Kc Feedback Forum

[half stone]

But still never a banana lol

[craggy turtle]

if agent is getting good fps then we're fine

[rocky glen]

that's so true

[craggy turtle]

yessir

[umbral raft]

#1124647926199758899 message
@strange meteor

Most people use Banshee as "combat rescue" tho as the SOPs somewhat hint at this as get in and get out

[sinful sable]

It's good FPS with an asterisk

[umbral raft]

I think people should stop using 1-9 as some attached medic that walks with a squad

[craggy turtle]

understandable lmao

[sinful sable]

The thing is doing it's work, but when I trigger it, gpu goes ballistic and so it'll go from 180 to 40 back to 180

[umbral raft]

I do think that PAKing and surgery (fractures) should fall on to 1-9 who shouldn't be on the frontline and banshee can grab and drop off at 1-9

[sinful sable]

See, the answer is yes

But I had been introduced to a little tool that does some frame generation with the GPU

Yeeee

No no, we mean stuff like Nvidia Image Scaling, etc, etc.

Generating intermediate frames

Lossless Scaling

Yep

[craggy turtle]

I've heard it kinda helps but that depends

[naive kayak]

Get a better computer

[ebon gyro]

Only 5,5 million of them according to the start screen

[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

why is naoto from p4 the thumbnail lmao

[glad field]

#1124647926199758899 message @strange meteor I think this is a near-perfect solution, completely agree with everything you said. If it was down to me I'd have it liked it used to be... if you needed a PAK you gotta find a bird and catch a ride back to the FOB or pull back far enough to an actually pre-designated CCP manned by 1-9, and Banshee, but there is too many tik-tok brains playing now, it wouldn't be feasible and people would just log instead of attempting to get sorted. Can't help but see a few of the same people who abused the Goblin Medic slots are now playing Banshee, doing the same thing.

[ebon gyro]

Sorted a CASEVAC yesterday as phantom, stabilized him but he needed fluids and no medics nearby, organized an LZ with 1-8/stalker popped smoke and plopped him in the back of the chopper, flew with him to FOB and got him sorted in the medical building. Fun and dynamic for everyone, well except for LBC1Nest who had to stare at a black screen for 15 min though while I was stabilizing and carried him around.

[rocky glen]

i would love to be in his position if i could tell i was being worked on by voices

[ebon gyro]

It sure was more fun than saying hey Escape -> abort.

[rocky glen]

if you go down, expect to be down for a while or not long at all, simple

[visual trail]

Tbh I will happily play lib to just break my legs and call 9 lines all day lmao

[zinc aurora]

im of the opinion that most people would be willing to sit through a black screen for longer periods of time

idk if it's weird, but it's quite satisfying hearing everyone put in effort and work on you and then you wake up to get back into the fight

only boring part of blackscreens is when nobody is coming to save you

also I think most people who wouldn't tolerate longer black screens are already likely to just give up and abort anyway with current medical settings

[bright bane]

every time i go down and i know im not waking up i tab out my game 🗿

[naive kayak]

Players don’t wanna walk 1000m to an obj. Majority definitely do not want to sit on a black screen for more than a few min

[sinful sable]

See, bot

There's a lot of reasons why so much support is slotted

One of them is the large amount of black screens and deaths, disrupting flow

[odd echo]

1000m LOL
We used to walk 2-4k. Did complain but we just accepted it and marched on

[sinful sable]

As for walking distance, walking 2km is fine

[lapis abyss]

1000m is nothing, at a minimum for initial inserts the boots are walking atleast 1.3 - 1.5

[odd echo]

Once we get good supply we can motorise. 2 humvees per squad

[lapis abyss]

deadass we can, we get rich on deni

[sinful sable]

We will be able to do lots of cool stuff

[naive kayak]

I know. I’m making the comparison that lotta players don’t wanna walk the 1k. So they’re definitely not gonna be patient being blacked out for 10+ min

[lapis abyss]

grrr

[tacit pasture]

preach lil bro

[hazy delta]

"lil bro" 💀

[tacit pasture]

real

[ebon gyro]

The best way is just having ogre pushed up doing shuttle service from the HLZ to the front lines.

When line squads get motorized that usually means they will drive out and then leave the vehicle at their initial staging point and re-inserts are anyways forced to walk from the HLZ to the front lines, because their own squad is too far away from their vehicle to pick the member up, or can’t be assed.

The vehicles are great for storing and transporting resupply crates though though for the next push.

[ebon gyro]

#1124647926199758899 message

You can point, just not get a magic black circle exactly where you are looking visible to everyone in your vicinity without saying word.

[low oak]

Yeah, that would be dumb af 😂

[glad field]

@low oak agree with your suggestion mate, not sure if it should be straight numbers, but maybe like, butcher-1 can deploy @ any pop, butcher 2 needs at least 1 full line squad (or equivalent i.e. half of 1-1 half of 1-4 slotted), then butcher 3 at like 3 full line squads or maybe for butcher 3 just a hard pop count would be okay. Then maybe also, this could be overruled by a 6-6 so long as they have a rational that's justifiable?

I know it's disheartening, and the fact a lot of noobies have just got their perms they are obviously going to want to play butcher... but yes, I can't help but feel we're slowly moving away from being infantry-centric. Maybe not something to implement straight away but maybe take a look before we open asset exams again when population stabilises, people go back to playing regular roles and see what it's like then.. and if it's still an issue of too many assets vs. infantry could maybe look to implement at that point instead?

[agile cypress]

things change depending on the map

this one is extremely open

butcher will be played more

it is normal

when we play maps not suited to butcher (ie the past 3 months of vietnam) then there is way more inf

[regal onyx]

we went from maps terrible for butcher to maps great for it, obviously people are gonna want to play it. but i get the sentiment of too many

[agile cypress]

exactly

and from what ive seen inf is still getting slapped around even with all the butcher support so there is enough EI for them still

[glad field]

yeah, but you can't say we still didn't have the issue of assets v infantry on the vietnam maps too... it's hard nut to crack which is why I would suggest if admins do pick it up and want to take a look, we wait til people go back to normal-ish

[hazy delta]

meh last map it was mostly airbozos having the fun

[agile cypress]

it isnt assets making people not want to play infantry lol

[rocky glen]

its a tough nut to crack cause lib is an insanely difficult balancing act, you change one thing, and it changes 3 other things

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[glad field]

so what is it in your opinion?

[agile cypress]

lack of any kind of squad cohesion with SLs, players within infantry, experienced players not in infantry

and removing assets isnt gonna make those people go play inf

[hazy delta]

real

[rocky glen]

slots are first come first serve anyway, as funny as it is having no inf but 3 butchers, it's their choice if they wanna do that or not

[sinful sable]

Infantry is just not what it used to be, so why bother

[bold harness]

they are just gonna quit , plus even if we dont have assets numbers are gonna be even lower cause they are just going to get pounded over and over again

[agile cypress]

if you wanna remove assets it will have the opposite effect, less people are gonna play and infantry will have an even harder time they will just be getting killed on repeat

this map is already the easiest lib has been in the time ive ever played it

[naive kayak]

why would they quit? no ones getting rid of assets, just unlocking em with numbers

[rocky glen]

it's because lib is combined arms, it needs everyone

[glad field]

i get that, and i get breachers point too ... but the server is supposed to be based on the infantry being the core element, not the armored part

[bold harness]

not really quit but theres gonna be less numbers plus most of the time we dont cross the 40 player threshold

[sinful sable]

Well the core element isn't nearly as fun as it used to be

So every support element is just naturally getting a boost because nobody likes what they see when they slot

[rocky glen]

what if we dont get above that number of pop for weeks on end and just have an unusuable asset

[bold harness]

infantry shines in different maps and eras like GWOT , and fallujah

[glad field]

maybe scroll up and read my post mate... I said that a 6-6 or maybe a 1-6? should be able to ignore the restrictions given he can provide a plausible reason if questioned by an admin or something

[naive kayak]

no one is playing infantry for several reason imo. No one wants to be an SL anymore, everyone just wants the perms SL gives. Last map was hard because of teh AI (though i thought it was fun) and this map has been taken over by assets because they can kill at longer ranges leading to infantry squads not really doing anything over open terrian.

