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[odd echo]

W28 would be great but not sure how it handles performance wise. We had USP gear before and it lags the server like a mfer

RHS is the best for optimization because no high res = more fps

[dusky hemlock]

isnt w28 made from S&S?

[odd echo]

No clue how optimized S&S is

[dusky hemlock]

it doesnt look very crispy tbh

but the w28 looks like in the middle of both RHS and USP detail level

[regal echo]

w28 is pretty decent performance wise but some of the assets are pretty meh

[dusky hemlock]

We just need the kits

back packs, uniform , vests, helmets etc

[regal echo]

the envgs aren’t finished so they are kinda lame

just regular night vision and you can switch to like default arma thermals

[crimson briar]

Normal RHS nvgs would work fine

[dusky hemlock]

real

[odd echo]

From W28 we just need the uniforms. RHS looks ass and is outdated with ACHs and the multicam looks off

IHPS

[dusky hemlock]

helmets do look a bit small imo

[ebon gyro]

Espacially when playing against KOG, the RHS multicam glows in the dark

[regal echo]

they do but the fov is so small i hate it. make bigger plz

[tacit pasture]

If god is good W28 will be added

[dusky hemlock]

Amen

[odd echo]

We'll use nods from rhs but everything else from w28 for army gear

[dusky hemlock]

The ranks on the uniforms are pretty nice

[half stone]

Lol start bloating the modlist for cherrypicking items out of big mods

[tacit pasture]

We have a whole Tier One mod on modern that we use one or two things out of. One of those items being a Moses pole

[dusky hemlock]

real

[half stone]

That's KOG lol

[tacit pasture]

er no, its on lib too

[half stone]

I have yet to see a Moses pole available in the aresenal

[tacit pasture]

avaialble to SLs... which you dont play

[half stone]

Well that's fucking stupid

[tacit pasture]

lol

[regal onyx]

and I ran it every damn minute

[half stone]

It gets as much use as the boats I buy

[regal echo]

we could just very nicely ask the w28 dev to make a smaller version with just uniforms for us

[half stone]

Reach out to them lol

[regal onyx]

Answer: No fuck off

[regal echo]

true probably would just tell me to fuck off

unless i tell him im a certified e ranger

[dusky hemlock]

you need the tag of a certified e ranger

for it to be believable

[grave mauve]

Gameology Certified eRanger. Get it right

[regal echo]

no that’s goomes i’m just certified since he’s my SL

I don’t have the fancy title

[regal echo]

that’s a good idea. Cat man can we all get eRanger roles

[grave mauve]

Cat man doesn't have role permissions

[regal echo]

I’ll just have to ask goomes himself

[regal onyx]

L bozo

[grave mauve]

I know. My own bot outranks me

[regal echo]

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[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-steve-carell-gif-21998253

[regal onyx]

Petition for Yellow Cat

[grave mauve]

@stable niche whatcha say? Give the people what they want?

(I am in danger now, worth it)

[regal echo]

i never looked at ur pfp until now samtino

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-dange-the-simpsons-ralph-wiggum-meme-gif-17180214

[regal echo]

it’s great

[regal onyx]

Plot twist you are now orange

[grave mauve]

The Kitness is a good boy

[regal echo]

The kitness

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/minji-newjeans-new-jeans-felt-wog-gif-9940892650301827123

[half stone]

Might want to tell Goomes to spellcheck then lol

[rocky glen]

real Gameology Certified eRangers do not worry about spelling (i think)

[regal echo]

it’s definitely gamology

[shell night]

Gameology is the off brand

[naive kayak]

#1124647926199758899 message never

[old anvil]

@crimson briar #1124647926199758899 message

[crimson briar]

no need to start a convo in here

[zinc aurora]

No Suggesting in Yapping

[bold harness]

@dusky hemlock reason we have high pop is because they wanna finish this map quick

[dusky hemlock]

Oh yea really

I am standing right next to you dude

u could of just told me that

[agile cypress]

there has been a big bump in new players due to drewskis video

[agile cypress]

like 200 new players since launch

[naive kayak]

@dusky hemlock burnout is the reason

[agile cypress]

blue line is new players

[dusky hemlock]

Well idk man

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/i-forgor-i-forgot-walter-white-dying-gif-27400979

[dusky hemlock]

new players seem to be enjoying it

I still have yet to hear from a new guy they dislike vietnam

[hazy delta]

the blind leading the blind

💀

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

[dusky hemlock]

says the harpy blind old man

[zinc aurora]

ill have you know you need to see aircraft with your eyes to actually engage shit

so no

[dusky hemlock]

no way fr

I thought we smelled them

https://tenor.com/view/joke-dumb-you-gif-8906255

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160701275105660950/1236041107931009074/attachment.gif

[dusky hemlock]

#1124647926199758899 message

Lil bro mad he didn’t get the rights to vote 💀

[lapis abyss]

lmao

[old anvil]

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[magic fable]

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[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🦅 🦅 🦅

[wraith wraith]

It is 1000 m.

[rocky glen]

or 0.621 miles

[agile cypress]

or 1093.61 yards

[rocky glen]

or 1.057 ×10(-13) light years

[edgy raptor]

Or the width of 518 king size mattresses.

[strange meteor]

or ~28,035 5.56 rounds placed end to end.

[zealous dagger]

bro just wake up on time

[dusky hemlock]

Its a meter that weighs a kilogram hence kilometer

[slate creek]

i love vietnam

i am a vietnam enjoyer

[odd echo]

https://tenor.com/view/no-hellno-gif-11427369307834711508

[spiral veldt]

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize I was dealing with the poll police. Where’s your badge? Bet you don't have a CAGging license either.

Oh wait, I forgot the comedic 💀

[regal echo]

He most definetly does not have a CAG license

[dusky hemlock]

I was ex-CAG operator

Retired now

[dusky hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-fake-orange-name-discord-dbz-cell-cell-blast-gif-8143261980673062174

[regal echo]

https://tenor.com/view/white-role-roleism-roleist-geto-gif-1848719108273149187

[agile cypress]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256560011945967699/1256574002298617878/caption.gif

[old anvil]

#1124647926199758899 message

[naive kayak]

Ain’t no way he’s trying to force a recount by saying he’ll leave the server

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/beach-time-vacation-im-leaving-baby-suitcase-gif-17277572

[ebon gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/king-curtis-bacon-is-good-for-me-walk-out-good-bye-bye-gif-3738093

[trail sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/kl-gif-25745415

[naive kayak]

@deep viper #1124647926199758899 message you do know this wasnt an offical poll this was beans just seeing interest.

[wraith wraith]

Besides Ausecurity none of the replies improve the situation. Why then post the shit? To make fun of him? I don't get it... feels toxic to me.

[old anvil]

It doesnt matter how it feels to you, this here is for feedback which entails your personal opinion on suggestions and other subjects. So he has every right to say what he said as well as you had the right to say you think it was toxic

[naive kayak]

its not making fun of him, its reacting to his message of bascially "do what i say or im leaving" message

[wraith wraith]

Fully get that. Still, I wish people wouldn't step on it like they are.

It doesn't help

IMO

But I guess beeing nice regardless is to oldschool for internet

[naive kayak]

understandable, but as it is a public discord with a lot of people with crass humor from being in the military, other countries or just their preference, its going to be more often than not this happens, especially with a ridiculous ultimatum

[lapis abyss]

"you just lost a loyal customer" ahhh message

[deep viper]

I don't know man, it just feels like if the poll went the other way, we'd be sticking around on Nam longer.
Also to people bashing Aus, I really don't care what anyone has to say about me or whatever. I am a big boy, I can take it and really don't need the White Knighting. I've also obviously demonstrated I like what we got here too much to actually leave lol, it's more of a "Do a 24hr one cause I think the results, even if similar, will vary if you let the whole community have a chance." That part tacked on at the end was more or less a joke, cause it loosely rhymes. I really don't expect anyone to give a rat's ass if I stay or go, lol.

[naive kayak]

bro, whos leaving?

[deep viper]

I might play less or not at all during modern, but you can bet your ass I am popping into this Discord at least once a week to see if we're comin back to Nam or something else interesting. Modern is super boring and not infantry focused in my opinion.

[deep viper]

I am confused now. Was all the arguing not in reference to the "Recount or I'm out." Thing?

[naive kayak]

yea. but you saying we means theres more people going to leave cause they dont get nam. Its kinda ridiculous to me that because you dont get the map you want youd leave when you havent even tried the next map. hell it could be a GWOT campaign. youd still not play if it was that? like to blankly say nam or i leave is kinda disrespectful to the CS that put in dozens of hours for a free experience for us

[deep viper]

Nah nah, I meant WE are leaving Nam soon, you misunderstood lol

Poor phrasing on my part to be fair.

Edited it to hopefully make it more clear.

Like I said, what we got here is too good for me to pass up. I ain't ever leaving the KC community unless something truly heinous goes down.

[old anvil]

infanftry focused or not. nam wave strategy is AIDS and is not fun whatsoever

[wraith wraith]

Have you played nam? It is much less wave then the last modern stuff we played...

