#💻-building-a-pc

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idle bridge
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Damn, it's out of stock everywhere

dense turret
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damn

idle bridge
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Wait, it's actually in stock on Amazon!

dense turret
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how much is it going for

idle bridge
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Wait frick, my page just hadn't updated

dense turret
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you are just trolling now : (

idle bridge
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Availability is different in different places

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Check if it's available for u

dense turret
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it says theres only one left in stock?

idle bridge
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Is it new or used?

dense turret
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i think its used

idle bridge
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Damn

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Otherwise, if you need more help you can ask @crimson scroll he is pretty knowledgeable about tech too

dense turret
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yeah

idle bridge
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Do you live near any Micro Centers?

dense turret
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no

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they are scarce in the us

idle bridge
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I know, but if you happened to be, you could check out pricing there

dense turret
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the website proposes some good deals

brittle parrot
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Perfect, Thanks man!

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Get a Z--- series mobo , not M---B series board, as it's an intel chip,

dense turret
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huh

crimson scroll
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@idle bridge crucial ballistix or gskill ripjaws 2x8 3600cl16 probably?

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ram's been jumping up in price a bit

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Also there's not really a need for a z series motherboard on a locked chip

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Yeah, you lose on some performance since you don't hit optimal ram speeds

devout wolf
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yeah, the 3200mhz perf gain is nice but not spending as much on mobo as cpu

crimson scroll
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But on a budget, you're probably not going to be able to get a good z board

ripe dragon
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@here do you guys know anyone who pcs for gaming?

dense turret
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what?

idle bridge
idle bridge
idle bridge
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No problem man 🙂

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If he can find another 50 bucks or so, and he wants to, he can always find some faster ram or upgrade to Z490, tho he won't see a huge performance boost, tho still some and better IO

idle bridge
devout wolf
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it's not a 'might' tbh

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the 2666mhz limit on b and h series really limits the performance on the 10400

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but it's still not that bad to the point where z series is a necessity

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the 10100 on 3200mhz ram can beat the 3600x in esports titles

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and since you're on z anyway, throw a 102.9mhz bclk oc on there

idle bridge
devout wolf
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i know

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just giving an example of what it's capable of

idle bridge
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Oh yeah I know

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I said if he wanted to, he could upgrade to a Z board

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Tho he did have a budget

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And I met it within a few dollars (He said 350 Dollars, so the price is assuming he lives in the US)

noble oak
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i have a 3080 and every time i play a game about 15-30 min in the game crashes anyone know the fix?

idle bridge
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What wattage is ur PSU?

idle bridge
noble oak
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ryzen 7 5800x 64gb 3600mhz ram, nzxt x73, 750 tituim psu, 3080ftw3

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and b550-f gaming wifi

noble oak
idle bridge
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Hmm, it appears the card, after a bios update can drop up to 450 w

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now lemme check the CPU

noble oak
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the cpu is only 105 tdp

idle bridge
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tdp and power draw aint the same thing m8

noble oak
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oh my bad

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lol im new to this

idle bridge
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Looks like it can draw up to a rough 230 watts

noble oak
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do u think im drawing to much power???

idle bridge
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680 watts, that leaves about 70 watts for the rest of the system

gilded frost
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Why a 5800x?

noble oak
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bc

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why not

gilded frost
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Do you edit?

noble oak
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i do blender

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sutf

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stuff*

gilded frost
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How much?

noble oak
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wym

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@idle bridge As you can see in the y-cruncher threaded benchmark results, the Ryzen 7 5800X consumes a peak of 112 watts at stock settings in this heavy AVX workload, which is much higher than the previous-gen Ryzen 7 3800XT.

gilded frost
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First off, how much did you pay for the 5800x?

noble oak
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449

gilded frost
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Bs , those thing’s are over priced everywhere

noble oak
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i paid no more than retail for everything

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i got it all from microcneter

idle bridge
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Yep, appears to be your PSU, 680 watts at absolute peak, together with most mobos in the 50-70 watt range, then you need to run your fans, AIO, possible rgb, your blistering 64 gb of ram

gilded frost
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You paid 500 then

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For 2 cores

idle bridge
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You should run a benchmark of your power draw bro, and see how close you get to the limit

noble oak
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i ran a benchmark

idle bridge
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That doesn't appear to show power

noble oak
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hmm

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im trying to find one rn that shows power

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i dont think any do...

idle bridge
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Also, what efficiency is your PSU?

noble oak
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titanium

idle bridge
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damn..

noble oak
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yea

dense turret
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ive decided that ill get a 10400f still figuring for the motherboard and RAM though

gilded frost
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Well a 460 and 16gb ram should work

dense turret
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Ram is getting pricey

bold parrot
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Does your monitor have to be compatible with your pc?

noble oak
civic apex
static pecan
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@bold parrot I mean....as long as your GPU and monitor have the same connector (DisplayPort or HDMI generally these days) it'll work fine. The only thing that would stop your monitor from not working with a PC is not having the appropriate connector to plug it in

civic apex
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^

bold parrot
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Ohhh okay

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Because I want to get this 240hz monitor but

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I didn’t see it compatible at pc part picker

idle bridge
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Most moniters now a days have either DP, HDMI or both.

