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[lofty fjord]

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[abstract mason]

If you ain’t being a silly guy you wrong

[plucky forge]

@cloud slate I think basing it off player count would be more effective balance-wise and cracking down on the misuse of type 3 would always help

[cloud slate]

I agree; I cannot see how it could be enforced successfully. I admit my plan could lead to an exploit of all four 1-8's being online. Allowing for 3 Reapers and a Demon to be on when the platoon might only be 4 rifles and a medic.

Currently the only restriction we can base it on. Is the restrictions for KOG (50+ BluFor players can allow a team of 4+ RedFor KOG Players). Which in the past they have been really good about ensuring the requirments are met. I cannot think of a time where a KOG played with less players on the server.

[plucky forge]

I can see that happening too

Basing it off player count is a simple and straightforward way to try to handle it that you can't really argue your way out of.

Last couple of maps have had a spree of Demon pilots flying recklessly close to EI, then claiming defence of their airframe to justify striking them without explicit clearance (which I am pretty confident is against SOPs in multiple ways). So I would want to have something that is very clearly black-and-white that someone can't try to word salad their way out of.

[sinful sable]

yeah that bit is very stupid

I don't see how they can claim self-defense against anything that's not radar AAA

i don't use self-defense as an argument unless it's a dogfight (or when a SAM spawns under me, which has happened times enough)

[cloud slate]

It's how we lost an A-10 and a few LOS Demons this campaign.

[sinful sable]

yeah, that bit is really dumb why do people do that

[lofty fjord]

I have to say, having a campaign with Demon and such restricted would put a heavier emphasis on infantry and mechanized inf

I personally think that's a part of why Vietnam is so fun to play as well

[sinful sable]

I mean, they weren't restricted

they were more like one of your few options to try and kill the PT-76s and T-55s

[bold harness]

Demon wasn’t restricted in nam . Nam was fun for both the air side and the ground side due to multiple reasons. It was difficult to actually pid and to locate ei through the tree tops as demon and ei actually used to flank ALOT around friendlies and most engagements with ei as ground infantry was close

[hazy delta]

oh god bunker's joining in on this convo

[regal onyx]

Im a big fan of actually supporting inf in an asset and not just killing everything you see

Sometimes you just gotta aura farm

[hazy delta]

Real

[bold harness]

Also demon and reaper were afraid of friendly firing due to mixed in enemy and friendlies and they had to communicate ALOT with the active 1-8 to get proper fire missions going avoid civilian collateral damage and avoid friendly fire . For example Jake,cosmic and i accidentally friendly fired before due to improper communication with the 1-8 as the jtac forgot to mention that friendlies were mixed in with the enemies and improper smoke placement by the jtac

[bold harness]

That too

[bold harness]

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Plus demon actually has other targets they need to eliminate that are more important than ground infantry take AAA for example @regal onyx and i were running a hunter team in the cobra and lil bird and we were hunting AAA enemy field guns,and hmgs

[hazy delta]

remove reaper

[bold harness]

Remove reaper

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[regal onyx]

Dude bot and I wild weaseling a ZPU-4 so you guys could kill it was straight out of a movie lmao

[bold harness]

Demon nam is the most fun

Yelling “you suck” at the zu that is lighting you up while jake screams in the gunner seat is a blast

[bold harness]

I remember we almost hit u with a hydra rocket

[hazy delta]

Kc air's finest guys^

[bold harness]

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[hazy delta]

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[bold harness]

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[plucky forge]

It's part of why Fallujah was such a great campaign. Rotary CAS only with most of the map being restricted since it was urban

[zinc aurora]

me when docatrine accurate hunter killer

[cloud slate]

I could probably get behind this.

If it meant more Goblin, Butcher, and Savage.

[cobalt frigate]

Remove reaper, restrict demon to 1 heli, everyone plays infantry - golden era 60pop per restart is back

[magic salmon]

So is it just me that loves being on the ground and seeing CAS? Even better when I hear a 1-8 call a 9-Line

[sinful sable]

I mean, I disagree with the notion to remove reaper, especially because multi-crew demon assets are really not it at times, the flexibility of being reaper in a single-seat is very underappreciated

[gray python]

Reaper's power is soley dependent on what 8 allows them to strike. If 8 and the rest of current command at the time decide that reaper is doing too much, just... restrict them more

[sinful sable]

ofc, that too

but I really do think that the overall fluidity of single-seat is underappreciated severely, too

multi-crew air assets are very prone to bugs

especially when it comes to rearmament

[gray python]

it seems silly to me to suggest limiting or even removing an entire role, when the tools to solve asset over reach already exist

[crimson briar]

whos got the “holy yapsoc” gif

[plucky forge]

and 1-8's frequently give them over reaching clearances over the AO with no regard for how it impacts the game play for everyone else.

[regal onyx]

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[gray python]

Ok so that's a 1-8 issue not a reaper issue

Reapers get blanket clearance far too often

I can agree

but that's not on the reapers

[crimson briar]

thanks CIO

[regal onyx]

No problem, I shall not say your name

[crimson briar]

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[plucky forge]

An issue that would be less significant if CAS was not being overslotted as often as it is, which is the main issue.

Having a full CAS stack with only one squad on the ground should never happen, but happens frequently.

[bold harness]

Respectfully dual seat is always better:

1. you can orbit like an ac130 and literally sling apkws off while in orbit and not move a single inch
2. You can split communications for example pilot can handle 80 rear set can handle 81 or fire coordination
3. Rear seat can use his tgp to properly identify air targets and track them
4. The f-15E is not buggy i have used it with jake multiple times and have had very small amounts of bugs that were easily fixable
5. Dual seaters are always goos for cap makes it way easier @rocky glen and i have multiple encounters and had multiple scrambles

Additionally, respectfully just cause u can’t use teamwork and use proper communication and coordination doesnt mean that dual seaters are bad

[cloud slate]

This was addressed in its own suggestion.

Lazy 1-8's give type 3 to multiple airframes and turn themselves into riflemen.

[sinful sable]

It's better until your weapons rearm to the wrong seat or you can't even get a 2nd person after waiting 4 hours. The only assets that don't do this rearming bug (alongside other stuff like targeting pods that won't move after zooming in) are the Apache and the DAP, and it sounds silly to just restrict ourselves to these two for the dual seat experience

[visual trail]

Aren't the APKWS like OP as shit and can 2 shot tanks?

[sinful sable]

depends on the APKWS

it's also why one of my solutions for preventing airspam is to make loadouts with fewer more interesting weapons

even if it's spammed, that doesn't mean infantry don't get to do anything

since I truly don't get why we need to remove air slots just because they are overslotted

that's an issue of other roles not being as appealing, not an air issue

[bold harness]

Switching weaponry to the back seat or the front seat isn’t really that huge of a problem

[bold harness]

Yes and air targets

[sinful sable]

it can be, and it certainly shouldn't happen

ironically enough giving more FnF stuff to some of their two-seaters as a compensation for requiring two whole people would partially fix the issue itself since technically anyone can lock

[bold harness]

Explain to me how it can be

[sinful sable]

LG weapons may not guide correctly to your laser if you can't lock it

thankfully I think the little bird mod fixes this?

by giving the pilot their own laser and TGP

which also thankfully fixes the issue of making two-seaters very restrictive towards downgrading them for single-seater use

but yeah, any individual bug may not be impacting, but there are a fair number of them

(poor tomcat CPGs when they literally could not get out of their seat without dying)

[bold harness]

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[visual trail]

Damn, perhaps that shouldn't be a thing if your trying to balance aircraft a bit

[sinful sable]

which part

[visual trail]

APKWS

[sinful sable]

no no

like, the kills on tanks or their ability to shoot down slow planes

[visual trail]

Tanks

[bold harness]

Yuh and thats why we went from having 19 apks on f15 to 7

[sinful sable]

ehhhh, that can be fixed, technically

in two ways

since APKWS HEAT also one-shots entire infantry squads

so it can either use HE to remove the ability to tap tanks in one or two hits, or MPP to remove the ability to annihilate infantry squads

[bold harness]

With that i do agree with u and that is what was done in a previous campaign don’t remember the name but yuh