[rocky glen]

i did, that definition of plausible is very much up for interpretation, which is not what a rule should be

that will end up just causing arguments imho

[glad field]

that's part of the responsibility of having those 1-6 or 6-6 perms though, that you are trusted to make key decisions

[naive kayak]

its gonna be a blanket yes, because its 6s decision

[bold harness]

its probably gonna feel more like cod unlocking slots with numbers idk

[naive kayak]

which admins wont get in the way of

[rocky glen]

exactly

[odd echo]

Inf is getting used to actually needing SA and better terrain/not jungle where you either never see it coming or enemies are within 50 with enemy armor assets

They need time

[low oak]

You say that like they’re going to face armour galore, it’s low pop, no BGs

[glad field]

I mean, no disrespect but I don't really see many of you guys here playing any infantry roles very often apart from Ausecurity (sorry if some of you play under different names and I'm being a moron), so would love some more people who maybe just play infantry to voice their opinions on this too

[odd echo]

I play assets a lot and def play lib because of them but honestly you do be right. There shouldnt be 3 bradleys 1 abrams thats cheap af with no inf.

[naive kayak]

Inf is getting blueballed by not having much to shoot since butcher and air can freely take care of most of it since its open terrain. Which is the problem for every modern campaign

[low oak]

I play banshee generally

[potent sinew]

ww2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/145700045008797697/1287663041814597663/image0.gif

[glad field]

remove perms altogether, it's shermans all round

[low oak]

More so at low pop, less shit spawning in

[naive kayak]

unless theres 2 butchers

[low oak]

No like it’s a bigger issue on low pop, butcher kills the few things there are

[glad field]

yes this is the main issue... if it's true we had 3 bradleys and 1 abrams with not even a full line squad? like... surely you see where I'm coming from

[agile cypress]

this aint my job im gonna play roles i enjoy

[glad field]

yeah no problem man, but it affects the rest of the server. it's not just your fun that is important to us all

[agile cypress]

and i've played butcher for 3/4 restarts this map the rest i've played inf actually

[glad field]

@agile cypress do agree heavy some of this is down to SLs being a bit... idk how to say it but like... just blindly following whatever their 1-6 says.. barely ever hear people formulating their own plans anymore or organising between the line squads themselves... i get what you mean definitely about a lot of people just getting SL so they can be TL in other roles

[potent sinew]

follow the line men

cover isnt real

[hazy delta]

💀

[glad field]

everyone ive drawn 4 lines please follow blindly, dying and repeating for next 45 mins and run 2km back to AO.. please don't use the natural cover 100m off your line that will conceal you all the way into the objective /s

[naive kayak]

last map i fogoed being 8 a lot of time to sl cause not many do it anymore

[odd echo]

People are just not used to being able to do tactics/SUTs easily since nam was all platoon blob death wave over and over again

Also ive noticed a real issue with comms. If shit happens people are just silent

[low oak]

Clearly you’ve not been on with merciful 👀😅, you’ll be sure to hear what’s going on

[potent sinew]

1 minute of gunshots

not a single thing said

[agile cypress]

infantry didnt get completely wiped 5 times before taking the point assets are doing too much

[odd echo]

When I was 7 and a squad was in contact I have to run around and figure out whats going on. Dont get a contact report, dont get an aar

[odd echo]

Exactly

[low oak]

Yeah, that was a mess, I couldn’t even get cover to grab a guy 😂

[odd echo]

Just tell me "1-1, in contact, enemy squad, north 100 meters"

Thats all I need

[low oak]

Guy said “I’m fixing myself” while getting shot

[potent sinew]

i'd play 6 or 7 but 99% of the time i dont want to be responsible for the fun of 30-40 people

[rocky glen]

so true

[glad field]

yeah, and when people should be shooting you just get an insane amount of useless chatter on 31. I used to run it for my awareness as a TL or even line squad member, now I avoid it like the plague because 90% of the information broadcasted on that net is absolutely useless.. comes back again I think to the quality of the SLs but that will always improve slowly over time

[low oak]

I usually just hear people complaining unless the plans gone EXACTLY to plan

I was last 1-6 in modern NAM, shit went well until it didn’t in a walk valley with 150m difference in elevation in the space of 300m

[odd echo]

I dont know ive kind of gotten used to that cause its lib. If it gets really bad ill just netcall that I want relevant information on Platoon net only

[low oak]

Even then I caught line squads bitching and complaining when they didn’t think I was near

[potent sinew]

nam infantry gameplay was at its peak
walk for a kilometer
get shot through 20 bushes

[low oak]

Wasn’t always if you used the appropriate lines, I tended to use a wedge

[potent sinew]

i mean it was doable but playing as the infantry man sucked just because arma AI is arma AI

[low oak]

But yeah, coordination and knowing when to hold a line squad etc is crucial, just because you can move forward doesn’t mean you should

[glad field]

the issue with the current 1-6s imo is that we go too slow and we play too spread out. People don't take a 10 minute platoon hold on the chin anymore, so that you can push through an hours worth of combat. Now we go to the AO, die once and from there nobody runs a full platoon or even a full squad, it's always death and trickle back in. I guess I shouldn't talk too much shit cos I barely play 1-6 anymore, but will look to 1-7 if I see some of the newer guys slotted in going forward

[half stone]

I'm telling you guys, next campaign should be WWI trench warfare, infantry and lots of artillery with no counterbattery

[trail sigil]

Meh, American Civil War... Butcher is attached to savage using the mortar cannons and cannons

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/jet-halal-gif-26338086

[hazy delta]

I mean one easy way to nerf butcher right there^

💀

KH-38 goes crazy

[rocky glen]

fr

[regal onyx]

Current red air is like child's play vs the pla/old Russian red air lol

[hazy delta]

I mean mig29s launch fox3s and 2s at our air. mig21s are meh

Hinds are kinda mid

wish we had mi-28s

Also tbh cancer red air is bad for the server

[rocky glen]

mig 29s literally just oscilate around the ao doing nothing

hinds are the only "threat"

[hazy delta]

idk they be carrying missiles

they be launching in editor from like 8-6km

[bold harness]

i have made friends with 4 migs up until now

[regal onyx]

I watched stalker get launched on yesterday so they definitely have missiles

[rocky glen]

ive rarely seen them launch

[hazy delta]

could be to terrain

[rocky glen]

i think theyve been nerfed cause of last map imo

[hazy delta]

meh idk

take the dub have fun play more tacticool

[rocky glen]

fair enough

[half stone]

Imagine if the Su-27 and Su-34 mods were added lol

[half stone]

Because of how much people complained about them lol

[sinful sable]

I mean, they kind of are

when we had PLA, we were constantly fighting them

I don't think those two mods would make much of a difference either, imo they match the PLA variants in performance but eh

they don't really have any wunderwaffe attached on them (and their default loadouts) that would drastically change stuff up

[agile cypress]

on cam lao we did 10x better vs pla jets

compared to tigeria

/ australia

[sinful sable]

during australia it was pretty fine tho

[rocky glen]

i just want them to ram butcher off a hill again

shit was so fucking funny

[sinful sable]

during tigeria we were experiencing a lot of the issues on cam lao, but as marines while the thing we'd normally use to shoot down the jets, which is a good F-35, wasn't there and the F/A-18 just doesn't quite do it as well as the F-16

[rocky glen]

we didnt really buy any fixed wing at all during tigeria

[low oak]

#1124647926199758899 message appreciate the well thought out response @proud axle I still enjoy it, just know there’s been a decent amount of people who’ve been frustrated by the amount of butchers on Vs line squads being filled and/or the amount of stuff butchers killing occasionally.

