Glockmaker

[elfin panther]

Those are total parts not functional parts

SAA has 20-30 funtional while the makarov has 27

[real bronze]

Sorry, I meant total parts in the first one

[real bronze]

Though, I do feel like this talk is kinda moot. Either way, I'm happy there is a modern weaponry mod.

[elfin panther]

Hm now that I think about it…

The SAA would be pretty hard to figure out to model low poly

Probably would have to use a lot of hexagons

[wicked parrot]

the modeling of a revolver has always been one of the biggest gaps to cross for me

[elfin panther]

It’s a good thing it had a hexagonal barrel option

And I think we should maybe look over to VPB for some ideas

[wicked parrot]

vbp?

[elfin panther]

Vic point blank

I’m thinking of like a hexagonal cylinder

With square holes for the bullets

[wicked parrot]

modeling and animation are definitely my least favorite parts of the mod, so we'll see how it goes

especially with revolvers needing so many animation states, they will likely be among the last things done, unfortunately

[elfin panther]

I love modeling, but I’m not a good scripter

[elfin panther]

Yknow that one revolver right?

Where you could reload by removing the cylinder

[wicked parrot]

there's a couple i'm pretty sure, but i'm familiar with the concept

[elfin panther]

I think if we were to do revolvers

That would be the first one

Since it would be a lot easier…

[wicked parrot]

oh no, i could 100% code a working revolver that reloads individual rounds

the other doesn't really solve the issue of needing 6 firing animations

[elfin panther]

6 for each shot?

[wicked parrot]

1 for each chamber position

[elfin panther]

It’s fine to reuse animations for each shot

[wicked parrot]

ah but you see, with the hexagonal barrel, the rotation will be off

and that will make me either irrationally angry or do nothing

we'll see when we get there

[elfin panther]

Well we could do a octagon

Or a nanogon

[wicked parrot]

the slots won't line up on an octagon

[elfin panther]

Hmm…

[wicked parrot]

i realize how popular the idea of a revolver is, but damn if it isn't the most complex to implement

[elfin panther]

Decagon? But I thinks that’s too high def

[wicked parrot]

i will definitely be trying to pull it off, don't get me wrong

[elfin panther]

I know dw

Got faith in ya

[wicked parrot]

but gonna be trying to get the semi-automatics done first

since i actually know how those are gonna be handled

[elfin panther]

Steyr M1912 first pistol? Or a fictionalized Glock

[wicked parrot]

i feel like i gotta stick with the joke name i picked

[elfin panther]

Lol

[wicked parrot]

wouldn't be able to call it glockmaker if i dropped the glock

[elfin panther]

True

And I’d suggest doing the first gens

Lot less stuff going on so that makes it easier

[wicked parrot]

anyway, since i don't think i actually said fully what's coming in the next update here...

• pump action shotgun (steel)
• meteoric iron version of the bolt action rifle
• bronze age lever action carbines and matching lower caliber rounds
• ground storage for bullets and shells
• like one bugfix i found
• you can fire the bolt action without needing to cycle it first
• bolt action damage 16 > 20
• idk probably something else

[elfin panther]

Nice!

[wicked parrot]

pretty much everything is done, i just need to make the recipes and parts for the shotgun and shells, and maybe do some testing on the lever actions as they seem a bit more finicky than the other two

[elfin panther]

I’m guessing manual?

[wicked parrot]

they work fine, they just require some manuvering

of course

the manual action was one of the few things i actually had planned for what i wanted going in

[elfin panther]

Alr

[wicked parrot]

seeing it work... i won't say well, but enough is pretty cool

[elfin panther]

Wanna see the progress on my single shot shotgun?

[wicked parrot]

sure

[elfin panther]

What do you think so far?

I’m not all that happy with the foregrip

[wicked parrot]

pretty nice model

wish i had the patience for 3d modeling

[grizzled agate]

does look good

[wicked parrot]

i'll be completely honest and say that most of the models in my mod use maltiez' as a base lol

[grizzled agate]

lol

[elfin panther]

I had to go completely custom with mine

[wicked parrot]

this is... very apparent with the lever actions

[elfin panther]

May I see?

[elfin panther]

Oh wow you were right

[wicked parrot]

the bossi already had the shape man

[elfin panther]

It’s definitely unique

[wicked parrot]

i may fill out the stock so it doesn't have that L shape though

[elfin panther]

What do you use to model?

[wicked parrot]

vs model creator

[elfin panther]

I’ll have to use that instead then

[wicked parrot]

it's definitely a little harder to use than other programs, but it also exports directly to a usable file

[elfin panther]

What file is it?

[wicked parrot]

a json that vs can actually read

[elfin panther]

VSMC single shot progress

[real bronze]

Oh, I have a single barrel shotgun.