It took about 8 apks to kill a singular armor piece

[sinful sable]

that is actually the treatment the RFA got, in the opposite direction

it has 38 MPP APKWS

...whether it needs them at all is a different question but it does

using APKWS HEAT was always a mistake because it both did way too much, basically destroyed all variety, and also was very lengthy to reload and often got other reapers in over their heads

[regal onyx]

Remove reaper

[hazy delta]

Remove reaper

[rocky glen]

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[obsidian kestrel]

dont expect CAS when ya overrun or push like mad by armour then

Honestly, with the way the game is having a reaper helps low pop by doing CAP, CAS, SEAD and ISR. Whereas if u get other ground thatll be Shadow, Savage, Demon. Its literally one of the best multirole role in KC if u ask me

add Harpy to the list

Main issue with Inf with ground is the lack of adequate AT as well as the logi supporting it. If u die with a AT with ya, its gone till half an hour later when ogre/SL can refill it

[sinful sable]

another reason as to why I want better infantry factions like the French to appear too

[obsidian kestrel]

Also, u dont get a savage for danger close fm when u have a more accurate reaper right

[sinful sable]

we can seriously use more good mid-range AT weapons

ideally ones with SACLOS

[obsidian kestrel]

Plus, when there's only 1 1-8 and having to deal with Stalker, Demon, Reaper and Shadow. You kinda give priority to the more effective asset with is reaper unfortunately. Cause if your target moves, ya round ain doin nothin

Like Phantom rn, the only main reason to play them is for the sniping part. They are honestly redundant with the current gameplay loop. ISR is already done by Shadow and Reaper. Also with them constantly mass cas due to a random EI squad pulling troops away from the AO, it unnessasry divert resources away from the attack

Shade is limited to one - two player gameplay.

one shade, only within 4Km of FOB. Easy and simple assest when OBJ close

two shade, can push out but require another like minded player to come and help. Plus one shade shoots, another reload. And thats about it. its kinda boring after a while, unless ya really into the boring part then thats fine. But for those who seek action, its boing

Banshee is a useful forward 1-9 when you need advance medical at multiple highrisk places that poses a threat to 1-9

Ogre, honestly the g for Lib but not many can/will play them unless they really into supporting

[gray python]

phantom would be a lot better if they were a 5 man squad and we just pulled viper into modern.

[obsidian kestrel]

How so? How would that change/affect the gameplay loop

[plucky forge]

Or if they actually did recon instead of over extending and getting into contact

[gray python]

There's no reason for phantom to exist as a recon unit when shadow exists

or reaper

They can provide infinitely more recon than a phantom squad could ever hope to provide

Shadow especially. it requires no investment to get essentially full vision on any point. We don't do enough fully forested maps like any nam map for shadow to have no sight lines.

[sinful sable]

see, I wish phantom was more like force recon

and got access to heavier firepower recon vehicles

[gray python]

Phantom essentially exists as a larp squad at the moment to flank, because their primary purpose is better done by other elements

[sinful sable]

like, it makes sense too

you got your combat recon and then your snipers

phantom can lose the snipers (DMR only), and be combat recon with combat recon vehicles while viper are actual snipers

[gray python]

I think reinforcing their flanking potential with more members and making viper a modern element would allow far more flexibility an infantry game play than currently situated.

Because at the moment their recon purpose doesn't exist

viper could act as a force multiplier to existing line squads or the new 5 man phantom team in modern to strike reinforced positions like bunkers or emplacements.

phantom is in a role that is already better filled by shadow

And I think shifting phantom away from recon is a better direction for the asset

[sinful sable]

like, some form of scout cars for phantom or combat recce vehicle

the M1117 would do lovely here

[gray python]

but that's just my thoughts.

I simply can't see a realm in which phantom can actually do recon better than what a normal line squad could provide.

And if thats the case, than there's no reason for them to be primarily recon focused

[visual trail]

during vietnam, phantom was sometimes very effective at setting up blocking positions, covering flanks, etc

but adding more people to phantom is entirely pointless when pop is so small

[teal grove]

Phantom can provide recon capabilities. Like the difference between a full 10 man squad and a 3 man team and the different capabilities of each. With the smaller group you are less likely to sustain contact, but the trade off is having the ability to manouver faster and that you wont draw as much attention. Depending on the map shadow ect will likely be better for that recon aspect but there is stuff they miss from time to time.

[obsidian kestrel]

But if u give Phantom too much space, then u get the same issue if lesser inf player

So end if the day, regular Inf can only do so much before people play ither specialised roles and contribute to the low pop issue

[teal grove]

I think a 3 man inf team can do more than a 3 man sniper/recon team in modern lib but thats just me (Can take more of a mix of weapons and have a medic with them ect)

[bold harness]

Remove reaper (demon supremacy do sead with apache)

[visual trail]

get phantom to do sead

[zinc aurora]

unironically that'd be pretty cag

idk how that'd work with procs tho

[regal onyx]

I summon battalion of PLA

[zinc aurora]

type shit

[cloud slate]

Driving right into the point and wondering why their cover is blown.

[visual trail]

Cover is just a myth

The only "cover" you need is the fallen bodied of the enemy

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

It was previously discussed that the Engineer version will be for Goblin and the Transport for Ogre.

The rumor mill has been crazy, but it was right about the M50 becoming a butcher asset.

[gray python]

edited my suggestion from only being for modern phantom, to include nam phantom as well.

Since scuba gear was also used during nam

[plucky forge]

Just give all of the 1-8's radios or designate 1-8 RTO slots

[cloud slate]

Nam phantom makes more sense then modern.

[cloud slate]

Goblin version with the MICLIC was misbehaving in testing.

Other two are confirmed in the build list.

[cloud oracle]

LVTE will unfortunately probably go due to it misbehaving with another mod (it works with just ACE/Unsung/Prairie Fire)

LVTP is for anyone as it stands

It can seat 42 people so that plus 2x M113 can transport the all squads + HQ + every attachment

It's nuts

[umbral raft]

LVTE is kinda wild that thing shoots out mines and has the ability to clear stuff

[zinc aurora]

technically HQ RTOs are supposed to be for this afaik, but usually there's only one and it goes to 1-6

so I agree with this suggestion

[regal onyx]

@brisk gull me blowing up the airfield by accident when we were testing 💀

[hazy delta]

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[brisk gull]

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[bold harness]

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[sinful sable]

@plucky forge yeah the last time we tried giving stalker the ogre treatment for builders it did not go well

[plucky forge]

Forgot we did that

Still should try to get the increased crate limit

[sinful sable]

oh yeah we should

[plucky forge]

Date and weather settings can be changed to have clear skies with full moon, but I also think 0 illum overcast with heavy rain would be funny (maybe some fog as well)

[gray python]

The nights are already pretty short. I don't think they need to be shorter

they're at most like an hour

or maybe a bit more

[plucky forge]

45 minutes or so was my guess

[gray python]

yeah

something close

and if im correct, that's already shorter than it was in the past.

[plucky forge]

Weather has been pretty good, considering the location. Just random illumination with mostly clear skies

I vote for adding typhoons

[gray python]

if anything im a bit disapointed we haven't had more severe weather conditons. I want lightning strikes randomly illuminating for a couple seconds at a time

[plucky forge]

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[plucky forge]

||This would give Odins plausible deniability to randomly smite people||

[granite cape]

RIP Richy, they say he was the brightest among us; and for a breif moment in time, he was.

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

All of my Line level kits are public

[plucky forge]

Pretty sure FOB attacks can still happen, they're just not common

[edgy raptor]

They are normally admin driven. The odd one stems from a BG passing by the fob on the way to another point.

[bold harness]

@tardy kestrel it is fun last nam campaign we had like f4s with cap coverage and we had pt-76s pushing fob and kog boys on and we were getting over run it was fun

[tardy kestrel]

Then I was in germany so i didn't know that.

