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[sterile merlin]

it's only ranged actually

"Precise: (+25% damage against mechanicals, +1 damage tier for ranged attacks dealing blunt damage)"

@tight valve I'm getting a strange bug where if I fire the blunderbuss at a wall at relatively close range, the pellets pile up at the bottom rather than where I shot them at.

this doesn't happen at further ranges somehow

I don't see anything in the logs about it

ok so I don't think it's range dependent

it depends on angle of attack

head on shots against the wall cause it

which make me wonder if this has anything to do with the code you added to make projectiles bounce off surfaces or if that's just a red herring

it's not exclusive to blunderbuss, happened with pistol too. Investingating further.

[covert flicker]

hello i would like to ask, whats the gunpowder cost of shooting a musket and a carbine?

i know carbines are cheaper

but how much cheap are we talking about?

[sterile merlin]

musket uses 32 units (8 powder), carbine uses 16 (4 powder)

[covert flicker]

gotcha thanks

[sterile merlin]

arquebus is 12

units

[covert flicker]

interesting, so its cheaper of them all

good to know

is there a spreadsheet i can consult for the cost in powder of all firearms?

[sterile merlin]

idk I'm using the json files for the firearms itemtypes

[covert flicker]

ohh alright

[tight valve]

They seem to fall down, but they probably hit where they should... I will look into it, but not a priority

[elfin socket]

What is the cylinder for?

[rigid quest]

Revolver arquebus.

[elfin socket]

U can make that?

[celest thunder]

its a mod addon

[gentle slate]

I have encountered an issue with this mod's clay molds interaction with another mod called Vintage Engineering. The molds' recipes do not specify the accepted types of clay leading to a crash when using a machine from Vintage Engineering with Firearm's molds.

Current recipe line causing the issue:

"ingredient": { "type": "item", "code": "game:clay-*" },
Fixed to not cause crash and align with how the vanilla recipes are:

"ingredient": { "type": "item", "code": "game:clay-*", name: "type", allowedVariants: ["blue", "fire", "red"] },

this issue is present in the slugs, pellets, bullets, and barrel mold, thanks for your time, I love the mod

[tight valve]

"allowedVariants" is not about specification, it is about limiting allowed types.
Should be fixed on their side, whatever they do with recipes, probably write better code that does not depend on "allowedVariants" being in recipe

[teal isle]

how to maximise gunpowder drying speed?

[kind elm]

If you use Food Shelves, the ceiling jar from that mod can hold the wet gunpower and gives a drying bonus

[glacial lark]

https://huntingwithnonlead.org/ammunition/centerfire/muzzleloader

would be nice if we could alloy bismuth with tin to make yet another alternative bullet metal

(i cant find any copper or lead)

[tall yoke]

you have a gun but can't find copper?

[glacial lark]

iron is really easy to find ok

i have a revolver arquebus but to make the bullets im gonna go broke

i kinda wish we could use iron bullets

oh shit.. that gives me an idea

forged iron saboted bullets

requires you to chisel out wooden sabots for the bullets

less damage than lead (maybe even less than copper) but adds tier

[tall yoke]

at that point use a windlass with flint bolts

[glacial lark]

nah

muh armor piercing

[tall yoke]

guns don't have ap to my knowledge

[tight valve]

Tbh, I'm considering removing copper ammo...

Exploring and prospecting for specific materials is an essential part of the game

All guns having brass as required material have it for a reason

Same with lead

[tall yoke]

i pretend it doesn't exist

it's surprising how many people have trouble with sedimentary regions

"i swear i'm playing 28k hours and i haven't found bees/sulfur/natural coal/borax/lead"

[tight valve]

And then they say, that they've never gone more than a thousand blocks away from their starting location

[tall yoke]

it's natural to be scared of straying too far when you're still new to the game, but by the time you have iron you really should understand what's up

now i realize holding w is so good i'm looking for ways to nerf the base movement

[glacial lark]

please make it a config

otherwise it wont play well with mods like IOG which can make it harder fo find deposits of certain ores

just in general since veins are a little farther apart but larger in size

[glacial lark]

some materials are more common than others btw

and its a balance between realism and, well, balance

copper bullets are already a worse alternative

despite that they can be used in guns irl

maybe make them consume more durability IDK

[glacial lark]

I've run all over the world and not found lead yet with iog

luck and mods haven't gone my way

I'm not someone who's like oh i went 1k blocks no lead!!

[thorny imp]

rework copper ammo so only the blunderbuss can use it

[glacial lark]

ts simply.. pmo...

[glacial lark]

not really accurate to reality

very forced

[tall yoke]

5k blocks all 4 directions from your base, if unsuccessful only then can you call yourself unlucky

[glacial lark]

ive been 7k south and more than 8k east, 2k north, not much in other directions

more than halfway through exploring the story locations

like i said

IOG

[thorny imp]

Never found salt in my world, had to buy it from traders

[glacial lark]

anyways i dont have any more to say on the matter

please keep copper bullets

they already suck lol that's enough to motivate me to look harder for lead

[tall yoke]

i was planning on adding rock pellets to give blunderbuss at least some funny general use

[thorny imp]

shoot metal scrap

[glacial lark]

will add rock pellets but doesnt care for copper

[tall yoke]

copper is for brass!

[thorny imp]

copper has alot of uses especially in other mods

[glacial lark]

brass and copper can both be used for bullets

[glacial lark]

okay

[thorny imp]

im considering nerfing all the guns except steel on my server

[tall yoke]

why, they're already weak

bronze have low damage and tiers, iron are okay but powder inefficient and have the match requirement which is the biggest downside

if you're gonna nerf do it the other way around

[thorny imp]

Im not gonna nerf the damage, I made them hit harder but I'm gonna lower the durability significantly

[tall yoke]

what if i told you the durability was even higher

[tight valve]

Hm...

[tall yoke]

now what is THIS

[tight valve]

96 cylinders

Though now I will add "allowedVariants" and leave only one of them in the game, as it was before

Just a way to unify gun parts, so other mods do not need to add their own

Same with ramrods, locks and barrels

[tall yoke]

those copper cylinders make me wanna make a toy gun

[west gyro]

yeah i can go all over the place without finding much sedimentary rock

[glacial lark]

man i wish pepperbox pistols were a thing

[pearl grail]

Close enough, wish I could donate money to him.

#1450278092982714502 message

[glacial lark]

YOO holy shit

i had no idea they were working on this

[pearl grail]

Yup, next up, maybe colt like revolvers.

[glacial lark]

W honestly

[hearty harbor]

Colt revolvers are percussion cap.

So they'd really require a whole different production chain setup.

[pearl grail]

Guy can dream, no?

[hearty harbor]

It's something I considered adding!

I'm working on my revolver shotgun mod.

[pearl grail]

Don't worry, just thinking about the future.

[hearty harbor]

I really need more practice with the animations and effects though, half of what Maltiez did is just magic to me at the moment.

[pearl grail]

Slow and Steady wins the race my friend, slow and steady.

[slow moss]

can someone help with the revolver arquebus
standing still holding ctrl rmb nothing happens

[untold cedar]

Try shift RMB

[slow moss]

did that iam now trying a restart then singleplayer check with other weapons then ill try moving the around on the hotbar and lastly i will check logs

after learning how to do so

[untold cedar]

I trust you , but in that SC you have the powder equipped . Instead of the gun

[slow moss]

it is the kemono mod ithink

does not play animations well but 3rd person some guns reload and shoot (you just can'treally see it being reloaded)

[wet gyro]

Yes that would be the reason, Kemono is well known to just not work with any mods that adds custom animations.

[glacial lark]

kemono generally isn't supported by lots of mods nor does the dev make an effort to support them

use PML-based mods

[west gyro]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collier's_Flintlock_Revolver

[pearl grail]

Aware of it, not saying it's bad, just wish to get a colt 1851 navy in the game.

A very nice revolver all in all, maybe when I have the time, I could take a crack in it, but for now, to much things to juggle.

[thorny imp]

You can shoot a pistol and a crossbow at the same time

[formal panther]

a temporal tech themed gun

why? because im drunk and I want that

[tight valve]

Do you have money?

Though you are drunk, so just ignore that

[formal panther]

Im mildy drunk, I have some brain activity

[formal panther]

No, im mexican LoL

now im curious, so you do commisions for new shit right?