[elfin panther]

@wicked parrot what do you think so far?\

found how to round out the reciver top and its pretty good

[elfin panther]

I was thinking of maybe having two versions of it

Once you craft the full thing you could take the saw and turn it into a sawn off

[elfin panther]

Also, gorg if you could, can you send me some textures for firearms in dms?

[wicked parrot]

oh, textures are actually super easy

its quite literally just the vanilla textures

[elfin panther]

I’m horrible at texturing lol

I think my single shot might just remain textureless forever

[jagged ore]

you're fogetting something important

[real bronze]

Hmm?

[jagged ore]

semi-automatic mechanisms based on things like blowback all call for an industrial-scale production of smokeless gunpowder

which is extremely dangerous and quite unwieldy for the level of technology we have in vs atm

a revolver is more tolerant of differences in powder burnrates (to an extent...) and won't jam fatally as a semi-automatic does

[real bronze]

Never forgot about that, but I didn't think it would be important.

Reason why I say blow-back pistol is simple is because of the useage of smokeless powder which is much cleaner compared to blackpowder, and in somr cases, binary powder loads (smokeless/blackpowder mixes).

[jagged ore]

i mean, again, jams/malfunctions are still more comparatively likely with a semi-automatic magazine-fed pistol as compared to a revolver

but hey thats just what i think

its not necessarily 100% true 100% of the time

but it depends on the level of precision machining and measuring you can achieve

just my one cent

i dont have anyth more to say and i dont rly feel like continuing this discussion that long

[real bronze]

Don't worry, actually, Hiram Maxim, the person who made the Maxim Machine gun, was originally made for blackpowder cartridges.

But what I'm worried is about that of how to make primers, as well as cartridges.

[jagged ore]

yeah, primers are also very dangerous to produce and it would all need a chemistry overhaul

[wicked parrot]

don't think too hard about it

i will probably not be touching on long chem crafting trees, at least for this mod

[wicked parrot]

if you think about it, all the claims that the bolt action jams or doesn't work sometimes would be lore accurate with black powder

[grizzled agate]

i don't think revolvers can "jam" in the proper sense of the word

if it doesn't work it just doesn't work

bc for example a piece of broken

but the cylinder wont just not rotate

unless of course theres random things blocking the mechanism

but i'm not sure its a jam

it could not shoot but either the firing pin would be broken, one of the part allowing the hammer to strike is broken or just theres some sand in the way or something

[plucky glade]

paper cartridges for good?

[jagged ore]

true

it can malfunction but not really jam

[grizzled agate]

its either its completly broken and needs fixing or it just works

OR STUPID SAND IN THE DAMN REVOLVER

i bet you sand getting in the revolver was a problem

[elfin panther]

Or it’s the ammo

[plucky epoch]

Yes. Two parchments and 12 blastpowder for one. 10 uses each.

[plucky epoch]

In any firearm is. The Lorenzoni would literally explode your hand if anything got in the mechanism

[grizzled agate]

WELL THATS NOT GOOD

[grizzled agate]

would the ammo really be that much of a problem if its the right caliber and a squib/too high pressure for the gun to handle ?

in semi autos if the pressure is too low it doesn't cycle and theres a lower treshold for overpressured ammo right ?

[elfin panther]

It’s more so the primer

Sometimes the primer can be an absolute dud

[real bronze]

Nope, actually, it's the blackpowder fowling up the cyclinder, so much so, that you couldn't cock the piece unless the base pin was cleaned thoroughly, unless you do the Mike Bellevue Special.

[plucky glade]

For maltiez guns or separate?

[plucky epoch]

Separate

[grizzled agate]

i forgot pirmers existed

[grizzled agate]

i also forgot about blackpowder fouling

[real bronze]

Yup, a problem on my end when I go out shooting with my blackpowder revolvers.

[real bronze]

Sometimes, I hope to see this mod in the up and coming RubixRaptor Vintage Story Playthrough.

[elfin panther]

It would be cool, but I think the cycling system is a bit finicky atm

I like the idea, just needs some polishing

[real bronze]

Don't worry, it'll be some time, but I personally think if given the chance, he would go for the revolver and some caplock, early self-contained cartridge weapon systems.

Thoughts?

[elfin panther]

I think he would like that kind of stuff

If only I could figure out how to texture my model 😅

[real bronze]

Don't worry, you got time, until then, keep on fighting the good fight, and have fun while doing it, ok?

Also, do you think he will go for the extra-firearms mod?

[elfin panther]

For sure

Nock volly gun is too good to pass up

[real bronze]

True, and the halls rifle is the closes thing he'll get for a Fergusen Rifle.

[elfin panther]

I think once I figure out the texture thing, my gun will be the most modern thing

But that depends on if anyone would actually be willing to take it, animate it, and code it

Because I do NOT know how to do any of that

[real bronze]

Huh, why not ask around, noticed that some folks are working to get the desert mod set for Rubix.

Also, side tangent, for some no reason, it reminds me of Grave/Digger.

Don't know why, but it does.