The mechanised idea does sound like a good overall idea, maybe just the butcher assets need a price hike to stop them from being as easily replaced after getting lost so it falls back on infantry a little more in the interim

Overall I’m still enjoying it, I rock medic related roles to try keep the front up and not unconscious despite their new found struggles of not setting defensive lines lol

[proud axle]

Ye i for sure understand. pricing of assets will be considered continuing/finishing up this campaign but for now, pricing probably remains the same. We'll monitor how things continue to play out

[agile cypress]

we've only lost 1 butcher asset we've purchased the whole map

which just happened a few hours ago

[low oak]

Purchased being the operative word

[agile cypress]

and we've got like 2k of each supply price is not a factor

also, the 2 butcher assets we've bought didnt get price decreases lol

the linebacker and bradley are exactly the same price that they've been for months

[low oak]

It is in the overall mind of 1-6s who gotta think of transport, Goblin vehicles (ik we currently have one), Ogre vehicles etc. those prices add up and they’ll take precedence in most 6 minds

[low oak]

Yes but everything else is cheaper, making it cheaper, because you got more to play with not used up on vehicles like humvees etc

[agile cypress]

huh

we've got plenty of supplies to play with because of the 7 factories we have

not because of price decreases

the decreases are pretty minimal we havent bought that much that has been reduced

i think we had near 7 factories at the end of the entire map on tigeria lol

maybe 9

[gray python]

We're currently sitting pretty at 2000, 2000, 5000 I believe after my most recent logi run

[agile cypress]

i think the lack of infantry is completely unrelated to butcher tbh

even when no butcher is on there are way less people playing it

and the apache hasnt been used much and definitely hasnt been killing all the EI on points either

inexperienced infantry due to vietnam with few SLs who know how to run a squad in modern is turning people off from it mainly imo

constantly keep seeing entire squads in contact running through 300m open areas

and then wondering why they die, walking another 3km back to the point and then blaming butcher the EI are dead

1-6s are also to blame for that partly for not giving squads ground transport and LZs being way too far

its gonna take awhile for people to adapt to modern

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message @proud axle i said this earlier too but i feel there's been a large amount of butchers lately because of the map being very friendly to it compounded with a bunch of people just getting perms

I think it'll even out soon, I've had a good time so far and it feels way different the previous maps from recent times

[agile cypress]

also people havent had butcher support for the whole of vietnam

so they've got used to inf doing pretty much all of the fighting by themselves

but combined arms is what makes lib interestring

[proud axle]

Ye new perms, Butcher friendly map for sightline/terrain/etc....it all adds up.

[rocky glen]

butcher is very very peak this map, i love it, i do wish more infantry would be with us though

[lapis abyss]

Feedback:

I really love the new AI compositions at the moment. It's really great to see infantry with more RPGs to combat our armour as well as reduced AA which makes rotary CAS so much more effective. Last night flying demon for the first time in a while I was able to fly directly over Friendly's heads while engaging a compound with rockets and guns and I know that everyone there loved it.

before everyone starts complaining why I was so close it was 30 until restart and most vehicles and emplacements were previously engaged from a further distance

[gray python]

It's quite fun, I just wish there was more ai and vics per point, not heavy vics but just more lighter ones

It seems like there's a lot less AI spawning with every point

[rocky glen]

i want more vics i agree

and heavy armour

[ebon gyro]

This 👆🏻

Played all different types of roles this map. Not an asset issue, it’s an all of the above issue and as usual never heard anyone in game complain when I’m playing infantry about having support.

Was it ridiculous that midday EU / night NA and 10 players online to field 3 butchers, yes.

Would a 10 player inf only pop have more fun, maybe, maybe not. Most likely they’d stay at FOB, or PB wave spawn for while until EU afternoon.

[gray python]

@zealous dagger what sop #1124647926199758899 message

[zealous dagger]

All of them cause some of them are outdated

[agile cypress]

which ones?

[hazy delta]

Soo honestly either we keep it as it is and add back the SOP that butchers need to be attached to squads and support -> making them get closer to the fight instead of sitting 1-2 km away
Or they change compositions, add tanks and more AT, increase price bla bla but then when we dont have those assets, the counter to the butchers would literally wipe the floor with infantry and that aint good either imo

[potent sinew]

didnt that used to be sop

[hazy delta]

"add back"

[potent sinew]

let a man be blind

[hazy delta]

💀

[rocky glen]

i am so for the first one

[potent sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/very-soon-gif-26337169

[rocky glen]

butcher should be with inf

[hazy delta]

So that means the composition stays roughly the same imo (they could add back tanks on points rn there's really nothing that can kill the abrams)

[ebon gyro]

You really think this is a common issue, or an overreaction to what played out today?

Rocky launch with arma updates, mod updates, server down times, huge amount of batallion assets from start as well as a new perm wave has something to do with it.

Overcompensating for something that normally isn’t a problem isn’t the way, putting rules on everything doesn’t make things more fun.

[hazy delta]

Well it used to be a rule before

I dont say they have to do that but the sentiment rn is that butcher kinda strong

at the same time last map air was really strong

cuz butcher was useless

so this might just need a tiny bit of tweaking and not a drastic measure like another SOP

or an overhaul of the composition

imo just add tanks back on normal points and make ground BGs be 1-2 tanks + IFVs + ZSUs + btrs with inf and maybe some urals

thats at least my take on it

[rocky glen]

im with botan

it just needs to have more armour

[agile cypress]

composition we had for beketov was good and would transfer well to deniland, may have been used on lots of other maps aswell its just the most recent i remember

[regal onyx]

I also agree with botan

[rocky glen]

i have blanked beketov

[agile cypress]

or just the same as last time we played deniland

[ebon gyro]

Or, start with us the players and actually enforce the danger close of HE in civilian objectives, that’s the biggest throttle on assets that we have.

[potent sinew]

Feel like more mechanized with bmps and BTRs and maybe 1-2 tanks would be nice

would give the AT roles more

[hazy delta]

yeah

Anything thats not a tank is basically a 1-2 shot from at-4

even t-80s can get 1tapped by at-4 with a well placed shot

[regal onyx]

Maybe like an earlier model t72 or t80 that's not era'd out keep the " Gucci " tanks for bgs

[potent sinew]

one thing to keep in mind with a bunch of armor it can make it worse for the inf especially with tanks that take a bunch of hits

[hazy delta]

thats the thing

increasing armor to counter butcher

fucks the infantry

if there's no butch or if they cant do their job

[agile cypress]

we dealt with heavy armour on objs just fine forever

[ebon gyro]

Has anyone here really personally experienced that their experience has been negated by butcher?

Or are we all having a discussion about a potentially non-existent sentiment within the playerbase?

[agile cypress]

imo the inf issues are way more player induced than the people complaining realize and are just blaming butcher

[potent sinew]

yeah butcher isnt too much of a problem

[rocky glen]

nope, but i have felt as butcher there should be more of a threat of armour

[potent sinew]

only time it effected me was earlier i saw 3 butchers and no inf and didnt want to slot inf

but that was like 15 pop

[ebon gyro]

Yeah and today is somewhat of an outlier, it would be the same thing as If there were 10 people and you have 2 shadows, 4 ogres and 4 banshees. It’s not a shadow, ogre and banshee role problem really, then is it?

[agile cypress]

which happened for 1 obj it isnt a massive issue

[hazy delta]

Ima bring you another problem

its pretty easy now in butch

In an abrams literally nothing can kill you on a point

[rocky glen]

this is what i mean

[ebon gyro]

Well red air is there to kill you

[hazy delta]

Unless you drive into a point, step on an IED then mine + RPG to the ass

[hazy delta]

hinds are literally retarded

if we had mi-28s then sure

[rocky glen]

bradley can just get hit by 40mms and gmgs, vodniks can be towed, red air is blind

[agile cypress]

I agree with the fact there should be more threats to butcher

[gray python]

Rhs red air sucks shit

[agile cypress]

it makes butcher gameplay more interesting aswell if there is actully more armour to kill

[rocky glen]

also the russian RPGs dont do anything to us

unless theyre lucky

i've only been killed by arma, or mines

[regal onyx]

We got hit by an rpg and it killed our gunner and commander (this was in the brad tho)

[rocky glen]

wtf

we literally digested 40mm, and rpgs today

[agile cypress]

depends what kind of rpg

[rocky glen]

idk but it had a rocket and went boom into us about 20 times and no effect

@raven frigate can back me up

[hazy delta]

All im saying btw is just add like 1-2 tanks per point

[regal onyx]

Idk what it was i was looking left it hit us from the right, red turret 2 dead

[rocky glen]

t-80s, t-72s and t-90s would be really fun

that bg we had yesterday i dont remember who was with me, that was amazing

[agile cypress]

1-4 AT is also pretty useless when at-4s can kill all armour

i've seen it barely used

[hazy delta]

meh

[agile cypress]

only bgs

[rocky glen]

and there is no armour anyway

[hazy delta]

L take

1-4 can kill shit from range

where they dont get shot

at-4 are like: we're getting pushed by this thing we gotta kill it

[rocky glen]

yeah at-4's are more defensive, MAAWS/Jav are offensive

[hazy delta]

basically

[agile cypress]

useless is the wrong word, its good obviously but people arent actually using it much from what ive seen

[hazy delta]

we don t need to overthink this thing

dont add crazy AT shit and increase prices and idk...

and add felons bla bla

just fine adjustment should do it

[rocky glen]

just add felons i want to see the world on fire

[hazy delta]

or else its gonna be aids again

[hazy delta]

STFU (this joke)

[rocky glen]

[regal onyx]

Replace with law instead of at4?