[tight valve]

Look into Firearms moddb page

And here is an example of mod that was commissioned: https://mods.vintagestory.at/revolverarquebus

[formal panther]

Aaaaaaa Right, didnt read that

passing this info to a friend of mine

sick, im gonna install this addon

[glacial lark]

just realized commissions cost 500-1000

im so broke

[wet gyro]

As an alternative to payment, you can write documentation for Config lib, or update VSImGui to latest ImGui version.

[glacial lark]

im too stupid for that

[tall yoke]

temporal gun wouldn't be as cool as temporal mechanical crossbow

[wet gyro]

I could totally see the HL2 crossbow but instead of rebar it's a metal rod that is temporaly charged or whatever

[cunning iron]

Like using a Temporal battery or something?

[tight valve]

Working on a commission. These pistols are huge...

[tall yoke]

we can now play pirate

as long as the target doesn't have 5 blunt resist

[tight valve]

Dont pirate bears then, and you will be fine

[thorny imp]

https://klipy.com/gifs/blackpink-blackbeard

[untold cedar]

Damn that’s pretty cool

[glacial lark]

10% proficiency is biggg

🔥

[tight valve]

I dont want to add buffs less than 10%, cause they cant really be felt in gameplay

Staking armor buffs/debuffs is an exception

[hearty harbor]

Seems like fun, but what would it actually do?

[formal panther]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-2-victor-saltzpyre-skaven-vt2-cyberpunk-2077-gif-1755468555140364019

Saltzpyre is back

[formal panther]

temporal fuckery

(i dunno lmao)

[pearl grail]

Blackholes

Or in Some Cases, a Railgun

[tall yoke]

a single use railgun is something vanilla would do

(and it would still do like a quarter of erel's hp)

[west gyro]

me omw to pay maltiez to make an m249 SAW

[tall yoke]

i would be fine with that

even more absurd than an ak

[wet gyro]

But it reloads like the revolver arquebus and you have to reload the 100/200 round belt one pellet at a time

[tall yoke]

sitting at night knitting your ammo belt

it would also be a big speed penalty but due to the way the game works it's a non issue

[tight valve]

So now you can carry 7 loaded pistols in sheats and slings

[wet gyro]

This looks absolutely ridiculous

[tall yoke]

just making those pistols will make you question if it was worth it

[tight valve]

7 pistols - 112 dmg (5 tier)
2 muskets - 128 dmg (9 tier)

[tall yoke]

you can have three muskets on your guy

[tight valve]

Ok, lets add an eighth one

[pale monolith]

The Eigth Drifter: X_x
The Nineth: O_o;

[thorny imp]

next up, combine the pistol swap with dual wielding

[tall yoke]

bandolier doesn't play an animation on my end

i just continuously hold one gun like it has 7 bullets

[tight valve]

Update firearms

[tall yoke]

still no animation

also pistols don't display tier

[tight valve]

Send client main logs

[tight valve]

Also you need to shoot or load a pistol at least once in new update, so it has unique id attached, so the lib can tell that item in the slot was changed

[tall yoke]

oh that could explain it

i load a pistol once and then dupe it all over the floor

[tight valve]

Wont work

[tight valve]

will fix

[tall yoke]

changing pistols in hotbar and switching animations (like priming) makes you do the pullout animation

[tight valve]

Priming does it once, because it assignes id to itemstack, and after game thinks item was changed

changing slots - yes

This animation is for selecting pistol, making it aware where it came from is a lot of work to implement, and more animations to make

[tall yoke]

that jank aside, this is amazing

can hardly see my clothing

[tight valve]

I will make it being marked with id on crafting, to remove some of the jank

[tall yoke]

this appliance canonizes the "hotbar full of guns" strat

[tall yoke]

since you can't see the clothes, it's no longer a fashion statement

it's a fashion threat

[tight valve]

8 pistols

[glacial lark]

😭

maltiez has gone mad with pistols

[tight valve]

I got a commission and then went a bit too far

[glacial lark]

now imagine revolving pistols lolol

i think extra firearms fork dev is working on those

[hearty harbor]

They are.

I'm also thinking of extending the Collier shotgun thing I'm working on to Collier pistols later.

Which are self-priming flintlocks.

By the way, you suggested asking with you about how you managed the bullet animation effect when there's no marker for it in VS animate. How did you manage that?

[tight valve]

You mean me? You add attachment point in your model that you animate, and specify in animation when attach bullet, flask and other stuff, and when detach it

You can look into firearms models and animation files

[hearty harbor]

Yep! And thanks!

[half hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/full-bore-and-into-the-abyss-davy-jones-abyss-dark-bore-gif-22332324

[west gyro]

no, you have to reload the belt before combat one round at a time

[half hearth]

Collab with the CartwrightsCaravn, Elk-carried wagon with a crank gatling gun on a wagon

https://tenor.com/view/django-tetarahublot-mini-gun-gatling-gun-gif-21661128

[wet gyro]

me omw to use a saw on the revolver arquebus and call it a day

[cold marsh]

I fricking ADORE the bandolier, I need one

Having a bunch of handguns on you is one of the hardest fit in human history

On the topic of this

Any of the few which are in this restricted circle of interest, do you know of any company that does reproduction Wheelock handguns? I only found The Rifle Shoppe (parts kits) and Saguaro Arms

(Real reproductions)

[pearl grail]

No, and to be honest, still been searching, but is still to much in terms of price.

[cold marsh]

Saguaro Arms sells an English style Wheelock for 600 something dollars

[pearl grail]

Sorry, I was looking at originals, a literal wheellock rifle is 12,000 dollars.

[cold marsh]

Yeah I don't got that budget for firearms

[pearl grail]

True

[pearl grail]

Then again, I got a c96 for 2k.

[cold marsh]

Lucky you, I'd like one as well

Though on the national used market I could get a lot of cool handguns, I saw a listing for a 1913 Brixia for some 900 euros

[tall yoke]

#gun-nut-channel

[pearl grail]

We wish.

We wish.

[cold marsh]

GunYap channel

[teal isle]

Can you attach a bayonet to a flintlock carbine? or can it only go on a musket?

[thorny imp]

only musket I think

[cold marsh]

A carbine is too short to benefit from a bayonet, at least for the period style of weapons, and style of bayonets

Socket and plug bayonets are too small, they are suited for Musket length weapons (so really long)

With the improvement of Breech mechanisms, doctrinal shift and powder quality we'll see military firearms become shorter, and bayonets much longer (Saber or Sword Style bayonets as they are often called)

[teal isle]

Feck

[half bridge]

anyone else encountered arm getting stuck in ADS position when using offhand pistol? only happens with offhand, using latest versions of everything for 1.21.6

[tight valve]

How exactly to reproduce it?

Is it right hand stuck when pistol is in the left hand?

[half bridge]

first happened when I was drawing pistol from holster into offhand with melee drawing into R-hand. but tried it with empty R-hand also and it seems to lock any time I ADS with it in offhand

doesnt happen if pistol is in main hand

[tight valve]

Can you please make a screenshot?

[half bridge]

sure, 1 sec

[tight valve]

Yeah, offhand pistol is broken...

Will fix

[half bridge]

first shot is equiped but not aiming, just realized it is not being help up vertically like normal. second shot ADS which looks normal just stays locked into ADS after releasing button

[dapper kernel]

combine that with like...extra firearms' pistols variants, or hell...
maybe revolvers when they come out?

you'll functionally never run out of shot.

[glacial lark]

Bowtorn: I count six shots, Seraph.
Seraph: I count eight guns, rust-beast.

[jade snow]

That's hilarious, I was actually just yelling at my screen (like I often do) because I couldn't equip a left & right pistol sheath at the same time (because I hadn't updated in a while) and started questioning why I should be limited to one pistol when I could reasonably carry eight!
A relief to see the offhand issues aren't just me though, I was so confused by the jank I recorded a video because I was sure it was my cursed installation causing it. Glad a fix is on the way!

[ornate star]

what is this for?

(i assume its this mod that adds it)

[kind elm]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/revolverarquebus

[ornate star]

oh

thanks

[sterile merlin]

why does the flintlock pistol use twice the powder of the wheellock pistol but do the same damage?

also you get a hilarious visual bug when you try to dual wield pistols now (something that used to work)

probably due to new anims

yeah flintlock pistol has 1.5x velocity of wheellock and uses 2x the powder, yet deals the same damage. That may need adjusted.

[sterile merlin]

oh another bug is that if you click on a gun in the handbook it now doesn't take you to the recipe for the gun. Like in a context like this:

in that case I can't get to it

but you can still get to the recipe from the search menu:

so 1st image fails to get to the recipe when I click it, 2nd image works

[tight valve]

Hm...

