Kc Feedback Forum

[abstract mason]

Idea

Limit the amount of CAS/IDF to the number of 1-8s slotted.

For everyone 1-8, there can be one CAS airframe, and one IDF piece

[bold harness]

real question why phantom tho ?

[visual trail]

what clown cars?

[hazy delta]

fantum is useless in modern

thats why

[sinful sable]

that's slang for wheeled combat vehicles

[visual trail]

dont say the lav

i love the lav

[sinful sable]

think AMX-10RC, MGS, all that shit

[zinc aurora]

honestly useless in modern

[visual trail]

well

no i dont love the lav, but its alr

[bold harness]

fair

[zinc aurora]

shadow just does phantom's job better

[hazy delta]

lav is fun

[zinc aurora]

both in terms of recon and FOing

[abstract mason]

Each CAS/artillery asset is tied to a specific 1/8, encouraged them to employ their assets, no overwhelming of 1/8 by having 6 assets

[sinful sable]

real homies remember the Rooikat 120 as the peak of clown car

[zinc aurora]

which is like phantom's whole thing

[sinful sable]

that's....actually fine

[hazy delta]

doesnt fix the core issue

of

inf being shit

💀

restricting is never gonna work

[sinful sable]

again, I still want to restrict reaper's sensor capabilities so the average time between strikes will be longer too

[visual trail]

vietnam phantom was the best it ever was since they could do a lot more than just recon

[sinful sable]

and we fix the infantry :3

[visual trail]

screening for the platoon was an amazing role it could do effectively

[hazy delta]

by removing reaper :3

[sinful sable]

we don't need to do that mate

[zinc aurora]

yeah that's why I'm saying specifically for modern

[bold harness]

real remove reaper

[abstract mason]

Sure, but it would help mediate one of the issues

[visual trail]

yh, hard agree

[hazy delta]

doesnt fix the core issue

thats what i care ab

Its funny its been proven that im right because of fallujah

[sinful sable]

I mean

I don't disagree with fallujah being one of the best campaigns

[abstract mason]

How fix infantry not being good? There’s alot of typing I missed in this chain so I’m not caught up

[sinful sable]

...I disagree with it being the best one.

[hazy delta]

stby

[visual trail]

just remove reaper, restrict the amount of demon slots, remove 2 1-8 slots

[hazy delta]

this pretty much sums it up
therefore fix, remove reaper, remove the added stuff to counter reaper

[visual trail]

also shade is the goat

[sinful sable]

anyway we're gonna be back to square one each time

jet don't have to kill everything if you make conditions where jet can't kill everything

[zinc aurora]

also it gives harpy a real job if reaper is gone

[sinful sable]

at least we agree on the infantry being shit part

[hazy delta]

Speaking of harpy

i'd remove all harpy vics

[regal onyx]

ew harpy

[hazy delta]

lowkey

if no FW red air

and only have em with stingers

[visual trail]

purge harpy

fuck em

[hazy delta]

as a line squad

[sinful sable]

like, for what it's worth

[bold harness]

honestly demon can kill fixed wing

[raven sable]

You can do that in modern just use the sniper rifles instead of larping as SF

[hazy delta]

zubau

[sinful sable]

can we agree that infantry has problems and we shouldn't be at each other's throats due to wanting the same problem solved in different ways?

[zinc aurora]

20% of harpy is your stinger missing, 40% waiting, 30% the red air getting killed by FW, and 10% actually hitting

[visual trail]

you can do it much more effectively with vietnam phantom, and recon is not SF

[hazy delta]

Honestly

in hindsight

I think we can all agree we need some changes made to modern

about infantry

[sinful sable]

yes

🤝

[zinc aurora]

I mean kill off reaper, reduce red air, then you can remove harpy and throw the AA into command create

[hazy delta]

I still think knockout is wrong but ey

[zinc aurora]

that would work imo

[abstract mason]

Here’s the real thing…

Are admins paying attention to this st all? We can bicker & proselytize our various sides and propose cuts & reorgs all we want. But are admins paying attention?

1. Will the admin base support a communally agreed upon change, such as (hypothetically) cutting reaper)

2. Could they help facilitate a poll/more formalized forum to figure out what the general public wants

[hazy delta]

Someone with balls go ping beans

[regal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208947633536634941/1457118318631587921/togif.gif

[abstract mason]

@proud axle

[sinful sable]

I mean, I think it is unnnecessary to be that drastic in trying to cut roles

but ey

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[regal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833923342369161217/1274942405078028288/90pgwt.gif

[abstract mason]

I’m all for people expressing their thoughts, just want to make sure it isn’t falling on deaf ears, otherwise this is an exercise in futility & we all get mad at each other

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[hazy delta]

Nah thats valid

@brisk gull remove reaper pls

[sinful sable]

rework* :D

but yeah, let's end it at here for now

[bold harness]

remove* u mean ?

[abstract mason]

I just want to have fun in silly game with yall, and I think there is enough being voiced here by enough people to warrant a forum or poll by the staffmin

[sinful sable]

I wanna try and fix it cmon

[hazy delta]

Tbf we all know kc is not a democracy

[bold harness]

i just want u to 1-8 for me

[sinful sable]

I refuse to give up on what I love just like that, I want to try and make everyone happy

[abstract mason]

I’ll handle airframe for you sometime sure thing

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-tie-him-up-ltg-low-tier-god-kill-yourself-now-kys-gif-97316207949095273

[abstract mason]

Only if I can FAC A from the Apache wing again tho lol

[bold harness]

real

[bold harness]

u might get some burns from the hellfires tho

[abstract mason]

I will wear my poncho I’ll be ok

[hazy delta]

oh god big tone is here

[tacit pasture]

I agree on the basis we reintroduce butcher dismounts back AND butcher can’t sit on a hill 5 light years away

[sinful sable]

can we also agree that butcher needs more clown cars

[hazy delta]

W take

[sinful sable]

and CQB action?

[visual trail]

you want to do cqc with butcher?

[sharp charm]

It never falls on deaf ears

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033802565223190578/1353102669325275268/ArmA_3_2025.03.22_-_22.25.36.03.DVR.mp4?ex=69aa8fcf&is=69a93e4f&hm=2b8adf3d9527c7a50d77962e2ac0a38671bd6946f10b7e3d3cbc16cf795f73ef&

[royal elbow]

how many maps did butcher dismounts last for

[sinful sable]

gotta be with the infantry man, even in the cities

[royal elbow]

i remeber germany

[visual trail]

nah i was getting images of trying to breach a house with a bradley

[tacit pasture]

Got cut after Australia or Xcam Tanaus I think because Karma wanted to try something new

[regal onyx]

in other words

[tacit pasture]

Then when butcher was reverted it never came back

[sinful sable]

if you can't tell, I like everything that revolves about understanding the enemy

[royal elbow]

the shit you guys did with butcher in saigon is how it should be

[hazy delta]

hot

[sinful sable]

and like weapons that reinforce that

[tacit pasture]

That’s how I always play because it’s so boooorrrring otherwise. We rolled in prepared to die 5 mins and be okay with it

[hazy delta]

Real

[royal elbow]

there was literally nothing we could do

[regal onyx]

mfw when the rpg missed 💀

[royal elbow]

we tried flanking >butcher on every street

[sinful sable]

oh btw, since I missed this

when I call door kickers, I moreso referred to units like the Marine raiders

[visual trail]

the thrill of being able to actually die is amazing

[regal onyx]

we did a refuel in combat, you guys could have got us there lol

[hazy delta]

honestly, butcher is really only playable on city areas during nam

[visual trail]

we dont need to add specific SOF units, especially since they can do everything a normal line squad can do, unless you meant we play as them rather than specific squads being them

[tacit pasture]

I don’t mind the zippo it’s just a pain to use

Because the flamethrower is awful to aim

[sinful sable]

perhaps we can play as them, perhaps we can have a role that functions like them whenever we play a US faction with such units

[visual trail]

thats not really going to be door kicker units tho, thats just going to be the exact same as having say bulldog

[sinful sable]

it's more so about the idea

allowing for some amount of direct action instead of just...sitting on a hill firing at stuff 700m away again

[visual trail]

yh you can do that as a rifle squad

[sinful sable]

and yet 90% of the time it never happens

[visual trail]

standard 1-1, 1-2, etc

adding new slots wont change that

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1399001189344870644/caption.gif

[visual trail]

like i agree that it doesnt happen but if you want it to start happening you need to teach people to do it

[sinful sable]

adding slots whose job it is to be up and at em helps that because line squads just really sit far away for a while, then push into a point when they've shot up everything in sight

and it's not as much an SL issue

as it is a PL issue

[raven sable]

#📷kc_content message

[visual trail]

its entirely both

but if an SL knows they need to, and how to actually close in with and destroy the enemy, they will

[hazy delta]

Stryker mk19 crows as butch CQC:

• Go in town
• cant kill an EI cuz no HE allowed
• get out of stryker
• clear building
• go back in stryker
  @regal onyx knows what im talking about

[abstract mason]

Yall wanna see what I’m working on. Right now?

