#💻-building-a-pc

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crimson scroll
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if you get into a 5950x, it makes a big difference

idle bridge
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Or a 3090

crimson scroll
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also liquid coolers in general are better at handling bursty workloads

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like games

idle bridge
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Because more heat soak

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Also with an AIO you might have an easier time fitting 2-3 fans on there (Assuming you only put on one side)

crimson scroll
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what do you mean

idle bridge
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Most tower cooler usually only have space for 1 - 2 fans

crimson scroll
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you mean on the cooler?

idle bridge
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ye

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Some do fit some crazy amount like 3-4

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👀

crimson scroll
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show me a tower cooler that fits four fans

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also, yes, but it's not just the number of fans that matters

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and you can usually do push/pull for aios but you get diminishing returns

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with a tower cooler you could also mount more fans on the case itself

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doesn't necessarily mean better cooling

idle bridge
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yes

craggy sparrow
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Exactly like an o11 with 10 fans doesn’t mean it has amazing airflow

tidal anchor
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so basically my case is too small

crimson scroll
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better example is the abkoncore ramesses 780

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12 fans, no ventilation

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o11 does have ventilation for those fans to pull air

celest schooner
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@tidal anchor I don't know what your trying to do but from my own personal experience, that's what I can tell you

tidal anchor
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hmmm

idle bridge
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Not a fan of the uni fans

tidal anchor
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well its gonna be for gaming

idle bridge
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When r u guys expecting AMD Ryzen 7 5800x to launch?

crimson scroll
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?

idle bridge
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oops

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the uhh

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5700x

crimson scroll
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don't know

tidal anchor
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Hasnt it already

idle bridge
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No

crimson scroll
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the 5800x has, the 5700x hasn't

idle bridge
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We only got 5600x, 5800x, 5900x, and 5950x

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I made a typo

tidal anchor
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okay

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so a lot of people are telling me the 5600x is better value than the 3800x

idle bridge
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Depends on the workload

tidal anchor
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Yet the 3800x is faster has more cores

crimson scroll
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lol

idle bridge
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5600x will beat the 3800x in gaming

crimson scroll
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didn't i already explain this

idle bridge
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you did

crimson scroll
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also the 3800x is a bad value compared to the 3700x

idle bridge
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yep

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5800x is also bad value compared to 5900x, assuming they both are sold at MSRP

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For 100 USD more you get 4 more cores with faster boost clock

tidal anchor
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so is there a catch with the 5900x compared to the 3800x

idle bridge
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wdym

crimson scroll
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the "catch" is that it's expensive

tidal anchor
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the ryzen 9 correct?

crimson scroll
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there's multiple ryzen 9 cpus

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but yes, the 5900x is a ryzen 9 cpu

tidal anchor
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alright lemme check it out

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JESUS

crimson scroll
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did you ever mention your budget

tidal anchor
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if its under 2k ill take it

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hm

crimson scroll
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if you're just gaming, you don't need a 5900x

tidal anchor
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welllllll

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i also am gonna use this as a school computer

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so im gonna have a lot of projects on here

crimson scroll
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yeah...most school projects aren't very intensive

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what kind of projects

tidal anchor
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plenty of papers, slideshows projects

crimson scroll
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you can write papers on any modern processor

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same with powerpoint

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you don't need a 5900x for that

noble oak
crimson scroll
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it's like getting a lamborghini to drive from your house to the grocery store

somber lily
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I want a pc for 800€ and a rtx 2060 any recomendations?

crimson scroll
raw marsh
crimson scroll
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cheapest 3080 listed

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in his budget anyways

raw marsh
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Realistically it isn't the cheapest

crimson scroll
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sure

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but i didn't feel like setting a custom price for it

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evga ftw3 will set you back about 870 anyways

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it's not far off from the high end models

tidal anchor
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Jesus a 3080

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And you sure that's good cooling

crimson scroll
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you can buy more fans if you want

tidal anchor
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So what about the one I had before?

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With the corsair ones

crimson scroll
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the corsair what

tidal anchor
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Mhmm

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What about that cooler?

crimson scroll
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you could swap out the fuma 2 for that, sure

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seems kinda pricy though

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ek 360 or arctic 360 are probably better performers for cheaper

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and a 5600x doesn't really need liquid cooling

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if you want the aesthetics, go for it

tidal anchor
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Hmmmm

raw marsh
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Arctic is meant to provide the best cooling solution for ryzen

tidal anchor
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Really?

raw marsh
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yes

crimson scroll
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?

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what is that supposed to mean

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sounds like a marketing statement from arctic

raw marsh
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Would you prefer i word it differently?

tidal anchor
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No offense but I got a hard time believing that

crimson scroll
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i mean, i'd like to know what you mean

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do you mean arctic's goal is to provide the best possible cooling?

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or do you mean arctic does provide the best possible cooling

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and what defines best cooling solution

raw marsh
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No, but it has the best results for at least the 5600x

crimson scroll
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for noise normalized, sure

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if we're talking about the liquid freezer ii 360

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but also it's expensive compared to something like the fuma 2

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and your gains will be marginal

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so in terms of price/performance for a low power part like the 5600x, it's not the best

raw marsh
crimson scroll
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yes

tidal anchor
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If it's below 2k then ur good

crimson scroll
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my point is to your statement that it has the best results for the 5600x

raw marsh
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Then its just his choice wether he wants an AIO or air cooler

crimson scroll
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yes, which i already said

raw marsh
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Sure, ok

tidal anchor
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Damn I forgot what a A1O is I'm sure when I learn what it is I'll remember

crimson scroll
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all in one

tidal anchor
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All in one?

raw marsh
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liquid cooler for the CPU

tidal anchor
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Ah

raw marsh
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Hmm my motherboard arrived without a delivery box

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That's cool

inland badger
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nani?

tall cove
inland badger
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what am i looking at here ret

crimson scroll
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a $5000 part

inland badger
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it just looks like sheet metal. and youre telling me its 5k?

crimson scroll
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it retailed for that much

inland badger
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what even is it

crimson scroll
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quadro k6000

inland badger
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researching brb

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oh.