I survives multiple restarts 5h

[hazy delta]

I did

100% agree with pookie

[odd echo]

Its much more waves than modern
You just walk in a platoon blob line in the jungle to contact over and over again until you take the OBJ

In modern not only can you utilize actual platoon tactics and SUTs, you face greater challenges that force you to think outside the box and find another approach or youll die everytime

[old anvil]

last modern was wave tactics cause of all the new players that came in from the og nam we did, that learned shit strategy

we didnt use wave tactics EVER in modern before nam

[odd echo]

Nam is the adhd tiktok brain version. Good to change things up a bit
I dont hate nam once or twice. Sometimes modern us army or marines over and over again gets boring
But on our 4th map in a row im getting tired of the repetitiveness and the lack of technology makes cohesion actual braindamage because we're public players

[odd echo]

Real, its what you get when your playerbase is almost entirely replaced by new people from nam. All the old "vets" leave and dont come back cause of nam and the new playerbase takes time to get used to modern
Its always a struggle at first

[old anvil]

issue is they dont get used to name, they just play it like its name with gadgets then complain when they wipe over and over saying the game is difficult etc

[wraith wraith]

Well I don't like +1.5 km engagement range. Nam is so much better with 5 - 800m.

[deep viper]

That's just cause no one wants to think more tactically. We could easily surround points and be more strategic with our approaches thanks to all the cover and concealment that a jungle environment provides. If you're losing friendlies because you play with default cyclops FOV you can't really blame Nam for that. Modern is quite literally sit somewhere 4 Km from the enemy and wait till 1-8 has their way with the place to push in. Getting to occasionally shoot at those guys after getting approval from the 60+ people screeching over 31. Not to mention this is all happening over basically barren environments that are basically one texture, a cupule of rocks, and maybe a tree or ankle high wall if you are lucky. This is all opinion of course, and just what I experience personally, making me like the Nam experience way more because I have a chance to actually fight and listen to my surroundings, and run into tense moments of being pinned down in need of help and my only way of communicating that being a smoke instead of just texting the bros on my iPad.

[odd echo]

Map issue

avg sandbox be like

Columbia was 🔥

[odd echo]

Milpoints? Yep
Civ points and capitals? Cant really do that without killing civs and buildings

Milpoints gives armor and air and arty their fix
Civ points are you gotta get in there and clear it

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-13261737358986789359

[deep viper]

Same thing but butcher is Coaxing everyone instead, or 4 or you sit in a humvee while the MG gets to blast everything. It also still doesn't change the usual engagement ranges, and I still know where everyone is at all times, can hear everyone at all times, and there is little difficulty involved.

[deep viper]

Get in on this, I wanna hear your take, lol.

[crimson briar]

Modern, nam, Gwot. Idrc I enjoy it all

[naive kayak]

everything thing is wave if you dont wann ause tactics

[old anvil]

[crimson briar]

When I 1-6 everyone getting a vic. idc if you say no, your still getting on

[crimson briar]

[deep viper]

Fair enough lol

I just really don't want to go back to the cancer of every dude having a radio. I explicitly despise games for that. Take Squad for example. The main reason I do not enjoy it is because there is just radio in your ear non stop when all you wanna do is listen to gunshots, explosions, footsteps, casings hitting the ground. Instead you get Dave, who is cramming two Big Macs and his mic down his throat over the radio.

If I had to pick anything that would stop me from playing modern it'd be that.

[lapis abyss]

ngl I kinda can't wait to 1-6 on modern or atleast a time period with some technology

[deep viper]

One of my favorite experiences this campaign for instance was being scared shitless in the dark literally crawling through the jungle with the rest of goblin while a tank was just sending shots over us, splashing right next to us with a deafening boom. Everyone is freaking out, shouting, begging for medics; I think Cole was my SL for that maybe he has a clip. It was so unbelievably immersive, and was so much fun to both experience and talk about. That would literally never happen in modern, especially since every living being has NV so they will see you from 3 KM away and nail you with the first shot.

[odd echo]

I like knowing where everyone is at all times because public players tend to wander off and get lost/do exactly they were told to not do. I dont want to come home to play lib in order to be 10 dudes' babysitter.

Radio is your pet peeve. I like being able to communicate with the entire squad for the same reason

If people are being dumb with radios? Talk to them
Tell them to chill out, its a videogame not cod beach landing mission and to only use sr when useful/required

They dont care? Odin

[deep viper]

Ok but how about when there is no Odin on, which is mostly when I am playing, and what makes you think they are gonna care at all about what anyone else has to say. The same people who ignore orders are the ones that'll tell their life stories over radio. As you said the server is public, so when there is something to abuse you bet your ass it is happening. If they know that it is pissing you off they are likely to just do it more because they know it. It also doesn't help that longer term players always think they know better than everyone else and gotta share it any chance they get. If people just listened and did what the higher ranks say instead of going, "Well that is stupid and I don't wanna" then both nam and modern would be a lot better off.

I won't be a hypocrite either, I am more than capable of admitting I have disregarded orders I have felt were stupid in the past, and I can't necessarily promise I won't do it again, but most of the time as a Cpl or Pvt I am more than willing to take a back seat since it really does make things better for everyone.

[odd echo]

Idk ive never had this issue before so ig im lucky. Theres been times when people were being irresponsible with the radio. I asked them to chill out and they always did. If its that bad and they really dont give af and not listening to their sl with no odin on I'd record it/clip it and ping and odin in discord or make a report
I think youre talking about a pretty extreme case here

Anyways thats my 2 🪙 , said my takes

[hazy delta]

[deep viper]

Of course! Everyone's experience is gonna be different, and it is always good hearing other people's side of the story. I appreciate you sharing, even if we don't have the same perspective. I ain't no literary, and definitely talk way better than I type so if there is anything I said that is confusing just call it out.

Also I know you are still lurking AKAZURA. Server back up when? I am dying to get back in the fight before it is over.

[bold harness]

Theres no more kc server is over no more vietnam or gwot or modern

[deep viper]

FUCK

We finally won the war, but it feels like a loss...

We beat KOG but at what cost...

[crimson briar]

https://tenor.com/view/enemy-artillery-helldivers-2-helldivers-missiles-gif-16244640406742692138

[visual trail]

You can easily use infantry tactics, whether that's platoon, squad, etc, its just a lot of people dont know how to and so dont, modern is the exact same, except its much more forgiving with the long range engagements making most fights a lot less dangerous than in nam and nam is just generally more difficult because of the lack of crutches like radios, GPS, etc, once people know how to do it all they will use it but until then you're stuck with it on both

[bold harness]

Or rising storm 2

[old anvil]

if anything modern is more difficult. nam is just throwing bodies at an obj until u manage to slowly kill all the ai on the point. The fact that open areas and long range combat is super common on moder is just one of the reasons why it is WAY MORE difficult than nam ever has been

[hazy delta]

In modern we at least used to have higher standards, not just throw bodies at the problem since you have the tech and you can actually apply tactics even with new people and a chain of command existed

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/muslim-facts-spitting-facts-angry-muslim-gif-20138575

[visual trail]

Modern half the time is just sitting in one place 500m out trading shots which isnt really difficult, I guess it also just depends a lot on what you're looking at but the only reason why people would play better on modern is because of the crutches that make it easier, you dont have to know basic land nav because everyones got their head in their phones constantly so always see where they are

The bluforce tracker means you dont have to keep track of people as much because if they somehow manage to get lost they can easily find you

Tbe radios make communication 10x easier because you can talk to your squad 5km away

[old anvil]

none of these i would consider crutches in moderns

quality of life sure, but doesnt make it easier just cause u have m

[visual trail]

Simply skill issue, learn ways around the lack of tech and use that, take like 20 minutes to quickly look how they did shit then and see how you can apply that

[hazy delta]

real, truly a skill issue since all the vets who squad lead fuck off during this era lol, blind leading the blind

[visual trail]

Kinda does tho, easier to get around if you have a gps because it's easier to see where you are and where you need to go

[old anvil]

nam isnt difficult XD, land nav aint hard, doing wave tactics is like the brainrot of lib

[visual trail]

I never said it was hard, it's just a bit harder because of the lack of radios making communication a bit more difficult, the lack of a GPS makes navigating more difficult, especially in a jungle since you cant see exactly where you are constantly

No night vision makes night time a pain in the ass if you dont have constant illumination lol

[agile cypress]

conducting platoon sized attacks on heavily fortified jungle positions during the night in vietnam is not what they did

[visual trail]

That's not an era issue, that's a leadership issue

[agile cypress]

saying "use illum" is dumb as bricks

[old anvil]

yh which came from nam era btw

[visual trail]

Never said they did do it, or said we should, just said doing stuff at night is harder without constant illumination

[agile cypress]

you said use real world tactics, should we sit in fob till day? lmao

[grave mauve]

I'm not saying either is better or worse (because some people prefer one or the other) but modern era allows standard rifle/weapon squads to be able to deal with pretty much every problem on their own

Nam requires significantly more company level teamwork to stay effective. And with fewer tools for communication

[old anvil]

im sorry to say but thats cap

[visual trail]

Resupply, move to your positions to get ready, besides you can still do stuff at night, just need to have an illum mission or 2

[grave mauve]

Land nav isn't hard. But you have to do it. Modern, you don't have to

[old anvil]

everything bigger than an apc, u will need assets in both eras

[agile cypress]

bro has not been rolled up on by a tank that eats 10 sticks

[hazy delta]

feel like its the opposite lol, in nam a squad can kill anything they face with a law and small arms

[old anvil]

right but doesnt make nam more difficult per say, maybe for the individual who cant do it

[agile cypress]

90% of the 1-6 planning in nam is litteratly just a line going directly towards the obj and some phase lines which nobody cares about and just crosses

[visual trail]

Theres always been leadership issues, modern or nam, it's not just a nam thing, this kinda happens when there's no quality control for leadership, just have to try to teach as many people how to do stuff as you can

[agile cypress]

the "company level" teamwork in nam is litteratly just herding cats there is no strategy the way it is played by the majority of the server

[old anvil]

youre literally making my point for me, nam pushed away skillful vets who used to teach the newbies. The vets never returned after nam so the nam newbies started teaching the newbies BAD tactics, like wave tactics etc

[hazy delta]

In modern you can have accountability of people when they do dumb shit and not listen to HQ, in nam you cant, people just do whatever

[old anvil]

so slowly the quality degraded over time

[grave mauve]

Nam is just objectively harder on every level.