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/svrainy-rage-bait-ragebait-discord-ratio-gif-13199580423258451726

[hazy delta]

no

[regal onyx]

[rocky glen]

nah

[hazy delta]

I really dont want to go back to aids butcher gameplay of you lose a 1k 1k 1k by getting killed by temu armor through bush and then line infantry is just you die....

Also with the amount of supplies and how cheap vics are we really really should go back to GAF-ing more and actually utilising our vics instead of being afraid they're gonna die

[cobalt frigate]

Do we have a bradley that is bat?

[rocky glen]

I wanna do what i did last map and just play 6-6 for a restart and move a fob and buy a shit ton of ground vics, tmrw i may need some cadre to help design the airport fob south

[hazy delta]

I mean literally we can do fallujah type gaf again

[rocky glen]

literally

[hazy delta]

with how many supplies we will have

[rocky glen]

shit is so cheap, give each squad 2 crows humvees

or a crows stryker

[hazy delta]

Its probably more fun than increasing prices and AT again, just gotta shift into more larp than tryharding the map i guess

[rocky glen]

[hazy delta]

It also comes down to 1-6s mindset, we're so used to putting butcher sbfs 1-2-3kms out so we dont lose the asset.... me and @tacit pasture and @sweet flume literally were so bored sitting on a hill 3km out we crossed a bridge and went next to the line squads on the road for support (and cool factor) helping them take down like GMGs/EI and cover them as they cross from compounds to compounds

more fun imo

[ebon gyro]

Strykers is the way to go, everyone can fit in it, more survivable, also normalize every SL bringing out their own crate again. Fill it up with ammo, meds etc and keep transport it in the Stryker.

Don’t be afraid to leave the Stryker if it’s unsafe to drive it in to the point, you can leave it and continue on foot, when you take the objective you can always ask to have Ogre push the vehicle to your new position. Rinse and repeat.

Also have Ogre doing shuttles between the HLZ and the front line.

[rocky glen]

this is exactly what i did the restart before with the chadley

way more fun having inf around you

ESPECIALLY in "cqb"

[rocky glen]

sure, whatever works (strykers look cooler honestly lol)

[tacit pasture]

Oh yeah, a lot more engaging for everyone really. I've always kept that ethos, Infantry get to see cool tank and we get to see cool infantry. Its a win-win

[rocky glen]

Remember when you played butch loads during fallujah? half my recordings from it is watching yall shoot shit cause it looks so cool from the outside

sniping shit from far is just kinda boring, save for an abrams shooting heavy armour

[hazy delta]

i find this so weird also

on fallujah we had like nothing to really kill butcher

[regal onyx]

CQC butcher is superior to sbf butcher and i will die on that hill

[hazy delta]

and people really didnt complain at all

Like butch could literally wipe points with the brads (at least in the desert part) and no one had issues

[hazy delta]

real

[regal onyx]

Remember those first 3 points that kept procing over and over lol

[hazy delta]

with how lib is rn there's like no reason to sit 2-3 km away from friendly forces

its 😴 gameplay too

[rocky glen]

there was CONSTANT infantry thats why

It was just waves and waves of talis, felt difficult and fun

at least if i remember correctly

[hazy delta]

it was a lot of inf i guess

but they were also like with no bodyarmor

[regal onyx]

Being in an abrams in the middle of an intersection when an spg techie rounds the corner and vampire starts screaming at me is peak and had my heart racing

[rocky glen]

lmaooo

im so mad i didnt play more butch during then

[hazy delta]

Or when Hive's brad gets hit by an rpg

My LAV's turret is down and the only solution is to run over the guy with the RPG

[regal onyx]

I remember i was the driver lol...

[rocky glen]

i remember the clip aka got of a rpg guy being ran over

[hazy delta]

its my clip

i was driving blud

💀

[rocky glen]

Oh

I thought it was aka

[hazy delta]

nah

[rocky glen]

WAIT AKA WAS THE RPG

[hazy delta]

yeah that was aka tony and able iirc

[rocky glen]

i see

yeah i couldnt ever get a slot in butch during fallujah

and if there was one free it was low pop and i was doing something else

[hazy delta]

that map lasted like 4 days

i played at least a restart every day i think

shit was fire

[rocky glen]

fr

i really miss it

I want to do a fun map like that again

[half stone]

Let's do hard mode Altis

Super beefy armored battlegroups, lots of enemy air, heavily defended objectives, frequent enemy artillery and rocket attacks

The upside would be that all assets are dirt cheap

An Abrams would be like 150 of each

[low oak]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-fook-who-the-fook-is-that-guy-whos-that-who-is-that-gif-16635951

#1124647926199758899 message

[rocky glen]

As much as i'd love this, no one else would 😭

[agile cypress]

I think it’d be fun

[gray python]

That sounds fun, but they'd need to buff our capabilities in some ways

Besides just cheap assets

[low oak]

And no longer infantry focused

[hazy delta]

meh, everyone would play assets, do altis with waves of enemy inf + motorized (btrs, tigris, etc) but we dont get reapers and butchers are basically lavs, AAVPs or strykers, even the shitty ASV and demon is LOS CAS only and only red air is like hinds or even mi-8s with rockets

[rocky glen]

id be down for that as well

[low oak]

Then you’ll have people complaining about “bad” assets against better Russian stuff

[hazy delta]

womp womp

[gray python]

I see no reason why we couldn't also give the infantry better equipment as well

[hazy delta]

its the same shit for everyone

russians only have APCs and we do too

[low oak]

No, it’s supposed to be infantry focused

[hazy delta]

bro did not read

what i said istg

"waves of enemy inf"

and apcs

most inf focused you can get

[low oak]

But I did, you want to use fuck tonnes of armour, remove the variety to overfocus on the APC

[hazy delta]

also rhs russian armor is balanced

[hazy delta]

bro

[low oak]

Focus doesn’t mean only bruh

[hazy delta]

we use tons of armor now

[low oak]

And do you see me saying that’s good? No

[hazy delta]

we only didnt use tons of armor last map

cuz jungle

bro LAVs are thinfoil armor

and aavps are gmg + hmgs

if the enemy dont have tanks you literally dont need a brad

better than what cynic said anyways

imo

[rocky glen]

lavs are also amphibious and iirc altis has a few rivers

[hazy delta]

yes

lavs and aavps are amphib

idk about the ASV

[rocky glen]

which is fun

[low oak]

So why get rid of the VARIETY

[hazy delta]

i got muted lol

[rocky glen]

💀

[low oak]

No shit, you want to strip everything besides APCs basically

[hazy delta]

why get rid of variety?

cuz they're broken

in an enviroment where you dont face russian tanks

or IFVs lol

[low oak]

They’re not, people just bitch and complain, refuse to learn strengths and weaknesses

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[low oak]

We face tanks on BGs

6 MBTs

[hazy delta]

Altis inf focused
Remove Bluefor Abrams/Brads and run more mechanized/motorized butcher attached to inf
Remove Russian Tanks/IFVs and face a more inf focused motorized/mechanized opfor (mtlbs, tigers, btrs etc...)
Red air only RW with hinds...
Blufor air only LOS RW CAS, remove reaper

read again

[low oak]

They get AT, the have red air, they have field guns, we’re one tank, add the BG it comes to user skill. I wiped a BG solo Abram’s because of positioning, we used most of our ammo.

