literally any other dragon pokemon would work one gazillion times better

[clever vigil]

Oml, for the 100th time, IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED THAT IF ADDED, SHARPEDO'S SUFFIX WILL BE EDO, NOT PEDO

[paper pasture]

Druddigon BALLING also he's a silly Lego dragon

I hate edo period japan

[frail jolt]

yvatal baby

[minor mason]

[crude garden]

LMAO

[minor mason]

no mr.pedo

[paper pasture]

Literally 1984

I didn't mean to super

[clever vigil]

Why the D out of all letters, oh lord

[thorny ferry]

No, it has a very spiky body, and some unique stuff like the weird-shaped wings and red head. No other mon has these features and as such, no other mon could serve the same purpose

[minor mason]

Mr.PeDo

[hushed mantle]

NOMRPE🇩o

[paper pasture]

Lego dragon

/affectionate

[thorny ferry]

God that superreaction must've hurt

[paper pasture]

Yeah

[thorny saddle]

?

[clever vigil]

Also, Druddigon may be partially inspired by Bearded dragons anyways so..

[gleaming sand]

Spike shaped wings where?

[paper pasture]

Bitch in what world does ttar and scept look like drudd, their posture alone makes em different

[thorny saddle]

Just fuse with something with wings

also it barely even resembles a bearded dragon

[gleaming sand]

Yeah but what if I want both wings and spikes at once

[frail jolt]

Sharpedo mr mime

[thorny ferry]

Sceptile has 4 spikes that nobody uses in their sprites, tyranitar nor sceptile has wings, and both of them don't have red heads

[paper pasture]

I'm sorry saying bitch was rude very undruddigon of me

[clever vigil]

Someone: I like Druddigon, This dude: NO DRUDDIGON TRASH, I WILL NOT RESPECT YOUR OPINION, NO

[minor mason]

we were just talking about this LMAO

[thorny saddle]

finally someone gets it

[thorny ferry]

What if I want a pokemon with no wings to have wings AND spikes

[clever vigil]

Why tho? Why must you go out of your way to talk such bad things about spiky dragon

[lethal roost]

druddigon is one of the pokemon of all time

[thorny saddle]

because he is so stupid and he killed my family

[lethal roost]

he got up to my Ambivalence Tier at least

[thorny saddle]

pick cool pokemon and cool dragon type not bad one

[clever vigil]

But beardie

[lethal roost]

ok i will pick drampa then

[thorny saddle]

drampa is good

[paper pasture]

Drampa is baefy

[minor mason]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-clap-drake-clap-drake-meme-nba-gif-23631290

[gleaming sand]

Unfortunately we only get 20 slots so i see the reasoning in talking down other mons. Still a crappy move tho

[frail jolt]

Druddigon charzard

[thorny saddle]

it doesnt look like a bearded dragon at all tho

[thorny ferry]

You know what else is good? BRUXISH BABY WOOOOO

[lethal roost]

that's Black Rose Dragon it'd be a Roserade fusion.

[clever vigil]

One of Drampa's Pokédex entries says that it commits arson

[paper pasture]

Lmfao I love this

[thorny saddle]

also its too rosey it would be more spikey and silly looking

[frail jolt]

oh alright

[paper pasture]

Drampa may be problematic, but he cares about children so it balances out

[minor mason]

it's hilarious how many fusions bruxish has despite not even being in the game lmao

[thorny ferry]

We are going to make every single brux fusion 🫡

[iron quartz]

the face is just ugly
the colours balance it out ig

[thorny ferry]

The face being ugly is not a problem in the slightest

[sharp sphinx]

charizard/noivern @frail jolt

[paper pasture]

When will we stop tearing down women for being their authentic selves (I am talking about bruxish)

[thorny ferry]

Wild shit coming from a lurantis voter

[gleaming sand]

What's wrong with lurantis

[iron quartz]

I'm sorry but the colours are the only reason Its good tbh

[paper pasture]

Thank you lyrebird for deepening my love of druddigon, I hadn't even made the beaded dragon comparison in my head

[gleaming sand]

Well now I'm heavily tempted to vote sawk and throh in

[thorny saddle]

vot e him if u want but theres better options

[sharp sphinx]

vote noivern

[lethal roost]

i actually found black rose dragon as a fusion i think 👍

[paper pasture]

"Gogoat enjoyer"

[iron quartz]

Nice.

[thorny ferry]

Has a design that doesn't really bring too much to the table considering what we already have

[paper pasture]

No hate to gogoat I've just seen cooler ungulates in my front yard

[iron quartz]

It just need more fucking red and black ig?