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oh.

crimson scroll
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it's a workstation card

inland badger
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beginner pc user here, whats that mean

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like 3d rendering?

crimson scroll
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yeah

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generally workstation cards will have more vram (memory) and specialized cores

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so the gaming performance isn't great compared to normal consumer gaming cards

inland badger
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ahhh okay thank you for explaining

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you said workstation card and caveman brain kicked in

devout wolf
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the a6000 looks beautiful

crimson scroll
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looks like it has terrible cooling

raw marsh
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Haven't they learned to drop the blower design

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Its basically a box

crimson scroll
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this is not that bright

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this is max brightness

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@minor verge

little quiver
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I really dont know where to put this, but I think you people would find this funny

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"smells like Nvidia"

little quiver
crimson scroll
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for a budget build? it's alright

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real bad deal on that ram

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crappy psu

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probably better off getting an old optiplex + 1050ti

inland badger
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im thinking of getting a new keyboard, preferably a 60%. and i was kind of eyeing the ducky one 2 mini cherry mx red. thoughts?

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nvm, saving up for the mecha mini, cherry mx reds

sinful cypress
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Does anyone know a good cheap pc build

crimson scroll
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define cheap

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for what purpose?

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and what region

little quiver
crimson scroll
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you need to link the actual list

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you linked the default editor link

little quiver
crimson scroll
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that memory is slow

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gt1030 is....not good and the a400 has a bad controller

little quiver
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or graphics cards

crimson scroll
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the oloy 3200cl16 is $62

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and a 3200g/3400g would beat out the gt1030

cerulean drift
crimson scroll
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i would recommend taking a screenshot

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it'll be much easier to read

cerulean drift
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Intel core i7 10700
Rtx 2060

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Is it good?

crimson scroll
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depends on the price

cerulean drift
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1399

crimson scroll
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ehh

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not really

raw marsh
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Thats just a GT 730

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Not especially good

little quiver
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any other suggestion? I have a friend who wants a really cheap but still tolerable pc and im not sure about the gpu

raw marsh
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Bets idea might be to keep checking local sellers and marketplaces for a good deal on a 1060 or something similar at a good used price.

crimson scroll
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or again, go the APU route

raw marsh
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Thats definately more price effective if he just wants to play CS, valorant or something similar

digital light
stuck gate
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yo

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does someone wanna rate my rig

bold drum
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Guys this is the friend I was talking about

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Give them your parts

stuck gate
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ok give me a min

idle bridge
pulsar jewel
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i am still missing most of the parts

raw marsh
prime thicket
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I really hope not 😂

safe pebble
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that would be kinda big sad moment

wind minnow
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that would be bruh af

stuck gate
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rip me

bold drum
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i forgot to tell you about unactivated version frick

little quiver
idle bridge
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The f in the i5-10400f means no integrated graphics, but your pc doesn't really get much use out of it and it's 20 bucks cheaper, I chose not to change the mobo cause I assume you looked through the specs and compared it, I changed the SSD to a WD blue 500gb M.2.

The PSU is way over spec, but I left it in assuming you might upgrade in the future. You will also need fans and a CPU cooler

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All in all it's about 60 USD cheaper with the same performance

raw marsh
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Don't pay $300 for a damn 1050ti by any means

idle bridge
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oh lmao I first saw that now 2 sec

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You can actually get an RTX 3060 ti for 400 dollars

raw marsh
idle bridge
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at best buy

raw marsh
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But ideally you should be able to

raw marsh
idle bridge
raw marsh
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Im in the UK so i don't know, but over here you really wouldn't

idle bridge
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400 dollars for an RTX 3060 ti when they drop

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the 3060 ti has roughly the performance of an RTX 2080 super, while the 1050 ti is uh

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Oh bruh the 3060 ti is about 4 times better then 1050 ti at only a bit higher cost

idle bridge
tall cove
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The issue is just the market rn

idle bridge
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tru

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😳 Stock checker bots on youtube

tall cove
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Like every gpu is through the roof

idle bridge
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*except at best buy

tall cove
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I just used the Newegg shuffle and it arrives on the second

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but now i need a new psu and stuff to the point where i wanna just do a new build

idle bridge
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rip

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The only thing I can recommend over spec'ing often is the PSU

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It's literally the one item where the performance wont change over time (by much, they do degrade a bit), compared to a GPU where games become more demanding, and for CPUs to push higher framerates.

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it's like, use 20 extra usd for a 750 watt psu now, save maybe 120 usd later if you had bought an underspeced PSU

tall cove
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yeah imma be jumping from a 500w to a 750 because of that

idle bridge
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or 800 watt

tall cove
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yeah

idle bridge
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once you got above 800 watts price just kinda goes brr

tall cove
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yeah thats why i was looking at Rosewill or Evga 750 fully modulars so i can also cut down on the cables i have in my basement, because a nonmodular hurts sometimes

idle bridge
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it do be like that

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semi-modular also prevents you from using custom sleeved cables

tall cove
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I have customs on top of the nonmodular, and id still probably use them in the new build

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if i go that route

little quiver
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thanks kappaberia

idle bridge
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np

raw marsh
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Could be an issue of surge protection with your power supply?

wind minnow
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yeah most likely it is the psu

idle bridge
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I would guess the PSU too at as glance, but it might be instability if you have something overclocked

bold drum
crimson scroll
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badly mismatched cpu and mobo

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expensive ssd, expensive gpu, don't need to buy windows

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4000d has better airflow

bold drum
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This is my friends parts I don’t think he actually got the stuff online he went to micro center to get them

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But what could happen if you mismatch cpu and mobo?

crimson scroll
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i mean, nothing

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it's just a really expensive motherboard compared to the cpu

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if there's a specific use case for it maybe

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but i'd bet the b550a-pro would be just fine for their needs

bold drum
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He’s just gaming at the moment

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I’m surprised tho he went to a micro center where a professional helped him wouldn’t they know these kind of things?

crimson scroll
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it also depends on the availability at microcenter

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and what exactly he told them

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and also they might try to upsell

bold drum
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True

crimson scroll
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and also since you said he didn't buy online

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he got a $20 combo deal on the cpu and mobo from mc

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so i don't know what the prices are

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hard to judge

bold drum
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So he already got the parts should he sell them?

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And get better parts

crimson scroll
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uh

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i can't really answer that

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is he happy with the performance?