[neon crown]

orc firearm

[tall yoke]

we are officially anime

or monster hunter

add a big shield in the offhand and capcom will sue you

[tight valve]

No, we are officially warhammer

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3502673197&searchtext=deith

[tall yoke]

revolving variant

now capcom is definitely suing

[tight valve]

We get it, you dont like it, no need to repeat

These are not for the main mod anyway

So no need to raise panic either

[tall yoke]

who said i don't like it

this is awesome

[tight valve]

...

Ok

[pearl grail]

More like this:

[dawn schooner]

I have an issue of being unable to load gunpowder into gunpowder flasks. Don't know where else to report it.

[tall yoke]

rightclick with the flask

if that doesn't work reinstall the mod

[safe siren]

PARRY THIS YOU FILITH hahahaha..

[dawn schooner]

I reinstalled, did not fix the issue

[half bridge]

add a top hammer doubling as a front sight and you have the ultimate weapon for sure, slash pierce blunt, and ranged blunt 🤌

gun halberds and boar spears with 2 wheel lock pistols built into it are both real historical things surprisingly, i wonder how well they worked in practice

[half hearth]

Instead of axe rifle.. might I suggest.. Pimp Cane? 'Ornate Walking Stick'

[devout star]

Pike and shot in one weapon

[tall yoke]

threaded cane

[half hearth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pimp-walk-pimpin

[plush tendon]

what about...

[worldly veldt]

There are plans for black powder weapons with primer ignition ?

[tight valve]

...

Please, read the moddb page

[thorny imp]

percussion caps arent gonna be added bruh, go ask that on https://discord.com/channels/302152934249070593/1450278092982714502

[sterile merlin]

19th century technology? Yuck.

[half hearth]

Huhh

[pearl grail]

bruh

[sterile merlin]

Why you booing? Percussion cap guns were from early 1800s

[pearl grail]

Personally I would love to play War of Rights in Vintage Story.

Now, I have three Stoppler Revolvers in my Bandolier, two flintlock muskets, my flintlock pistol, and my steel sword to take on That Damn Bird!

[sterile merlin]

See that would be fun. But there's a bunch of other mid 19th century technology that would need to be added to the game to justify that.

Like you need more than just guns for a proper US Civil War experience :P

[pearl grail]

Cannons, paddle steamers, ballons, more comprehensive Chemestry system, etc.

[sterile merlin]

Cast iron

[pearl grail]

That too.

[sterile merlin]

Steam trains

Etc

[pearl grail]

Rusty rails, hopefully.

[sterile merlin]

Honestly the gap in tech between the revolution vs the civil war is kind of crazy. Not as crazy as civil war to WW1 though

[pearl grail]

Man, how technology flies.

[sterile merlin]

I find it insane that some veterans of the US Civil War would have seen WW1

[pearl grail]

True, how time flies.

[half bridge]

offhand fix is lookin good, mucho gracias

[modern rock]

Expanded firearms mod adds basically the revolver musket but pistol

[torpid salmon]

that's fucking sick

[half hearth]

All I can think of is some old fuck union guy swinging around a flintlock "OUR FIRST TWO WARS" In protest of the Springfield rifle being issued.

[sterile merlin]

LOL I was delving into a cave and one-shot a sawblade. I wish I got a clip of it. SO satisfying.

[tight valve]

You are lucky, head is not that big

[half hearth]

3 pistols plus a bossi carbine is OP for bug nest patrols if anyone here uses Wilderlands Rustbound creatures

Both shots from the carbine and one from a pistol will finish an aged nest, leaving two shots to assist with potential caretakers spawning off the nest

[sterile merlin]

doesn't sound OP tbh

sounds like a fair trade

isn't that like 3 gunpowder for one nest?

[dull crescent]

Is there a list of all the gun mods that are related to this mod
I know there are a few but I want more if there are any

[kind elm]

Revolver Arquebus mod by Maltiez,
Extra Firearms [FORK] by Manny56,
Glockmaker by GorgTheRed,

[dull crescent]

That last one is one I haven't checked yet

Thank you

Omg this was exactly what I was looking for

Incredible

[half hearth]

Moreso that you aren't spending 5 minutes just hacking tf out of it with a sword

[covert island]

Hey just curious is there any plans to add colored clay molds? Not a huge thing just feels slightly out of place with all the vanilla molds now looking different.

[tall yoke]

could make it fireclay exclusive instead

[sterile merlin]

no they're talking about adding the wildcard feature to the firearms molds which would allow all 12 clay color molds

(which is how other molds work)

1.21 changed the json syntax for all clay items so the current molds we have in firearms are just the 1.20 ones ported to the new syntax without wildcard added in

shit I could maybe work on that now

[weak spade]

Oh my god im in love.

Did this come to you in a vision or was this a commission?

[tight valve]

If someone makes a pull request - sure, otherwise not a priority

[glacial hill]

In case anyone is curious, I have experimentally determined that the bayonet uses spear proficiency.

[covert island]

Where could someone do that?

[tall yoke]

github

[covert island]

Ahh ok

[surreal dirge]

Had an issue where trying to aim any firearm just had it either in the center of the screen, or close enough to make proper aiming next to impossible

[tall yoke]

hands viewmodel position

should be 0

[surreal dirge]

I haven no idea what that's supposed to mean

[tall yoke]

game settings

there's an option called hands viewmodel position, some like that

it should be 0

[surreal dirge]

I doubt I would have changed it from the default, don't even recall seeing it

[surreal dirge]

Do you mean "First person hands Y-Position"?

[tall yoke]

yes

[surreal dirge]

Well, that explains things since it was at 10. XD

[half hearth]

I figured out how to recreate the animation stopping glitch pretty consistently

So, for whatever reason. It hates using a slot with all slots to the left of it filled, to draw the first pistol in the sequence. This will make it force you to swap off of and back to the next pistol to be able to aim and fire

But choosing a rightmost slot with open slots to its left, everything works fine, you can fire, itll do the animation, and you can immediately aim and fire the next pistol without having to swap off and back to it (Most of the time, still has the occasional issue.)

[split sage]

@tight valve Sorry to bother you, I'm currently trying to enable aiming and shooting for the revolver pistol that I made while having something in the offhand like a lantern. I have been going through the dll file and checking everywhere but I'm having no luck. Is the need for the offhand being empty for aiming and shooting coded in or is there a property I can use?

[tight valve]

It does not have offhand and one-handed support. I can add it, if you need it, but it can take me some time to get to it.

[split sage]

All right I understand. I would appreciate it if you add support for that in the future.

[tight valve]

I added 'TwoHanded' field, that should solve this exact issue

in 1.7.6

It is defined in base class, and should work, but for offhand usage it will require more stuff... Though you haven't asked about it, just about twohanded

[split sage]

Yes just to be able to aim and shoot while holding something, thank you.

[tight valve]

Please, confirm that it works

Ok, it will need some work, so you can shoot onehaned, but not load, I will look into it again later

[split sage]

Sorry, my sister baby needed attention, I tested it and it works and was able to load it as well.

[pale comet]

Is there a hint to find the blueprint to craft the end game fire arms I need some type of bp that drops from locust nest is there a dungeon i can go to. I talked to a trader and they have tons of maps they want to trade items for is one of them a bp location

[devout star]

Just got to break the nests you can find in caves till they drop one

[pale comet]

Shits rare asf

[glacial lark]

whic end game firearms?

i've gotten blueprint pieces just from killing enemies in the deep

and i mean real deep

[pale comet]

I got it off a bell shiver

Its for flintlock I think

[glacial lark]

🤔

i cant remember if you gotta be tinkerer to make muskets

maybe you are thinking of the Hall Rifle?

[pale comet]

I turned that setting off myself

Ooo i see all it does is save a steel plate vs a iron plate

[tall yoke]

steel plate is the glockmaker craft

so yes it's better to have the bp either way

[unkempt jewel]

Is there an IRL reason why pistols can only be made out of bronze or steel but not iron? I'm unfamiliar with the material properties needed (or maybe my mod is broken lol)

Also is it normal for iron sights to not line up with cursor? Tried out the arquebus a bit ago and they were considerably lower, lower third of the screen instead of center

[tall yoke]

hands viewmodel position in game settings

mod expects it to be 0

[unkempt jewel]

ty!