[gleaming sand]

At least it's design isn't downright hideous and can be used for more than vore

[sharp sphinx]

what's pokemon scrap, would we not need permission from em to use the concept?

[iron quartz]

I'm sorry used for more than What

[lethal roost]

its the same shape it's just more explicitly roserade and haxorus than black rose, the alt it has unfortunately isn't the right colors but another (admittedly cool) sprite

[gleaming sand]

Bruxish

[paper pasture]

Bruxish

[minor mason]

bruxish isn't for vore it's for making things ugly

[clever vigil]

People consumption

[frail jolt]

just proof of consept was not trying to steal

[thorny ferry]

Who said it being hideous wasn't what made bruxish good ||also wdym by vore? There isn't a single vore related fusion||

[gleaming sand]

Yeah bruxish

[iron quartz]

well
thats one way to say it

[thorny saddle]

Kecleon looks more like a bearded dragon (I know its supposed to be a chameleon) than druddigon

or the whole treecko evolution line

[gleaming sand]

You are literally giving it giant fucking lips and mouths wdym there's no vore

[paper pasture]

Willful ignorance is one hell of a beast

[sharp sphinx]

ik but with something that specific liable to need permissin to use it now especially wiht another pokemon fan game

[minor mason]

victribell fits this catagory for than bruxish

[thorny ferry]

You are just seeing things that aren't there, big mouths =/= vore

[opal trail]

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[paper pasture]

Miss America 😍

[sharp sphinx]

miss shark week

[lethal roost]

yeah im fuckin uhhh posting things to get that conversation off my fuckin screen dont mind these 🐐

[iron quartz]

Fax

[minor mason]

agreed, lemme drampa post rq

[gleaming sand]

Yeah that's fair

[paper pasture]

This is spheal line propaganda

[gleaming sand]

How tho

[frail jolt]

Sharpedo Gardevoir idea

[paper pasture]

Spheal

[clever vigil]

But Druddigon is based on a beardie (partially)

[sharp sphinx]

that's mantine

[thorny saddle]

yeah but it looks nothing like it

[lethal roost]

Druddigon is a lot of things, like a friend :)

[gleaming sand]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[thorny saddle]

full respect to ur beardie dragon he looks neat but it would be disrespectful to paint him as that sad half design of a pokemon

[lethal roost]

hes not getting higher than Ambivalence Tier though sorry

[paper pasture]

Druddigon forgives you and loves you

[minor mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1042662002969038890/1110051542494625893/Screenshot_20230521-2148052.png

[paper pasture]

ILL SETTLE FOR AMBIVALENCE, I just don't get haters

[lethal roost]

idk people have always just disliked druddigon for some reason, he feels like a gen 1 mon and thats ok :)

[iron quartz]

@lethal roost whats the rest of the tl again

[lethal roost]

rn its this

[frail jolt]

Druddigon sandslash

[lethal roost]

now that is a properly spiky boy

[iron quartz]

doesnt it use blood as a weapon.

[paper pasture]

Ohhh yeah you like slurpuff and sigi and others, respectable tastes

[minor mason]

honestly couldn't you do all the spiky lizard stuff with the dinos that just got added

[eternal timber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/702626820876533851/1143379387002142820/if_wishlist_sitten.png

[lethal roost]

i mean i dont think the sprites would reference that but sure

[eternal timber]

Realistically i would be happy with one set of legends

[sharp sphinx]

I still don't think cosmog lines worth it when it's 4 slots and we hav laods of space fx stuff already

[iron quartz]

Froslass def forgotten in this poll

[lethal roost]

i don't think Froslass is that forgotten every once in a while someone reminds us of the glory of Snorunt as a pick

[frail jolt]

give me the arua trio

[thorny saddle]

Seviper zigzagoon are also fun designs I just dont really like seviper since we already have arbok and ekans, and most of their designs dont seem super interesting

[sharp sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/spheal-with-it-sannnnnnnes-gif-7199061

[minor mason]

oh my god I forgot how much I love snorunt actually

[paper pasture]

Tbh I think everyone could agree to just solgaleo and lunala

[minor mason]

wait can we actually get snorunt in the game guys

[eternal timber]

Its not only there because of cat. Its there because 3/4 are amazing aesthetics

[paper pasture]

Like cosmog and cosmoem can go to Mexico or sumn

[iron quartz]

Abomasnow still exist

[lethal roost]

really? usually when someone complains about it their issue is Zangoose, not Seviper

[thorny saddle]

zangoose sorry

[frail jolt]

spheal machamp

[lethal roost]

but i see what you mean yeah i think they're neat :)

