#Kc Feedback Forum

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hazy delta
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stickers are more funny tho

zinc aurora
gray python
rocky glen
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oh yeah you pack the Vic like you're raiding a supermarket

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...There's a Romania joke here somewhere

hazy delta
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There truly is

zinc aurora
zinc aurora
hazy delta
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we should just steal some ostwinds

eternal cipher
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wirbelwind my beloved

hidden oar
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Am i crazy or does bar this campaing have a crazy amount of recoil compared to vietnam one?

zealous dagger
visual trail
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@terse garnet yk the garand and carbine were standard issue for airborne units, thats like during modern going, "hey i dont like the amount of M4s we have, can we get some AKs in the arsenal" lol

terse garnet
# visual trail <@244658985595174912> yk the garand and carbine were standard issue for airborne...

no its like saying " hey command dosnt get mad enough at us for using this weapon i got from home why not?" and i mean i just would like us to use 1 garand rather than having 3 to 4 to deal with becuase itd make ogres job alot easier, i always see someone complaining about the resupply not having their ammo, im not saying to add anything to arsenal either im saying just give them what a basic rifleman also has becuase i dont see a con to this

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also the garand varied on wether it was supplied luckily were airborne so we atleast had that going for us

edgy raptor
regal onyx
zealous dagger
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Just saying it’s kinda easy but I don’t mind how it is

cobalt frigate
potent sinew
hazy delta
potent sinew
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doesn't change the difficulty at all

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I'm always a fan of us getting airways and such but medical has always been stop bleed, get HR, and have enough fluids to wake up

regal onyx
potent sinew
cobalt frigate
potent sinew
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Yeah clotting makes people a lot less likely to die for sure

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both can be adjusted in settings it's not a KAT issue for losing a HR

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oh the conversation started with recommending turning off clotting

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Yeah I agree with that

tacit pasture
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@pine dust Its been like 4 or 5 days bro

pine dust
grave mauve
grave mauve
# pine dust feels like 2 weeks lol, ill change that

Ya as Tony said. Exams requests closed only a couple days ago. But regardless of that, 2-3 month wait period is the normal amount of time between exam cycles. This map also doesn't even have that many asset slots as there's no Stalker or Demon and what exists for Reaper and Chevy is minimal

gray python
gray python
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If clotting really is that bad. I would simply reduce the chance of clotting not disable it entirely

wraith wraith
cobalt frigate
terse garnet
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however i would love if we added breathing obstruction and stuff like that itd be great for more complexness

gray python
cobalt frigate
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Coagulation in combination with them regaining blood overtime is making it too easy shrug

gray python
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they regain blood over like 20 minutes

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it's such a slow rate it's almost not even a factor

cobalt frigate
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I've seen it change from lost a lot lost some realtime SEVERAL times

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It is slower, but not that slow that it's not a factor

potent sinew
cobalt frigate
gray python
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coagulation being turned off would be awful for this campaign where you get knocked left right and center by 20 flak guns.

potent sinew
terse garnet
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and usually i always establish iv as you can raise bloodpressure through blood making it easier to push epi without killing him

cobalt frigate
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managing your time is one of the biggest part of treating in a mascas situation, right now managaing a mascas is way too easy

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well, at least for me shrug

terse garnet
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i mean i wouldnt say its too easy since most of the guys end up dead, atleast from my experience, even when banshees there atleast 2 die if its a full squad

potent sinew
terse garnet
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if a guys chest is red i have to end up abandoning him for a higher priority patient that i can get up like the radio man to call in help, if i lose a patient i feel like ive already lost keeping my team alive is my one and only purpose so if even one of them dies after going uncon i fail

cobalt frigate
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can't save everyone shrug

potent sinew
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everyone gets a black tag

wraith wraith
# gray python coagulation being turned off would be awful for this campaign where you get knoc...

I have heared this argument over and over again with the ZUs and so on. I think a higher penalty for dying make people value there life more and should force people to make better decisions. Otherwise it turns towards COD and body waves. But in the end is also a question of the admin team, what they wanna achieve with the server settings. There wont be a 100% solution anyways, cause we all come from different points. For me e.g. we can go full KAT, with operations only in medical facilites and stuff. would give the need for medivacs and so on as well. But I also understand that some people dont wanna play casualty for 1 h if they only have 1h to play.

terse garnet
umbral raft
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oh the days of OP IDF and people running the save the people that have marked for death

terse garnet
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i should also point out im not banshee so i dont have fancy dancy ios

umbral raft
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being baited into the meat grinder

potent sinew
gray python
cobalt frigate
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and it gives you severe pain always

wraith wraith
gray python
terse garnet
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yeah it also sucks when people start shooting at the aircraft manage to hit it, then the plane considers us targets and starts strafing

wraith wraith
terse garnet
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but ive played hearts and minds and lib the medical in that was just as easy in my opinion

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id like to see alot more structure for the members as man does it suck to see people running around like lemmings, i mean atleast my jobs never boring haha

regal onyx
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@hidden oar how exactly do you expect them to fix something they have zero control over?

terse garnet
hidden oar
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And no feedback would be rude it is feedback after all

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M kieran can be wizard so i had to ask hahaha

edgy raptor
agile cypress
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would just be up to CS to add it or not

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habfuze, lots of the approved clientside mods for air stuff

sweet flume
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In theory it would just need the config edited or a compat to tweak it, so definitely possible.

lapis harness
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@cobalt frigate About the coagulation suggestion, its actually only small wounds that can coagulate. Previously when we first got KAT it was everything which I agree did make it a bit of a joke since everything was closing up damn near instantly, but that got changed pretty fast and right now you do have to bandage medium and large wounds, they won't close on their own (Another reason why TXA sucks, but is more balanced now since it only boosts the closure of small wounds)

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edgy raptor
hidden oar
hidden oar
sweet flume
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Oh nah I won't fix it, I don't play lib mate but theres guys within the admin who could easily do it

hidden oar
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god dammit well they probably wont then uuuf

edgy raptor
granite cape
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we've had it before

cobalt frigate
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so why not shrug

rocky glen
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blastcore would be so cool

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plus again it's clientside

regal onyx
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I love blastcore so much, but It can effect performance for people

hazy delta
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blastcore mentioned again

granite cape
rocky glen
regal onyx
rocky glen
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oookay so make it optional then? then the people who want it/have a system that can run it will use it and the people who dont, dont

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am i missing your point or something

regal onyx
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My brother in christ I was just saying it's performance intensive there's no point

rocky glen
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okay fair enough mb

zealous dagger
cloud oracle
final basin
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There's so many damn half-tracks

lapis abyss
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Savage needs RTO slot to be able to get on gun

hazy delta
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giv harpy

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giv wraith

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agile cypress
hazy delta
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and they get a 6pdr

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💀

agile cypress
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how much ammo

eternal cipher
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id say defo allow a heavier gun as a buyable asset, but outright giving them a fuckyou machine defeats the point of wraith

hazy delta
agile cypress
hazy delta
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smol cannon tho

eternal cipher
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there goes my argument

agile cypress
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but also vietnam was hard to use them

