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[agile cypress]

so intentions were to have better nvgs this campaign just didnt work it

[rocky glen]

i'd still love pano nods for air roles though

maybe not the actual GPNVG-18s but the predecessors

not sure if they exist in a mod

[agile cypress]

rotary should definetely have something in between what fixed wing pilots get and infantry though

[rocky glen]

yes

wider FOV but compromises resolution

[trail sigil]

the PVS are so bad for FOV flying, but yes, maybe not the 18's, but quad nods to get a better FOV while flying

[rocky glen]

yes

i dont think i've really seen how panoramic nvgs work in arma

[crimson briar]

Basically think of a Abrams drivers pov

[rocky glen]

oh so they work how they do IRL

good to know

thought arma would be dumb and make them basically fullscreen rather than 97 degrees of fov

[crimson briar]

Yeah but that’s with a certain mod that we don’t use

[rocky glen]

i see

[crimson briar]

The quads that were part of us soc are basically vanilla vision, one big oval on your screen

[rocky glen]

oh ew

it should be lookin something like this

[crimson briar]

Yeah basically

But sadly doesn’t

[rocky glen]

we can just buy them irl-

[trail sigil]

If we all chip in, we can get 1 pair to mail and share with eachother

[rocky glen]

if everyone in this server gave 1 dollar we could afford a pair and have over $13,000 to spare

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/night-vision-anime-death-glowie-fbi-gif-19375688

[craggy turtle]

@trail sigil #1124647926199758899 message is that what the quads were originally designed for or something? is to give pilots better field of view at night

swear I read or watched something on that on YT

[cobalt frigate]

I still can't find a consistent way of triggering pvs15 full screen bug

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-hmm-gif-2748512355730790146

[cloud oracle]

Beans said it was my turn with the GPNVGs

[edgy raptor]

#1124647926199758899 message

@low oak check the 777 and paladin loadout

One of them should have minefields

So in theory if you have shadow online to FO you could set minefields behind enemy lines

[sinful sable]

I think it was the M777

One of them does have cluster minefields

[agile cypress]

It’s the paladin

I think it’s an issue of people not bothering most of the time, savage should be firing them for the first 30mins while platoon gets ready to deploy to AO

Could mine most roads and objs that are likely targets

[edgy raptor]

We have a habit of not prepping for BG until it’s on us

[agile cypress]

He’s right in saying goblin / ogre minefields are useless though would be nice if we had a vic that could do it or a mine dispenser that can be carried in the backpack and fired

[edgy raptor]

i wouldn't say they are useless, they just take alot of time and prep which both roles could be utilized in better ways

[regal onyx]

While I don't think there's anything in base game or mod that can do that there is a script I found for example
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3233339395

[edgy raptor]

Only downside. More scripts more server stress less fps

[regal onyx]

Exactly

Cool concept though

[edgy raptor]

Very cool concept. But for now let’s maybe reinforce and practice defensive fire missions and lay some minefields.

[odd echo]

Ive never had luck with the minefield rounds. Never actually killed any vehicles in a BG with them and when I tested it in the editor it never actually landed any of the mines on the road properly

[agile cypress]

The accuracy isn’t great for roads better to fire directly onto objs from experience, even then unless you fire a lot odds are fairly low of getting a kill

[edgy raptor]

It only shoots 5 mines if I remember right. Best to line up and fire 2-3 times at one spot. The dispersion in the air may get one shot on the point

[agile cypress]

if they disperse the same as cluster the spread isnt random so they'll drop in the same pattern every time so best to move around a bit

fired them a few times but never drove over to go see how they spread out

[low oak]

yeah thats kinda why i was looking at a vehicle maybe, terrain specifics and setting traps is kinda hard with the spread on it at range especially

[light rock]

yea thats why i was thinking something more simple like a bot for the discord or something in the forums but i deff get it was just throwing the idea out is all

[orchid pumice]

Not sure if its a lack of pilots or what, but last night I sat at alpha fob for about 35 mins before I just left the sever. The one pilot for about 40 people got shot down, so a few us just sat at the base forever.

[lapis abyss]

was this going for the radar station?

like 12 hours ago

[orchid pumice]

affirm

[lapis abyss]

there was a hind that smacked stalker and we didnt have a 1-6 available to put a PB down

was totally out of anyones control

[orchid pumice]

ok

[proud axle]

Also, depending on what population was, either way...sometimes there is no stalker/OGRE on for inserts, just the way it is on our 24/7 lib server, so players make adjustments, sometimes its a SL that drives back and forth from FOB to AO inserting/etc......low pop makes tricky for logistics overall, unfortunately nothing to be done about it. waiting around for inserts is never fun, especially if you dont have alot of play time to wait for certain roles to be slotted but that just happens sometimes.....

[zinc aurora]

@lapis abyss #1124647926199758899 message
COP?

[regal onyx]

Combat Outpost

[slate creek]

Servers been heating up and im all for it!

[glad field]

give us the COP back but make it so it is reusable and put the price through the roof

[gray python]

What did the cop do?

[glad field]

u deploy it to the field, and it gives u like a mini RRR station for vehicles, can't remember or not if it used to give you an ogre pit too

[gray python]

Was it like a container you'd bring into the field?

[glad field]

nah, you drive it out then deploy via scroll wheel i think and it becomes like a fixed object you can ace interact with iirc, really cool but we never utilised it very much, but now a lot more assets are played a lot more consistently, it removes the need for a full ogre team in the field constantly and with the amount of assets we use it would definitely be viable, but it was super OP when used... don't think there was a limit on range for deployment either. which is why i suggest we put the price real high, so when we are at a point like we are now lots of resources but decent chunk of map left, it becomes feasible to use and the price puts us off buying it early on in a map if possible

it was sort of a "crutch" because we used to abuse the hell out the hemmt for rearming... that got removed and we got the COP option instead

[gray python]

It sounds interesting, how big was the vehicle? was it like another HEMTT truck

[glad field]

yeah it looked like a flatbed with a big container thing on the back iirc

a bit like if you load one of the rearm/refuel/repair containers on the flatbed now i think

[gray python]

It sounds good, I mean we can pretty much do that right now since we are allowed to bring bought containers and triple r trucks into the field

I see no reason we couldn't bring it back

[glad field]

yeah, either the rearm truck (maybe nerfed somehow) or a COP-type option back on the build list would do me either way. logistics is fun a lot it just gets annoying when you're 1-manning for 5 assets and a full platoon

[odd echo]

As a reminder, the COP was removed because it was insanely expensive for being a one-use tool. We tried for a long time to make suggestions to improve it but to no avail, so we instead switched it out with PBs in the end

It is a really useful tool but the only way I'd like to see it come back is either a somewhat cheaper option that's one-use or expensive but re-usable. When we suggested these ideas they werent favored by CS

[naive kayak]

Honestly we can make our own Walmart cop, we just have to bring the assets out to the field

[glad field]

yeah im down to try it out a fe wtimes

[zealous dagger]

#1124647926199758899 message @visual trail Lowkey you got a point

It’s annoying getting to a mascas and it being delt with because people wounds got clotted

[visual trail]

ikr, i got lit up by a PKM and 1 minute later i wake back up, not bleeding

its the same with enemies, its annoying to shoot someone 3 times with a scar and he wakes up 4 minutes later

[zealous dagger]

Facts bruh

Don’t get me wrong it’s nice waking up to your wounds being clotted but it’s at that point where I don’t even patch myself up and let it happen

[zinc aurora]

its nice having wounds clot up, but i do agree it should be turned down a bit

[zealous dagger]

I say make it extra 10 or 15 secs more for the wound to clot

[visual trail]

yh, large avulsions shouldnt clot after 10 seconds of being down

[naive kayak]

#1124647926199758899 message @tulip cave from the read me

[rocky glen]

its less about the age and more maturity imo

[naive kayak]

agreed, but you can have 21 yr old acting like a 15 yr old so age requirements arent gonna be a thing for roles, but if the maturity isnt being met than that whould be reported to admis

[zealous dagger]

Facts bruh

There’s adults who don’t know how to act right and there’s kids who do know how to act right but honestly it’s a risk

Don’t get me wrong I’ve seen kids who can lead better then most dudes but since their age nobody takes them serious

But I’ve also seen kids who shouldn’t be here at all well because they’re kids

[tacit pasture]

What's wrong with a know it all kid anyways. People terrified by the prospect of a kid knowing what they are doing? I would rather have a know it all kid then a 21 year old that doesn't know his left from his right

[edgy raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/halig-dwarf-chris-skorvira-fables-d20-fables-of-eyrde-gif-7412012990262084233

[tulip cave]

my actual point was kids that dont 'actually' know what theyre talking about

not even kids, just other players

[edgy raptor]

Hence what the perms are for.

