NASIN TENPO KAMALU ★ a numberless toki pona calendar [DISCUSSION]

[errant comet]

kasi namako poka

[wicked seal]

okiii

Þat isn't þis poka right

[errant comet]

nope

[wicked seal]

pog

[errant comet]

this year isn't a leap year in the calendar, last year was but that didn't get the specific moli skips so there wasn't a namako (named) day

i'm pretty sure it'll only happen like 2-3 times in this generation (2001-2030)

[wicked seal]

okii

[chrome mortar]

the nimi sin in the title has been defeated 😔

[heady needle]

what even is kamalu

aaaaaaaaaa

[errant comet]

jan Tepo li ni 😔

[chrome mortar]

also if you want to talk about it not using nimisin it's "nasin tenpo Kamalu"

which is why the nimisin opposed jan Tepo is fine with the title right now

[errant comet]

yea

[wicked seal]

You can't be nimisin free from nasin tenpo penpo, kipisi is right þere in it

I didn't write one last night I was so fucking sick or some shit

[chrome mortar]

jan Tepo uses kipisi

2009 is not very "sin" it's more majuna

calling majuna a nimi sin

and kipisi a nimi sin

doesn't make sense to me

[crude stump]

nimi sin li ike tawa mi. nimi kipisi li sin ala.

[chrome mortar]

it's lexicalisation

[crude stump]

o toki ala e "nimisin" nimi ni li kon ala

[wicked seal]

I said nimisin

[chrome mortar]

but what does that mean

[wicked seal]

a non pu word lmão

[ripe crag]

nimisin

usage

uncommon (no book)

definition

any non-pu word; any new word; any joke word

see also

nimi, sin

⚠️ This word is uncommon. Many speakers don't use this word.

[crude stump]

jan ante la ante

o moli e nimi o toki e ijo

jan li toki pona la "the nimi sin opposed jan Tepo" "you can't be nimi pi pu ala free" lon la sina tu li toki e ijo ante! 💥

[wicked seal]

mi toki ala e ni

[crude stump]

mi sona pona ala e toki ni^ anu seme

[wicked seal]

sona pona ala

[crude stump]

o toki sona

[wicked seal]

nimi pi pu ala li lon nasin tenpo penpo

seme la ni li toki e “nimi sin li ike tawa jan Tepo” e “sina ken ala weka tan lon pi nimi sin”

[wicked seal]

What’s þis for

[errant comet]

no clue

[chrome mortar]

the defense posits that it was my belief that these messages were related

[errant comet]

january 9th

[chrome mortar]

mi lon the future

[errant comet]

sina lon the future a

[wicked seal]

Briliant idea: I rɛd Mayamail and instead of making a real diary, I should make a fake one! Ofc it’d need to be Dutch because like þat’s half þe point of having a real diary, but I could also make a tp version along side it! And ofc þe dates will always be in ntp because þat’s like þe oþer half of þe point

[wicked seal]

So þe monþ is namako?

[errant comet]

no it's sin this converter is just kinda broken :P

[wicked seal]

rip

[errant comet]

nasin sin luka

today (jan 12th)

[wicked seal]

Tbh I haven't made a diary entry in like 5 days I forgor what day it is

[errant comet]

tomorrow li mun sin luka
overmorrow li kasi kama luka

[wicked seal]

mnmmmmm

Þe tool I need is like þe reverse of þis

Like what is mama kama poka in Gregorian and it'd give a list of þe days which were MKP for a cycle

[errant comet]

that'd be pretty cool

unfortunately i do not know how to code la mi ken ala 😔

[wicked seal]

Sammmmeeee

I have so much free time and no skill

[errant comet]

real

[wicked seal]

I would probs only have it set for þis cycle or era or whatever þe 30 year þingy is called

It expires in like 6 years

i'm sure I could make anoþer one by þen if I knew how to

OOOOOooooohhhhhhh

It uses DD/MM/YYYY

Wait no it doesn't

Why doesn't it þough

[somber lodge]

that's probably your web browser?

