💻-building-a-pc

[errant vigil]

Right

[ruby forge]

didnt know that

[errant vigil]

Yeah

[raw marsh]

no, you still need fans on the rad, if anything the pump has capacity to make more noise

[ruby forge]

I heard you guys talking about separate cooling?

then what do I do here..

[crimson scroll]

mostly aesthetic at your price range

and if you want to worry about leaks

[errant vigil]

Well I prefer Noctua fans, though expensive Linus tech tips approves them lol

I’m a performance guy not really aesthetic

[ruby forge]

yeah not risking leaks

so

air fans it is

[raw marsh]

not much of a risk but that's fine

[errant vigil]

Yeahs it’s not all that bad just the potential is there

[ruby forge]

Theres always a chance

a chance for me to lose 1.8k

[errant vigil]

Probably even with your fans stopping working

[ruby forge]

ok ok

Has that happend to you guys?

Fans stop?

Water leaks?

[raw marsh]

nope

nope

[errant vigil]

Yeah

Just get new fans

They’re like 10 bucks

At least til you can get a new on

[ruby forge]

wait fans aren't 40$

[errant vigil]

Good ones

[ruby forge]

here's my rough estimate of a list

[crimson scroll]

you can get good noctuas for $25

the only fans that cost $40 are overpriced rgb ones

[ruby forge]

So would this be accurate spending?
CPU-230
GPU-660
RAM-90
Storage-140
Cooling-80
Case-110
Power supply-85
Motherboard-210

[errant vigil]

I literally masking taped 2 fans together and screwed them in over my cpu til I got a new cooler

[ruby forge]

that is my rough list

[errant vigil]

It’s actually worked ok

[ruby forge]

as saucy called it a rough draft

so

[raw marsh]

might as well integrate MB and wifi

[ruby forge]

that's what I'm guessing I'd spend on each

[errant vigil]

Motherboard should come with wifi

[ruby forge]

ah I see

[errant vigil]

Fans are cooling

[ruby forge]

I have a wired connection anyways

[errant vigil]

Ah

Yeah you could cut down on the prices in some areas and I’d throw the rest into your GPU

[ruby forge]

That's what others said

[errant vigil]

Just my GPU and CPU alone for my build is around 1600~1800

[ruby forge]

So what motherboard brands do you guys reccomend?

[raw marsh]

just start by seeing what gpu you can realistically get

[errant vigil]

Everything else is like 70 bucks or less in my build

[crimson scroll]

same as before

every company has good and bad products

[ruby forge]

I'm using PCPartPicker

so uh

[errant vigil]

Asus

[ruby forge]

I see

asus is a big brand

[crimson scroll]

brand loyalty is a bad idea

[raw marsh]

they all are

[ruby forge]

I saw as its everywhere

so for cooling air fans are fine?

[crimson scroll]

all fans are "air fans"

[ruby forge]

I suppose

fans

are fans fine for cooling

[crimson scroll]

air cooling is what we call it

[raw marsh]

well what else

[ruby forge]

whatcha mean?

[raw marsh]

there is no alternative

[crimson scroll]

you need to separate fans and the actual cooler

[ruby forge]

uh

[crimson scroll]

there are fans in an air cooler

but the air cooler isn't just fans

[ruby forge]

What should a fans rpm be?

[crimson scroll]

this is the same question as the cpu cores and clock speed

don't worry about the specs

worry about the performance

[ruby forge]

but I dont want my pc sounding like a nascar race

okay how about the decibels

how much sound should it make

[crimson scroll]

every company tests using a different method

so their volume readings will be different

use reviews

don't go by just the specs on the box

[errant vigil]

Usually if you’re using a headset you won’t hear the sounds like 98% of the time

[ruby forge]

cooler master hyper 212 rgb black edition seems good

[errant vigil]

Especially over most games

[errant vigil]

Link?

[ruby forge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hHDJ7P/cooler-master-hyper-212-rgb-black-edition-573-cfm-cpu-cooler-rr-212s-20pc-r1

[errant vigil]

Reviews say it’s decent

RGB isn’t the best but it’s a good cooler

[ruby forge]

What parts of my build should be rgb?

[errant vigil]

I’d say use the software SignalRGB too

[errant vigil]

None of them unless you want them to be

[ruby forge]

because I want my pc looking like Ryan Reynolds

[raw marsh]

[errant vigil]

😌GPU, PSU, RAM, Case fans and CPU cooler can all have RGB

And some motherboards though that’s rare

[raw marsh]

RGB PSU

[errant vigil]

Corsair makes good ones

I think they’re called CX-M models

I might be wrong but u think CX is in the name

[ruby forge]

PSU is power supply right

[errant vigil]

Yeah

[ruby forge]

that totally wasn't a fat guess

[errant vigil]

Haha

[ruby forge]

165$ fans

corsair has never seemed to impress me with the overpricing

[errant vigil]

Btw according to LTT there isn’t much of a difference between air cooling and water cooling though water cooling is sometimes more efficient if set up correctly

[errant vigil]

I love Corsair

[ruby forge]

would YouTube help me set up correctly?

[crimson scroll]

water cooling has higher cooling potential

[errant vigil]

Yeah

[errant vigil]

especially with what you put into your pump

[ruby forge]

because if you think I'm good to set up all this without an old dude with a bobcut telling what to do

then I can call you a comedian

[errant vigil]

Linus Tech Tips is my most trusted source

[ruby forge]

why does everyone shit on carters pc

is he like a scammer or something

[raw marsh]

who tf is he

[ruby forge]

a guy

who

likes pcs...?

anyways what should I spend on a cooler with an 1800 budget

[gaunt bloom]

I’m rockin a Corsair H150i. 360mm rad. Push pull. It’s a sweet setup.

[ruby forge]

165?I dunno

[gaunt bloom]

You can roll a 240mm, whatever. I just knew I was going to be putting a lot of watts through my processor and wanted the extra surface area.