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You might be able to find some with VGA, beyond that is just ancient tech lol

idle bridge
dense turret
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ill have to weaken my budget on the motherboard since ram plays a good part

crimson scroll
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i doubt it's the psu, it could also be the game itself, a bad overclock, or something else @noble oak

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what happens if you run occt? that will show you power draw

noble oak
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ooct?

crimson scroll
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run power

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just be careful on your vrm temps

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you can set critical limits for cpu and gpu but the vrm can heat up if you don't have sufficient cooling

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might as well run the other tests too i guess

crimson scroll
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and at around 2/3 the price

idle herald
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rate my cable management out of 10?

crimson scroll
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put the other side there too

molten basalt
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8.5 tho

lean quarry
devout wolf
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i mean

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it's open air technically

idle bridge
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But yes, looks like good airflow

idle bridge
# idle herald

It's pretty good a solid 8, maybe a nine, what case are you using?

idle herald
idle bridge
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I can only find 100r

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Ngl it looks pretty nice

idle herald
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my bad it is the 100r lol

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got it for like 120 b4 tax on black Friday and it comes with 4 argb fans

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damn good case for the price imo

idle bridge
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nice

bold parrot
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What’s better the nvidia 3070 or the pny rtx 3070

prime thicket
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depends which pny one

bold parrot
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The 3070

vivid glacier
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omg lol

crimson scroll
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which model

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there's the Uprising dual fan and the xlr8 gaming revel epic-x rgb triple fan

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and also what price you're buying any of those at

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side note, what an absolutely atrocious name for a card

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"PNY GeForce RTX™ 3070 8GB XLR8 Gaming REVEL EPIC-X RGB™ Triple Fan Edition"

static pecan
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"How many letters and numbers can we possibly add to this graphics card to differentiate it from everyone else?"

acoustic wadi
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almost done building my pc!

pastel nymph
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oh no

craggy sparrow
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...

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bruh moment

plain patrol
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You need more

craggy sparrow
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Exactly

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You haven’t got enough lol

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That thing is gonna catch fire if you don’t add more

plain patrol
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I'm never getting a 3080 am i

static pecan
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Not for at least another few months, but probably closer to the middle/end of this year

crimson scroll
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tariff exemption is over though so enjoy paying 15%+ more

static pecan
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Also true, but hey, at least you might be able to get one 😬

crimson scroll
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looks like i'm hanging onto my card for a while longer

static pecan
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Can't wait to pay $1000 for a 6800XT in November lmao

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Definitely not regretting my 5700XT purchase last month

crimson scroll
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i've changed my mind about the 6800xt

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i think there's no reason to get it over the 3080

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considering you can use dlss to get pretty much the same quality and pump out more frames

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if fidelityfx comes out and is decent, sure

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but i expect that to be more similar to dlss 1.0

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right now though

static pecan
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Big reason for me is I don't like Nvida. I don't like them as a company and both of my previous Nvidia cards have been trash

crimson scroll
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fair

static pecan
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My 970 caught on fire in my system after a year and the 1650 in my laptop died after 7 months lol

vivid glacier
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yikesss

bold parrot
crimson scroll
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what price?

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and how much would you be buying the FE 3070 at?

bold parrot
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That much

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At Best Buy once they restock

vivid glacier
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nice

astral belfry
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are the corsair vengeance pro rgb ram sticks good?

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might consider asking for them

tacit thicket
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@astral belfry Which ones

astral belfry
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lemme try and find em

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it wont lemme send the link

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but : CORSAIR - Vengeance RGB PRO 16GB (2PK 8GB) 3.2GHz PC4-25600 DDR4 DIMM Unbuffered Non-ECC Desktop Memory Kit with RGB Lighting - Black

tacit thicket
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Yeah those are alright

astral belfry
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okie

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tank u

tacit thicket
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@astral belfry Do you need them to be RGB

astral belfry
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not necessarily, but i do feel like spoiling myself

tacit thicket
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Could you send a PCPartpicker list?

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I might be able to help

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Because there are other options

astral belfry
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i dont have one

tacit thicket
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Oh

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mmk

astral belfry
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sorry

bold parrot
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This is the price for the nvidia one

crimson scroll
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how much do you care about rgb?

