_

[tight valve]

0.35 block on 10 block distance - for better picture, 100 block is quite long distance

[smoky pike]

Hm

So 10 blocks is the min when so all pellets can land.

[tight valve]

Depends on the size of your target

also "max", not "min"

[smoky pike]

A

Ok

[tight valve]

It is essentially a cone spread, with bullets more likely to hit center than edges (casue of normal distribution used in caluclation)

[surreal dirge]

Assuming 1 block is 1 meter, you can easily enough hit larger animals at a distance of 50m since then the spread would be about 1.75m based on the numbers Maltiez provided, ignoring projectile travel time and possibly drop

Hitting a human or seraph size target at 50m with the blunderbuss wouldn't be too reliably, but it could be done

[glacial hill]

Sad. You can't aim muskets properly while mounted

I recognize that coding it to work properly would be a pain, but there go my dragoon fantasies

Wait, dragoons dismounted to fight

[tight valve]

I will look into it in 1.22

[glacial hill]

Oh thanks

[glacial hill]

Reading further, looks like this developed over time, you did eventually have dragoons that fired from horseback

[kind elm]

Best workaround for this is to change the aiming cursor type in the mod config, you can just use the crosshair to aim while mounted

[glacial hill]

Oh good call

Let me try that out

[smoky pike]

Another tip is to stop right when you gotta fire your weapon.

Then quickly move after firing it.

Use a carbine for the enhanced dragoon experience.

[glacial hill]

Works quite well, thank ye

Also works better if you're looking more or less ahead when firing, so approach the target head on

Oh, hilariously, last night I was playing on a server with the Draconis mod and tried to shoot something on the ground while flying. Nailed my own dragon

[fluid peak]

Wheellock pistols also require four inventory slots to load while flintlock only needs three

(You need a fourth slot for the rewinding key thing)

Powder, paper, and bullet otherwise

Matchlocks also need an extra slot over flintlock

[agile fractal]

@tight valve saw this at first and wanted to know if you can still use the help and can tell me how to set it all up

would like to know how to set it up so i can re-animate some of the guns. I already talked with you about this a few months ago while i was trying to use the old animation tools.

i can contribute most certaintly to the firearms mod

[smoky pike]

Question, which is you go to matchlog before getting steel?

The blunderbuss or the arquebus?

Im looking for feedback in order to pick one.

Also what is a breakpoint btw?

[covert aspen]

A breakpoint is the amount of damage threshold for reducing shots to kill.
Say if you have an enemy with twenty hp, the breakpoints could be five, seven, ten and twenty hp because for example it'd take the same number number of attacks whether you did ten or nineteen damage, but if you did 9.99999 it'd take three.

Awkwardly worded, but I hope it makes sense.

Also I prefer the arquebus for hunting proposes quite strongly.

[smoky pike]

I got another question if yall dont mind.

How you use the musket's buttstoke as a melee.

And if you can alsondo this with the other firearms.

[rigid quest]

Look at your control bindings/keyboard settings in-game.

[smoky pike]

Hey I got a question.

Im currently on a server in which progression is regulated, meaning that Im stuck in the bronze age for a while.

Is the Bossi Carbine worth picking?

[reef spindle]

yeah it's pretty solid

it's cheaper than two pistols, and is easier on your inventory. but you gotta remember if you've got one or two shots ready, and you can't move while reloading

[restive ermine]

great wolf deterrent and it can handle some deer hunting provided you hit your headshots*

*headshots only work with combat overhaul installed

[dapper kernel]

It’s also that tiny bit stronger than a stock wheelock

Unless that was changed between now and the last time I’ve played…

[reef spindle]

it is in fact one higher attack tier

[glacial ravine]

Is there any plans to update to 1.22?

[smoky pike]

Yes they are.

Patience is the key.

[plain mantle]

Maltiez has like 7000 library mods to update before even considering this

[glacial ravine]

That's understandable

But guns

[plain mantle]

agreed

[gaunt sun]

has anyone tested it with the update?