[scenic junco]

Dont get corsair fans

[scenic junco]

Artic freezer or ek aio are great

[scenic junco]

Not at all dude

[errant vigil]

I’ve never seen it

But then again I don’t look for it sooooo

[scenic junco]

Every mobo in every pc ive ever built has at least an rgb logo

[ruby forge]

Cooler master okay?

[errant vigil]

Hehe not mine lol

[scenic junco]

For what? A cheap air cooler? Yes. Water cooling or fans? No.

[errant vigil]

I mean there is a light on it lol

[ruby forge]

Is the air cooler good?

I mean the cooler master

[scenic junco]

Not really

[ruby forge]

then what did I do

I have an 1800 budget

cant spend 150 on just fans

[scenic junco]

Yea u can

[ruby forge]

uhh not really

graphics cards my importance

[scenic junco]

I spent 160 on an ek aio on a 1500 budget

[ruby forge]

I want a gaming pc that runs great and gives me good eyecandy

[scenic junco]

I got my 3060ti for $650, ull be fine

You need a cooler that isnt shit or everything else is kinda useless if it overheats in 20 minutes

[ruby forge]

so what's good

[white sequoia]

Arctic makes great coolers

Anti eye candy: noctua

[ruby forge]

rgb?

[raw marsh]

No

[ruby forge]

artic doesn't have rgb?

[queen violet]

NZXT makes good rgb coolers

It doesn’t look tacky like most coolers do

[raw marsh]

Depends on the model

[ruby forge]

so artic or nzxt?

[white sequoia]

I generally avoid rgb on pc parts because they all use random unrelated softwares

[raw marsh]

⭐ ⭐

[ruby forge]

didnt know that

[white sequoia]

Or they use icue

[ruby forge]

so what do I do if I want rgb?

[white sequoia]

Get rgb stuff and use the software

[ruby forge]

the...software?

you lost me haha

[raw marsh]

Yes, the respective software for the RGB products

[white sequoia]

SS has engine, the other products have their own

Open rgb or signal can be good, but their compatibility isnt super good

[ruby forge]

but they use unrelated software?

[white sequoia]

Multiple brands, multiple software

[ruby forge]

do they work together?

[white sequoia]

Yeah, but now u have multiple different apps running

[ruby forge]

so do I buy rgb products of the same brand?

[white sequoia]

U can

[raw marsh]

It would make it more convenient

[white sequoia]

If all u have for rgb is fans, then use the same brand of fans

[ruby forge]

isn't that my only option to make it collab together

[white sequoia]

That or openrgb

Or signal

[ruby forge]

what do those do

[white sequoia]

They are reverse engineered versions of the software that can talk with multiple brands of rgb stuff

[ruby forge]

So would that work while not running the apps on my pc?

[white sequoia]

It can

[ruby forge]

Any issues?

[white sequoia]

Depends on the product

Some are not supported

Just look up if the products are supported

[ruby forge]

Oh okay

Openrgbs an app right?

[raw marsh]

Yes

[ruby forge]

Okay,

Should I spend extra 20$ on arctic 360 instead of 240?

[crimson scroll]

generally the 280 is more worth it

very close in volume to the 360, cheaper

[raw marsh]

Not if you don't need it

[ruby forge]

116 for the 280

so I will probably do that

nvm

doesn't work with openrgb

now that I think about

what pc parts show the actual rgb

like make the case shine of the color

[scenic junco]

Same with ek, im running one and aside from an arctic, its the best one ive ever used

[scenic junco]

Yes

[scenic junco]

Just use signalrgb

[ruby forge]

does that work better?

[scenic junco]

Yes

Also get msi afterburner

And set a custom fan curve when you have time

[ruby forge]

the fan seems loud

[scenic junco]

Then set a curve

[ruby forge]

36dbs for an ek

[scenic junco]

Yea…and?

I also have a mesh case, its not that loud if you set a curve

[ruby forge]

what's a curve?

[scenic junco]

Its 36 at max output

[ruby forge]

never had a pc before

ever

[scenic junco]

Google it

Ill help you but im not gonna spoonfeed you

[ruby forge]

oh I see

[white sequoia]

A curve is what temperature values result in what fan speed

A curve of how when the fans ramp up

[scenic junco]

Set a custom one and ull be fine

[ruby forge]

So what's more compatible with signalrgb?Arctic or EK

[scenic junco]

Both

Only thing is that ek is half the price of arctic

The arctic freezer 360 at least

Or around half, idk things may have changed in the six months since i bought my ek

[white sequoia]

If u r using an i5 or a ryzen 5, then a 360 is kinda overkill

[ruby forge]

not a single ek product isn't watercooler or fits my cpu

[scenic junco]

Im using a 9

[ruby forge]

the latch on my cpu is 1200

[white sequoia]

It will fit

[scenic junco]

Its gonna fit

[ruby forge]

in filters it says otherwise

[white sequoia]

LGA 1200 is a common socket

[scenic junco]

Anyway, im gonna go to the beach so cya

[ruby forge]

alr

[ruby forge]

so they are watercooled

and I'm wanting air cooled

so i suppose arctic

[scenic junco]

Arctic is water too

If you want good air cooling get noctua (theyre ugly asf tho)

Now i leave

[white sequoia]

Ohhhhhh

Arctic does air cooling

Noctua is good, but NOT eye candy

[ruby forge]

Corsair seems good

[scenic junco]

I keep getting notis

[ruby forge]

Does the radiator size matter at all?

[white sequoia]

Corsair is kinda overpriced

[scenic junco]

And no, corsair sux ass

[white sequoia]

Air cooling?

[ruby forge]

yup

[scenic junco]

Yes, but radiator is a water cooling thing, not air

[white sequoia]

Air cooling has no radiator

It uses a heatsink

[scenic junco]

Air cooling uses fans and a heatsink

[ruby forge]

oh forgot the filter then

mb

3 products that look like they came out of a hippies ass

no thanks

Arctic then?

or is that bad too.