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this map it would be somewhat op

hazy delta
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its flat map

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it wouldnt be op

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trust

eternal cipher
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yeah, here AT guns would be super effective. as a buyable asset it'd make people respect them, recrew and resupply them

hazy delta
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giv big cannon

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anyways

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giv platoon 37mm autocannon for aa

agile cypress
# hazy delta its flat map

that hill we were on with butcher the other day could see pretty far is that not what most of the map is like

hazy delta
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trust me its not op been playing only butcher this map and you cant just sit and kill everything on the point

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plus the ranging is dogshit and gotta eyeball

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nvm this cannon has proper ranging

eternal cipher
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too OP

hazy delta
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Was mostly interested in Digby's AA he mentioned to see it but stumbled into the wraith cannon aswell

eternal cipher
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you get an anti life boomstick, and 0.1x optics to aim it with

agile cypress
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ww2 harpy is like peak harpy crazy it was not included

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autocannon > stinger

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way more people would play harpy in ww2 than modern i feel

eternal cipher
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autocannon, expendable. everyone gets to do something and feel like theyre important.

stinger, "fuck i ran out of missles 19 hinds ago :("

agile cypress
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fire my 2 stingers time to wait 45mins for ogre to bring me 2 more

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vs

eternal cipher
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you never asked 6 for perms to buy a stinger emplacement, take it out to the field and make a campsite?

agile cypress
agile cypress
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till the bug came in that didnt get fixed where you cant pick it up and move it

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well it got fixed then broke again after the map finished

eternal cipher
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even then, with a vic you can. you can deploy it from the ACE load menu

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not ideal, but makes it viable

agile cypress
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yeah

eternal cipher
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and compared to 8 missles every 45 minutes, like what. 16 i think? as much as you want aslong as you go back and rearm it

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use it as main missle battery, one dude goes back with it when empty. people use handheld stingers as supplementary until its rearmed

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should have infinite stinger supply if you pace it well

hazy delta
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even if they dont add harpy

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just add the thing so ew can buy it for 100 supplies or some shit

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add it as a stinger emplacement replacement for ww2

zinc aurora
rocky glen
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@pine dust 100 hours is literally nothing and how long it took me (and others) to fully understand the gameplay loop from all perspectives

pine dust
zinc aurora
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the hour requirment isnt really about how good someone is with an asset

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its so they understand lib as a gamemode

rocky glen
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while I agree with making exams harder/more in-depth that's been requested before and denied because it's more work for CS and admins

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decreasing or increasing the hour requirement isn't the solution

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personally I think the current hour requirements are ok but the air exams need to be a little more in-depth

regal onyx
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@pine dust how do you come up with literally the worst ideas

rocky glen
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LMAO

regal onyx
zealous dagger
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The hour needed is fine but the exams are so easy that even my dumbass passed 1-6/7, 1-8, SL, and 6-6

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Plus I’ve seen dudes with those perms who are ABSOLUTELY SHIT

rocky glen
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are the 9/banshee perms even updated yet with the new KAT stuff

cobalt frigate
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No

rocky glen
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💀

hazy delta
rocky glen
hazy delta
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Wanted to say CV

zinc aurora
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wtf is a cv

hazy delta
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went with airbozo certification

agile cypress
rocky glen
zinc aurora
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oh

rocky glen
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I thought it was a British thing but because there's so many Americans here I just said resume 💀

grave mauve
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  1. As others have said, the hours requirement is to understand Liberation as a whole, such as zone proc'ing, asset name SOP and roles, and to just limit who applies
  2. Exams are not competency tests, they're literally open book. They're more SOP tests and we don't have the intention to change that
  3. It states in the SOP of all roles that if you don't feel you are capable of the role, seek guidance before playing it.
  4. If people aren't properly able to play a role, speak to them, speak to an admin, or submit a report in #❗❗admin we can't fix what we don't know
zealous dagger
grave mauve
hazy delta
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Chat I think this was a big skull emoji moment

zinc aurora
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bro dont got the sticker no more

hazy delta
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I do

grave mauve
hazy delta
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I own it

zinc aurora
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oh

hazy delta
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medium skull emoji

gray python
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Perms should only be allowed for people who have done the role in real life. but uh this should only be applied to new people. Not me

rocky glen
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oh fuck

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it didn't work

regal onyx
hazy delta
rocky glen
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okay that was meant to be tiny skull but I guess it's just low quality

hazy delta
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Thus I own it

regal onyx
hazy delta
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BO and BRO are not the same thing (sus)

rocky glen
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y'all should kiss

grave mauve
bold harness
zinc aurora
gray python
regal onyx
hazy delta
zinc aurora
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teto mentioned?

rocky glen
hazy delta
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mayhaps

rocky glen
grave mauve
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@regal onyx next @floral arch update DogeLaugh

client.on(Events.MessageCreate => (msg) {
    if (msg.author.roles.includes (adminRole) return;
    if (msg.startsWith("# ") {
        msg.delete();
        return;
    }
}

||I wrote this on my phone, it sucked||

hazy delta
hazy delta
rocky glen
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you evil son of a bitch

hazy delta
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This would get deleted

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this too

grave mauve
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Not not this

rocky glen
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teto world domination

grave mauve
regal onyx
hazy delta
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real

zinc aurora
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me when the markdown

pine dust
regal onyx
pine dust
hazy delta
grave mauve
rocky glen
bold harness
hazy delta
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blud

sinful sable
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damn

zinc aurora
bold harness
rocky glen
grave mauve
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Big low res skull

zinc aurora
pine dust
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My skills are put to good use

rocky glen
agile cypress
regal onyx
rocky glen
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bro grabbed the wrong gun and fired it at cosmic

zealous dagger
rocky glen
bold harness
rocky glen
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💀

bold harness
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nah but calling cosmic romanian is wild work

rocky glen
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absolute cinema

bold harness
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real , like getting botan,breaker,and i confused is common it happens(sometimes) but botan and cosmic is wild work ,wild movement

bold harness
zinc aurora
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idk why there's so many people with "B" at the start of their username

bold harness
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wrong gif

hazy delta
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fr

rocky glen
bold harness
lapis abyss
royal elbow
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If anything the hour requirements should be increased

bold harness
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Real

royal elbow
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bring back written exams while we're at it

rocky glen
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real

gray python
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What would those even look like? Next you're going to request an interview process as well

crimson briar
visual trail
visual trail
royal elbow
gray python
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That seems a bit silly, you wouldn't know how you'd respond. You haven't done the role before

lapis abyss
visual trail
edgy raptor
gray python
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I think that's a bit of a backwards thought process. There's no way for them to practice in a lib like environment without having the role and getting better through playing it.