[paper pasture]

Idk I always thought zangoose was the more iconic of the two, but ig team rocket had a seviper

[lethal roost]

spheal/golurk given that golurk can put in its hands to make them holes

[eternal timber]

I like their rivalry for potentially fun paired fusions. Plus snake with a bladed tail is a different type of poison snake

[thorny saddle]

Zangoose feels like a second evolution

[eternal timber]

Imagine all the sword tails you could do

Oh, also for people worried about legends being late game. Cosmog could easily be early because nebby is around from the start in the games and cressalia could be similar to jirachi

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/glutton-gluttony-grumpig-spoink-pig-gif-27399447

havent been here in a bit

[frail jolt]

Surviper Arbok do not know where you'd get the red

[frozen oyster]

So how have folks felt about Bewear

[short garden]

seviper and arbok both have red accents

[lunar jolt]

tropical freeze was goated

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bewear-bewear-kick-bewear-anime-bewear-pokemon-gif-25525538

[frail jolt]

oh ok

[lunar jolt]

one of the best platformer games to exist no debate

[frail jolt]

yes to both

[eternal timber]

Sevipers red accent is so important its the reason zangoose has one.
Also zangoose originally had purple claws and is the cause of sevipers purple (i used the original zangoose sprite in my chart)

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/melmetal-meltan-pokemon-gif-25221110

[short garden]

i feel like bewear is okay, but it is too similar to stufful and we have to cherrypick it out just because it isn't the absolute best for 20 slots

[frozen oyster]

That's entirely fair reasoning yeah

[short garden]

plus both of its concepts exist already

plush? mimikyu

bear? ursaring and however many others

teddy bear? teddiursa

strong fighting mon? well you can name some of those, we have quite a few

[frail jolt]

stufful Care Bear fusions

[eternal timber]

Plush can just be banette

[short garden]

teddiursa...

[thorny saddle]

Why is melmetal so slept on?

Steel typing, awesome unique design, sick effects and fun fusions, amazing moves

[frozen oyster]

Pretty much why I didn't put it too high

[paper pasture]

Melmetal ugly

[short garden]

legendary. people want more mid-game mons that they dont have to wait the entire game to even get a grasp at

[thorny saddle]

melmetals not a legendary

[eternal timber]

Thats why I mentioned that cosmog and cressalia have potential to not be late game

[cinder oasis]

And yes we know randomizer exists bla bla bla.

[frozen oyster]

I've been seeing alot of folks go for more Legendaries and UBs.

I'd love for the mid game mons to be preferred.

[cinder oasis]

Bigger fan favorites ig

[hushed mantle]

It is

[paper pasture]

Fr, like I don't really like randomizer or legends

[eternal timber]

Melmetal is weird. Also I’m sorry my list has so many legends but i like them aesthetically a lot

[thorny saddle]

its a mythical

[cinder oasis]

It's a mythical

[hushed mantle]

Almost same thing

[paper pasture]

Legends v mythicals is so inane to me

[short garden]

same difference... if anything it's gonna be HARDER to get than a legend

[frail jolt]

Melmetal/machamp

[short garden]

people want pokemon they can actually use within the game

hence all the GASP mons tend to be early-game or mid-game mons

[hushed mantle]

Looks more like a registeel to me

[cinder oasis]

I just don't like that lunala and solgaleo are 4 slots

[eternal timber]

Mythicals are only available via real life events in their original games. So they’re a lot harder

[thorny saddle]

yeah but the same owuld also go for a lot of the legendary fusions that people are voting on

also its 2 mons so it doesnt take up a lot of space for how good a mon it is

[cinder oasis]

I only voted for necrozma and yveltal and xerneas.

[proper schooner]

No longer applies to several, deoxys, arceus, etc

[frozen oyster]

Sliding this in here. Mid game mon, good ability and decent stats, perfect for fusion

[short garden]

ehh... if you have met me, you know my biggest character trait here is going against necrozma

i love it, but i don't think it can be done justice and will be butchered if they add it in in the game's current state.

[eternal timber]

Thats why I specified original game.

[short garden]

not critiquing the devs, i just understand that limits exist and they would not be kind to necrozma

[thorny saddle]

How would it reach limits, also are you talking about necrozma or melmetal

[eternal timber]

I dont want necrozma without cosmog. And if we get xerneas and yveltal it would be a waste not to get zygarde. Zygarde would only use one slot but would have 4 whole designs to pick from for spriting

Plus having all 3 means we can triple fuse

[hushed mantle]

That’s why we need chatot ‼️

[frozen oyster]

I want my big lizard Exploud over Chatot.