[regal onyx]

no

[visual trail]

yk what sure

[sinful sable]

at least I am personally glad that we agree that infantry is in a pretty meh shape right now

[regal onyx]

this was so funny

[visual trail]

i dont think theres much disputing that lmao

its been this way for ages

[sinful sable]

I mean, we all have our own solution

I remember back in the day

before even fallujah

[visual trail]

its just consistent low pop makes the issues more apparent

[sinful sable]

man the infantry was way better and it felt like that

[abstract mason]

Me fix gun

[visual trail]

yh, still had issues tho

i remember people complaining about idf

but then would sit in 1 position firing for 10 minutes lol

[hazy delta]

idf back in the day was crazy

can confirm

[sinful sable]

nowadays people be hailing fallujah, and I can agree it is the 2nd best campaign/mini-campaign

we have forgotten the mini campaign where we had no ROE for savage and stuff, infantry had cool ass weapons and we had basically no air stuff, just ground

[visual trail]

so the best lib has been was when there was no air assets

lmao

[sinful sable]

not just that

it was one of the things but there were also other things that made it what it was

[visual trail]

swear fallujah had very limited air as well

[regal onyx]

it had no fw

[hazy delta]

it did

no FW

we had a zulu iirc

or apache

[sinful sable]

sure, it did

it still also had vastly different circumstances to any normal campaign

[visual trail]

altho that was also nice because you didnt have people tearing each other apart just because they lost 1 asset

[regal onyx]

or los lb

[hazy delta]

yep

[sinful sable]

pretty much the same for that campaign of mine I love so much

[hazy delta]

it was fun

[regal onyx]

yes because there was no buying stuff

we just had it

[sinful sable]

you didn't buy stuff, you had it granted too

[visual trail]

genuinely why i stopped looking at kc command for a while, it often was just people getting slandered for losing something

[hazy delta]

well yeah people had balls to go in close with vics and actually use them

[sinful sable]

it got so much worse after the logi changes at one point

[hazy delta]

cuz no one would care

and argue in command

about losing an asset

[sinful sable]

that too

[visual trail]

well some people were really stupid with assets

but thats a different story

tbf if i could i would have used stalker as cas many times

[sinful sable]

but yeah, we peaked on that one map

infantry and assets had balls to go in, basically no air, we had AK-74s and G36s, life was good man

[visual trail]

minigun go brrrt

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423714906452000828/1478522698110861443/caption.gif

[sinful sable]

can we go back to those times

[visual trail]

no

unfortunately

[sinful sable]

man life is hell

[visual trail]

i would love to go back to the days where i hopped on and was wondering if i'd even get a slot lol

and that would be like 4pm gmt

not even peak time

[sinful sable]

insert I am depressed meme here

[royal elbow]

it could get like this with a youtube video and some positive changes

[visual trail]

yh but you also just end up getting a bunch of people just hoping to get into a karmakut video lol

but it would probably boost pop

karmakut just logs on and runs as 1-6

like the good old days

those are some old fucking days tho lol

[sinful sable]

yep

sadly they only exist in memory

[rocky glen]

Wow ignore me I see how it is

Smh my head

[regal onyx]

i mean look at you

not cag

[hazy delta]

That's true, I'm with Cosmic on this one.

[glass owl]

add to that the PDW thats being used, ew

[regal onyx]

we had to steal, thats all he could find lol

[rocky glen]

Fair enough

I've looked better don't worry

[crimson wasp]

they could put the 252 back under savage

[visual trail]

what would be the purpose of shade?

or is that just removing shade

[raven sable]

Might be beating a dead horse here but one of the main reasons people enjoy nam is probably due to enemies dying in a single shot

[royal elbow]

it is

[raven sable]

Probably also why modern inf is so unfun, no one wants to shoot someone multiple times in the chest only to get domed

[royal elbow]

everyone hates russians admins literally dont care at all

people have made tons of posts

over the past feew years

[raven sable]

#1124647926199758899 message oh I know haha

I wouldn't even mind just swapping the emr russians for the flora ones with less armour

[royal elbow]

that would require some work tho

idk how far cooked their config is compared ot kp libs original but changing the enemy side is as simple as changing a value and then adjusting what spawns in their BGs

chaning what armor they wear would be more complicated

[raven sable]

I know I've done a fair few normal lib campaigns but I don't know how they do it

[raven sable]

Not inherently just swap classnames for inf units and squads, at least in regular lib

But I do agree new factions would be the better option

[royal elbow]

compared to changing a number and deleting some lines its comparitevely a lil more work

[raven sable]

Could even reuse the Chinese but just do it without their armour (small island hopping map)

[raven sable]

I know I'm just putting it out incase some admins are dead set on the russians for whatever reason

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

Wasn't this talked about already?

If not I would be interested in pitching an idea to the Council of Odins.

[plucky forge]

Big thing I've been hoping for is an actual announcement of changes being made. I keep hearing from different admins what that things are being worked on and considered (especially regarding the issues with CAS), but I've been taking it with a grain of salt until I see something official.

[visual trail]

Swear there's a mod that nerfs the rhs armour, so all you would need to do is add that

[visual trail]

It's also nice to just switch up the scenery a bit, constantly playing modern gets very repetitive, especially when it was the exact same whether we played as army, marines or even went for specific army units, it was still mostly the same

Nam offered a nice change of pace

Unfortunately we can't do anything other than US, so we couldn't switch it up to do like soviet afghan war or any sort of sci fi

[cloud slate]

I have heard from multiple admins that CS look at suggestions daily.

But we also talk a lot of shit in feedback.

[royal elbow]

we've also proposed this idea, pretty sure cosmic also made a fix for it

if they wanted to, they would

[regal onyx]

no i sure didn't, that i know of lol

[royal elbow]

what vests did you make an edit for

[zinc aurora]

prob confusing it with the AVS thing

[royal elbow]

oh yeah that

[regal onyx]

oh yeah the avs yeah i did that

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3447446139

[honest oyster]

Thoughts from the new guy with two good years of milsim groups behind me and finally getting on KC lib for my first 10 hours:

I feel like many squad leaders lack the imagination, creativity, and appreciation for immersion that the server so desperately needs. I have encountered a few squad leaders now that don’t provide clear direction, and are always in a hurry to charge into the next fight with no attempt at mitigating risk. People sling their weapons and sprint in a conga-line of impatience and carelessness through the jungle and its not fun.

Low population nights are just as important as the big sessions. Most times its low population and often people fool around, treat it like anything goes, and don’t focus on being successful.

My only suggestion is to place more emphasis on leadership not only knowing the SOP’s, but also being good stewards of the gameplay culture that the community wants most. Slow down, enjoy the environment, coach people on the basics, and focus on making the experience feel authentic.

I look forward for that 50 hour mark.

[plucky forge]

Think that's just the nature of it being a public server with no actual training

[magic salmon]

I think you also have to remember it’s a game. People want to enjoy it too. I get the full Milsim experience, I’d love it, but some of the less serious moments on the server tend to be the best.

I’ve noticed a significant number of squads switch from casual tomfoolery and banta to serious RP. And that’s just how these kinda games go

As naily said to me the other day experience is the best teacher meaning some people are fairly new the either Milsim in general or SL specifically.

[visual trail]

I can guarantee you, knowing the SOPs will not help leadership at all, it's more of a code of conduct or rule book than actual SOPs

[visual trail]

Experience is only useful if you're willing to learn from it, considering most SLs will just charge at points "in a line of impatience" and have been for years, shows people will not learn

"Mascas" is probably the most frequent word I've heard people use in the server lol

[honest oyster]

This

[glad field]

Mascas and the phrase "time now"

[visual trail]

Idk anytime I've seen people time out is rarely something people want, 5 seconds after mascas it's just a brainless charge at the enemy

It's quite funny because it's either sitting in 1 place for 30 minutes shooting, or mindlessly running at the point

[glad field]

KC lib in a nutshell, never change 😂

[honest oyster]

It’s the squad leaders not being hands-on enough, and not providing guidance before or during engagements. With that said, if people are having fun- thats all that matters.

Im just a snob, i dont get to play often, and when I finally get on and people are getting themselves killed or not communicating i get disappointed.

[visual trail]

Yh idk, personally I just get no fun in sitting in one place doing fuck all and would rather assault a position, but thats just me

Tbh I think it's partially because there's not much stopping you from just sitting there, and when there was people complained

Honestly HE mortars should come back, the WP is more likely to kill my computer than me tbh

[honest oyster]

Well yeah, taking points is the goal.

[plucky forge]

ending every radio message with "how copy all"

[ebon badge]

Remember public server. Not everyone who slots know military doctrine. An sl is only as good as their ftls. Ftls are way more crucial on keeping accountability and helping dictate the next movement.
Before we chunk blame on the sl look at the squad and figure out if they are hearding cats or have a cohesive unit.
Can't fire and maneuver if you don't have a competent second to help orchestrate the movement.

Defensive tactics are easier for greener troops and also if there is no real cohesion with the platoon. I can tell a new guy hold here and cover this cardinal far easier, than trying to have them push a flank.

Also most actual engagements wouldn't be us doing movements on a fire team level, but on a squad level in which case, hopefully there is another sl and ftl in that squad that's holding that one together or good luck getting enough fire down for suppression.

[gray python]

Also in nam where you can’t see shit, defensive play is far more effective lest you get aimbotted by John Vietnam while trying to charge stuff you can’t see

[hazy delta]

John Vietnam 💀

[cloud slate]

Kog?

[visual trail]

Nah, don't hear that, just see 50 different kog markers on the map

[gray python]

sometimes as phantom i'll place a couple kog marker near the platoon just to keep them on their toes (this is a joke)

[visual trail]

You can very much do squad tactics without FTLs knowing exactly how to do them, so long as they are willing to listen and take charge, you can get good things happening

[gray python]

nam squad tactics require a lot more preplanning for situations than modern due to the lack of radios. It is harder to communicate while under fire.

[ebon badge]

You can try, but it won't be as effective if you have an ftl who knows what they are doing vs not.

Random person in the squad going let's flank left without coordinating will just end up with miscommunication or a mistiming of an assault.

You'd think common sense would take over, but people mess basic stuff up. Like crossing behind the firing line instead of in front or maneuvering when no one is suppressing. It seems basic, but it's one of many little blunders that stack up. Hell even keeping an orderly conga line is hard without second or third ic. You'd think we can follow the person in front but it don't work. Forget trying to do stagger columns or wedges if we can't even do a single line.

Security is another. Ftls should automatically start adjusting their team to cover areas, but again it's left to the sl.

Basically an ftl who knows what they are doing allows you as an sl to focus on what's more important rather than the tiny details. (Ftl doesn't have to be an actual ftl, but someone you know can do the job.) Also not targeting you, you do fine when you are on.