• infantry: no radio or GPS so you can easily get lost or confused. Landnav is difficult because there are few landmarks in a jungle so without the "I'm at this grid" system, most people would walk 3km in the wrong direction
• leadership: most radios are held by non-leadership roles so communication becomes a game of telephone
• aviation: no night vision so night ops are either significantly harder or cancelled due to risk to the airframe, for CAS, it's extremely difficult to identify your target and even moreso to identify friendlies

The actual gamemode as a whole might be easier because no body armor, but actually playing it is harder

[hazy delta]

we talking nam infantry gameplay, or lib in general

[old anvil]

idk tbh this is all subjective to me. not having gadgets doesnt make it more difficult for me per say. maybe for the random joe sure. also not being able to operate during night as much isnt really that big news. modern maps have had TERRIBLE night cycles with is being pitch black with nods on

[grave mauve]

The gameplay itself, not lib. Lib might be easier/harder depending on a lot of server side settings (the type of AI, the amount of AI, if armor spawns, the bad pathing of AI, no OPFOR air, etc)

[hazy delta]

In nam, its def harder to organise a platoon / company but eh infantry is easier, no unkillable tanks, no red air, enemies have no armor, land nav is easy since we get the get coords and generally you just go from HLZ / DZ to a bearing and you find the shooting etc...

[old anvil]

^yeah so the individual player gameplay might be harder, cause if u dont know how to e.g land nav then youre going to suffer. but settings wise its WAY easier than moders (meant for sams msg)

[grave mauve]

But that's not a limitation of nam. That's an an intentional decision we made to make it balanced due to the fact that the era is harder

[agile cypress]

cap the bgs used to get stuck 90% of the time and not reach the obj

[grave mauve]

We can set counter battery to be similar to modern, give OPFOR their air assets that exist, increase the amount of armor that spawns, etc to make it on a similar level to modern. But then no one would play. Because you don't have the tools, coordination, etc that modern has to deal with them

[old anvil]

era is harder cause ppl are dumber, im sry to say

[agile cypress]

the ai pathing just didnt work for bgs they never got close

due to jungle + rivers

[grave mauve]

And that's a map limitation. Arma AI have never been able to automatically work in forests/jungles

[hazy delta]

This whole discussion started / was about whether you can use proper tactics and maintain a proper chain of command. which you just cant, its just platoon blob formation

[agile cypress]

if you try to keep squads close enough that they can support eachother the server just crashes

unless its low pop

[old anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/macflea-swallow-ranger-baddy-yellow-gif-18263617

[grave mauve]

Or we use PF maps only because unsung maps are extremely unoptimized

[agile cypress]

i was refering to a time it happened 3 times in 4 hours on a sog map...

[old anvil]

but then ppl without dlcs wont be able to play. It was already a HUGE swtich for kc lib to go dlc ONLY on a lib map

[agile cypress]

no unsung map

[grave mauve]

Oh I agree. It's really unfortunate that unsung is so unstable

[dusky hemlock]

I agree with cat

[regal onyx]

restart before last on khe sanh i picked up 1-6 and set phase lines and approach lines for squads into the OBJ and literally nobody listened to it. thats when i said fuck this i'm not playing nam anymore

[old anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-silly-gif-10603191555380636698

[old anvil]

i would bet, ww2 would work better than nam

since the main issue with nam is the jungle

[hazy delta]

Pretty much

[old anvil]

basically everything would be fixed without it

[hazy delta]

I mean you'd still have issues with chain of command and all that but at least its not this dogshit overhyped era, at least we can do something else

[dusky hemlock]

Imagine next campaign is gonna be WW2 Pacific front

[regal onyx]

DOWN
FOR
IT

[dusky hemlock]

real

[old anvil]

meant like you could actually use runners to communicate better despite having less radios

[ebon gyro]

Agree, mechanically it is more difficult, but I think with it being difficult, we miss the difficulty of tactical planning and going in depth there. Because people are just too focused on not loosing sight of eachother, so going anything deeper / more complicated than that doesn’t happen.

[old anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/zimbabwe-fact-checked-this-post-was-fact-checked-gif-13854646917497150904

[dusky hemlock]

amphibious assault every restart

against the japs

[grave mauve]

Oh ya if we did WW2, either we have to take some historical liberties and increase the amount of radios by a LOT

Or there is a single RTO and maybe stadic radio stations

[dusky hemlock]

It will be fire

[ebon gyro]

Honestly in WW2 it wouldn’t be too bad, considering you can see further than 50m and have landmarks to use.

[dusky hemlock]

either way

[hazy delta]

Ima imagine it would be a smol map but still

[dusky hemlock]

Imagine they give us B-17s

have a specific role and callsign

for bombers

[regal onyx]

WW2 Fallujah style, gimmie

[dusky hemlock]

it would go hard

[old anvil]

stalingrad?

blufor is russians

[hazy delta]

some urban area would be cool

[dusky hemlock]

Is there a Stalingrad map?

[old anvil]

every second soldier gets a rifle

[regal onyx]

i meant more like, No logi, all batt assets, smallish map

[hazy delta]

💀

[grave mauve]

You ready for all aviation to be fixed wing with no radios?

[hazy delta]

yeeees

[old anvil]

they had radios wdym

[dusky hemlock]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3305260840 enemy IDF

[regal onyx]

i was just looking at that lmao

[dusky hemlock]

P-51s

P-47s

Harpy 40mm Bofors

155mm Long tom savage

[regal onyx]

acceptable

[grave mauve]

Didn't most fighters not have radios on them? Some did especially bombers

[dusky hemlock]

old ones I think

they communicated via signs

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-buddies-pilot-good-luck-well-done-gif-24727353

[old anvil]

pretty sure even fighters had them, ofc depends which year we are talking about

[regal onyx]

early war id bet most didn't, late war everything did

[dusky hemlock]

Butcher get M4A2s

[ebon gyro]

Would go hard being on ground alert at the airfield waiting for an RTO to receive a request for CAS. Give an ETA, push the target area and have friendlies mark their position and sending bombs on tigers

[dusky hemlock]

Stalker gets transferred to the bomber command

[old anvil]

stalker becomes the rear gunner for dive bombers

[regal onyx]

looks cool but explosion is mid

[agile cypress]

arma explosions are always shit

[rocky glen]

nah that's cool af

imagine watching that happen

[dusky hemlock]

Ball turret gunner

[dusky hemlock]

really underwhelming

[rocky glen]

It's cooler than normal idf though

[regal onyx]

the kill radius is super high though, 5 feet closer and i died

[shell night]

Is it so hard to have accountability of your troops.

[odd echo]

When your entire squad is wandering off forward even after telling them to hold 5 times on yell and running around? Yep.

[rocky glen]

top 10 vietnam moments

[old anvil]

Nr.1 End of NAM era

[rocky glen]

Realest

[bold harness]

top 1 vietnam moments is that there is no more vietnam and we are doing modern

[rocky glen]

Real

Finally good leadership back

No more tactical blobs

[shell night]

Krill issue

[rocky glen]

True

[strange meteor]

#1124647926199758899 message

Bro I would love to be Harpy against real people

NASAMS would be mandatory equipment. I already need a Big Stick to take out FW threats that stay high and fast as it is, now imagine a real person flying it?

[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

would be cool, but I feel like we should know in advance if such is happening. possibly it could be combined with an OP such as a fob attack or city raid

also I don't think it should replace AI aircraft entirely

maybe as a once in a while type thing

[rocky glen]

Give harpy a mantis loaded with AHEAD

[zinc aurora]

would definitly be cool though, and break up a lot of just sitting on a hill by forcing harpy to move as well

[crimson briar]

probably wont replace AI

[oak galleon]

@ebon gyro you thinking FW only or RW too ? I like the idea genuinely - maybe could be tested on a small map ?