[short garden]

both of them, but mainly necrozma.

-necrozma cant function well without an entire story around it. the game does not have enough data nor the map to handle that.

-most of its fusions would be with legendaries, leaving the mid-game entirely behind.

-if necro gets in, people are going to want solgaleo and lunala, requiring 5 slots total.

[thorny saddle]

yeah but only one of those points apply to melmetal

[eternal timber]

Honestly i find melmetal boring

[thorny saddle]

[thorny ferry]

The devs on their way to say it was all a prank and they are going to add them all:

[minor mason]

I think the story part probably wont matter much, and also people are gonna fuse necrozma with EVERYTHING

[short garden]

tbh that would be wonderful...

[hushed mantle]

For me chatot is the superior sound mon because

• takes one slot
• decent spattack and speed stats
• boomburst
• nice color palette
• can be found in normal gameplay
• can say swer words
  But i think that’s up to everyone

[frail jolt]

Tropius for the fruit fusions alone

[eternal timber]

I dont want another normal bird

[minor mason]

why not just kricketune

[thorny saddle]

it probably wouldnty work with the mic ingame

[thorny ferry]

But chatot is no normal bird

[eternal timber]

Its normal/flying relativly basic bird and we already have stuff with music as a theme

[hushed mantle]

I have the feeling that if it gets in it could be the first normal/flying to have the normal type when fused because sound is usually represented by normal

[thorny saddle]

if yall want a bird mon so bad why not toucannon

[hushed mantle]

3 slots

[thorny saddle]

true but still more interesting than chatot,

also theres not a lot of fun flying types in the game

[eternal timber]

I would accept swablu but apparently we already have a lot of dragons

[hushed mantle]

Chatot is not a normal/flying bird, it is THE normal/flying bird

[minor mason]

chatot minus literally 1 feature is just a parrot

[frozen oyster]

Explouds got those points except the 1 slot. I concede that. However, I think chatot only gets Boomburst via breeding with Noivern unless the Devs give it to it

[thorny ferry]

Hmmm... Now that I think of it, if I am already vouching for bruxish (almost in the bottom of the vote list), I should make propaganda for volbeat and illumise (dead last)

[eternal timber]

Actually you have to change the metronome tail too

[frail jolt]

Exploud yes

[thorny saddle]

bruxish is just a fish with colors and teeth

[eternal timber]

Its a triggerfish, so its also angry

They’re, not a friendly group of fish

[frail jolt]

bruxish now take away the color

[short garden]

spell its name for me and then i will let you argue your point

[thorny ferry]

It's good it isn't oversaturared, the best fusion mons are rather simple

[minor mason]

sn UGLY fish with colors and teeth

[frozen oyster]

Sadly some fish in the world have teeth. Thanks nature.

[eternal timber]

Bruxish? I dont even care if it gets in or not

[lethal roost]

... a lot of fish do?

[minor mason]

bruxish can make any pokemon ugly

chatopt can make any pokemon a bird with a music note

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/when-the-imposter-is-sus-sus-among-us-among-sus-fishe-gif-19743541

[eternal timber]

Triggerfish are known for their teeth

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-teeth-foxmel-gif-23791451

[thorny ferry]

God that is disgusting

[thorny ferry]

Posting propaganda to get that shit out of my screen

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spinning-aquarium-funny-gif-16145200

[cinder oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-jumpscare-after-funny-cat-gif-26145024

[thorny saddle]

https://gfycat.com/bittersmoothcarp

[thorny ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-gif-18440072

[eternal timber]

This is a triggerfish

[minor mason]

WHAT IS THIS CHAT RIGHT NOW

[short garden]

listen... i dont think that if a bruxish fan can't spell humuhumunukunukuāpua'a then they really shouldn't be fighting for it considering they have no idea what it is

||/j||

[hard kiln]

I have returned!

[lone dome]

Fishing

[thorny ferry]

Yup, I better get the fuck outta here

[hard kiln]

And OH LOOK, IT'S BRUXISH HOUR!

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/arcibes-animation-fish-shark-teeth-gif-23797755

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-funny-scared-scared-fish-gif-12737839

[eternal timber]

Oh, you meant the Hawaiian name for both the picasso triggerfish and the reef triggerfish

[hard kiln]

now hold on, i didn't even start yet xD

[short garden]

yes. that is exactly what bruxish is based on.