[teal grove]

Nah the standard formation for every movement is always a cluster of guys within a 61mm mortor impact space (Im still haunted from one campaign)

[visual trail]

An FTL shouldn't be doing anything without the SL saying anyway, it's definetely amazing to have FTLs who know exactly what they are doing, but from my experience, an SL who knows what they are doing will go further than an FTL knowing what they are doing without the SL knowing what they are doing
Whenever I've SLd, while some things may not be automatic, simply saying "hey get alpha to cover west" was enough to get them to cover west

On the other hand, an SL who only knows how to walk in a straight line, will only get their squad to walk in a straight line

I'm going from if only 1 person really knows what to do, having the guy in charge knowing what they are doing is more important than random guy #3

Or well, an FTL

[ebon badge]

True. But I always believe that ftls can mitigate some of those faults from a bad sl. Same with Sls mitigating a bad 1-6.

You are right though. If your only form of leadership is bad then not much you can do.

[edgy raptor]

That is referred to as a tactical blob

[plucky forge]

A gaggle-fuck

[granite cape]

A blueberry bush

[royal elbow]

#1124647926199758899 message

at this point it’s so extremely unlikely that the admins would test out and implement another AI mod

it’s a lot of “work” to test and last time we tried was like 2/3 years ago

mod bloat / compatibility / performance reasons

[plucky forge]

If viper is supposed to be attached to a unit, but it lone wolfing away from who they're attached to, then it sounds like they aren't being attached to their unit and are violating SOP's

[gray python]

if viper is slotted as just marksman without a squad lead, then they have to attach to a line squad

if they are not then they are violating sops

if both a team lead and marksman are slotted, then they don't have to attach to a line squad

[raven sable]

I rarely see them stay attached for long sooner or later you end up split , imo the main issue is when you have two people slotted marksman who tend to just do their own thing over actually being a unit

And to be frank line squads don't really care about viper when they attach, I've been on both sides of this, viper alone just doesn't provide as much use as any other attachment, it's only really useful for hunting AAA and other emplacements

One other way would be removing viper 2 and just giving phantom a sniper and spotter

[plucky forge]

sounds like they're violating SOP

[raven sable]

Considering how easy it is to unintentionally break SOPs when attached as viper, they should probably be re evaluated to prevent people from doing so

It also makes it pretty unenforceable considering anyone could just say they are lost/got split from squad if they were solo

[zinc aurora]

i mean to be fair a regular rifleman is going to be more useful than a sniper in a line squad

[plucky forge]

[zinc aurora]

im not saying it's right tho

not attaching is a violation of SOP

I'm not saying it's "right" but it does make sense why it happens, viper is more effective (and a lot more fun) separate from the line squads, but nobody wants to go viper TL, so people just do it anyway without a TL

and nobody want to go TL because viper TL is only fun if you know your sniper imo

[raven sable]

i used to be a viper TL enthusiast but ive been told so many times this campaign that people dont want tl and just want to "attach"

[zinc aurora]

ok then that's just people wanting to lone wolf

[raven sable]

also why i think TL should get something fun like the Swedish K or CAR-15s

[zinc aurora]

i'd take a TL anyday, but I wouldn't want to TL with someone I don't know

[jolly tinsel]

I'd honestly would like it if Viper TL had a LR

I'd go TL more often

[zinc aurora]

i mean maybe, but still if things are going good for viper, the TL still wouldn't be doing any shooting

all it's doing is making you look cool

[zinc aurora]

i could see value in giving viper TL a short range tuned to 31

that way there's real benifit to having a TL, and giving them something to do

[raven sable]

That too it seems like the current set up discourages team play by splitting viper from comms

[raven sable]

tbh looking cool would be at least better than current situation, where TL is just a rifleman without SL

[zinc aurora]

TL isn't fun not only because you don't want to be in a scenario where you shoot your gun

but also because it's hard to actually spot in arma

most of the time the sniper can see their own rounds land better than the spotter, which makes their job as a spotter irrelevant

[raven sable]

also as someone who makes missions for other communities, you'd be surprised all of the boring roles people are willing to do in exchange for a cool gun

[raven sable]

tbh true, in ace its mainly just maths, which i know most other people dont really enjoy

[zinc aurora]

eh

at the ranges viper shoots it's nearly all kentucky windage

and you have a range card

there isn't really math involved unless you want to take a very precise shot, which there's no need to do

also none of the binos have mils so you can't even range

[plucky forge]

the vanilla ones should

[raven sable]

yea true, i remember in last campain it was mainly security/clearing the occasion building to fire from

[raven sable]

Dw i know haha ive been asking for it for so long but idk why we cant get them

[zinc aurora]

it's only the binos without mils in the arsenal afaik

we do have default binos, but they're less precise

[raven sable]

KOG has them but we dont for some reason

Vannila binos are only 5 mil increments-which is fine for arty in modern- but the SOG ones go to 1 mil increments which are much more useful for sniping

[zinc aurora]

im also remembeing my old suggestion
#1124647926199758899 message

give phantom TL and viper TL (not the sniper) a starlight in order to conduct very limited recon at night

also would give some semblance of usage for the TL

i think adding a SR (and maybe a cool gun) to viper TL would be a good idea

that's just my 2 cents tho

[obsidian kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-gif-21275969

Air assault when

[zinc aurora]

been saying this since 2024

#👮kc_command message

[teal grove]

But i like jumping out of vehicles and parachuting

[obsidian kestrel]

Air assault the way to go. Cant be anymore ranger than that

Makes having recce team a needed thing instwad of optional

[sinful sable]

I wonder if we have the SRAW somewhere

[sinful sable]

oh we do

nice

[teal grove]

GAF iykyk

[sinful sable]

marines :D

[teal grove]

Nah i was on about rangers

[sinful sable]

yeee but there's a lot we can do with marines as well

we have the SMAW, right?

[teal grove]

Goose

At least last week did marines

[visual trail]

More of a 101st thing tbh

[sinful sable]

I mean, I see some potential here

Iraq 2003 or 1991 (against the proper Iraqi forces tho)

we give line squads either SMAWs or SRAWs as assault units, then 1-4 is CAAT with Dragon IIIs

[visual trail]

#1124647926199758899 message @obsidian kestrel all you're really doing as making the already complicated job of leadership even more complicated by specialising them, any unit that adds drone operators to the squad has a specific role for it like the usmc. Also they already have limited ISR capabilities with the huntIR which does not take away from shadows job. A problem you mention is SLs running head first into shit, so clearly there's a slight leadership issue. Giving leadership more work when they already aren't fulfilling their current job to the max only makes them worse off. Also shadow already has ISR capabilities and it's not exactly difficult to talk to shadow and get them to scout out or guide a squad

If you want to improve the squad experience, focus on stream lining and making leaderships job easier so they can be more effective at their actual job

[abstract mason]

NO

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1475182214277759107/caption.gif

[crimson briar]

@gray anvil you gonna take that level of disrespect 🤣🤣🤣

[teal grove]

Lmao ive had this for ages forgot about it

[obsidian kestrel]

Fair point, i was more in making gameplay fun

[magic salmon]

All you need is @granite pilot to go 1-6 to confuse the fuck out of you all and make plans on the fly. That was interesting lmao

[visual trail]

Idk, i don't think adding things entirely unrelated to the role will do much to make it more fun, especially when what you're adding is already fulfilled by another role, adding drones and switchblades to squads wouldn't prevent mindless walking and mascas being on everyone's bingo card

Plus if you add roles that conflict together, you end up being worse at both

[plucky forge]

101 does it a lot but it's good for light infantry, which is what we tend to act as

[bold harness]

Hey lee who would i dm about an op idea ?

[hazy delta]

Oh god

Wrap it up chat

[bold harness]

Nah trustation this a banger

[abstract mason]

👀

[visual trail]

lol yh anyone can do air assaults tbh, 101st just revolves entirely around it lol

[teal grove]

As far as im aware any admin

[regal onyx]

oh god

[hazy delta]

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[bold harness]

Ok ill send u the information in 10 minutes

[bold harness]

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[rocky glen]

im rooting for you bunker

all of them are haters

[bold harness]

Love u jake

[rocky glen]

❤️

[hazy delta]

I'm a hater

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[bold harness]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kfC17XxSSSaNkID9Xt

[gray anvil]

not wrong

[tardy kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-blacklist-krostori-raymond-reddington-james-spader-that-was-a-mistake-gif-6769260773351613675

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

I agree with all of this with the exception of Riflemen. Giving riflemen DMR's this will promote the issue we currently have with Viper (lone wolfing). If we are having issues with Vipers breaking SOPs and deploying alone.

[hazy delta]

last modern riflemen had DMRs just saying

[gray python]

the drone one is questionable. It would make modern phantom which is already useless as a recon role when shadow exists, even more redundant. It's hard to make something already useless in a role more useless, but that would do it.

[tardy kestrel]

ftl*

[cloud slate]

Don't tell the Phantom mains that... They might MasCas.

[plucky forge]

They're going to do that regardless

[gray python]

I play phantom... but only in nam because they can actually do stuff. In modern their purpose is just not needed when shadow and reaper can do it better.

And the sniper portion is pretty shit too in modern particularly against Russians and the chinese because their body armor is bull shit and can tank like 3 chest shots from a .50.

[gray python]

there is never a 6-6 slotted

and that wouldn't make them get slotted more

just make support assets used less

[plucky forge]

@crimson wasp #1124647926199758899 message

Also just enforcing danger close SOP's...

The amount of times I watch it get completely ignored before CAS blue on blue's or someone demolishes half a civilian point is way too often

[crimson wasp]

good

[gray python]

nope

6-6 is a boring role, you barely play the game. You tell 1-6 where to go and your entire role in the planning is done.