[real bronze]

Anyways, good night.

[elfin panther]

Goodnight

[wicked parrot]

alright lads, i may have found the source of the gun's inconsistencies

or at least, they seem a lot more consistent after the fix

[wicked parrot]

new update is out, changelog can be found both on the mod page and... right here

• Added Lever-Action Carbines of all bronze variants
  • Added 9mm bullets for use with these carbines
• Renamed the old cased bullets to .308 bullets
• Added Pump-Action Shotgun made from steel
  • Added Shotgun Shells
• Added Ground Storage for .308 and 9mm bullets
• Fixed an animation issue causing some issues
• CTRL alone no longer opens the guns, instead use CTRL + RMB
• idk probably something else that i forgor

[junior magnet]

The weapon controls are unnecessarily complicated and don't work properly. I press the buttons exactly as instructed, but the weapon doesn't reload.

[wicked parrot]

have you rebound your sprint key?

[wicked parrot]

if it is, use the key you've bound sprint to instead of CTRL

[clear field]

Could you make it so you can rebind the gun controls? I rebound sprint to shift and it feels weird to hold sprint to do some of the actions.

[junior magnet]

I have the sprint function set to Ctrl; do I need to change it to make it work?

[wicked parrot]

no, it should work perfectly fine then

[junior magnet]

It should work, too bad it doesn't xd

[wicked parrot]

just to make sure, you are pressing both CTRL and RMB at the same time, yeah?

[junior magnet]

yes

[stable hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1457228136621277350/1458332067191329022/togif.gif

[alpine orchid]

its intuitive/makes sense once you figure it out the first time and get used to it. press control+left click to open the gun and then hold right click to put bullets in it (for the bolt action) and when the bullets are in it press left click to chamber the rifle

should be able to aim and fire once its chambered

pretty sure pumping/loading the shotgun also works exactly the same

[junior magnet]

Ready, there was an error caused by another weapon mod that didn't let it work correctly

[junior magnet]

By the way, the shotgun is wonderful, please don't nerf it

[sullen spoke]

After fiddling with the guns, the intended controls make sense (and are p tactile with both mouse inputs), but does feel clunky at times.

For example, trying to pump a shotgun too quickly to cycle an empty shell just gives u back a normal shell, and I think it might mostly just be ‘feedback’. Visual or audio/sfx idk, but it feels like some inputs aren’t registered when I know they have been

Imo the lever action is the biggest offender cause it seems like it doesn’t register half my inputs for cocking, I think this mod has good bones and solid potential, but def needs a pass on input feedback or response

(Do love it so far so I’m keen to see how this goes!)

[marble burrow]

could you add a way to rebind your keys to reload the rifle and shotgun? the current one is really clunky and i wanna customise how i reload

and its worse in combat because if you have to run and are trying to shoot you can accidentally start reloading mid run

i do enjoy the mod though

[wicked parrot]

that does make sense, didn't really think about that one

i'll put it on the list of things to do for the next update

[marble burrow]

also is there any word on when the revolver will be done?

[jagged ore]

between now and the red giant phase of our Sun

[tawny quest]

also your shotgun shell ammo doesn't work

also suprisingly the pump action shotgun is faster to use then ther bolty

and someone how does more damage

double head takes 2 shots from shotgun and 3 from bolty

[grizzled agate]

two of your points makes no sense my good sir @tawny quest

a pump action is DEFINITLY faster than a bolt action and of course the shotgun does more damage in its effective range

[wicked parrot]

if you're referring to slugs, yeah they aren't programmed, hence why they don't have a recipe and aren't obtainable in survival

[wicked parrot]

not to mention the shotgun is a steel age weapon, while the bolt action is iron

almost like the later age weapons are better or something

[real bronze]

Not exactly, but if were a betting man, I assume the bolt action is taking cues from the Dreyse needle guns/Chassepot rifles?

Wrought iron, maybe, but steel is nice as well. Personally, I was going to talk about how pressure gauge for cartridge was going to make the difference.

But then I remembered durability

[wicked parrot]

the model and general function is based on the m1903

[real bronze]

Either way, still a good mod.

Still, somewhat fumble with handling it, but I think I'll get there.

[wicked parrot]

the handling has definitely improved since initial release

[real bronze]

Can't wait for the revolver though.

[wicked parrot]

revolver eventually™

my main issue with that one is just gonna be model and animation tbh

[real bronze]

We'll wait then, take your time.

[wicked parrot]

next up are probably going to be the semi-automatics, as the code can be pretty similar to the existing guns

also gonna try some alternate loading methods for the magazines that i think might be cool

essentially magazines are planned to be loaded manually like the powder flask in the base firearms mod, and the gun will just read its durability

[real bronze]

Makes sense, more easier since the necessary action are usually loading the magazine and pulling back the slide.

Do recommend that if the gun isn't empty, and has one round in the chamaber, do not pull back on the slide, just replace the magazine with a fresh one, and you're good to go.