[tall yoke]

i think it's just a compromise for progression

but the extrafirearms fork has what you're looking for

it has every variant for every gun

[surreal dirge]

Nope, none at all

Just as there's no reason you couldn't make all-in one paper or cloth cartridges for a muzzle loaded firearm, it's purely a mod design choice

[unkempt jewel]

Is it for balancing? Like legit it’s not an issue just wanna understand the design choice

[unkempt jewel]

how do you find that and glockmaker in terms of balance? I like the expanded options but Firearms is already kind of pushing it haha

[tall yoke]

haven't played extensively with the fork but it seems quite good, it removed the arbitrary 5x damage multiplier from the original extrafirearms

glockmaker is underpowered if anything

also still buggy

[surreal dirge]

Under powered in my opinion

[unkempt jewel]

Sweet! Just wanna make sure I don’t have like 30 gun options but only one decent one lol

[tall yoke]

pistol and bossi are alright, peashooters relative to the rest

pistol is much less accurate but has a mobile reload

arquebus packs a punch but also eats more powder and has the annoying match to be wary of

carbine and musket are insanely strong

[wet gyro]

musket with bayonet is

[tall yoke]

that said musket is now balanced out by very high powder use

you wanna use it sparingly

or have the resources to back it up

[wet gyro]

Yeah by default but that can still be tweaked afaik

[elder shadow]

So, I have smithing plus installed and firearms, I believe smithing plus is the one that adds imperfections to some smelted items. It also adds them to the pistol barrels that are made with the molds. However we cannot hammer out the imperfections, we've tried all tiers of anvils, nothing worked.

[wet gyro]

Sounds like a smithing plus issue

[elder shadow]

Should I report the issue there as well?

[tight valve]

Yes

[elder shadow]

Okay, my apologies if I posted this issue in the wrong place

[wet gyro]

~~https://github.com/jayugg/SmithingPlus/issues~~

[tight valve]

Depends on how exactly they prefer for issues to be reported

[wet gyro]

True, they seem to not respond much to moddb comments so I assumed.

[tight valve]

Considering that there are few old and not closed issues here, better to just report in discord

[wet gyro]

https://discord.com/channels/302152934249070593/1301301068793118792

[bitter cargo]

hello!, sorry to bother

does anyone knows how to "kill" the "WaddingUsedPerReload" requirement?

[wet gyro]

Probably patch it from "WaddingUsedPerReload": 1, to "WaddingUsedPerReload": 0,

[bitter cargo]

i tried that and the result is very funny

the linen patch just refuses to die and becomes an infinite linen patch, beyond comprehension

it uses "0" of the linen patch per use

[tall yoke]

try removing the line in the json and see if it still works

[bitter cargo]

it still will ask for wadding,

[terse lynx]

@tight valve I've made a video featuring your mod in the past and I've been working on another one however I've realized with the new updates the reloading sounds for the firearms no longer work, I've done all the suggest mod troubleshooting (removing old mods clearing cache) without success, are there any plans that you will be re-adding them in the near future? (yes i am aware of the history lol)

[tall yoke]

he tried it and quickly gave up

[terse lynx]

awh rip, he could always try making it a single audio clip that speeds up based on reload speed, (tied to the animation) so instead of like several audio sounds needing to play 1 at a time it would just be 1 with all the sounds and if someone stops reloading the entire thing just stops, he does have two stages of reload already it would work temporarily, until he adds partial reloads (if he is going to)

[tall yoke]

stretching audio is a horrendous idea

and does the engine even support that?

[steel pier]

Maybe he'd do it for a million dollars

[near crag]

I swear to god there was an ammunition pouch in the firearms mod, what happened too it? Was it actually a separate mod?

[wet gyro]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/quiversandsheaths is where it's at

[near crag]

Seems it was separated. Thank you!

[gentle seal]

Random question, what exactly does this change lol?

[wind jolt]

I think it changes how much the gun moves around while aiming? I could be mistaken tho

[tall yoke]

sway

the guns barely sway now anyway

[wind jolt]

Yeah, that

[gentle seal]

Ahh, just kinda messing about & seeing how it goes lmao

[fluid peak]

Ayy

Any chance of us getting some super BEEFY shot sounds for this?

[tall yoke]

current ones aren't beefy enough for you?

[wind jolt]

nope

i need LOUD guns

[worldly veldt]

Has anyone suggested a Breechloading Flintlock?

[tight valve]

from firearms moddb page

[bitter cargo]

hello!

i was wondering about something tiny, is there a way to have a separate 3rd person and first person animation for aiming?

[tight valve]

add -tp to animation code so it will be used in tp

[bitter cargo]

OH thats the difference

thanks!

[bright creek]

Sounds like a suggestion for Extra Firearms https://discord.com/channels/302152934249070593/1450278092982714502

[wind jolt]

do you happen to know if this mod is compatible with sheaths and quivers?

nevermind, i got my answer

[tall yoke]

have you heard it ingame from 100m away

that shit reaches FAR

[wind jolt]

It doesn't sound as impactful as i wish it did

[tall yoke]

they sound like they should

you could obviously make it crunchy like an average game (especially before this decade) but that's not what co goes for

[half hearth]

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y8LDjz0tygA?si=7l9X3K6C3UZ-mM40

Could do with a little more pop to the audio

[final sleet]

Have those somewhere

[west gyro]

hall rifle from extra firearms

[dire sigil]

You should look into the possibility to add shot towers for bulk ammunition making.

[bright creek]

Ah yes the "drop molten metal from a tower" method of making pellets

[dire sigil]

I mean it works

Think of it functionally as a giant bullet mold

[wind jolt]

Idk why we would need this but it sounds fun

[cunning iron]

Would be good for those servers who do the war stuff

Mass production of bullets

and also just those who mainly use firearms

[delicate pier]

just so you know i am trying and failing on how to put this thing into an actual gun base to make it function

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1422800270290587673/1478675856561012736/image.png?ex=69a943b4&is=69a7f234&hm=43d5e09a7492a4bd863175fc78f7d24385ce59d17ee13ef81f6291d7424e49eb&

it even spins

but i cant get it to work at all to make it work as a replacement for any of the exsiting guns to make sure the model even works

the barrel is more packed now

if someone can help me that would be fantastic

@tight valve is it possible to make a gun that continuously fires like this or not i dont want to waste time making this if its not

[tall yoke]

with code anything is possible

[fluid peak]

Make one barrel of rotation a loop of the animation

[bitter cargo]

What part are you having problem with?

Use the musket itemtype and change the state to the gun name and shape references to the model to get the model working, leave the class type as musket

[delicate pier]

Thats what i did and it was crashing the game every time i loaded it up

[bitter cargo]

probly because of textures

does the shape file has any #0 or #nulls or textures that arent well directed /referenced?

oh the crashlog would be amazing to see whats up

[delicate pier]

I left it completely untextured so it wouldnt have textures to break

[bitter cargo]

oh yeah, it could be that

make it so everything has a single texture if you only wanna see the model quickly

[delicate pier]

I have done this before and had no issues tho

Why is it happening now

[bitter cargo]

no idea, i just know that models can crash the game in world loading if they have a "Null display"

[delicate pier]

Ok well do you know of any guns that have a continuous fire mode that use ammo as they fire

[bitter cargo]

in vintage story modding scene?, nae, the revolver rifle from maltiez is the closest

guns can have multiple ammos and shot withouth priming if you edit the itemtypes tho

but full auto as keep click press and keep firing, nae

[delicate pier]

Im probably gonna have to make this weapon a backpack slot weapon because of it being a hand held gatling

I might be able to figure something out by making the firing and priming animations repeat be be the same animation maybe

Because currently they are set to set and stop animation

[delicate pier]

ok so its working in game but the animations that i made to make sure its barrel spins its not working

its using the animations from the musket

how do i animate this thing in game like its trying to use the musket animations for loading and firing still do i need to use the dev version of overhaul lib

cause if i need overhaul libs dev version i need a new version

[delicate pier]

i will look in to how he got it to load multiple shots and see about making it fire continuously as a 1 round per second

but now i need to firgure out how to animate the weapons because im at a road block maltiez isn't responding and im kinda confused if this is something that can be done with the firearms mod or not

because if it isnt im gonna have to write out the code to make it possible

[bitter cargo]

yes!

you need to use the dev version of overhaul lib

animations are stored on a different place, check out maltiezfierarms->config->animations to see how theyre handled, theyre made with overhaul lib developer mode ingame, once you set them up with the tools copy ingame->paste in animations file (make sure theyre well placed, no extra comas or brackets for example) rename and reference in the itemtype

[delicate pier]

Thanks for this but heres the problem the dev lib is out of date

Im working on 1.21

It states to ask maltiez to make an update if needed he seems to be busy so my gun creation is dead in the water till that gets updated

[delicate pier]

Thank you so much i will use that in the morning

[subtle nymph]

btw, does it say anywhere that firearms is not compatible with 1.22.pre?