[pale river]

use the free time and learn, the skill might be useful in other areas too :3

[wicked seal]

penpo is on penpo!

[wicked seal]

So þe new fictional Diary is going well, and because þis doesn’t talk place in real time, I have to actually þink a lot about how þe days are ordered and stuff, þe writing is kinda hard because like I don’t really have a talent for writting fiction and also I’m starting in þe middle of þe year of þe story I’m telling 💀

[wicked seal]

Last post I'll make about it,
damn girl be yapping

[errant comet]

wowzers

[wicked seal]

It is like so much longer þan every oþer entry

A normal one would be like, þe top ︂3 lines only

like "paragraphs"

Good writting practice þough

[wicked seal]

one of þose calandar card þingies

[errant comet]

the nasin tenpo Kamalu thingamabob

[wicked seal]

Yeah

þe penpo-o-meter

Behold, þe Kamaluinator!!

[errant comet]

moli today :3

[wicked seal]

ik ga dood

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New year is in august right?

sptp

[errant comet]

ya

[wicked seal]

sona

Every year right?

It's not going to jump scare me

[errant comet]

yea august 8th every year is new kamalu year

[wicked seal]

poggies

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I know I said I'd stop posting about it but I like it when þe entries are a week apart :)

[errant comet]

i am now in college which means it's kamalu time

[wicked seal]

Poggies

[pale river]

ntp la suno seme li lon

(it’s jan 29th for me)

i think it’s kasi kama luka but i’m not sure

[errant comet]

kasi awen luka

[wicked seal]

Tomorrow is

pan awen luka

[errant comet]

this is true

[pale river]

pakala

i think i fucked smth up then

[wicked seal]

https://sona.pona.la/wiki/nasin_tenpo_pona

NTP and NTP share þe same new year

[errant comet]

yea that makes sense

it is suno pi toki pona

it's a relevant date

[pale river]

this lead me down a slight rabbit hole of learning what an epoch is and i found it quite interesting, thank you

[wicked seal]

Also I read about þe oþer nasin tenpo pi toki pona and I can definitively say NTK is þe best

[errant comet]

woohoo 🔥

[wicked seal]

Wait do þe weeks repeat per monþ

Shouldn't it be kule sin luka?

I þink þis is a mistake

Jan1 is nimi sin luka

[pale river]

can i get some dates clarified cuz i think i messed up my dates somewhere:

• kule sin luka
• mama sin luka
• lete sin luka
• kasi kama luka

what are those four in the gregorian calendar

and also what day is today (today being february 5th for me)

[errant comet]

• jan 2nd
• jan 11th
• jan 4th
• jan 14th
  today is nimi awen luka and tomorrow will be seli awen luka :3

[pale river]

a sona

ok i think i see my mistake

because those dates were supposedly in chronological order

whoops

[somber lodge]

how does ntk handle leap years again?

[errant comet]

one extra day on poka

2024 leap day was in poka pi waso tawa for example

[somber lodge]

a

[pale river]

am i right in saying suno moli sin was the 18th of january?

[errant comet]

suno moli kama was the 18th yes, there wasn't a suno moli sin tho since that week is a moli skipper

[pale river]

yeah so is the next moli not then called sin? since it’s the first in the month?

[errant comet]

it's in the kama row

[pale river]

oh

wait so are all days named based on the row they’re in? or just moli

[errant comet]

yeah it's all of them

this is how the SKATW system works :3
if it was the nanpa system then jan 18th would be suno moli nanpa wan

[pale river]

FUCK

i’ve been doing it wrong this whole time

i thought it was based off of the first time the day appears in a month

which i thought didn’t really make sense but i just went along with it

😭😭

[somber lodge]

dammit was my birthday a moli day

[errant comet]

happy valentines nasin tenpo kamaluers be sure to move some pan in the direction of your signifact other as a sign of your olin. preferably with your hands (today is pan tawa luka

i forgot to post this earlier because i ws in class

soo erm

[wicked seal]

pan! tawa! luka!!!!!!!