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I do think the exams right now are a bit too easy, but I don't think a written exam would change the quality of people getting the role by that much

edgy raptor
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it 100% would. then we know you actually know your shit rather than you can pick a number between 1 and 4 accurately.
Yeah, TXA clots wounds. When should you actually use it though? 4x guys down all similar wounds, whats your priority and why? Tail rotor blown out. What are you doing and why?
It gauges your ability to actually think through a situation and the chance to justify reasoning as opposed to regurgitating information you have read.

cobalt frigate
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Most of the time there is a way to somewhat get to know the role before being handed the asset.
Want to learn Reaper/Stalker procedures? Hop on 1-8 alongside someone with experience
Want to learn Platoon Medic/Banshee? Hop on Squad Medic, you're already listening to 39, so you can see what's your 1-9 is doing

gray python
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1-8 only prepares you for radio comms, not flight procedure

crimson briar
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Written exams showed you who knew what they were doing and what course of action to take. my opinion on multiple choice exams is that quanity over quality took over especially when i believe people would cheat on a open book exam.

edgy raptor
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As 1-8 you have 1x Reaper and 1x Savage asset slotted. Reaper is currently conducting CB as Savage is trying to reposition. 1-4 calls in requesting assistance with an MBT that is pushing their position. What do you do and why?

hazy delta
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Ask to buy f16 alaska

regal onyx
cobalt frigate
crimson briar
bold harness
gray python
hazy delta
crimson briar
bold harness
hazy delta
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perchance

regal onyx
hazy delta
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As a competent 1-8 what I would do is yell at 1-4 for not having AT and continue to nuke everything thats not affecting platoon atm from all the other points but the curent obj

edgy raptor
edgy raptor
regal onyx
hazy delta
hazy delta
edgy raptor
regal onyx
gray python
regal onyx
hazy delta
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its fantum

cobalt frigate
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fantum tax

edgy raptor
bold harness
bold harness
regal onyx
edgy raptor
hazy delta
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not close enough

edgy raptor
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you are never out of ammo, you just become the ammo

bold harness
hazy delta
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Reaper is in the A-10 grounded cuz of sam but wont switch to SEAD

regal onyx
regal onyx
bold harness
cobalt frigate
hazy delta
bold harness
regal onyx
edgy raptor
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We are getting off topic. Back to feedback only

bold harness
hazy delta
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Imagine if #kc_feedback was real

bold harness
regal onyx
hazy delta
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#kc_NO_ACCESS

visual trail
green umbra
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Can we make Stalker pilots go to flight school?

edgy raptor
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yep, show me the IRL pilot license or no stalker perms

regal onyx
green umbra
hazy delta
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gotta get that airbozo certification

grave mauve
hazy delta
sinful dew
regal onyx
visual trail
sinful dew
regal onyx
sinful dew
zinc aurora
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no that just means he qualifies for OPFOR

sinful dew
hazy delta
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cringefor

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russian campaign when

sinful dew
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Scamfor

regal onyx
bold harness
edgy raptor
bold harness
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I take it back

cobalt frigate
regal onyx
cobalt frigate
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i fall asleep whenever i play vanilla reforger

regal onyx
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m81 woodland camo, carry handle m16, m60 patton's

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goes hard

zinc aurora
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@regal onyx cold war lib when?

sinful dew
cobalt frigate
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we had enough of gwot

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"gwot"

regal onyx
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i'm just tired of the desert lol and FUCK the jungle

cobalt frigate
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I just don't want to use the same basic rhs m4 for 100th time

sinful dew
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Coalition forces only, no US

cobalt frigate
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will never be done

sinful dew
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I have a dream

edgy raptor
sinful sable
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but we do have the mods needed to make it workable, already told deadone about it

rocky glen
regal onyx
bright bane
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@zealous dagger that would only work if everyone had those roles

zealous dagger
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That’s why it’s auto roles

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People can choose to have it or not

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And the people who don’t have it then sucks for them because they are gonna be pinged for no reason

edgy raptor
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its been asked before. with the amount of roles and work required to keep up with it it won't happen at this time

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also for future, when you don't get a reply to your first one, spamming new ones every day or couple days is a sure fire way to ensure the suggestions is disregarded

zinc pendant
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With rising tensions we should do a Panama campaign.

agile cypress
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greenland campaign 🔥

green umbra
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man I just want modern air back

eternal cipher
visual trail
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It's not even for communication, is just a crappy home radio tuned into some radio station to improve morale lol

pine dust
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I dont give a fuck. I want modern.

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lol

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And actualy high quality stuff, not like low quality modern, more like high tech modern. Not RHS m4's but something more appeling to the eye.

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WW2 is fun, but sometimes I want to be able to shoot s guchied out URGI at some enemies or fly some modern aircraft.

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My modern lib addiction is getting withdrawes

rocky glen
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real but like, WW2 is good as well

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I'd be okay with one or two more maps (hopefully with spearhead) of it then maybe give it a rest or it'll be oversaturated like nam is

pine dust
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lol

rocky glen
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same could apply to modern, just switch the weapons and faction around

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welcome to arma 3 ai it's how they're balanced

lapis abyss
hidden oar
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Ww2 has been great just transport is a small issur but only if you die alot been great so far

barren fulcrum
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The transport issue is also being partially solved with the airbase allowing for Chevy gaming and now that we are getting more resources, we have the means to deploy fobs to cut down on those 30+ min round trips

hidden oar
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Hell yeah

rocky glen
cloud slate
umbral glacier
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This campaign is a spoonful and I want the whole 3 course meal

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Not necesarily just ww2

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But the older periods

pine dust
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@gray python the mod your suggesting is a good suggestion, if everyone on the server is trustworthy. This mod has been brought up before and rejected because of the fact that this mod can easily be used to cheat.

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If you set your in came render distance to something super low you can see vics from miles away.

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Even through terrain

zinc aurora
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as a side suggestion, you could remove RTOs from line squads and give SRs to SLs only

zinc aurora
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blud upvoted himself

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also I suggested possibly giving short ranges to SL, with that being the link of commuication

hazy delta
rocky glen
# zinc aurora

it's like liking your own YouTube comment or something

zinc aurora
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something like giving SLs this

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bold harness
rocky glen
bold harness
pine dust
rocky glen
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@fluid imp having it as an ogre thing like flipping vehicles is, would be an amazing idea

pine dust
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@fluid imp I think it would be nice for ogre to have a pushback/recovery vic. Like if a butcher or something gets fliped in the field ogre can just grab a dude to drive the vic out there and then ace interact to flip it or smth. Sounds like a good idea

rocky glen
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rare good yeet suggestion

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ogre tug would be awesome

glad field
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think we used to have it but bugged on the carrier and we used it every map

sinful sable
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@final forum I actually have experimented with a ton of cold war mods, it's absolutely doable and would probably be very fun if done right

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(But we do need many very specific mods to actually make it work, so who knows if they are all available for use by KC Lib)

visual trail
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There's a DLC or 2 for it as well

final forum
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You can fudge some of it. I know that Spearhead gives you pretty much all the British kit for that era. (and to be honest, Cold War Brits are great fun.)