[scenic junco]

Noctua is great but ugly

[ruby forge]

yeah noctua is off my list

stuck in the 80s

[scenic junco]

Arctic makes p good stuff, but id still recommend water cooling

[ruby forge]

1980s I mean

but someone told me water cooling could leak

and I'd have a better chance replacing broken air fans then a broken pc

[white sequoia]

Noctua is top quality

[scenic junco]

Theyre both wrong and stupid

[crimson scroll]

ahem.

[ruby forge]

What a coincidence

[scenic junco]

If its you then my statement continues, idrc

[crimson scroll]

it's not wrong that water cooling can leak

[scenic junco]

Unlikely

[crimson scroll]

it's on the list of pros and cons when you compare it to air cooling

[scenic junco]

It happens sure

[crimson scroll]

unlikely, yes

[scenic junco]

But very unlikely

[crimson scroll]

but it's definitely a consideration

even if it doesn't leak

[ruby forge]

my luck is extremely bad

[scenic junco]

Especially with commercial systems and not custom loops

[crimson scroll]

more points of failure

[ruby forge]

air is my friend

[crimson scroll]

the pump can fail

the impeller could fail

[scenic junco]

Just dont buy crap

Ek and arctic have amazing track records

[white sequoia]

Air cooling is easier for a first time builder

[crimson scroll]

even if you buy a good cooler, statistics say you might get a bad one

i'm aware ek and arctic are good

i've recommended them in the past

[scenic junco]

Statistics say a lot of shit, its no reason to say that watercooling is inherently dangerous

[crimson scroll]

i mean

it is

[scenic junco]

Saucy, has anyone ever told you you’re a troglodyte?

[crimson scroll]

have you read the rules?

[ruby forge]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bDK2FT/thermaltake-riing-silent-12-rgb-sync-edition-53-cfm-cpu-cooler-cl-p052-al12sw-a

This one good?

[crimson scroll]

you should take a chill pill

[scenic junco]

Yknow, if he wants to buy some shitass cooling, no skin off my back

[ruby forge]

I dont even know wtf is good or bad

so I ask here

12 different opinions

[scenic junco]

I answered

[ruby forge]

12 different answers

12 different statements

all being noticed

I'd prefer air

So my pc doesn't become a fucking firefighter

[scenic junco]

Most [intellegent] people agree that water is superior

[ruby forge]

and get sprayed in water

Okay

[crimson scroll]

it depends

[ruby forge]

I'm looking for air as it wont cause my pc to shutdown

[crimson scroll]

does it have a higher capacity to cool? yes

does it matter at a certain level of heat? no

i've literally said it myself

both have their pros and cons

and i'm warning you a second time, cut out the snide insults

[ruby forge]

How many fans should I have?

Finally decided to use the Arctic freezer 34 esports duo cpu cooler

[crimson scroll]

how much

[ruby forge]

40$

[crimson scroll]

eh

[ruby forge]

I've been looking for an hour for a good one

I have had many opinions

and I dont wanna use water

so unless there is a better brand then arctic

I'm sticking with arctic

So how many fans do I need?

[crimson scroll]

you could slap a dark rock pro 4 on your cpu

or an nh d15

[ruby forge]

the hell's that

[crimson scroll]

coolers

more expensive, much better

if you overclock your cpu you'll want the headroom

[ruby forge]

headroom?

[crimson scroll]

extra cooling potential

[ruby forge]

ah

so should I use fans or the cpu cover thing

and don't I need to buy multiple fans for my pc?

[crimson scroll]

what do you mean "cpu cover thing"

[ruby forge]

The dark rock

[crimson scroll]

both air cooling and water cooling use fans

[ruby forge]

Or the

Nh d15

[crimson scroll]

depends on which one you like more and is cheaper

they're pretty similar

[ruby forge]

do they come with rgb?

[crimson scroll]

no

[ruby forge]

uh

Ok

So wouldn't it be cheaper to buy this then a fan?

I thought pcs needed 3 fans

atleast

Thats what google told me

[crimson scroll]

it really depends

[ruby forge]

what does it depend

[crimson scroll]

on what case you have

what cooler you have

my pc only has two case fans

[ruby forge]

the cooler is the fans on the app you gave me

I'm so confused

[crimson scroll]

i'm gonna reiterate this again

cpu coolers are not fans

they have fans

[ruby forge]

I ser

[crimson scroll]

you can't use the terms interchangeably

[ruby forge]

see

So

What would be better?

The dark rock and the NH

Or the Arctic

[crimson scroll]

performance wise, the dark rock pro 4 and nh d15 are very similar

the arctic freezer esports duo is far behind those two

[ruby forge]

so I should cholse either the dark rock and nh

[crimson scroll]

in my opinion the esports duo won't be a good choice for a 11600k

not if you want to overclock

[ruby forge]

in which I do want to overclock

So

between the dark rock and nh

[crimson scroll]

^

[ruby forge]

as long as they aren't over 100 I'm fine

chose the dark rock

alright

now for the motherboard

google tells me to spend 300

I dont think I can spend 300

Asus or Arock are my choices

Is there a way not to include the wifi inside?

I have a wired connection

[scenic junco]

B550-f is the one i run, its like 280 i think

Good for wired connection

[ruby forge]

does a motherboard price inheritantly matter?

[scenic junco]

Not entirely

Like obv stay away from a $30 one

[ruby forge]

How much should I spend on a motherboard?

[scenic junco]

But specs matter more than price

[scenic junco]

Depends

[ruby forge]

uhh

[scenic junco]

What kind of specs are you going for? What socket? What cpu? How many m.2 slots, etc

[ruby forge]

Does motherboard matter on Cpu?

[scenic junco]

Well yes

[ruby forge]

Specs?Beautiful while running 120+ fps

[scenic junco]

That is not what i was asking

[ruby forge]

Uh

what were you asking then

[scenic junco]

These

[ruby forge]

Ahh

[scenic junco]

How many m.2 slots, what kind of socket and cpu compatibility, etc

[ruby forge]

My cpu is the 11600k

And the rest I dunno

[scenic junco]

Is that set in stone or no?