Couple of issues I see with it are:

• very limited times when enemy FW/RW is up
• how to deal with it if you only have 30 people on and most are already in the field with nobody slotted for CAP or harpy
• setting up and working the AA defence on platoon and FOB(s), including all assets there - big risk of losing assets to strafes

[strange meteor]

I know there was one time on Tigris (?) when KOGFOR was in a hind, however I had an avenger that picked them up way early and datalink had reaper on them before they could do any real harm.

At least I think it was kog, Radar track flew like it was.

[zinc aurora]

i feel it'd work best during OPs

[rocky glen]

KOGFOR can't slot until 50 people, and the chances of no one going harpy is minimal at that amount

[zinc aurora]

high pop, SOPs restricting attacking FOBs unless its a FOB defense

also it'd give more for harpy to do during events

during the last point on australlia, harpy literaly just sat on a hill doing nothing

[regal onyx]

Nasams would get fucking shat on by a player

[oak galleon]

Fair, I thought it was 30. But you’re still potentially talking 4/5 blokes to cover 3 FOBs and platoon

[rocky glen]

that is true but i guess it would make people think about air defense a lot more critically

[zinc aurora]

unless we get more than 1

[rocky glen]

I'd love to try it during a fallujah-like fun map where if assets get lost it's not a huge issue

[strange meteor]

NASAMS, if I understand correctly, would probably be the most likely to not.

No active radar for a HARM to pick up on and a really fast missile once it's in LOS.

[rocky glen]

arma harms can lock the NASAMS iirc

[zinc aurora]

NASAMS uses PAC-3 no?

[strange meteor]

IRL no, in game yes

[rocky glen]

It shows up as a green ground vic in arma's sensor page

[zinc aurora]

could restrict it to kogfor RW only

unless you just want reaper to have fun at the expense of harpy

[rocky glen]

i'd rather KOGFOR FW but CAP only

[strange meteor]

Ugh, that makes me even more irritated with NASAMS.

[rocky glen]

I could be wrong, it has been a while

I do remember worrying about it with LOAL'ing HARMs

[regal onyx]

Can confirm the nasams shows a radar sig and shows up as a vic even though it doesn't have active radar

[rocky glen]

ok what the fuck i guess my memory serves

[zinc aurora]

feel like harpy wouldn't really be able to do much against player FW

[strange meteor]

It's such an old mod that the datalink doesn't exist in it, because it has no ActiveRadarSensor in the component config. It didn't even have to, it came out before the jets DLC.

[rocky glen]

can't the nasams deal with FW

[zinc aurora]

it can

[strange meteor]

If we can get them in LOS, sure.

[rocky glen]

that's true

[zinc aurora]

i just feel a smart player would be able to avoid it

[rocky glen]

if i was home rn id fire arma up and test

[strange meteor]

I'll do it rq

[zinc aurora]

also because its arma, i bet missiles are easy to chaff/flare off

[rocky glen]

surely you can just spam chaff and notch it

[strange meteor]

IDK, pook's missiles are weird.

[regal onyx]

i just tested against a nasams in the Mig-29sm, couldn't lock with a anti radiation but i could see it from 16k out and got it with a tv guided misslile with ease

[strange meteor]

They'll do this weird wrap around thing

[rocky glen]

was it the nasams or something else that drew a huge perfect circle with missile smoke if it lost a target or was defeated

in the air that is

[strange meteor]

Yup

MEADS, but we're shooting the same missile.

[rocky glen]

lmao

[zinc aurora]

yeah NASAMS has 12km max range

because limited by LOS

[strange meteor]

Even worse

It's limited by your view distance

[zinc aurora]

yeah thats what i mean

[rocky glen]

god i would love for harpy to get a radar + launcher based air defense of any sort

[strange meteor]

Same

[rocky glen]

i know it's technically opfor but a Tunguska or a Pantsir would be unbelievably caggers

[zinc aurora]

i'd love if stingers didn't act as stupid as they do

[zinc aurora]

give us a gepard lol

[strange meteor]

If the MSHORAD mod ever actually happened...

[rocky glen]

THAT's it

or a roland

[regal onyx]

bad news that mod appears to have been taken down for some reason

[strange meteor]

I know

[rocky glen]

yeah we know

F honestly

[zinc aurora]

m163 vads when

[strange meteor]

[rocky glen]

oh my god yes please

[zinc aurora]

just as long as its actually radar aimed

i've never seen a c-ram bought, and from what i've heard, i can see why

[rocky glen]

get some bloke to manually hold the dish and just spin around in a circle

[zinc aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-gif-27609218

[rocky glen]

i really wish it was more viable but it sucks it isnt

[zinc aurora]

POV: I see jake on a SAM radar

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/東方抽菸-gif-27406514

[zinc aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-touhou-project-touhou-fumo-fumo-remilia-fumo-gif-6501248811289230155

actually is remi bri'ish

[rocky glen]

@zinc aurora Hear me out

NGE themed lib

[zinc aurora]

what the fuck would we liberate, the fanta?

[rocky glen]

Idk just give Butcher an EVA and tell them to go kill something

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/rei-ayanami-neon-genesis-evangelion-rei-ayanami-neon-genesis-evangelion-rei-neon-genesis-evangelion-rei-ayanami-nge-gif-3133420807790123405

[zinc aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/neon-genesis-evangelion-evangelion-shinji-ikari-sniper-ramiel-gif-26020955

viper:

https://tenor.com/view/evangelion-hospital-steve-austin-evangelion-evangelion-hospital-gif-23905666

[zinc aurora]

@rocky glen

[rocky glen]

Viper with a positron rifle would go hard

[strange meteor]

So I looked into it. Tried it from the MiG-29SM, and sure enough you can pick it up from a mile out. Same with the felon.

Out of curiosity, I did try it in the vanilla stealth fighter against an independent NASAMS, and it didn't show up for shit. Must be how the radars where configured when Jets came out.

Another thing of note, at no time was there a spike from the NASAMS, even when forced active in Zeus. Mileage may vary, however I think this means it can't be HARM'd. I sure couldn't get a lock on it from the Mig or the Felon.

I could see use in using the NASAMS (and all of it's problems) as a battery, and the Avenger as a sensor to cue it. Now, I know that there's no BVR engaging with it, but at least a "look here and wait" is better than nothing.

[rocky glen]

interesting

[regal onyx]

i couldn't harm it but a normal A2G missile got it easily

[rocky glen]

so the enemy would just get a missile in the air from nowhere and most likely assume it's a stinger if they're low

[strange meteor]

Of course, but then we get into the realm of things we would expect of any light armor vehicle.

It's far from perfect. I'd like to have something that didn't have the game-breaking flaws that NASAMS has.

But

We could polish a turd, with some practice.

[zinc aurora]

i'd kill for a gepard lol

[regal onyx]

Global mobilization

[zinc aurora]

or separated launcher and radar would be pog too

imagine having one of these at ops, and then platoon now has radar coverage over the whole map

[strange meteor]

There's one in Pook's pack, but it only sees about 4 km and it looks fucky

A long time ago I made a proposal for some theater-level air defense capability, but it wasn't adopted.

I never got an answer, but based on what little I did hear it probably has to do with BVR engagement from something not Reaper or from something fixed in friendly controlled areas.

[ebon gyro]

Think this could fix most of the issues:

#🚁kc_air message

[oak galleon]

Love it. Hope it gets tested at some point

[regal echo]

#1124647926199758899 message @dusky hemlock thanks for volunteering!!!

[old anvil]

#1124647926199758899 message

[dusky hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nuh-uh-shake-head-wobbly-gif-17392991841467440232

[dusky hemlock]

wt bozo

[bold harness]

lets do a water only map and do coast guard

https://tenor.com/view/sottomarino-mare-oceano-oceano-atlantico-sink-gif-15830951

objectives are submarines or carriers

[lapis abyss]

Or oil rigs

[visual trail]

@bold harness thats just using 3dma shit for the uniforms and shit, which we used a while ago and it caused so much lag and weird graphics shit lol

[bold harness]

ah ok

[visual trail]

it has the classic issue of it looks too good lmao

[lapis abyss]

tbh 3dma isn't the best

its all high poly stuff

[visual trail]

yh, it looks really good but its very laggy, even just 10 people in a server lagged me a lot as zeus

[lapis abyss]

for the gear it offers, there's so much better looking alternatives at a lower poly count

[royal elbow]

we should just use usp or military gear pack like we did forever

[regal onyx]

@visual trail skill issue load into map yourself

[visual trail]

well i cant really load into the map when the servers not even up yet.....