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-parrotfish-ramon-coral-city-camera-mmm-bop-gif-20564327

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/ramon-parrotfish-yellowtail-parrotfish-coral-city-camera-fish-gif-20701726

funny parrot fish

[thorny ferry]

Behave well, brush your teeth, shower and allat, see ya

Vote necrozma too I like that mon

[eternal timber]

Its based on the picasso more probably. Because of the colors. I just think it’s fun that two species share the name

[hard kiln]

Matpal, love me D: why do you avoid me, my fellow Bruxish fan?

[thorny ferry]

I'm not avoiding you jrepra, our love just can't happen 💔

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-fish-gif-19641975

[hard kiln]

Separated by the expanse of time. Tale as old as time.

[thorny ferry]

XXI century romeo and juliet

[hard kiln]

i'll fist fight Dialga for you!

[lone dome]

I just noticed the sprite has a stray white dot in between one of its smaller claws

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/good-feelings-gone-nemo-marlin-dory-dori-gif-10190871

[thorny ferry]

Oh shit you are right

[gentle ferry]

See you all another time, I’ll leave you with Gastrodon sprites.

[short garden]

left foot. between inner and center toe

[hard kiln]

oh, i will vote for Gastradon. But not because you asked me.

[minor mason]

@hard kiln what are your thoughts on drampa

[frail jolt]

elder dragon

[hard kiln]

goofy dragonite, i love it but needs more color pallet.

[thorny saddle]

Everybody wake up new scrafty fusions dropped

[eternal timber]

Eh, we have too many dragons (concentration wise)

[thorny ferry]

Ok now I'll go fr, see ya

[hard kiln]

i also enjoy drampa's typing. yay for the normals!

[minor mason]

your right he is goofy

[frozen oyster]

Drampa us a cute design and I think adds alot of

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/appletun-plush-pokemon-plush-spin-spinny-gif-22753008

i own this plushie in real life

[hard kiln]

Where's my scrafty!? Scrafty buddy! My spirit pokemon!

[minor mason]

wdym by needing more colour pallet though

[thorny saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-friendship-armstrong-sig-curtis-gif-9195137

[hard kiln]

it adds alot of something. that something isn't color. it needs more color.

[eternal timber]

No it doesn’t, not everything needs to be flashy

[hard kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

[hard kiln]

i didn't say flashy. i just said it needs more color. it's color pallet is very common among pokemon.

[eternal timber]

Not reallt

[hard kiln]

actually, i take that back. it's turquoise blue green is something not common used much, if at all, with many other pokemon.

[thorny saddle]

?

[frozen oyster]

I meant to edit that but got distracted lmao. I thought it added alot of fun with the fluffier design elements.

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/dunsparce-beloved-pokemon-gif-21579093

[zinc cave]

yoooo guys

i was playing a randomizer and

[paper pasture]

Dunsparce banger mon

[zinc cave]

archen confirmed

[hard kiln]

oh i enjoy the fluffy design. in fact, it gives leeway to the chinese dragons, the long bois and the lindworms. which would add many fun long pokemon options.

[eternal timber]

No, that just means archen was planned before the 420 limit happened

[hard kiln]

i love dunsparce SO MUCH

[minor mason]

low amount of colours doesn't mean a bad colour pallet

[frozen oyster]

How do ya feel about Dudunsparce? Personally I think it's hilarious and cute

[thorny saddle]

has the same color palette as lapras kinda

[zinc cave]

yeh obv its just left over from the files in game by default

[minor mason]

nah drampa is more teal and he has some yellow in there, lapras is just blue

[hard kiln]

that is true. which is why i corrected myself. it does add an interesting color option not seen by many other pokemon. that's it's turquoise blue green back.

[paper pasture]

Dundunsparce let's eviolite dunspace happen, a welcome development

[pure flower]

Dudunsparce is neat. Prefer it when it's three segment though

[minor mason]

oh I didn't see that, mb

[hard kiln]

i've always loved dunsparce. i was so happy to find it in the game when i joined.

[eternal timber]

No, i think archen was actually planned before the limit. But also dudunsparce doesn’t mean we get eviolite dunsparce

[paper pasture]

I mean in the main series games

[eternal timber]

Yeah but that doesn’t matter for votes

[minor mason]

crazy that game freak just made dudunsparce and got away with it

[hard kiln]

makes my favorite pokemon even better, i say.

[frozen oyster]

I was hunting for a 3 segment one with little luck when someone told me the amazing trick that hyperdrill is an egg move for them and sped the process up insanely

[paper pasture]

Dundunsparce doesn't matter when it comes to votes what are you on

[thorny saddle]

Can we talk about this guy and how he 10000% deserves to be in the game but just isnt

[hard kiln]

how so? O3o and if we are getting dudunsparce, will we get Ursaluna for the same reason?