[ruby forge]

yes

[scenic junco]

So you have the cpu?

/have bought it?

[ruby forge]

no

but it's the basis I'm starting with

And I'm keeping the cpu the same

[scenic junco]

Why?

You can save on cooler if you go ams

Amd*

[ruby forge]

I'll keep intel

[scenic junco]

If you say so

[ruby forge]

I prefer it anyways

Especially that gen

Only 230 too

[scenic junco]

I believe the b550 has an lga 1200 version (i could be mistaken)

If so id get that

[ruby forge]

B550?

[scenic junco]

The b550-f gaming from asus

Its what im currently running in my build

[ruby forge]

How much is it?

[scenic junco]

The picture i sent earlier was an old one

[scenic junco]

I believe 280 as aforementioned, however i may be mistaken and it may be 180 (however I highly doubt it)

[ruby forge]

I thought you were talking about cpu...haha

[scenic junco]

Oh lol

[ruby forge]

Yeah I'm down with the ASUS

[scenic junco]

Assuming it has lga1200 compatibility

[ruby forge]

Trying to figure how much I should spend on the motherboard though

[scenic junco]

Which i cant say for sure

[scenic junco]

Well it depends, but id say no less than like 120 and no more than like 315

I like the b550 because it has good temp controllers, 2 m.2 slots and is perfect for my cpu

[ruby forge]

My build with my cpu and cooling is 319

[scenic junco]

What do you have so far?

[ruby forge]

CPU and cooling

[scenic junco]

Ok

Do you know what you want for anything else?

Case, psu, ram, gpu, etc?

If not, id recommend watching gamers nexus airflow case ranking list, its very good for cases

Id recommend at least 16gb of ram

But thats pretty standard

[ruby forge]

Alr

[scenic junco]

Im running 64 rn, looking to bump it up to 128 when my quadro comes in

[ruby forge]

64 what?

[scenic junco]

Gb of ram…

[ruby forge]

Does the chipset matter?

[white sequoia]

A little bit

It specifies its upgrade path

At least for amd

[next kayak]

buliding a pc rn, picking parts, what i have so far https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CjWHJb

someone welp

[compact bobcat]

Hello everyone! very new to the PC community! I've always been a console gamer but it was steel Series that turned my eye to PC gaming. I'm looking forward to building my first PC and hope this server can be of some help down the line.

I have Steel Series PRO wireless. and the Steelseries bundle pack (didn't read the description and got a 2nd pair of headsets.)

[white sequoia]

Just grab storage and a case

The price on the gpu hurt my soul

[next kayak]

is it high or low

[next kayak]

for storage i might just take out my current hard drive and ssd and save some bucks

[white sequoia]

Good idea

[white sequoia]

High

They are all high

That 1650 is at the msrp of a 3060

[next kayak]

oh damn

[white sequoia]

At least it isnt even higher

[next kayak]

how much would the normal price be

[white sequoia]

149

[next kayak]

oh damn

i still have like a couple hundre of working space in my budget

what would be a better gpu

[white sequoia]

1660 maybe

[next kayak]

ah nvm that's way over now

[noble oak]

thats what i got, great motherboard and has support for almost everything youd need

had it for a year havent had a single problem with it

[scenic junco]

A 3090 founders edition 🥴

[next kayak]

that's my whole budget

anyways

here is my build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PPzWnL

[scenic junco]

Ive seen it

Imo ure cutting it close with a 550, id go for 650 but thats just me

[next kayak]

what do you mean cutting it close

[ruby forge]

For a beginner should I choose intel or amd for my cpu?

[crimson scroll]

no difference

[ruby forge]

I'm stuck on the chipset and intel doesn't tell me

apparently amd does

Nvm figured it out

The question now is

MSI,Gigabyte,Assrock or Asus

I'm guessing its preference again?

[next kayak]

i don't know anything sorry

[raw marsh]

yeah

and price

[ruby forge]

how much should I spend on a motherboard?

[raw marsh]

I can't tell you that

[ruby forge]

idk what's good or bad

I have 1800 to work with

google told me to buy a 350 dollar motherboard

[scenic junco]

Cept for price

[scenic junco]

Which one?

[crimson scroll]

doesn't make a difference to skill level

[scenic junco]

True

[scenic junco]

Depends on what you want, I’ve always gone with msi or asus for mobo personally

[scenic junco]

Youre close to already using all of the power that the psu can output

[next kayak]

Huh

It's a 500

[scenic junco]

And?

[next kayak]

My estimate outpuy is 30p

300

[scenic junco]

Thats always on the low end

Plus then you have no expansion room, and a 650 is like $20 more

[next kayak]

But 1660 is like 6gb

1650

Is like 4gb

[scenic junco]

A 650watt psu

Not a gpu…

[next kayak]

Ohhh

My bad

But 550is ebough

No?

I don't think I will upgrade

[scenic junco]

Ok

[white sequoia]

550 should be fine even for an rx 6600xt

[amber frost]

Invalid payment source ???

[smoky breach]

120-9999

The pro vdh or bazooka are the cheapest decent motherboards i guess

[crimson scroll]

they left the server

[errant vigil]

Hey y’all I’m too lazy to look
Think I have enough wattage to upgrade my ram if I have a Cx550,
Ryzen 7 5800x
EVGA 2070 super
Ripjaws 2x8

I wanna add corsairs RGB ram (2x8) to my build

[crimson scroll]

Reasonable 3200cl16 ram should draw like 2.5 to 3 watts per 8gb

It's really not a big deal and shouldn't be factored that much into power supply choice

Also I'd recommend using the same sticks of ram in a system, otherwise it'll run at the lowest rated speeds!/loosest timings

[fallow spade]

I rate crucial ballistix, you can get 3600 CL16 which seems to be the accepted ideal price-performance for a very reasonable price

[queen violet]

its good stuff

[white sequoia]

Crucial is my preffered memory brand

[queen violet]