Your idea for getting the inf focus is removing whole roles

[hazy delta]

yeah

like we did on fallujah

and people liked it

no one cried reaper was gone for one map

and LOS CAS is fun for everyone

[low oak]

Everyone likes the idea of it, people get bored AF if it’s for a long map

Which Deni is

[hazy delta]

thats cap deniland 1 year ago was based

[tacit pasture]

People get bored AF every map regardless of what’s available

[gray python]

Botan muted

is crazy

[hazy delta]

nah im still yapping

im just grey role

😂

[hazy delta]

Also this

its a good change of pace imo

This is just like an idea

[rocky glen]

i like botans idea but im also in favour for hardcore

[hazy delta]

hardcore aint good imo, it was literally cam lao pla

that shit was hardcore 💀

no one really liked it

[lapis abyss]

grey role moment

[rocky glen]

true i guess

idk then

[hazy delta]

might be better on altis with russian armor that aint broken and not jungle

[tacit pasture]

Botany’s idea is just ranger BLUFOR

[rocky glen]

i liked the challenge

[hazy delta]

its a good comparison

but when we did rangers they had s300s

we had reapers

i want to remove both so LOS CAS is a thing

and Im tired of just strykers, marines light armor is cool too

[rocky glen]

honestly you just need to make manpads rare or nonexistent them LOS is possible

[tacit pasture]

Er well not really

[hazy delta]

in my idea, LOS CAS and vics would be cheap asf

so it wouldnt really matter unless we're really really stupid

[rocky glen]

fair enough

[low oak]

Nobody was allowed to because they were called dumb, I loved it, because I could actually do platoon tactics and people would generally listen because they couldn’t see much to lead them astray

[hazy delta]

plus more AAA focused than manpads

ZUs and stuff

[rocky glen]

ok W take

AAA isn't actually too RNG to evade so

[hazy delta]

im talking about cam lao modern blud

[tacit pasture]

PLA was awful to go against. Truly dreadful

[rocky glen]

They were defo the hardest

[tacit pasture]

Not even a good dreadful it was just broken

[hazy delta]

Yeah

[tacit pasture]

Inf was fine but armour was crazy

[rocky glen]

Botan would kill me for saying this, but it'd be interesting to see what would happen if they added felons to air bgs this map

[hazy delta]

Its fun when its hard sure, but when they're broken and their mechanics break realism (crazy temu ERA) its shit

[tacit pasture]

IFVs with 50mm armour having invisible god-ERA

[hazy delta]

honestly wouldnt even be half bad

with how many supplies we have and assets being cheap

[rocky glen]

Because almost every campaign we've always had one big threat like that

This one we don't

[hazy delta]

i'd start with havocs tho

[tacit pasture]

Sure if we add an AWACS

[rocky glen]

Fair

[hazy delta]

instead of dumb dumb hinds

[tacit pasture]

They spawn in and let shit rip immediately

[hazy delta]

im retracting this

giv harpy patriot

then add felon back

[rocky glen]

lmfao

[hazy delta]

i mean they can snipe our assets from so fac

far

[rocky glen]

thats a fair point

[hazy delta]

while being stealth, so we should be able to counter

(CAP dont work)

[rocky glen]

fr? why

[hazy delta]

(maybe with f-18 mod with old CAP loadout it work little bro speedy did it back in the day, 2v1 against felons)

[rocky glen]

impressive

[hazy delta]

Doc's typing 😂

harpy mentioned

[strange meteor]

Stfu

[hazy delta]

😂

[strange meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/who-tf-asked-gif-25686565

I just sit in my little ADA cave until someone mentions Harpy

[rocky glen]

he is John Air Defense after all

[strange meteor]

Hey, I'm branching out

I played 1-8 the other day

[hazy delta]

bro's branching to 1-8

me and cosmic and bot went to fantum

[rocky glen]

im playing butcher

weve all branched out fr fr

[strange meteor]

I played fantum for like 2 restarts with yall on modern nam

[rocky glen]

but yeah give harpy a Tunguska with the american flag on so its blufor

then I'd probably play it every day

or a pantsir

[strange meteor]

So the Sgt. York

[hazy delta]

i hate how for a game like arma/war thunder, America has dogshit shorad

there's not a lot they can give us since it dont exist

SGt. York old asf

[strange meteor]

Because American put all their skill points into HIMAD

[hazy delta]

yeah

[strange meteor]

Patriot and Aegis fucking slap

[hazy delta]

M-Shorad when

[strange meteor]

Now we gotta get SHORAD to catch up

[odd echo]

In BA

[hazy delta]

here comes the yapper

[hazy delta]

BA mentioned

[rocky glen]

cause soviet era shorad is more interesting and actually exists

[odd echo]

PLAYTEST IS ALMOST HERE (its never happening)

[hazy delta]

soviets did goofy shit like shilkas and then went for radar guided SHORAD like tunguska and pantsir

and also strapped strelas on their goofy ahh shilkas

[rocky glen]

the shilka is awesome

[odd echo]

US shorad be like:
8x .50 MGs strapped together
AT4
Patriot 1689 bijillion km away

[rocky glen]

4 ZUs with a radar

[hazy delta]

LAV AD mod when

thats what we need

[rocky glen]

oh my god yes

that or the m shorad

OR

[hazy delta]

lore accurate M-SHORAD where we cant use hellfires cuz they broke

[rocky glen]

or a C-ram that actually works

i need muh INCOMING INCOMING INCOMING

[odd echo]

It works just fucks the server
50 simulated shrapnel explosions per second

So no HE

[rocky glen]

F

[strange meteor]

Congrats you got what you asked for

Now it's a fixed asset and you just watch it do it's job automatically

[rocky glen]

im happy with that ngl

looks awesome when it fires

[hazy delta]

nah

thats cringe

I mean C-ram standalone aint good even if it had more range, stingers + 20mm is good tho

(LAV-AD)

[strange meteor]

LAV-AD is hawt

[hazy delta]

LAV-AD has 25mm* (corecting myself)

[sinful sable]

Sadly the reason it doesn't work is just that the USAF mod isn't able to accommodate the needs of KC lib for that role

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-your-gif-22328611

[half stone]

I was thinking along the lines of kicking it old school; give each squad a Javelin or two, arsenal pullable LAWs/AT-4s, relaxed SOPs for Shade/Savage in regards to proximity of engagements to infrastructure, and dedicated Reaper and Demon loadouts for armor busting

Just for Altis lol

And Lakka is a free fire zone, always

Fuck Lakka

[odd echo]

Nah we buy a nuke f-35

[sinful sable]

I mean, doesn't sound like the worst idea
we finally use some AGMs like mavericks for killing tanks? sounds neat

[gray python]

No we buy a B-2

[regal onyx]

Well do i have good news for you blud lol

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-meme-funny-gif-19504404

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-im-out-im-gone-disappear-gif-14773411

[tacit pasture]

I’m aware pookie

[regal onyx]

Bro wiped his Bi forum account too lol

[sinful sable]

wait, the PLA mod maker did?

[regal onyx]

Yeah

All the mod posts are still there (can't download anything cuz no workshop) but here wiped all his info/pictures from his profile and hasn't been back on it lol

[sinful sable]

damn, no more PLA

[cobalt frigate]

And nothing of value has been lost

Well the urgis were nice

But pla can go to hell

[half stone]

How dare you talk about the great West Taiwanese military that way

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/edited-avatar-avatar-sweep-avatar-movie-discord-gif-26695803

[odd echo]

#1124647926199758899 message @sudden stone Its the 40mm smokes dont bounce mod

[sudden stone]

Trust me they do 💀

[regal onyx]

Read it again pax

[sudden stone]

Oh you are saying, the mod we "need" is the 40mm smokes dont bounce?

I was thinkig abt vanilla smokes. Pretty sure those are the ones that "explode".? Maybe im wrong

[regal onyx]

99% sure that mod doesn't work anymore

That able is talking about

[odd echo]

Its been recommended time and time again, not sure why they wouldnt add it

unless it fucks with performance somehow all it does is disables the bounce on impact

We had it for like 1 map and worked perfectly fine

[hazy delta]

if cosmic is right shit dont worky

[sudden stone]

Asked Hive abt it, he told me to post it here again and @ him. He said the chance of it getting discuessed is bigger if the community shows support for it, i.e liking the comment i suppose

[odd echo]

It works for us

but ill have to check

in abit

[hazy delta]

yeah

[regal onyx]

I tried it a couple weeks ago for my server and it kept complaining that the key is fucked up, but it may have been a me thing

(this is the one i'm talking about for reference) https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1486853849&searchtext=bounce+smoke

looks like rabbit uploaded a fixed version a while ago https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2901127544&searchtext=bounce+smoke

[sudden stone]

@lapis abyss I agree it would be sick, but render shade pretty much useless. 1-4 having a 40mm is pretty much the same as have shade stationed anyways. But i ge twhat you mean

[ebon gyro]

Sounds like public Arma Reforger

Which is fun, hyper infantry-focused but no depth, but you have, soft tops and LMG humvees.