[wicked parrot]

also leads to the interaction of the magazines not stacking, so you gotta plan out whether you want more overall bullets or more faster reloads

[real bronze]

Makes sense, giving it the old Apocalypse rising inventory slot.

[undone moon]

Is there any plan to make a blueprint for assembly as an alternative to having the tinkerer trait?

[wicked parrot]

i've thought about it

idk about schematics or blueprints, but i was thinking of potentially having ruined versions of bronze/iron guns that you could find

obviously tinkerer would no longer be required for ammo if i did that

or maybe you would buy ammo from traders

[spring ledge]

Now I'm imagining cool ways to find the firearm scraps

[jagged ore]

guns from the ||resonance archive||

[wicked parrot]

i did think about putting a schematic in there at one point, but at the same time i don't really want to alter story locations with my mod

[median geode]

think about the homo sapiens player, let them shoot the bear terrorizing them 300 times

(mag dump, reload, mag dump)

[wicked parrot]

lol

that's part of it, but i also don't want to force people to reload chunks if they retroactively add the mod

[lapis pier]

hmmm

chaingun.

would be funny

but that seems rather complex, at least with the detail in this mod

[spring ledge]

I mean

[real bronze]

You know they have that in rust shells, but as an emplaced weapon.

[spring ledge]

Very nice~

[wicked parrot]

i've mentioned it a couple of times, but a machine gun equivilant made from jonas parts is not off the table

[marble burrow]

what is rust shells?

[wicked parrot]

i've not personally used it, but i'm pretty sure it adds a bunch of seige weapons and emplacements

so stuff like cannons, gatling guns, etc.

[marble burrow]

ah okay

[jagged ore]

@wicked parrot will copper bullet options be coming?

pleaasee gorg i need this

my lead deposits kinda nonexistent

i wanna shoot up drifters

[wicked parrot]

perhaps, would need to tear up the ammo handling to do it

[jagged ore]

pleaseee pretty please

name a price

/lh

[gusty bolt]

please speed all i need is a modern-ish pistol

even just a webley

[spring ledge]

BF 1 peacekeeper is still haunting me

[jagged ore]

lever action already exists

[viscid marten]

hey any updates?

[real bronze]

Nope, and don't pressure him.

Might end up doing it slower out of spite.

[wicked parrot]

hmm, i have been described as a very spiteful creature...

[real bronze]

See

[jagged ore]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/754607880359116824/1101720456555397220/caption-1.gif

[plucky epoch]

Will we get some .22?

[spring ledge]

A varmint rifle would be cool, small game beware

[plucky epoch]

I was shot with a 22. when young. It now looks like I have a third nipple.

[median geode]

Huh

[real bronze]

No pointing barrel at anybody, period.

My God that made me cringe.

[grizzled agate]

i mean unless you wanna kill the guy but thats also not a very good idea

[real bronze]

No, I refering to the four cardinal rules of shooting:

1. Treat your gun as it is loaded

2. Always point the business end away from anything you don't want to destory.

3. Finger off trigger unless you're going to shoot.

And lastly, 4. Be aware of what you're shooting, as well as those behind them, we don't want unintended casualties.

Had this drilled into me by a firearma instructor.

[grizzled agate]

i know

as a gun nut its kinda impossible to not know those

[real bronze]

Good, still, a shame the guy got shot by accident.

A shooters worst nightmare right there.

[grizzled agate]

thank GOD it was .22

[real bronze]

Not sure to be honest, but to be honest, a more forgiving round to be shot at, but still a valid gunshot wound, and 1k worth of medical bills.

At minimum.

[grizzled agate]

i mean at least but much less lethal than alot of other rounds

still absolutly is if you get hit in a wrong spot tho

[real bronze]

Yup

[alpine orchid]

this is called Midwestern Fun

🙏

[plucky epoch]

It wasn't an accident. A man with a scoped bolt-action .22 was hunting protected birds near our field, when I passed by and saw him he shot me to avoid any repercussions, luckily my cousins were with me.

[real bronze]

Were you packing as well?

[plucky epoch]

No, I was only 13.

[real bronze]

Also, court must've been something.

[plucky epoch]

That I don't know.

[real bronze]

At least you survived attempted murder.

Also, was the hunter, at least, arrested/caught?

[plucky epoch]

I think not.

It was in a giant reforestation area and he ran deep.

I remember someone tried to chase him with a pickaxe.

[real bronze]

Hopefully they'll get him soon.