Crucial or G.Skill are my go to

[white sequoia]

Crucial has good non rgb options

[scenic junco]

Crucial is probably my go to for non rgb as well

[smoky breach]

99 aud for 3600cl16
very good deal
its rev e as well

[grim moon]

Out of all these motherboards, which is probably the best one or which should i stay away from?
Gigabyte Z690 UD DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
MSI PRO Z690-A WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Gigabyte Z690 GAMING X DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Asus PRIME Z690-P WIFI D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard
Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE AX DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard

[crimson scroll]

you don't have to include all the lga 1700 stuff

the z690 chipset is enough to identify it

[scenic junco]

Im not a gigabyte guy personally so id probably get rid of those

[crimson scroll]

that's not a good way to go about it

[grim moon]

yeah i just copy pasted the names

[scenic junco]

I really didnt ask, i just stated my opinion

[crimson scroll]

and i stated mine

it's not a good idea to just blanket statement throw out an entire brand because you don't like them

[scenic junco]

They have a bad record of defective stuff

[crimson scroll]

first off, it's not a motherboard for you, it's a motherboard for somebody else

yeah so does msi

and asus

oh no

[scenic junco]

So im not going to monitize them or recommend that anyone else do so

[crimson scroll]

we have no motherboards left

[scenic junco]

Gigabytes moreso imo

[crimson scroll]

this is all just conjecture

[scenic junco]

Ok and? Im stating what i would stay away from, if he wants gigabyte, he can buy it

[crimson scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3yiA1YREc

good beginner video

[grim moon]

👍

[crimson scroll]

just look at the temps

[scenic junco]

But generally mobo is a personal choice

Temps+looks

[grim moon]

Ive narrowed it down to these 2 with the option of including wifi on both brands if need be
MSI PRO Z690-A DDR4 ATX Motherboard
Asus PRIME Z690-P D4 ATX Motherboard

[scenic junco]

Well, what looks better to you?

[smoky breach]

the msi pro is pretty good

[grim moon]

I decided on the asus one

Better value for me at least

[white sequoia]

Gigabyte is a brand to avoid on psus tho

[gaunt bloom]

Gigabyte PSUs are great if you like the smell of magic smoke being released

[static pecan]

I like to live life on the edge

[grim moon]

I got a Corsair one already which looks cool and all

The only gigabyte thing that I own is the gpu which really was a gift from a friend

[smoky breach]

let me introduce you to the antec vp450

its not even rated for 80+ efficiency

[gaunt bloom]

just looking through the back, I can tell it's a chinese firecracker

[smoky breach]

lmao

if your not satisfied you can always get this

i like how they gave it a warranty

[gaunt bloom]

10,000 watts.

For like .01ms

[smoky breach]

lmao

[little rain]

In Brazil it costs 1200R$ (177 dollars in your country)

[smoky breach]

e

[crimson scroll]

loosen the timings lol

[queen violet]

Oh dear

Is that even with Anta extreme?

[smoky breach]

no

that takes too long

[queen violet]

….

Run Anta Absolute then

It’s 1hr 50 minutes for a 32gb kit

[rocky karma]

Amd best

Remember

[scenic junco]

That depends

[smoky breach]

depends

which cpu

[rocky karma]

With what

[scenic junco]

Blanket statements like that are kinda ridiculous, it all depends on what you need for specific tasks

[smoky breach]

my tfaw is at 36 tf am i supposed to do
its at 3600mhz cl18

ok ill just leave it for now

[queen violet]

Jeez

16tFAW or bust

[smoky breach]

im working with a trash cjr kit
rn everything except tfaw is on auto

turns out 36 wasnt stable

im gonna try something else

expectations

reality

[queen violet]

Enable BGs

It helps with Dr

[smoky breach]

ok

[queen violet]

Wait no BGS alt is already enabled that’s fine leave it off

[smoky breach]

bgs helps with single rank memory more right

[queen violet]

Probably play with ProcODT for better signal integrity for stability

[smoky breach]

ok

[queen violet]

Also why using 1.35v?

CJR can do 1.45v safe

1.4v is perfectly fine

[smoky breach]

reset cmos and everything got set to default

[queen violet]

Ahhh right

[smoky breach]

Would i need a fan to keep it cool at 1.45

[queen violet]

Not likely no

If it does struggle with temps reduce voltage to 1.4v

[still citrus]

what keyboard should i get

[crimson scroll]

preference

depends on your budget and what you like

[still citrus]

200 POND

pound

[devout wolf]

set tRCDWR as low as it can go

oh wait it's already unstable

tREFI window too short too

oh right, AMD

[smoky breach]

Yes

[scenic junco]

Just save some more and build a custom one

[opaque spire]

I'm having a weird Hard Drive issue, if anyone is able to help just ping me, I will explain more then.

[viscid creek]

1$ PC build core i9

Possible?

[native river]

Just loot the local bestbuy

[smoky breach]

Yes it is possible

[viscid creek]

o_o

Man!

[autumn sentinel]

k

[visual rune]

Hey

[storm yarrow]

hello, i wnated to build my first pc for around 1000 dollars, but i dont know how to build it or what components to use

i wolud be greatful if someone could help me

[smoky breach]

us dollars?