Literally join, make kit, avoid communication, kill/die. repeat.

Little communication and no accountability, that’s the public infantry experience.

Lib is great because you have a lot of moving parts with an actual price, which also has different strengths and weaknesses who all have to be integrated to be able to work in symbiosis with the infantry to achieve our common goal.

[zinc aurora]

still the harpy dream team™️

[regal onyx]

So real

[cobalt frigate]

My guy made 3 the exact same suggestions in a span of a couple of days

[rocky glen]

literal ragebait i swear

[craggy turtle]

Bro is the definition of "I know what I'm doing" (people who say that are either good at faking it or are clueless)

[rocky glen]

frrrrr

[bold harness]

guys i am not sure but he might want some improved performance

i am not completely sure tho

[craggy turtle]

yeah not sure myself, may need to wait another week and see what happens

[sinful sable]

Idk man, my performance is fine

[tacit pasture]

CS’s have tried everything. it’s just arma at the end of the day. It’s a miracle some people get like 50 frames

It’s a miracle I get 30

[sinful sable]

Like I did some tweaks, now it's good

[rocky glen]

that guy just has a bad pc lmao

open source is probably the one thing i'd like though

[cobalt frigate]

My average frames are about 50-70

🤷

[odd echo]

I get really good frames, usually theres a drop when a point procs but thats only for 3-10 seconds

[rocky glen]

same, my frames were really bad last map but theyres so good now

[odd echo]

its been much much worse before

never forget X Cam

[tacit pasture]

Oh god X-cam

[ebon gyro]

X-can was never too bad for me, it was one of the maps I really enjoyed.

Stalker’s the shit out of it.

[rocky glen]

what is x-cam?

[ebon gyro]

X cam taunus the map we did before Colombia

[ebon gyro]

Beautiful map, but not the best in terms of performance

[grave mauve]

I must preface this with I DO NOT HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THE SERVER ITSELF, LET ALONE THE CODEBASE, but here is my perspective:

Open Source is definitely a conversation that could start internally. But that does not mean it will go anywhere.

One immediate problem I see with going Open-source is removing the veil between the game and the players. Y'all will have the ability to see exactly how Liberation works (proc range, enemy compositions, AI support scripts like counter battery)

If we think the pro's of allowing community members (which may, and likely do, have better abilities than us at scripting) to help improve the code, outweigh the con's

But over the last year, the Community Staff have put a large amount of work into trying to improve performance in every way we can think of (at least the ones we have the ability to optimize)

Many of you likely remember when we spent a month testing out combinations of AI improvement mods to find a balance of performance and difficulty. We have also tried adding headless clients, by working on the code as well as working with mod devs to implement functionality into their mods.

We have settled over months and months of slight changes with what we believe to be the best combination of server settings, mods, and scripts to cause the least problems.

Is it perfect? No. Could performance (server and client) be improved? Possibly. Is it so bad right now that it's unplayable? Oh god no, not even close

[ebon gyro]

Isn’t all of that already available to see in the mission parameters if you use some readily available Arma tools?

For overall network server stuff, that should be separate, or?

I’m 50% certain I’m wrong here, but the only thing you can’t really figure out yourself with arma tools is what server side settings are being run, but all the configs are out there.

[rocky glen]

maybe a private github repo for trusted members/cs/admins?

[grave mauve]

I could also be wrong (this is not my area of expertise), but I believe many of the scripts are run entirely on the server, so are not sent to clients on connection.

I could easily go check myself, but unfortunately Arma 3 Tools isn't compatible with Android

[rocky glen]

or change the values to something arbitary or placeholder

[sinful sable]

Scripts are generally server-sided, but we still have to interact with them

Excessive scripts are noticeable because they will also drag down client side performance

[low oak]

Respectfully we’re all done reading the same suggestions without you having any knowledge of the server specifics on the backend, scripting and/or hardware

Btw, putting respectfully doesn’t make it not condescending , fyi

[trail sigil]

You're more than welcome to make a liberation server and populate it with a capacity of 160, then populate it with people to play with multiple HC's and see how good it runs....

[crimson briar]

Pan cakes for breakfast…I think soo too

[low oak]

I’m hoping your here longer than your discord says, 28th September, I’m assuming you are because of command perks but my man, the server runs well, ARMA inherently runs on a single thread, introducing multi by oneself leads to crashes and instability

[hazy delta]

Bro istg everyone needs to chill...

[edgy raptor]

I prefer waffles but I’d go for some pancakes.

[craggy turtle]

I want breakfast for dinner now, you making me hungry

[hazy delta]

you put your suggestion if the CS reach they reach to you if they dont they dont

just chilllll

[crimson briar]

Waffles go hard

[cloud oracle]

Do you like bacon on your pancakes?

[trail sigil]

Crepes owns all

[edgy raptor]

Bacon with maple Syrup on it

[low oak]

Waffle mix with bacon bits

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-squint-suspicious-chewing-thinking-gif-3626489563661256294

[craggy turtle]

Panckes + butter + syrup, and throw some side of bacon, that'd be good

[edgy raptor]

Crispy bacon or not crispy bacon?

[craggy turtle]

Crispy is the only answer

ALWAYS crispy

but I also want waffles now too, hmmm do I decide or do I just eat both...hmmm

[crimson briar]

Pan cakes for breakfast and well-done steak for dinner

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[craggy turtle]

But hear me out, breakfast for dinner 👌

[trail sigil]

Well done... people should be taken out to pasture for that...

[regal onyx]

Bro biscuits and gravy for dinner fucks hard

[rocky glen]

well-done steak is fucking disgusting

[low oak]

I do too 😘

[rocky glen]

medium or medium rare is valid

[craggy turtle]

I've done well done most of my life and was only recently introduced to medium-rare, shit good

[low oak]

You heathen, nvm you redeemed yourself

[rocky glen]

Rare probably tastes so good but i dont have the balls to try it

[crimson briar]

Get outta here with your live cow🤣

[craggy turtle]

BRO, my mother makes absolutely golden biscuit with gravy shit is always baller

[rocky glen]

Well done enjoyers when i present them ash (its just as edible bro)

[trail sigil]

I bet you put ketchup on it for "Seasoning"

[low oak]

Bro likes coal

[rocky glen]

lmfaoo

[crimson briar]

BBQ all day everyday

[craggy turtle]

Bro eats things burnt on purpose

[craggy turtle]

valid

[rocky glen]

Hot take but burnt toast is kinda nice and i really dont know why

[low oak]

He has to put his bread in the toaster twice, 1st times not burnt enough

[craggy turtle]

I mean....I see it but not my favorite tbh, but it's kinda alright

[low oak]

With butter

[edgy raptor]

You’re not invited to the bbq anymore lol

[rocky glen]

I'm not saying this is a good idea whatsoever, it's just like "why do i like this"

[crimson briar]

Nah I draw the line at burnt toast

[craggy turtle]

ah nah valid, it be like that sometimes

[rocky glen]

not a regular thing i do

[low oak]

Glad you have some standards

[craggy turtle]

Random guy: Fix server it's laggy as shit
Kc Lib: Fuck you I'm hungry now

[crimson briar]

Burnt toast and Vegemite don’t mix

[rocky glen]

[trail sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/parrilla-quemado-fuego-asado-grilling-gif-12391515

AKA making steak

[crimson briar]

Fuck yeah bro

[rocky glen]

That's lightly cooked according to aka

[low oak]

You forgot the gasoline

[crimson briar]

Hold up

[craggy turtle]

Welcome to Arma

[crimson briar]

Anyone else know something wrong with that gif lmao

They about to burn down there hut🤣

[craggy turtle]

I chose not to question it, I've learned

[low oak]

Your a random guy who appeared 2/3 weeks ago to most of us my guy 😂

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/afterburner-gif-25954553

[trail sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/angle-grinder-pizza-black-pizza-dark-side-pizza-gif-13448369946787042023

[low oak]

Nah give that f111 fuel dump

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/f-111-gif-14318366144625930430

[craggy turtle]

You must have gotten lucky then, I get 25-30 fps in most things big, arma is known for having shit performance cause it's old, and it's not my pc either

[crimson briar]

Is that a pan cake or cake what even is that🤣

[rocky glen]

if you look closely you can see aka's steak

[edgy raptor]

Dude has no balls and had to turn it off with tongs

[low oak]

Nah bro throw gasoline on it, it’ll work just like water

[craggy turtle]

I've never heard of you though and I'm more random than you are, you probably aren't that active here

[trail sigil]

looks like pizza to me, but could be anything

[craggy turtle]

The world may never know

[rocky glen]

idfk what hes even complaing about, the FPS is not even that bad

[edgy raptor]

Throw enough on it and you will put out the flames. Or blow yourself up. Either way you don’t have to worry anymore.