[stuck shell]

dont work

[reef spindle]

different .net version, none of the code mods are gonna work without at least some minor tweaking

[kindred dagger]

waiting for update... :,3

[dapper kernel]

I so cant wait for the update.

but it will also mean every other firearms additions mods will also have to be re-downloaded

[cosmic ridge]

Thanks for the hard work, I know making everything work for the update isn't a quicky and easy task.

[glass junco]

This ^

Much appreciated hard work. These mods are worth the wait <3

[modern rock]

wait gun mod no work on 1.22 ?

damn

[cosmic ridge]

Nope, can’t play until it’s fixed

[gloomy verge]

Could i suggest a go fund me for the commissions? There must be a few thousand people that use the mod if everyone chips in a dollar or two commission sorted. More likely than one player paying $1000 for the so called common good if you will.

[tight valve]

And then get all 1000 ppl agree on one single item and the way they want it be portrayed? And who will hold the money before full sum is gathered? I wont for sure.

You need to wait for vanilla system for funding modders commissions, if we will have any

[gloomy verge]

I mean would be pretty easy to have go fund me set as when payment is filled next commission is released and just have poll / vote on what that release will be. As for how the item is portrayed that would be authors choice i would imagine. As for holding funds go fund me has a few different styles. You can have it set so that if a goal is not reached by a certain time all the donations will be refunded if that helps ease your mind

[tight valve]

I have a lot of work to do, and dont really need extra money. The time I spend on commission I can use to spend extra time working on vanilla, and receive more money from it. So I'm not ready to do the organizational work required for it.

[gloomy verge]

Thats fair enough was just a suggestion to maybe speed things up

How manyy people do you think download and use your firearms mod though? Like if its a few thousand you could re adjust your prices to solve that price gap issue you describe. You will probably find you can ask for more from a larger audience so to speak.

I would imagine roughly between 15,000 and 30,000 people. What I suggest is charge a dollar each

[wet gyro]

Not really sure what you're even trying to get to. AFAIK, there's no paywall to speed anything up since there's nothing planned for Firearms. If someone really wants a new firearm they can make it themselves or commission Maltiez if they have the money since Maltiez is open for "implementing one black powder firearm of your choice" commission.
The benefit being that the commissioner won't have to deal with making the model, json, mod or maintaining it.

If someone really want that new firearm and don't have the money, that'd be up to them to set up the whole 'donate for [insert firearm they really want]' and figure out how to get donations.

[tight valve]

Oh, yeah, you cant pay me to update a mod earlier. You can only make a commission for a new mod

I might have missread initial message

[modest moth]

firearm mods peak 😭

i wish the muskets didnt use too much powder tho XD

[wet gyro]

Change it in the config
Did that too because my friend really liked to shoot the pew pew but it was eating through powder

[modest moth]

am not the server owner tho

or atleast the one im playing in

with the thing

the mod

[gloomy verge]

Was just an idea man didn't mean to offend and upset you

[wet gyro]

Ah yeah, not much you can do except ask the owner and get everyone to agree I suppose. Although, I wouldn't see why anyone would argue against using less powder but depends if it's PVP, friends, etc

[gloomy verge]

No sorry i got the impression you where sitting on maybe couple more that you completed and just wanted to be compensated for your work on first and thought it might be an idea to bring that in

[modest moth]

das true

ill ask around

👍

[wet gyro]

Not offended or upset, was just trying to get both a clearer picture of what you were asking and the information I knew into your view.

[tight valve]

I made a few models just for fun of modelling them, but thats all

models is the easiest part anyway

[gloomy verge]

i wasn't asking anything i was suggesting an idea dude

Tall poppy syndrome there

[tawny burrow]

Don't know why people are thinking that. That crazy guy in the moddb was thinking something similar

[gloomy verge]

its part of the grand conspiracy

I heard hes got weapons of mass destruction

[wet gyro]

sure thing, my bad for trying to provide more information and understanding to the situation

[gloomy verge]

yeah go edit your previous message then gas light me cheers

[tight valve]

I make my mods cause I want to, not cause I'm getting paid. Commission is for players to request something specific, that I dont want to make at the moment, but not against it in general.

[tawny burrow]

You try to be funny but I still don't know why people think that. It's odd how much misinformation is going around

[gloomy verge]

idk what your actually talking about though ahaha

is it to do with anti gravity? Dont bring that up there watching

[tight valve]

Some models I made but never got to actually implementing them, that I was talking about

Axelocks and shotguns

[plush tendon]

paper cartridges when...