[regal onyx]

eden editor "am i a joke to you"

[visual trail]

but you dont see where you start or where the points are..

how are you meant to make a plan, if you dont know anything about what your attacking and where your attacking from lmao

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/krill-issue-skill-issue-krill-issue-gif-25572478

[rocky glen]

im with callum on this one tbh

[hazy delta]

Same, common Cosmic L

[rocky glen]

we might actually have a good plan for launch if the preslots and the rest of command can see it rather than scrambling to do it whilst the servers being ddosed by 120 odd people

[regal onyx]

nah

[visual trail]

ah shit jake he got you there

[rocky glen]

damn 😔

[zinc aurora]

common cosmic L

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/dang-this-is-what-the-betrayal-feels-like-denim-richards-colby-yellowstone-gif-18142463

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734119604007206953/1272647263507710033/dDxTEoAa.gif

[magic fable]

I LITERALy love you. I
Was just helping ben

[zinc aurora]

i'd ask if im colin aproved, but i feel like if i have to ask that defeats the point

[regal echo]

One day we will be colin approved

[hazy delta]

Bro is Colin Approved 💀

[old anvil]

@bold harness u know it aint happening

[bold harness]

i mean technically speaking ACM can be modified to be like ace and it actually works

[old anvil]

pointless switch tho

[regal onyx]

I need someone to get beans to say no acm so I can add it to the sign meme

[bold harness]

i mean akazura did lol

[regal onyx]

He don't count

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[bold harness]

all we can do is hope for the downfall of ace lol

[magic fable]

#1124647926199758899 message

@edgy raptor I just actually lol’d

[edgy raptor]

Is it Colin approved

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734119604007206953/1272643156331991091/eJvdALNy.gif

Obligatory sexy man gif

[naive kayak]

#1124647926199758899 message @rocky glen we used to launch from a carrier but was bad on server performance, and in theory wherever we start would be the ops base since that’s where the assets and such are

[rocky glen]

yeah i wish the carrier was less performance heavy it would be sooo damn cool

idk i just thought it would be more "realistic" in a way

[grave mauve]

Another issue with it is for clarity. We try and have OPs Base be a place that new players can immediately have the info they need with the signs

Obviously that's near impossible for every new player to know what's going on after spawning in at OPs Base. There's just so much info to try and understand for people who have never played the game.

But for players with at least some Arma experience, those signs/billboards are pretty helpful. Speaking from experience from my first time here

[rocky glen]

fair enough

[regal echo]

Should find a carrier that is fully modeled in arma and put the signs below the flight deck and have a tp up the to the flight deck

[grave mauve]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1697731012

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bolsaarroxa-arroxa-stocks-bolsa-thompson-gif-18014030

performance be like

[grave mauve]

But it's so pretty! It has animated catapults!

And elevators!

[regal onyx]

shiieeeeet thats worth it for the airbozo's

@rocky glen call the ball

[rocky glen]

YES

[regal onyx]

get this to go with it https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1462832781

[regal echo]

among us on kc lib

[rocky glen]

The IFLOLS bouncing up and down when someone does a dumb landing

[regal onyx]

This mod is super cool

[rocky glen]

I wanna just slot 8D and do carrier ops for reaper

[regal onyx]

it would be cool but i could see it destroying server performance

[rocky glen]

Get a dedicated set of roles for managing the carrier

I dream

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-creed-in-your-dreams-dreams-gif-25984561

[rocky glen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734119604007206953/1273023843442888774/bTBBIMvJ.gif

[regal onyx]

looks so funny on my ultrawide lol

[rocky glen]

casual flex

[regal onyx]

not a flex cause i don't like it

[rocky glen]

i would KILL for an ultrawide

[regal onyx]

can't bring myself to replace it, too expensive

[rocky glen]

or something like the G9

[regal onyx]

so its relegated to second monitor

[rocky glen]

id yeet both my monitors for a g9

[regal echo]

I hate ultrawide

[rocky glen]

need

[regal onyx]

i thought i would like it but i didn't at all

[rocky glen]

why

[regal echo]

[regal onyx]

just felt weird

[rocky glen]

They look perfect, dual/triple monitor without the bezel

[regal onyx]

Was interesting in cod tho

[rocky glen]

and if you wanna play a game like SC or something you can make it w i d e

[regal onyx]

and it seemed like every other game i wanted to play didn't support ultrawide out of the box so it was either hella stretched or black bars and i hated it

[rocky glen]

rip

you can make the geforce control panel stretch it so no black bars

[bold harness]

Ill do anything for it and by anything i mean anyrhing

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-level-gif-6250973632100210017

[craggy turtle]

#1124647926199758899 message

that's what ctab is for, no?

Good idea but we have something to do that

[dusky hemlock]

Got a feeling they switching eras

[ebon gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/preach-gif-25534417

@tacit pasture

#1124647926199758899 message

[hazy delta]

#1124647926199758899 message @rocky glen nuh uh we're rangers aka cag (ik rangers is not cag)

[rocky glen]

cag is understandable but i honestly just think itll keep the immersion nam had

[hazy delta]

😴

we're back to modern bluds

[rocky glen]

you really do not need a radio for everyone in a squad

[regal onyx]

i agree

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/75th-ranger-regiment-gif-15582519261885710439

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/guns-military-army-soldier-gif-15339953

[rocky glen]

it also promotes people actually using fireteams properly since the FTL can report to the SL and theres not 8 people on the same net biting your ear off

[hazy delta]

I do not, i could not care less if everyone has a radio as long as they shut the fuck up unless they need to speak

[bold harness]

thats the IDF blud , that aint rangers smh

[rocky glen]

fair enough

[hazy delta]

ill play harpy anyways lol

[rocky glen]

true

[regal onyx]

and thats why i don't think everyone should have one is cause no one shuts up

[rocky glen]

i just wanna do semi accurate squad formations and actually have people react to contact well and i think this will help steer it in the right direction

[bold harness]

only way to create this is with caggers , and friends

[rocky glen]

yeah true

[zinc aurora]

people can do fireteam subnets which would be helpful

although people in a squad are usually always leaving and joining which kinda fucks it up

[rocky glen]

ehh idk seems more of a workaround

[hazy delta]

Subnets bad

Just shut up

[zinc aurora]

also in my expirence a lot of new people don't know how to setup and alt on a custom frequency

[hazy delta]

Also

[old anvil]

XD REAL

[rocky glen]

i still stand on my suggestion though

[hazy delta]

A fire teams should be in range to just talk

[rocky glen]

EXACTLY

[regal onyx]

imagine not knowing how to program a radio

[hazy delta]

So

Subnets is L

Sorry jake

[rocky glen]

I don't like subnets either

if a fireteam member wishes to speak to the SL, it goes to the FTL who will pass it over radio to the SL

[zinc aurora]

yeah i meant subnets for within fireteams

[rocky glen]

yeah ik

my counter is that a fireteam should be in speaking distance

[hazy delta]

That's my thing

Bro stole it

[regal onyx]

my counter is that we should go back to the early to mid 2000's so not everybody has gps or radios

[hazy delta]

Fair counter

[rocky glen]

hence my suggestion but yeah true

[hazy delta]

I counter with shut up cosmic

[zinc aurora]

my counter is that im just throwing it out there and not really arguing for it as a strong point

[regal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/833923342369161217/1274528119075897365/90mbjw.gif

[rocky glen]

It was a good call what can i say

[rocky glen]

Fair enough

[hazy delta]

Fair

[zinc aurora]

although removing ctab from most line infantry would be epic

[hazy delta]

Not when we re rangers

I like realism

Don't wanna play broke rangers

[regal onyx]

E-Rangers

[zinc aurora]

rangers but the privates and corperals are dumb and broke their ctabs in the jungle

[dusky hemlock]

#1124647926199758899 message @old anvil last time we did rangers they removed all armor so not sure if we are getting anything except strykers

[leaden thistle]

Which I really don’t understand, it’s not so a big leap that Rangers would have Armor support when trying to liberate a country by themselves

[agile cypress]

remove armour for the sake of realism but insurgents get migs

[hazy delta]

S300.

[rocky glen]

so true

[agile cypress]

hopefully CB is turned off for savage this campaign because there is litteratly nowhere for them to move about

[hazy delta]

Probably not gonna be the case lol

[naive kayak]

just cast counterspell, duh

[rocky glen]

i think cb idf and red air are gonna be on which is fun

[dusky hemlock]

not only that but now we are facing a conventional army

so not having armor and going against armor is....

[rocky glen]

theyll either give us armour (the most likely option) or somehow remove pla armour (unlikely)

[dusky hemlock]

not really unlikely

they could do that as well

[rocky glen]

true i just think it's more likely theyll give us armour

[dusky hemlock]

idk the composition on pla infantry brigade units

[agile cypress]

cant even get battalion assets off the ops base island assuming they dont move it lmao

the c17 will just get hit by the s300 the second it takes off

should be fun

[rocky glen]

i mean there's gotta be something special theyre doing if theyre preslotting savage, ogre and chevy

so im sure theyve thought of that

id love a bat c-17 tho

[hazy delta]

Bro it'd be so funny for us to be rangers and give us like LAVs as battalion or in the build list but no bradleys, i would literally die inside

[rocky glen]

i would cry

the lav sucks ass

[hazy delta]

i'd mostly die inside cuz LAVs are marines only

[rocky glen]

and that

[hazy delta]

like... the whole thing with realism and what units use what

[rocky glen]

who knows what theyll do

and if it goes wrong #1124647926199758899 will light up like a christmas tree

[lapis abyss]

Let's be real, there's mainly one reason why it was removed (killed KOG one too many times on lythium, next day it's removed).