[zealous dagger]

Ain’t gonna lie bro there’s people who don’t deserve any fucking perms

[edgy raptor]

CS and admins clearly think otherwise or they would not have them. Just because someone doesn’t agree with how another person plays doesn’t mean they don’t deserve the perms

[naive kayak]

thats true, but also the perm tests are pretty easy, you'd kinda have to try to fail em. PLUS the banshee and 9 exams still use the old ace stuff and not KAT

[visual trail]

perm tests dont in any way test competency in a role

half of them just test if you can recognise a few vehicles

and its multiple choice so you get a 1/3 chance of getting it lol

[timber shale]

There's really no way to have completely fleshed out asset exams that make sure you know everything that is needed without becoming overburdening on the admins that grade them.

[grave mauve]

I personally don't see people not being extremely competent in their role being that big of a deal.

1. There's plenty of people around who can help them out
2. This is a public server, not a Milsim group, not everyone is going to have ever been trained
3. The only way to improve is to do it
4. What's the consequence?

Other than for flight roles (which we require you to record a video so you're at least competent), pretty much every permission will not make or break the server on their own

Also in the SOPs it quoted this:

• If you do not feel capable in the roles, seek out guidance from other permission holders in the Server and Discord, and utilize the Training Server to practice with the equipment available

If there is someone who is literally incapable of performing their duties in ANY slot, even non-permed ones, y'all can reach out to us.

Even with Odin's in the server (which there isn't always), we can't or at least don't often notice things like that. If someone/something is an issue, and you need to tell us

[proud axle]

well said, and to add....because this is a 24/7 public server, the tests are more for a "knowing of SOPs and rules"....honestly the lib server is best categorized as "milsim light"....we encourage the purest of "milsim" but being its a server for anyone to join at any time, its not feasible nor possible to train everyone up. We still encourage players to attend trainings/etc but its not mandatory. Also whether you believe it or not, we do hold players accountable for breaking SOPs, we just dont share with the public when action has been taken. I do understand that some "more hardcore" players want more, better "milsim" whether its squad CQB, 1 to 1 radio etiquette/etc, but again all that is just not feasible to train up for our 24/7 lib servers......ive seen time and time again, even "veteran" players of lib be very casual about the "milsim" aspect of the server...even gets to me sometimes so i do feel the sentiment but this is what 24/7 liberation is....milsim light....hopefully you get players lead by example and set standards but there will always be a player(s) who dont take it as serious or put in the work to get to that full milsim standard. To be 100% honest, if you are looking for hardcore milsim its just not lib...try applying for KOG/KT, or im sure there are other servers that offer that experience you want but hardcore milsim is just not lib. Just like when i play, i do my best to lead by example and put effort into the "milsim" side of it but every player is different....Running lib as a full pure milsim would require, exams and trainings everyday, especially considering the variations of roles on server, and i say everyday they would have to be because so many players of different time zones/play time/etc....just not doable for 24/7 lib...admins are not paid, all volunteer and the manpower/time to pull that off would be insane....anyways...i rambled here but i hope you get it

[zealous dagger]

So y’all will change the 1-9 and banshee exam since we use kat now?

Tbh I don’t care about the other perms but the 1-9 and banshee exam needs to be changed

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message

https://tenor.com/view/joe-biden-biden-presidential-debate-huh-confused-gif-4375529952616887689 are we playing on the same server ?

[snow grove]

idk man, having my wounds automatically clot and naturally waking up after laying 5 minutes in an unmarked minefield is such a pleasurable experience

[gray python]

Medical is better now for the infantry then ever before, with how effective clotting is you sometimes fix yourself before you even need bandages

[visual trail]

Honestly you could get away with a medic just carrying a surgical kit and maybe a few bags of blood lol, and half the time you wont need the blood because of how strong the stitching is

[cobalt frigate]

Medical is way too easy right now

[craggy turtle]

@rocky vale #1124647926199758899 message

We used to have it, but something to do with lag and shit, admins removed it, idk if it'll come back

[rocky vale]

Sad...it should still be whitelisyed for those that want to run it client side

[craggy turtle]

Used to be like that but it got removed due to like lag or desync or ig

[zealous dagger]

#1124647926199758899 message @haughty widget
Most of the drugs value has been changed

Most stuff on the exam is old and not up to date since we switched

Now i don’t know what value has been effected but I know for sure that most drugs that I never used in pharmacy I do now because it doesn’t punish your HR or BP as much

[zinc aurora]

@leaden thistle i mean every time we've played as marines or rangers, riflemen have had accsess to lpvos which basically gives them a marksman capablity

i'd be more in favor of letting snipers run with the rifle squad

or maybe limit them to dmrs only or something

[odd echo]

Dudes with DMRs are a platoon level asset, not squad organic

[hazy delta]

Tbh It would make sense just like we had viper in nam attach

[odd echo]

Company*

[hazy delta]

Shut up abele

😂

[odd echo]

Nah attaching is fine thats good

[hazy delta]

Agreed

[odd echo]

Im just saying not every squad should have a dmr

[hazy delta]

Real

[odd echo]

Cause its platoon level. Like 1 dude with an M110 hanging out with HQ or attached to a unit

Most likely SBF or ISBF

Marines have an organic marksman but its literally a dude with an M27 IAR with a longer range scope.

The entire squad uses the 416, even AR which I find somewhat funny. "You get a bipod and hold down the trigger more in firefights"

[hazy delta]

Yeah

Basically let cag fantum attach to line just like viper could in nam since they re basically the same thing

Maybe 2nd fantom team 🤔

[odd echo]

Rizz up 1-6 to attach to 1-4

[hazy delta]

I'm talking to when there's only 1 phantom guy on

Since rn per SOPs they can't step off alone

[odd echo]

Ye just the 1 guy with an M110

[hazy delta]

Or boltie

Also we don't get the m110

Only scar-h or Barrett or the boltie

[odd echo]

Not even the sniper role?

[hazy delta]

Nuh uh

[hazy delta]

istg you told them so many words but actually said so little 💀

iirc amonium values are changed again

fentanyl is a drug we didnt have in ace pharm

[hazy delta]

rest idfk cuz i dont remember the questions

in banshee exam

hr / amonium wake up system is different

[zealous dagger]

I forgot the exam so I wanna know what’s in the exam and from there I can say what’s old and what’s new

[hazy delta]

MARCH is still the same tho

cuz no airways

[zealous dagger]

Don’t know what that is but ya

[hazy delta]

CPR is the same

in the sense that you just do compressions there's nothing new

[zealous dagger]

Dawg just type a whole paragraph stop sending these one sentences

[hazy delta]

nah

im thinking blud

[zealous dagger]

Then type and think

[hazy delta]

what else, pain killers are different from how pharm PKs were

[zealous dagger]

Not send one then think

Morphine has changed, epi, norepinephrine, nitro, basically all the drugs

But I don’t care about that it’s jus the exam I wanna know what’s on it so I can say what needs to be changed

[hazy delta]

Ok I read through Bucks old Pharm doc and KAM (KAT's guide) so basically

• Morphine/Naloxone, Epi, Adeno, Norepi, Phenyl, Nitro basically work the same
• wake up (slap) and amonium wake up system is different, amonium values are different from exam
• Painkillers work different and pain levels changed/ are different from pharm
• We have new drugs that we didnt have in ace pharm -> fentanyl ( check pics for what they do) penthrox and ketamine
• since clotting is on, TXA is different now, from only applying bandages every X seconds, now it doubles the clotting factor bla bla a lot of yapping go read KAM if you wanna know

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[hazy delta]

(Im not actually 100% sure if penthrox and ketamine are actually in the arsenals I just saw Merciful has it in his guide so im assuming they are, didnt really play banshee since kat got in)

[rocky glen]

nahh let bro cook

[hazy delta]

At the very least I know the amonium question needs changed ...