[sharp charm]

I always try and make my kits public as well. Dont have many this round made up but still put them out there

[rocky glen]

#1124647926199758899 message @bold harness True, like they should know where we're coming from after being there for a week or so

[bold harness]

real i just wanna have fun and if we defend it we get more supplies and benefits and stuff

[hazy delta]

fun

and fob attacks

cool man

🙏

😭

[bold harness]

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[rocky glen]

Reaal

Attacking points is fun but defense is underrated

[bold harness]

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[visual trail]

idk, defending an entire fob with 10 people sounds painful lol

[abstract mason]

I want us to sit more at night & have to defend whatever ground we are on…

A night fight where we are defending sound like alot of fun, set out LPs/OPs, spread out yon machine guns, pre designate fire & illum missions etc

[zinc aurora]

i mean this is about admin led FOB attacks

make it a whole event/OP and it's fun with most of the server on

[visual trail]

Yh definetely

[bold harness]

Remember last nam map when we had a fob attack and fires 345 rounds of he from shade

[plucky forge]

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[bold harness]

Tooob

[plucky forge]

never enough toob

[bold harness]

Real

[abstract mason]

Yeh that was fun, we were throwing shells 200 meters and just praying

[bold harness]

real

[cloud slate]

Can we trade the C-47 flareship for a C-119 (Cargo)?

The C-47 flareship is rarely used and moving supplies from Bravo to Karma is a tad bit annoying.

[plucky forge]

Should be able to just buy one at this point

[cloud slate]

They gave us two free planes so we have been behind on hangers.

Honestly I will buy a cargo if they can just get rid of the C-47.

[plucky forge]

@magic salmon

There was a string of people without perms being dumb with the door guns so they got restricted to Stalker crew slots, and by extension Stalker perms, only. I don't think expanding it to include SL's / Leadership would be viable with how I understand the vehicle whitelist system to work (being based on the player's slotted unit [IE - squad] so everyone in different asset 'squads' have access to their vehicles, regardless of which specific slot they're in)

[magic salmon]

That makes sense. I figured the general player base having them would lead to many a catastrophes. Just didn’t understand why it had to be stalker only. But if it’s a game/script limitation then it’s all good.

[plucky forge]

It could be different. Basing it off of player squad is the most straightforward and reliable way that I know of to implement the current type of vehicle whitelisting.

[visual trail]

Swear it was also because they couldn't differentiate between gunner and pilot seats so if everyone could get in the gun, they could all get into the pilot seat

[royal elbow]

some real shit you said @ebon badge

[sinful sable]

pfft

no

[ebon badge]

Let's see what the overlords say

[sinful sable]

there's like, so many things wrong with this

[royal elbow]

when’s the last time you played infantry for more than a few minutes?

[sinful sable]

...I have been playing phantom for literally all of nam so far except once when we had the F-100

whenever I've been able to get on

[hazy delta]

Honestly

not the worst suggestion

I saw remove reaper

[sinful sable]

forget the reaper part, we are just kinda ignoring some solutions to remedy that issue related to modern because on nam, reaper is completely fine but that's par for the course for the CAS haters ig

the phantom one is what makes my blood boil here

[ebon badge]

What purpose is phantom?

[royal elbow]

a line squad can do the exact same thing phantom does with less cool gear

[sinful sable]

it's a very fun flanking oriented alternative to the grunts with cooler shit

fuck the grunts tbh

[hazy delta]

For nam* i'd keep fantum and viper for the sole reason that they're fun

💀

[ebon badge]

And that's the reason it needs to be removed.

[sinful sable]

nah

[royal elbow]

this is like the only sound argument

it is fun

[royal elbow]

this is the entire problem with the sever now

[raven sable]

Idk why this server hates fixed wing so much, helicopter gunships like the Apache or Cobra are the real balancing issue everywhere else. Imo modern phantom isn't as much of an issue if played as a sniper team instead of whatever they're supposed to be in nam

[sinful sable]

like, phantom is such good fun to have, why take it away for the infinetely more boring option with the most generic gear possible

[sinful sable]

reaper in modern is a problem

and I have a fairly elegant solution to that if the big bois wanna hear me out

[hazy delta]

Yeahh remove reaper in modern

Its so ahh

[raven sable]

But I do agree with most other points

[hazy delta]

only brings issues lmao

[sinful sable]

...reaper in nam or any era without targeting pods with both thermals and laser is completely fine

(but particularly in nam, it's fine)

[hazy delta]

I heavily disagree with the butcher slots tho

[sinful sable]

I mean, also that

[hazy delta]

just add the rule back for butch where they have to be attached

toa a line squad

[raven sable]

How is it any worse than an Apache with the same camera and a gimbal turret tho, when you make OPs the problem asset is always heli gunships

[hazy delta]

instead of them sitting on a hill 5 morbillion km away

[regal onyx]

sitting on a hill is bitch made, be in the fight

[hazy delta]

literally dude

is so lame

[ebon badge]

We have 5 teams and at most 2 ever get filled unless an event happens

[sinful sable]

also I don't see a reason for removing phantom

viper, maybe if you wanna add DMRs to line squads

Phantom is perfectly fine and is far more fun than the line squads while offering some variation instead of 'everyone being a lookalike with the M4 again'

[hazy delta]

5 is too much i'd go with 4

and run an actual armored platoon

[ebon badge]

2 is fine. One for each platoon.

[sinful sable]

phantom in nam is how phantom in modern should be

[raven sable]

Fixed wing is just an easy scapegoat for this as they are expensive and will always be controversial

[raven sable]

No lol the whole issue is phantom off doing shit they shouldn't be, it being a full squad just encourages that

[hazy delta]

Perm fantum to KT only and make it 6 squad, I mean what (this is a joke dont even start)

[sinful sable]

yeah it's force reconnaissance

[raven sable]

When was the last time they gave any recon tho

[royal elbow]

KOG OVER HERE!!

[sinful sable]

see, this is where I would like to make the change with shadow

phantom used to have drones

[raven sable]

90% of map marks I see come from air assets or line squads

[sinful sable]

and actually do recon alongside their stuff

[plucky forge]

Just going to do cliff notes because there's a lot to unpack

1. I would agree with having Phantom and Viper merged to just handle recon. Goblin should remain it's own unit as combat engineers since they can run dedicated assets and would need to idealy run independently for route clearance
2. See #1 - Goblin should remain as is. Entrenching tools should be sufficient for a line squad.
3. I could see 1-4 getting a small 60mm, but the heavier mortars should stay as a dedicated unit.
4. Reaper serves a purpose in modern with CAP/SEAD, but I would agree that it is overused. I would not go so far as to say removing it entirely is a good idea.
5. Similar to goblin, especially when Harpy starts employing dedicated ADA assets
6. We rarely have the player count to fill one platoon. Adding a second would needlessly divide the command structure. Having two platoons acting independently would also significantly degrade server performance with two AO's going at once.
7. Disagree. Similar reasons to Harpy and Goblin.
8. Rarely see all butchers filled, so I don't see the reason to remove slots.

[raven sable]

Phantom just tries to solo everything and dies

[royal elbow]

keep phantom so i can have suppressed m4 when i play opfor

[sinful sable]

like, in modern I would really love to see phantom use silenced MP5s and stuff too

[royal elbow]

yeah that’s what got phantom removed last time

the DA shit

[sinful sable]

like, I kinda view it as this
giving phantom long-range weapons just encourages direct action instead of personal defense during recon

[hazy delta]

For the whole harpy/reaper shit, if we remove reaper, SAMs and FW Red air... i see on issue with removing harpy and 4 having 3 stingers lowkey

fantum in modern is irelevant

[ebon badge]

Stingers back to 1-6 crate. Let them choose who gets it

[regal onyx]

modern fantum be like:
exists, dies

[hazy delta]

sure

modern has become very stale and boring imo

so

[ebon badge]

Nam is the exact same qay

[hazy delta]

im down for any decent changes

[sinful sable]

aw cmon, just gotta get the right phantom

we had fun slaughtering all the patrols

[hazy delta]

I disagree but it doesnt matter.. nothing will get changed before the nam campaign is over

[sinful sable]

granted, we kinda got baited by the platoon into all the enemy patrols

but nonetheless

[raven sable]

Bro that's the whole issue, why is "recon" slaughtering anything

[ebon badge]

Blud I've heard phantom mascas more then I heard 1-1. Come on now. We all seen the clips

[sinful sable]

afaik it's generally unintentional

especially in nam

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-blood-skeleton-dead-skull-gif-12380785053027811523

[raven sable]

The issue on modern is people play it like they would on nam instead of being more like viper

[sinful sable]

where sightlines are very short and so you frequently end up running into what you were trying to avoid