And you have nothing to do after that

do you think giving them paper work would make the role more engaging?

or fun

support asset saturation is an issue that is already solved by 1-8

it is not anyone else's responsibility to prevent over reach

[plucky forge]

it really hasn't been...

[gray python]

if you want them to do it more, make sops enforced more

[plucky forge]

Usually just ends up feeling like CAS trying to lump all the blame for them being over-slotted and overused on 1-8 instead of taking any responsibility themselves

[gray python]

they have no responsibility in overuse.

over slotting sure

but their use is entirely dependent on another role.

[crimson wasp]

I just think all assets are overused and infantry should do more on an infantry based server but that's just my opinion

[gray python]

Infantry doesn't have enough power to do that

[royal elbow]

how? the enemy has been heavily nerfed over the years, and esperically on vietnam

[gray python]

Vietnam is the exception.

[plucky forge]

Support roles working for the infantry, not just bullying one dude into letting them take everything themselves

[gray python]

there's fuck all in terms of bgs

[royal elbow]

infantry is strongest on vietnam, and CAS is still heavily abused

[gray python]

im not talking about nam

[plucky forge]

always will be

[gray python]

nam is great for infantry

Modern is a slog. enemy infantry armor is busted

[crimson wasp]

what?

bmps die to 1 stick

[royal elbow]

that, and that entire argument can be nulified if we stop facing bullshit broken ass opfor factions like china and rhs russia

[gray python]

did I say bmps

I said enemy infantry armor

where it takes like 15 shots

to kill a single guy

[gray python]

that's all the factions we face

besides the like every now and then terrorist faction

[royal elbow]

I mean yeah, thats the problem

like me and kyle were talking about last large scale argument in this channel, people have been asking for that to be fixed, even offering to fix it, for quite some time

[crimson wasp]

you said Armour at first and then changed it after I replied

also the infantry Armour isn't even that strong compared to how it used to be

[gray python]

he replied after I edited it

[plucky forge]

don't think so

[crimson briar]

i see where the confusion happened lol

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[bold harness]

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[zinc aurora]

blufor infantry die way more often in modern than on nam

[zinc aurora]

unironiclly just remove phantom from modern

like sure they can FO, but so can every line squad, and if you want CFF that's 1-8s job

[zinc aurora]

disagree since viper is their own unit. even with a solo marksman attaching most SLs don't really care about them or keeping them "under their command." an SL is gonna be a lot more inclined to keep their own squad member accountable

also like bostan said, last modern campgain they had DMRs for line squads

for the drones, you could prob just throw a single black hornet in the squad AT crate, that way they only get one

could alternatively put a couple in 1-6 crate

[desert star]

We can kill and destroy anything the enemy can muster without ANYTHING ELSE BUT INFANTRY. You just can't be soft

[desert star]

Used to be really bad before they nerfed it. And we still killed them no problem

[desert star]

When 6 actual is done right he can actually control the whole flow of the operation not just by setting the AO but by providing logistical direction from FOB in cordination with stalker and ogre to ensure things are happening before they need done. Big moves like setting up a COP or RRR location can be quarterbacked by 6 away from the front.

[gray python]

There is never enough of that needed for 6 to be necessary. Stalker and ogre can already already pre organize resupplies themselves.

6, or 8 can set up a forward triple R

or even an asset can request one to be made, which is something i've requested quite frequently.

6-6 offers nothing unique or useful that another role can't already do, while being more enjoyable. Besides authorizing fob moves.

6-6 is the platoons bitch, who exists to do one thing, then get off because they have nothing else to do.

[desert star]

Sure the server is designed to continiously run without slots being filled by following the chain of command. The same is true for no support assets , the server is designed to run and be acheivable without these roles. Does it mean they are useless or does it mean that you can be more effective with these slots filled. Same holds true for 6. 6 allows for smooth operations from FOB by providing support and direction. And if you think this is wrong i can tell you the first 3 years here we had some really good dedicated 6-6's who understood these things one of the best ever was Beans

[gray python]

chewing through 200+ infantry, armor, and emplacements on every single point with just infantry would be the slog to out slog all slogs.

I can't imagine a more boring experience. Without any support getting mulched by 5 hmgs, zu bunkers, and gmgs.

[desert star]

I can tell you we have done it atleast the first 3 years. It wasnt a slog and the units were way more and with long armor columns of BG'S. It wasn't a slog it wasn't even a fair fight for them.

I will also agree if 25 people are on the server and you have one infantry squad and the rest slotted support is usually how that looks you prolly don't need a 6 slotted. But if you have a full company a good 6 can really keep everything running smoothly and on time from FOB

[sinful sable]

It didn't use to be this way btw

But noooo we needed shadow or something

This is why shadow is the only one I would ever want to just delete

It took the responsibility of 2 other roles for no real reason or gain besides removing the independence of ISR

And I can't call that a gain

[visual trail]

@zinc aurora Just because something was used does not mean everyone used it, it's not historically accurate to add a marksman to a rifle squad when they were never organically part of a rifle squad
And DMR may have been given to someone in the platoon to act as the platoons marksman as is done now, but thats a platoon thing

[gray python]

could place like 2 dmrs in the 1-6 crate maybe. If the dmr thing is wanted I suppose

[visual trail]

Yh, there is also already slots that can take marksman/sniper rifles

So the alternative is we just use them for their intended role

Like idk the purpose of adding things into line squads when they already exist seperately

[sharp charm]

6-6 also has overall command of both Viper and Phantom when he is on. So not only can he give general direction to the rest of the platoon, he can give some specific orders to those 2 assets.

[hazy delta]

6-6 is usually just a pain in the ass to deal with because most people who play it have a superiority complex and try and micromanage everyone he can 💀
Or just gets slotted to stop purchases of assets or to stop 1-6 from going to an AO "he doesn't like" 💀

[jolly tinsel]

Don't forget that one time in Australia where someone slotted 6-6, bought a jet and reslotted Reaper lmao

[hazy delta]

ahem

💀 real

[jolly tinsel]

Still wish that Reaper asset was refunded

I do agree w/ @crimson wasp post about having 6-6 be the only one for "Danger Close Approval" since we have people abusing it causing many revolts and many low rep

[brisk gull]

6-6's value dwindled when the 2nd platoon was pulled and it's truly been a hit or miss by who's slotted in it

[brisk gull]

My issue with that is the fact that 6-6 so often has no situation awareness as to what's actually going on in the field. Even on Nam sometimes 1-6s are lacking it.

Again these are my opinions in this case

[jolly tinsel]

That is true in the case of Nam

[teal grove]

Situational awareness is hard to have - I do think that given the right sl's/rto's it makes it a lot easier to gain the awareness of whats going on.

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1476667191272149053/caption.gif

[visual trail]

Tbh imo danger close distance should be increased

[ebon badge]

600m?

[gray python]

way too high

my god

[ebon badge]

That's what danger close actually is

[desert star]

Micromanaging is the enemy. It's true there but also true for 1-6 and in a much worse way

[gray python]

I think the current distance is fine. 6 just needs to actually do their due diligence and not authorize it for every call.

No wraith,reaper, demon, savage. you can not hit the hmg in the middle of the town with a nuke.

[visual trail]

Lmao yh, nah but like 300 would be alr

And danger close should only be authorised when friendly forces are in immediate danger and unable to safely withdraw

[ebon badge]

But old doctrine was heavily reliant on danger close fire missions. 20% of ally casualties in WW2 were due to friendly fire. I need to drop ordinance on my platoon.

[visual trail]

20% is crazy lol

[ebon badge]

The reason is even crazier. It was deemed that the number of enemy taken out about said firemission was enough to out weigh the cost of friendly causalties

https://tenor.com/view/lord-gif-15153397299583870935

[visual trail]

Lmao

Yh

[ebon badge]

Also my favorite statistic, the paradrop. Acceptable casualty limit, 60%. Just going to lose half of my regiment and deem it a success. Them Napoleonic numbers

[visual trail]

It's also great that like genuine airborne doctrine is if you are unable to complete your objectives you just get into LGOP and raise fucking hell

[ebon badge]

I would too if I had 120 pounds of gear with enough explosives to take out bridges

[visual trail]

Fuck yh

[cloud slate]

You're not playing it right.

[gray python]

k

i don't know how im meant to respond to that

[bold harness]

Most intense 6-6 gameplay : get asked for an asset

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[gray python]

6-6 after he tells 1-6 to go there. it's the most amount of action he'll see during the restart. https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-wait-wait-wait-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-no-no-gif-3953145018746293549

[bold harness]

REAL

[cloud slate]

Use 6-6 to coordinate company assets to support the platoon. Use Ogre/Stalker to organize resupply and reinserts.

[regal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1208947633536634941/1457118318631587921/togif.gif

[gray python]

there's like 2 company assets, wraith and phantom. Both of which tend to just ask 6 if they can do so and so, and are granted it. Ogre and stalker already self organize resupply and reinserts.

following initial

insert

[cloud slate]

Wraith
Phantom
OGRE
Viper
Butcher
Goblin

[gray python]

butcher can't be commanded by 6-6

viper is a nam exclusive role and im mainly speaking about modern.

in terms of 6-6 sucking

though it also sucks in nam irregardless of that

so you get 4 roles, wraith and phantom who are typically doing their own thing. Goblin which typically just get sent to build pillow forts with 1-4 or some other line squad.

Whoopty fucking do

[cloud slate]

I see where you are getting your arguments. After the 6-6 reworks last year... all of the SOP's will be written with 1-6 in mind.

[raven sable]

i feel like adding like intercommand issues is one of many irl things that just wont be fun in lib (i.e. 1-6 wants goblin to clear a road with 1-1 but 6-6 wants them to go with 1-4 to an sbf)

[gray python]

naw clearly bureaucracy is the most fun mechanic

[raven sable]

it would just lead to more arguments which i dont think would help the community

if we really wanted to change how command works bringing back 2nd platoon with a full 2nd HQ would be much more enjoyable

[gray python]

player count isn't filled enough for that

that would simply make the command structure chaotic as hell.