[subtle nymph]

Because my world won't generate with just it, combat overhaul and extra firearms enabled 🙁

[tall yoke]

game updated to dotnet 10

mods need to be updated for it

[reef spindle]

this is so sad, i'm gonna need to change like one file in my mod

[subtle nymph]

Thank you for the clarification

[bitter cargo]

i love you maltiez

aaaa, i would love to make a collab gun to conmemorate!

is there a gun that doesnt uses wadding or gunpowder you would like to see made?

[bright creek]

Cartidges 🤔

[sharp iris]

glockmaker bolt action rifles, trench shotun and lever action

[bitter cargo]

yeah, but im talking about making a new one

[bright creek]

Kalthoff Repeater

[bitter cargo]

Also, yes

Cartridges

[wind jolt]

Oh my

-# I don't know what I'm looking at

[bright creek]

12 gauge to the left of the seraph probably

actually

more like 30mm

autocannon rounds 👿

[wind jolt]

Those are not the cartridges i expected on the page of this mod

[bitter cargo]

Were you talking about paper ones?? Yes those could be done too now!

[wind jolt]

I need a speed loader for my guns so bad 😭

[tall yoke]

the mysterious reload speed config option

[wind jolt]

I want something that feels like progression though, not just tweaking a value

[tall yoke]

only way to speedload a muzzleloader would be cartridges

something malt won't do (unless commissioned)

[wind jolt]

Man

How dare the game be like this, now i wanna code

[tight valve]

one cant commission me to change a mod, only to make a new one

[tall yoke]

well you did mention it a few times

[tight valve]

as a separate mod - mb

[tight valve]

ppl were constantly asking for colt navy

[surreal dirge]

Could probably take some inspiration from old air powered guns

Fun note: early air guns could at times be better than firearms of the same periods

[olive turret]

Bolt action firearm being 50% off?

What does that mean

500 bucks for a black powder bolt action? Those existed?

[reef spindle]

i mean, technically black powder can be used in modern guns

my mod's bolt action uses black powder, mainly because i cannot be bothered to make a process for more modern powder

[surreal dirge]

Fun fact: black powder .45ACP rounds can successfully cycle M1911's a few times before there's too much waste buildup, a feet more impressive than a black powder bolt-action

But also yes, bolt action rifles that used black powder cartridges did exist, the Dreyse needle gun as one example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_needle_gun

[bitter cargo]

alright

colt navy it is then

i only have one question!

[tall yoke]

no question to be seen

[bitter cargo]

i was preparing a example to visualize it better but the program crashed out so

✌️

[delicate pier]

Thats gonna make that gatling gun so much easier to make

[reef spindle]

damn i'm out here being shown up, gotta step up my game

(jk, excited to see the other gun mods that come out)

[bitter cargo]

i actually love glockmaker

[reef spindle]

yeah, unfortunately development is paused until it can be worked on for 1.22

[tepid radish]

girandoni air rifle in VS...........

[west gyro]

glockinator

https://tenor.com/view/glockinator-burst-fire-gif-10139191522598938132

[bitter cargo]

model for the colt is done!

which means the fun part is over

[tidal hornet]

I think he means that out of the 1000$ or 500$ price tag for a black powder weapon, it'd be 50% off the 1000$ or 500$ price tags for maltiez to completely make it from scratch

aka, he gives a discount for something hes more willing to make

Not that the weapon itself is 500 dollars. Pretty sure if it was then that would be outrageously expensive for back then given how much weight a "dollar" had when compared today's money

[tight valve]

I think they meant, if refiles like this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzqQlQ49oA&list=PL9e3UCcU00TQwIj2_TigjB0gAt-JQOD04&index=41 existed

[tidal hornet]

perhaps.

Though I am in the opinion the mod should stay as flintlocks/breachloaders and go no further

thats your choice of course

[tight valve]

No new firearms are planned to be added to the main mod

Any commission will be a separate mod

[tidal hornet]

Figured as much

[proper cairn]

Silver bullets would be cool but there is no reason for them. 😔

[tall yoke]

add werewolves and add silver bullets

problem solved

[proper cairn]

🤣

[reef spindle]

can only be killed by silver bullets too

hope you like panning through boney soil

[tall yoke]

who tf pans for silver

you nuke quartz

panning for anything except candles and trinkets is a scam

[surreal dirge]

I'd say there's plenty of reason to add more bullet materials: giving players more use for metals they don't particularly need, the biggest problem I could see is that a few metals don't really work for bullets

[bitter cargo]

maybe the fantastical parts of vintage story could allow for more bullet materials to flourish, like using electrum as a glorified hollow point, or using uranium as a really hard hitter

[reef spindle]

cannot wait to have two thousand rounds of depleted uranium and an itchy trigger finger in vintage story

[surreal dirge]

Uranium is used IRL for better armor penetration

[tidal hornet]

I pan for gears, candles, trinkets and copper when I cant find any copper deposits until like year 2 where I find deposits everywhere

why is it only in the early game, surface copper can be so hard to find sometimes?

[tall yoke]

panning for copper is a psyop by big rightclick

always hold w, more efficient

[tidal hornet]

real

[frank latch]

@tight valve Planning on making some changes to a mod based on your mod, just gonna ask for permission to do it from you, since some of your code and modeling will probably be used due to it coming from this mod. You'll be credited, along with the other creator.

[tight valve]

Dont reupload or copypaste code/assets, just make an addon or patches mod

[supple fractal]

is the firearms mod working with the new update? i am unable to load past the first two lines when creating a world

[thorny imp]

idk I havent tried any weapons mods in the new update

alot of mods crash the game

[reef spindle]

iirc, 1.22 runs on a different dot net version, so a lot of mods have to be edited

[frank latch]

Oh 100%, it's gonna be an LMG, Semi-auto rifle, and maybe a bolt action sniper

[covert aspen]

The animations for reloading in this mod are amazing, the look and feel of the guns fit the game perfectly.
Especially the arquebus is my favourite in terms of aesthetics.

[covert aspen]

Is there a sheath or such that holds the arquebus?

[reef spindle]

i don't know about a sheath, but i know you can put them in slings

[covert aspen]

When looking up sling in game I only see the sling weapon and pouch, is there a particular name for the one for firearms?

[tall yoke]

do you have the q&s mod

well you do cause you mentioned the pouch

update the mod

[wind jolt]

Quivers and sheaths, also has things for swords and other stuff. Made by Maltiez, too

[covert aspen]

Thanks, I suppose my version of the mod is probably just out of date.

[bitter cargo]

Pretty sure is the weapon sling

It should let you carry carbines and muskets atleast

[covert aspen]

I think I'm just on an older version and they might have been added since. I presumed that the game would automatically update mods but in retrospect that'd be unwise.

[wind jolt]

Older version of the firearms mod?

[covert aspen]

Quivers and sheaths, I realize in retrospect I should have asked in that thread, I hadn't thought to check for one though until I asked the question.

[charred nymph]

What mod are the cartridges from?

[bitter cargo]

one im working on

[charred nymph]

Can't wait to see it!

[bitter cargo]

thanks!

[bitter cargo]

the colt is up✌️

[novel atlas]

un

[charred nymph]

link pls :3

nvm found it and holy moly this looks awesome!!!

didn't even know about the nekpo! so excited to try these out

[bitter cargo]

btw, sorry to bother again, is there a way to make projectiles break on impact? (i had posted this same message on another wrong thread sorrry)

[bitter cargo]

also thanks, i hope you like the animations

[tight valve]

Yes, I will look into it after I move my mods onto 1.22

[novel atlas]

when did I write this ToT

[bitter cargo]

thanks!, i look foward to it!

[split sage]

In the entities json file for the bullet they have a line that is "minSeconds" if you put the time to 1 it will despawn after 1 second. The entities is the projectile that is fire.

[covert aspen]

What's the setting to modify the vertical offset for firearms? Is it clientside?

[tight valve]

In game settings: hands hight or something like this

[covert aspen]

Could you tell me where particularly it is? I apologise but I cannot find the name.

Apologies, I have it sorted

Would you happen to know if there's an equivalent for x position?

[tight valve]

nope

You have player model mod and it does not play well with firearms?

[covert aspen]

I am afraid so yeah. Just installed a race overhaul mod today to play as a dwarf.