[raven sable]

Also phantom still gets mascased on nam they just don't say it on LR

[regal onyx]

then frankly it should be viper if it should be played that way

[bright bane]

Remove everything go back to the basic rock sticks wood

[sinful sable]

(or sometimes the platoon will just make the patrols run into you because someone they ended up bypassing said patrols)

[raven sable]

On modern its sniper,spotter and security that is viper in all but name

[royal elbow]

viper is useful in nam tbh phantom isn’t

[plucky forge]

Also same with modern... Can't declare masscas if there is nobody left to declare it

[regal onyx]

remove that map, too much bloat. we play on VR only

[sinful sable]

but yeah

1. Reaper on modern has more elegant solutions for fixes
2. Phantom should be given it's drone back but no rifles just silenced PDW to encourage some forward recon before pushing (also remove Shadow that role is a crime to what things were like before)

I don't mind the rest

[raven sable]

They shouldn't be pushing bro that's the whole issue

[ebon badge]

@plucky forge the second platoon wouldn't operate out of different ao, just work in conjunction in the current one. We learned our lesson when we had 3plts in first Australia

[sinful sable]

I disagree here, we shouldn't just have people hold back when they can do something more interesting as long as they are fulfilling their primary job

[raven sable]

What if their job involves not being in close contact

Should I be CQB shadow?

[sinful sable]

why shouldn't phantom be allowed to occasionally be in close contact

it'd be worse when you give phantom snipers and just let them shoot

roles that shouldn't be in contact are the roles that are exclusively non-combat

[raven sable]

Because their Scouts not SEAL team 6

[plucky forge]

I only see having a 1-6 and 2-6 active at once being a recipe for butting heads and arguments without a 6-6 in charge of both of them and we really dont have consistently high enouhg player counts to justify it in my opinion

[raven sable]

1-6,7,8 and 9 are roles that shouldnt be pushing but should still be somewhat involved in firefights

[sinful sable]

scouts is very vague in terms of what they can do and the capabilities they can provide

[ebon badge]

It was more an issue for logistics. With the PLT nets they were fine. 30 only got chaotic when logistics broke down.

[plucky forge]

That would be 6-6's job to manage

[raven sable]

Me explaining to my team mates on WARNO why I don't have and scouts left

[ebon badge]

Exactly. Made that role useful, but made being orge so much more fun. Also we didn't have stalker able to pull crates, so logistics with a second platoon would be a lot more easy to manage

[sinful sable]

not my problem you can't conserve your own recon units, they're still somewhat adept at fighting

anyway, the implication that phantom should be non-combat also rubs me the wrong way because it implies a very terrible idea

that unless you are the most basic bitch grunt, you shouldn't be taking contact or something

again, we are just trying to remove avenues of fun

[raven sable]

They should be non combat but shouldn't be pushing, they should scout and obj, take out HVTs and move to the next obj while inf takes the point

[plucky forge]

I'm not tracking how having a second platoon command structure would assist in this outside of having a 2-6 crate available.

[hazy delta]

we talking modern fantum?

i got lost in the yapsoc

[raven sable]

Both tbh but mainly modern

[hazy delta]

for modern just remove it

lmao

its useless

nobody does recon because there's no point

thats why you see it played as cag sigma goon oda cqb seal team 6

[plucky forge]

also dropping 8 suggestions at once is gonna mess up the chat since people are trying to discuss three different things from the same post

[regal onyx]

i mean you really can't tbh

[hazy delta]

Exactly

there's no point

[raven sable]

Arguably more useless on nam tho basically just a smaller line squad that thinks they're better than they are

[sinful sable]

like, I enjoy nam phantom because it allows me to approach combat from a different viewpoint than the average grunt with an average rifle

[hazy delta]

I disagree

lmao

fantum on modern is obsolete

because of shadow

in nam they could do recon

[raven sable]

They just don't lol

[sinful sable]

funny how I suggested removing shadow as a role and giving phantom their drone back

[hazy delta]

nah

shadow is chill

[regal onyx]

also don't line get dmr's in modern now? i haven't been on in a while

[hazy delta]

they do

they literally do

lmmao

again no point

just remove the role

[regal onyx]

so whats the fucking point lol

[hazy delta]

Yep

ikr

crazy

ong

[sinful sable]

phantom as they are on modern is pretty useless

[hazy delta]

mhm thats what im saying mhm

[sinful sable]

I'd rather see them reworked though.

[hazy delta]

You cant

rework them

lmao

[sharp charm]

I do not agree with 1-9 being in firefights at all unless the ccp was over run. 1-6 and 8 should be close to front lines to have SA but should also avoid direct fighting when they can. Just so 2 important lines of command do not get killed. You lose both 1-6 and 1-8 then many assets have to go on standby or RTB. 1-7 is about the only command element I would green light for frontline fighting. However if the 1-6 leaves then 1-7 should pull back and posture like 1-6.

[hazy delta]

Also to add

phantom isnt even fun in modern

its pretty ahh

[ebon badge]

Stalker can pull a resupply crate, something we didn't have when we had 3 plts. It's helps more than you think

[sinful sable]

again, my biggest issue in modern is like

...we all get M4s

we are basically FULL of them and don't even dare have anything else

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/really-bruh-blink-blank-face-gif-9334898104617218757

[plucky forge]

That's a stalker thing. You're suggestion, as I'm understanding it, was to add a second platoon to aid in logistics and I'm not seeing how it would.

[rocky glen]

preeeach following infantry is so fun

[raven sable]

I don't mean they should be shooting but they should at least be close enough to the fight to help out should the need arise, 9 shouldn't be tip of the spear but also shouldn't be miles away

[plucky forge]

over-pressures half of 1-1 with the main cannon

[raven sable]

Unless they have a Vic that is

[hazy delta]

Honestly I had sooo much fun, rangerslop with crows mk19 strykers, carrying a full inf squad then supporting them

[regal onyx]

reaaaaal
(for the record, every time we were going to fire the cannon during this i turned out and screamed overpressure to warn everyone to move first)

[rocky glen]

Simply a skill issue
But fr even as an infantrybozo seeing a Bradley or Abrams rock up and save your life is amazing

[hazy delta]

Truly a skill issue

[cloud slate]

#1124647926199758899 message

Hot takes all around

[rocky glen]

Crows mk19 genuinely devastating

[visual trail]

the best time i had as 1-6 was being on the frontline leading an assault

[rocky glen]

Rip my homie the crows mk19 humvee

[plucky forge]

Interesting

[hazy delta]

I knew that was coming

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/apocalypse-now-coppola-robert-duvall-duvall-colonel-kilgore-gif-21519376

callum be like

[visual trail]

same with 1-9 (minus the leading an assault), its also where i was able to save the most people since i wasnt having to sprint from 500m away to get to someone who is either fine or already dead by the time i get there

[rocky glen]

The receipts are crazy

[visual trail]

i didnt intend to, told people to do it, they said only if you do it so i booked it across

never died

[cloud slate]

Kinda not your job

[sinful sable]

again, I just think trying to have more people be non-combat than we already do is a terrible idea

let us experience the assault from our own angles

[raven sable]

The rules for 9 don't really seem to factor that people die when they get shot and can't be saved 10 mins after they are down

[visual trail]

as platoon leader, it is infact my job to lead the platoon

fuck

[sinful sable]

not every man an M4 fighting the exact same way

[visual trail]

wait

wrong thing

ignore that

lmao

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1476667191272149053/caption.gif

Callum rn

[sinful sable]

my kinda way, eh

[ebon badge]

No my suggestion was to have a second platoon. Never said they would be used for logistics. Only that logistics got bogged down because of extra demand because we only had ogre to really pull crates. The issue for crates is now not an issue because we have support roles now that can pull their own crates and we can use those crates for general resupply.

[raven sable]

It's not like we are flying them back to Ramstien for 3 months recovery in hospital

[visual trail]

theres no point to me carrying loads of medical supplies if im just going to goon in the corner waiting for someone with a little ouchy

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306299449173086278/1455747155141853255/attachment.gif

[sinful sable]

someone's gotta kick em doors down you know.