[wicked parrot]

alright, finally getting to a couple of small things, new update coming soon™

plan is to get full compatibility with quivers and sheaths for the guns, unsure if ammo will be viable but i'll look into it. also located a "bug" with lever action carbine damage so that'll be fixed as well

not planning on working on any new guns until 1.22 fully releases just in case it changes some stuff with the code or something, would rather rework on script than two

that's the plan for now, is all

[jagged ore]

yippee!

praying for copper ammo

[wicked parrot]

perchance, i would need to rip up a lot of how loading is handled for copper ammo unfortunately

my code is, in a word "bad" and the current system can only handle one ammo type per gun

[median geode]

You cant just say perchance

[wicked parrot]

"everyone knows that mario is cool as fuck"

[elfin panther]

Just like VSMC

My god I hate it I hate it I hate it

[wicked parrot]

not sure what that is lmao

[elfin panther]

Vintage story model creator

If you use it, you can understand

[wicked parrot]

oh

yeah

[elfin panther]

Not being able to select multiple parts…

[wicked parrot]

it is, in a word, "bad"

[elfin panther]

Trying to zoom in but it makes your camera SLOW

[wicked parrot]

i thought you were talking about something else and the one ammo type per gun lmao

[elfin panther]

lol

[wicked parrot]

god damn the camera controls are so ass

[elfin panther]

Id also say the texturing is too

[wicked parrot]

i agree with this wholeheartedly

[elfin panther]

And the animating thing…

Dear god it’s confusing

And why isn’t there a speed control

[wicked parrot]

bro i don't even use it for texturing, i legitimately just texture it in the json

far easier

[elfin panther]

Idk how to do that so I just give the model out and let the others do the rest

[wicked parrot]

lmao fair

[elfin panther]

So far only my single shot is done modeling wise

AR-18 still needs size adjustments and the foregrip, stock…

And buncha other stuff

[violet canyon]

I cant use it man, hurts my soul
I understand

[violet canyon]

Not webleys, But perhaps simular vibed enough for you to enjoy looking at.

[gusty bolt]

YAY, HANDGUNS!!!

[spring ledge]

Roll up on that hare with the ol' big iron

[obtuse surge]

Can’t wait to see a Lewis Gun

[gusty bolt]

real

[agile hatch]

OH MY GODDD

[vale oracle]

Would new variants of existing guns be possible before 1.22, such as iron and steel lever action carbines and steel bolt action rifles?

[vale oracle]

Having actually attempted to hunt something with this mod now, man the guns feel as under powered as guns in ARK: survival evolved do

[wicked parrot]

which gun? there is a bug that i need to fix with the lever action making it do 4 damage instead of 10

[vale oracle]

Both the lever action and bolt action, even with the .308's damage increased to 45 a deer somehow wasn't downed in one shot

IIRC it was a chital deer, but might have been a different variety with climate overlap

[wicked parrot]

ah, yeah that's because of some of this, my code has a lot of weird workarounds

essentially, the ammo consumed by the gun is not the same as the actual projectile and by extension the stats of the projectile

so .308 gets converted into the regular firearms mod bullets. this was done because if it doesn't do that, you would pick up cased bullets if you missed

so buffing the damage of .308 doesn't do anything to impact the actual performance of the gun

[vale oracle]

I've picked up uncased bullets and pellets while using this funny enough

[wicked parrot]

aye

[vale oracle]

Not sure why the 9m turned into pellets

[wicked parrot]

because that's what is used to craft them

but yeah, that's also the source of lever actions dealing less damage

i forgor about it while adding them so the 10 damage 9mm bullet gets converted into the 4 damage pellet and the gun does not account for that

so it does a lot less damage than is supposed to

[vale oracle]

Isn't it possible to make projectiles never drop?

Or would that interfere with recovering spent casings?

[wicked parrot]

it uses whatever projectile system the firearms mod/combat overhaul uses, so its a limitation of that mod

[vale oracle]

I've never recovered a projectile from base firearms mod weapons though

[wicked parrot]

i don't know the exact ins and outs of it, but its not really within my control either way

it happens if you miss

i can't speak for you, but i've definitely recovered bullets and especially pellets while using the firearms mod

[vale oracle]

Weird

[lofty parrot]

Set their gravity affectness in json to 0

[wicked parrot]

i... don't think that's the drop being used in this context

[lofty parrot]

Ah

I wanted to add a config option for it, at one point...

[vale oracle]

In this case we were talking about projectile recovery

[noble ledge]

how do i use the guns? non of the key binds do anything

and yes i have sprint rebound and i tried using that key to and nothing

[noble ledge]

the controls do work right?

[wicked parrot]

they should work just fine

[noble ledge]

if tried control and alt right click and the bolt dosent open or anything

[noble ledge]

screen shot if it helps

[wicked parrot]

running version 1.1.0, right?

[noble ledge]

yes

with one click install

on a creative single player world

[noble ledge]

any idea whats wrong?

[wicked parrot]

hmm

are you running any other mods?

i've never experienced any issues with controls personally, and have never been able to replicate them

[sullen spoke]

Can't check rn, but are the keybinds for Glockmaker in your settings and changeable? If so maybe they have overlapping keybinds or might've been set to null somehow?