[tight valve]

You can ask the author to adjust animations for their model

[covert aspen]

That's a fine shout, thank you.

[tight valve]

If you remind me about this issue after I update my mods to 1.22, I will probably make mod config settings for firearms to manually adjust them in such cases

Rn I'm focused on updating to 1.22, so I dont work on 1.21 versions of new features

[bitter cargo]

hey maltiez i might be dumb but, how do you set up the "WaddingUsedPerReload": 0 on revolvers?

[tight valve]

"WaddingUsed"

in each stage

[bitter cargo]

OH, thank you so much!

[pearl grail]

Hey guys, I know this is about firearms and such, but I was using Rusty Shells, and the Machine Gun has a bit of a problem, like it's rotating itself, turning left essentially, while firing, is there a command of sorts in the files to help me change it?

[shell jolt]

You might want to ask in here https://discord.com/channels/302152934249070593/1147947048491032576 instead, this is for a different firearms mod

[brisk sonnet]

This channel is specifically for malt’s firearm mod not firearm mods in general. I’d check if that mod has a specific thread/forum or if they have their own discord.

Synchronized moment.

[pearl grail]

@brisk sonnet , @shell jolt : Thanks

[brisk sonnet]

Happy to help

[covert aspen]

What's the steel cylinder for?

[chilly falcon]

https://mods.vintagestory.at/revolverarquebus

also the colt navy mod uses it

[covert aspen]

Okay, do you know why the cylinder is in the base firearms mod?

[chilly falcon]

i don't, no

it's not used in the Firearms mod itself

[cunning iron]

Could be the main code for firearms includes the revolver code so its in firearms for that

[wind jolt]

Also, extra firearms mod uses it for the revolver flintlock

[weak spade]

i assume maltiez keeps it in the main mod to keep it easier for other people to use and build off of.

also easier for people who may download multiple mods that make use of it.

[smoky pike]

Question.

Why I would pick the carbine over the, musket?

The musket deals double the carbine's damage, with the only drawback being a 3 second longer recharge.

There might be something that I'm missing.

[patent steeple]

powder cost

[covert aspen]

The carbine also slows you down less if I recall correctly.

But arguably unless you want to shoot a bear or very high tier drifter/bow torn/other thing, the carbine is just most pleasant to use

It's my favourite hunting weapon in this mod.

[tall yoke]

much cheaper, much less powder cost

but if you can afford the hefty 8 powder per shot, yeah musket is just better

8 powder as in items, not units

[smoky pike]

Hm, I see.

I wonder...

Can you move while reloading?

Is there also reload checkpoints?

[tall yoke]

pistol only

that's its unique quirk

[tall yoke]

loading, priming, then match application if it's a matchlock

flintlocks are the best but they're endgame

matchlocks are generally the worst but they don't require any perks to make and very accessible to use and massproduce

wheellocks are peashooters but they're cool and satisfying

[covert aspen]

Matchlocks are still fairly good for small game, they've the benefit of hitting reasonably hard with the cheaper ammo and lesser powder use.

[tall yoke]

powder use is inefficient compared to wheellocks

the advantages matchlocks have are breakpoints, accessibility and cost

[covert aspen]

There are no wheel locks effective against deers though? And I find the smaller prey are less worth hunting.

[tall yoke]

hence, breakpoints

[covert aspen]

Also would you happen to have a resource on the powder usage? Until recently I bsd been playing an older version and the difference in powder use seemed only one to two?

Per linen and lead the arquebus is most efficient.

[tall yoke]

with default configs:
wheellocks - 1 powder
matchlocks - 3 powder
carbine - 4 powder
musket - 8 powder

matchlocks used to be most efficient

[covert aspen]

Ah grand, I am used to the old values then.

With barrel length you'd expect pistols to be less efficient in powder usage, but then I suppose they'd also get less usage.

[covert aspen]

I just think pistols conventionally shouldn't be the most powder efficient as they require a finer grained powder and they lose more velocity as the projectile is accelerated over less time.

[surreal dirge]

How long you take accelerating the projectile has no impact on how long the projectile retains the velocity it has

[covert aspen]

What? The longer you accelerate a projectile with the same given powder charge the higher the initial velocity will be to a certain point, that is my argument. Pistols have short barrels, the projectile tends to exit the barrel before all of the powder has burnt.

I may have worded it awkwardly, but my argument is short barrel loses potential energy from the powder, not that it slows more quickly after leaving the barrel on account of it being short.

So it feels off that all the most powder efficient weapons have short barrels.

[surreal dirge]

I'd say you worded it terribly, not merely "awkwardly"
And the whole reason faster burning powder is used for pistols is to minimize the powder wasted with incomplete combustion of the powder

[covert aspen]

And even then the faster burning powder would work better in a longer arm, if that arm is built to account for the pressure.

[surreal dirge]

In realistic combat at the ranges pistols are effective, pistols are the most powder efficient, the biggest advantage long guns have is range

[covert aspen]

Pistols are purely a compromise for handiness, on what grounds are they more efficient for powder use?

[surreal dirge]

Smaller amount of powder needed for proper function of the firearm, while still getting the job done as long as the firearm and ammunition are competently designed

[covert aspen]

But given the same charge of powder and same projectile in a barrel that is say twice as long, you would still see a greater muzzle velocity, until you reach the cut off that any additional length of barrel will start slowing the projectile down due to friction.

[surreal dirge]

Right, you're arguing an irrelevant point given literally nothing in this mod uses the same powder charge while having different barrel lengths
Outside of that, using a firearm and ammunition designed for each other will be more efficient over-all than the same ammunition in a weapon that can take it, but is optimized for something else

[covert aspen]

Then why does it make sense that using a wheellock pistol which uses 1 powder, does 2/3 the damage of a far longer weapon firing the same calibre projectile with 3 times the powder charge.

[surreal dirge]

Barrel quality perhaps? Iron kinda sucked early on

Bronze genuinely was better for making firearms for a decent length of time than iron because it was both easier to work with and more durable

A pistol length barrel would also be easier to clean

[covert aspen]

Bronze has definitely been uzed for making cannons, but I've not heard of a bronze barreled small arm, and cannons are on the opposite end of the spectrum from pistols.
And my argument is that the arequbus should just use less powder, based on the differences in damage.

[surreal dirge]

Bronze hand cannons of various lengths existed

Only reason bronze wasn't really used for more advanced black powder firearm designs before decent steel was cost, ignoring largely cosmetic use which brass also saw

[wind jolt]

Idk, i read it just fine

[wind jolt]

If it uses 3 times the gunpowder and has a much longer barrel (so the projectile has more time to accelerate) shouldn't it deal more damage?

I think from a realism standpoint, it should, but maybe not so much from a gameplay standpoint

Making it use less gunpowder would definitely help it be balanced and a little more realistic

[weak spade]

I think the fact that arquebus only deals .25 more damage than the pistols is purely a gameplay thing. Its a video game so you cant balance everything over the granularity of reality.

[latent barn]

Hmmm

Bolt action rifles when

[wet gyro]

"No new firearms or paper cartridges are planned. And won't be in the future."

[latent barn]

Yea it's a joke

Anywho, do you think the arqebus is good?

[reef spindle]

#1430621052505030780

[wet gyro]

Dunno, my friend mains Musket, I main Revolver Arquebus
Revolver fun

[weak spade]

I think the windless crossbow is a better arquebus from a gameplay standpoint.
For me, the boon of guns is being able to draw and shoot them immediately, but needing to prime the match before shooting makes me think, "i can spend the same time readying a bolt on a crossbow and be doing more damage for no gunpowder, lead, or linen cost."

Revolver arquebus is dope as fuck though. I second the recommendation on that.

[covert aspen]

I'd love the arquebus if it didn't mean I had to weird things everytime I wished to cross a body of water. It's honestly the primary reason I use the carbine, not the higher damage.

[wind jolt]

Yeah, matchlocks aren't very good guns, wheel lock and flintlock are way better since you don't have to put the match on them

As long as you prime them beforehand, you can shoot instantly

[covert aspen]

God I wish I could convert the arquebus to use a wheellock

[tall yoke]

extrafirearms has that

[latent barn]

It also has the extremely broken handgonne

The gun is genuinely too good, 2 shots a bear

There's been times whe and I was chased up and done wn by an animal and an arqebus would have taken 2 shots while the handgonne just 1 shot it

[covert aspen]

Yeah I'd thought about installing extra firearms for that, but I'm against the revolver tech which seems way too effective for the tech level, especially the revolver musket

[tall yoke]

revolver arquebus is a malt mod

not from extra

extra just adds a pistol variant

[covert aspen]

There's a revolver musket in extra, it's 4 shots of 64 damage.