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GlobMob's Cold War German kit is also SUPERB

zinc aurora
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m81 is a vibe in of itself

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sinful sable
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Eh, I mean more technical stuff like aerodynamics labs or POOK SAF and the CWR assets

regal onyx
sinful sable
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And aerodynamics requires SOG PF

final forum
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You'd probably want to avoid making it CDLC dependent, even if SOG & GLOB are perfectly complementary

sinful sable
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Which is actually good since SOG PF meshes a bit better with the non-PF stuff

final forum
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But then again, I own both (and alpha tested one) so I'd play anyway

sinful sable
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So while spearhead or glob aren't entirely necessary but nice, prairie would be since without it we are stuck with a massive air problem because we cannot use aerodynamics labs to restrict some of the aircraft

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(And it actually gives us a lot of cold war Weaponry to work with as a base)

final forum
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Prairie Fire & Nickle Steel might be good for some of the mid cold war armour as well.

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You'd need a decent uniform mod for the kit & webbing.

sinful sable
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I'll have to give you the list of stuff I tested tommorow, but I had tested for US, Britain and West Germany

visual trail
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Yh, it gives a lot of 60s-70s era equipment

sinful sable
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Personally, I believe that at least one of these two (hell, maybe both) nations should be present alongside the US as a minority, more so giving us nice stuff like Roland for Harpy, or GR.7s, etc.

final forum
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GR.7 Harriers at low level is a vibe in and of itself.

eternal cipher
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not just at low level, harriers go brr.

sinful sable
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Yeee, I was actually using the FIR one, it wouldn't be a bad idea since we can give it laser and recce capabilities (so an informal FAC/A), and it's otherwise balanced by it being a subsonic radarless aircraft that cannot mount fox-3s

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(It still has sensors, just no radar to make your life unnecessarily easier)

trail sigil
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#1124647926199758899 message

It was so rough trying to fly when you can't even see what's going on/where you are landing... Good call @lethal oar... Almost forgot about this

lethal oar
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respect to real pilots man, flying with those mono pvs-14's was so disorienting

rocky glen
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I agree, anvis's would be awesome

edgy raptor
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@gray python #1124647926199758899 message
The cessna has very limited seats. it doesn't make sense to use it for paradropping anyone. its purpose is for resupply in the field as it can drop crates for resupply opposed to having to have Ogre drive it in or someone carry it from a stalker flight.

plucky forge
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You can also just paradrop from stalker if you're just trying to get a small group inserted

gray python
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edgy raptor
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Based on the SOP of every fixed wing paradrop requiring an Odin this would limit it even further to the point where it isn't feasible. If your going to drop a small team in like phantom just use a little bird

zinc aurora
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I mean there's not a reason not to have it be able to paradrop

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a 1-8 could say no, but I don't see a reason you shouldn't be able to

agile cypress
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requiring an odin is also a bad rule imo

gray python
rocky glen
agile cypress
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if you're gonna paradrop the entire platoon sure have an odin but for small groups isnt needed

bold harness
rocky glen
rocky glen
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@green umbra BCE + the NSWDG cTab will fuck so hard

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I rlly hope they consider it

regal onyx
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idk anything about bce but the old as windows installation on the tablet makes my eye twitch everytime i see it lmao

green umbra
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BCE just makes CTAB better

crimson briar
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i think we had NSWDG cTab (or another variant) but we took it out cause people were changing there callsigns to stupid shit

barren fulcrum
barren fulcrum
cloud oracle
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and yeah

gray python
zinc aurora
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please, it's not like america has a fighting force specifically designed for quick deployability and fighting in amphibious conditions #1124647926199758899 message

visual trail
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No never

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What would be the point of that

pine dust
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we have been told that we cant do a island hop campaign because the AI dont work with lots of islands.

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sad

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I wanted the island hopping as well lol

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would be a really cool campaign

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#1248944616766443582 message

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#1248944616766443582 message

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ye, no island campaing sadly

hazy delta
zinc aurora
pine dust
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am I not speaking the truth lol

sinful sable
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island hopping is fun

it's also very jank with the spawning system

eternal cipher
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the pla scuba divison will never be forgotten

pine dust
sinful sable
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namely:

  1. the spawning system doesn't actually think of water as somewhere the AI can't spawn because god knows that there's some check missing for that
  2. Because of point 1, two pieces of land separated by water (so two islands where one has nothing and the other has the objective) doesn't mean the AI can't spawn on the island with nothing, and that means that the company now needs to metagame even harder because yes, the AI can and will, infact, spawn on territory it probably has no access to under any logical reasoning.
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the one time I was in an LAV-25 and the AI just outright spawned on the land next to us while we were swimming

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admittedly it makes sense for certain vehicles to spawn in water because a good chunk of Russian vehicles are amphibious, unlike the cuck american ones, but yeah, that's some instant teleportation tech right there

regal onyx
#

Holy yapsoc

bold harness
bold harness
rocky glen
regal onyx
rocky glen
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ofc cosmic got that mf gif on speed dial

regal onyx
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Shot, out
sHoT, oVeR - @zinc aurora

bold harness
bold harness
rocky glen
bold harness
rocky glen
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cause i just found myself a new one

bold harness
bold harness
zinc aurora
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FDC calls "shot, over"
FO responds "shot, out"

rocky glen
hazy delta
regal onyx
rocky glen
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you are now managing partner of yap

bold harness
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imagine if we do an island hopping map and we do rangers right that would be kind of crazy ( inserts that one sticker that botan made of the guy looking to the left but me no have nitro )

regal onyx
zinc aurora
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imagine we do an island hopping map with a force specifcaly designed for amphibous warfare

bold harness
bold harness
rocky glen
cloud oracle
zinc aurora
#

real

regal onyx
hazy delta
gilded folio
pine dust
rocky glen
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💀

bold harness
bold harness
hazy delta
rocky glen
hazy delta
lapis abyss
rocky glen
bold harness
rocky glen
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rwal

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I want LAVs

sinful sable
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and harriers

rocky glen
bold harness
lapis abyss
rocky glen
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@bold harness marbit edit

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so it fixes the wso seat

bold harness
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yeah if u have the link so i can just add it

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cause i cant find it

bold harness
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actual downvoters ...

eternal cipher
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downvoted it just to annoy you bunker, i agree with adding it though

sinful sable
#

I mean, I downvoted it because it shouldn't be at the cost of the F-16

we can use it when we are marines alongside the harrier

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if we wanna get rid of the F-16, we can add the peral version of it

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(and do that to the F-35 as well btw)

bold harness
sinful sable
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tl;dr F/A-18 mod cool, no need to add it at the expense of the FIR F-16 when that should be the F-16V's job

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add it for marine campaign with harrier instead

bold harness
#

i will not interact with rage bait

sinful sable
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ah yes, adding a marine asset only for marine campaigns is rage bait

#

🤡

bold harness
eternal cipher
rocky glen
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realism here is not the priority

bold harness
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nah jake u just dont get it