[storm yarrow]

i said it in us dollars, but im from poland myself

[crimson scroll]

English only

[deft pilot]

well what are you targeting for? Like a lot of storage or not that much storage but better competing in terms of gaming

Storage is a good use for work

[deft pilot]

@storm yarrow Alright so this would a good recommendation for gaming just that it goes a bit off budget and let me add this is addinitional note

So lets say you should wait a bit more since you can see off this that GPU are during the Bitcoin event overpriced

[crimson scroll]

Why a 3800x for gaming

The ram isn't great, that motherboard has bad vrms and would not be good with the 3800x, and the ssd is a bit overpriced

And the case looks like it has poor airflow

[deft pilot]

Its hard to come to a good conclusion with that budget

[white sequoia]

could get a 5600x for a similar price to that 3800x

and a better motherboard for that price too

[crimson scroll]

My point was that those parts are not good choices for the prices and what the purpose is

Like flare said, a 5600x or 12600k would be better for gaming

[smoky breach]

Do you think he should wait for the 12400f to release

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/scyDbh
For @storm yarrow but 12400f doesn't exist yet and GPU prices still broken

Also they nerfed sn550 so is mp33 or something decent

[storm yarrow]

@smoky breach so the cpu cooler u put in there isnt buyable in poland, can you replace it with something

[smoky breach]

Oh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b76vwz

Overkill cooler

[storm yarrow]

thanks

[white sequoia]

Give it fat noctua cooler lmao

[white sequoia]

6500xt is $200 msrp finally

[white sequoia]

Hooray

[raw marsh]

sheeesh

I desperately need storage too

[white sequoia]

Windows isnt finding it smh

Have to use wsl

[crimson scroll]

Oh hey me too

Can't even install it because I've got games running that need concurrent time :/

[white sequoia]

im trying to use it as external storage but windows wont see it

gonna try restart

[queen violet]

oh if its not boot drive its easy to fix

[crimson scroll]

It's supposed to compete with the 1650 which should be less than 1050ti price

[queen violet]

control panel

[crimson scroll]

And it definitely won't be 200

[queen violet]

system and security

create and format hard disk partitions

[white sequoia]

I did

[queen violet]

your ssd will probably look black

[white sequoia]

Its not there

[queen violet]

oh

is it plugged in with power and data?

[white sequoia]

Ye

Usb c

[queen violet]

usbc? oh it's an external drive

[white sequoia]

yes

[queen violet]

this?

[white sequoia]

ye

[queen violet]

thats not external

[white sequoia]

2tb version

[queen violet]

and it has no usb c

[white sequoia]

its in an enclosure

[queen violet]

try plug it in via these

[white sequoia]

cant

on laptop

no sata

only nvme

[queen violet]

ahhhh right

[white sequoia]

linux may work

[queen violet]

which enclosure is it?

[white sequoia]

UGreen

[vital herald]

I didnt know u could build ur own pc

[crimson scroll]

You can

[vital herald]

Ooh

[white sequoia]

its better than buying prebuilt

prebuilts are typically very bad quality

[raw marsh]

up for debate currently

but yeah

[vital herald]

Wait so if you buy a pc, you can choose to buy a pre-built or do PCs come only with parts?

[crimson scroll]

Depends

[vital herald]

Or do you need to buy different matterials

[crimson scroll]

There are individual parts you can buy

[white sequoia]

if u want a pc, you can buy parts to build it

[crimson scroll]

Or you can buy bundles

Some bundles come with everything you need

[white sequoia]

if you buy prebuilt, it comes prebuilt

[crimson scroll]

Some are barebones kits

[vital herald]

Ah

I might build one

Sounds fun

[white sequoia]

prebuilts from HP, Dell, etc, use proprietary parts that make them ewaste straight from the factory

[vital herald]

Oooh

[white sequoia]

there are plenty of guides out there

pcpartpicker is useful for planning and inspiration

oh yeah, laptops dont fall under the same catagory as prebuilts, they are actually high quality

and you cant really build your own

[crimson scroll]

Eeeeeh

[white sequoia]

well it obviously depends on the laptop

[crimson scroll]

High quality is very dependent on the model

I'd say in general there's more crappy laptops than good

[white sequoia]

yeah a $200 laptop will be worse than a $2000 one

[crimson scroll]

There are crappy laptops in every price range

[white sequoia]

ok, going into linux live environment now

Freaking secure boot on

Beautiful

Not showing up linux either...

[white sequoia]

good old fashioned unplug and replug fixed it

[rustic salmon]

👍

[white sequoia]

lesson learned: pc parts click

[smoky breach]

just get an m.2 enclosure

is that one?

[white sequoia]

For a 2.5 in sata ssd?

I got the sata ssd bc it was waaay cheaper than nvme

[smoky breach]

oh

[white sequoia]

I needed faster than hdd, but i was going to be going over usb anyways

[smoky breach]

ah ok

[white sequoia]

I may put a small linux partition on it bc why not

Installed 2 games and already lost 100gb

[smoky breach]

lol

[white sequoia]

Its all good, moved over entire steam library and its at 1.6tb remaining

[mortal crown]

My friend wants to sell me a pc he built for €80. All i want from you is to tell me how good it is.

Dm

[white sequoia]

Just list parts here

[mortal crown]

alrighty

i5 650
hd 5570
8gb ram

Thats all info i have

[white sequoia]

Oh god

I mean, it is 80

It is not very good

[mortal crown]

Im just gonna play gta v and roblox

And do coding

[static pecan]

Should be fine for Roblox all things considered but you'd have a really rough time with GTA V on that machine

[mortal crown]

I might upgrade it

[dusty peak]

I would take it in a heart beat. She might not be the best out there right now, but a little loving (and of course some money) you can add a lot of performance. First thing to find out is if there is a PCI-E slot, so that a graphics card can be added in the future. If it can, then you're on the right track for a very upgradeable system. Now you mentioned that is has an Intel i5 650. This same motherboard should be able to plug and play with a i7-870 off of eBay. This should net you roughly 40% more processing power for less than $30USD. Be sure that if you upgrade your processor, you upgrade cooling as well to tame the 95 Watts of thermal energy this processor will make. RAM should be an easy upgrade as well, just be sure you buy DDR3, and the i5-650 nor i7-870 will support more than 16Gb of RAM so don't bother. Other than that, before you add a graphics card, make sure your power supply can handle the extra watts. And that's pretty much all the advice I can give.

Also my brain completely discarded the fact that you said it had an ATI Radeon HD 5570. This is good, since it means you have a slot for a better graphics card. For your use case, I would probably recommend a 1050, if it is a low profile case, you may have to purchase a low profile card. Basically if you have any further questions, about upgrading, I'm sure I could help you with ideas and part lists.