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also you're generally not going to make a profit off of selling parts

bold drum
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I think he is because he is a casual gamer

crimson scroll
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then don't sell

bold drum
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But if he sells the parts he can save money can’t he?

crimson scroll
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that would again depend on what prices he bought the parts for

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you haven't given enough information to make a decision on that

idle bridge
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Also GPU is WAYYY to overpriced, might as well splurgle an extra 10 dollars and get the RTX 3060 TI at best buy when they drop stock

crimson scroll
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they already said their friend bought stuff at microcenter so we don't know any of the prices

idle bridge
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bruh

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I would estimate that you save around 200 USD with better performance

bold drum
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Just curious are tech usually out of stock a lot or is this just COVID I think usually when I went to micro center stock was pretty good

crimson scroll
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it's a combination of a lot of things

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covid is one of the factors for sure

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a lot of them are connected too

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stuck at home? need computer parts

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shipping, manufacturing, other logistics? halted due to less consumer flights

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mining boom? probably also related to covid

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tariffs? not super related

bold drum
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I’d say natural resources is one thing yeah cuz if you can’t get the materials you can’t make the parts

idle bridge
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Nah, it's just a question of mining it, getting it shipped, treated, made into chips, assembled, shipped to stores and sold

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Then if something goes wrong along that process, it's gonna slow things down.

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Got a power outage? Yeah that's a whole batch of chips that's gonna be gone

crimson scroll
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it's not about the natural resources right now

idle bridge
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I know

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Rn it's production and high demand

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Not enough supply being produced coupled with high demand creates low accessibility. It's literally just low supply, high demand, higher prices.

bold drum
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Can I ask things about TVs and hdr here?

crimson scroll
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sure

bold drum
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Ok first question is that hdr at the moment only works with 4K right?

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Or 4K tvs

crimson scroll
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no

bold drum
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Oh alright so next thing is on my 4K TV hdr never turns on for anything

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For movies or games no matter what it is

crimson scroll
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on windows?

bold drum
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Well for gaming it’s windows but when I’m using my fire tv hdr doesn’t work for most movies

crimson scroll
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i'd go look at the tv manufacturer manual

bold drum
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Oh ok

crimson scroll
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in windows make sure it's enabled in the settings

prime thicket
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Can someone help me, when my friend was originally testing my pc, he was getting 39 Celsius on cyberpunk and I am getting 59 celcius when I'm just on the desktop...?

raw marsh
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CPU or GPU? Either way those are great temps

static pecan
vale orchid
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sorry

prime thicket
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it's dropping right now

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it's low 40's high 30's

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just in the menu of cyberpunk though it's at 72 right now

idle bridge
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what are your pc specs?

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And are you running any background tasks

prime thicket
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Ryzen 7 5800x
32gb 3200mhz DDR4 ram,
Rtx 3080

Samsung crg9 (5120x1440)

And only discord and the normal Corsair icue, nzxt cam and stuff

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Cyberpunk is also not taking up my whole monitor for some reason

idle bridge
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Alright I just took a look, did you ask your friend if he tested the pc with the sidepanel on or off.

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Make sure your AIO is blowing out, other fans should be blowing in

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for good airflow

prime thicket
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yeah they are

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and I'm asking him now

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idk why cyberpunk isn't taking up my whole monitor though

idle bridge
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Might be a settings issue

prime thicket
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Ignore the mess lmao

idle bridge
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Go into video settings and see if there are any aspect ratio settings

prime thicket
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There isn't

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Only resolution

idle bridge
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hmm

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Change the resolution

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To the resolution of your screen

prime thicket
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The resolution is set to the resolution of my monitor

idle bridge
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Then try launching the game

prime thicket
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I have tried relaunching

idle bridge
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Sometimes games just have their cutscenes or menu be in default 16:9, but the actual game runs at native resolution

prime thicket
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Oh

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I'll try that

idle bridge
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oh lmao I just looked it up

prime thicket
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Yeah its gone to 32:9 now

idle bridge
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Also, make sure you have the newest Nvidia drivers and cyberpunk version

idle bridge
prime thicket
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I should do considering this pc is literally brand new lmao

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temps went up to like 75 though idk if that's alright

idle bridge
prime thicket
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hm

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I don't think the fan curve is actually working

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my fans have not changed

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probs cause my fans aren't plugged into the aio

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idk how to change them then

idle bridge
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Kinda a wierd fan curve

prime thicket
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well it wouldn't do anything either cause I assume that would control the fan curve for the aio which nothing is plugged into

idle bridge
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Thing is it's kinda low all the way from 20 to 45, until it just spikes

raw marsh
prime thicket
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the aio itself has fan headers coming off the pump

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which I have nothing plugged into cause I have controllers

brittle parrot
stuck bluff
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Looks like a Samsung CHG90

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Nvm it's crg9

stuck bluff
brittle parrot
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Oh dam

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time to drop a load of money on a monitor I guess

noble oak
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samsung monitors are very infamous

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even the g9s recived much critisisegihosighiorshdiogh

little quiver
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ye

prime thicket
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critisisegihosighiorshdiogh

craggy sparrow
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You gud?

hallow falcon
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I have a question about updating bios

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I want to use a Ryzen 7 5800x, with an MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk ATX AM4 mobo, but would it work?

crimson scroll
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may need a bios update

hallow falcon
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Once it has a bios update it’s good to go?

crimson scroll
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may need multiple

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sometimes there are intermediary bioses

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but yes

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once you're on a bios version that supports zen 3, you're good

hallow falcon
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Okie, thanks

digital light
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Yo so ima be getting a pc in the next few months well building one actually but i wanna know if the parts will work together

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This is my list
AMD ryzen 5 3600 (CPU)
Gigabyte radeon RX 570 4gb (GPU)
ASUS ROG Strix B450-F II (Motherboard)
Corsair 4000D Airflow (CASE)
32 gb Corsair VENGEANCE RGB PRO DDR4 3600 (RAM)
Samsung 970 EVO SSD 1tb (SSD)
4gb seagate IronWolf HDD  (HDD)
Corsair RM650x 650 watt 80+ gold (PSU)
Corsair H115i AIO liquid cpu cooler (Cpu Cooler)
Corsair LL120 120mm rgb fan (FAN)

crimson scroll
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sure

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seems a bit...imbalanced though

digital light
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Wdym

crimson scroll
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what are you using the computer for

digital light
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Gaming

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Mostly

crimson scroll
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32gb ram seems excessive