[tight valve]

I hope it is a joke

Please, lets avoid unrelated gifs and images

I dont want this thread to turn into #vintagestory channel

Thank you

[plush tendon]

y tho?

[acoustic iron]

Its been stated before that paper cartridges - and any further additions (i think) arent going to be added

[tight valve]

Have you read firearms moddb page?

[acoustic iron]

If you want catridges, make or have someone make a custom addon mod for it

[plush tendon]

😭

[tight valve]

I think this was here for ages

[acoustic iron]

I can see the appeal of cartridges myself but it isnt necessary for using the weapons

[plush tendon]

I know, but a man can dream

[acoustic iron]

all it’d do is save space - which you can theoretically already do with the pouches and sheaths mod made by Maltiez

[tight valve]

So you know, that I asked to not suggest things? (though in this case it was about fierarms... need to generalize it)

[plush tendon]

wouldn't it also improve reload speed tho

[acoustic iron]

myself i like carrying gunpowder canister (Forgot the name), it looks really cool

[plush tendon]

flask?

[acoustic iron]

Flask, thank you

I havent played in a while

[plush tendon]

sorry😔

[tight valve]

Yes, and this is the main reason to not add it

[acoustic iron]

But uh, maybe they’d improve reload speed but then again, i dont think its that necessary (Muskets even w paper catridges took a while to reload, the one-by-one method maltiez made wouldnt be all that slower)

Or maybe it would, iunno, never reloaded a musket irl.

Born 200-ish years too late for that.

[plush tendon]

iirc paper cartridges hold both the bullet (or shot) and powder so you'd just tear the top off and load both in one motion

could be wrong tho

[wet gyro]

Last I've seen someone do paper cartridge at my range, they tore up the top, poured some powder in the striker pan thing, poured the rest down the barrel alongside the paper + ball, did the ramming and then shot.

So arguably, not as fast as just shoving everything down the tube + ram

[tight valve]

Hm, I guess youtube tries now to insert ads inside list of channel videos

Anyway, you can watch how this works on this channel: https://www.youtube.com/@capandball/videos

[plush tendon]

le enshittification continues

[tight valve]

https://youtu.be/ldz0AviUYvI?t=396

[plush tendon]

kinda glad I'm in a country banned from YT ads lmao

(not glad for everything else in this country)

[tight valve]

I just use adblock and other extensions for firefox removing different shit from it

[plush tendon]

I usually don't get ads even while using a vpn

but randomly started getting them one day

damn it fucking sucks lmao

[wet gyro]

that feel when you need 6 to 7 extensions to make youtube bearable is hilarious

[tight valve]

It will become worse and worse, until youtube dies

[plush tendon]

2 unskippable 20 sec ads is aids lmao

[tight valve]

Anyway, this is offtopic. I linked a video with timecode with paper catrige reload

[plush tendon]

*correction, 1 is skippable after like 5 second

[plush tendon]

yeah, it's not that much faster

[abstract stone]

Any works on 1.22?

[abstract stone]

?

[gentle pelican]

the question gets asked often, the work is ongoing, no ETAs right now

[devout star]

#1450278092982714502 message there is one made already

[grim crest]

on the topic of your comms, I am explicitly excluding black powder firearms from century arms solely to refrain from treading on your discount commission posting

[stiff lark]

Hi guys it's been so long

What's new with the mod?
Not yet updated to 1.22 right

[stiff lark]

OH YES! 10/12/20 GAUGE SHELLS????

[stuck shell]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/48304#tab-description

try non official fork

[dim gyro]

Every time I try using this the animation fail to work.

[velvet inlet]

yeah looking at the comments page it's super buggy. i'd rather just wait until maltiez has time to update it properly

[grim crest]

yeah I get people are impatient but let Maltiez take his time

[chilly falcon]

you may notice that in addition to his suite of mods, multiple of which are frameworks which are extremely technical, he is on the VS Team. give him a moment

[velvet inlet]

exactly lmao

[pale comet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-show-speed-speed-shake-now-suck-that-sucking-gif-24039341

Me trying to motivate bro to do his million mods that everyone loves cos one guy be carrying the modding community

Waiting nice and patiently cos ik its gonna be worth it

[dapper kernel]

For people who aren’t patient, there’s a fork out that you can use for the meanwhile.