[zealous dagger]

Ya I know big dawg

We medics already know

Like I’ve said TWICE I need to know what’s in the exam so I can say what needs to be changed

And also I already made doc in #🩸kc_medical and check pins

[hazy delta]

bruh

if you know just tell the badmins istg

like

they wont show you the exams

just tell them what changed -_-

[zealous dagger]

What you think im doing lmao

Your brought up something old that’s been covered

[hazy delta]

[visual trail]

MARCH is the algorithm for treating a casualty, just tells you the steps you take

Atleast it's the one the military uses

[zealous dagger]

Hm hm hm don’t know what that is

[hazy delta]

M-Massive hemorrhage
A- Airways
R-Respiratory
C-Circulatory
H- Hippotermia (idk how to spell that)
I think thats it mayhaps (im eepy)

[rocky glen]

hypothermia

[regal onyx]

Hippothermia 💀

[rocky glen]

i mean hippos are pretty deadly

[hazy delta]

💀 this reminds me of child Whip's obsession with hippos

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734119604007206953/1276568464240152656/togif.gif

[hazy delta]

✅

[zealous dagger]

dont know what that is but sounds useful

[hazy delta]

its what you do if we had proper kat

[zealous dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[hazy delta]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-yappology-yap-degree-meme-gif-11530662489200106248

[bold harness]

God i love this gif

[eternal cipher]

similar to the UK which uses ABC
Airway
Breathing
Circulation
although thats more basic FREC 1/2 compared to advanced trauma / combat care

[rocky glen]

oh god whip and his hippo kink was the downfall of this server

[hazy delta]

@tacit pasture British doctrine mentioned

[eternal cipher]

oh fuck you summoned tony, ill never hear the end of my transgressions

[tacit pasture]

nah nah i just re-read what you said

[regal onyx]

You've activated the Tony Signal

[tacit pasture]

but its CABC more (i think)

C for catastrophic hem

[eternal cipher]

were both wrong,
its DRABC
Danger, Response, Airway, Breathing, Circulation

[tacit pasture]

yeah medical and I don't mix well

[spiral veldt]

It's actually ABRCDABR

Airways, Breathing, Respiration, Circulation, Disability, Attention span, Bone density and Reassess

[bold harness]

guys just give them morphine smh

[edgy raptor]

@tacit pasture is the guy that approaches a casualty that fell 10 stories off a building, puts a bandaid on his head, pats him gently and says all better.
But also the same guy that tells you to shoot the mbt exactly 13.489inches to the left of the 3 reactive armor plating below the turret so the round enters the ammunition compartment and sends a vehicle catastrophic

[tacit pasture]

I've truly, genuinely never been summed up so well that is actually heartwarming

[rocky glen]

lmao

[visual trail]

Is that used in the army aswell? Its used for civilian first aid but assumed the army just used MARCH as well

[visual trail]

no DR/DRSABC is taught by St Johns Ambulance for the civilian world but in the army it is CABCDE

[eternal cipher]

guessing
Cat. Bleeding
Airway
Breathing
Circulation
Danger
no clue the E, fuck it estrogen levls

[visual trail]

close

everything up the C is right

D is Disability (broken bones and shit)
E is Exposure

im guessing exposure would be like hyper/hypothermia or CBRN shit

[eternal cipher]

probably CBRN yeah

[tacit pasture]

MARCH is used as well, I have been taught it briefly in my reservist deal because I am never gonna use it as a Class B reservist

the perks of being a uni student

[visual trail]

lol

[eternal cipher]

i mean i know a serial gooner in the UK Navy reserves, can go ask him if he has any first aid training, when in doubt get as many answers as possible and hope one is right!

[tacit pasture]

and when I say briefly I mean a dude showed text on a slideshow, read it out and moved on

[visual trail]

the best kind of training

"hey this exists guys"

[eternal cipher]

evidently it worked, tony remembers it

[visual trail]

fair point

[half stone]

Remember, if it can't be treated with a bandaid, fentynol lollipop, and hydration, it's not a service related injury and you don't have to treat it

[visual trail]

you cant make a claim if you're dead either

[rocky glen]

@lapis abyss I have nothing to comment but i love the analogy

[spiral veldt]

Today we were waiting around with enough people to take points but were restricted by ISR lines. Please clarify in ISR at what condition we are allowed to proceed through ISR lines or clarify that we are not to proceed.

[ebon gyro]

#1124647926199758899 message

@lapis abyss Not being able to do BOC LOAL fires would be terrible, keep the hellfires.

[lapis abyss]

the hellfires are straight dookie now

the only thing that could really justify it would be the MLASS with more hellfires or changing it to apkws

[ebon gyro]

I must admit I haven’t really noticed anything when I’ve been flying the DAP this map, it has felt like normal.

4 hellfires are also super quick to reload.

And if there is an issue with the hellfires today and that get fixed tomorrow, but we have changed the loadout to APKWS, I wouldn’t put my hopes up that the DAP will ever receive it’s old loadout back.

[tacit pasture]

I’d keep the hellfires, if there actually is nothing wrong with them in the end they are way more balanced than APKWS.

Makes it more fun to use rather than a point and click adventure like you are playing Fallout 1 with a max crit build that one shots every thing you see

[sinful sable]

@obsidian kestrel that's not happening sadly

trust me, I am not much a fan of it either, because it'd be really interesting if we played someone else (or if we were playing the US, to also have some stuff from other allies too)

[rocky glen]

its a bit insensitive to larp an ongoing conflict

[sinful sable]

oh that too, I am just talking about how even if it wasn't, it is not happening as well

[spiral veldt]

100% I think APKWS is exactly that. Nothing you can't destroy with those.

Even the death star needed two photon torpedos, if only they had HEAT APKWS in the galaxy far far away

[rocky glen]

apkws is so boring

[low oak]

No, just not caring about snowflakes

Karma literally made a Ukraine video 😂

[agile cypress]

Real

[low oak]

It’s interesting, current, engaging

[agile cypress]

We did Ukraine ops for awhile with kog it was really fun

[low oak]

Not picking sides

[agile cypress]

Some of the best ops I’ve done

[low oak]

Sounds like good fun tbh

It’s interesting and current

[rocky glen]

i dunno tbh then

[regal onyx]

I think it's more like they don't want people coming in arguing about said current conflict but what do I know

[potent sinew]

yeah with it being a public server it's easier for them to not do ukraine rather than moderate it

but i'd love to for sure

[green umbra]

REAL I hate APKKS it just makes it point and shoot. We should use more LOS munitions.

[regal onyx]

Yuh, the mods for it are surprisingly detailed too

[rocky glen]

that is what i was tryna say but couldnt word it

[rocky glen]

i just want more bombs and canister stuff

[regal onyx]

REAL

[green umbra]

like I think APKWS make air too op, if we just had normal HYDRA's it would balance air out a lot, but still have guided munitions like AGM-65D/L.

[sinful sable]

exactly :)

some AGM-65s, some LOS munitions, fun for the whole family

[agile cypress]

Whatever you give air it will be op it’s down to pilots and 8s to not wipe points

[regal onyx]

So real

[sinful sable]

eh, not quite

at least we have to work for it to actually engage a ton of targets with a focus on LOS munitions

with 38 laser-guided ones, we can just kinda make a few passes, click and that's it

[green umbra]

the thing is aircraft can stay on station for so long because the APKWS's can kill most vehicles with 1-2 so you wont have to RRR that often.

also its not fun

lets take this to #🚁kc_air

[agile cypress]

The same can be done with LOS munitions by most of the pilots

[grave mauve]

#1124647926199758899 message @green umbra

I'm confused what you mean. 180 SR is already in the 1-8 SOP

[green umbra]

its not required or people are never on it

I have never had anyone on it without me having to tell them 5 times to get on it

[grave mauve]

Making it required in the SOP in all honesty won't change anything.

There's rarely ever more than 1 person on 8 at a time

And when was the last time you contacted Goblin on 30

[zinc aurora]

i mean if there's only one 1-8 then sure it's not an issue

but if two 1-8s are talking to each other, they're using a lot of traffic, which very easily clogs up 160

[grave mauve]

Additional Short Range internal frequency for TACP if needed 180.000.

That's what the SOP says. When there are 2 8's (aka, when it's needed), be on 180

[hazy delta]

Average knockout yap but he ain't wrong

[sinful sable]

it's a win for everyone what can I say

-900 MB for the modpack, we get to use the more balance-able hornet and harrier, and it's...well, marines

[lapis abyss]

give f-14

[sinful sable]

we already have it

[lapis abyss]

how do you know did I miss the Modpack or sum shit

[sinful sable]

it's part of the reason why the modpack is going to be bloated

[hazy delta]

I'm always down for lore accurate planes/vics (we better have the Abrahams in the build)

[sinful sable]

it was already made public on battlemetrics

[lapis abyss]

oo

[sinful sable]

which is why I made this suggestion partially to avoid over-bloating the modpack

with both the 2.9 GB F-14 mod and the 1.7 GB F-16 one

[lapis abyss]

f-16 stinky give F/A-18 super hornet

[sinful sable]

we wouldn't have the E or F variants

these are basically brand new for this war

but we would have the normal hornets

[hazy delta]

E was there iirc

[lapis abyss]

oh yeah ur right

[sinful sable]

maybe

...then again we also had APKWS in fallujah so eh

so yea, the harrier and hornet combined are around 900 MB combined

the F-16 alone is like 1.6 GB or 1.7

[lapis abyss]

also @sinful sable why no A-10?