[wicked parrot]

they are not confugurable, no

[sullen spoke]

yeah that's p weird then

[wicked parrot]

they use the input system for CO, which makes even less sense as those mods still work

[noble ledge]

heres my mods

im testing it now with just the mods needed for glockmaker (ie malteze firarms combat overhaul)

wait hold on i got it working

i switched my sprint back to control instead of alt

and now it opens but after i loaded 1 and fired now i cant load

[noble ledge]

ok so it works about 5% of the time the other 95% nothing works

[noble ledge]

i can get it to this stage but it wont load ammo it just lowers the gun

wait no its working now i just had to hold control left and right mouse to load it

it works but i must say its VERY finicky

[wicked parrot]

ah, yeah its set to not receive inputs while alt is pressed so that you can interact with things

[noble ledge]

that kinda sucks i have had my sprint set to alt for ages because its more comfortable

[noble ledge]

never mind i was wrong just took a sec to get used to

[noble ledge]

is therre a way to disable this?

[wicked parrot]

there is not, it's hard coded and causes issues if it's not there

[noble ledge]

how? you can just change unlock mouse to a diffrent key

[vale oracle]

I have sprint on alt and didn't have any issues other than finding the need for such inputs mildly annoying

[wooden wigeon]

do someone knows when is the next update

[wicked parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/wouldnt-you-like-to-know-weather-boy-gif-15559185

[dark cedar]

XD

[verbal lintel]

Just discovered this mod like 5 mins ago during a desperate search for modern guns for VS, left a comment on the mod page but just wanted to drop it here too that i would like to donate to you as a thx for making my dreams come true

[wicked parrot]

uhh

i appreciate the sentiment, but i'm not entirely sure about how i feel about it. idk the idea of money being involved puts a lot of pressure on me as a developer, and my code is already scuffed and slightly buggy as is. i also don't have anything set up at the time to even accept donations

but still, it means a lot to hear that you like the mod as much as you do 🫀

[spiral trail]

Gorg, do you think we might be able to get a 1911 and a C96?

[vale oracle]

Fun idea, but I think the mod would need it's own bullets first to make the difference of two different pistols meaningful

Having a 9mm M1911 but not a 45ACP one would be heresy after all, but having both calibers as options would be fine

[manic bloom]

Actually, I should see about making something to add different bullet production methods for every mod to use.

You've got a few options that span the years.

[vale oracle]

Casting is the most practical for the scale one would be making ammunition in game, which is what we already have

[wicked parrot]

we shall see, i wouldn't expect many actual historical gun models. the mod more hits generic ideas for the categories

[plucky epoch]

Colt revolving rifle? Winchester 1895?

[plucky epoch]

Shiloh Sharps Model 1874 Hartford in .50-90 Sharps.

[manic bloom]

Hey, sometimes you need thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Drifters are always a pain.

[vale oracle]

Solution: a very big bullet mold, or just use a lot of normal size ones
A mechanically automated melting and casting system perhaps?
Automatic press to shape nuggets/bits of pure metals into bullets?

[manic bloom]

Actually I was thinking of borrowing the required shape for a building stuff from beehive kilns, etc, to make drop towers a thing.

Make a copper sieve for the correct caliber, then drop molten lead through it into a pit of water down below.

The required shape would allow a requirement that it be tall enough - probably 40 blocks.

[clear field]

Other solution; shot towers.

[vale oracle]

Not really worth the effort in normal game play, would probably also be more of a pain to code

[clear field]

If you really think about it, it would perform just like an ingot mold, just significantly larger.

Poor in liquid, give it time, extract result

[vale oracle]

So what you're saying is that implementing them would be a waste of effort because normal casting does the same thing with less effort on everyones part

[clear field]

Not saying for casings. I’m talking about more/less for the bullets to put into the casings

Bullet is the projectile.

[vale oracle]

Casting bullets is still objectively the better option for the scale of production people are going to be needing in-game

[clear field]

This is casting lol, a shot tower is literally a tower for pouring liquid lead to make balls in bulk

When I play in a server, needing to cast 50+ molds of bullets takes too long and too time consuming

A shot tower would allow you to make ammunition in bulk and have it last for a long time

[vale oracle]

1: This mods guns shouldn't even be using spherical bullets
2: conventional casting is all you need for typical ammo production in VS

[clear field]

This is technically conventional casting

[vale oracle]

No it isn't

It's not casting at all because there is no cast

[clear field]

I guess you’re right on this

Just an option to do something in bulk seems a lot more appealing than 50 molds.