It’s not great though and there are a fair few animation bugs.

[pale comet]

Im just waiting I was excited for fork and was like nawhhhhh imma wait for my boy

Im waiting on other mods anyway so its no biggie. Its hard waiting though lol but when I do my next playthrough to dump another 100 hours into a world i want all my mods. might try a server for my buddies this time

[astral bone]

same, so many awesome mods came with 1.22 but i ain't updating without CO, feels like Rimworld all over again, with CE

[rigid quest]

Two kinds of people: "Oh boy, RimWorld updated!" and "Oh God, no. RimWorld updated."

[simple river]

Damn, nice single shot and O&U

Could see myself using them instead of trying to finish mine

[next yacht]

@tight valve ik this has been along time, but do you plan to add MovingNone to the setting as default? so then i don't have to manually add MovingNone

[tight valve]

What?

[next yacht]

the aiming mode that combines moving and none together?

[tight valve]

I see, it is not an option in config window, you could have phrased it better. When updated to 1.22.

[next yacht]

so it will be added in 1.22 as a config option?

[tight valve]

yes

[next yacht]

yay, thanks

[steel burrow]

Hey, Maltiez, I'm just wondering about your stance on forks of your mods. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, or bring up any hurt feelings, but someone has been forking a lot of your mods recently, and I just wanted to make sure you're doing alright, emotionally, and get clarification on whether you care or not.

[steel burrow]

OK!

I'll definitely try helping out then

[steel burrow]

Maltiez is uploading now! I may not have to do anything...!

[ebon ferry]

Ayo?

[smoky pike]

Hm.

Do yall think that the flintlock pistol is worth it?

On one hand you got a higher tier pistol, meaning its damage will stay consistent on most enemies.

But on the other hand, it uses double the gunpowder of the wheelock.

[reef spindle]

its a trade for sure, but by the time you'll have steel, gunpowder is a lot less of an issue

[dusty oasis]

What ends up being the best gun in game damage/materials wise?

[smoky pike]

The carbine for sure.

High damage, decent gunpowder consumption, and easy to build once you get steel.

If you want to deal more damage then the musket is your way to go, but beware since it eats gunpowder like crazy.

The carbine requires 4 gunpowder to shoot while the musket needs 8.

[dapper kernel]

Musket is strongest IF you have the means to keep it loaded!

Personally however the wheel locks are just too cost efficient to trade away.

You can go longer without restocking on gunpowder.

The bossi is always my go-to

[shy mantle]

When ak-47

[wet gyro]

Not happening

[stiff lark]

1950's Mod

[reef spindle]

perchance in glockmaker

[shy mantle]

It was a joke lol

[grim crest]

not entirely true....

tho it would require its own mod probably, not just a simple fork of firearms like Century Arms is

since automatic guns isn't something Firearms has implemented

and Maltiez likely never will implement it unless someone pays him handsomely

[wet gyro]

I mean, very much true since this is the "Firearms" mod thread and maltiez said they wouldn't implement any other firearms
But yeah, would require its own mod and more probabe that Glockmaker implements it

[humble light]

@tight valve Heya, Id like to dm you about use of the sfxs you have for the weapons :)

[echo goblet]

i know you

[tight valve]

pls, no offtopic

[echo goblet]

ok sorry my bad

I don't know if I can ask or not, but do you have any estimate for when this mod will be updated? I know there's a fork, but not for what I'm doing with some friends; it would have to be the original version to prevent any problems. If you can't give a rough estimate, that's fine; it's just because I didn't think it hurt to ask.

[wicked ibex]

I swear, in a few years we are going to be seeing entire servers that look like WW1 and WW2 battlefields.

[pale comet]

When the losers updated skyrim and fallout a good while ago. shit was so dumb lol for creation kit stuff WHO TF BROKE ASS IS BUYING THAT. If youre on console cos youre poor just play with free mods and cry knowing you'll never experience them to their fullest isntead of giving money to bethesda.