[sinful sable]

no no

I said 'since we are marines we wouldn't use them BUT I understand why it's necessary to keep it for the Reaper Exams'

I didn't say we need to remove it, just added it as an addendum incase I heard it

[lapis abyss]

yeah I saw that part

last time we were marines we had some sort of US attachment for the Blackhawks remember

[sinful sable]

that's also true

[lapis abyss]

who doesn't love a goold ol A-10 in iraq

[sinful sable]

ye, I just hope we get all the marine assets too, and only keep air force stuff if it's necessary or is brand new and exciting (the F-16 is neither right now)

[agile cypress]

Just because we are marines the cas assets wouldn’t necessarily be from the marines especially for fixed wing

[sinful sable]

..okay? don't see why we need air force CAS assets though

(aside the night hawk, that mod is small and it's brand new for the server)

but don't see why we need the F-16 for a marine campaign when we get these two and trim the modlist size by a good bit

[agile cypress]

Not saying it wouldn’t be cool to have more jets but saying air force shouldn’t be included for realism reasons is incorrect

[sinful sable]

no no, I am saying it shouldn't be included because it's been too long since we have seen the actual marine stuff, on a marine campaign, and it benefits everyone by not bloating us with an extra 800MB of things to load and for the server to load

[cloud oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-side-eye-side-eye-meme-sideeye-gif-936474003299723338

[spiral veldt]

#1124647926199758899 message I don't know what to tell you :D

[agile cypress]

It’s not set by default and 8s won’t use it 95% of the time the suggestion is make it sop that they need to be on it

That’s just a suggestion to use 180 not mandatory

[spiral veldt]

I don't think this would change anything. The 1-8s that didn't use 180 are the 1-8s that either didn't talk at all or it was so little intercommunication that they just used 160. As long as you're not bugging command I don't think it's necessary to have 180 dialed in at all. It also means that if you are a single TACP, you can use the other channel to listen in. Now you'd be breaking SOPs.

[naive kayak]

multiple 8s talking on 160 while 6 is dealing with all the other crap is annoying tho. Ive been on both ends of it. 180 makes it easier to communicate internally with each other and then have 8A relay the info to 6

[spiral veldt]

Yes, that is what "if needed" is referring to.

[naive kayak]

8A should manage coms from the party, PL and all other high level comms and relay all. B should be ground C should be Air

[spiral veldt]

Am I tripping or are we all reading different text there

[naive kayak]

im saying that 8s if theyre not on 180 like to use 160 as their internal which fucks with the rest of command

i think they should always be on 180 and 8A should monitor 160 and relay approvals, denies and tasking to the rest of the 8s

imo

[spiral veldt]

That makes sense.

I still think that flexibility in SOPs isn't a bad thing and that it does make sense here, especially cause we often see a single TACP online.

[naive kayak]

i get it and thats fine then you do what ya gotta do

[green umbra]

It worked for Harpy when it was made mandatory to be on 80 prior to that it was recommended but no one did it, this is the same situation

[edgy raptor]

for Harpy it makes sense that they needed to be on 31 (so they can listen to the platoon for red air call outs) and 80 (so they are aware of friendly air to prevent friendly fire).
What is the need for 180 to be mandatory?

[agile cypress]

160 can get pretty clogged up by multiple 8s and or shadow talking tbf

but at that point 6 should tell them to use 180

i dont really think they need to be on their own freq 24/7

though also there is no harm in it other than having to set up an additional SR

[strange meteor]

It kinda feels like the same reason the other internal nets are mandatory

[edgy raptor]

1-8 is part of the command squad, thats why 160 is mandatory.

[agile cypress]

160 is fine they need to be on that

[twin quartz]

But does your 1-6 want to listen to 2-3 TACPs yapping about stalker this reaper that etc so they can’t hear 31 or anything else on 160?

[visual trail]

can your 1-6 not tell them to head to 180?

[twin quartz]

Shouldn’t have to. Should be SOP

[visual trail]

you dont always need it, so why should you always have to be on it

you dont have to make everything an SOP

[agile cypress]

small amounts of info going over 160 about fire missions are good, as 6 there have been so many times 8 was talking to others on the net about them and it has helped with situational awareness and making decisions

the issue is when you get constant talking to the point it becomes overwhelming

cant keep up with 30, 31 and the people around you

i think how it is works

[grave mauve]

#1248944616766443582 message

The SOP is fine. The only thing that needs to change is how people use it.

When an internal frequency is needed, be on 180. When it's not, you have an extra channel to set.

1-8 is already mandated to 3 channels. Adding a 4th would mean it's impossible to monitor any other channels

[gray python]

If it’s really causing issues, you can just tell them to get on 180

No need for an sop change

[zinc aurora]

@hazy delta i just want phantom to have any dmr at this point

#1124647926199758899 message

[regal onyx]

Real and true

[hazy delta]

Real

M16 with suppressor goes hard but m14 with nvg scope is also cool

[zinc aurora]

just a 7.62 marksman platform

[cobalt frigate]

Now even 50cal is pretty useless lol

After kat and clotting ai just wakes back up after a minute from a 50shot

[hazy delta]

barrett did a funny

[rocky glen]

oh boy

[naive kayak]

medics have access to full arsenal

[zinc aurora]

so you can put a NV scope on the m16, but not the m48, right...

[hazy delta]

yes 😂

just give m14 with pvs-14 scope

[regal onyx]

Real

[cloud oracle]

#1124647926199758899 message

@bold harness This is something we will take a look at

Because the RIO is useless at the moment

[hazy delta]

W

[rocky glen]

yippeeee rio gamers rejoice

[bold harness]

Thanks, sounds good i just saw hopped on the training server and just wanted to bring it to yalls attention

[cloud oracle]

Either we can assign bombs to the RIO seat

[rocky glen]

if we have no phoenixes and thus cant do rioing too well we could just give the rio bombs

[cloud oracle]

Or only have the RIO control TGP and then pilot drop bombs

[rocky glen]

i mean irl doesnt the rio do both?

[bold harness]

Pretty sure he only controls tgp

[agile cypress]

give rio tgp and bombs, pilot can use manual fire to drop them if needed anyway

[rocky glen]

i agree

[cloud oracle]

Alright I will talk to the almighty Barret and we will see what we can do

[rocky glen]

thank you cashton

[visual trail]

@zinc aurora you could also work with shade, savage or just the infantry to get illum up over the objective or wherever you need it

[zinc aurora]

so by that logic we don't need night vision at all?

[green umbra]

if you have access to GL's we get IR Flares now

[visual trail]

I'm litterally just offering another solution to the issue

And also if you dont have night vision you can use those illumination rounds to see at night

They are both a tool you can use to see at night

[visual trail]

In this situation IR flares would be useless

[green umbra]

oh is he talking about the Phantom stuff

[zinc aurora]

fair point, mb I was kinda aggressive. I just think the M14 + PVS-4 would be ideal

[visual trail]

Btw I'm not saying to not add the NVG scope and shit, I'm just giving another option incase you run into that issue

[visual trail]

Oh yh it definetely would, in every situation I would rather have a night vision scope, especially fighting against people without night vision

[visual trail]

Yh, theres not night vision scope for the M40 so he suggested the M14 with a NV scope, so I was just giving another solution incase it doesnt get added or someone just runs into that issue

[regal onyx]

i'm actually kinda suprised there isn't one for the m40

[zinc aurora]

yeah I thought CS just pulled a silly, but it apears the only m40 NV scopes are the PVS-4 (m14/m16 scope) AND PVS-27 (1X mag with no crosshair)

[regal onyx]

common M40 L

[visual trail]

RIP

[zinc aurora]

i'd also suggest taking away microdagr and replacing it with the old DAGR

[visual trail]

Based

[zinc aurora]

actually the m40 has the PVS-10

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message
NEED HISTORICAL LARP
@hazy delta

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[craggy turtle]

That's Cosmic in a nutshell

[regal onyx]

The only reason I say real is cause of botan

[hazy delta]

and the only reason i say real is because of speedy

[regal onyx]

Rip

[zinc aurora]

you've made me start saying it irl

[regal onyx]

Same

[spiral veldt]

#1124647926199758899 message

Dude I had the same idea yesterday. I don't know if it's time accurate or whatever, but I think it would be cool.