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bit overboard on the cooling for the cpu

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money saved could go towards a better gpu

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i also assume you mean a 4tb ironwolf

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no need for those, just use a barracuda

digital light
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I will probably overclock it too

crimson scroll
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sure but you could spend $60 or less on your cpu cooler and be perfectly fine

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i have a scythe fuma 2 on my 5600x and it cools it just fine, very quiet

digital light
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Ok

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I will go back and try to find the stuff

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But will they all work

crimson scroll
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sure

digital light
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There wont be any issues with the case or motherboard

crimson scroll
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nah

astral belfry
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what power supply do i need for an rtx 2060 super and an intel i7 9700F?

crimson scroll
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i'd say around 200w for both

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so bare minimum, 450w psu

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non-OC probably 400 is doable

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550+ is good, 700 will give you headroom for upgrades to an overclockable CPU and more power hungry gpu

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in terms of logical upgrades, that is

astral belfry
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honestly been thinking of upgrading to a better graphics card but i think ima hold off since everyone is gonna literally kill for a 30 series rtx

tender turtle
crimson scroll
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not really sure how that image is relevant

astral belfry
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oh yea btw

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thinking of upgrading to corsair vengeance lpx ram cuz my ram sticks r bare pcb

crimson scroll
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ehhh

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there's likely a better choice for either same price, better perf or same perf, better price

astral belfry
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hmmm

crimson scroll
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also bare pcb is not bad

astral belfry
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been trying to find good ones but they're either out of stock or just way too overpriced

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i went to best buy yesterday and there was 8 gig ram sticks for like 119

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like at 2000 mghz

crimson scroll
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best buy is....not a good place to buy most computer parts, most of the time

astral belfry
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i tried tho

crimson scroll
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right now it's decent for gpus and cpus

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but only because they have stock at msrp

astral belfry
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yea true

crimson scroll
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what's your budget?

astral belfry
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for my ram?

crimson scroll
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and what's your current set

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yes

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also what's the rest of your system

astral belfry
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i can probably go 120 the highest

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my current set issss

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wait i cant see it hold up

crimson scroll
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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BxTzK8/crucial-ballistix-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-bl2k8g32c16u4b this is the best price/perf ram right now, you can usually get it to 3600cl16 no problem and it's cheap. My go to recommendation for anybody who's just gaming and doesn't need 32gb, and has the capability of running xmp values. If you're on a locked motherboard that can't hit higher frequencies, it's still worth getting imo for future upgrades because anything you have now likely isn't bad enough on the locked mobo to justify an incremental upgrade

astral belfry
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uh theres no brand name but its 16gb of DDR4 running at 2666 mhz

crimson scroll
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what cpu and motherboard

astral belfry
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intel i7 9700F

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my speccy is taking forever ;-;

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mother board is ASRock B365M IB-R

crimson scroll
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yeah, no point in getting an incremental upgrade then

astral belfry
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faq my ram stick fell out i didnt push it in all the way

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there i fixed it

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oh yea also

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i heard apparently

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u can use compressed air to clean ur pc??

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apparently u can get it in cans

crimson scroll
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sure

astral belfry
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I mean I guess it’ll work

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My only worry is that the dust will just everywhere

crimson scroll
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so plan before you use it

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you want to use compressed air on hard to reach crevices

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and just wipe everything else down

astral belfry
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Ohh ok tank u

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Also last one

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How do I clean the tempered glass panels on the case

crimson scroll
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microfiber cloth

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if it's cleaning pc stuff, 90% chance you use a microfiber cloth

astral belfry
#

Okie tank u

crimson scroll
#

the other 10% is comprised of IPA and compressed air

astral belfry
#

ohh okie

idle bridge
#

Yep. I have several microfiber cloths, some for my glasses and some for giving my pc a wipe. It works wonders if you just dampen the cloths and do a sweep. We also have an air compressor in our basement, that I can use, you can also buy cans or use damp q-tips for some places

raw marsh
astral belfry
#

In what places?

#

*specifically I meant

raw marsh
#

By the intake fans usually

idle bridge
#

Mainly at intake

#

Filter your intake and low pressure areas where air gets sucked in

astral belfry
#

Okie

lean quarry
#

Hey guys i am looking for a pre built for my friend around the €400 euro’s it needs to do the basic shit and maybe play some games like farming and fortnite

digital light
#

Unless they want a school computer then i would say thet need a higher budget lol

idle bridge
#

It's gonna be tough playing on a 400 euro pc

#

(I know it, I am doing it right now)

little quiver
raw marsh
#

That'll make it cheaper, no need to throw that money away

devout wolf
#

no point spending so much on ram that wont even run at that speed

#

that ssd is also approaching 1tb prices

#

ouch the 1050ti

lean quarry
#

He Rafee dont judge the 1050ti your hurting his feelings(btw he is in this pc that im using)

devout wolf
#

i'm not judging the 1050ti itself

#

but paying $175 for one today? bruh

crimson scroll
#

also adata is being scummy and changing the controllers in their sx8200 drives to worse ones

devout wolf
#

yup

crimson scroll
#

realistically you won't really notice, but it's a bad thing to do

devout wolf
#

to the same ones in the non-pros

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so they're pretty much the same drives

little quiver
devout wolf
#

well uh

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the market's very dead

little quiver
#

which is why i just put the 1050ti on there

#

what storage should I use instead of the adata one

devout wolf
#

i edited the list

devout wolf
craggy sparrow
#

You don’t need to buy windows because you can get it for free

lean quarry
#

Hey guys how much will a prebuilt cost for the basic stuff and games like farming and fortnite

raw marsh
#

You can search for what spec you want, but i cant recommend a prebuilt

little quiver
#

yeah pre-builts aren't as good

#

you will have to pay more on a pre-built

raw marsh
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brittle parrot
#

they still charge you way more

lean quarry
#

Would €500 work for a pre built?

marble talon
#

You can configurate your PC before buying it

crimson scroll
#

right now is a good time to boycott nzxt

#

especially the h1

lean quarry
#

Ye but the price starts at €699

#

I need something around €500

static pecan
#

If you're trying to get a PC mainly for gaming, the best thing to do is save up more money so you're not as restricted in what you can get. Any "gaming" PC below about $700-$800 generally isn't really worth it in the long term.