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"ah yes, adding a marine asset only for marine campaigns is rage bait
🤡"- meanwhile we are doing RANGERS on a fuckin carrier literall room temperature iq in celsius

rocky glen
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real

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eitherway CS decide

bold harness
rocky glen
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and in all honesty, it rpobably wont be added this campaign

bold harness
hazy delta
bold harness
sinful sable
# rocky glen dude we're rangers on a carrier

yeah?

that's hardly my problem

my point is: we have a better mod to do this with now on every other map that isn't like this (and since that thing has some good brakes, we might even be able to do it for this one anyway), we don't need to return to 2022 because of one map

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besides, I am not shooting down the hornet in general, just that it should be kept to the branch of the US armed forces using it

rocky glen
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my point is that (especially this campaign) some assets we've had haven't been accurate to the branch and idk why you're expecting them to do it now anyway

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I'm not gonna change your opinion so let's end it here

sinful sable
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that said, suggesting the bunwell fix is good

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since it fixes the egregious issues I found with it back in the day

hazy delta
rocky glen
sinful sable
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unfortunately for you, no

rocky glen
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i mean the bunwell fix 💀

sinful sable
#

oh

rocky glen
sinful sable
#

but yea, if it returns with the bunwell fix and the fixes work, I'll at least not be mad it's back because some of these issues were incredibly annoying and made me like it even less

rocky glen
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bunwell fix is goated

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you can thank rabbit for that

green umbra
sinful sable
green umbra
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Just saying it would cost the CS having to rework it in instead of keeping the FIR ones

bold harness
pine dust
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@haughty egret

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It has already been discussed with a hard no from the admin team.

haughty egret
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why?

rocky glen
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i think it would probably get abused

visual trail
edgy raptor
agile cypress
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💀

rocky glen
agile cypress
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I would’ve said that to whoever posted it I thought of it as I read it lol

rocky glen
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what did i do to deserve that

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oh

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idk its funny tho Kek

agile cypress
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Was too funny not to say

rocky glen
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fair enough

haughty egret
agile cypress
edgy raptor
haughty egret
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Then they don't give themselves the role to be pinged for it?? What a ridiculous argument

grave mauve
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There's also already too many roles in this server. And we don't want 20 more

haughty egret
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It's not a role giving them an entry ticket to #👮kc_command .. for example.. its a role saying "hey, i like playing this role, I'd like to be pinged if we need someone to play as said role"

haughty egret
green umbra
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People would select it and get mad because they got pinged

agile cypress
haughty egret
green umbra
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Also if admins say they dont wanna implement it they aint doing it lol

haughty egret
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Shame really, just lazy

grave mauve
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It's also not up to the admins. We don't manage roles. We're also just the messengers for things like this

The decision got made by the CS and it's been said every time it gets asked again.

hazy delta
haughty egret
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It's not like its a ridiculous ask

agile cypress
green umbra
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KC Yap Forum fr

rocky glen
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man this is like the least authoritarian discords and this is Discord we are talking about

hazy delta
grave mauve
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Repeatedly is like 2 or 3 times in the last like year. That's definitely not evidence that the community as a whole wants it to me

green umbra
agile cypress
hazy delta
low oak
edgy raptor
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#1124647926199758899 message
You guys can't keep a helicopter alive for a full restart, and you want to try to keep someone alive for an entire campaign?

umbral glacier
magic fable
pine dust
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It was a shitpost…. No way y’all think it’s serious. 💀

regal onyx
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Maybe like stop?

magic fable
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Oh okay. Got it.

crimson briar
eternal cipher
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no genuinely stop with the stupid fucking suggestions.
Best case; they stop getting taken seriously.
Worst case; they stop.

green umbra
lapis abyss
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I feel like the dirt bikes for 1-8 would be good, only issue may potentially be lone wolfing but I don't really see that happening at all this map especially how the points are set up

gray python
pine dust
visual trail
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Just look at the server

pine dust
plucky forge
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Dirt bikes for 1-8 would make Phantom redundant in performing their actual role - performing recon

hazy delta
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Phantom is already redundant in doing recon cuz just use shadow

regal onyx
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i wish we could use phantom as actual recon

glad field
plucky forge
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the AO proc system, while necessary, does pretty much kill any long range recon phantom could do

low oak
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Not really? You can proc then scout

zinc aurora
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you can't hard proc disjointed from platoon

glad field
edgy raptor
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Proc hasn’t really changed. The problem is you guys want to fly them in, drop them off 750mt away from a point and then let them put their OP 200mt off the center of a point. none of that is long range recon.
Drop them 2km back once the AO is decided and tell them to find a OP minimum 1km from any points and you won’t have issues.

visual trail
edgy raptor
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it already is

glad field
visual trail
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it comes with any of the roles really, but people are impatient asf apparently

plucky forge
visual trail
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and the best part is, snipers do recon

plucky forge
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I guess 'marksman' would better fit what I mean. They grab the role so they can shoot things from far away, not so they can pass information to the platoon

edgy raptor
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Phantom should be perpendicular to the platoon and calling in updates like,
"1-1, Phantom on 31. 200mt SouthEast of your POS there is a bunker. recommend CFF before advancing towards OBJ"
Instead they go, holy shit a bunker lets snipe everyone.

plucky forge
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And get wiped in the process

gilded folio
visual trail
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you can also get fires onto it by coordinating with 1-8, that way you dont need to risk getting spotted

cloud slate
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It's better to stay concealed than LARP as a Rifle Squad

lapis abyss
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Unrelated but:

It feels like the AI skill has gotten a lot better and it's more of a challenge which is nice, only thing being having to hit them like minimum 2-3 times in the head still sometimes only makes them go uncon, and more about 7-10 in the chest from my personal experience. Otherwise this campaign has been really fun

edgy raptor
lapis abyss
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gotcha

zinc pendant
visual trail
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Obviously it depends on how far away you are and where the round hits

zinc pendant
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They can (stop) pistol rounds, but even then it isn't looking good.\

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\

eternal cipher
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helmets are designed to protect against shrapnel, low mass debris & happen to sometimes stop pistol rounds.
they are there to stop artillery mating with your skull.

visual trail
eternal cipher
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the amount of energy imparted on your skull from modern rifle rounds would snap your neck, nevermind any piercing wounds.

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they can ricochet rounds, dont get me wrong. but a flat on 5.56 is going through any helmet outside of highly prototyped russian ones.

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which even then, after receiving that round, you're going to be drinking through a straw for a bit

visual trail
zinc pendant
eternal cipher
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maybe the very first round on a brand new helmet, but even then its too many variables.