[hazy delta]

Real in Romanian is the same, real and I say it irl too 💀💀

[cobalt frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[magic fable]

@visual trail #1124647926199758899 message

Tablet def can go away, atak should be limited to SL+, and microdagar didn’t come out until 2007.

So yes, you are correct.

[visual trail]

Atak also wasnt a thing then

[rocky glen]

more fun with no atak

[visual trail]

Exactly

[rocky glen]

need it like how fallujah was

[visual trail]

Adds a bit of challenge that isnt just AI that take 10 shots to kill

[rocky glen]

with the ctab and radio setups

[visual trail]

Didnt we have ataks during that map

But just SLs

[rocky glen]

oh i think so

i thought ftls and sls only had UHF radios as well

[visual trail]

They had SRs and LRs

[rocky glen]

oh yeah

[visual trail]

Because they were those giant Alice packs

[rocky glen]

but i mean like not a rifleman just having an sr

[visual trail]

Only SLs and FTLs had radios yh

[rocky glen]

it should always be like that is my point

[visual trail]

Ohh yh

That would be fun

[magic fable]

It 100% was

[visual trail]

It's an app for phones which didnt exist

Unless you mean blue force trackers

Which were a thing but only really on vehicles

Hand held BFTs werent really a thing until 2007 iirc

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102606662977736704/1306372515362373682/AtEase-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter_1.gif

[magic fable]

I was tracking that FBCB2 was early released in 1998 and that it was full release in 2001

[visual trail]

isnt that the one that was mounted in vehicles

thats that shit

its not really man portable

[hazy delta]

We should get nothing besides microdagrs for SLs/TLs and LR+SR, bozo rifleman gets a gun and maybe acog

[visual trail]

nah pure anarchy, no kinds of BFTs

maybe even only SRs for SLs 😉

[rocky glen]

real and true

[hazy delta]

I mean how fallujah was, was pretty good

[visual trail]

it was pretty good

[magic fable]

If we added new ACRE and got rid of tfar this could be a reality.

[visual trail]

why cant you with tfar?

[rocky glen]

acre sounds so goood compared to tfar

[visual trail]

it does but you need a radio for every channel you want to monitor

[magic fable]

ACRE2 better models the actual distance capabilities of a 152.

[visual trail]

ah ok

[magic fable]

Unless it’s adjustable with tfar, which it might be for as well as I know.

[visual trail]

so uhhh acre on lib anyone? lol

[magic fable]

Initially I HATED switching to ACRE2 but now that I use it I’m actually a huge fan. It makes it so I don’t need a 117 (LR radio) as a pj which is quite hot.

[visual trail]

yh, once you get the hang of it, its quite nice

[rocky glen]

yes please but no one would agree

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-no-michael-scott-steve-carrell-gif-3108097693409920442

[visual trail]

the nice thing about acre is its so easy to install, it automatically installs onto tfar when you download it on steam

it also just sounds nice

[rocky glen]

so truee

i love how it actually sounds like a proper radio transmission

[magic fable]

@regal onyx trust me I was a hater to.

[rocky glen]

the radio nerd in me enjoys it

[visual trail]

also the little thing on top of the 152 actually does the correct thing in acre, for come reason in tfar they make it change the sound lol

[regal onyx]

i've used it and i hate it

[visual trail]

why

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[regal onyx]

i just don't like it

[visual trail]

yh but like what made you not like it

[rocky glen]

fuck acre and tfar ima just make the most hyperrealistic baofeng radio in arma 3

think apache mod but for a baofeng

[regal onyx]

that exists already

[rocky glen]

of course

[magic fable]

Acre has baofengs 💀

[visual trail]

nah lets just use vanilla radio/chat/monstrosity

[rocky glen]

[hazy delta]

I think we should just buy actual radios and speak on those

[rocky glen]

so true

[visual trail]

amen

[rocky glen]

ima pull out my ham radio setup

[visual trail]

nerd

[rocky glen]

(for legal reasons thats a joke)

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040415733374533675/1272258206327898194/speechmemified_0x0.webp.gif

[regal onyx]

real, (this is not a joke i do not have a license)

[rocky glen]

(i forgot to renew mine)

[edgy raptor]

you ask too much. no radios or chat for anyone. You must all now learn ASL and communicate through hand gestures in game only

[rocky glen]

based

[visual trail]

based asf

[rocky glen]

imagine doing a 9 line with your hands

[visual trail]

just generate a hive mind and communicate through thought

[rocky glen]

telepathy

[magic fable]

Marbit Better CAS Environment mod.

I can send a mark, Gameplan, 9, TAC, and bhd / bda all via link 16 to the pilots PFD/hud

[rocky glen]

ok so basically dcs

that's awesome

[magic fable]

I’ve never actually used it. I really should start using it for pre-planned strikes tho.

[rocky glen]

i would love to use that

[magic fable]

Then again almost all of my preplans normally go to surface to surface.

[rocky glen]

i have a mental block with remembering a grid a JTAC just told me 5 seconds ago because i'm slow so having the entire thing in front of me would be awesome

but that's probably more of a crutch than anything

[magic fable]

It’s just practice and remembering what you need to read back vs. what is what noise.

[rocky glen]

yeah practise is the key word lol

[magic fable]

Elevation, and grid. Those are the only things you 100% have to pay attention to.

[regal onyx]

why i don't do cas 101: don't wanna look like an idiot cuz i don't know 5/9 lines and i'm slow 💀

[visual trail]

this is why i only work with artillery lol

its 10x easier

[hazy delta]

just play fantum

frfr

[rocky glen]

it became like straight up muscle memory for me but i'm 100% not perfect and i also havent done it in literally ages

[regal onyx]

real

[hazy delta]

or just get jake to call CAS

and then he gets yelled at by the 8 for "not paying attention"

[rocky glen]

ok damn alr

why i couldn't 8: 101

[rocky glen]

you cant beat the flow of a 9 line but i get it

[visual trail]

fair point

however

its easier to do an artillery cff

lol

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ringer-when-the-fuck-did-we-get-ice-cream-gif-5417477

mr frfr

[rocky glen]

and in contrast i forgor how to do that lul

[visual trail]

lmao

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015746772674564146/1074310745258471534/attachment.gif

[zealous dagger]

#1124647926199758899 message he’s got a point

[ebon gyro]

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think TGP marking should be disabled when we’re doing early 2000’s and before.

The TGP mark showing up on everyone’s map, I guess can be attributed to some Link 16:ish battlespace solution that every single grunt has access to. But it shouldn’t be in this era.

Also that would make ISR work a bit more fun than just shift 1 everywhere.

Actually describing what you see, giving grids etc, would create a higher need for target correlation as well.

[visual trail]

only issue is you then just mark that on the map and everyone can see it

and if you stop people from doing that, it becomes incredibly painful to keep track of isr

[ebon gyro]

I personally wouldn’t do it myself, I’d prepare an ISR report and send it over to 1-8 and have him mark stuff.

[visual trail]

yh, but still even then, if 8 marks it then everyone can see it

and that kinda defeats the point of it imo

[regal onyx]

Wouldn't rimmys map sharing mod get rid of that issue (I know they won't ever want to do that)

[ebon gyro]

Well at least you’ve added another step of communication which is a win to me.

And every line of communication is a point of failure, which is a way to remove the omniscient view we have of the battlespace with TGP mark enabled

[visual trail]

could a set everyone to vehicle channel, then add that, so people only share maps in vehicles, and even then its only stuff you marked while inside the vehicle with them

[ebon gyro]

And that is universal anyways, which is another discussion. I was talking about a particular thing for CAS and ISR assets, how maps works in lib in general is outside the scope of this point

[magic fable]

Sounds like you should be playing in a less player friendly server. Have you considered any milsim groups?

[sinful sable]

I mean, the TGP and thermals shouldn't even exist unless you have a dedicated targeting pod

unfortunately, minor FIR trolling

[hazy delta]

The f-14B had an integrated pod iirc

[sinful sable]

no no, integrated LANTIRN

but we do have LANTIRN
what I mean is, even without a targeting pod, you still get thermals and marking and all

that is just straight up base kit on every FIR aircraft

it'd be far better for these late 90s and similar scenarios if we could have a in-house mod that prevented it's use unless you had one of these pods mounted

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-just-put-the-fries-in-the-bag-donald-trump-put-the-fries-in-the-bag-mcdonalds-gif-4970290544971902809

[spiral veldt]

That was a really smooth launch of the map. I wouldn't have imagined not crashing until we get the first point, but we made it like 2 hours with minimal issues :D

[green umbra]

@lapis abyss
Its not even the nvg's its the static whatever its called is so bad I don't even use my nvg's

#1124647926199758899 message

[zinc aurora]

the noise?