idle bridge
#

+1

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1000 USD is the best perf per dollar

#

(Close to that, it is always changing)

static pecan
#

True, but if we're talking about just starter setups I generally wouldn't go below about 700-750

#

At that point you start having to compromise and sacrifice a lot of stuff to keep the price down

idle bridge
#

Yep

#

Lemme see if I can fix up something that is 10/10 performance pr dollar, or at least close enough

static pecan
#

My first PC was about $600 and it was fine for the kinds of games I played back then but I still definitely made too many compromises on stuff for the sake of a low price. I moved to a $750 gaming laptop when I started college and it was insanely faster in every way compared to my original desktop build lol

raw marsh
static pecan
#

Obviously we're assuming prices and the market in general is "normal" and not the absolute shit show it is now

#

If you're trying to get a PC now honestly your best bet is just buying a pre-built because at least you'll be able to actually get those parts. You'll just have to pay a hefty premium to get one that's actually decent and doesn't skim or overlook certain things or make dumb compromises in certain areas

crimson scroll
#

the laptop was probably also newer

#

pound for pound, laptops are worse for price/performance

#

you just don't have the thermal room

idle bridge
raw marsh
#

Not in the US

static pecan
#

@crimson scroll correct, I was mostly just using those as examples of "Yeah I have first hand experience of using cheap stuff for a long time so take my advice." I wasn't saying the laptop is the greatest computer ever or anything and I definitely was not recommending a gaming laptop or anything

crimson scroll
#

well the comparison you made is between the laptop and the desktop, with the laptop being much better

#

but the amount you need to spend to get a decent gaming laptop is higher than for a decent gaming desktop

#

so from the info i have i would say the only applicable factor is just the fact that the laptop is newer, not the amount spent

idle bridge
static pecan
#

Best Buy actually has been decent about 30 series drops at MSRP in the US as far as I know, at least they were when I was watching stock update streams trying to get a GPU like 2 months ago lol

crimson scroll
#

and cpus

#

got my 5600x from them

static pecan
#

I miraculously managed to get a 5900X in November from a Newegg bundle drop with the exact mobo I was planning to get anyway. Still not sure how I ended up so lucky with that

idle bridge
#

Really puts the "best" in best buy lol

static pecan
#

That's what I figured, just haven't been keeping up with it after I managed to snag a 5700XT to finish off my new build

#

Also yeah, kinda funny how Best Buy has basically become the best place to buy new stuff for all these launches lol

idle bridge
#

Ngl 5800x kinda bruh value, would have been better had it been 50 dollars or so lower

#

5600x and 5900x best value CPUs for gaming rn

#

In the AMD lineup

static pecan
#

I almost snagged a 6800XT from a Best Buy drop, but wasn't able to get to checkout with it because none of the stores in Alabama actually had any

idle bridge
#

RIP

static pecan
#

Big RIP

idle bridge
#

Can't wait to see the next GPU linesups from AMD and Nvidia, maybe even Intel

#

Intel is kinda like, "Ok this is a GPU and it can do about what you would expect"

crimson scroll
#

5900x is also...not a good value cpu for gaming

idle bridge
crimson scroll
#

it's good if you need it for multicore tasks

#

AND also want to game

#

but nearly everybody who just wants to game will find the 5600x a much better value

#

sure, compared to the 5800x and 5950x, but it's still 250 more than the 5600x

static pecan
#

Yeah I use my 5900X mainly for professional editing work for my job + a media production class I'm taking this semester for college

#

If all I was doing was gaming and just basic Office work I would've gotten the 5600X

idle bridge
#

Yep

#

Like, 5900x is a bit over the top for just gaming

#

Most games can only utilise 6 cores or so

crimson scroll
#

actually, the 5800x is still a better value than the 5900x for gaming

#

the order for zen 3 goes in order of msrp

#

because they're so close in performance

idle bridge
#

for 100 dollars more you get, is it 4 more cores and slightly faster boost clock, so it's pretty close

crimson scroll
#

the reason the 5800x in general is not a good price/perf compared to the others is just because of multicore performance in other workloads

#

anyways, if you really want price/perf, you go intel

#

for just games, the 10400f/10600k are way cheaper

#

if you need cores, the 9700k has been on sale

idle bridge
#

+1

proven ibex
#

i have 2mb of ram will this be enough

#

i am building a computer for my grandson

crimson scroll
#

show me where you found 2mb of ram lol

proven ibex
#

my old computer\

crimson scroll
#

sounds like a troll to me

proven ibex
#

yes im just playing lmfao

#

how much ram should i actually get tho

crimson scroll
#

depends on what you're doing

proven ibex
#

mfs2020

idle bridge
#

Can you stop trying to be funny?

proven ibex
#

bruh chill

crimson scroll
#

if you use a lot of addins, 32gb

#

noah's right though

#

the trolling doesn't belong in this chat

proven ibex
#

i wasted literally 15s of ur life jesus

crimson scroll
#

Everybody only thinks of themselves

#

You do it, Bob does it, xyz does it, it adds up

#

Also it clutters the chat

static pecan
#

Yeah it do be pretty annoying tho

idle bridge
#

15 seconds I will never get back ;-;

idle bridge
#

Something like 8-32 gb of ram is the norm, dependending on what you do

crimson scroll
#

he's talking about microsoft flight sim 2020

static pecan
#

16 is plenty for the vast majority of people, especially if your main use for your PC is gaming

idle bridge
#

For gaming I recommend 16 gb 3200 or 3600 mhz CL16 Ram, depending on your budget

crimson scroll
#

you guys aren't reading

static pecan
#

Oop

idle bridge
#

Oh didn't see the part where he mentioned flight sim

crimson scroll
#

MFS 2020 can use more than 16 depending on what you add on and what else you have open

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so 32 wouldn't be unreasonable depending on how invested you are

static pecan
#

In that case yeah, definitely 32 for that. I don't see it abbreviated that often lol

idle bridge
#

Same

#

Yeah flight sim is pretty intense, together with Cyberpunk it's basically the new Crysis lol