[hazy delta]

chat what we need is more ways to hunt kogfor actually

[rocky glen]

real

[sharp charm]

The loads of medical supplies is not for you to use like a super doctor. You do get to use them though but that is so line medics can come to you and resupply.

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[plucky forge]

So what issue would adding a second platoon solve. We don't really have the player counts to justify two full platoons outside of big events, so I'm not seeing the need to add a second command structure.

[hazy delta]

For real tho, what we need is uhhhh inf being more fun

[rocky glen]

yeah we barely fill a platoon rn 💀

[visual trail]

ah well, i used them and saved a bunch of people quickly

[sinful sable]

yep

[cloud slate]

I don't carry the 1-9 crate for that reason.

The crate is to resupply the platoon medics (stays with the platoon resupp) and ensure they have the tools they need to succeed. Normally IO's and TXA.

1-9 is to provide a higher level of care. Assist what the line medic cannot. In modern this is the Defib and strecher; In Nam its just the strecher.

[sinful sable]

cooler infantry that feels more than just the very basics

[hazy delta]

not even

i dont care if we're basic bitch army

just for it to be more fun

[visual trail]

we could easily just add more supporting roles and assets to offset this, trust

[hazy delta]

not meat grinder sim

😭

fallujah is the example of that (fun inf)

[rocky glen]

We really peaked with fallujah

[cloud slate]

This is the question to answer, what are the problems with the Inf experience?

[sinful sable]

I mean, door kicking is cool

[visual trail]

yh exactly, i'll still bring the crate out but its left with a vehicle or wherever the plt resupply is
if its needed i just run back and get it

[sinful sable]

can I pls get a shotgun now thank you

[cloud slate]

Fallujah was great.

[regal onyx]

honestly i think fallujah is a lightning in a bottle moment, i don't think we'll ever have it again on the server imo

[rocky glen]

I 100% agree

We could get close but that genuinely was peak

[plucky forge]

wouldn't hurt to run it again and find out 🙂

[cloud slate]

Goblin

[regal onyx]

it was just. Fun

[rocky glen]

it wouldn't be the same

[sinful sable]

goblin doesn't have shotguns on modern no?

[rocky glen]

Everyone was just in complete unison

[raven sable]

Honestly just remove Banshee, have 2 1-9s and let them be a mix of both

[rocky glen]

It was so great to see

[raven sable]

No one will want to play watch the crate sim

[hazy delta]

There's a lot to talk on this topic i feel like

[sinful sable]

yep

[hazy delta]

but we're like talking about 5 different things rn and it hurts my brain

[visual trail]

meat grinder sim is only fun if you've got enough meat to grind... wait...

[plucky forge]

Just let people die. It's their fault they got shot

[rocky glen]

botan lib thesis wen

[hazy delta]

💀 i guess bro

[sinful sable]

brother what the fuck are you cooking

[rocky glen]

my friend preach your words

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-ragebait-rage-bait-jarvis-clip-that-jarvis-meme-gif-11046632004782930587

[regal onyx]

just don't get shot bros

[sinful sable]

I am not saying it's wrong

[hazy delta]

Where do i even start

💀

[sinful sable]

I am saying it's misguided when the AI can just flick and hit the first shot

[visual trail]

if you stand in the open and get shot, thats your fault

[plucky forge]

If you're in cover and get shot, should have picked better cover

[visual trail]

exactrly

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1477809434968326184/togif.gif

[rocky glen]

Uhhh my gist is that the individual engagements should be easier and the AI are less cracked and aimbotty, but higher volumes of infantry so there's more frequent firefights

Am I cooking

[hazy delta]

Kinda

[visual trail]

if you run to someone who got shot and then got shot, simply survival of the fittest at that point

[rocky glen]

I'll take it

[sinful sable]

this

is a cook

[hazy delta]

I'd start with the fact that we have so many supporting assets.. and there's so much shit that can kill a regular joe

so you need those supporting assets

to even start having a chance in inf

[visual trail]

think the kitchen is on fire

[regal onyx]

lets fight the pla again

[ebon badge]

By cutting out extra roles it makes whatever we have pop divert back into infantry. We won't ever get pop back until karma and drewski start making videos for the server again. At least we can do is setup the server back to being infantry focused for the times we do have pop.
For low pop scenarios we will have more infantry and hopefully less support roles, so we can field full squads and not have 2 demons, 1 butcher, banshee, goblin, phantom, viper and maybe 3 guys playing as grunts.
No one wants to play 1-6 like that or even play as infantry like that. If you got no infantry those support roles are meaningless.

[hazy delta]

but then its either you get everyone in supporting assets and like 1 squad of inf or the platoon just gets fucked

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[rocky glen]

Like less ZU guns and shit that just wipes entire squads and is designed to counter vehicles, and more groups of infantry

Yanno

[hazy delta]

Yeah

Thats why i want reaper gone

[raven sable]

This may be controversial but we should do something more like rangers+, inf get tons of equipment variety like we used to do but we remove most heavy armour, cas and AA from both sides. Just stalker and maybe butcher gets strikers or Mraps

[sinful sable]

yeah and by cutting out the extra roles without making infantry interesting, fun and able to engage an assault from different angles with different roles in the infantry we are just making this less fun

[hazy delta]

Then we can tweak the enemy shit and have it be more

[rocky glen]

ZUs are kinda multipurpose though, just need to be rarer

[hazy delta]

infantry centric

Like modern does not feel infantry centric

💀

[rocky glen]

Real

[hazy delta]

thats why most of us dont play no more

[regal onyx]

i'm having flashbacks to ranger lithium and i hate it

[visual trail]

i mean you would get the same shit if you just did any infantry unit ever

[visual trail]

go ukraine so if you drive a vehicle you just get hit by 8 drones when you exist

[rocky glen]

Entire platoon consists of 5 dudes and drone operators

[hazy delta]

thats basically when kogfor had drones

💀

not even joking

[visual trail]

that shit was bs

[raven sable]

Zu guns don't counter reaper tho they counter demon

[sinful sable]

see this is a bit closer to what it can be

granted I prefer not to just remove roles here, I am still very much under the belief reaper can be reworked

[visual trail]

they just waited until they got 12 drones and then sent all of them at us

[rocky glen]

They counter anything living lmao

[visual trail]

fucking nerds

[hazy delta]

your point?

Tbf i'd change RW CAS too

[rocky glen]

They destroy an infantry squad if you're caught by one, butcher if they don't see it first I could go on

[hazy delta]

we dont need 5 billion assets that have hellfires and shi

one apache thats 1.5k or smth with hellfires... rest more LOS CAS

[visual trail]

the problem with rotary is that AI dont know how to use manpads properly and dont hunt the helicopters

[hazy delta]

Or lighter CAS

[plucky forge]

This wouldn't be adding a second platoon. We have slots for a second platoon right now, just no slots for a command structure for them.

I've also been suggesting limiting active CAS to be player count based for months since they're (in my opinion) the most problematic when it comes to over-use.

[rocky glen]

more AH-6 pls

less FaF

[hazy delta]

lil birb with DAGRs and hydras trust

[regal onyx]

los cas is best cas, looks cooler and doesn't kill everything that twitches from 20km out

[hazy delta]

or smth

idk i dont remember exactly what you can get

but yeah the lil birb with 6 hellfires is insane

[rocky glen]

DAGRs are cool but a pod of 38 hydras is good

I will spit in your drink if AGR-20s are even considered

[visual trail]

asset perms only given to people who can show restraint and dont just nuke the entire point from 5km away

[visual trail]

is this meant to be a threat or an incentive?

[rocky glen]

💀

[hazy delta]

💀

[raven sable]

How would removing assets that have to use bombs and make attack runs with one that can hover and wipe out platoons with a 30mm gimbal autocannon help

[regal onyx]

the same can be said for butcher, i HATE when butcher players think they have to kill every little thing that moves from the safety of a hill across the map

[visual trail]

only time i ever played butcher, i got bored of sitting back and shooting so i drove right up to the point

[rocky glen]

Hill players my behated

There's no threat to them basically

[sinful sable]

anyway for modern I actually kinda want reaper to use more LOS CAS stuff as well (especially because we do actually have a lot of LOS stuff in our existing mods we can use that is very cool)

[hazy delta]

uhhh

are we deadass?