[mortal crown]

Oh damn

[white sequoia]

I doubt an i7 1st gen meets gta V minimum reqs

Or maybe even roblox

[jade rapids]

in terms of i7s I recently upgraded a PC from a 4th gen because it was getting sluggish for everyday use. Worked just fine for games released 10-15 years ago (Civilizations, NFS Underground 2, etc) back when that processor was considered decent but for new stuff it would struggle on even medium-low settings.

If you're going to upgrade at all try and go for at least 7th-8th gen or newer, they're still not perfect for new stuff but they'll certainly run. I run 9th gen on my current rig and it's just fine for pretty much everything, mind you I don't play the newest stuff but I can still run heavier titles like the MCC at 1080p on High or Ultra (I never bothered with 4k screens).

[jade rapids]

what you need to ask yourself is whether or not the case, hard drive and (maybe) power supply are worth €80 to you, because chances are if you upgrade you'll pretty much be replacing everything else. GPU might hold out for a while but it's old enough you'll be wanting a new one pretty quick.

[dusty peak]

I did a quick check on a benchmark for the i7-870 on GTAV. You have to realize GTAV came out in September of 2013 and was meant to be played on the XBox360. With that said, the i7-870 totally kills the benchmark and with the benchmarkers 780ti on the test bench he was able to get a solid 75-80 FPS. Nothing ground breaking, but for a few hundred bucks, being able to get into pc gaming at all with the market right now is pretty compelling.

[dusty peak]

I get what you're saying about going with a newer gen CPU and this makes sense except for the part about holding off on the GPU. The integrated graphics (VEGA 11) on the Ryzen 3400G outperform the Radeon HD 5570 by an astounding 298%!! So if LCN was to get a new CPU AND Motherboard, he may as well get an AM4 board that is Gen 3 compatible and play on integrated graphics. Just leave out the GPU entirely until the market, or the wallet, are feeling a little better. ( no offense on the wallet thing, all of our wallets hurt from the gpu crisis )

[dusty peak]

Which by the way, I do have experience playing many games on an APU (Ryzen 3400G) and it is a fairly cheap way to get into PC Gaming. More demanding titles like Rust, I had to scale down to 720x1280 in order to get 40 FPS, but things like GTAV and Roblox should be easy easy

[jade rapids]

I meant that the GPU would work for gaming for a while, not that they should hold off on getting one. But I agree, integrated graphics on a newer cpu would probably outdo it pretty easily

[dusty peak]

That GPU will absolutely not enjoy GTAV

[jade rapids]

Probably not but better than nothing

[dusty peak]

Okay benchmarks in GTAV on the 5770 with an unknown CPU show FPS from 45-55. I mean its playable, but I wouldn't call it enjoyable.

But it is cheap, and cheap is nice.

Well I think no doubt if @mortal crown is looking for the absolute best price to performance, Buying the PC, a 30$ CPU, thermal paste, and a better cooler, is something capable of mild gaming and coding, for pretty dang cheap. I'd go for it.

[smoky breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/430056167977517057/915996378025574420/ifl2qlf5j3381.gif

[mortal crown]

Relatable

[smoky breach]

lmao

[acoustic mountain]

lol

[idle helm]

I got a new power supply for my PC buy I don't know how to put it in whatsoever

Can anybody help me at 4pm cst?

[mortal crown]

Watch youtube. Techsource or smth

[idle helm]

[smoky breach]

open up your pc and the power supply shroud
you can take old psu out by unscrewing the 4 screws here

[hidden quarry]

I see 8 screws

[storm yarrow]

Hi, if there is any polish person who can tell me if thats a good starting pc, i would be greatful

i could dm you, pls i need help

[idle helm]

I ended up smoking some weed and winged it

Very pleased

[noble oak]

hi

i'm looking for 4 pin rgb fan for the b450 tomahawk max II

for i can switch colors

on the pc

[smoky breach]

ok

[mortal crown]

@dusty peak @jade rapids
I got it

Just.. saying

If u wqnt to know more

[smoky breach]

what

tf

[smoky breach]

1. what price range
2. when are you buying the pc

i would recommend at least an 11400f/12400f when it releases, 16gb ram, and a gpu better than a 1050 ti

[noble oak]

a good pretty cheap gpu would be if you're able to get the new 3050 at msrp

what's that in usd

oh ok

yeah if you get 3050 at msrp that would work but it will be hard to get it at msrp

r5 3600x might work too in this price range I'm not the best at this stuff I'm just decent

[smoky breach]

ah
india

pc hardware is usually more expensive there
especially if its branded and good

[noble oak]

rip

[lunar valve]

.

[grim moon]

Quick question, the nzxt x53 says liquid cooler but it has fans?

Is it like AIO or just fan cooling but called liquid cooling

[old stratus]

it’s an aio

[grim moon]

so no extra components needed then

[old stratus]

naw everything you need is in the box

[grim moon]

alright thanks man 👍

[crimson scroll]

Liquid coolers have fans

[noble oak]

just upgraded to a rtx 3090

[static pecan]

Hot

[smoky breach]

Nice

In 8-9 months the 4090 will release and absolutely destroy it

[crimson scroll]

🤔

[raw marsh]

[white sequoia]

And in 2 years, the rtx 5090 will destroy that

[queen violet]

Tbf the leaks suggest it’ll be good

Considering where the 3090ti is, 64TFLOPS doesn’t even sound that unrealistic

It’s a 37% performance uplift

Not unrealistic

[smoky breach]

umm

ur meth is wrong

150% of 40 = 60

[queen violet]

40/64 = 0.625 or 62.5%

So 37.5%

Wait ur right lol

That would be 55 TFLOPS

Ya that’s 60%

Oops

[smoky breach]

E

[crimson scroll]

Don't put random stuff in channels they don't belong in please

[lilac patrol]

maybe someone know what is this thing?

i dont sure is this from pc

[warm urchin]

I/O expansion device

[lilac patrol]

thx mate

[smoky breach]

its the right chanel tho

[crimson scroll]

it's really not, it's not yours, you replied to my message with the intent of pinging me, now drop it

[smoky breach]

dropped ✅

[smoky breach]

lmao
dead chat

[queen violet]

Nobody needs help right now 🤷‍♂️

[sage nexus]

wel bc who buys a pc rn just before the 3050 drop, if you're luicky you might get one for msrp (if you go in person on lin e bots willf ya up)

[queen violet]

OML

DLDSR is amazing

[white sequoia]

May try it for bioshock

[smoky breach]

yes

pretty epic

rivals amd fsr

[cunning compass]

hi guys!