[smoky pike]

People that dont do modding, and don't want to learn.

Its pretty much a "better alternative" even tho it isn't.

Bro why you dont learn how to mod thr game is free and-....

Brother, I dont have the time nor the interest.

[tight valve]

^

[smoky pike]

Fair enough.

[abstract stone]

On the topic of firearms, when is the update?

[acoustic iron]

no planned date

[devout star]

The update will be when its ready and no sooner then that.

[smoky pike]

Question.

Do yall consider the blunderbuss a good weapon, or at least fun?

Both the match and flintlock ones.

[hearty harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/well-get-thereincredibles-driving-get-there-road-rage-superhero-gif-12009259

[smoky pike]

Huh.

I could tell I got a ping

[reef spindle]

you like shotguns?

if yes, then yes

[tall yoke]

overall i would say the worst gun in terms of versatility

at close range (has a much higher effective range than your typical videogame shotgun, but that's not saying much) it does slightly higher damage than an arquebus

its best usecase is fighting mid tier drifters

flintlock variant does slightly more damage than a carbine

[reef spindle]

50% more is not a margin i would call slightly

[tiny garnet]

Ive used it. Its fun but because its pellets the damage is inconsistent and its a resource hog

[tall yoke]

not 50%

24 vs 32, 42 vs 48

for a perfect scenario that is a very small difference

not to mention the tier difference

[reef spindle]

carbine is 36, according to the source code

sorry, 33% more damage, still not "slight" in my opinion

[smoky pike]

The issue is that its real damage might be way less due to its damage tier.

It might be only do like 15 damage to mostly anything.

[limpid wedge]

Is the firearms mod updated

[dim gyro]

No

[limpid wedge]

When is firearms mod updated

[wet gyro]

When it gets updated

[limpid wedge]

When is firearms mod updated now

[tall yoke]

no

[rigid quest]

Just use the forks if you're impatient, man.

[limpid wedge]

When will forks be as good if not better

[reef spindle]

when they are

or never

who can say

[limpid wedge]

Can someone say when firearms is updated

[wet gyro]

When firearms is updated

Firearms will be updated when Maltiez updates it, which could be anywhere between now and the end of the universe. There's no plans, no timelines, it will eventually happen.
Maltiez is working on refactoring the codebase and that takes time, meaning the main mods will take time to get updated.

[acoustic iron]

NO UPDATE PLANNED

read maltiez’s profile on modpage!!!!

[wicked ibex]

/jk

Take your time Maltiez. You update when you update and the rest of us can wait!

[limpid wedge]

i cant wait

does anyone know when firearms updates

[smoky pike]

God.

Jesus, people don't stop asking the same exact question.

[smoky pike]

It will update when its done.

[main valley]

Maltiez is a champion

[devout star]

Did you even look at what the person right before you said? Like directly above you dude.

[limpid wedge]

what time would firearms be updated

[obsidian warren]

bruv at this point you gotta be trolling 😄

[patent glen]

chat, nuke this person with a combat overhaul musketeer team /j

[tall yoke]

under what weather conditions will firearms be updated

[tawny burrow]

tomorrow at 9 AM

[devout star]

https://tenor.com/view/musket-vintage-story-kelpshake-yofreakman-gunpowder-gif-3642291681626283740

[limpid wedge]

Is firearms updated

[velvet inlet]

it gets delayed by a day every time someone asks

[limpid wedge]

What time is it updated

[calm bloom]

Honestly ignoring them would be the best course of action.

[cunning iron]

[acoustic iron]

fuck.. hes genius…

[limpid wedge]

When updating

[gentle pelican]

<@&426084139796791296> can somebody please bonk this person

[icy delta]

Ignore rather than respond/engage, yes. But if they're being disruptive, use #support-moderators or tag Moderator role.

[limpid wedge]

undisruptively does anyone know when the firearms mod will be updated?