[visual trail]

10x more fun because there was actual danger and a chance of losing the asset, had to work with shadow at certain points to avoid blowing up to BMPs

[cloud slate]

At that point butcher is just fire support like Wraith is

[hazy delta]

yes i think removing assets that can fly high above manpads range and drop guided munitions and kill everything will help with the inf experience

prove me wrong

💀

[sinful sable]

but we can remove the guided munitions tho

[hazy delta]

No plen

plen bad

[rocky glen]

No plen

[sinful sable]

nah

plen cool

[rocky glen]

Wait can we keep Chevy

[sinful sable]

plen fast

[hazy delta]

because i want them to remove sam sites aswell

and FW red air

because its just aids

[raven sable]

The Apache is a significantly more powerful asset especially against infantry

[hazy delta]

as a normal inf joe

to just sit

and get fucked

by AIR you cant do shit about

[plucky forge]

cargo plen gud

[hazy delta]

thats only there to counter reaper

Literally

[visual trail]

hmmm, its in deliberation

[rocky glen]

Chevy my beloved

Fuck reaper all my homies hate reaper

[cloud slate]

The question is not if cargo plane but do we take the small one or the big one?

[sinful sable]

nah, we love reaper

[rocky glen]

Just keep C-130 and C-17 and da cessna

[regal onyx]

remember when we cargo dropped a crate into a minefield

[rocky glen]

Who's we brotato chip

[raven sable]

Even within nam demon has consistently been more of an issue that reaper

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1471551604216824003/caption.gif

[visual trail]

tbh a lot of the issues can be fixed by a zeus going "fuck you" to all those people and murdering them (respectfully) in like a fair and balanced way

[cloud slate]

Which time

[hazy delta]

Who's we indeed

atp

[rocky glen]

Oh god on the carrier start map with the islands

[regal onyx]

yup

[rocky glen]

So funny

Packing 4 people into a cessna

[visual trail]

"uhhh does opfor have strykers"

[sinful sable]

everyone

this is now 1984, no more complaining about reaper (especially in nam) is allowed

[regal onyx]

then i wrecked it on that shitty ass approach 💀

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-what-are-you-talking-about-bruh-wolf-of-wall-street-nose-pinch-gif-2883543456073544458

[rocky glen]

Nah bro that was hard

[sinful sable]

for modern...there are ways to fix reaper's worst issues :D

[regal onyx]

i mean obv since random felt bad and gave us another

[sinful sable]

just gotta take the pill

[visual trail]

removing it fixes all the isues not just the worst ones

[regal onyx]

guys

GUYS

[sinful sable]

well it also removes roles

so no

[regal onyx]

i have the best idea

to fix all these issues

we play WW2 again 💀

[hazy delta]

i guess bro.

[visual trail]

not enough people play to get those roles

[ebon badge]

Again it's setting it up for when we do have pop. Low pop scenarios itll make it to where we actually have infantry playing. Right now, low pop is 80% support roles and 20% infantry. Since we are low pop more than high pop, let's force it to where it's actually infantry focused again.

[rocky glen]

Spearhead time

[sinful sable]

that's great, don't see how that's a reaper issue

it's an infantry being shit issue

[cloud slate]

Reaper 1, signing in on 80

Reaper 1, 1-8, Snap 270 and RTB, you were not cleared to take off, Out

[visual trail]

aye aye, WW2 would have been a lot better if every tiger in the german army didnt show up on each point

[hazy delta]

No comment on ww2.

[visual trail]

its a server not being as fun anymore issue
its a server not being anything like how karmakuts brand is issue

[cloud slate]

All tanks are Tigers

All VC is KOG

[visual trail]

obviously

[sinful sable]

also that

so why are we trying to ruin the fun of others so the infantry can maybe get the 1 more person that would slot that

[visual trail]

best part of vietnam was seeing 5 different KOG marks when none were on

[plucky forge]

We don't have the player count to support a fully staffed second platoon 99% of the time.

[visual trail]

because when someone has the ability to nuke entire points, ruining the entire point of infantry (this goes for more than just reaper) it just destroys the experience

[sinful sable]

as if there was an infantry experience when a lot of that is just...dying

[visual trail]

sometimes we can barely fill a full squad

[sinful sable]

and dying again

meat-wave shit

[hazy delta]

thats true

[sinful sable]

oh, and you are exactly the same as everyone else with the same M4 your grandfather probably used

[hazy delta]

back in the day you could survive a 5 hour restart in line squads if you had some decent cohesion

[sinful sable]

it will be 2042 and we will still be using the M4

[visual trail]

1. it has to get balanced to reaper and other supporting assets existing
2. most of the more "milsim" guys left ages ago so you dont get people actually trying to use tactics

[regal onyx]

brother, give it a fuckin rest

[hazy delta]

Real

knockout please zubau

[rocky glen]

real

[visual trail]

so this is known as standard issue, what it means is that its the thing that gets given to everyone

[hazy delta]

We can have the caggest gear possible if we die to EI sniping us through 324095345098654039 foliage

dont matter 🙏

[visual trail]

like its not a difficult consept lol

[cloud slate]

Normal evening on KC

a full phantom squad who swears there was a 1-6 on
2 in Banshee
1 in each Viper squads
a 1-8
a 1-9
Half of a line squad
a 6-6 for some reason
a savage
a stalker
3 demons

[rocky glen]

also like squads have auto riflemen as well and that's not an M4

[sinful sable]

idk about you, but a lot of different things can be standard issue too

[rocky glen]

Knockout I just think you don't like inf and that's okay just say it

[visual trail]

good point good point

[sinful sable]

mate I liked phantom :(

[hazy delta]

💀

Wrap it up

[regal onyx]

for the modern us military, no theres not

[rocky glen]

Yeah this is pointless

💀

[visual trail]

go ahead...

(i mean for modern day US)

[hazy delta]

i stand by my point, doesnt matter what gear we have.. the server is gonna be empty anyways if the inf experience is ass

💀

[sinful sable]

mate im not necessarily a US expert here, though I would assume you would have more than one rifle with minor modifications as standard issue

[sharp charm]

Unless you are in an MOS that lets you choose your own weapons, basic line people were all issued the same standard rifle. The arsenal does offer a few variants for various slots but no way should there be a full arsenal where you could pick whatever you wanted to rock that day.

[sinful sable]

here we have 3.

[visual trail]

also gear is the exact same "oh look, this pixel is a slightly different shade of black"

[raven sable]

Clearly you don't actually like phantom if you are just walking around killing everything and never marking anything lol, you just like being inf while feeling special

[visual trail]

no, there isnt

[rocky glen]

my clan wears all black and doesn't pid

[regal onyx]

that literally defeats the point of a standard 💀

[sinful sable]

I like having specialty weapons for specialty tasks

[hazy delta]

translating
I like being special

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-or-not-ron-ready-or-not-explosion-restroom-explosion-toilet-gif-14566732740967327700

i am special

[sinful sable]

yeah? anything wrong with having something other than the most normal?

[visual trail]

be contempt with being the same

[hazy delta]

BUT THATS WHAT YOU WANT, IT WONT HELP THE SERVER ITSELF

There we go

[visual trail]

you dont have to be a special little boy all the time

[rocky glen]

there's specialised roles in line squads as well man 😭

[visual trail]

nuh uh

[bold harness]

I completely agree with remove reaper

[rocky glen]

plus 1-4 is great if you wanna be special

[hazy delta]

again

[rocky glen]

you get big gun and have other big guns on sbf

[hazy delta]

who's we in we like reaper?

literally

[sinful sable]

the machine gun is cool and that's kinda about it

I prefer CQB tho

[hazy delta]

nobody likes that role

anymore

[bold harness]

Reaper is soooo ahhh

[rocky glen]

go play battlefield then if you want to use a shotgun iunno

[visual trail]

CQC is straight ass in arma 3

[rocky glen]

not the server for that

[hazy delta]

Maybe you get the random airbozo who only plays reaper once every 3 months in kc

thats it

[raven sable]

Exactly my point, I'll just leave it at that since Im done belaying my partner and need to start climbing

[sinful sable]

ok, go play squad then if you want that infantry focus

[visual trail]

going from silky smooth in operator to fucking janky wall banging arma 3 is painful

[sinful sable]

or tarkov, that works too

[bold harness]

iirc it is only knim and knockout that like reaper

[rocky glen]

Real this maps almost done and no one's bought any reaper assets afaik

[regal onyx]

what

[hazy delta]

we have an f-100 i believe

[bold harness]

Buddy the server is literally created on “infantry”

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-rage-bait-l-l-lawliet-gif-335936460115950438

[hazy delta]

nobody really using it

[visual trail]

see that argument would only work if this wasnt an infantry focused server... but it is

[hazy delta]

so

[rocky glen]

Okay nevermind

[hazy delta]

but im mostly talking bout modern

[visual trail]

"you want to play minecraft, well go play fucking roblox"

[bold harness]

What are u on about

[hazy delta]

"he made a statement so cag"

💀

wrap it up

[visual trail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398590278404931588/994810806283800617/shitposto.gif

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1306299449173086278/1455747155141853255/attachment.gif

[ebon badge]

This right here is exactly what I am talking about.