[raven sable]

tbh true

[gray python]

there is simply no place for 6-6 with their current sop set up

it makes command cluttered

and makes it harder for 1-6 to plan things if company command is stripping them of like 4 assets

it is difficult enough parsing 31 when 8 different people are yapping and giving and replying to orders. Now you have to parse a 9th person with loose amounts of control over the platoon, some it has control over, some it does not.

[cloud slate]

This was the reason for the 6-6 rework. All power was handed to 1-6 and 6-6 is now only for Fob moves.

The role is hard to define.

"In theory assets that use 30 main are 6-6 assets"

[cloud slate]

That's why some of the communication was supposed to be on 30.

[gray python]

if you then split up 6-6 controlled assets on 30, and platoon lead controlled roles on 31. It muddies communication

And makes it difficult for the 2 separate controlled assets to communicate and cooperate

[plucky forge]

and half the time the people who are supposed to be on 30 aren't, so I have to jump over to 31 to reach them

[cloud slate]

Exactly, they move over to 31 due to 1-6 only monitoring 31.

The perfect world is that 1-6 talks to company assets on 30 and platoon assets on 31. The company assets always switch to 31 and muddle it up.

[gray python]

that isn't a perfect world because then it means 30 and 31 assets are forced to go through a medium, 1-6, to communicate with each other and to cooperate.

[plucky forge]

Which is how it's supposed to work per the SOPs but some of the people who play 1-6 don't want to bother with two nets (especially when one of them is 31)

[zinc aurora]

i mean historically not every rifle squad had an RTO attached to them either

it's more just to give infantry something fun to use

while still not being ridiculous or outlandish

also last modern modern campaign we had DMRs for rifle squads

defo don't think everyone in the squad should get one, but it's
a). something fun for infantry
b). limited in capability (i.e. less capable than viper)
c). grounded (somewhat) in reality

it's also not an upgrade from the m16, what you gain in magnification and power you lose in ammo capacity and weight

i.e. both have different capabilities making one not explicitly better than the other

[visual trail]

Yh, I've said about removing that in the past, squad RTOs that is

[obsidian kestrel]

give eveyone XM7, problem solved hahaha

[honest oyster]

It would be interesting to simulate a conflict with the new rifle.

[visual trail]

I feel bad for Americans that have to use that shit lol

[honest oyster]

It’s a good rifle, the army’s design requirements are the problem. The new version is better.

[visual trail]

It would be good as a DMR, maybe like 1 guy per squad gets it to be a squad marksman, but as a standard issue rifle it's shit

[teal grove]

Whats the new one ?

[honest oyster]

Depends on the situation. Would be great at long engagement distances but i agree that the ammo count and recoil impulse is a concern, a squad cannot sustain suppressive fire for very long, or as accurately unless the riflemen reduce their fire rate.

[visual trail]

Yh, and considering half of your objectives as infantry is to close in with and destroy the enemy

It would have been great for afghanistan...

[honest oyster]

The round itself is absolutely devastating though.

[honest oyster]

Absolutely

[visual trail]

But for a modern war where a lot of it is close range like ukraine, that shits going to be a bitch and a half

[honest oyster]

Meh, ukraine has alot of far ranges too. Lets put this one down or move to another channel, this channel is for feedback.

[ebon badge]

Bullet pin senor. 6.8 nullifies a lot cover and armor. It may shot further, but when up close that thing will just shoot through your cover

[visual trail]

Except you get less ammo, it's longer and it's heavier

Sustainment is a lot harder as well because you can't bring as much ammo

[ebon badge]

The scope is a range finder and I believe built in thermals. The idea is suppression via accuracy, what the Marines shifted over to, but the army still gets a belt fed version of the 6.8. you can do more with less is the intention.

For trench fighting it'll suck, but US is about force multiplier, so it's never just infantry doing the work now.

[visual trail]

The scope can be attached to any gun and work the same way

We also get back to sustainment and weight which the m4 does much better in both regards

[ebon badge]

Just give it a chance. Gun was designed for a reason and it will def be very usable in the long run.

The gun can pin most light armor vics. In places like Ukraine this is very needed in those open fields.

Places like in the Middle East. It's very good. No real heavy armor and engagement distances out to 1000.

Anything cqb will be the only outlier, but even then we had to modify the m4 platform to get the desired results for that area.

Weight will be an issue, but if our grandfather's can carry a m1 grand or bar all day, I think we will be fine for this rifle.

[desert star]

Even the thompson was a heavy bitch

[teal grove]

LAMG best new gun developed

[visual trail]

You can say that for the M14 as well and that was the shortest lived US service rifle iirc

I won't say its a bad rifle, I think I did say that before but I specifically mean as a general issue rifle, as a DMR platform, it would be amazing

[ebon badge]

We are also talking about a longer range gun, fighting in jungles vs a gun designed to be fighting in eastern Europe. Twas destined to fail under those conditions.

It's why the Marines are keeping the m27 vs going to the new 6.8 They are training more for island hop campaigns in the Pacific.

Idk man US is in weird spot with its doctrine cause we have to split focus.

[visual trail]

Yh, plus there's the historical issue of always preparing for the last war lol

[visual trail]

lmao theres the same amount of people in a line squad as there are in phantom

[regal onyx]

yeah and we captured the airfield on our own

[hazy delta]

line squad but its with people who play with eachother and we actually do stuff

💀

[visual trail]

nahhh impossible

could never happen

[magic salmon]

Line squad that’s not afraid of the dark

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[magic salmon]

Only reason I can’t wait for nods again, so we can actually have progress instead of an hours Halt on the push

[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

or give phantom the shorty m60 instead of the regular m60

[honest oyster]

Leadership issue

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

How about sawed off M79's?

[royal elbow]

yah you have to wait soooooo long since they made nights 10 minutes long 🥹🥹

[gray python]

nights last an hour tops

[royal elbow]

maybe an hour from when the sun starts setting theres no way its that long

[sharp charm]

The nights in the Nam were set to last 1 hour of real time with daytime taking up the other 4 hours for a restart.

[plucky forge]

People in important roles are supposed to make sure others know when they're getting off, but whether or not they actually do that...

[sharp charm]

@sinful sable The M202 FLASH (FLame Assault SHoulder) is a 4-barreled 66mm incendiary rocket launcher developed in the early 1970s to replace traditional flamethrowers. While prototypes (XM191/XM202) were tested during the Vietnam War, it saw limited operational use and was produced too late to be widely used in that conflict. So it was never sent out in fulll scale divisional use. 🙁

[sinful sable]

yeah, that's what I said

it wasn't produced until 1978

but we do know it was sent out while on low-rate for testing

I actually stumbled upon the FLASH mod while testing another mod that would be really nice for modern

[sharp charm]

The xm191 was tested as the m202 was the end result of those tests. The M202 never saw vietnam though as it was not final till 1978

[sinful sable]

yeah sadly I don't see an XM191 mod 😂

[sharp charm]

doesnt mean the cs team wont look at it just saying it was not officially in the nam

[plucky forge]

Not sure why the conventional unit that we're playing as would be given experimental weapons

[sinful sable]

im giving ideas here, considering I've seen the documents pointing to dates as early as 1970

also, it's not like the DLC here isn't about SOG

also, it was sent out on both US army and USMC units

[plucky forge]

The DLC has the entire map that we're using. Not just a single weapon

[sinful sable]

so it was definetely sent to conventional units

on US army it appears to have ended up on rifle platoons in limited numbers and on USMC it has ended up on Assault teams and/or Weapons Platoons

[plucky forge]

again, not seeing the justification of adding a whole outdated weapon pack (I'm only seeing it in POOK's Heavy weapons) just for one weapon

[sinful sable]

nope

it is not in an outdated weapon pack

[plucky forge]

last updated Oct 5, 2021

[sinful sable]

it is a standalone weapon mod that's like 30MBs

[plucky forge]

I'm looking at something different then since you didn't link the mod

[sinful sable]

lemme see if I can grab a link for you

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3614202944

another mod I'd look into for modern is the Enhanced MAAWS for RHS mod, since it gives us additional MAAWS round types, makes them more configurable and both changes their velocity and forces you to set the sights for each round (as well as just makes the rounds a bit better)

imo I would implement the flash here as 1 launcher in the unit it's put in with 4 HEAT and 4 HE rounds (or just the launcher with 4 HE rounds)

[visual trail]

More MAAWS rounds would be really cool

[royal elbow]

really the only useful rounds in that mod are the ASMs

the saclos and wire guided are fun tho

the rounds are way heavier in comparison to the vanilla ones

[ebon badge]

Hear me out. We add 30rd mags for m16.

[visual trail]

I think it would just be cool to have the smoke and illum even if they arent the most useful in modern

And the airburst

[ebon badge]

We need more space or more crates. The he rounds already take a good amount of room and we get very few.

Also would rather have more he or airburst in general since we have plenty of things that can smoke or illum.

Also depends on how reliable the round is as well.

[plucky forge]

weren't standard issue and were only available to special forces until after the war due to reliability issues

[sinful sable]

HE airburst actually works btw

[sinful sable]

also, I wasn't referring to the MAAWS additional ammo types mod

though that doesn't sound terrible either

if anything, it sounds like a neat way to get a middle ground for AT weapons, considering that I am a fan of the Dragon III and the lighter Metis variants.

I'd stick to the rounds that actually exist irl though
btw, the two mods in question (Enhanced MAAWS for RHS and MAAWS Additional Ammo Types) are incompatible, as the first one overrides the 2nd)

[granite cape]

We've looked at this before

[sinful sable]

for nam specifically?