[hard kiln]

they had to justify giving Nemona that silly fake worm team.

[paper pasture]

Orthworm is a serious hombre

[hard kiln]

super heracross!

[eternal timber]

No we wont be getting dudunsparce or ursaluna, that’s why dunsparce wouldnt get eviolite in game.

And archen is in the museum. Might also have sprites in a random file somewhere. I know skitty does. Can’t remember which fooder tho

[thorny saddle]

kingambit, evolution from bisharp

its in the new game

[hard kiln]

i did not know bisharp evolved. woah. O3o i am behind on pokemon, yet again.

[thorny saddle]

Yeah primeape and girafarig also got evoltuoins

[hard kiln]

aww.

[short garden]

primeape gets so angry that it just dies and resurrects itself out of sheer rage against anything and everything

[hard kiln]

oh yeah, 2 more favorites 😄

[short garden]

tbh girafarig self fuse should be farigiraf

[hard kiln]

poor girafarig, getting eaten by it's own butt. has it's own head up it's butt xD

[frozen oyster]

Ya know, when I heard the rumors I was hoping it attained peace as an enlightened spirit or something. Nah its just so angry it transcends mortality

[hard kiln]

i have heard of Nemona's true team, and that annihilape and (other pikachu) combo. i cried.

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/slither-wing-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-gif-27567549

https://tenor.com/view/slither-wing-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-gif-27567421

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant!

[paper pasture]

Slitherwing BANGER

[short garden]

tbh tyrantrum and volcarona (volc head tyrantrum body) should make slither wing

[paper pasture]

Got that mf fur coat

[paper pasture]

U have a beautiful mind

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

Man I come to this chat at the worst times I guess well I’m leaving

[paper pasture]

Yeah kinda dead rip

[tropic nacelle]

Aye for anyone who’s here later or right now what’s a good Pokémon anime to start on

[hard kiln]

Pawmot, the team medic!

[hard kiln]

liligant time!?

[tropic nacelle]

Lilligant

[hard kiln]

i prefer the manga, but its best to start with the gen for your first game

[restive halo]

Main reason to have this boi come to the game: Fusion with Kyogre to make this.

[cinder oasis]

It's also morbidly broken too

[gentle ferry]

Ok I know I said I'd sleep but I absolutely want crazy wacko sea slug fusions yes.

For example this is a Sea Angel and could totally be a fusion with Reniculus.

[restive halo]

Basically imagine a silverback gorilla that gets so angry it drops dead from a heart attack....and then minutes later comes back with the strength of a nuke and rips your face off.

[short garden]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-grumpig-grumpy-pig-pokemon-gif-27399442

tired sleepy

gn chat

[cinder oasis]

This would've been honestly really cool as a split evolution, being fighting and fairy type

Or fairy and ghost

I really like how they gave old pokemon with lower bsts evolution except dudunsparce biggest disappointment ever tbh.

[sharp sphinx]

chatot doesn't get bomburst without breeding, needs noivern

[viscid mica]

upon further research seviper does not, in fact, have contrary so im moving him down to idc from i want(gameplay)

[sharp sphinx]

serperior does

[rough hound]

guess whos back with ANOTHER new custom sprite? the eyes arent perfect, but i love the way these two turned out. it also fixes the issue of not being able to have both forms on the same team.

vote gastro if you wanna use em!

~~and if you have any feedback, hmu in #1143400531872718868 ~~

[gentle ferry]

Oh hey Radiant, made another custom sprite too.

Shellos/Shellos

[rough hound]

i would die for them

lil man is ourple, just like my sona

[sharp sphinx]

they were onfused it doesn't have contrary

[hushed mantle]

isn't there someone in the battle factory that teaches egg moves?

[sharp sphinx]

do they add moves to game based on egg moves though?

[rough hound]

but yeah, we got the ENTIRE SQUAD BABY

[hushed mantle]

could you word that better?

[sharp sphinx]

no but I can word it differently,
would they add a new move to infinite fusion because one pokemon has it but only as an egg move and nothing learns it otherwise?

[rough hound]

be sure to vote these 3 so these bases can be used to their fullest potentials yall

[rugged wedge]

Even I couldn't come up with a better wording for that ngl

[gentle ferry]

Really appreciate these. Good work!

[frail jolt]

Toxicroak/honchrow

[rough hound]

YEAHHHHH

[tight cairn]

Is the shuppet line in the poll

[rough hound]

stop ill cry /pos

[rough hound]

shuppet and banette are already in the game

[gentle ferry]

Aight real sleep time this time see yall

[frail jolt]

Toxicroak/Octillery

[rough hound]

unfortunately, im mostly basing my stuff off preexisting bases atm (pokemon cards and company owned art). i really hope someones able to make these real tho

[hard kiln]

don't we have a beta fish pokemon? or no?