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either way, helmets dont protect you from bullets. they're for shrapnel & debris. as well as a bit of noggin protection in vehicles

visual trail
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The IHPS is also designed to stop rifle rounds

eternal cipher
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What source, and which rounds?

visual trail
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Other times the rounds will be caught but cause too much deformation that the helmet caves into the skull

eternal cipher
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also, "stop" or protect from. A heavy enough helmet will stop it, but the energy transfer will have you knocked tf out with potential internal bleeding

visual trail
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Didn't garand thumb do a video where he shot several guns at the IHPS

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Of which it stopped a 5.56 round

eternal cipher
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5.56 combat round, or civillian grade

visual trail
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And that was relatively close ranged considering a lot of engagements are further out

eternal cipher
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m856A1 / m855a1 will abso fucking lutely go straight through

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but firing m193 ball, or civillian grade 223 yeah sure you might get a stop from deformation

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ive not seen the video, but i imagine its on a static mannequin bolted to a table?

visual trail
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"The exact ballistic capabilities of the ECH and IHPS have not been disclosed to the public, but it is believed that both helmets are capable of stopping 7.62x39mm and lead-cored 5.56x45mm ball rounds at muzzle velocity, and also offer standoff protection from 7.62x51mm M80 ball."

From https://www.ade.pt/bulletproof-helmets/#:~:text=IHPS helmet with multicam cover,from 7.62x51mm M80 ball.

Adept
admin
Bulletproof Helmets: Are Ballistic Helmets Bulletproof?

A critical review of combat helmets - focused on whether ballistic helmets are bulletproof and the other protective properties of modern combat helmets.

eternal cipher
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"believed"

visual trail
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This does also depend on distance and where the round hits for obvious reasons

visual trail
edgy raptor
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its a game. do you want hyper realism where everyone dies immediately to a headshot? if so you guys are in alot of trouble cause everyone goes on about how the AI is "aimbot"

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you'd mass cas on every single engagement

visual trail
zinc pendant
# visual trail "The exact ballistic capabilities of the ECH and IHPS have not been disclosed to...

The youtuber I'm linking here is Oxide, he does a lot of ballistic tests on different body armor, I highly suggest him. I'm not saying this is an end all be all, but, the helmet will not save your life from even a 9mm Czech made S&B round that anyone could purchase at a walmart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoZBTSB49Pc

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Oxide
US Army's NEW IHPS Helmet vs Russian 7N21-1

#IHPS #7n21-1 #helmet
It did not do well
Basic test data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WBYpv9_chNyuqBWmyfmPPOzFahQq7IXSHjeZCVFhCMc/edit?usp=sharing
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visual trail
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Which version of it because iirc, there's one that's only resistant to shrapnel and one that's resistant to rifle rounds

zinc pendant
zinc pendant
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anyways you should check him out he has some pretty cool vids

eternal cipher
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devils advocate, but ofc that failed against "civillian grade" the helmet was twice compromised.

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but still, 7n21` is a russian 'ap' cartridge, but if its designed to stop rifle rounds as callum claims. it would have stopped 7n21

visual trail
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Shit helmet, can't stop a single rifle round
the 15 other rounds that's damaged the helmet

eternal cipher
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tldr. helmets suck, but getting shot in the uncovered head sucks a LOT more

zinc pendant
eternal cipher
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ikr, i hate these people who do pen testing videos, but use the same helmet for every test. i get it would be expensive to use different ones. but dont try give conclusive results when you've peppered it with everything in your gun cabinet

plucky forge
#

Only issue I had with how Bulldog was implemented was their vehicles. Bulldog were the only ones able to use the landrovers, but they could freely use the US transport vehicles. This resulted in several cases where either landrovers were stranded in the field with nobody around who could start recovering them, or US units being stranded surrounded by a bunch of infantry transport vehicles that they weren't allowed to use.

regal onyx
eternal cipher
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could just be they get priority on it, but others can use it if no bulldog element

grave mauve
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@zealous dagger from my knowledge, yes and no.

Mods like that do exist, but we tried a couple a while back when we were experimenting with combinations of AI mods. All of the ones we tested made the AI just horribly stupid.

One single blade of grass would mean they no longer shoot at the squad of guys 20 ft away from them

Arma does have built in folliage "obscurity" but I'm not certain if it works on the 2d grass, or only asset based folliage (bushes, trees, etc)

hazy delta
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Just let us disable grass again

gray python
regal onyx
gray python
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this is the one the antistais group I play with use

zealous dagger
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I rather have fun then getting frustrated

regal onyx
edgy raptor
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Trade off. We find a mod that makes ai not shoot through grass. But in turn we improve their accuracy by 25%.

gray python
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that seems fine to me

cobalt frigate
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Good trade, all for it

rocky glen
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thats fair

eternal cipher
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fair trade, punishes bad positioning and poor SA. rewards stealth and concealment

half stone
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...you do realize how often bad positioning and poor situational awareness is the cause, right?

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gray python
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situational awareness is impossible when im strolling through the amazon rain forest of grass, while still getting spotted by ei from a light year away from me

zealous dagger
low oak
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This would kill everyone’s cpu

cobalt frigate
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@umbral glacier Lib will never make a non US Lib

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No point in voting

gray python
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Non USA is never gonna happen. The exception would be a sci fi campaign the mods and staff have talked about

cobalt frigate
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oh god please no

gray python
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But we would still be playing as whatever is closest to the Us

cobalt frigate
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it's going to be a literall one restart campaign

gray python
cobalt frigate
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then it's going to be 15people average gameplay

gray python
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Halo campagin next

cobalt frigate
#

no

gray python
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Yep

cobalt frigate
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horrible idea

gray python
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John lib told me

plucky forge
#

40k

gray python
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Sounds fun

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Biggest issue with ww2 was transportation times

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Sci fi wouldn’t suffer with that

grave mauve
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Odin are Sisters of Battle AyameWinkA

plucky forge
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We found out that the past didn't work. Time for the future

umbral glacier
grave mauve
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Wait...if we do a 40k campaign, it would be lore accurate for me to execute you guys for blasphemy or treason against the God Emperor

Sign me up!

gray python
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Would squad leads be commissars?

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No retreat

plucky forge
#

1-7

granite cape
crimson briar
strange meteor
hidden oar
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Seiosuly could we get a 40k campaign?

gray python
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the warhammer mods actually have a good vehicle variety

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Also they actually have aa turrets and vehicles for bluefor

strange meteor
#

Krieg Savage batteries go fucking hard too.

granite cape
gray python
plucky forge
# strange meteor Krieg Savage batteries go fucking hard too.