[granite cape]

It got brought up during nam, and was not added for the above mentioned reason that it wasnt really widespread, or a fully implemented system until well after nam was over

Cannonically, I think the maps date is 1968 or 1969 when we set it up, but I realize that part is totally arbitrary

Besides,you guys already do a good job burning down villages by hand as it is

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/588979185687461908/1112609195477450752/3E833AB3-DCE8-49F1-B095-6A679D0ACC0D.gif?width=1060&height=376

[sinful sable]

yeah sadly the one I mentioned doesn't simulate the incendiary effect either :(

it only functions as HE/FAE

(and HEAT)

[granite cape]

Yeah I think that was the other main reason, it doesnt do the thing,its basically just a 4x LAW

Which is cool, but a little OP

[sinful sable]

oh yeah, it is pretty strong

honestly though, I do wish we get to use it in other campaigns because ya really gotta feel bad that this thing was so underused IRL despite being such an awesome concept

btw, with that we could probably even bring some of the vc armor back because this somehow just doesn't have the problems of the Super Bazooka

[granite cape]

An interesting point for balance.

but yeah personally I'd love to have one that works with a flame effect, and a situation where it was plausible

[sinful sable]

yeah, me too

as an avid lover of the RShG and RPO-A rocket launchers, I just wish we had a US equivalent

btw daedone what do ya think of the other thing I mentioned

(the MAAWS mods)

[granite cape]

Didnt we try that a long time agp?

[sinful sable]

idk, I haven't seen them once since I've been here

[granite cape]

I feel like I vaguely remember it

[sinful sable]

and I've been here for years

and there's actually two of them to try with

[granite cape]

Wdym, youve only been here since april last year

https://tenor.com/view/mib-men-in-black-will-gif-20590125

[sinful sable]

notwithstanding the fact I usually take breaks around april

[granite cape]

See if you can dig up those mods. We will always consider things, we just dont always say yes.

[sinful sable]

alright, I have the links so I'll just send them here and compare what each does

[granite cape]

Ill check my mods when I get home, like I said I think we looked at at least one of them, but I could be wrong

[sinful sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3372043620
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2589302544

Enhanced MAAWS's main allure is the programmable airburst distance, velocity changes (and fixed sights so you both get better sights and have to change sights between rounds) and variable fuzes for the MT rounds

MAAWS Ammo Types (2nd link because ofc it won't load it properly, gj discord)'s main allure is the addition of those fancier new Raytheon SACLOS rounds in HE, MT and HEAT variants. (but airburst and fuzes are set)

These mods cannot co-exist with each other

[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

is this not just in ACE already?

[royal elbow]

I thought the same thing

[regal onyx]

yeah @gray python thats been in ace for years now lol

[gray python]

really?

[zinc aurora]

idk what the default bind is, but for me it's my open door key + scroll wheel

[sinful sable]

so uhh yeah @granite cape which mod of the two did you have already

[granite cape]

Lol sorry man, forgot to look. Ill check tonight

[sinful sable]

so :D

[granite cape]

Yeah......

Today fr fr

Dm me to remind me lol

[sinful sable]

god damn

and here I thought I am an airhead

[granite cape]

I'm subbed to the additional maaws types but not the first one

@sinful sable

[sinful sable]

ah

but yeah, that enhanced MAAWS thing is quite cool especially if you're using it in tandem with the airburst HE rounds

[magic salmon]

#1124647926199758899 message

@half badge Do you mean cookoff?

[granite pilot]

nah p320 has a random discharge issue

[plucky forge]

It's not a random discharge, but it is uncommanded. Too much play in the slide allows the striker to fall with only light pressure on the trigger.

Still bad engineering and shouldn't have been sold like that from what I can see, but not it's not like every P320 is a random ticking time bomb.

[raven sable]

The divide between US Sig and Swiss (real) Sig is pretty funny, one has like 50 mid to bomb tier guns vs like 10 of the best guns out there lol

[half badge]

bman had it right, i was making a jab at the uncommanded discharge issue the p320 family has, though i do think it'd actually be a neat mod to have.

ive seen footage that indicates there isnt even trigger pressure required at all. most damning footage i've personally seen was a comp shooter having his AD towards his thigh while still in the holster, seemingly from the jostling of his hand pressing into the backstrap of the grip on his drawstroke

dude was fine tho it deflected off his pocketknife lol

[plucky forge]

PBs are already a solution for low-pop and should remain under the overall ground commander instead of being up to possibly several different squad leaders.

[hazy delta]

#1124647926199758899 message
@spare hollow
The PB mechanic itself is bad and was only really meant for super low pop.. breaks the gameplay loop when there's more than like 15 people on. The PB itself was nerfed like a year ago from being deployed whenever to hard scripted to being unusable when > 35 people are on.

[spare hollow]

Regarding (#1124647926199758899 message)
Thanks @crimson briar , @hazy delta , @visual trail , @ebon badge , @plucky forge and @sharp charm:
So it sounds like there is a lot of potential overhead to make any changes to begin with and PBs were only meant as a work-around for low-pop to begin with, with the limitation that a single person who is trusted with 1-6 perms can apply with limited discretion (#1248944616766443582 message).

Would there then be a way (assuming the limited population constraint remains in place) for the 1-6 to treat it closer to a 1-9 stretcher, that is: you must take down your old one to place a new one and there may only be 1 at a time?

Reason being: Assume we have only 5 people who want to play, do they: Hike x km for each re-insert, take vehicles (which are limited without an admin) which cost resources to re-insert each time, deploy a PB for the first objective and hike the remaining distance regardless of where the team is currently?

If it could be moved with the group (even if it is only 1-6 having one open at a time), this might incentivize people to continue playing during low-pop times. This is a theory though, unsure if it is the best solution.

[spare hollow]

Regarding the Ogre-Stalker question: I genuinely appreciate the variety of roles that this server offers and (in a positive light) the micromanagement nature of "if I want supplies, I need a friend who is managing packing the re-supply, to hand off to another friend who can bring it up to me" in order to simulate real-world logistics and resupply. I really enjoy learning about real-world logisitcs so this is a plus for me.
However, if there are only 5 people online and it takes 5 to cap a point; are we expecting that one of those 5 will play stalker to fly re-inserts or ogre to drive logistics in and 'show up' for the cap? Or, that they should just not try to play until more people can be on?
I know this is not directly related to the PB question but as @ebon badge had reasonably pointed out, 'multiple pbs' defeats the purpose of the re-insert function of these roles (not necessarily the resupply).

[visual trail]

If you manage to cap a point with only 5 people in total, fucking congrats lmao

But thats also thats a situation where the PB, placed by 1-6 would be used

You'd just need someone to slot it, but if you added it to SLs you run into the same issue except someone now needs to slot either 1-6 or an SL

[sharp charm]

I do not think SL's should get option to deploy a PB. Thats a 1-6 thing and should stay that way

I also dont think 1-6 should get multiple times to redeploy a PB. At most you only get to move it once after original deployment.

and to safeguard it a bit, the move can only be made if under certain amount of people(10 or less) and no stalker.

[quiet flicker]

Can we organize some kind of visibility campaign for the server? I play Nuclear Option and when Drewski dropped his 1-hour Nuclear Option video, it brought a lot of players to that game which I think was pretty healthy for it.

Granted, NO is a lot more accessible to pick up than Arma 3 / KC Lib, but we are struggling to keep player counts in the last little while. The 117-player Saigon event of last campaign was super-duper impressive but I am just not seeing the consistent player counts that we need to keep this server playable. The last several days of #💣kc_company have been multiple different discussions of server pop. We have multiple discussions in this forum that really boil down to similar issues. PBs? 6-6 being useless and 2nd platoon being gutted? PB mechanics changes, 6-6 changes, and 2nd platoon being gutted would all be nonexistent if we had numbers.

I don't think a massive bolus of players would be healthy because it'd just be a bunch of fresh people with little understanding, but a somewhat steady trickle of new players would really help the server. Maybe a few smaller videos by creators.

I've seen several somewhat-new people to the server over the last month express concern over the low pop, and have been on less and less because we are combat ineffective. It's tough to get even 7 people online on a Sunday night.

There's always some reason or excuse -- Ready or Not DLC dropped, Broken Arrow released, BF6 had an update, new Dune game is out, some other bullshit -- and maybe I'm doomering here but it just feels like the server is dying. 6-6 will never be fun when there aren't more than one line squad and stalker online to coordinate company logistics.

Can we brainstorm ideas to get people to play the game so it's playable, preferably without being elitist towards new players? This server is a blast when it's populated and I don't want to see it atrophy into oblivion.

[teal grove]

The biggest thing i’ve seen from people is they want to change factions from the US to anything else. The issue with that at least to my knowledge and understanding is that lib id built of a vision, changing factions from the US doesnt fit with that vision.

The next is changes to medical. Being someone that enjoys the more complex stuff, i get why people want it however it doesnt fit with the idea of lib.

The big thing with lib is that at its core it is the exact same, people get burnt out of doing the same thing. Another thing id say is most people dont say why they wont play so its harder to gauge that level but feedback required to gauge and understand of why people dont play ect.

[royal elbow]

that literally cant be true, the faction change

how could they sphagetti code the gamemode so bad that what started as changing a value is now impossible

[teal grove]

Thats the answer that has been given in regards to changing faction since I joined.

[royal elbow]

they could literally keep the exact faciotn they have in the pbo but put russian gear into the arsenal and it would work

[quiet flicker]

Just some numbers for my post here

Blue graph (30 days):
Saigon operation player count maximum was 117
Current campaign launch day maximum was 70
Averaging about 15-20 on good days

Red graph (7 days):
26 maximum
10-15 on good days
Sunday afternoon max was 13
Saturday afternoon max was 16

[teal grove]

Yeah but as mentioned it doesnt fit the vision if you change from the USA to russia.

[royal elbow]

so its not an impossibility its "not fitting the vision of the server"

russia was just an example

[teal grove]

No it was never stated as "Impossible" just as a No due to the vision that lib is built on.