[frail jolt]

Toxicroak/Politoed

or pre evo

[rough hound]

that aint no betta fish, that there is a blue dragon sea slug. a super cool venomous sea creature that i personally adore

[hard kiln]

i know that isn't a beta fish. i was more asking if we do have a beta fish pokemon.

[rough hound]

oh fair. tbh i dont think theres a canon mon that resembles a betta. closest we have is goldeen, but its not built like a betta and i think its supposed to be a goldfish

[frail jolt]

Oricorio would it count as 4 or 1 slot

[sharp sphinx]

1 slot other forms would only exist visually with fusions

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/slimes-squishiverse-squishiland-squishie-squishies-gif-25483417

[sharp sphinx]

don't need to ping to reply btw

[frail jolt]

ok

[tight cairn]

Oh ok thx

[hard kiln]

hmm... we should fuse goldeen/seaking with hawlucha for a beta fish pokemon with like a mask theme.

[rough hound]

Ive gotta admit, i didnt envision myself getting this far when it comes to spriting. I thought the first one was a fluke, but turns out im actually not half bad at it.

Even if my mons dont get in (which i really hope they do) at least i managed to learn a new skill. All i can hope for now is that im able to work with these 3 mons more through fusions

[rough hound]

That being said, tomorrow im gonna get to the prevos. They aint getting left behind

[rough hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1tikal-penguinz0-meme-woo-yeah-baby-gif-19316511

[rough hound]

Allow me to add a few =3

[plush bough]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-salandit-love-hearts-gif-13428074

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-world-velociraptor-clever-gif-25116052

[rough hound]

Dont they not do gender evos in this game?

Because if so. Theres a nearly 90% chance your salazzle is gonna be a dude

[frail jolt]

male salazzle fusion

[plush bough]

Would that be possible? 🤔 also the gender is not relevant to me xD after fusing some even loose their gender or switch it 🤣

[hard kiln]

dude-azzle!

[frail jolt]

male salazzle fusion

[rough hound]

Im simply stating a fact. Salandit has an 87.5% chance to be a dude

[plush bough]

When I can make this into a sprite I'm happy xD

[hard kiln]

at least it makes sense why only female salandit can evolve.

[frail jolt]

yvatal/moltress

[hard kiln]

salazzle moltres

[frail jolt]

or yvatal salazzle

[hard kiln]

that would be asking too much. that requires 2 votes to go perfectly xD

salazzle moltres only requires us to vote salazzle.

[green yew]

Yes
but think about it
bacon birb

[frail jolt]

salazzle fusions also cinder

[sharp sphinx]

why is it blushing in one of those

[frail jolt]

idk

[mild sedge]

vote NGS Trio or this kills you in your sleep

[sturdy breach]

mornin

[mild sedge]

It’s past midnight in est but morning
wait.

[frail jolt]

it can try

[sturdy breach]

07:16 in NL so yeah 🙂

[frail jolt]

sleep is for the weak

[mild sedge]

I fall asleep at like 4

but I wake up at 12 and miss like the entire morning

[sturdy breach]

Will this also help for your propaganda BTW? 🙂

[frail jolt]

yep

gardavor/salazzle

[sturdy breach]

I think a couple of days ago people suggested Salazzle + Lopunny for Juri Han

[frail jolt]

huh ok

[sturdy breach]

Cause of the thighs I guess

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-oh-yeah-okay-ok-yeah-gif-15057778

[sturdy breach]

Though let's not get too carried away and get banned for violating rule2

[frail jolt]

i know do not make sus fusions

[sturdy breach]

nor sus convos 🙂

[frail jolt]

right

[sturdy breach]

Just gonna leave this here while chat is slow 🙂

[white meadow]

That escalated quickly

[frail jolt]

i think i would only replace Altaria with Palossand

[white meadow]

Why does it have booba

[frail jolt]

idk

[white meadow]

Btw Salazzle/Scolipede

[frail jolt]

nice

[lone dome]

Oooo

[slate gazelle]

Where can you fill those out?

[sturdy breach]

If someone has the empty version I think they would be happy to share. (I saved over it) Took the sprites from the poll with the snipping tool and pasted it into mspaint haha

[frail jolt]

Wilderness Survivor or Lily Pad lad if only one had to take 3 slot for you witch one

[sturdy breach]

For me? Shiftry cause tengu.