[pale river]

woahhh that’s cool

[pale river]

suno seme li lon

as of feb 21

[keen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/what-year-is-it-jumanji-forgotten-gif-15305928

[pale river]

and also is musi awen luka the 9th of february?

[pale river]

a a a

[somber lodge]

seli tawa luka

(pi kijetesantakalu tawa)

and now today is moku tawa luka pi kijetesantakalu tawa

[errant comet]

true!

[errant comet]

also yes

[somber lodge]

tomorrow is what? I forgot

or, well, today

what comes after moku I forgor 💀

[errant comet]

kulupu

[pale river]

wawa

mi pakala ala a a

mama awen luka - february 10th
lete tawa luka - february 18th
walo tawa luka - february 19th
moku tawa luka - february 24th (today)

ni li lon ala lon

i really need a better method for verifying my dates

maybe i should start taking notes of anchor dates or smth

[errant comet]

today is musi tawa luka

[pale river]

ok pona

i think

[errant comet]

yeah the other 3 dates are correct

[wicked seal]

Is þis number usage depreicated?

Nowerdays wouldn't it be 󱤦󱥝󱤤󱥍󱦀󱥩

(lete sin lawa pi kije tawa)

[errant comet]

not deprecated but the other method makes more sense and no more nanpa (one of the original goals)

[pale river]

i usually forget to catch up on my journaling for a few days, so i always lose track of the date. my current method is to either ask here, or count back the days until i figure out what day today is.
this is kinda inaccurate and seems like a waste of time, is there a better way to do this? what way do y’all keep track of the date?

[errant comet]

not very good alternatives rn i'd say but i mark which day the gregorian months start and then i just count from there since it's a little easier
but yeah given that idk how accurate the jan jami converter is we still gotta count 😔

[pale river]

aaa sona a

thank you

i had the idea of making a sort of “tradition” or habit for each day, so that you end up just naturally remembering what day is what, similar to how you might do certain things on a certain weekday in the greogrian calendar

specifically i thought of doing stuff related to the name of each day

but i’m not sure what that would entail

[worthy tree]

omg that's like the whole basis of my calendar

I got a finish that up and post it

[pale river]

a seme?

[sonic lily]

isn't the second one pi day

[sonic lily]

have we found inaccuracies? i think it breaks with distant dates but that's about it

AFAIK it's accurate for anything beyond like 100 AD

[sonic lily]

sorry, sijelo luka ends on pi day

ill make a calendar generator sometime

[wicked seal]

sona pona

[errant comet]

tbh i forgot lol

[sonic lily]

i think i fixed them

[heady needle]

pi day seme

[full fog]

the day of, obviously

[errant comet]

poka month tomorrow

[pale river]

wawa a

good time to restart my journal then

[errant comet]

poka month...today !!!!!!!!!!!! pan sin poka a

[wicked seal]

Poggies!

[pale river]

the last day of luka month was kasi sin luka right?

[errant comet]

yea

[pale river]

pona

[errant comet]

i wonder what year april fool's falls on musi (if any)

actually can it even do that

[wicked seal]

New nimi rule

Oh and also NTK is going to be used in uh sitelen Onkesele pi toki pona

So uh stay tuned for whenever I get þat done

It’s been like 4 monþs of translating Ongezellig shit and I’m still not done damn

[wicked seal]

10 seconds of fame, and 5 more later when þe clock is zoomed in on in deel 4

[errant comet]

wawa a....

[wicked seal]

INVEST IN NTK NOW

oh it holds here for like 6 more seconds as þe minute changes

[little phoenix]

Only 1 ntK month left for Toki Pona New Year

[errant comet]

true... (roughly) (tbh i haven't been keeping track i need to update the calendar on my wall)

[little phoenix]

no worries

There's a website

[errant comet]

wait since today is kasi sin noka it's already noka month

okay you're right then

[little phoenix]

Lemme give you the link

[errant comet]

1 month until new year !!!