[lapis abyss]

i dont care about the noise i literally cant seen around AT ALL

there is like no fov

[obsidian kestrel]

u really need IR flares here

[lapis abyss]

i need more fov

[cobalt frigate]

average engagement range 500m - 1km and blud want to use a shotgun

[rocky glen]

lmfao

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message @leaden thistle what does this mean?

[leaden thistle]

Nothing really. I just wanted to say it.

[rocky glen]

real

[regal onyx]

I mean real

[zinc aurora]

reel

[hazy delta]

real

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[grave mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message imagine being in contact with a full ei squad 600-400m away and your squad is mass cas and you look next to you and the only guy that is up is just carrying a shotgun

[rocky glen]

literally

why on earth would we need a shotgun

[bold harness]

U 2 just staring at each other

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-javi-gutierrez-pedro-pascal-the-unbearable-weight-of-massive-talent-happy-gif-25135496

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lmao-meme-gif-6370185573434594642

[bold harness]

“i told u not to bring that shotgun” - “ i know i just thought i would look cool”

[leaden thistle]

Shotgun is better than a medic that refuses to carry a rifle

[odd echo]

https://tenor.com/view/drag-struggle-pain-hero-strong-gif-15743044

[cobalt frigate]

the performance man is back

[eternal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lion-king-lion-king-monkey-talking-rafiki-gif-17580008

[rocky glen]

the fps is so good this map though

like ive been at 12k and i'm getting like over 60 when theres loads of units

[eternal cipher]

well yeah because theres exactly 6 props in view at all times, its a fuckin desert jake

[rocky glen]

exactly!

its great

[eternal cipher]

i just cant wait until they open perms apps, i want that butcher-ussy :D

[rocky glen]

boocher is scary this map

4 mbts will push you out of nowhere

[cobalt frigate]

can confirm not fun

Especially with Yurzaw freaking out about bunnies in his driver thermal view

[rocky glen]

average yurzaw

[rocky glen]

oh it's fun

[bright bane]

i swear he had ak47

[visual trail]

very common thing in iraq, cant tell you the amount of AK wielding bunnies there are

[tacit pasture]

tell me about it man i know that all too well

[green umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-on-smoke-cpu-blasts-potato-pc-gif-24592403

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/zimbabwe-fact-checked-this-post-was-fact-checked-gif-13854646917497150904

[naive kayak]

irl, door to door knocking. in game? no reason other than loosk cool

[rocky glen]

i mean this map

[hazy delta]

Locked doors in lib when?

[naive kayak]

HAH

never

i mean it would be cool to have to defeat that obstacle in order to like rescue a hostage or get intel or any number of thing, but thats not lib gameplay

[agile cypress]

It could be done as part of proc in theory, chose certain building / spawn new building , spawn EI inside with a civ in cuffs and locked doors

Would be too much work though

[naive kayak]

lotta work, prolly ignored by the players or memed and civ shot

i would like to see more objective based stuff, instead of just flipping a point and moving on. needing to find cache to blow up, or intel or something

but that takes times to set up, and come up with the briefing so everyones on teh same page

and too much work

[rocky glen]

real

[regal onyx]

Breach is a really cool mod

[naive kayak]

truth

just wont work in lib

[edgy raptor]

It could work but it’s just more stress on the server

[naive kayak]

myabe would be more viable in the off hours?

when not too many are on?

[rocky glen]

id love for there to be more random events during normal hours

[naive kayak]

"normal" he says

[rocky glen]

ok maybe i worded that wrong

i mean like rather than scheduled ops (although even those would be cool) we get like random (zeus controlled) events happening when a certain player threshold is crossed

like, imagine instead of a normal ground BG coming, it's a load of SCUDs and we have like a certain amount of time before we have to destroy them or they launch and we lose a point

completely bs example i made up but i hope it gets my point across

[naive kayak]

that would be cool

[edgy raptor]

Nuke a point and you take the blame. Got it

[rocky glen]

[regal onyx]

ooh i love taking the blame...

Do it

[rocky glen]

real

[green umbra]

Freaky ahh Cosmic

[regal onyx]

I just wanna watch the map burn

[rocky glen]

real

[green umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[naive kayak]

cosmic: boys yearn for GWOT
also cosmic: Launch nukes end the campaign

[regal onyx]

nah not map ending just "tactical nuclear strikes"

or chemical warfare

sarin anyone?

[naive kayak]

burh map isnt that big enough to take nuclear strikes and not be over lol

[regal onyx]

nah nah imagine the fat man from fallout

itty bitty ones

[naive kayak]

smh

[regal onyx]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3295358796 in lib when

[odd echo]

WMD in lib is just like the airborne BG that you've been waiting for on the point for 15 minutes now

[regal onyx]

real

[cloud slate]

We had a SCUD on an objective. Launcher erect; shame it didn't shoot.

[rocky glen]

yeah ive seen scuds loads i just wish theyd launch

[cloud slate]

Wonder if harpy could intercept...

[naive kayak]

performance issues

[edgy raptor]

We’ve all been there lol

[cloud slate]

It would be like that time we got nuked on Denaliland

[rocky glen]

i honestly have been tempted to keep them alive just to see if they launch

[cloud slate]

They probably need a FO

[naive kayak]

or an odin

[rocky glen]

i mean they need spotters for white phos and we get countless amounts of that

[regal onyx]

I don't think so

[naive kayak]

could reaper?

this eeds testing

[rocky glen]

ill test it whilst im waiting for bunker to stop crashing

[naive kayak]

classic bunlker

[edgy raptor]

Just fly into the missile. Intercept it in the air.

[raven sable]

if its the 3cb one it just shoots straight up and does nothing

[regal onyx]

the pook one can target tho (who knows which one it is)

[zinc aurora]

ace combat type shit

[eternal cipher]

just cause 2 ahh ending

[zinc aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-combat-ace-combat04-shattered-skies-mobius1-f4e-phantom-ii-gif-22328432

[strange meteor]

Oh lord, the SCUDs again...

So myself and @hazy delta banged our heads against the wall for a long time trying to find a meaningful, repeatable way to intercept scuds.

Long story short, reaper certainly can't, and Harpy can... but it's mainly luck.

It would have to be the NASAMS, and you would have to be in the perfect spot, with perfect timing, and have advanced warning to look in the right direction. Avenger radar can see it, but the way things are set up you don't see it till it's too late.

[sinful sable]

reaper can't with the current loadouts no

I believe with the fox-3s and a tomcat radar it might be possible

[strange meteor]

It'd be worth testing, maybe, but I'm very skeptical.

[sinful sable]

Since we need to see them early
After all, you can launch fox-3s at artillery shells

[hazy delta]

Artillery shells don't go mach 5

[sinful sable]

They do travel pretty fast

[hazy delta]

💀

[sinful sable]

Just because it can do that IRL doesn't mean it does so in arma

Remember, maps are not 5000km big, it needs to accelerate to that speed

[agile cypress]

That’s when they’re outside the atmosphere they don’t do that speed inside it 🤓

[sinful sable]

Also that

That is not their speed in the atmosphere and it would be really hard to get that speed in atmosphere.

[rocky glen]

i feel like a scud would be at its fastest at reentry/terminal-phase but i'm not a rocket scientist

rather than coasting in no atmosphere

[hazy delta]

yeah sure but comparing an arty shell to an icbm is a 💀 moment

[rocky glen]

true

[hazy delta]

also i fucked with the scuds* in deni

and its fucking fast

[agile cypress]

Also there are lots of different types of icbms not all are gonna get to that speed

[rocky glen]

THAAD wen

[sinful sable]

When we get to use kinzhals too

[hazy delta]

also to shut y'alls up the nasams can shoot down arty but can only shoot a scud* under very very specific conditions

[rocky glen]

ah yes the """"hypersonic"""" missile

[rocky glen]

i remember doc testing it i swear

[sinful sable]

It is pretty fast in arma 3 too

[hazy delta]

I did a lot of testic back in the day

you can lock on it

kinda~

cant radar lock, you gotta click on it and spam T

(while its going mach jesus so good luck)

anyways scuds dont even launch in lib rn so

[rocky glen]

plot twist: replace them with iskanders and they act like sams where they spawn far behind enemy lines but use spotters like white phos

[rocky glen]

acogs are amazing imo

[visual trail]

carry handle irons all the way

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-jeremy-clarkson-farm-sad-gif-9058546197843845638

[hazy delta]

I have no words

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-twitch-7tv-gif-18228911432715801849

[bold harness]

Can someone ban this guy ill give u 10 dollars and a chicken shawarma

[edgy raptor]

Don’t you already owe me that for this campaign being GWOT?