[tall yoke]

ok he's gone off the rails now

probably got inspired by the mod he forked

which originally had an arbitrary 5x damage multiplier on all guns

[reef spindle]

this the kind of shit people expect me to put in glockmaker i swear

[covert aspen]

I have no intent of being harsh on the dev, but it looks like some of the things like that or the jezail which does even more damage than the musket seem overtuned, alternatives to the base weapons seem more interesting than straight upgrades, and I don't believe anything like that could be effectively made with the level of technology.

[tall yoke]

yes we have time magic but we cannot possibly have the technology of revolving cylinders with big lead balls inside

[covert aspen]

I mean as a flintlock revolving musket seems off, there's no gas seal so there's no reason it shoud hit as hard as a musket, and the risk of chain fire.

[tall yoke]

would you ever use it if it could misfire and kill you

[velvet inlet]

call it a risk/reward mechanic

[wind jolt]

It costs a tiny bit more, it has a damage multiplier of 2.125, as compared to the musket's 2, but the damage is one tier below

Unless they changed that in a newer update

The revolver musket is probably too good tho, since it reloads FASTER than a musket and deals the same damage

Like, at least lock the cylinder tech to specific schematic

Maybe that could be an idea for the revolver arquebus, needing a specific schematic to make the steel cylinder, or schematic to use it

Since i have no idea how you could lock a smithing recipe to a schematic

[latent barn]

What does it use?

[covert aspen]

Sorry, I edited the message, though I initially said matchlock, I meant wheellock

Matchlock is what it initially uses

[latent barn]

Yea

[indigo arrow]

Do ya'll usually go for a carbine first or a musket

[glacial hill]

Musket, myself

Keep it in reserve for when there's a bellhead shiver that needs to have been dead five seconds ago

[tall yoke]

carbine now has much more applicability since the powder changes, so first batch i would go for that now

musket is a machine for oneshotting something that displeases you

[weak spade]

ill never get tired of pulling the trigger and watching a royal pain in the ass fall to the floor.

[hearty harbor]

It's a real thing.

Actually, there were a few different designs.

[covert aspen]

But would they have hit as hard as a proper military musket?

[hearty harbor]

Mostly because they were typically highly elaborate guns designed for wealthy individuals and hunters, who could afford to pay a lot more per unit for a very high quality weapon.

As opposed to the "Good enough" approach for military firearms.

In real life, they were also often a lot more finicky.

[covert aspen]

Do you know were they carried with each pan primed? Or was it preferred to prime the pan only before firing?
I don't know if it's a realistic concern as I've never handled a muzzle loader but I wonder if powder would fall out of the bottom pan.

[hearty harbor]

The used designs all have pan covers to prevent that concern, as with the revolving musket design for the firearms mod proper. Let me get a picture.

https://mods.vintagestory.at/revolverarquebus

Here's the real weapon:

Those brass rectangles with the steel mechanisms on them are covers for the pans.

They stop the powder getting out, or anything else getting in.

You'd just pull them away when rotating it into firing position.

[covert aspen]

That one does look beautiful, could they really handle the same loads as military arms though?

[hearty harbor]

A lot of historical designs, since they had issues with gas seals due to lacking modern materials, instead had an overlapping cylinder and barrel design. In effect, you'd pull the cylinder back, revolve it manually, then let it go and it'd push forwards into the barrel.

That meant it'd seal sufficiently for minimal gas leakage.

[covert aspen]

Akin to the nagant revolvers then?

[hearty harbor]

Yep! Although usually overlapping a bit more.

Aside from that, being custom made meant there was usually a higher quality of work in general, including metal and parts.

[covert aspen]

Ah thank you for your explanations!
I'll concede then it's more realistic than I thought though I would still question the balance of the weapon.

[hearty harbor]

I unfortunately don't have a chart detailing the effective loads for a lot of these designs, just because they're so rare, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were able to take comparative powder loads.

[hearty harbor]

The main difference is really that one's a unique handcrafted incredibly expensive custom weapon, and the other is a standard mass produced one.

The balance is definitely a concern stemming from that.

If you're familiar with more modern weapons, there's a ton of incredibly strong, interesting, or otherwise useful weapon designs that nonetheless weren't used for various reasons. Mostly logistics and cost.

Or, for older weapons, stuff like the Ferguson rifle.

Very fast to reload, but also incredibly expensive, finicky, and difficult to maintain.

For the cost of a revolver musket, a proper military might be able to get a dozen normal muskets, which will win out every time.

[hearty harbor]

And no worries! It's fun to chat about - although I'd highlight that I'm by no means an expert, so that's only to the best of my understanding of things.

[covert aspen]

Ah all that you've said does make sense and especially in a video game context I couldn't think of fun ways to model maintenance or reliability to balance out historical experiments or bespoke weapons. If there was a way, the Lorenzoni would strike me as a really cool in game firearm.

[surreal dirge]

The Kalthoff repeater is another good example of a multi-shot black powder firearm that was too expensive to see wide spread use

Flintlock rifles with 5-30 round capacity depending on caliber

[wind jolt]

Ig since you have to smith the steel cylinders for both the revolver arquebus and the revolver musket, that does kinda make it less mass produceable

I wish the cylinder recipe was harder to make though

[grim crest]

I would really love if we could have separated reload animations for different ammo types

obviously with muskets and blunderbuss this doesn't.... really make a big difference, unless you put something vastly different into the blunderbuss maybe, but useful for other gun types.

[tight valve]

None of existing firearms need it, so I see no point in adding it

[rain veldt]

throwing obsidian into a blunderbuss so it absolutely shreds people without armor

[tall yoke]

slashing damage shot

[bitter cargo]

loading my musket with depleted uranium

[wind jolt]

Loading my revolver arquebus with square rounds to inflict more pain upon the unholy drifters

[proper cairn]

What are the effective ranges of the various guns?

[surreal dirge]

I mean, in VS you'd just use natural uranium since there's no meaningful difference between the isotopes for game play purposes

[grim crest]

mostly just easy framework for other people to use (or maybe i just want to put silverware into my blunderbuss, who knows)

ultimately a nice to have not a need to have though

[tight valve]

Firearms mod is not a framework though, it is just a regular mod

I can add small features to existing classes, if it makes others life easier, but not full-fledged features

[grim crest]

I was not sure how big of an undertaking it would be, honestly wasn't even sure if this wasn't just already possible and I just didn't know

[west gyro]

if you want that feature then you do it

[latent barn]

best wheel lock gun?

[tall yoke]

there's only two

mobile reload shit accuracy or double shot stationary reload okay accuracy

[chilly falcon]

bossi is a good opener because 2 shots

if whatever i shot is still alive then i start whacking it

[indigo arrow]

Need a reminder but whats the powder cost for arquebus, carbine, and musket again?

[weak spade]

Someone else can fact check me if im wrong but I remember 3, 5, and 8 respectively.

Actual gunpowder being used. Not flask durability.

[smoky pike]

Question, I need help on something.

I found a flintlock schematic, but it seems useless.

It has no recipes linked to it.

Its the complete schematic btw.

How do I craft firearms then?

It is bugged?

[covert aspen]

What other mods are you using?

[smoky pike]

Extra firearms.

[covert aspen]

no racial classes overhaul? Just asking as that's one particular mod I know could have the effect.

[tall yoke]

reinstall the mod

[latent barn]

I just made a bossi... Genius or waste of resources?

[tall yoke]

durable, reliable, strong for basic targets within its tier range

highly powder efficient

[latent barn]

Yea I need that

[tall yoke]

wheellocks are kind of a luxury compared to matchlocks, they take a lot more resources to make

but if you wanna make them you can't go wrong

[latent barn]

Should I build up a Wheelock arsenal, or should I just make steel (I play on a server and I do not wanna make steel so idk)

I also am a clockmaker so it's cheap for me to make shit

[tall yoke]

flintlocks are the strongest by far but like what are your usecases

[latent barn]

Revolver musket (Ik that's the plus mod DW)

Carbine

Musket

Pistol

[tall yoke]

you listed the guns

not the usecases

[latent barn]

1: bears

2: mammoths

[tall yoke]

for bears your only option is flintlocks

[latent barn]

3: inventory space

[tall yoke]

carbine and musket

mammoths idk i don't use fotsa

[latent barn]

4: tigers

5: lions

[latent barn]

Yea

[tall yoke]

check their tiers, gun's tier must be equal or higher to their blunt defense tier

otherwise damage gets halved and you might as well not bother

[latent barn]

I play on a homo sapiens server where animals are bumped up in aggression and there are added predators so instead of crawlers or wtv hunting you it's nature itself

[latent barn]

I mean 4 shots with an arqebus for a mammoth

Not bad

Copper bullets too

Dude I just need sulfur

That's one of if not the only limiting factors

[tall yoke]

hit the sediment and you'll have it in no time

[devout star]

Quivers and sheaths mod fixes that problem

[wind jolt]

A musket should suffice, i think?