[little phoenix]

https://codepen.io/thurm64/full/LYKBoOr

There

[errant comet]

NASIN TENPO KAMALU ★ a numberless toki pona calendar [DISCUSSION]

[errant comet]

new year sheets yayaya

[wispy wraith]

I've been trying a while ago to make a function that maps unix to kamalu, and its been annoying, but what i did find is that if one calculates the fully qualified number of the year like this:

Era = amount of 30 year cycles (i.e. kala sin -> the next kala sin) since the kala sin of 2001
sin to weka get number 0 through 4 and the animals get 0 through 5
full_year_number = <animal> + <sin to weka> * 6 + <era> * 30
kala sin 2001's full_year_number = 0 (by above definition)
so, full_year_number = 29 corresponds to kijetesantakalu weka in 2031

(full_year_number + 2) fed into the algorithm for determining a greg leap year gives a kamalu leap year.

^ the above was found out because i thought it was dumb for a tp calendar to be tied to greg conceptually.

oh and even tho a kamalu year spans 2 greg years (as in, KT is in 2024/25), i base my stuff of off the year it starts in, so, 2024 is kijetensantakalu tawa and kala weka is 2025

sadly i've found no easy way to predict namako days yet, which is annoying. and in general my approach to finding this unix -> kamalu conversion was just fucking around.
my current approach was just to find a greg date that i knew a kamalu date for and count forwards to calc further dates, which sadly gives little flexibility as an actual date system because one has to set an arbitrary starting point which they know for sure the kamalu date of.
also, due to moli skipping it makes my numbering system i use in my bit of python code annoying to deal with since i made it so that each day word has a number from 0 to 14, maybe i should just switch the base in a moli skip week.

anyways. anyone, got any idea of how to approach date conversion from unix to kamalu, or even from greg to kamalu?

[wicked seal]

Uh is this how you'd specify years?

or could þe sike la vanish

@errant comet

[errant comet]

yea that works

[wicked seal]

wawa

without the la, it'd need to be sike pi soweli kama, right? Not just sike soweli kama

ig if it was like officially adopted it might work like numbers and the pi could be left out

[errant comet]

hmm... ntKamalu word that works like nanpa but for dates and years... 😈

(anyways yeah)

[wicked seal]

sike pi soweli kama

yippe

[wicked seal]

probs going to just use þe arabic numerals

þe kamalu looks good but like 5 people know it

but þe non kamalu is really hard to do in such a compact area

[pale river]

suno seme li lon a...

[errant comet]

lete kama noka

[wicked seal]

þere should be a site which says þe current day always

[pale river]

i thought that was broken though?

[wicked seal]

ala mi toki e ni ni o lon

[chrome mortar]

what is this no punctuation approach

[pale river]

oh my god i only understood that sentence now that you said that 😭

[native stratus]

@errant comet will you make a new calendar for kala weka

nevermind i just scrolled up

ignore

[errant comet]

yes and actually that reminds me i was going to post about them in #pana at least today but i forgot

[errant comet]

ok i did it

[wicked seal]

Can we get one of þose picture calandars but it's Kekan San's model in sexy poses we can print out?

[clever pilot]

how do you make a sexy pose with only your hands and head visible

[wicked seal]

oijrfkjrjkrkjwefa

[heady needle]

idk maybe he could grab his pointy bits

[little phoenix]

toki a

nasin tenpo sin li lon ala lon?

[errant comet]

lon a!

suno nanpa tu pi kala weka li lon a

[oblique garden]

Mi open e lipu ni

[errant comet]

wawa !

[heady needle]

what pride flag is that

[clever pilot]

no way the calendar has i in it

[ripe crag]

i

usage

sandbox (no book)

definition

he, she, it, they [polled as a replacement third-person pronoun in 2002]

see also

ona

⚠️ This proposed word is in the sandbox. It is not in use by the community.