#

Tho a lot of it also depends on your settings

crimson scroll
#

they're gone anyways lol

idle bridge
#

bruh

static pecan
#

Lmao ok then

#

I guess joining Discord servers to ask a question google could answer in literally 5 seconds is a thing people do now?

crimson scroll
#

or just to troll

#

anyways, i would like for 32gb to become the standard so prices go down

static pecan
#

Yeah 32 is definitely nice to have in this PC. Not just for work stuff, but some the games that I have heavily modded use upwards of 14-15GB while I'm playing so it's nice to just not have to worry about it

lean quarry
crimson scroll
#

you're going to want to upgrade the ram

#

doesn't say what kind of ssd, hopefully not a wd green

#

it's...okay

lean quarry
#

Aight you have any beter one maybe?

crimson scroll
#

i don't know any retailers there, sorry

lean quarry
#

No problem

glacial nexus
#

kreek

crimson scroll
#

very constructive, thanks

glacial nexus
#

💩

supple lily
#

Intel Core i5-10400F
ASRock H410M-HVS Micro-ATX
Klevv Value Series DDR4 2666 MHz 8GB (8GB x 1) [x2]
ASUS DUAL-RTX3070-O8G RTX 3070 8GB OC Edition
Xigmatek Hydra M 650w 80Plus Bronze
Sharkoon SK3 RGB ATX Case
DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GTE V2 White

#

is this gonna work?

crimson scroll
#

seems a bit imbalanced but "work", sure, all the parts are compatible

#

only possible issue is if the case is too small for the gpu

supple lily
#

ok thanks

#

but does it has bottleneck or what

crimson scroll
#

depends on the res

#

but i'd say yes

supple lily
#

on which part?

crimson scroll
#

the cpu and motherboard

supple lily
#

oh

#

what if i change the gpu to 3060ti?

crimson scroll
#

yeah

#

still a bit but price wise would also make more sense imo

supple lily
#

alright

#

thx m8

raw marsh
paper swift
#

Ryzen 5 3500
msi geforce gtx1650 super gaming x 4gb gddr6
msi b450m mortar max
seagate barracuda 1 tb hdd
crucial bx500 128gb ssd
corsair cv550
msi mag forge 100r
are they compatible with each other?

idle bridge
#

I don't see any issues

molten elm
#

yeah its good

gilded frost
#

Well not a good pairing, but they’re compatible

idle bridge
paper swift
#

ok thx

paper swift
raw marsh
paper swift
#

ok thx

noble oak
#

Is my pc good for gaming? i am more a simulator gamer like (msfs2020 ets2 asseto corsa) etc!

Specs:
Msi rtx 2060 gaming z
Ryzen 7 2700x
Samsung 970 evo pro ssd 500gb
2000gb hdd
MSI Mag B550
650 watt feeding

Idk know if my pc is good for heavy games!?

#

@lean quarry Also dutch 😉

wicked aspen
#

i have a dell vostro 220

raw marsh
#

That and the CPU means its not optimal for anything heavy like MSFS

#

Although it's definitely for 1080p

lean quarry
#

He @noble oak nice

noble oak
#

🔥🔥🔥

craggy jasper
#

@crimson scroll how are you?

noble oak
#

hi

noble oak
#

@raw marsh Alright! Thank you very much for your response.

feral sierra
#

here is my play toy

#

and i'm also dutch

#

and A RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GIG

#

and yes you see it good i have 20.6 terra on hard drive space on it

#

the monitors i juse are a 32inch samsung on top .. a 49 inch ultra wide screen from samsung 144mhz and next to me a 55 inch full 4k sony tv

feral sierra
#

😉

vivid glacier
#

nice

noble oak
#

@feral sierra u shud put u setup in setup wars on techsorce ngl

languid hatch
#

where did you get that background software

supple birch
languid hatch
undone hatch
echo tide
#

Hi there I have a question how I should mount my aio 280 mm can someone help me?

devout wolf
#

what aio and case do you have

crimson scroll
languid hatch
#

what graphics card should i get

crimson scroll
#

depends on your use case and budget

raw marsh
sacred crescent
raw marsh
#

And a lot of cleaning up, very crowded

sacred crescent
#

but could still go pretty far

raw marsh
#

Not to say it isnt still a good setup

echo tide
#

@devout wolf 4000 x rgb h115i elite CAPELLIX

tall cove
#

cant use it til i get a new psu but

#

ta da

raw marsh
crimson scroll
#

does it have the red border or the black border on the side of the card

#

that's the real important question

astral belfry
#

lmao

#

the other day i caught my friend looking at fake 3060 cards

#

glad i stopped him cuz he was gonna actually gonna fall for it

raw marsh
crimson scroll
#

i know but that's a hassle

tall cove
#

I opened and checked

#

It doesn’t have the clown lips

raw marsh
#

What did you pay for it?

tall cove
#

699$ + tax

#

So around 750$

raw marsh
#

Yikes

tall cove
#

But I got it msrp so it’s basically a unicorn

craggy sparrow
#

My 3070 arrived today

tall cove
#

Or at least that’s the msrp for that model of card

raw marsh
#

My 3070 cost £640 but UK prices differ from US

craggy sparrow
#

I’ve been waiting over 4 months since I ordered

tall cove
#

Well all I know is that I told my mom I’m gonna do a new pc build with it

#

And I’m not dead yet so

#

Yay

crimson scroll
#

buy first, ask forgiveness later?

tall cove
#

Kinda

#

I would need a new cpu, psu, mb, and probably ram

#

And at that point I might as well do a whole new build and leave the old one to sell as a build

craggy sparrow
#

Yeah

tall cove
#

Micro center has a bundle for a i7 10700k and a msi z490 which is probably what I’ll do

raw marsh
#

A 10700k? That doesn't sound so hot

raw marsh
#

You'd be better off with a 5600x, it's definitely the midrange king

tall cove
#

Good luck with me trying to find one

#

Plus I’m going intel and nvidia

raw marsh
#

They're in stock most places in the UK

crimson scroll
#

he's not in the UK

tall cove
#

I am American man lol

raw marsh
#

Perhaps not where you are then

crimson scroll
#

anyways, you can get 5600x at best buy

raw marsh
#

Yes I figured

tall cove
#

Ehhhhhhh

#

Hold on

crimson scroll
#

they drop every so often

tall cove
#

Hmmmm

crimson scroll
#

if you want to save money, then there are some decent deals on intel parts

tall cove
#

Yeah that’s what I’ve been seeing

crimson scroll
#

I saw the 10700k for $320

#

2 more cores than the 5600x, if you need them for productivity, it's a better buy