[hot grove]

i see boobs

[frail jolt]

sorry

[sturdy breach]

It's part of anatomy don't have to make it weird people.

[hot grove]

Just saying because from what I've seen the mods are very strict when it comes to Rule 2 with pokemon

[sturdy breach]

Yea I know

[hot grove]

Also i dont think pokemon have them anyway

[frail jolt]

miltank

[sturdy breach]

The reference does though, but that's enough about that 🙂

[hot grove]

Udders are different

[rough hound]

Nuzleaf has nipples, i dont wanna see those implemented into sprites. Gotta give the spot to ludicolo

So i dont sound insane, proof in both 2d and 3d

[frail jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-after-school-special-star-shooting-star-gif-5840911

[rough hound]

Lmao yeah, they had literally no reason to add that detail but they did

[frail jolt]

does Nuzleaf break rule 2 huh?

[rough hound]

I feel like it takes either excessive detail or malicious/horny intent to break rule 2

[lone dome]

Does regular Miltank break rule 2?

[sharp sphinx]

nope

[plush bough]

Made the reversed Gardevoir/Salazzle Fusion here xD but since it was before joining IF Server it wasn't fully after IF Rules. With Salazzle in IFI'd change that xD

[sturdy breach]

How did the porygon-z lopunny fusion not get bonked though

[plush bough]

Or Porygon-Z/Gardevoir xD

[frail jolt]

that brings up a good question about the shapely Pokemon on the vote list how to not break rule 2 then if its a problem

[sturdy breach]

Just look at the Lopunny and Gardevoir ones for reference?

[frail jolt]

cause the Pokémon company had know problem making them that way in the first place as long as you don't go to far in the wrong direction it should be ok

[sturdy breach]

Aye

[hot grove]

The malware site one?

Ig cuz the sprite itself isnt actually explicit its just the punchline that is

So if you dont get it then no harm done

[frail jolt]

so what part of female like pokemon would rule 2 have beef with? cause its not thighs

lopunny can atest to that

[hot grove]

Ig probably boobis since pokemon dont usually have that

Only times its sort of allowed are for mons like Jynx and Nidoqueen, but those are more of plates

[sturdy breach]

I think it's on a case to case basis as well, if you think it might break rule2 you might want to tune it down a notch (kinda like that)

[hot grove]

Probably

Idrk enough about how moderating sprites works, just the sprites that actually get through and whatnot

[sinful sky]

Here's my choices (In no particular order outside of Relicanth). The more prehistoric Pokemon, the better imo

[hot grove]

I like drampa and archeops
They are cool

[frail jolt]

so as long as plating is covering the chest hmm ok good point

tropius yha

[sinful sky]

I really want to stick bananas on every fusion

[hot grove]

I almost thought "on" was "in"

[sturdy breach]

I can live with this 🙂 Am missing the most efficient Ice-type line but it is what it is 🙂

[frail jolt]

fruit pokemon

[sinful sky]

See, you all get it

[hot grove]

Also where is aurorus

[sturdy breach]

Also, you kinda have to ditch a slot for Sableye cause it's already confirmed

[sinful sky]

Ugh, that's right

Picking just twenty is too hard

[sturdy breach]

yup

[drowsy elm]

They gave way too many good options to just pick twenty honestly, it sucks that the engine has such limits

[rough hound]

I think thats the one with the ad right? If so, i dont think there was malintent there. It was just funny lol

[frail jolt]

Sableye/Lucario heh

[sturdy breach]

It's rule2 breaking in nature tho?

[hot grove]

Tbf the sprite itself doesnt break any rules
The punchline is borderline but if you dont understand it then you cant really think anything of it besides "lmao"

[sturdy breach]

Not that I don't find it a funny sprite though. at that point you are playing fast and loose with the rule

[rough hound]

Yes, but it wasnt made for the purpose of being sus. It was made to make fun of popup ads, and there was really nothing explicit about it.

[frail jolt]

where are the rules kept now

[rough hound]

#rules

[sturdy breach]

To quote the part of the rule it would break (without the h word) "and absolutely no mentions of anything H whatsoever, even as a joke"

[native nebula]

But Seedot.

https://tenor.com/view/seedot-gif-25300956

[sturdy breach]

In the end, I'm not bothered by it. It makes the rules very blurry to what is or isn't acceptable

[drowsy elm]

what sprite are you guys talking about?

[sturdy breach]

Porygon-z/Lopunny and porygon-z/Gardevoir basically

[drowsy elm]

this one?

[sturdy breach]

Nah, the I think default one

this one for example