[heady needle]

oh are you talking about the dash in the title

it's probably supposed to be like an actual dash. -kala weka = tan kala weka

unless kala weka is the year and i'm stupid

[errant comet]

yeah it's a dash

kala weka is in fact the year

it's nasin tenpo Kamalu - kala weka

[heady needle]

oh so it's replacing lon rather than tan

-, the omnipreposition

[wicked seal]

I wish I could mod my pc to have þe ntk date alongside þe greg one

ntk needs more recognition

[full fog]

have you heard of linux /hj

[wicked seal]

I have

[full fog]

I don't think it would be too hard to force Linux to use ntk honestly

[wicked seal]

Ngl I don’t know n anyþing about computers (poor Asi, Kekan San, and Ke Tami painfully guiding me as a blind idiot þrough þe most basic tech stuff like I’m 2)

If I did I would so sruff like þat

[full fog]

REAL THO

also this implies their headnouns are all "poor"

[wicked seal]

😭😭

Here it is

[chrome mortar]

poor Asi Kekan San, and Ke Tami

poor headnoun and and headnoun

[clever pilot]

toki! mi and Kanoli

[pale river]

every time i try to figure out what day it is my brain explodes

is the date based on a certain time zone? when does it switch over to the next day?

and what day is it today lol?

[errant comet]

pan tawa lawa

[pale river]

suno la linja luka wan li lon

taso nimi luka taso li lon

“sin, kama, awen, tawa, weka”

linja nanpa luka wan li kepeken nanpa seme

[wicked seal]

https://yan-mayeka.github.io/lipu/Latin/nasin-tenpo-TP NTK on my tenpo pana calandar

wiþ þe normal greg one

[full fog]

misread greg as mun Kekan San lmao

[wicked seal]

it was intentional

[wispy wraith]

does anyone here know their way around date conversion? I've been pretty stuck on trying to get a thing that maps UNIX time to nasin tenpo kamalu, and have honestly not worked on it in like, at least half a year. pretty much all of my work so far has been to generate days by naive counting and to try to find patterns.
the only thing I've found so far is that if one calculates the "full year number" by adding the number of the year in the current full cycle (i.e. the time from start of a kala sin to the start of the next kala sin) (i think this should be 0-30) and the number of full cycles * years_per_cycle since some starting point, you can say that a leap year occurs when full_year_number+2 is fed into the thing that determines gregorian leap years

[ashen moat]

drafting my new calendar for this year and next year :>

[bold schooner]

* ooh che figata

[bold schooner]

* pona mute

[somber lodge]

i think it's based on your timezone

and like. the actual day

[errant comet]

yeah

[ashen moat]

toki, just a slight question, is the start of the week is on kasi or on mun? I checked the converter and it have mun as the start of the week.

[errant comet]

it's kasi

[ashen moat]

pona a

[ashen moat]

wait

all this time I counted the week starting from the first day of the month

aaaaaaa

[somber lodge]

i would have learned the system if there was a mnemonic for the week but it's a bit hard to remember

[ashen moat]

btw, continuing the example, how do we say the first mama, nasin, mun? is it mama sin? And then kasi sin?

(for me I just use nanpas unfortunately, easier for me, mama wan, kasi wan)

And the last days of the week

[ashen moat]

i see

[ashen moat]

just checking, today (well, GMT +8 for me), suno ni li suno nimi tawa, kipisi sijelo, kala weka anu seme?

I think I want to use the 5 degree of progress cycle for the weeks instead of nanpas

ngl it looked much more organized in my almanac

[pale river]

good to now i’m finally accurate in my timekeeping and my calendar hasn’t drifted off yet

[rose salmon]

What year are we in?

[ashen moat]

kala weka

[oblique garden]

Hey all, I made a post about toki pona holidays inspired by nasin Kalamu. If you have any ideas, post them here!

https://discord.com/channels/301377942062366741/1448518991134851256

[errant comet]

christmas... will fall on lete...

[chrome mortar]

smh oseja erasure