#

admittedly no stock cooler but ehh

tall cove
#

MC has the 10700k for 299$ and I’ll get it bundled or something

crimson scroll
#

good deal

idle bridge
#

Considering that the MSRP for the 10700k was like, 375 dollas, + it's a bundle it sounds good

tall cove
#

Bundled it’s 449

idle bridge
#

What else is in the bundle?

tall cove
#

msi z490

idle bridge
#

sounds good

mystic ginkgo
#

What’s an average cpu and gpu because I need better ones as my pc can’t run valorant very well :/

tall cove
#

What do you have rn?

mystic ginkgo
#

I have a intel core i5

#

I’m not sure about my gpu

tall cove
#

prebuilt?

mystic ginkgo
#

No it’s custom

tall cove
#

can you check task manager and lmk

mystic ginkgo
#

Sure I’ll be a minute as I’ll need to turn on my pc

tall cove
#

because depending on the gen of i5 and the gpu it should be able to run valorant because it isnt a very intense game to run

mystic ginkgo
#

Just uploading an image

crimson scroll
#

define average

#

need your budget

mystic ginkgo
#

Budget probably £350

crimson scroll
#

that gpu should definitely run valorant just fine

raw marsh
#

That should be able to run valorant alright

crimson scroll
#

what cpu

mystic ginkgo
#

Sorry a bit long

crimson scroll
#

i recommend using pcpp next time to list parts

#

if you OC the 3570k it should still be okay

#

that ram is very slow though

noble oak
#

bro i play valorant with an i5-3570 with integrated graphics

crimson scroll
#

task manager should already report the doubled rate

noble oak
#

I recommend just if u really want to maybe go for 16gb of ram

dapper laurel
#

guys i need help choosing parts

#

i5 10600k, gtx 1060 (3gb) (reusing my old will upgrade to 3060ti later), z490 a pro (pretty sure its on sale), two 8 gb 3600mhz (imma reuse), 650w psu (corsair haha) and 4000D Airflow Case
is that good
for 3060ti
and is that cpu good enough for 3060ti and is a z490 a pro actually comaptibel

crimson scroll
#

it's compatible, yes

dapper laurel
#

is it compatible for 11th or higher

crimson scroll
#

yes

idle bridge
#

should be fine

supple birch
#

Looks good

#

Though whats the cooler?

real canopy
#

id get a ryzen 5 5600x

swift galleon
#

Teach me the ways of understanding PC parts

raw marsh
swift galleon
loud escarp
#

give me a sec

swift galleon
#

11:11 long 0-0

loud escarp
#

not too long

swift galleon
#

mhm

raw marsh
#

@swift galleon ignore everything in that video, he doesn't do a single thing right - anything that he could do wrong, he does wrong

#

There are FAR better guides out there

swift galleon
#

ok

#

Ok so..

  1. Motherboard
  2. Graphics card
  3. Case
  4. RAM
  5. The fans
#

That's everything I know I need so far

#
  1. CPU
  2. CPU Cooler
raw marsh
#

CPU cooler

#

Although some CPUs come with one

swift galleon
#

interesting

raw marsh
#

SSD as well

swift galleon
#

He's playing League of Legends 😭 😭😭

raw marsh
#

Still needs an SSD lol

loud escarp
#

That video was not meant to be taken seriously

#

says it in the title lmao

sacred crescent
#

budget like $500 and want to play fortnite well and do online school--- been looking at lyte technology pc's but don't know what to do! HELP!!!!

#

no experience BTW

marble thistle
#

hello i guess ?

dry meadow
#

hi

real canopy
#

Dm me

stuck bluff
#

£365.96

echo tide
#

Hey guya I have a question so how should I mount my aio in the 4000 x rgb and withe the h115i elite CAPELLIX?

raw marsh
#

The right side is pre fitted with fans

echo tide
#

Okay so that the loop is on the right side of the cpu?

raw marsh
#

Which I assume are optimised for airflow, but you want to use the static pressure fans for the rad

echo tide
#

Yes

raw marsh
#

If that's what you're asking

echo tide
#

Yes

#

And how I remove the old idk what in English it is calles in German Wärmeleitpaste from the aio

raw marsh
#

Thermal paste?

echo tide
#

Yes

raw marsh
#

Just use a damp cloth or something similar, but there's no issue with just using the pre applied thermal paste

echo tide
#

Yes but I also got mew one so

#

And can something happen when the cpu has maybe a little bit dusty from opening the box?

loud escarp
#

is the dust on the cpu pins?

echo tide
#

I cannot se any think

#

But It could be

#

And for information a have a Intel cpu

crimson scroll
#

you want to use IPA

#

not water

#

ipa will evaporate more quickly

#

and ideally you use a microfiber cloth, not paper towels or tissues

#

those can leave fibers behind. Will it severely affect your performance? probably not, but it's just a good habit

idle bridge
#

I usually use a piece of paper with some rubbing alcohol, then clean off any paper debris with a piece of cloth

#

To clean off thermal paste

#

Usually the pre-applied is fine

high marlin
#

is thermal paste always needed when building a pc?

crimson scroll
#

yes

#

it's usually supplied too

high marlin
#

okay very good

crimson scroll
#

i will say that i've run systems without thermal paste just to boot into bios or get a windows key

#

it's fine if you know what you're doing

#

but you are going to want it on any system you use for a prolonged period of time

signal osprey
#

Especially on CP77 lol

echo tide
crimson scroll
#

isopropyl alcohol

echo tide
#

yes but where i can get that?