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423714906452000828/1478522698110861443/caption.gif

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1478484806789763092/togif.gif

[sinful sable]

such an infantry focus when everything is revolving around dying 5 times for one objective because we can't have anything actually worth

[hazy delta]

how does

getting a new gun

change that

it doesnt

thats my point

do you understand now

[sinful sable]

idk, baby steps mate, we can work on issues one at a time

[visual trail]

you can die in style

[hazy delta]

die in style

yeah

literallyyyyy

[rocky glen]

die in cag

[cloud slate]

https://tenor.com/view/where-you-at-gif-21177622

Can I get an OGRE?

[bold harness]

Yeah trust guys add a new gun lib is saved

[visual trail]

if you want less wave tactics, then teach other tactics
looking cool does not make you cool

[hazy delta]

🙏

gimme the spear

ima cag on all the RHS russians

[bold harness]

New gun , same gun sound and u still get one tapped

[hazy delta]

• probably knockout

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/fadding-homelander-gif-16156538903600882075

[bold harness]

You wont have a shoulder no more

[ebon badge]

Can't at work. Suffer

[rocky glen]

nope stalinium body armour

[visual trail]

you have to be careful incase the russian perfect parrys that round straight back it you, with the spear you'll definetely die

[hazy delta]

ong we should do rangers against ISIS or some shi, no reaper no SAMs.. we get LOS demon and butcher in strykers and AI wont be aimbot #trust

[visual trail]

82nd ABN so all we get is humvees

or 101st

[hazy delta]

I'd be down

[royal elbow]

sounds like way to much fun. you get RHS Russia for the fifth year in a row. no we don’t care if nobody likes it.

[rocky glen]

Yes and we get to paradrop

[visual trail]

same effect

[ebon badge]

If it means good gameplay and coordination then I am down

[visual trail]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-wojak-gif-13571840648507225174

[sinful sable]

if we get like, actual infantry weapon variety, fok it we can get rid of demon too and just run all ground

[hazy delta]

Oh yeah you're so right

my bad

[regal onyx]

mgs gaming??

[rocky glen]

MGS real

[hazy delta]

MGS gaming.

[visual trail]

what variety do you want? different colour guns?

[hazy delta]

Exactly

what i want

[sinful sable]

MGS gaming

[rocky glen]

(Not metal gear solid)

[visual trail]

we can get you a pink one

[royal elbow]

skins

gold scar

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/not-you-seamus-gif-24731889

[rocky glen]

Real

[bold harness]

I want to jumpscare jake with my lil birb minigun

[magic salmon]

Just give me tan uniforms and a desert so I can look cool 😎

[visual trail]

sadam husseins gold AK

[bold harness]

At command meeting

[sinful sable]

we can have door kicker squads, we can have phantom with silenced MP5s or something, all the shit

[sinful sable]

hey!

I actually liked driving the MGS

(and the Rooikat 120)

[hazy delta]

I mean if you think about it, fallujah was pretty much that... we had no crazy CAS.. we had armor, we did convoys, the AI wasnt tanky and aimbotty

its literally the best time of lib

[rocky glen]

What in the Kentucky fried fuck is a "doorkicker squad"

[bold harness]

Just remember friendlies have strikers

[visual trail]

i disklike this more than i do reaper

"lets remove the specialised slots for more specialised slots"

[bold harness]

I did my first ever good 1-6 run on that map

[ebon badge]

Squad outfed cqb style weapons and breaching capabilites

[visual trail]

a rifle squad is your door kicker squad

[sinful sable]

yeah, because I am not keen on removing all specialisation

[royal elbow]

GAF in lib kinda went crazy

[hazy delta]

It really did

[rocky glen]

Well just let inf bring breaching tools then

[regal onyx]

pov knockout playing against insurgents cuz he has to be different

[rocky glen]

Not a whole ahh other squad

[sinful sable]

fuck me man if I had that I would play inf 24/7

[bold harness]

Wild

[visual trail]

thats way too fucking difficult

[regal onyx]

did someone say breacher

[bold harness]

Can i get kog perms if we play fallujah due to realism purposes

[visual trail]

i need a dedicated company just for knocking on someones door

[hazy delta]

"how to blow up claymore"

ahem

[ebon badge]

There isn't really a door kicking squad. That I would assume to be like swat or equivalent

[hazy delta]

cosmic 2026

[rocky glen]

Let's hope they give you SLAMs

[bold harness]

Sm1 gimme kog perms trust

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/moistcritikal-penguinz0-charlie-misinput-it-was-a-misinput-gif-23090919

[rocky glen]

Yeah my exact point

[hazy delta]

oh automod didnt like me saying KC PD

[visual trail]

"first doctrinally accurate SWAT raid"

[rocky glen]

You outfit the line squads depending on the mission

[bold harness]

Kc pd

[ebon badge]

I play ready or not. I think I can conduct that

[bold harness]

I willl make custom 10 codes and rules and regulations trust

[sinful sable]

like, I'll make you a deal

give us cool carbines and SMGs and I am gonna 24/7 infantry :D

[hazy delta]

again

its all about you

[bold harness]

You gotta do a use of force report

[hazy delta]

i swear to god i can see a pattern

[rocky glen]

it's agent knockout liberation bro

[cloud slate]

Roll KOG into LIB thats the play?

[visual trail]

go to court for the murder when you shoot a guy pulling out a phone

[cloud slate]

KC Lib starring Agent Knockout

[visual trail]

wait

[bold harness]

We can have tony as the department leader of doj

[visual trail]

i got a great video hold up

[rocky glen]

He's reaching

[regal onyx]

KOG
KT

[visual trail]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTQ6jJwCFhm/?igsh=MTBxMW1pNjA3aWkwcQ==

3rdidrealism

Congrats to our new Ranger School grads! After brutal challenges, they crushed it. 3rd Infantry Division now in Arma Reforger!

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the comments are great

[bold harness]

Who wants to be my K9 ill be your handler ?

[sinful sable]

yeah? as if the way things will end up is going to be nothing but equal boredom for everyone

[hazy delta]

i guess bro

[magic salmon]

What’s Kaizen Troops main purpose? Is it just another KOG lol

[hazy delta]

does he know

[regal onyx]

he does not know

[visual trail]

"Yo since this is a realism server can I join and marry a stripper who cheats on me causing me to simulate a hostage situation at my in game home involving a stand off with civilian law enforcement (we can get a “ready or not” clan to be the cops) and then I get put on legal hold/non deployable which can be simulated in game by forcing me to sit in a lobby for like 12 games and then I get an OTH simulated by being IP banned? If yes, Seriously interested."

[regal onyx]

we are nothing alike

[magic salmon]

I do not know

[cloud slate]

I dislike this

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1423714906452000828/1478522698110861443/caption.gif

[magic salmon]

I joined a month ago lmao

[hazy delta]

^KT

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1342556477516156949/1476667191272149053/caption.gif

[visual trail]

its absolute jokes tho

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1198622280700416090/1431756478661918811/caption.gif

Also KT

[bold harness]

We are sas basically

[magic salmon]

So pretend SAD.