[bold harness]

It was delivered to the wrong address

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-26131298

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/arab-habibimoney-rrc-gif-26503512

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message

As a stinky American i approve this message

[eternal cipher]

l85a2 my beloved

[edgy raptor]

@hot totem #1124647926199758899 message almost every post in there goes out to the Karma company tag. As long as you have the tag it will ping you that there is a new message there

[hot totem]

just wanna keep up to date to games news in a single channel without opening dozens of servers manually everyday

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message reaper and shadow asset: pigeon

[rocky glen]

dropping propaganda leaflets

[bold harness]

Real

[gray python]

Wish there was a way for chevy to drop those little parachute camera thing’s that squad leads can shoot

[rocky glen]

@bold harness at that point lets get the sea stalion and slap a pod of APKWS and hellfires on the side

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-oorah-oorah-marine-twerk-army-gif-22931251

But seriously tho instead of daps, lil birbs a armed huey would be sick for demon as an LOS asset

[rocky glen]

dont we have enough LOS stuff

[regal onyx]

Never

[hazy delta]

Bro honestly

huey LOS with hydras as demon would go crazy

[regal onyx]

real

i just don't like the oops all guns assets

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/ellipsis-bust-lord-have-mercy-gif-5606625988103215611

[rocky glen]

yeah i'm not saying its a bad idea

[hazy delta]

remove all the shit like little birb

and replace with huey rocket

[bold harness]

Bro no manpads that orbiting above the obj while the door gunners just keep firing would be the hottest thing ever

[rocky glen]

trust me the hajis will have iglas

but i hope they decrease the spawn rate since these are militants not an actual army

[sinful sable]

I mean, I am all for more marine stuff on a marine campaign

[bold harness]

https://youtu.be/bBrD7QxC-To?si=sZaW806oA5iHdGp4&t=13

[zinc aurora]

reaper AC-130 when?

[rocky glen]

reaper savage chevy joint asset

[gray python]

I think it'd be possible if they remove the auto pilot. And I would be more then willing to chevy around a pack of boys while the fire the big guns

The auto pilot is said to be the taxing part of the ac-130 on the server

[bold harness]

It might be doable honestly yeah like richy said i believe its just the autopilot part

[rocky glen]

oh real

[cloud oracle]

Likely never due to the significant performance hit the server takes from the shell impacts

It's sad but some things weren't meant to be

[spiral veldt]

Thanks for adding additional measurements🔥

[agile cypress]

Possible other mods were affecting performance aswell but I’ve seen massive lag and fps issues when rounds impact the ground

And generally worse performance if it’s just flying about

[lapis abyss]

the impacts are very high quality for high performance hit

cant have shit in arma that looks good without fps going bye bye

[rocky glen]

the server got a spec bump after beketov and we haven't tried it since then so maybe it might be better

[sinful sable]

pls no

I have been enjoying good frames

[rocky glen]

also im sure if you knew how to SQF you could remove some of the nice and pretty stuff for default arma things like the explosions

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-me-gif-19259515

[sinful sable]

It's been a relatively cool 74 degrees cmon

[rocky glen]

tbf i used to have a laptop that goes to 110°C on idle so i can't really say anything

[sinful sable]

What

Wdym 110 on idle

Even at its worst, mine was 70 on idle and only made trouble when playing

[rocky glen]

Aver cant design heatsinks so the cpu had no heatpipe touching it for 2 years

Acer*

[sinful sable]

If mine ever got over a 100 degrees it just shut down

[rocky glen]

my tjmax was 110

[sinful sable]

in retrospect, this might have been responsible for some of my disconnects

[grave mauve]

#1124647926199758899 message @pine dust

We are starting on a weekend. At least NA time. It's starting at 5pm Eastern time on Friday, which is the start of the weekend

[regal onyx]

Me when I get off at 4pm and have a 30 minute drive home

(I'm central time)

[grave mauve]

I'm Pacific time. It's middle of the day. I just don't work Fridays

[regal onyx]

2 more weeks and I'm off until January 🙏

[zinc aurora]

same but i'm busy the weekend anyway

[strange meteor]

Same

[rocky glen]

honestly most bits on the forums need to be rewritten

[magic fable]

You should unironically do it and just offer it to the admins once the project is completed.

[rocky glen]

not a bad shout

[magic fable]

If you do all the work and offer a finished product, they’re more likely to say yes. If they still say no at that point, which honestly might be the reality, at lease you gained a better understand of the ins and outs of KC lib.

[rocky glen]

maybe with some peer reviewing i could do that

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-silly-cat-cat-locked-in-lock-tf-in-gif-12487162223602060140

[magic fable]

There are so many nerds in here that would love to help you.

[rocky glen]

good point

[agile cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231690700521734224/1231690814456070195/attachment.gif

[rocky glen]

honestly i might go balls to the wall and just make a full on wiki

so many terms used that it's plausible

[magic fable]

Hype. Do it.

[rocky glen]

and so the great KC lib forums rewrite begins

[eternal cipher]

best of luck, if you need to throw grammar passes / anuerysms at anyone. hit me up. ill slam my head at the wall with you

[rocky glen]

thanks for the offer but a friend of mine is helping with formatting and whatever
my end goal (even if not accepted by CS) is a KC lib wiki for common terms and definitions, SOPs and et cetera that the community can add and remove to

[eternal cipher]

frankly even an unofficial rewrite project would help LEAGUES, as there are so many unwritten rules and things that "yeah so SOPs say no, but CS, Admins & every player you ever meet say yeah."

[rocky glen]

yes

[strange meteor]

I'd help with an unofficial wiki. Especially with the Harpy stuff.

[rocky glen]

yippee

[visual trail]

good luck, you got a lot to write up lol

[rocky glen]

i am aware

starting with the SOPs

ill do a first draft then ping the google doc over for the subject nerds to edit

[eternal cipher]

if you are gonna send a link, send a "Comment" link instead of an edit one. makes it so people cant fuck with it.
i wouldnt recommend relying on version history backups

basically lets you approve or deny ANY changes people propose, so some clever bastard cant just come in and delete it all

[rocky glen]

rog thanks

the google doc is temporary until everyone is happy then itll be an actual wiki

[regal onyx]

i wish a certain person was finished with [REDACTED], has nothing to do with this just reminded me about it

[rocky glen]

que

[strange meteor]

The fuck is redacted

[eternal cipher]

above your paygrade bub

[regal onyx]

Wouldnt you like to know weather boy

[strange meteor]

I.. I would, hence why I asked

[grave mauve]

[REDACTED] had to get moved back to the drawing board due to underlying issues and lack of time to commit to it. [NEW_REDACTED] however, is a far simpler but hopefully easier to implement idea

[eternal cipher]

least cryptic modern SCP writer

[regal onyx]

And you didn't show me [NEW_REDACTED]?!?! I feel betrayed

[grave mauve]

It's brand new. I don't even have a demo of it yet. I need to still make sure it will work at scale

[rocky glen]

man i wrote an SCP article yeears ago

[strange meteor]

How do I apply for a security clearance? I'm curious now about ||REDACTED||

[eternal cipher]

be a good little D-Class and you might get integrated as a L1 personnel if youre good this year

[green umbra]

I have a lot air stuff already written I can send to you?

[rocky glen]

sure wouldnt hurt

[grave mauve]

If I ever pick [REDACTED] back up, I'll get a bunch of nerds to test/break it

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

[strange meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-it-mad-stewie-life-fml-gif-17266332

[magic fable]

He's just doing it on his own with a buddy and it already has the colin seal of approval. The website looks unironically amazing.

[rocky glen]

hopefully i dont lose motive for this

[grave mauve]

@bold harness our attention spans are so short we cant read1 sentence

[green umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/winnie-the-pooh-i-cannot-read-gif-10549564367608169258

[bold harness]

Bradley bad lav good

https://tenor.com/view/trump-you-know-it-i-know-it-everybody-knows-it-its-true-gif-24093466

[rocky glen]

please give lav i want boocher to be harder

[bold harness]

Real bro we had a brit squad going and literally all we did was watch butcher shoot ei squads and we got friendly fires by butcher

I think our only kills were like 3-4 ei squads max while i was there atleast

[lapis abyss]

@pine dust im here if you need to talk bro

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message bro kc is cooked

[pine dust]

I named myself that, iykyk

[lapis abyss]

it suits you, just take away kog hunter

[pine dust]

Anytime I see a AI moving wierdly I just call em out as KOG all the time.