[obsidian warren]

i feel like if you ask it a few more times it'll stop being annoying and start being funny. you know, when a kid keeps asking you stupid question, at first you entertain him, then he starts being annoying, after a while you resign yourself to your fate and just accept it

[limpid wedge]

Undisruptively when would the update be out

[reef spindle]

disruptively when is this man gonna experience the musket firing squad

[limpid wedge]

Probably when it updates

[sterile lava]

we could also pin the anoucement that it is being updated at its own speed

[limpid wedge]

Undisruptively what speed is it being updated

[tall yoke]

cia alien blood sacrifice at 9 pm, be there

[obsidian warren]

we gotta bring epstein out of retirement for Avid Viewer?

[tight valve]

they were banned

I was not the first victim that reported them

[acoustic iron]

fuck around find out

[proud stratus]

Bait used to be believable

[violet salmon]

If you don't mind, @tight valve, I'm gonna take the es-419 lang file and do a few changes to make an es-es translation you can add next update

Actually... the translation is so similar that it doesn't need any changes between Hispanic and Spanish. Well played.

However, I did find this typo you might want to check out

[bitter cargo]

hello

i wanted to ask if the new changes will repercute in how the firearms are set up, things like if firearms made for 1.21.6 will need to have animations redone in new versions of firearms

[smoky pike]

There won't be any updates for 1.22, sadly, you gotta wait for 1.23.

[bitter cargo]

i see, thanks!

[grim crest]

why you trolling a guy who asked a genuine question that isnt "when will it be done :)"

[reef spindle]

not trolling if its true

[grim crest]

But we dont know if its true

so authoritatively saying it is like he knows isnt cool

[smoky pike]

Cuz that was the truth, by that time, before Maltiez decided to skip 1.22

[grim crest]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[smoky pike]

It was before Maltiez decided to skip 1.22, as I previously stated.

[grim crest]

Where did maltiez say he decided to skip 1.22, mr jos?

[smoky pike]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/user/8F414EAEC3CB95A80138

You can check his bio.

Not all of his mods are out of the picture tho

[mild pilot]

so the mods will be unusable?

[smoky pike]

You can use the forks being made specifically for this reason.

They are not perfect, but the intention is good nonetheless.

[mild pilot]

what happens when the original mod gets updated though

would i have to completely wipe the fork from my world and then install the updated firearms?

[smoky pike]

They will be updated most likely for 1.23.

[smoky pike]

Yeah.

[mild pilot]

alright thanks

[grim crest]

I dont really trust anything he posts on the db since he has been saying stuff like that to the ppl whove been begging and being rude for a while now

not that im saying he shouldnt be, those guys were being enormously disrespectful

[smoky pike]

The thing is that it is the truth in this case.

[potent crescent]

Yeah I mean like thinking he is going to update everything to 1.22 right now is just copium when so far the only information from him is that he is not planning to update his big content mods for 1.22

[crimson pier]

You ever thought of adding shooting sticks?

[rigid quest]

For anyone who doesn't know what that is.

[dim gyro]

The OG bipod

[devout star]

Monopod

[dim gyro]

Yea your right lol

[smoky pike]

hmh

Why tho?

It's not like the current firearms are accurate enough already.

[reef spindle]

i will admit, the guns in this mod are very accurate for smoothbore

[split sage]

Well if the monopod is added then I might go ahead and add the punt gun

[rigid quest]

"Punt gun" you say?

Close enough to an odzutsu I'd be absolutely delighted, tbh!

Odzutsu for reference.

Smoothbore or not, I find things like the various punt guns, odzutsu, and wall guns all sort of related.

[olive turret]

This plus explosive ammo was peak in Bannerlord Shokuho

[main valley]

that may be the sole reason I reinstall bannerlord

[oblique hazel]

If we're discussing manufacturing, I think gun powder should need to be milled on a pulverizer to work for guns

[dire sigil]

The idea of the shot tower is for bulk, large scale ammunition production. Not just artificially making things take longer.

The quern is for your fine powders and soft grains, the pulverizer is for your harder and more demanding crushing

[oblique hazel]

Could be a multiplier of the base powder by some amount

[dire sigil]

Personally it doesn’t make sense of how it could be more efficient when it’s a more messy and would produce a less fine powder when using a pulverizer

[oblique hazel]

Gunpowder needs be milled into an ultra fine dust just mixing the ingredients doesn't really make good powder, some powder mills irl do really work like pulverizers

[oblique hazel]

It wouldn't

[dire sigil]

It’s just smashing a rock over and over. There’s a reason why you first pulverize iron, then quern it for powdered iron in this game

Quern = fine powders
Pulverize = ground up rocks

[oblique hazel]

You don't quern iron in this game at any point

[oblique hazel]

This logic is wrong the pulverizer does essentially the same as a quern just for harder materials

[dire sigil]

Please explain stone blasting bombs.