[craggy turtle]

"rEaL mEn gRaB iT wItH tHeIr dIcK"

[crimson briar]

Nah watching that “outdoor boys” guy, I want to try out that honey butter bread lol

[low oak]

260 hours, my man, you’re not that guy pal

That’s a lot, if you joined last year

Maybe

[rocky glen]

bro i have like double that and ive been here for less than a year (not a flex i just need help)

[hazy delta]

first seen 3 years ago 🥶

[rocky glen]

im just gonna wait to see what CS say if they'll even bother commenting

[hazy delta]

as I said

you/he said his point just see if any CS reach

if not womp womp

[rocky glen]

exactly

[edgy raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-12587352171248068863

[trail sigil]

Time to show my favorite GIF...

[rocky glen]

aint even wrong

[trail sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dot-raccoon-dot-raccoon-amnda-fire-gif-12310301

[hazy delta]

barrett with 4k be like

[rocky glen]

barrett has over 5k (?) last time i checked, hes the lead dev as far as i'm aware, do you not think he would've thought of your solutions?

[edgy raptor]

Try again

[trail sigil]

Barrett over 7k hours

[potent sinew]

whats this hour dick measuring contest
shit way to disregard opinions

[regal onyx]

Real

[hazy delta]

Barrett with 7209:51 hours be like*

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-ymca-y-m-c-a-dance-funny-dance-gif-12754126294932685109

[magic fable]

Yeah that’s actual insanity. I truly believe that if the administration here could fix the problem(s), it’d be fixed, but with that said it’s actual insanity to just dog on some dude because he has low hours here.

[crimson briar]

How long ago was this?

[hazy delta]

bro read he literally said it

[opaque shore]

On it with Rioz here. Regardless of hours, they're still entitled to provide opinions or solutions towards the server, unless said opinions/solutions are just purely hysterical.

[opaque shore]

real

[crimson briar]

7 years is a stretch though

[low oak]

He’s being dogged on because he’s throwing his name around like he’s THAT GUY 😂

[tacit pasture]

?

[hazy delta]

I love how we're talking about performance while the server is literally dying at like 5 fps with like 150 units

cant fit more

💀

[potent sinew]

they dont want to admit it but this is peak male performance

[magic fable]

Honestly, at this point, someone should validate him. Let the man cook. What can it possibly hurt?

If it costs the server additional funds, ask for him to pay out of pocket.

Maybe he’s the hero we’ve always needed.

[potent sinew]

Yeah I don't know anything about servers but he's been dogged on since his first message by people that didn't give any reason as to why it wouldnt work

[regal onyx]

Botan and i are doing butcher discounts currently

[hazy delta]

real

[bold harness]

i mean shouldnt it be the upset the less hours u have the better? 💀

[edgy raptor]

So we’re gonna end this one here before it gets out of control.
We can take it into consideration and if the CS think it warrants looking into they will.
Any other comments in regards to this conversation following this message will start to be deleted.

[potent sinew]

👍

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/salt-bae-chef-meat-butcher-gif-13710528

[low oak]

This message, comments

[potent sinew]

while we're here make shade allowed to deploy with 1 man

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/145700045008797697/1287663041814597663/image0.gif

[low oak]

Brutha

[rocky glen]

goated idea ngl

[hazy delta]

you said your thing its turning really toxic so they want us to stop

[gray python]

@agile cypress Vanilla as in we're nato, and we're vs csat and aaf?

[agile cypress]

yh

[rocky glen]

yes please

[agile cypress]

on altis / stratis / malden

[rocky glen]

i have been BEGGING for a campaign like this

especially altis

[agile cypress]

could do stratis and it would only last a few days like fallujah

[gray python]

Those assets function very differently from the assets we have now, like their flight model is nonexistent

[rocky glen]

it would be fun

[agile cypress]

they work fine

[gray python]

it would be interesting

[regal onyx]

ngl vanilla faction lib would go insane

[rocky glen]

then air bgs have shikras then its joever 💀

oh my god we'd get mx rifles as well

[agile cypress]

stratis, start by deploying off one of the super small naval ships and have the main guns on it

[rocky glen]

we have to do this one day

keep the default sounds in so every gunfight sounds like HPA airsoft

[cobalt frigate]

mx rifles 100rnd mags

[regal onyx]

Mx goes hard

[rocky glen]

frr

[agile cypress]

the goofiest thing in vanilla lol

[rocky glen]

the question is

how quick would it turn into koth

[regal onyx]

Why would it?

[rocky glen]

all the vanilla stuff

[regal onyx]

All that would change is our equipment

[rocky glen]

idk that would make it feel like that for me

am i not making sense here

[regal onyx]

Not really

I don't see how it's similar

[rocky glen]

k well ill just go fuck myself

words are hard

[hazy delta]

vanilla would humble us

istg

[tacit pasture]

Vanilla

Hah

[bold harness]

#1124647926199758899 message AC-130 in GWOT without autopilot would go hard so its peformance light

[crimson briar]

Would be cool seeing the inside of vics lol

Look over to your gunner slouched over uncon

[rocky glen]

it would be so cool to try tho

[rocky glen]

exactlyyy

[agile cypress]

using the rooikat was fun i want more of that

[regal onyx]

ngl a small map of vanilla to humble us would be funny

[agile cypress]

super high quality assets for once

[agile cypress]

wish granted but we do vanilla on cam lao 💀

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[rocky glen]

DLC only lib 💀

[strange meteor]

... Vanilla Air defense would just have the Bardelas and the Patriot...

[bold harness]

i know where u live

[agile cypress]

titan aa

[bold harness]

free for all lib with real KAT

[regal onyx]

i am curious genuinely what the performance difference would be

[rocky glen]

bardelas fucks bro it's 2 big guns that are radar guided

[bold harness]

KC deathmatch when

[regal onyx]

120fps lib lol

[rocky glen]

so fun to shoot shit down with

[agile cypress]

maybe enough fps gain to run dco

[bold harness]

KC PVP deathmatch 50v50

[rocky glen]

oh god

[rocky glen]

blud killkog

[bold harness]

nuh uh kc players only

[hazy delta]

no

[bold harness]

airbozos vs armor bozos

[strange meteor]

You know, one time for the one time a small little PVP tourney thing a la Project ARGO would be sick

[hazy delta]

killkog but we see at night mayhaps

[rocky glen]

killkog but it's rangers v rangers

kc's best vs kog

[regal onyx]

killkog but the moon is out

[bold harness]

REAL

[agile cypress]

skill issue not in kog 💀

[hazy delta]

mpu 😴

[bold harness]

KILLKOG but the focus on the nvgs is 0

[rocky glen]

BOO did i scare you

[hazy delta]

killkog but its day and no air

[agile cypress]

i was asleep when it happened so no

[regal onyx]

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[hazy delta]

💀

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[bold harness]

killkog but we get mig21s

[hazy delta]

real

[crimson briar]

Killkog but its Afghan tribes against one another

[hazy delta]

(we get fox-3'd after taking off)

[bold harness]

killkog but its as sword fight

[regal onyx]

afghan tribe vs modern taliban government

[crimson briar]

No nvg no fancy gear just straight fkn gas

[bold harness]

its not the aircraft its the pilot (someones gonna crash into a tree)

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/army-jumping-jacks-fail-wtf-gif-3544222

[rocky glen]

(they hit us with an iskander and it's joever in 30 seconds)

[strange meteor]

Killkog but KOG is the insurgents in antistasi

[hazy delta]

Bro who holding up the queue like crazy in lib rn...