[leaden thistle]

Airfield Seizure to start the map

[rocky glen]

that's my guess

that or a paradrop on a random point

[agile cypress]

would make alot more sense for this campaign to be marines its litteratly what they're focused on

if realism is what is wanted

[regal onyx]

I'm just saying no armor wouldn't be so bad if they give us the MGS cause it's based

[rocky glen]

real

[hazy delta]

I mean I dont expect us having an abrams lol

thats fair

[rocky glen]

just gib chadley and mgs

[regal onyx]

Lav and MGS

[rocky glen]

thats only like 50% based

[hazy delta]

-1000 aura cuz LAV

[bold harness]

@lapis abyss thats a really cool one u should do one for f16s ,18s ,and the other air assets but thats soo frickin cool #1124647926199758899 message

[zinc aurora]

would rather have us be marines than rangers tbh, but it's what it's

[naive kayak]

why

[agile cypress]

better vehicles for dealing with armour

[hazy delta]

Imagine we fight PLA marines or some shit

Maybe they wont have 20 milion mbts

[naive kayak]

we're gonan be in a haveily forested area, its not gonna be that big an issue i think

heavily*

[agile cypress]

plenty of hills for armour to sit on this map and with modern optics can see alot

[regal echo]

@naive kayak unfortunately most people would rather abort then get a casevac

[agile cypress]

i called in like 5 casevacs last map

the solution is caputre kog members

[naive kayak]

lol

thats not casevac thats kogevac

[agile cypress]

they needed blood and were downed

on lost alot

had to get a medic

banshee came straight to us and we casevac'd

[naive kayak]

maybe the way to fix that is if they abort raise the timer for respawn?

[naive kayak]

niceee

[rocky glen]

i agree

[agile cypress]

its a public server nobody wants to black screen for 20mins

[regal echo]

I was thinking this a couple weeks ago but then people who get bugged and actually need to abort get punished

[naive kayak]

im not sayin 20

[naive kayak]

i think taht was more the server than anything

[regal echo]

there has been numerous times where i get armad in FOB and am just laying there uncon and its just faster to abort at that point. in the field however id love to get a casevac personally

[agile cypress]

extracting kog is litteratly the best way for doing it in lib imo it adds tension as the lz could be ambushed by them trying to get the guy back ect

they also know what theyre signing up for as its limited who can play it so being down for awhile doesnt matter

as much as a public player

[naive kayak]

like in my head a perfect banshee loop 9 loop would be CCP is established a 500-1km for the platoon. Where 9 can fix broken legs, fatal loss of blood, pack etc. So theres a mascal event, Banshee goes in tq's stabilizes and then casevacs back to the ccp where 9 kisses the booboos to make everything all better

[edgy raptor]

With this being a casual and public server casevacs wouldn't benefit the community. They would result in most people aborting and respawning everytime they went down.
It is a good idea, just not for a public server

[naive kayak]

not if we make the ccp decently close and have 9 or if 9s not on banshee and teh ccp is ois the only place to be able to pack or fix broken bones, fatal loss

[agile cypress]

or.. add civs onto points that need extracting back to fob by banshee and it lowers civ rep

[naive kayak]

players biggest concern is time. so if the times shortened i dont think theyd mond as much

[naive kayak]

that would be hard for an 8 to manage since you cant land birds anywhere near enemy territory

[hazy delta]

kat medical

💀

[naive kayak]

if teh ccp is 500-1km away they can walk back or get ferried back to the front. it would only take a few min

as opposed to flying back to teh fob and then waiting for stalker to fly them back

[agile cypress]

you land there after capping the point

and extract civs

i think that would be cool

similar to how POWs work

[naive kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-friday-shoo-go-away-gif-4389994

[naive kayak]

kidnap civs and wait for their families to exchange? XD

i think my way would work cause players getting airlifted out would feel pretty cool even if they are staring at a black screen, they can still hear everything going on. its only a minute or 2 flight back to the ccp and ccp would only be a few min before theyre fixed and pacd and then can run back into the fight

maybe 10 min tops but somethinsg happening all 10 min

[agile cypress]

i disagree it would suck

doing it with AI or kog as i mentioned before is the best solution

[regal echo]

Honestly just put banshee under 1-9 and 9 can call up 9 lines and shit for em. i know i would

[naive kayak]

eye twitch

9 shouldnt be calling in 9 lines lol thats 8s job. plus then every 9 would need to be an 8 as well

and the conflicting airspace hurts my head laready

[regal echo]

Idk i feel like it makes sense to have 1-9 calling in medevacs

[agile cypress]

until the banshee heli flies over a aa gun that 9 wasnt aware of

9 could request one and pass along info but directing the heli should go through 8

[regal onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-are-we-the-baddies-surprised-gif-19176339

[rocky glen]

i second this

[zinc aurora]

#1124647926199758899 message

now this is epic

[glad field]

think yall rly got play some more infantry before u sit and ask for "better" loadouts for fixed wings, it's not just agent there are plenty of people who continously ask for better / more OP airframes. I get a lot of you main reaper so it makes sense totally you would want to make it more enjoyable/flexible to play - I think unfortunately some of you guys need to remember the basis of the server is infantry-centric, and making you more OP regardless of AA or CAS hinders the playability of the infantry... just my 2cents

[dusky hemlock]

So no RHS additions mod?

[sinful sable]

What? I just want to fix aircraft whose loadouts don't bring value for their cost

[rocky glen]

also i play infantry a decent amount and i have never ever felt that cas or any support asset has worsened my experience at all, that's moreso up to the 1-8 if anything

[sinful sable]

Because when you charge a high price, you expect something to provide reciprocal value to that cost
My ass ain't buying Vikings if the Vikings don't provide the value sought from their mineral and vespene cost

Neither the RFA or Montana provide that value.

(Also, we already have overpowered as hell CAS F-16s, I don't think that an improvement to bring extremely expensive variants up to the 'viable purchase' status is anything bad or would hinder infantry...if anything, providing alternatives to overpowered variants would be helpful)

[old anvil]

#1124647926199758899 message

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-turntables-gif-12190345

[agile cypress]

NV settings on lib have been bad for a long time tbh

[hazy delta]

we're roblox rangers, we aint got the budget, we got airsoft NVGs

[bold harness]

i feel like fov is good its just the blur

[regal onyx]

Roblox rangers have a higher budget

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/forward-observations-group-gif-25708536

[regal onyx]

Not the dress uniform with a holster 💀

[hazy delta]

💀 💀

[dusky hemlock]

Where do you even find this shit 😂

[hazy delta]

The roblox milsim rabbit hole is crazy

[grave mauve]

They make them on the KC Roblox server, duh

[magic fable]

Gimmie the karma mooskle edit ASAP

[hazy delta]

Boone about to turn into a mission maker for KOG Roblox

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375342327562240013/1273404890239991809/Karmarangers.gif

[bold harness]

https://youtu.be/H4yoFhsdr2c?si=z7RapsFFehwuQ_FJ

[regal onyx]

Think he meant of the other one

[hazy delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1169730655173754970/1276207015764557856/JSOCkarma.gif

💀

[regal onyx]

💀

[naive kayak]

[magic fable]

Thank you so much @hazy delta

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/honest-word-its-honest-work-it-aint-much-it-aint-much-but-its-honest-work-gif-13763573

[sinful sable]

Common Breaker W

(for real, pls gib deniland back, I want muh blessed cyrillic)

[rocky glen]

I would like to experience deniland

[sinful sable]

like, all these east asia names are actually pain for me :(

I want muh cyrillic so I can confuse others when I draw up the AO

[rocky glen]

If you 1-6 I'm PayPal'ing you £5

For at least half a restart

[sinful sable]

I wouldn't mind some deniland infantry action

[rocky glen]

Oh my god we have to do deniland

[sinful sable]

that map may as well be home

[rocky glen]

OBJ Agent's house

[sinful sable]

nah, but one of the towns is where one of my grandmas lives

[hazy delta]

#1124647926199758899 message @agile cypress dont forget that Wraith is also kinda useless with the TOWs in the jungle

[old anvil]

crazy fix

give maaws to wratihg

[agile cypress]

yo

that would be fire

[hazy delta]

Botan approved

[rocky glen]

tf are 1-4 gonna do

[agile cypress]

i forgot tows arent gonna work 💀

[regal onyx]

Give wraith the pf howitzer lmao

[agile cypress]

true

[rocky glen]

direct fire 777

[agile cypress]

give wraith a GMG

that would be fire

[rocky glen]

real

HEDP only

[hazy delta]

GMG wont work since wraith is AT unit, maaws would be fire tho

[agile cypress]

stryker gmg wraith vic

[agile cypress]

remember when we took one out with a gmg

[rocky glen]

if you give wraith a maaws tho that just makes them 1-4 without the mg

[hazy delta]

Yeah, gmg stryker is very underated

[regal onyx]

Cs reaction to all this

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[rocky glen]

True

[old anvil]

just gotta complain enough

they know aswell

tows will be useless

[visual trail]

@long quail #1124647926199758899 message
Could just give plt medic a normal humvee or smth since the only advantage to having the ambulance is that it's a medical vehicle, which is somewhat redundant for 9 since he can just place down a medical facility wherever he is, but banshee cant which is why they somewhat need the ambulance if they want to do PAKing without relying on 9