[oblique hazel]

What about them

[dire sigil]

The recipe requires pulverizing then milling iron

Pulverizing iron into crushed iron, then turning it into a fine powdered iron oxide

Milling is required for making powders.

Pulverizing for crushing hard materials into crushed ones. Sometimes to mill to make finer

A pulverizer cannot make a fine powder

Simple

[oblique hazel]

Iron oxide is not the same as iron but close enough I guess

[dire sigil]

……..

[oblique hazel]

And regardless since that's the case it's a bit silly that the pulverizer (roughly meaning "maker of dust") doesn't make fine powder

Pulverizers like the one in the game are absolutely used to milling things to fine powders in the real world feels like a strange "nerf"

And this is all besides the point the quern would work for powder milling too anyways

[smoky pike]

But you use iron ore to make it.

[rustic bone]

Sure but thats with modern powder.

Classic Blackpowder as featured in this mod would explode in a pulverizer.

Do you really want that.

[oblique hazel]

You need to mix it with water to make a paste

But yeah the quern might be the better option

[rustic bone]

yep and then dry it and grind it to leech any additional chemicals out and if you smash it with whats esesntially a mechanical sledgehammer It explodes.

Because classic coal + sulfur + saltpeter blackpowder is highly susceptible to kinetic impacts causing it to ignite and then go bang

[oblique hazel]

Although part of powder milling is pressing the components under pressure to make sure the ingredients are as well mixed as possible

[rustic bone]

that is modern powder.

you do not do that with old powder

infact you need to make sure to apply minimum pressure

[oblique hazel]

Yes you do

[oblique hazel]

They milled it wet

[rustic bone]

the guy that rediscovered gunpowder in germany blew the hell up smashing it

[oblique hazel]

Old powder mills were often a large stone wheel rotating on the paste

[rustic bone]

yes with very carefully set pressure and speed

any more and it goes "TSHK- BANG"

lots of cases where that happened.

[oblique hazel]

Stamp mills were used

Although I'd imagine they were probably wood

Yeah definitely wood

[rustic bone]

you had to be very particular and careful with the old unstable powder
lots of recorded deaths in many a powder mill suddenly deconstructing itself

[oblique hazel]

Yes but 90% of the time it was static electricity, accidental sparks, lightning strikes and such

Specially given all the powder dust flying around

[sterile lava]

black powder was wet milled but i think it was normally wetted with alcohol (at least from what i have seen) Black Powder would need to be a powder before it is made to size which was most of the reason for wetting and it is much better to grind something to a powder like you would in a quern instead of smashing it into a powder which i assume can be done but with higher chance of a random spark unless they used a wooden hammer (but they would wear out very fast and may even chip and break into the powder) another step to sizing the powder is to basically push it though a sieve to make a specific size and somewhat consistent shape and it was incredibly dangerous to work in a powder mill but you are correct about it mostly being because of static electricity (sorry to be that guy and i didn't think my fist comment would cause such a agument)

it was also pressed before sieveing

[chilly hedge]

Did you know

Quartz and more specifically Amethyst is a suitable replacement for flint

In a blackpowder firearm

It actually uses a combination of heat and electricity to ignite the gunpowder in this scenario, it's why amethyst is preferable, it generates a stronger charge when struck.

@split sage

Basically the hammer in such a gun functions as a piezoelectric lighter

[wicked ibex]

Huh. Add a small misfire chance to firearms not made with quartz/amethyst?

[rustic bone]

Quartz/Amethyst is lower grade than flint

You don't want to use those.