Building a pc with amd ryzen 5700G (integrated gpu) + gtx 1070
On which output should I plug my monitor?
Motherboard's or GPU? (it's actually working on motherboard and does not work on GPU, just want to make sure GPU output can go through hdmi motherboard)

[sage nexus]

if you have a dedicated gpu use the hmi plug on the gpu

[cunning compass]

how to make it work then?
When I plug on the 1070, nothing comes on screen.
I've an Odyssey G7 32", gsync compatible

Should I disable integrated GPU?

[sage nexus]

is the gpu detected when you have it plugged into the motherboard?

like you siad the integrated gpu works right?

open up your windows and go see if the 1070 shows up in your task manager$

[cunning compass]

The 1070 is detected, I can see it in the task manager

[sage nexus]

okay so that means the gpu isn't broken

you have no output att all when plugged into the gpu?

not even the bios and or boot screen?

[cunning compass]

Nothing. The problem is that my screen takes some times to display things so I might miss boot screen

[sage nexus]

and you are sure your gpu is plugged in with power right?

[cunning compass]

Pretty much yes, RGB is working on it, fans are running

[sage nexus]

what mb do you hjave and are you sure the pci port is working

[cunning compass]

It's a b550 mpg edge wifi from MSI

[sage nexus]

if your mb has another pci slot try that one and see if it isn't the pci slot that failed

if that isn't the case you can try disableling the integhared gpu but normally that shouldn't be the issue , mine worked just finez without disabling integrated gpu

[cunning compass]

I might try this you're right. I don't even need pcie4x as 1070 is gen3

[sage nexus]

okay just lmk bc disabling the integrated graphics might make it so nothing gives out resulting in having to reset you cmos battery

[cunning compass]

that's my fear, indeed

[sage nexus]

did the other pci slot work?

[cunning compass]

@sage nexus haven't try yet, tomorrow I'll try with an other monitor and if still not working, going for a pci slot swap

[sage nexus]

monitor shouldn't be the issue asuming tne integrated are fine

[cunning compass]

yeah but it's a "slow" monitor
It takes time to display things and I might be missing smthing at boot

[celest vector]

Good

[white sequoia]

Mash bios key until you see bios

[hollow thorn]

I’m also using a Ryzen 7 3600x

Is it good

[white sequoia]

Expensive fans but yeah

Gpu price soul crushing like always

That ram do be lookin fire tho. Great aesthetic

[smoky breach]

upgrade the cpu

[hollow thorn]

To what?

[smoky breach]

5900x

or 5800x3d

[queen violet]

No such thing as a Ryzen 7 3600x

Do you mean a r7 5800x, or r5 3600x?

[smoky breach]

Or a 3800x

3700x?

[white sequoia]

6969x

[grim moon]

Pc finally built, everything works other than the front fans and nzxt rgb, any advice?

[cunning compass]

pwm or dc fans?

[hollow thorn]

I think this

But what cpu should I use

[smoky breach]

get the 5800x3d when it comes out

[smoky breach]

damn

lets go

[queen violet]

Hmmm I dunno about that.

Not everything needs 96mb of L3 cache. So not everything will benefit.

[white sequoia]

Wait for 6969x

[static pecan]

What if I already have one 😳

[smoky breach]

5900x it is

[queen violet]

I meant 12th gen intel lol

Or wait for AM5

[noble oak]

nowhere near my best but

[smoky breach]

frik

[noble oak]

i did 160 100% 10 words

[smoky breach]

im not using all 10 fingers tho
sadge
i practice

[noble oak]

still not great but

[smoky breach]

arghorgoareharei

yes

[crimson scroll]

it's decent

[noble oak]

not something to be proud of

it's 10 words and no apostrophes

I got 180 on 10 words

[crimson scroll]

keep it to topics related to building pcs please

[heady rune]

s

Hi,The screen stayed like this for some reason, what is the solution?
[22:24]

[crimson scroll]

?

[weary raptor]

@past cargo ^

[raven obsidian]

hola

[static pecan]

Wrong channel. Try #archive-user-support

[thick glade]

a pc for 458.75 United States Dollar please?

[white sequoia]

Haha i wish

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pykpj2

Close i guess

[white sequoia]

Not very powerful tho

[scenic junco]

Get some good internet boys

[frank loom]

asymmetrical :/

[scenic junco]

Who cares

[frank loom]

full-fibre preferred

[scenic junco]

Its fast

Whatever you say

[frank loom]

it is for downloading

it's enough for some small streaming too

[eager breach]

I think you're overestimating the speed needed for streaming. YouTube recommends 9 Mbps maximum for 1080p60.

[frank loom]

I mean for normal streaming sure, if you do some kind of remote play with few players u need more

plus if u r someone like me that uploads a lot of files or streams multiple things either for work or hobby then that's not enough

tho I agree for most ppl 40Mbps is enough

and for normal streamers

[scenic junco]

It’s normally higher, Ive been able to upload half terabyte blender folders just fine

[astral hamlet]

what provider damn

[scenic junco]

Xfinity

So comcast

[cinder sage]

I still wonder why they limit upload that much

[pulsar fossil]

Like this? 😏

[pulsar fossil]

It's pretty normal, at least here in Denmark. Most people don't use upload all that much anyway so I guess it's a way to keep the prices down

[scenic junco]

Damn