Like the difference between a beehive kiln and a pit kiln

[vale oracle]

Realistically you shouldn't need 50 molds for the scale of VS anyway

[clear field]

I enjoy making things in bulk. You’d be surprised how fast a crate of bullets goes away when you play with multiple people

If you play alone, molds are a option for small quantities

Play with many other players? Shot towers to do it in bulk

[vale oracle]

For single shot weapons, the molds already produce a lot, Glockmaker uses smaller bullets which you get more of per mold

Only problem is that the weapons aren't really balanced in a way that makes them use their ammo with a proper level of efficiency

[clear field]

If you only shot a few times a trip yes, but a lot of my friends end up using firearms are their primary source of all damage. Especially in PvP. 32 bullets or the 16 slugs you get in a stack is too little for one small mining trip. Not to mention the fact 6+ people need ammunition, the number racks up extremely fast.

Haven’t used Glockmaker on a server yet, but I’m imagining the issue would be even greater

Due to the volume of fire many of the weapons give you

[vale oracle]

The bolt-action and maybe shotgun(didn't use it) are the only ones really worth using, lever actions were just far too weak when I tried using them

[clear field]

Isn’t there a bug currently that makes the lever action do significantly less damage?

[vale oracle]

bug + choice to use an unsuitable projectile IIRC

[clear field]

I see

Either way I’m just proposing a way to mass produce ammunition, a more late game method. Not a replacement for the current one

[vale oracle]

In theory, the bolt action kills most animals in 1-3 shots

[vale oracle]

Something mechanical in nature would make the most sense for this mod in particular

Melt lead, cast it into thin rods, cut into sections of the needed length, press to shape, or just let the machine press metal bits for the sake of simplicity

[clear field]

Maybe a form of press for the casings?

And the shot tower for the actual projectiles

[vale oracle]

For modern/semi-modern firearms? No.

[clear field]

I mean, doesn’t Glockmaker use the Firearm’s mod’s shots?

Just put into casings?

[vale oracle]

Yes, but IIRC that's because the author either doesn't know how to or doesn't feel like making their own projectiles for the time being

[clear field]

I see, if the mod were to use its own bullet heads I understand having a form of mechanical cutter to make them into shape

[vale oracle]

A mechanical press would make the most sense to go for regardless in my opinion, much more space efficient, adds more reason to make and use mechanical energy sources

[spring ledge]

Iron tier manual press, steel or higher mechanical press?~

[clear field]

I do like that, and the thought of not having to wait for something to cool down

Fast-efficient

Or would it have to function while something is hot?

So it’s softer to blow?

[vale oracle]

I'd say make both like the quern: mechanical with the option of manual operation

[vale oracle]

Lead and copper can both be cold worked IRL, and making them into bullets is simple enough

[clear field]

I see

[vale oracle]

Could probably also cold form bronze and brass bullets as well

[wicked parrot]

[wicked parrot]

lever action is currently bugged, it does not do its intended damage

it is supposed to deal 10, instead it does 4

but yeah, to address... all of that stuff above, i'm pretty happy with the current production of the ammunition as it stands. i don't think an ammunition press or shot tower is necessary

i also would much rather spend my effort coding the actual weapons rather than blocks to make the ammo making process different

[gilded pine]

Sir revolver when

[wicked parrot]

revolver is planned for eventually™

[gilded pine]

Will you be using it like Flintlock ?
offhand and all ?

[wicked parrot]

currently, i'm waiting for the game update (and mods it depends on) so i don't have to rewrite as much stuff. then i'm gonna be working on the semi-automatics from there

if i can get them to work in the offhand, then they will work in offhand, though i'm not entirely sure how it handles the firing states in the offhand

[gilded pine]

So i can expect it on a stable version ?

[wicked parrot]

i will only be releasing the mod for stable game versions, so yeah

[gilded pine]

alright hope to see your update soon
you mod is quite nice

[tight heron]

Glock

[wicked parrot]

maker, even

[plucky epoch]

A single shot shotgun for brass age, and double barrel for iron.

[spring ledge]

M30 Luftwaffe Drilling when 👀

[wicked parrot]

the current state of shotguns might be a little much for bronze age lol

but yes, DBS for iron age eventually

[tight canopy]

Minigun

That way I can actually hit you

[wicked parrot]

special trait so you specifically can't make it

[tight canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

[elfin panther]

If you want I can give you my kind of unfinished single shot model

I have no further use for it

Though a downside is that it was all made in VSMC so I don’t know how well it’ll translate to blockbench

Since the last time I ported my gunmodel the AR-18 turned into blocks

[vale oracle]

It's black powder, bronze and brass can handle it

[wicked parrot]

im talking from a game balance standpoint, shot shells do 40 damage

[vale oracle]

Could just make a half power shot shell or make the brass/bronze version require metal parts if thats the issue

[plucky epoch]

Lower caliber - .36 maybe.

[median geode]

Lower gunpowder usage and less powah if

Ig

0.8-0.7 dmg mult

Still does 28-32 dmg while keeping the bullet cost

[wicked parrot]

that would involve making an entirely new gauge of shotgun shell solely for the bronze age, and i don't particularly want to do that

well

who knows, maybe semi-auto or perchance even full auto shotgun that uses them late game

[median geode]

No need for that

Change the bronze age shotgun dmg multiplier and as justifier make it use less gunpowder

[median geode]

Makes sense?