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hidden oar
cobalt frigate
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Real

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I haven't seen a single FW

regal onyx
edgy raptor
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It should be an open channel. some people that use the asset don't have command perms and it should be on them to report, not others in the community

agile cypress
hazy delta
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does he know

cobalt frigate
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Chevy doesn't count kekw

rocky glen
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he does not know at all

oak galleon
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#1124647926199758899 message

@hidden oar While I very much like the idea, I think the concerns are that 1) this doesn't fit with the current perm system where it's more of a knowledge check than maturity/competence check, 2) it did not go well in the past when this was present, and perhaps most importantly 3) Lib isn't optimised to allow players to operate behind enemy lines - you'd just proc all points around and possibly crash the server/seriously impact player perf

rocky glen
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going behind enemy lines is literally against the rules for that reason lol

gray python
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yeah going behind lines is only really possible in a game mode like antistasi where points are much more spread out

edgy raptor
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I don't speak for the CS but its absolutely not going to happen. The purpose of liberation is to be a casual / public, infantry focused "milsim" experience. Additional roles, especially ones that if pushed behind lines, do not operate in support of the main infantry force are not the direction that KC will be going.

hazy delta
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make fantum full cag team 6 with 5-6 man and a medic to support platoon trust

edgy raptor
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with Shadow in Modern it takes away from the long range recon that Phantom is supposed to provide and they are essentially a Sniper team that ends up doing whatever they want.
For Modern Phantom should be removed entirely and each assassin squad should get 1x Marksman role with a DMR, no bolt actions.

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Each of those Marksman roles should require the Phantom perm, same way that Viper requires it in Nam.

hazy delta
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Fully disagree with above statement

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Bozo marksmen would just run alone and do marksmen shit

edgy raptor
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opposed to how everyone seems to play phantom now?

hazy delta
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rn 2 fantum is required to step so they're not lone wolfing

edgy raptor
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and if you as a potential marksman in a squad you leave and do your own thing you are lone wolfing and will receive strikes or lose perm outright.

hazy delta
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I mean there wasnt the same train of thought when y'all removed goblin medics so

edgy raptor
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those were removed for different reasons and i have requested they add atleast one back but that ones out of my control

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Don't get me wrong, i get that people like the phantom role, but since they lost the drone they are have been neutered and are not really a benefit for modern. Nam or if we do anything else with lower tech, they are 100% needed

trail sigil
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Easier to know if some guy is out lone wolfing if his ENTIRE squad hasn't seen him since they all stepped FOB with each other. Much easier to get strikes out.

edgy raptor
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From a Platoon / medic perspective, phantom is also a liability. How many times a restart do you hear "Phantom Mascas" or they just die and end up back at fob.

trail sigil
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I stopped really running phantom modern because of that exact reason... Banshee or 9 always going out to fix them up or them having to run back for PAK's due to pushing too far, Phantom Nam is where it's at

visual trail
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Phantoms fine until people think they are elite owoperwator cag team delta and try to take out the entire point on their own and get into as many engagements as possible

trail sigil
regal onyx
hidden oar
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But what if we reserved thosr supporting units for kog/kt kind and give them better stuff since people in those units are more used to working togheter?
Even if we are from different sections of the unit

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Or for example paradrop on a closely targete point or on a point thats we are attacking

edgy raptor
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then it becomes an "old boys club" and the general population gets left out.

hidden oar
cobalt frigate
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Separating your low enough as it is playerbase like that is only going to cause more issues lol

glad field
#

45 dudes and barely a full infantry squad half the time. No thanks

hidden oar
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Well the playerbase is not struggling that bad and alteast my kt guys rarely is on the server so it might bring some guys from kt

glad field
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Server isn't for KT guys my dude. Nearly all of them came from this server, their choice to stop playing. People aren't going to adjust the entire gameplay loop just to pander to a select few

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If anything. Let KT or all of the KOG guys play as opfor. That would be a spicy one

edgy raptor
hidden oar
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Well yeah i can see that but then again opfor can be a dirsuptive role and can be hard to play against

agile cypress
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if opfor players are on the server anything bad that happens to blufor is instantly blamed on them

trail sigil
#

I like flying stalker and reinserts going "KOG just wiped us back to FOB"... none of us are logged in an OPFOR slot...

agile cypress
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having captured like 20 of them during vietnam it really is just a skill issue on blufor side and it is what it is the server is public you cant expect random people to be able to deal with them

trail sigil
agile cypress
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im still of the opinion more opfor players is a good thing though

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blufor attitudes towards it are the issue

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easier for CS to just not have opfor play

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by limiting numbers and gear ect

agile cypress
rocky glen
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id love more kogfor

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and for them to actually be an issue to us so we dont pulverise through 3-4 points a restart

agile cypress
rocky glen
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bruuuuuh

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i wish i couldve been there that sounded so fun

agile cypress
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blufor was just pushing down the side of a hill in full view of the opfor players and getting taken out like fish in a barrel

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took them 3 hours to attack from a different direction

rocky glen
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💀

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just give them all iglas i'm sure that would be fun

agile cypress
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i will say the igla did get somewhat abused/overused by somebody who had opfor perms but afaik in the end they got dealt with

rocky glen
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thats fair

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but if theyre just playing the game

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then we have a skill issue

agile cypress
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the point of opfor isnt just to kill as many blufor as possible though

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should be creating fun while also being challenging

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its a thin line

rocky glen
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yeah it sounds hard to balance

agile cypress
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easy to cross it unintentionally as opfor aswell

rocky glen
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they really add to immersion during actual ops

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the rare times we do them anyway

agile cypress
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because you actually have to pull security ect

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not fighting brainless ai

rocky glen
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the metagaming people do with it is kinda ehh as well

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like hunting kog and stuff

agile cypress
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as long as the 1-6 is ok with it then its fine imo

rocky glen
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hunting kog instead of attacking the objective is kinda dumb
if kog are in the way of the objective or the 6's intent then yeah

agile panther
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the problem with that is people would misuse a unit like that (we had it in the past) hell people allready get decisively engaged with our current recon element.

hidden oar
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Yeah i would like more opfor but they seem hard to find tough haha

agile panther
plucky forge
agile cypress
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if you're doing something to help the platoon that 1-6 is happy with isnt lone wolfing

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imo

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even if you arent directly attacking the obj

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limiting things to you must be attacking the obj is kinda pointless imo it isnt a speedrun to cap the map

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most of the time

rocky glen
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fair

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i still think it just has to be related

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but it depends

plucky forge
# rocky glen but if theyre just playing the game

Happened a couple times where they got on to specifically shoot down an apache that had been purchased, and then shit talk in discord about it...

IIRC, it was meta-gaming stuff like this and kog freely moving through blufor points that got them temporarily removed and more restricted

rocky glen
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that's dumb

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and they shouldn't be in blufor points like at all unless it's the front lines fighting us normally

plucky forge
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yup...

glad field
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$20 a month to slot as opfor. Karmakut you are welcome.

agile panther
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at the end of the day the whole reason KOGFOR exists is to provide a more engaging level of play for the server. the problem is everyone becomes like the seagulls from finding nemo the second anyone sees KOGFOR on the server and it was detracting from the gameplay loop. additionally KOGFOR personnell were not adhering to their SOPs and metagaming excessively. As I understand it all the SOP's exist so that no one element can massively detract from any other elements ability to have a fun experience on the server and no lie, its hard as hell to strike that balance between a whole combined arms unit. this is the reason the SOP's get revisited so often and some specialty units get removed and re-added over time.

hazy delta
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crazy yapsoc but they dont play the game so

agile cypress
bold harness
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Real

rocky glen
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Real

proud axle
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There is alot of truth in this: https://discordapp.com/channels/299304308363755522/1248944616766443582/1347614234388860998....