[agile cypress]

i just got in

[bold harness]

KILLKOG but we have mi24s

[agile cypress]

wasnt me though i dc'd and came back in

[rocky glen]

Killkog but it's 300 players vs bunker

[strange meteor]

Kill KOG but we kill KOG

[bold harness]

REAL

[bold harness]

easy just use a "vest" and scare em away

[hazy delta]

same but i decided im eepy

[bold harness]

KC players>KOG

KC players cqb> KOG cqb

[rocky glen]

frr we eat zu's for breakfast

[bold harness]

kc cqb is throw frag kog cqb is flash

[hazy delta]

^gif

waiit

not gif

wait 1

[bold harness]

monkey gif inbound??

[hazy delta]

^gif*

im saving that one for later

[rocky glen]

kc cqb is throw grenade, bounce back ,kill half your squad, breach in, get one tapped because the server fps is at 5 and you desync, get up because of KAT medical blood clot settings and repeat

[hazy delta]

bro the kat settings

rn

are insane

[rocky glen]

bunker survived 9 uncons

[hazy delta]

getting shot in the open field

my guy goes down

[regal onyx]

i died once in 5 hours lol

[hazy delta]

i slap his ass

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[hazy delta]

wakes up

[regal onyx]

slap goes hard

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

[hazy delta]

we continue to run 💀

[rocky glen]

im so glad everyone can slap

[bold harness]

no complaining boys

i can 1 life for 3 hours now

[hazy delta]

whoever was saying going KAT is gonna make lib harder is coping hard rn

💀

[bold harness]

kat is literally harder what do u mean

[rocky glen]

honestly that was me but i guess shit changed 💀

[agile cypress]

made it easier lmao

[bold harness]

u gotta wake back up and fight again

[rocky glen]

tho i was talkin about full kat

[bold harness]

thats hard

[hazy delta]

I stand by my point normal line being able to slap is broken asf

[rocky glen]

nah it's a good thing imo

[hazy delta]

its busted

you fuck up oh its fine i can slap

[agile cypress]

#1124647926199758899 message ill take this over vietnam again any day

[hazy delta]

💀

^^^^

[rocky glen]

so fucking true

i'd take no lib over nam

[regal onyx]

I mean i would imagine they'll change setting a bit

[trail sigil]

Why?... PURE vanilla lib... big oof

[rocky glen]

whats wrong with trying it for a short campaign

[agile cypress]

id bet the majority of people here have played very little vanilla

compared to RHS ect

[rocky glen]

i have played the east wind

[agile cypress]

vanilla lib the closest we will get to star wars lib 😭

[rocky glen]

halo or starwars lib would be hawt

gimme a needler

[craggy turtle]

#1124647926199758899 message
"Mom said it was my turn with the frame"

I already take turns with the brain cell, so taking turn with the frame is nothing new

[tacit pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954

[sudden stone]

lair

[sudden stone]

Sorry i diddnt realize it was from yesterday xD

I was late to the show

[lapis abyss]

@obsidian kestrel it would of been great for Rangers but army doesn't get the mh-47s

[eternal cipher]

@crimson briar but what if no 1-7, i want hot 1-9 riflemen to hold hands :(

[crimson briar]

Then your doing something wrong

[eternal cipher]

jokes on you thats why i play banshee. im scared to be alone

[naive kayak]

That’s what the people that are still up are there for.

Whoever isnt working on a body should be pulling security, which is why 9 doesn’t need a rifleman

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-gif-26876345

[eternal cipher]

that kinda goes out the window during MASCAS, when youre busy keeping 4 different people full of sacred vitae whilst every ivan in a 19 mile radius is single and READY to mingle

[naive kayak]

It doesn’t tho. And that’s when 9 evaluates who’s critical and who’s stable. And 9/10 during a mascal event not everyone is wiped

[eternal cipher]

all jests aside, i get the feedback. would still be nice to have a security element but very fair retorts

[naive kayak]

And if they are 6 can designate some dudes to go help

[zealous dagger]

im better alone

[eternal cipher]

of course you want to be alone merciful

[naive kayak]

9 isn’t a front line guy.

[zealous dagger]

ya...

[zealous dagger]

YA

[naive kayak]

The security comes from whomevers still up or is designated to go help

[eternal cipher]

Very fair response. I can't even fairly fire back at that.

[trail sigil]

You as 9 tell a guy to pull security and he doesn't... send him off to the next mascas to join them on the ground /s

[eternal cipher]

kekw

[crimson briar]

when i watch 1-9 tryna fight off 2 squads while tryna deal with a mascal and theres friendlies panicking and 31 and mednet is popping off im like

https://tenor.com/view/galaxywatch-eyes-gif-1766607410217246636

[eternal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-hercules-gif-18089624

more accurate if akas in odin

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-gif-4439279616571508647

[regal onyx]

#1124647926199758899 message @light rock no offense, but thats super cringe

[grave mauve]

We also do not plan on adding any roles in the Discord for Liberation permissions other than functional ones (ie: KC Command)

A "map based" leaderboard however is not an impossibility. It would require some setup behind the scenes and would require us to change some things on our end, and/or require maintenance

[light rock]

i mean cringe or not it just adds immersion and activity gives people some feeling of accomplishment besides just blowing things up you know?

Like a reaper pilot if they could add their kills on their aircraft kind of thing

@regal onyx I mean if having pride in your accomplishments is cringe you must not be prideful person then

[regal onyx]

irl yes, in discord about a video game, cringe

but thats my opinion

[light rock]

true but you know what they say about opinions. no offense

[light rock]

yea not saying its like something that is needed at all just thought it would add to the server a bit like leveling up in a game or playing ranked you know just gives you something for the time you've put in.

[grave mauve]

No, of course it's not needed but depending on the community's interest, and most importantly, the Admin/CS's interest in maintaining it (even if I am no longer around), it's something that could be looked into

[light rock]

yea was just throwing something out i appreciate your time

[half stone]

Imagine if they did gear and attachment availability behind level progression/time played lol

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-lotso-youre-not-goin-anywhere-you-aint-going-nowhere-you-are-not-going-anywhere-gif-23922941

[grave mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/megan-interesting-gif-14176736

[light rock]

lol im thinking more cosmetic stuff less gear stuff

[grave mauve]

Boonie at 500h

[half stone]

ACOGs at 300 hours played

[light rock]

like a patch at certain hours or kills etc

makes people want to play more when they have something to work towards

[half stone]

I think gear and equipment would be funnier, both cosmetic ones and functional ones

[light rock]

like pilots could get access to a livery at so many bandit kills

[half stone]

You have to defuse 15 mines in order to unlock the Mechanic backpack for Goblin

[light rock]

i mean you can call it cringe but we are all playing milsim so i mean lol.

[half stone]

Or low crawl 5 miles in game to unlock face paints

[light rock]

remember it is arma 3 and we still need to be effective so i think cosmetic is the only way to go

[half stone]

Nah, lock some of the gear behind player progression as well

[grave mauve]

Lol in all seriousness, we can't make changes to the arsenal for individual people without major changes to many backend systems.

If anything were to be added, it would be on Discord or the website

[half stone]

Magnified optics at 150+ hours

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

change it all

[light rock]

exactly thats what im saying something small

[glad field]

@light rock this idea was brought up before, but it's not really feasible. Admins are volunteers as are CS, and they offer the time they can to maintain the servers etc. To then create ribbons/awards/medals and update them, maintain them, hand them out, it would require a serious amount of manpower and there's no point implementing it if you can't commit to maintaining something like that for a prolonged period of time.

just realised a bunch of ppl said the same thing alrdy mb

[low oak]

I was pinged in suggestions and now the suggestions gone lol

[raven sable]

A community art competition for challenge coins could be a fun idea

Winner could get a thing on discord or could choose an additional battalion asset from a list

[rocky glen]

#1124647926199758899 message iirc they actually used pnvgs for F-15E and MC-130J pilots so it wouldn't be far fetched at all

[agile cypress]

@trail sigil chevy / reaper do have full face night vision

rotary dont

[rocky glen]

pano nods for both instead of one having full face and one having pvs 15s would be better

[agile cypress]

also i think they planned on giving better nvgs to everyone but the mod they were using got removed from workshop on like day 2

cant remember the name

[rocky glen]

the US-SOC ones?

[agile cypress]

but the quality and field of view was way better

yeah

[rocky glen]

those nods were really good