[wicked parrot]

... no, it doesn't actually. yes i can change the numbers on the gun, but that's not how shotguns, or cartridge ammunition works

the power load is in the shotgun shell item itself, if i wanted a different powder load, i'd need a different type of shotgun shell

[median geode]

Ahh

Iforgot

I forgot it was a shell

I assumed the uh fireweapons way

[prime snow]

I am having trouble reloading the lever action

or more-so chambering a round

[wicked parrot]

just the lever action?

[prime snow]

yeah i think i got it working, its the lmb to chamber but it also unchambers a round so its give or take

[desert dawn]

hello! sorry for bothering

how did you do it for your guns to use a cartridged bullet but drop a simple one when at place of impact?, is it a feature from your mod via the .dll or..?, if i may ask

[wicked parrot]

i use my own code yeah, though the ammo used and item dropped is hard coded per item

[desert dawn]

i see, thanks!

[gilded pine]

Hey so 1.22 is out for awhile now , any update on the update ?

[wicked parrot]

glockmaker requires firearms, which is not updated to 1.22 yet

[gilded pine]

oh alright thank

[hoary jolt]

hey! would like to say that there is a maltiez firearms mod fork as a heads up!

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/48304

[wicked parrot]

im well aware of the fork, i don't know hit it interacts with the code that exists, or will continue to work. thus, i am waiting for the official version

[mild shuttle]

Yea, the fork is pretty half-baked and only barely functional, for the most part.

[wicked parrot]

yeah, so i've heard

[gusty bolt]

when pistol release

[gilded pine]

When Maltiez mod update

[wicked parrot]

which is to say, probably not for a while

[gilded pine]

Tragic

[wicked parrot]

indeed, but maltiez says they'll probably be skipping 1.22 for updates, and i can honestly respect it

[gilded pine]

😭

Can you use the fork tho ?

[agile hatch]

When Glock

[wicked parrot]

when the firearms mod officially updates

[gilded pine]

let wait for about 4 months

[wicked parrot]

how about 4 days, update is out for 1.22, have at it

[gilded pine]

nice
you using fork ?

[wicked parrot]

aye

[gilded pine]

pistol included ?

[wicked parrot]

i have not added anything new yet, just made everything compatible

[gilded pine]

damn 1.23 it is then

[wicked parrot]

i haven't actually been able to even use vsc until like yesterday

[gilded pine]

damn

[wicked parrot]

in my limited testing, everything seems to work fine, but let me know if that is not the case

semi-automatics soon™

[gilded pine]

ok

[gilded pine]

about 4 months ish 😭

[wicked parrot]

there are theoretically better tools available for the parts i don't like now, so we'll see

[gilded pine]

goodluck

[north garnet]

I was testing loading and unloading the guns in survival on a creative world, and there seems to be a way to make bullets disappear

like in the process of fully loading and then fully unloading a gun it's possible to end up short one bullet that's not in the chamber either

or wait is it impossible to remove the bullet from the chamber?

either way I can't fire the thing if the phantom bullet is supposedly in there

ok so upon further testing.... what I think is happening is that, if you load the gun fully and rack the round into the chamber, if you then unload the gun fully then you won't be able to fire it even though there should still be a round in the chamber

I think.

here's a video of me fiddling around with it. Something is off but I'm not sure what it is. Notice how I've "fully" unloaded the gun but I'm left with 31 bullets instead of 32, yet I can't fire the thing: https://imgur.com/a/gEch6rC

implying that there's a bullet that's neither in the magazine nor in the chamber.

[wicked parrot]

yeah, i am vaguely aware of this issue. from what i have seen, it only affects unloading the gun, and doesn't affect it further than that. which is to say, if you reload the gun from that point, and continue firing, you'll suddenly have access to that last bullet again

i'm not terribly sure what causes it, but its also sorta low on my priority list, as unloading the guns isn't terribly useful in actuality. its more just there because i thought it'd be cool

[north garnet]

Do you think it's more an issue with your mod or a CO problem?

[north garnet]

also the version on your github page is only up to 1.0.0

not 1.2.0

[wicked parrot]

its probably my mod, and yeah my vsc does not like to be connected to github unfortunately

[wooden wigeon]

any news

[agile hatch]

I think fork is broken because hits don’t register well

[still sail]

brass casings using lead? @wicked parrot

[ocean bison]

@wicked parrot Would you consider doing a commission on a 1873 Springfield Trapdoor rifle and carbine

[wicked parrot]

uhh

maybe? i think i've looked at them. would need to refresh myself on how they work

[wicked parrot]

still honestly not sure my stance on commissions, especially regarding modding. but i'll at least hear you out, what's the offer? it definitely looks doable

[agile hatch]

ﾁﾝﾎﾟ

[wicked parrot]

very cool and creative