Additionally on KOGFOR, its not at all balanced for them as lib is not a PvP focus at all...it is absolutely asymmetrical and for good reason. So from a KOGFOR POV its not easy to just jump on and do stuff cuz also when its found they are on, it is a focus of the server which makes life more difficult for them not including map terrain/cover which differs map to map.....also it is required that for them to be on, BLUFOR count needs to be 50+ and that number is not met consistently at all....and that 50+ is required for balance reasons......low BLUFOR numbers, you never know what is slotted example: maybe you got 3 OGRE/2 stalker/PLs/8....point is you could have many roles being played that are non-combat roles and therefor in PvP play could drastically flip favor in KOGFOR play and thats not the intent with KOGFOR...

All in all the balance/SOPs for everything is ever changing to maintain fluidity as to not have gameplay that takes away from intent of lib play.....(without going into extreme detail to put it simply)

as for KOGFOR breaking SOPs, ye sure it happens but not on a regular basis and they are held accountable if it does take place, I just dont air that out for everyone to hear about just the same for BLUFOR...

green umbra
bold harness
zinc aurora
regal onyx
green umbra
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I want one

rocky glen
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@bold harness no laser guided

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bad

bold harness
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i forgor

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boss

rocky glen
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all good

hazy delta
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all good

regal onyx
zinc aurora
lethal edge
rocky glen
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cs have confirmed countless times it's US only and non-sof

visual trail
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Rangers are sof

rocky glen
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ok i forgor

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i doubt we'll get any other nato force though

visual trail
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They've said a few times, US only

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Best you'll get is 2-1 and 2-2 being attached nato forces

bold harness
obsidian kestrel
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@hidden oar no, thats worse. Firefights gonna end in mascas all the time. They can see through grass.

hidden oar
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Is there a difference in the different ai factions on like seeing trough grass and all that?

rocky glen
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it's just how they work

zinc aurora
rocky glen
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Yeah, unless you make it like 10k all but it's better off removed

zinc aurora
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heavily agree on the non infantry focused part especially since infantry can't use the laser designator to guide it

rocky glen
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It also just promotes metagaming between shadow

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Shadow ends up calling the strikes 90% of the time and it kinda takes away from their actual job which is ISR

plucky forge
zinc aurora
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doesn't really make much sense for a naval VLS system to be on the ground anyway.

zinc aurora
rocky glen
plucky forge
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I played around a bit more with the GPS version before posting, otherwise it would probably would have been a third option. I kept running into issues where I couldn't get it to lock what I wanted when multiple targets were nearby, or wouldn't display the target at all, so I left it as just "remove or nerf"

rocky glen
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yeahh

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the only VLS I approve of is the one full of RIM-116's

strange meteor
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Aegis fucks

hazy delta
rocky glen
zinc aurora
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instead of a VLS we should just have an arleigh burke as an asset

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(jk)

rocky glen
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Based

gray python
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Seems like jumping right to the nuclear option of removing it is silly. If you want to remove it's utility of just being better (when it works) thn the guns. cut it's ammo count by like 90% and give it a much longer reload time. This makes it closer to what the missiles would actually be used for which is striking super high priority targets.

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This would also allow us to switch to the gps variant because the amount of marks would be negligible compared to the amount it would have with the current 24 missile count if I recall correctly it has as of now

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This frees up shadow from having to stop doing isr. allows 8's and squadleads to coordinate it better with grids, and stop's the jank of it just not seeing lase's sometimes

plucky forge
# gray python Seems like jumping right to the nuclear option of removing it is silly. If you w...

As far as I am aware, neither of those options can effectively be done. The VLS's ammo capacity is tied to the weapon itself, so you would have to make a custom version with a limited ammo. You also aren't able to adjust ACE's rearm rates for a single vehicle type, so slowing it down for the VLS would slow it down for everything. If you know of how to implement either of those, then it might work, but I don't personally know of a way to effectively implement either of those solutions.

plucky forge
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Again, I could be mistake on any of those and you're free to correct me if I am. I'm not saying any of them are bad solutions, I just don't know of a good way to implement them. I suggested either removing it or increasing the price since both of those options are pretty straightforward to implement.

raven sable
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I feel like some kind of battalion artillery would probably be the only way other than removing it as the vls is bought because its basically indestructible and will always be worth it's price

glad field
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I find the asset economy is just due another bit of a revisit. Think we will all agree last map once we got rolling it was easy to get assets, we lost a lot to human error but after the first week and a bit we never really struggled to replace assets/didn't have to prioritise as we had all the resources

rocky glen
hidden oar
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Firefights and all that were pretty safe i feel for me atleast

edgy raptor
umbral glacier
rocky glen
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should be self explanatory if WW2 got cancelled 💀

visual trail
spiral veldt
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I would just remove it

regal onyx
visual trail
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theres also a few good mods that extend the vanilla stuff

green umbra
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XM7 RAHHH

glad field
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Any Altis campaign would be a good one

edgy raptor
cobalt frigate
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the biggest high ground on this map is a hangar kekw

edgy raptor
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What’s stopping you from doing this, other than it being a bad idea.

#📷kc_content message

cobalt frigate
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Yurzaw wanted to put the nasam on the hangar, I told him it's not going to work, he didn't believe me kekw

edgy raptor
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And then his cat turned off his computer.

cobalt frigate
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I'm not even kidding, 5 minutes after that his internet came out

edgy raptor
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There is a 50/50 chance that his cat will cause a computer or internet go out during a restart.

cobalt frigate
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or a rat

granite cape
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his cat should stay away from network cables kekg

regal onyx
cobalt frigate
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It got there by not natural means kekw

regal onyx
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thats not a story the jedi would tell you

cobalt frigate
granite cape
strange meteor
rocky glen
strange meteor
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... can I have one?

cobalt frigate
rocky glen
strange meteor
hazy delta
rocky glen
regal onyx
strange meteor
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Yeah, you're absolutely right, I don't get it lmao

regal onyx
rocky glen
regal onyx
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harpy is also forklift certifed now

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regal onyx
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Ngl bro @green umbra i think the new animate is dookie

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Plus it requires a second mod (albeit small)

green umbra
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nah but weapon canting

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its just the core mod for all the TSP stuff

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its not big

barren fulcrum
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#1124647926199758899 message @hidden oar how on earth is that supposed to work? People have lives and are not going to be playing for 5 whole days. If there isn't a large amount of people on, KK doesn't work

granite cape
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If you dont hurry, youre gonna be stuck with monday night/tuesday morning lol

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Cool idea like a MilSimWest airsoft event, but yeah, I duno how well the server would like that

regal onyx
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You must be in full gear at your desk, no exceptions

barren fulcrum
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Yeah it would be really fun to do but we barely have the numbers to do KK some saturdays so itll sadly never work

regal onyx
barren fulcrum