Sharpened piece of flint remains your best bet by far and doesn't require reinventing the wheel plus its cheap and easy to replace

If anything Quartz / Amethyst got a much higher chance to just chip off and break on you if used

[chilly hedge]

I mean

Does it

[chilly hedge]

Yeah no I just looked it up and amethyst especially is extremely resistant to chipping due to the structure of its crystals

Flint is still more resistant but like they're both very tough rocks

Infact

I just checked and flint is a type of microcrystalline quartz

Because of this you can actually find Flint Amethyst

Which is to say Flint which has been exposed to gamma rays.

@rustic bone @wicked ibex

[wicked ibex]

Neat!

[rustic bone]

Have you ever worked with or held an actual amethyst before

At the size of a flint chip they become flimsy

I would not trust one at all

Plus it would be a complete hassle to sharpen or knap it on the field making field repairs basically a no-can-do, which is required like all the time with amethyst or quartz because unlike flint, it doesn't chip off in a way that has it stay sharp

Just a downgrade to using a flint rock for no real reason honestly

At least during the civil war for example a soldier could look for a random flint rock on the floor and fix up his rifle with it after a couple minutes banging it together

If they used quartz or amethyst, what would they have done really besides just oogle at their broken gun

[chilly hedge]

yes ive held them?

[chilly hedge]

it doesnt have to stay sharp?

Its not using friction to generate heat

Its using the piezoelectric effect

When you smack an amethyst or standard quartz with a steel hammer it generates a high voltage spark proportionate to the force you hit it with. its how piezoelectric lighters function.

@rustic bone Did you think it was using friction?

[chilly hedge]

Like I literally said here what it was @rustic bone

[chilly hedge]

Like you dont need it sharp or in any specific shape to do this, just smack it hard against a piece of metal

Or smack a piece of metal hard against it

Stoves and Barbeques literally use a small hammer and smack it against a quartz crystal to generate an electric ignition spark

Amethysts just generate the strongest spark when you do this to them of all quartz variants.

Also

Quartz is an extremely common Silicate Rock

Infact

Flint is a type of Quartz

Its just not the type we usually imagine when we imagine quartz

[rustic bone]

please explain to me why throughout history you don't see amethyst ignitions then.

And why do we even talk about this in the first place, Amethyst / quartz is stupid and unnecessary and even if somehow it wasn't that wouldn't remotely warrant altering this mod

[chilly hedge]

Blackpowder and muskets had been rendered obsolete by the time the piezoelectric effect was discovered.

They'd already long since moved on to percussion Caps

Also it's no more stupid than the wheel-lock

@rustic bone

Also most modern mortars use the piezoelectric effect that is to say a shock sensitive quartz crystal to to ignite their mortar shell on impact.

Is that enough of a quartz based ignition system?

Other larger dumb artillery pieces do the same thing.

@rustic bone

[rustic bone]

Please stop pinging me.

[chilly hedge]

Okay

[final sleet]

could be useful if the actual musket was like 17 century one matchlock
the arquebuse is quite light enough to fire it from hands only

[wind fable]

Hey question, is the bayonet attaching to the musket for anyone else? I cant figure out how to equip it to my musket. I try holding bayonet and musket and hitting the (rebound hotkey due to conflict) and nothing happens. I do have a hammer in my offhand too.

[smoky pike]

Press B

[abstract stone]

Any news on update?

[devout star]

It’s not going to be updated till 1.23, got to use a fork for 1.22

[covert aspen]

Is 1.23 that close?

[chilly hedge]

No it's just that the dev is now working on the game themselves

Directly

Corrected myself

[covert aspen]

Damn, I should know that, yeah it makes sense that that takes precedence for them.

[wicked ibex]

Its less a matter of weight and more to provide a stable shooting platform for increased accuracy.

[plain mantle]

that's more for like stability than holding it

[tight valve]

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[elfin socket]

ﾁﾝﾎﾟ

[smoky pike]

It is, with the added process that you need to soak the blasting powder in water using buckets, let it dry and finally grind it with a quern.

[elfin socket]

WHY ARE WE REPLYING TO 2023

[smoky pike]

a

I didn't noticed, mb.

[elfin socket]

Lol

For a moment I wanted to believe it was still 2023

[celest thunder]

no way you are nostalgic over 2023

[elfin socket]

High school is better than employment

[velvet inlet]

admitting you peaked in high school. rip