[regal onyx]

i am physically cringing rn how could you

[magic salmon]

SAS *

[regal onyx]

not basically

[cloud slate]

KT is euro Kog

They are SAS instead of Ranger

[visual trail]

they goon together

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/799449362756403211/1280544152517607535/ezgif.com-animated-gif-maker.gif

[hazy delta]

i really really wouldnt say euro kog

lmao

KT is based on an SAS troop

basically

We're nothing alike kog atp

[regal onyx]

1 patrol best patrol (ignore jake on the left he died)

[hazy delta]

Fly high jake

[sinful sable]

anyway: tl;dr I get we need change but like, I'd much prefer it if we didn't just call for removing roles on a whim and tried stuff

it's a great strategy to get players into the milsim units I know, but like we can do better than just being the most basic of an infantry platoon

[regal onyx]

this is just shen

[bold harness]

Yeah so anyways just remove reaper

[sinful sable]

💀

[hazy delta]

Agreed

[sinful sable]

though tbf some of this is also kinda personal because the milsim units in question aren't exactly doing things during attendable times

[bold harness]

Chevy,demon,and stalker is all we need

[plucky forge]

The stuff we're wanting to try is removing/restricting roles

[sinful sable]

yes, restricting is like, fine

....removing is far less so

for reaper, my restrictions are intended to be more so built-in rather than SOP-related or anything like that because I feel like that'll do a better job

[plucky forge]

Then why do you always come out to disagree when I suggest restricting CAS

[sinful sable]

this

[plucky forge]

We've repeatedly seen that giving people objectively worse CAS assets doesn't keep them from trying anyway to the detriment of others on the server

Leaving SOP based limits as the next option

[sinful sable]

detriment is subjective, I think we went over this during our argument in kc arty

[plucky forge]

We've gone over it multiple times. You refuse anything that would limit CAS regardless of if it would benefit the rest of the server

[sinful sable]

I mean, I like how reaper is in nam, that is a restriction by all means imaginable

[hazy delta]

cool man, what about modern

💀

[sinful sable]

I want to build the restrictions for reaper in modern on a similar basis

[plucky forge]

And demon

[sinful sable]

do I have to plug in the Aerodynamics Labs mod again, the mod that specifically fixes the sensors so reaper doesn't magically get 15x zoom thermals even without a targeting pod

[plucky forge]

Or we could just not have a reaper on when the player count doesn't justify it

[hazy delta]

or at all 👀

[sinful sable]

again, I view the support role stacking as an infantry issue at large

by fixing the infantry issue you'll probably get less support roles slotted in on average

[hazy delta]

Nah for real tho, the issue is there's so much shit that kills the average joe linebozo.. its just not fun to be one

[visual trail]

because you play it?

[hazy delta]

But knockout isnt ready for that discussion yet

[sinful sable]

I played it...once.

again, I've been running phantom or goblin whenever I can because that actually has something I want to do at least

[sinful sable]

can we at least agree that infnatry just eats the dirt too much?

[hazy delta]

Thats what im saying

type shit

[sinful sable]

if nothing else let's fix that first then we can discuss infantry being CAG

[hazy delta]

thats what Ive been sayingg

crazy

insane even

[visual trail]

jet kills everything
more stuff added so its slightly harder for jet to kill everything
that stuff kills infantry so jet is required

[flint talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-plane-war-thunder-me262-gif-6122664457670319411

[hazy delta]

LITERALLY

yes

someone understands

therefore

remove jet

remove stuff that kills infantry

[sinful sable]

and i've been asking for jet not being able to kill everything instead

[hazy delta]

infantry more fun

yippee

[visual trail]

step 1 of infantry being a better experience

[sinful sable]

jet not being able to kill everything also solves that

..aka nam

[royal elbow]

on the infantry focused server?? not likely

[visual trail]

it cant kill everything if it doesnt exist

[hazy delta]

for what

1-2 guys

who like reaper?

lmao

[visual trail]

also nam is only fun if theres like a full plt on

[sinful sable]

ok? why can't we like reaper while keeping the infantry happy

[visual trail]

or atleast most fun

[hazy delta]

because infantry centric server

[sinful sable]

yeah, and the infantry can be happy too

[hazy delta]

i wanna be able to hop on lib, slot in with a competent squad and actually survive if we do well

[visual trail]

because reaper doesnt like taking a chill pill

[hazy delta]

not get absolutely fucked by 20 gazzilion GMGs, ZUs and aimbot AI

[sinful sable]

so we change the overall focus of reaper so they have to take a chill pill

[visual trail]

ZUs are the main thing since they are designed to be used against aircraft but usually get used against infantry the most

[hazy delta]

I'd start with aimboty AI but yeah

[visual trail]

or just take it away

[sinful sable]

...aka, nam

where strikes don't happen nearly as often because, and this is a shocker, we can't recon on our own and kinda have to wait a bit

[hazy delta]

Im also reffering to the fact that a lot of the times the insert gets cucked by a SAM

so you have to drive for ages or smth

idk

[grave mauve]

what did i do?

[hazy delta]

oh god youre here

hi SAM

[visual trail]

cucked botan

[grave mauve]

[hazy delta]

im guessing this is very entertaining

im very bored

[visual trail]

atleast aimbotty ai cant wipe out a full squad in 3.5 ms

[sinful sable]

it's like, the solution is already right before our eyes

[hazy delta]

valid

[grave mauve]

i just woke up and am clearing out my unread messages... this is the last stop of the morning before coffee

[visual trail]

still a problem tho

[sinful sable]

why do we bother trying to make a new one

[hazy delta]

morning car

[visual trail]

i wish reaper wasnt right before my eyes

[sinful sable]

and I wish you could see the solution that lets reaper be before our eyes and everything is still fine

[visual trail]

also removing reaper creates no extra problems so long as the enemy takes a chill pill as well with all the killy shit

[hazy delta]

exactly

[sinful sable]

and how do you think that can happen

[hazy delta]

real recognizes real

[sinful sable]

it's not just a 'let's remove some enemies'

[hazy delta]

FW Red air, SAMs, remove some of the armor, ZUs etc...

make it easier to be able to stay alive as inf

because there's no reaper to kill everything

[sinful sable]

yeah, and we can still do some of this because reaper doesn't have to kill everything

[hazy delta]

Reaper will always kill everything

[visual trail]

reaper is antithetical to everything being fine

[hazy delta]

Because thats how reaper is

[visual trail]

settings changed by community staff

[hazy delta]

either you make it so shit that no one plays it

or you remove it

[sinful sable]

not if I can't fucking see the target myself and have to wait for the strike call

[hazy delta]

💀

[visual trail]

irl jets kill everything

its just irl jets arent always available

[sinful sable]

again, I do believe a lot of the issue with reaper comes from reaper also being good at recon

when they aren't, you really do sit around a while before getting strike calls

[hazy delta]

its not

callum alr said what the issue is

[visual trail]

if you care like a lot about jets and flying them, etc, DCS is fucking autism central on that shit

[abstract mason]

👀 I’m a guy

[sinful sable]

sir I have to learn rocket science first

[sinful sable]

are you the guy tho

[visual trail]

autism central, exactly lmao

[sinful sable]

yeah, and it's not like I have the time for autism central

[hazy delta]

cool man

[visual trail]

reaper ❌
butcher ❌
demon ❌
infantry 💯

[hazy delta]

nah nah hear me out

butcher is chill

[abstract mason]

I have fun opinions

[visual trail]

nah

[regal onyx]

i will not accept butcher slander

[sinful sable]

butcher is chill

[zinc aurora]

butcher is chill when they're not sitting on a hill detached from the infantry

[visual trail]

butcher has the same problem with gooners sitting 1km away shooting into the point

[abstract mason]

Chillest roll is 1-4 MG

[sinful sable]

yes, so gib us good armor and let us roll in with you

[hazy delta]

add the SOP that makes it so that they have to be attached to a squad

[visual trail]

that is my only fuel for the hate

[bold harness]

real ( roll the clip of me and breaker crashing into each other and going kaboom)

[zinc aurora]

the issue isn't butcher itself, it's people playing butcher like a point and click adventure from like 1km away

[visual trail]

no just dont be an L gooner

communicate, manouvre and use your brain to avoid death

[zinc aurora]

I'd agree to remove phantom and reaper from modern tbh

[visual trail]

if you die, oh fucking well, that shit happens

[sinful sable]

I didn't say 'good armor' means well armored

I mean the fucking clown cars.