[indigo arrow]

muskets 2 shot them with lead slugs

very good for big game hunting and emergency bear defense

[strange lagoon]

Hey everyone, probably someone asked about that before, but I missed it, when the mod will be updated to the new versions of the game?

[indigo arrow]

Theres no timeframe or eta, Maltiez said hes working on making CO and his other mods ready for 1.22 but it won't be a quick process ofc

[west gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-kirk-tuesday-kirk-tuesday-captain-tuesday-tuesday-star-trek-tuesday-gif-25241610

[wind jolt]

When it's done

[smoky pike]

Question

Everyone can craft firearms regardless of their class right?

[primal hollow]

Yes

[smoky pike]

Oh I see.

I might had mixed the class exclusive recipes with extra firearms.

That mod is broken as we speak right?

[gaunt sun]

It works fine for me

[wind jolt]

Also for me

Technically some weapon parts can only be crafted by some classes

Also, idk if clockmaker is the only class that can make pistols

[covert aspen]

I believe you can buy the wheel locks from a treasure trader so technically no

Though it's much easier for them

Especially if you want a full brace and a bossi to spare.

[smoky pike]

Question

Can someone tell me how much gunpowder each weapon uses?

Im not at my pc to check myself.

Please

[chilly hedge]

@tight valve hi how much is a firearm commission?

[tight valve]

What is written on Firearms moddb page

[hearty harbor]

$1000.

For the one you're wanting.

[chilly hedge]

Okay I'll get back to you in 3 weeks regarding it assuming this is correct. @tight valve

Oh also before I go this is the mechanism in question. Otherwise it's a fairly normal musket. @tight valve

I'll get back to you in 3 weeks

If this is too complicated for 1000 I'm willing to pay extra.

[tight valve]

its fine, but I have no idea where you should get in game percussion caps

[hearty harbor]

The easiest way to do it would be requiring something like expanded chemicals or lasovier.

[chilly hedge]

It doesn't need to necessarily be a 1-1 copy, really just a side loaded box of shot that moves right as fired is all I want, it can be a flintlock if that's somehow possible

[tight valve]

Do we have mercury in vanilla?

[split sage]

Well I'm currently working on a Caplock firearm mod

https://mods.vintagestory.at/show/mod/45076

[tight valve]

So what is your solution?

[split sage]

My mod does add the entire process for the percussion cap and I have been designing the mod to act as a repository for everything needed for caplock firearms

[tight valve]

May be it makes sense to make a base mod with everything required for firearms, parts, ammunition, equipment... May be later

How many mods there are that depend on Firearms?

[split sage]

Around 10 I think

[wind jolt]

Cinnabar is the closest we have rn

[bitter cargo]

Uff

[bitter cargo]

Theres a bunch, and its only gonna get growing as people make more/the knowledge to make them is more spread (since people seek weapon authors to get help to make their own)

Its a really good mod to make addons on once you get the hang of it

[astral bone]

What is this, i love it?

[small blade]

will this mod be ported to 1.22 after stable release or is there a possiblity of it coming to the test version?

[smoky pike]

I also got a question

How much gunpowder does each firearm use?

I only know that the carbine uses 5 and the musket 8.

I also see that the flask only has capacity for 2 stacks of gunpowder despite it says it has around 515 durability (capacity)

[dusk pond]

It will be updated after stable, mod auth has said he will not update any mods before stable

[tight valve]

Thats false, I do update mods before stable, and all my libs are already updated. But when I finish refactoring and updating this mod - no ETA yet.

[covert aspen]

I'd like to request the powder usage of firearms be mentioned on the mod page if it's not too much of a hassle, it just seems the most often question asked in here

[smoky pike]

Heh

[smoky pike]

Still I wonder if someone knows.

[wind jolt]

Does anyone know what increasing the amount of durability per gunpowder does? Does it reduce the gunpowder capacity?

[rigid quest]

If anyone else might be interested, Lazzarino Historic Arms (an offshoot of Brixia) announced that they're making available reproduction wheellocks. I missed the announcement back in late February. 😅

14mm/.50/28ga and 16mm/.62/20ga respectively. I know I'm sure excited!

[smoky pike]

I do believe nobody does.

[reef spindle]

the powder flask's capacity is only based off of its durability, not how many gunpowder items you actually stored in it

[smoky pike]

And how much durability you use per gun?

If it is not much trouble ofc.

[reef spindle]

in order from cheapest load to most expensive load, according to the source files

wheellock pistol: 3 load, 1 prime (4)
bossi carbine: 3 x 2 load, 1 prime (7)
flintlock pistol: 7 load, 1 prime (8)
matchlock arquebus: 11 load, 1 prime (12)
matchlock blunderbuss: 11 load, 1 prime (12)
flintlock blunderbuss: 15 load, 1 prime (16)
carbine: 15 load, 1 prime (16)
musket: 31 load, 1 prime (32)

in terms of damage/powder, bossi is marginally the best, wheellock pistol being second

other than that you get a fairly consistent 2 damage/powder with the exception of blunderbuss' at 3

[grim crest]

im about to make it 11 soon

[smoky pike]

Oh you are a lifesaver, thanks.

I hope the message gets pinnen eventually for anyone that asks in the future.

[reef spindle]

huh. apparently i have that power, but will refrain as this is not my thread

[smoky pike]

Ok so I've been doing the measurements myself in order to be sure of it:
Wheelock pistol = 1 gunpowder/4 flask units
Bossi carbine = 2 gunpowder/8 flask units
Blunderbuss = 3 gunpowder/12 flask units
Arquebus = 3 gunpowder/12 flask units
Flintlock pistol = 2 gunpowder/8 flask units
Flintlock blunderbuss = 4 gunpowder/16 flask units
Carbine = 4 gunpowder/16 flask units
Musket = 8 gunpowder/32 flask units

A flask is able to hold 2 stacks of gunpowder, or 512 units, so a full flask has enough for:
128 wheelock pistol shots
64 bossi carbine and flintlock pistol shots
42 blunder and arquebus shots with 8 units left for any other gun
32 flintlock blunder, and carbine shots
16 musket shots

Alright someone pin this please.

[covert aspen]

There's a difference between wheellock and flintlock pistols? Do they differ in damage as well?

[restive ermine]

Flintlock reloads slightly faster and I think it has a higher damage tier, not sure if that changes any of the breakpoints against animals though

[covert aspen]

Rip, the flintlock pistol left me down.

[restive ermine]

pistol is really just an anti-wolf weapon

if you want to hunt try the revolver arquebus

[smoky pike]

Their difference is that flintlock pistols have a higher damage tear, and they don't require a level crank, with the downside that flintlocks use 8 flask units in comparison of the 4 that the wheelock uses.

[covert aspen]

I can't think of many situations where the damage tier difference is very important though, the damage is low enough that where ever it makes a difference you're probably shooting a lot anyways

[tight valve]

Damage tier difference is half the damage is too low

[devout star]

Damage tier is also useful if your using CO as mobs do have armor.

[covert aspen]

I don't mean in literal terms, more the high armoured enemies would take many pistol shots anyways

[smoky pike]

You are right, but it will take way less shots than with the wheelock.

[covert aspen]

But at that point it's generally not worth using a pistol at all

[smoky pike]

Are you sure?

It is a backup that keeps its damage consistent, it doesn't rely on needing a crank, and you can reload it while moving around.

[smoky pike]

Hm I got a question.

How wide is the blunderbuss spread?

Or it is tight enough to land all the pellets at a safe distance?

[tight valve]

120 MOA

or 2 deg

[smoky pike]

Ooh

Hm

I apologize for my ignorance, but is 2 degrees a wide or narrow spread?

[tight valve]

Roughly the same as real world shotguns, you can calculate it, for such small angle it is just angle in radians multiplied by distance, so ~3.5 blocks on 100 blocks distance

[smoky pike]

Oh I see.