[craggy turtle]

@gray python #1124647926199758899 message yes they do normally, but sometimes it doesn't show up on training server and I wanna make sure we are infact getting them

[regal onyx]

iirc thats from the US Ranger Products mod which isn't in the modlist

[lapis abyss]

you can also get the standalone it's just called izlid on the workshop

[zinc aurora]

give 1-4 a gmg lol

[naive kayak]

#1124647926199758899 message @craggy turtle yes let opfor know where you are

[dusky hemlock]

Xp farm 1-8

[spiral veldt]

I will trade that for the izlid

[hazy delta]

Opfor don't even play really on modern

[spiral veldt]

If I'm using it to give visual reference to a helicopter that is landing, I don't think the laser will give it away much more than a fricking helicopter :D

[naive kayak]

That was when it was boring. And got spotted 5 minutes into doing anything cause there was no cover. Nam modern is gonna be amazing

[tacit pasture]

Has KOG ever played Gmod Guess Who?

use that tactic - blend in and act like AI

[agile cypress]

the gear is normally different is the issue

would work in vietnam but not modern

maybe some other factions aswell depends on uniforms ect

[rocky glen]

can they give kogfor shaheds

that would be really funny

[hazy delta]

No fuck you

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/svrainy-rage-bait-ragebait-discord-ratio-gif-13199580423258451726

[hazy delta]

Nah bro they gonna give em that shot and then say we asked for em

[rocky glen]

it would be funny though

am i seriously the only one that wouldn't mind it

[visual trail]

Oh god not those, tbf they were quite cool, however, an absolute bitch for butcher

[rocky glen]

they literally dont do anything as ai they just circle the ao

[visual trail]

Uhhh, they did

[rocky glen]

i saw them attack once and thats it

tf

[visual trail]

I got drone striked twice by them in 20 minutes

[rocky glen]

bruh

[visual trail]

Ok that's a lie, I got hit once and saw someone else get hit 20 minutes later

[rocky glen]

i only saw it once minus the fob attack in tigeria

[visual trail]

It was quite fun on the boats to hear someone scream drones and light then up with the minigun

[rocky glen]

otherwise they used to just spawn everytime rw red air spawns and do nothing

[tacit pasture]

I was joking blud I know

[agile cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/commonbluename-l-stancave-patarmade-laugh-gif-2993059928694543831

[visual trail]

Yh, they did do a whole lot of nothing, but there was also a painful amount of them everytime they spawned as well

[agile cypress]

They killed butcher and some other vics quite a few times

Other than the fob attacks useless against infantry

[visual trail]

Yh, sad, would have been fun to watch an entire flight of them to just dive on you

How about the switchblades, you can make them target infantry

[rocky glen]

switchblades woild be even funnier

[sinful sable]

ah, the memories

but yea, everyone who is on KOG or KT needs to play guess who as part of their training

[visual trail]

Or the mavic drone with the grenades

[rocky glen]

oh yes please

[craggy turtle]

yes but big funny laser, and I only use it when an aircraft is having trouble finding something tbh (which is rarely) I just like big laser

1-8 brain simple minded, big laser go brrr

[rocky glen]

I don't think i've used the izlid before, can you buddy lase with it

[ebon gyro]

No its just an IR sparkle, good for marking stuff.

Great for LOS CAS stuff

[craggy turtle]

what O Nilsson said, giant laser sparkle so I don't use it often

[rocky glen]

right like the mq-9 can do

i thought so

[craggy turtle]

yes

[rocky glen]

That's like the top 3 reasons i play shadow is so i can have the laser from god and point it at things

[craggy turtle]

yeah no honestly, love seeing that laser

[rocky glen]

And like

I wanna do more ISR that directly helps the infantry

Using the sparkle to point out things that are close to a friendly squad for example

[ebon gyro]

Using the farter drone, while out in the field, I’ll usually hop on a squads short and give directions during an assault.

It’s better suited for organic ISR, than the MQ-9, where you sit far away out of SR range.

[rocky glen]

(please tell me that typo was deliberate) yeah i need to do that more

[ebon gyro]

It was

[rocky glen]

With the darter i used to stick it at 500-700m above the AO and mark stuff

I was too scared of losing it if i brought it lower

I can't wait to play more shadow though

[naive kayak]

If you wanna laser just lasso with the ir laser on the guns

But izlid would be cool

[craggy turtle]

I normally do that tbh, just sometimes a pilot has trouble finding it so I use izlid then

[magic fable]

@naive kayak yes because we should ignore one of the most commonly used doctrinally correct forms of mark because kog exists…

You’re better than this man.

[naive kayak]

XD

[naive kayak]

It was more of I figured we could just lasso with the ir laser we already have.

[ebon gyro]

Solid launch

Server ran smooth and well organized with the RP for squads to avoid DDOS

Also very fun with all the batallion assets for launch, makes it feel like a true initial offensive.

[hazy delta]

@gray python they gonna give us a cram and we all gonna cry 😭

[gray python]

They would do that

[rocky glen]

cram would be funny

[dusky hemlock]

Shooting kajmans with Cram go hard

[hazy delta]

they def gonna AGM you before you even have the chance

[rocky glen]

they just yeet unguided rockets last time i remember

nothing guuded

[hazy delta]

nah i got agm'd in butcher once

[rocky glen]

F

[agile cypress]

the gun is like an aimbot aswell

never misses

[rocky glen]

go into the editor, spawn a kajman with AI and zeus control the pilot only, you can see the gunner aimbot working

its wild

[dusky hemlock]

Massive skill issue

Incomprehensible skill issue honestly

just dont get hit

[dusky hemlock]

PLA is cancer

actual vietnam

was much more enjoyable

[zinc aurora]

80s cold war when

[odd echo]

nah this is fun

[odd echo]

🦅 🇺🇸 BACK TO MODERN RAHH 🇺🇸 🦅 WHAT THE FUCK IS A LANDNAV?? 📱 🚁 ✈️ TYPE 3 CONTROL 💣 🤯 MARKED BY IR LASE ✴️RIFLE 🚀 🚙 LOAD APFSDS-T 🚙 UP 🔼 ON THE WAY 🔥

[rocky glen]

love this

[sinful sable]

me when every assault has 5x red air, like 7 vehicles and 2 platoons of AI

[bold harness]

@low oak u havent been on we are literally getting pounded bro

we only have 1 point captured and we have a fob on the main land

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-meme-gif-25326537

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/djnoelthezone-flr-gif-23870144

[ebon gyro]

This map has been a slogfest, the BG’s are crazy, but there are big parts of skill issue in there as well.

Don’t let BG’s roam freely and prioritize objectives that we need (factories) instead of going on random excursions to the east, or re-attacking the island to our south east.

If it don’t do any harm, let them be and focus on the objectives that benefit us.

[craggy turtle]

I fucking love this photo it's so good

[half stone]

Battlegroups should be prioritized over almost everything, all the time. The more BGs taken out, the more enemy awareness drops; the more enemy awareness drops, the less chances there are of monster PLA formations showing up to crush balls

Also, the quicker BGs are eliminated, less chance there is of them continuing to push points, or more BGs showing up and turning them into a large scale counterattack

[agile cypress]

which is one of the multiple reasons a nasam is so important it deals with them within a minute or two

[regal onyx]

Random told me i was killing them too fast 💀

[half stone]

Sort of, if you kill them all before they drop. Otherwise you have to eliminate the entire BG, down to the last man

[agile cypress]

unless terrain is completely flat or you position too far away from the frontlines (like 10km away) you should be killing them all before they can drop

[gray python]

The problem is once we leave this coast line area, Nasam are going to struggle to get a go pos with los

[rocky glen]

literal copium, cag harpy is simply too good

[zinc aurora]

hang the nasams from a heli and fly it around

wait nvm im so fucking stupid I accidently invented air to air missiles

[rocky glen]

https://tenor.com/view/table-meme-relatable-goofy-ahh-table-fall-gif-26473613

[lapis abyss]

the nasam missiles are literally aim-120c lmao

[hazy delta]

They re not in lib😭😭😭😭 they re pac 3s😎

[regal onyx]

Wouldn't help anything @cobalt frigate 99% of the time when the server dies it's cause the actual server client crashed not the headless client
#1124647926199758899 message

[cobalt frigate]

Now that I think about it desync happens also when people are in a tactical glob

Doesn't really have anything to do with AI

Headless clients help with AI calculaitons

[tacit pasture]

Trust me, the CS have tried everything to alleviate these issues

it’s just an old game with poor optimisation

[regal onyx]

^^^^

[edgy raptor]

Easiest fix I can think of. Don’t stack everyone up on one spot. And don’t over proc points.

[craggy turtle]

I feel like tactical blob and having all the blufor units in one spot probably doesn't help, but yeah it's just an old game with very poor optimization

[lapis abyss]

you said hide the entire platoon in the HQ building and activate an atomic bomb?