So KOG hunter is there for a reason

[half stone]

ACE Rations when

[tacit pasture]

#1124647926199758899 message

Bro this is like saying can we have cheeseburgers and mountain dew so i can say i brought into battle as an american

[half stone]

Need that tea time

[lapis abyss]

illuminati confirmed

[half stone]

I mean, imagine the morale boost when you take a point and the platoon sets up security for Burger King time

[tacit pasture]

burger king

you are kidding right

[half stone]

Fucking American as hell

[tacit pasture]

i would be demoralised

that shit floating in my system undigested

[half stone]

Well, I prefer Wendy's but I don't remember ever seeing a Wendy's setup in a FOB

[rocky glen]

lmfao

[half stone]

Wendy's didn't join in lol

[grave mauve]

Wendy's nuts

[half stone]

Lmfao even Taco Bell was in Iraq

[green umbra]

go take your reading classes so you can read suggestions

[grave mauve]

Oh I read all the suggestions. I just ignore them

[green umbra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/765863677538074629/1106840863637782548/spicy.gif

oh wait this aint KC Air

[ebon gyro]

Next one to cause a civ revolt should earn the nickname Whopper Jr.

[half stone]

I'm here for that

Five Guys Burgers and Crimes

[grave mauve]

Cynic your ACE Rations suggestions aren't safe from my indifference as well

[half stone]

I'm well aware, but I'm going to keep throwing that shit until something sticks lol

[grave mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[vast igloo]

I remember the days on the australia map where we would just capture a subway and RP, have no clue why.

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message keep yourself safe

[rocky glen]

real

i dont think ive ever cringed so hard reading something here

[bold harness]

REAL

[ebon gyro]

Inb4 Ogre becomes Uber Eats.

Food ordered by BattleDash may contain traces of led, plastic explosives, crayons and diesel

[bold harness]

Real u just open the mre and all u can find inside is 7.62

[zealous dagger]

#1124647926199758899 message
a real game changer for medics as well

It might be the mod I’m thinking about with the better CTABS

Ain’t sure

[green umbra]

Yes, BCE does ALOT of CTAB improvements

So its probably that

[rocky glen]

BCE would be so hawwwwtt

[spiral veldt]

When I joined the server I fell and got downed immediately. Did anyone else have that? 😂

[pine dust]

#1124647926199758899 message

@regal onyx Pretty cool idea but with one question, I know the B2 has a extreamly long required landing zone is it the same in the mod, because I had people tell me that this plane could barely land on the fort polk airfield (wich it pretty long).

Thats the only issue I see with it just because if we are going to have to find ALZ's for it it would be unrealistic and kinda wierd

Also just the fact that U2 never really work direct combat with troops its always been that they did long recon missions at high altitute and I dont really know how we would be able to integrate this into the game without having the plane get shot down easily or just be a bitch to control.

[regal onyx]

I'm not reading that

[pine dust]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-heads-david-byrne-aga-ied-i-have-planted-an-ied-on-your-porch-gif-20244047

[regal onyx]

• no it doesn't take that long, around the same as the C-130 or C-17

• it's arma who gives a fuck

[pine dust]

real

[granite cape]

https://youtu.be/_7Y6-vpLbVQ?si=fdGjk7AqWmripOGg&t=592

whos gonna put the pogo wheels back on?

[pine dust]

exacly

[regal onyx]

The G key on my keyboard

[granite cape]

we should have 2 pickups and make ogre do the follow behind

https://tenor.com/view/minions-despicable-me-stuart-the-minion-stuart-bee-do-bee-do-gif-4299354

[lapis abyss]

I dibs left wing

[rocky glen]

i love the U2 i love watching it take off and land at RAF Fairford and the little car in front

[zinc aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/hilux-toyota-capota-roll-over-cars-gif-14736196

[warped quest]

@vast igloo All for it everytime we do that map, the funniest shit happens, would be cool if we could do tanoa and get around the DLC block

#1124647926199758899 message

[edgy raptor]

I would love to do tanoa if we could get around needing Apex. but it would be a speed run due to size.

[agile cypress]

make pla the faction that will slow us down lol

fits the map aswell

[hazy delta]

💀

pla faction my beloved mentioned

[regal onyx]

I knew it

[edgy raptor]

Wasn’t that removed from the worshop though?

[regal onyx]

The dev deleted every mod he ever made and disappeared

[hazy delta]

the hero we needed

[regal onyx]

it sucks cus US SOC was kinda sick

[hazy delta]

yeah that was chill... there was a stinger in that mod that was insanely bad

but the m4 was cool

[regal onyx]

yuh mostly the m4

[warped quest]

I mean we could do it, just give some cool Battalion assets, but honestly WHO plays arma before 2024 doesnt own APEX, every sale includes apex 80% of the time

[rocky glen]

@lapis abyss there better be an LSO seat

[lapis abyss]

#1124647926199758899 message

https://tenor.com/view/are-we-blind-rogue-one-krennic-discord-reaction-gif-8941760437528251299

[rocky glen]

id safely assume they clicked on the wrogn channel

[lapis abyss]

i hope so

lol

[edgy raptor]

@hidden oar #1124647926199758899 message
With this being a public server we won't be hosting ops specificly for the KT troop. This would be something you would need to look at with your unit. You are free to join any public ops we host with your squad mates if / when they pop up.

[hidden oar]

Yeah i understand its really late and i like mye sleep hahaha

[rocky glen]

i love how there's one half of the community saying "nerf zu's too bwoken" and the other half wants a near-peer experience again

[sinful sable]

ZUs are funny tho

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-two-sides-clown-gif-13840177871754036084

[rocky glen]

ong

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message

@hidden oar go play antistasi blud

[hidden oar]

Bro its not my fault the ak is the better gun hahaha

Its so nice to use haha

[agile cypress]

It really isn’t

[sinful sable]

what did you say

[tacit pasture]

BreaCAGer — Today at 20:32
It really isn’t

[edgy raptor]

idk. looks fake. site your source

[agile cypress]

I’ve owned both

Oh you meant the message nvm

[edgy raptor]

shhhh shhh back to sleep

[glass owl]

We should do that funny mini-campaign we did like 2 years ago where we had AKs as US and had Civi SOPs suspended

It was a good day to be a Savage

[agile cypress]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/607380343317725291/1121342732623949844/brick_the_rat_sleep.gif

[sinful sable]

fucking hell it was

[potent sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-brick-rat-dance-fast-gif-18007003463893815712

[bold harness]

Can we just do FOG or a pmc group and get custom guns and AK105s

Nvm knockout agrees i change my mind ( i am joke )

[sinful sable]

hey, I can agree with you :(

we are not that different in opinions

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/forward-observations-group-entry-fog-forward-observations-group-shoot-house-gif-3888917214512949295

U aint FOG certified buddy

[sinful sable]

who needs forward observation anyway
just boom the grid

[bold harness]

@green umbra and i are handing out FOG certificates after vetting this person for 5 months

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553917324340625426/1316516313572577391/attachment.gif

[rocky glen]

omg you're such a gooner

[green umbra]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3147482833&searchtext=TOTT

this would be so cag

[bold harness]

@barren fulcrum shall i use the classified and vaulted and the G-14 gif

[green umbra]

I give you permission to publish that

wait

[bold harness]

Wait what

No no no

[green umbra]

Imma fix it give me a sec

[rocky glen]

nah you just goon to fog so badd

[bold harness]

Bro their footwork the way the move it

[rocky glen]

glaze is crazy

[bold harness]

Their kits ohh i just finished

[green umbra]

I have watched all the FOG videos fr

Bunker check server

[bold harness]

Bro i have my own fog goon playlist

[green umbra]

the music is peak

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-starfish-spongebob-daydream-dreaming-gif-12398543

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1293078138628214784/1318712136230240316/JSOAC_SUS.gif

[barren fulcrum]

That guy is cooking

[regal onyx]

that that Task Force R......

[bold harness]

Disclaimer: No one and i mean NO ONE is allowed to use this gif without my permission this gif is G-14 classified and wont be used in vain if anyone uses this gif in vain u will be touched at night

[green umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/rem-re-zero-ram-c4lypze-gif-24862415

[regal onyx]

tomcat gif incoming

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/you-to-me-gif-5464565068190392814

[barren fulcrum]

W

[barren fulcrum]

Incredible

[bold harness]

Oh shit

[regal onyx]

💀

[bold harness]

Its over

Its so joever

I meany thick at the end btw

[green umbra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021141581266427904/1285958228672249936/speechmemified_image.png.gif

[bold harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553917324340625426/1316516313572577391/attachment.gif

Lets take
This into kc air so we dont get banned lol

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/pharoh-pharaohs-curse-pharaoh-rabelious-curse-gif-13153602350627112349