[royal elbow]

oh I read vision as version im working

[teal grove]

🤣 well done mitch

[royal elbow]

thought there was some cope that they broke the pbo or something

[quiet flicker]

I get being burnt out, plenty of people get burnt out and cycle. When I started playing lib I saw a bunch of people playing dune and the big thing they said was "oh yeah dune is out and so is broken arrow so nobody's playing right now but we'll be back"

well buddy I haven't seen any of those guys on since that day like 10 months ago lol

[teal grove]

without the feedback of those that rarely play / dont play its not easy to fully understand things.

[quiet flicker]

We've discussed why people quit/move on ad nauseum, I think the biggest reason that "current regulars" aren't playing right now is server pop numbers. I've tried seeding several times myself.

I'm trying to start a campaign to get new players in, not reach out to old players and try to bring them back. They may come back on their own, who knows

[sinful sable]

tbf that is kinda me with baltic battalion rn

[quiet flicker]

Case in point.

[royal elbow]

only way to get new players is a youtube video

[quiet flicker]

We can't do anything about the current state of the videogame market -- there are tons of titles competing for market space.

We can do certain things to bring players in, however.

Yes youtube videos were my first suggestion.

[sinful sable]

like, when I say stuff about france or other nations, I have also never advocated for them being the primary faction not just due to vision

[royal elbow]

old players arent consistently coming back you need new ones

[sinful sable]

I also understand the HORRENDOUS amount of recoding that would need to be done

[royal elbow]

vision reason is stupid this servers proabaly about to shut down

[sinful sable]

unfortunately, this is kind of a youtube issue and really, just that there are no content creators on lib

[teal grove]

You would know if it was going to shut - The Vision is what all things are based on weather you realise it or not. Someone has a vision and makes it a reality its that simple. If something doesnt fit within that vision it may not be part of things. In all honesty that goes for most things and not just lib.

[quiet flicker]

Last 8 videos on Karma's channel are, in reverse chronological order (newest to oldest):

Bellum Bellum Bellum Bellum Bellum Arma 3 BF6 Arma 3

With the last video being 3 months ago, so Karma is a busy boi with his new bellum game and is 1) releasing fewer videos in total, and 2) making more Bellum content than arma 3

These things are all perfectly understandable and I'm not making this a karma bitching post, but it is a factor in the consistently low server pops we're seeing.

Took me a long time to write this message so I'm a bit lagged from my previous comment, but consider it a chain to my last comment.

[quiet flicker]

Yeah it's not like we have a mailing list where we can hit all the OGs up with the 👉 🙇‍♂️ 👈 pwease come back

[sinful sable]

we should all play broken arrow someday
real talk tho, this is just natural, we just need content creators on the server and the players are gonna follow

...that is how I joined

ok well that and the fact I had desired to fly :D

[quiet flicker]

Drewski has been on for the last 2 campaign restarts, but I don't see any videos from him recently on KC Lib -- WHICH AGAIN IS FAIR lol I don't expect him to make a video every time he's playing a videogame. KOGFOR is probably just fun to play on campaign restarts when there's a bunch of us online.

[royal elbow]

im pretty sure hes been recording

we usually give him clips

[regal onyx]

Hes a busy man

[quiet flicker]

Yeah I'm not trying to sound like I'm complaining; it was a response to knockout saying we need content creators on the server. We've had drewski a few times, albeit without videos and livestreams (afaik). Come to think of it, a livestream would probably be a better way to get players on than youtube videos. Videos tend to cause a surge, streams cause a slower trickle

[sinful sable]

yeah, I should also specify

we need others to know they play on the server too.

(and ideally the belief that their viewers can play with them)

[hazy delta]

we can get crazy yt vid and get 120 people on launch of ww2 dont matter if 2 weeks later the server's empty dawgs

[royal elbow]

true and real

wheres the gif of submit your suggestions and ...

[teal grove]

TBF we read the suggestions regularly - most of them if we know the answer regarding it I try to respond to when i can.

[quiet flicker]

1. if 120 people show up on one day and 5 stay, we've increased our average server population by 20-30% based on the graphs.
2. got a better idea?

[hazy delta]

if 120 people hop where 5 are new and stay then 20 older ones give up and leave then you have a 20% decrease based on uhhh idk

[quiet flicker]

If 5000 people hop on and 10000 stay but 20 olders ones give up you've got a crazy big 69420% increase. The hypotheticals are hypotheticaling more and more lol

[bold harness]

honestly it has been the same campaigns same enemies same maps same layout same enemy assets and friendly assets there is nothing new

[hazy delta]

mine's not a hypothetical tho. Stuff is stale..

[royal elbow]

but the vision

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/cs2-skins-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-15755793359953022782

[tacit pasture]

is the vision in the room with us now

[quiet flicker]

I get it; as stated earlier, we're not bringing the old players back reliably. That's why I'm asking for ways to get new players in. That's my whole suggestion.

Plenty of people play games with little-to-no updates for many years though, valve games are good example. They mostly just have cosmetics

[hazy delta]

You can only play the same maps and factions so many times.. And without a fresh player influx then you dont have a playerbase anymore. Sure you can get crazy videos and have pop but its gonna be a new generation of players that are new and probably more casual while the old guard still doesnt wanna play the same stuff so you end up with lower all around skill level that turns in less enjoyment that turns into bad retainment lmao

[quiet flicker]

Yeah, I expect making sure the quality stays acceptable will be another challenge, but you can't tackle that problem if there's nobody online to begin with.

So do you have any ideas on how to reverse the current trajectory of dwindling player counts while also maintaining some semblance of quality and avoiding COD lobby hobbyists?

[royal elbow]

hes saying the same thing everyones been saying for years

less shit gear and a non us western faction

stoip fighting rhs russians

list goes on

[hazy delta]

Make lib fun

not balanced

thx

[tacit pasture]

Fighting Cartel in Colombia was cool. What was that, 2023?

[hazy delta]

there you go

[royal elbow]

that campaign was peak

[tacit pasture]

The humble Fallujah mini campaign

[magic salmon]

Lib nam and see where we're at. Nam seems to either bring back players or take them away.

[quiet flicker]

the one from like september?

[zinc aurora]

it is telling you'll have a bunch of new people come every now and then and they all say the same things regarding dissatisfaction in lib

shrug_left

[tacit pasture]

nah it was may 2024

[quiet flicker]

I agree that setting up a more diverse rotation of maps/factions would be much more healthy for the game. Right now it's basically two different campaigns on a few maps.

[quiet flicker]

maybe that was a killkog then

[sinful sable]

yep

strangely armored cartel because rosomak

but still

[tacit pasture]

oh yeah the Rosomak haha

fuck that thing

[sinful sable]

that was my first map

we had the G36 and AK-74 adventures on a fun little fallujah before fallujah existed

[tacit pasture]

oh shit it was 22 not 23, longer ago than i thought

[sinful sable]

and I think that was the best lib campaign we ever did

[plucky forge]

Actually enforce SOPs so CAS isn't just wiping everything on their own and infantry have things to do

[teal grove]

Given the limitation of playing as America there isnt much ‘new’ things you could add, i do get the point though of there is nothing new.

The usa faction is the constant thing with lib, (just adding as i reply and read things). It is unlikely to change.

Changing enemies idk how time consuming ect that is so cannot comment on entirely. But i share the same thing of it would be interesting to see something different for us to fight.

Maps is maps you can always suggest them idk the limitations ect of them but i know if its not configured for lib it adds time and more workload onto people as you have to sit and build things from the ground up. (That is the limit of what i know regarding the maps tho)

[tacit pasture]

I endorse enforcing SOPs. When I did it people thought I was the next coming of pol pot

[quiet flicker]

A novel naily take that I have never seen before 😛

[quiet flicker]

We're about to have an iran campaign so maybe soon...

[bright bane]

reaper only server would have 100+ players

[teal grove]

We are ?

[tacit pasture]

Remove Reaper

[zinc aurora]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916109980615196692/1444229231503478944/TTTRUE.gif

[quiet flicker]

IRL. There are reports of ~50k US troops sent over there recently. (ETA: likely not all boots, just 50k personnel)

[royal elbow]

acktually the camapign cant be based on current events

[teal grove]

We also cant have campigns built on current events so…

[quiet flicker]

this isn't fuckin' r/askhistorians let's fuggin SEND IT

[sinful sable]

I would honestly love it if the russian enemy faction was expanded

Terminators, better T-80s, Su-35s, all the shit

[plucky forge]

SOPs are supposed to help keep things balanced and enhance the gameplay experience. SOPs haven't been getting enforced, so people have started to just not follow them, so the server balance and gameplay experience has degraded

[quiet flicker]

Just make it afghanistan and make it 2026 and give afghanistan drones and ICBMs. Solved.

[sinful sable]

Typhoons :D

[tacit pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

[granite pilot]

cant, no current conflifts remember?

[quiet flicker]

I agree, and I also think you are right for continuing to mention it daily because it is important for the health of the server, I was just giving you a hard time lol.

Your regular vocal complaints actually emboldened me to crack down on my demons getting too frisky and triggerhappy as a 1-8, which I hadn't previously been very good at doing because I was a new 1-8 so it was a little easier to bully me.

[sinful sable]

I mean, it would certainly add some spice

[quiet flicker]

afghanistan isn't current!

[sinful sable]

especially since we are clearly ruling out the idea of additional secondary factions to the US

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-project-sekai-empty-miku-nightcord-n25-gif-18144515840753142505

[quiet flicker]

We pulled out of afghanistan. Just make it afghanistan and give em drones and missiles!