[naive kayak]

Remember when people said tactical blob wouldn’t happen in modern

Bout even now

[dusky hemlock]

In actual Vietnam the blob was understandable because they needed to be within voice range to hear orders but in modern idk man

[visual trail]

You can hear orders without being in a blob, especially if people echo them

[bold harness]

@regal onyx @rocky glen blud we are broke

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256 the us defense budget

[rocky glen]

blud they chnaged it for a reason

[sinful sable]

and then they made no provisions for us to ever be able to transition to having it for real

[rocky glen]

theyre not gonna revert it dude

[gloomy perch]

red air is broken
it spawns behind OPS
its going towards alpha
we lock
it becomes invisible
we cant deal with this new cloaking technology
red air did this 3 times in 5 minutes

[dusky hemlock]

The Admins and CS know about it and working on it

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/beans-ptn-ptn-beans-path-to-nowhere-beans-beans-path-to-nowhere-beans-discord-gif-13012465956818341930

[craggy turtle]

@ odin
#1124647926199758899 message

Pls

[regal onyx]

@hazy delta PF Wraith gun
#1124647926199758899 message

[hazy delta]

I'd take anything at this point

[sinful sable]

I don't think it's calibrated to face modern vehicles though..

not less the PLA ones

I think this is a wish born out of selection bias where the AT gun was good in nam where it was balanced for nam

[gray python]

I mean none of our stuff is calibrated for pla armor

[dusky hemlock]

Jav would fit nice

1 Javelin

4 missiles

Per box

[hazy delta]

anything, i wanna help with armor but tow aint it 💀 its pretty bad

[dusky hemlock]

Wraith is AT team right

[gray python]

Wraith is the dedicated AT team yes

They exist for that purpose alone

[dusky hemlock]

Javelin would be lore accurate

[hazy delta]

real

[gray python]

Im going to go into the editor and mess around with some of the static emplacements, see if anything would work

[sinful sable]

honestly, I truly do wonder if the AT gun would work just because it's not RHS

some of our best PLA killer assets work because they are either very powerful RHS weapons, or are not RHS

[gray python]

Yeah the uh vietnam 105 does not work great, even when striking treads

[rocky glen]

it's great for vc

[gray python]

the stryker also sucks despite being the same cost as an Abrahams

[dusky hemlock]

quick someone try out the 105 at againt PLA armor lol

[rocky glen]

on it

[gray python]

I did

it's not great

[rocky glen]

aw

[gray python]

Honestly the Abrams also sucks against their armor

[regal onyx]

777 against pla armor lol

[gray python]

Im pretty sure our only real form of viable at is air assets

[sinful sable]

no

I don't think it'll work as great we hope it would

[odd echo]

#1124647926199758899 message
W suggestion
Since the "game" right now is specifically designed to be like this (start small and then it doesnt matter down the road cause we have the majority of the factories)
On Fallujah it felt like we didnt care about all those frustrations anymore and just played to enjoy the game, even if we lost and died cause losing assets still mattered (if its lost then its gone for the entire restart) but they'd come back so we just focused more on tactics

I feel like the appropriate system would be to have "unlocks" based on objectives captured. Like capping "x" amount of OBJs will award us with x battalion vehicles. Or back when we used to need to cap a point to unlock it in the build-list but instead it just becomes battalion

Example would be we cap 10 points, we unlock 6 humvees and 2 more soft tops, a little bird
we cap 30-50 we get CAS but only 1 of each type (1 FW 1 Rotary) so resources still have meaning if we dont like the battalion asset

If its based on a specific objective capture like "Capping radiotower 1087689 gives us an A-10" but its relatively far away from Ops Base then company command would start doing "tactics" to get to that point specifically instead of just picking a random point that looks good every restart

[rocky glen]

Wait you cooked here

How about we make it so when different mil points are captured or airbases we get a random selection of assets? (can say we traded the opfor vehicles found there when we "liberated it" for lore reasons)

[naive kayak]

Beans has said that factories and logistics are always a part of the lip experience that he wants to keep. Especially because it’s part of the core gameplay loop

[rocky glen]

yea true i remember him saying that

[naive kayak]

The reason why fallujah had the bat assets is cause it was a small map. But larger maps like this the intent with factories and having to buy assets is that you have to think and work together. It’s just rough cause it’s the first map back to modern and it’s a lot of air.

[odd echo]

maybe its just the map idk not many factories at all with the roughest terrain possible with a difficult enemy

not saying its impossible to complete just not as fun and we're complaining about assets

[naive kayak]

It’s the second part of that first sentence is why it’s so hard. The further inland we go the more factories there are. Like I know it’ll be a bitch but there at least 2 NE by all those points by the air field. And I think more around the capitals.

We’re always gonna comp in about assets, even if they’re free.

If we just have battalion assets the people using it are just gonna be even more loosey goosey with em

And not have a sense of ownership

[tacit pasture]

Bring back ISR build lists fr

[odd echo]

i heard a dude saying that we have 11 factories total on the map

statistically late map we'll have like 6

which isnt a lot if you want to afford cas

you could just go no cas and buy logi instead (ground vics)

but that has to be a decision made by everyone

which is not realistic lol

[naive kayak]

we have 4ish now i think. theyre turning out decent amount of supplies. And while we need CAS we need it in the proper order, everyone likes teh brrt but we need a CAP plane to deal with the j10s. I guaruantee once we get a CAP plane things will turn in our favor

[odd echo]

we need a multirole that does all but master of none

otherwise we need to buy

1 CAP 1 CAS

and then it needs to be crewed at the same time

[naive kayak]

the Alsaka does it all

[bold harness]

if we are gonna buy 2 jets which prob wont happen until end map f22 and f16 alaska is the way ,but currently alaska or f15 or f35 heavy does it all

[odd echo]

alaska it is

[sinful sable]

see, the Alaska is pretty good for the 1st jet

The second can be the Texas or Wisconsin

[naive kayak]

do you pop up whevere alaska is being mentioned? lmao

[bold harness]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[sinful sable]

hey, at least I agree on us needing it first

[bold harness]

any sane person would agree lol

[sinful sable]

now, the F-35 Heavy we don't really need

no electronic countermeasures, no stealth, buggy targeting pod, cannot SEAD....do I need to say more

for the 2nd we'd want another F-16 with a more focused loadout

[odd echo]

bro really said 2nd

Im going to be glad if we are able to buy a single one during this campaign

let alone not have it be destroyed within 24 hours

[bold harness]

REAL

[naive kayak]

im tellin you, we save for teh alaska and our world will change. We wont have to fear red air nearly as much as we do

[bold harness]

@crimson briar #1124647926199758899 message i meant like any number of supplies i meant 4k as an example

[rocky glen]

i can guarantee the whole platoon being stuck at fob due to 3 Kajmans would be a non issue as well

[rocky glen]

still tho they just gave us a load of free stuff 😭

[bold harness]

best thing about alaska is it can take outt red air with apkws so it doesnt have to use A2A and save em for FW

[bold harness]

i know ,but no one is gonna take SAIGON any time soon

[rocky glen]

Hanoi is gonna be worse its like 3-4 capitals and a mil point

[bold harness]

but its smth just take into consideration just like a fun op

[dusky hemlock]

I really dont understand the complaints about assets not given free

We got factories

If we need an asset we wait for resources

[odd echo]

We just coping

You can choose to ignore it, its a suggestion not a mandate

[magic fable]

@naive kayak I’ve purposely stayed out of these discussions because it’s gotta a tad toxic and negative recently but I figured I should comment on this.

The PLT does NOT need a CAP only aircraft. The PLT needs a multirole that has SEAD.

All the multirole aircraft have air to air munitions so it can conduct CAP, but we NEED an aircraft that can smack SAM’s. The days of flying a darter drone at tree level trying to coordinate with savages’s FCR tablet is dead and gone - there’s no reason to do it when we have so many talented pilots that know how to use HARMS. We just need the aircraft that can do it.

It’s an expensive buy, but at the end of the day that needs to be the first FW purchase - and we shouldn’t be buying anything else FW until we have that established.

To have air superiority we must first be assured that we can kill their SAMS, then their air. Then and only then should we be buying a primary CAS asset.

And last but not least: Knowingly putting an aircraft into danger is against SOP’s. IMO flying a FW jet that cannot deal with SAM’s and red air IS PUTTING THE AIRFRAME into danger. I urge those with reaper perms to consider that risk on every sortie in the case we someone purchase non-permissive airframes.

[naive kayak]

its why ive been wanting the Alaska. And whoevers flying and whoevers 8 needs to have a plan before going up on how to deal with the SAM sites

[rocky glen]

luckily the best aircraft we have does all 3 mission types great (the alaska/arctic splinter whatever you wanna call it)

[hazy delta]

the alaska has insane multirole capabilities, the a10 is a piece of shit 😂

[naive kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-emperor's-new-groove-whoa-whoa-now-hold-on-gif-9462234456499179835

a10 is fucking awesome. Just not what we need right now

[bold harness]

skill issue somhow get on the red airs 6 and gun him down ( i am kidding botan is true)

[hazy delta]

https://tenor.com/view/lock-in-silly-cat-cat-locked-in-lock-tf-in-gif-12487162223602060140

ik you're kidding you aint stupid xd