#

but i usually think i am using the thermal paste an the aio already mouted

crimson scroll
#

any store that's the equivalent of walgreens or cvs in your area should have it

#

it's a pretty common cleaning agent

idle bridge
#

Hand sanitizer is not the same as rubbing alcohol

#

So you can't use that, just saying cause sometimes someone think they both can be used 🙂

#

You can also use the ethanol based stuff

echo tide
#

okay

echo tide
idle bridge
#

I don't know about USA

#

Shouldn't be hard to find online tho

#

Just google "Rubbing alchohol 70%"

#

70% is good for both ethanol and isopropyl

#

For dust filters I usually use a vacuum cleaner

#

For keyboards you can use compressed air if it's just a bit of dust

#

You can often get in in cans, tho we have an air compressor in our basement

#

When cleaning off thermal paste I like to use rubbing alchohol on a piece of paper, then wipe off the last debris with a piece of cloth

#

For smaller parts you can use a Q-tip with a bit of rubbing alcohol, I usually squeeze the end a bit to make the small hairs cling to the rest and make it a bit more pointed

small wraith
#

Is the radeon rx 5600 xt good

crimson scroll
#

Today is likely to be a best buy drop day, for anybody searching for new gpus or cpus

crimson scroll
small wraith
crimson scroll
#

Sure

#

Might have to adjust settings in some games

static pecan
verbal path
#

whats the cheapest set up that i can do

#

i already have a monitor

manic bridge
#

Hi I have a question
Okay so my motherboard has two spots for ssd cards and I'm using one for my OS and all my games. However I filled it up real fast. If I install another ssd will it run games even if the OS isn't on it?

static pecan
#

Yes, any additional drives added you can set up as separate storage spaces where you can install files (including games) onto

manic bridge
#

Like, can I just tell Steam to start installing on the new ssd and it'll work?

static pecan
#

You'll have to manually create a new folder in the drive and then tell steam to use that folder to install games onto

manic bridge
#

okay! Thank you!!

static pecan
#

You could also move existing games from your OS drive onto the new one if you want to free up more space too without having to reinstall

manic bridge
#

ooooo 👀 thank you, that's good to know!

echo tide
#

Hello guys I have a question I cannot go out from the bios

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Can someone help me?

raw marsh
echo tide
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No

crimson scroll
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what do you mean you can't go out

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as in your keyboard doesn't work, or hitting enter on save and quit does nothing?

echo tide
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Second

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I can't go out

crimson scroll
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can you exit without saving

echo tide
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No

crimson scroll
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esc + enter?

echo tide
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Yes but now I am in a mother screen

crimson scroll
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so follow the instructions

echo tide
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Yes but It not work

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I always go into this window

crimson scroll
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try clearing cmos

echo tide
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?

crimson scroll
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clearing cmos resets bios back to factory defaults

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you can either jump the cmos headers on your motherboard or pull the battery for a couple of minutes

echo tide
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How?

devout wolf
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-locate cr2025 battery
-remove

echo tide
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And then put it back in it?

devout wolf
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in a few minutes

echo tide
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For or in?

crimson scroll
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you need it in to save bios settings

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you're removing it, discharging power, and leaving it out to clear any remaining charge so bios gets reset

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make sure you have the system powered off before you do that

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and unplugged

echo tide
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And then but out the battery

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And plug it in

crimson scroll
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yes

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leaving a couple of minutes between taking it out and putting it back in

echo tide
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But also without any baterry

crimson scroll
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huh?

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it's really simple, i already listed all the steps in order

echo tide
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I mean without plug the power adapter in

crimson scroll
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turn off the pc, unplug power, discharge by pressing the power button, unplug the battery, wait five minutes, plug the battery back in, plug your computer back in, turn it on

echo tide
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Okay

echo tide
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So I am in the bios

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But I can't leave the bios Menü cause it's saying cannot find a boot able device

idle bridge
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hmm, sounds like your storage device with your OS might've been unplugged

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Or there might have been some stuff with the OS or Bios

hoary path
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Hi, could anyone help me pick a mostly gaming pc with a bit of video editing for 1500dollars?

solemn wasp
# hoary path Hi, could anyone help me pick a mostly gaming pc with a bit of video editing for...

I would but i don't feel i know enough to confidently advise someone else on what to purchase, I can however tell you my specs. RTX 2070 Super, ROG STRIX Z390i Motherboard, 16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4 3200mhz RAM, Intel i7-9700k Processor, Corsair Hydro 100i RGB Platinum SE 240mm Radiator, SF750 80 Plus Platinum PSU - 750W, Samsung 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 NVME SSD and an NZXT H210i Case. that came to £1,300. Its also an ITX build

hoary path
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Ok👍

soft latch
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it's a bit over but good parts

craggy sparrow
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I’d say maybe get a 5600x instead of a 3700x

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And get a 750w psu

crimson scroll
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vengeance ram is eh

solemn wasp
crimson scroll
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i would rather get crucial ballistix for around $80

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they also have an rgb version that apparently also uses rev.E so high overclocking potential

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the lancool mesh is way overpriced right now, it should be around 110

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650w is fine for a 3070 and 5600x

hoary path
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Ok thanks 🙂

crimson scroll
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CM MWE Gold is $112 though

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Corsair RM is 125

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so if you really wanted 750 you could go for those two

hoary path
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Yeah I have time, i can't get the 3070 yet either.

echo tide
regal river
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anyone know a decent 3080 build 4 gaming with a budget of about £1500

brittle parrot
devout wolf
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why not?

dry meadow
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Because of the high end gear needed to get anything significant out of the 3080 not to mention the price of a 3080

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I'd recommend 3060 tbh it's still really good for the money

devout wolf
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you can easily get a 10700/5600x in that budget

raw marsh
raw marsh
spring grove
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nah

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but it's sold at that price when in stock

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it started at 950 €

small wraith
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How do i setup crossfire

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I want to buy dual rx 570s

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Well i already have one 570 but ive had it for about a year now

raw marsh
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Everyone will want a 3080

crimson scroll
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Why do you want to set up crossfire

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You're better off selling your current 570 and using that money + the money you would have used it buy the second 570 to just get a better gpu

crimson scroll
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and you care enough to notice?

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sounds like you're more invested than i am ¯_(ツ)_/¯

loud escarp
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lmao

topaz gyro
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💰l have to get rtx 3080 for 1040

idle bridge
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1040 what?

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Like USD or Euro?

soft latch
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Try shopblt u could get it at retail

queen musk
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what build should I go for that can reach atleast 165 fps in games?

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budget is 700usd

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and I want to use AMD with supported freesync

raw marsh
raw marsh
queen musk
queen musk