[hazy delta]

We did that

rangerslop vs afghani with US older gear

and S300s 🤯

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-project-sekai-empty-miku-nightcord-n25-gif-18144515840753142505

[quiet flicker]

Make us land in venezuela

[sinful sable]

tbf it wasn't terrible either

I am just saying that I think we can try other stuff too

[zinc aurora]

I think removing reaper would just unironically solve some issues

[quiet flicker]

Can we do 93 Easting

or w/e the battle was called

[zinc aurora]

cause you need a lot of targets to justify reaper, but then they just screw over infantry

[quiet flicker]

I have more nam experience than modern, but from a nam perspective reaper is rare

[plucky forge]

Part of why I don't play 1-8 is having no real experience controlling aircraft from the ground and - more relevant here - knowing that they're going to hate how I control them.

"Reaper checking in"

"Cool. Here's a holding area 10km from the point and outside of LOS. I'll call you if I need you"

[sinful sable]

I mean, this is good in nam

just terrible for modern

[royal elbow]

how

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-drool-spongebob-dumb-gif-4187809058326875948

[sinful sable]

the solution is actually to just, as I said, remove that recon ability reaper usually gets

[quiet flicker]

Modern gets sensors so they can see from 10km, nam reaper is just flying blind circles with that

[sinful sable]

do I need to speak the name of the mod doing that for most firewill assets we use

for the 4th time

[teal grove]

Reaper in modern arguably can work 10km away from everything without issue

[rocky glen]

idk when the relationship of 1-8 to reaper went from supporting (the intended way you described) to the opposite happened but i think that heavily contributed to what we see now

[hazy delta]

reaper bad chat remove reaper

[royal elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1374432872450232393/1439972570588774491/togif.gif

[rocky glen]

also buzzword time

infantry focused server guys

[hazy delta]

buzzword

love my buzzwords

[rocky glen]

real

buzz buzz

[sinful sable]

but yeah, we do have a way of keeping reaper in check without removal imo

[plucky forge]

And if they ask for Type 3 on anything that doesn't absolutely need it, they go in the timeout box on ground alert

[teal grove]

Type 3 is never needed change my mind

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423714906452000828/1478522698110861443/caption.gif

[teal grove]

I swear basey has done this to someone

[zinc aurora]

also removing reaper would help the KOGFOR experience, just saying

[sinful sable]

I mean, I would too

[hazy delta]

😴

honk shoo

[rocky glen]

only during SEAD and CAP where a ground controller is pointless, but yes its very rare if it was properly used

[plucky forge]

I've heard a couple of 1-8s do it. Usually for pilots who won't communicate properly

[royal elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/ptsd-war-world-war-soldier-tank-gif-14061449787272226136

[hazy delta]

kog's not real

[teal grove]

For nam the demon is more of an issue from what ive heard

[royal elbow]

kogfor on modern

[sinful sable]

yeah for nam

[hazy delta]

cant hurt you

they odnt play on modern so

[tacit pasture]

KOGFOR when its time to play BLUFOR

[hazy delta]

💀

[sinful sable]

again, I just think we can make reaper on modern closer to reaper on nam

[rocky glen]

😭

[sinful sable]

where reaper isn't an issue

[teal grove]

Some do some dont hit or a miss

[royal elbow]

respectfully blufor just isnt fun

[hazy delta]

I know one kog guy who plays blufor his name kyle

[regal onyx]

Get this man a real

[hazy delta]

valid

lowkey

[rocky glen]

real

[teal grove]

Kyle is the primary advocate for others to play bluefor

[sinful sable]

and I think doing that is gonna go a long, long way towards solving the problem of CAS being too CAS-y

[tacit pasture]

I wouldn't play KOGFOR either I always hear negative shit at the end of restarts 😭

[hazy delta]

knockout zubau pls

[teal grove]

Reaper in nam vs modern is 2 different ballparks

[bright bane]

get captured incoming 10 screnshots in kc_content

[sinful sable]

yeah, and we can bridge that so they are closer together

[teal grove]

Not entirely your trying to bridge tech that can be used from 8km away to stuff that you almost always have to see what you shoot

[rocky glen]

trust me bro this time fixed wing in an (buzzword warning) infantry focussed server will work and not be overbearing

[sinful sable]

for one, I do think we can encourage more cooperation with the infantry by not having reaper lase their own shit too

and second, to actually remove their strong recon ability to encourage that first thing

[teal grove]

1-8 can do this infantry your kinda at a limit of things (sometimes people are dumb i neee to find the clip)

[hazy delta]

Hear me out chat, we play rangerslop vs Insurgents again but its fun and without S300s and no reaper and its (buzzword) infantry focused. We get to do cag GAFs and we get LOS CAS

[zinc aurora]

lowkey limit CAS to demon LOS

[hazy delta]

We have've done it bofer

[sinful sable]

meaning it's more CAS on the infantry's own terms when you do it like that

[royal elbow]

this would be too good for the server, try again

[tacit pasture]

Just keep it simple mate

[hazy delta]

it just needs ahem balanced

a bit

we have the factions and the maps

and the pbos

y'all see the vision now?

[rocky glen]

shit when did we do that last time when we had like a full server and no one complained...

[zinc aurora]

I also figure LOS stuff is a lot more engaging to pilots than point and click adventure from like 4km away

[teal grove]

Rangers vs insurgents but remove fixed wind cas ?

[regal onyx]

This is why low-key I think capturing is cringe

[teal grove]

Just trying to make sure im reading right

[hazy delta]

ok gimme a sec gotta take off this f18

[sinful sable]

yeah

[rocky glen]

can confirm

[regal onyx]

Need me to pause serber?

[zinc aurora]

just don't ask what happened to the last one

[hazy delta]

Ok done whats uop

[tacit pasture]

not outside the realm of possibility. We use Rangers with Abrams

among other odd things

[hazy delta]

Kinda

[tacit pasture]

Rangers starting on carriers

a classic

[hazy delta]

You;d have to balance out everything

[quiet flicker]

I would have made a great CAS pilot irl because I love looking at a white hot screen and watching things get obliterated. Itch scratcher for sure.

[sinful sable]

though again, I do understand why it's cool
I just kinda don't like demon for what it's worth because it is too reliant on having a 2nd person

[teal grove]

I disnt mean it as a impossibility more i wanted to make sure im understanding

[hazy delta]

So you can do rangers against ISIS but with some american gear i gues

so lik pattons and shi

but

No S300s

[tacit pasture]

notional air superiority type shi

[hazy delta]

no Red air

and

[rocky glen]

idk if im weird but second person makes it so much more fun its borderline miserable being up there by yourself

[zinc aurora]

or go back to GWOT and stuff

[hazy delta]

for us

for us no Reaper

[sinful sable]

yeah but also like, depends IF you can get a 2nd

[tacit pasture]

The perfect middle ground

[hazy delta]

because its lame

[teal grove]

I want gwot a lot

[sinful sable]

I have horrible memories regarding that.

[hazy delta]

and its infantry focused

[teal grove]

GWOT IS IMO PERFECT

[hazy delta]

and we do GAFs

and use butcher

and some LOS CAS

[sinful sable]

GWOT with the Dragon III

and im sold

[hazy delta]

and maybe a super expensive apache

or some shit

ok thats all

[tacit pasture]

Or just late cold war in general so we get more terrain options

[teal grove]

GAF SUCKS

[zinc aurora]

GWOT is good cause tyou can "realisticly" limit capabilities

[sinful sable]

like listen, I am a sucker for man-portable ATGMs

and just man-portable launchers in general

[zinc aurora]

i've been asking for late cold war litteraly for the past 2 years 😭

[tacit pasture]

Turn our supply system into our higher command passively generating favours from other branches which are super hard to get

[hazy delta]

Speaking of

We get

[quiet flicker]

Can someone enlighten me as to the initialism that is GAF? I don't feel like googling. Wrong answers only

I guess it's an acronym

[tacit pasture]

GAFs are cool and intidimidating. Better than lame landing in helis

[hazy delta]

lore accurate vics and guns

btw

so no fucking

rangers on a carrier with LAVs

and AH1Zs and all that shi

[teal grove]

If rather fucking walk (kog hate gaf)

[tacit pasture]

idk how you guys are doing them cuz sometimes we GAF and its always good fun

[sinful sable]

also the best part about GWOT and Iraq and afghanistan

[plucky forge]

Not just Nam. They've been an issue for the last few maps

[rocky glen]

i miss gafing in fallujah

[quiet flicker]

Generation Kill campaign when

[sinful sable]

we can naturally integrate some allied countries a little :D

Polska gurom

[rocky glen]

and watching butcher get swiss cheesed by a rpg

[plucky forge]

The last Florida map is where they really started with their "defence of airframe" stuff while baiting EI to shoot them

[hazy delta]

Real

[sinful sable]

again, we have a LOT of things we can try for cold war and GWOT

[hazy delta]

GAF is just fun

if done properly

[sinful sable]

my personal favourites would be, again, shit like the Dragon III

[teal grove]

I dislike GAF I enjoy the patrolling into the objectives more.

[tacit pasture]

You gotta be bold with it. Can't just herringbone near a forest and call it a day

[hazy delta]

Yeah

[sinful sable]

or maybe we can have SRAWs

[hazy delta]

But again if jamsheed will kill you from 1000m +

then

cant do much

ahem usually on lib

thats what happens

[tacit pasture]

Wait until you spearhead straight into a village with a clearance patrol and warrior holy moly. Then blasting the HVT cuz he was on a 50 cal

[rocky glen]

Virgin VDO vs Chad "drive it into the point"

[hazy delta]

My specialty

[zinc aurora]

i mean none of this discussion on lib really matters because I've never seen any change resulting from a discussion like this

[tacit pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flightreacts-heat-cheque-jordan-shoe-car-gif-3347974957334073454

[royal elbow]

facts

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/folk-druski-sona-instagram-instagram-meme-gif-18271404859547050805

[hazy delta]

mhm

[quiet flicker]

I was part of a GAF one time on an operation where we were supposed to capture an HVT in a castle to stop a nuclear submarine from launching missiles or some shit.

I was FTL and my SL was a lil prick and we basically ran the vics all the way into the point and immediately mascas'd to two bmps that rolled up behind us