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@astral belfry i'd avoid corsair vengeance

astral belfry
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may i ask why cuz idk much about it

crimson scroll
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they don't always hit their rated xmp speeds

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and it's generally a bit pricier for the corsair brand name

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like record said, making a pcpp of your current pc is a good idea

bold parrot
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Uhhh I don’t really care about RGB

tacit thicket
crimson scroll
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some, yeah

tacit thicket
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I mean

crimson scroll
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4000d and 220t airflow versions are good

tacit thicket
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I've never head anything bad

crimson scroll
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spec alpha was garbage

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some good psus like the sf750

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their green label psus were bad

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it's like every other company

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also their mice are pretty much regarded as having weird shapes

tacit thicket
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I love my corsair mouse

crimson scroll
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the m35 i think? had a decent shape but an outdated sensor by the time it came out

plain patrol
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Tariffs are just on USA tho

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So i dont worry about that

bold parrot
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@crimson scroll so which one do you personally think which card I should get

crimson scroll
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i can't find many comparative reviews of the xlr8 but i suspect it will have better cooling than the FE which ranks lower than any of the board partner solutions

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i'd probably pick the pny myself but it's really about what's available

bold parrot
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I see

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I mean I can’t get any of them now because they’re all sold out

crimson scroll
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exactly

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whatever comes in stock you gotta just pick up

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even if it's not one of the two cards you listed

bold parrot
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Lmao okay notes

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Noted

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Even if it’s a 20 series?

crimson scroll
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nah

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i meant the 3070

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when it comes in at non scalper prices

bold parrot
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Oh okay

crimson scroll
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if you want to look at other generations of cards it really depends on the price

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and who's selling

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usually i'd say go used for those

bold parrot
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Ahhh I see

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I’ll just wait

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And how good is the 3060 to

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Ti*

crimson scroll
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about equal or better than the 1080ti in most games

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generally, the more recent the title, the better it does comparatively

bold parrot
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I see

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How well do you think it would run like Fortnite or like games like those

crimson scroll
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esports titles? at high refresh rates even at 1440p or 4k depending on settings

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i'd recommend looking up reviews for each card you're interested in, it'll give you more information on average fps and 1% lows than i can give you

civic apex
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y’all i just got in an argument with someone in the yt comment section because they were saying 1080p is a dead resolution. is it dead?

crimson scroll
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no

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but your first mistake was the youtube comment section

civic apex
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yeah i figured

static pecan
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1080p remains the most popular gaming resolution according to the Steam survey so that alone makes the argument that 1080p is "dead" completely stupid

civic apex
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ik, someone in the thread already said that and they just kept insisting it was dated and dead

gilded frost
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I’d say 1440p might start to get more popular for competitive gaming, 3090 can handle say 240 FPS 1440p low settings on fortnite , or 1440p ultra in CSGo

static pecan
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That's not the argument though, whether or not you're right. The argument is that 1080p is dead, which is objectively false

crimson scroll
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cs pros are....kind of set in their ways

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1024 black bars is hardly a "good" res

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objectively, a higher res lets you see things more clearly

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but preference plays a large role in what people use, and you gotta be comfortable to frag

idle bridge
brittle parrot
brittle parrot
brittle parrot
thick ledge
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why
[12:56 AM]
havnt i gotten a steelseries xai
[12:56 AM]
i want 1 now

prime thicket
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My PC won't post, everything lights up, e.g. fans (they spin too), ram, gpu and the AIO screen turns on then off (I think because there's no software installed) but my PC wont post at all

idle bridge
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Does it have any leds or displays that show error codes?

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On the mobo

prime thicket
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uh

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I'll have a look next time I try it

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but

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I don't think so

gilded frost
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@prime thicket

prime thicket
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Hi

gilded frost
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So... Did you look?

prime thicket
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I'll have a look now hold on

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Nope.

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Nothing

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@gilded frost

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Another issue is that I can't turn the pc off with the power button

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It turns on but not back off again

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  • also is it ok that my pc is plugged into an extension cable
idle bridge
prime thicket
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That'd the issue

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I don't have enough sockets to

idle bridge
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ah

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I know the pain

prime thicket
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My main issue is no post though

idle bridge
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Damn

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Is your PSU turned on?

prime thicket
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Shits lit up like a Christmas tree

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But no post

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Tried hdmi from gpu and motherboard

idle bridge
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Is the 24 pin connector to the mobo properly connected?

prime thicket
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I'd assume so considering ram is lit up

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Same with you

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Gpu

idle bridge
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Damn, we should call in the pros

prime thicket
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Who's the pros

idle bridge
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@crimson scroll

prime thicket
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I need them

idle bridge
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@craggy sparrow

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Two people I know in this discord, that at least knows a bit about computer

idle bridge
prime thicket
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GPU has RGB on

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But as I said I've tried HDMI out from motherboard and from the GPU too

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And nothing from both

idle bridge
prime thicket
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Ryzen 7 5800X, RTX 3080, 32gb Dominator ram, Gigabyte Aorus X570

pastel nymph
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nice

idle bridge
prime thicket
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No clue

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There's no post

idle bridge
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Well if it has bios flashback (Or whatever the manufacturer calls it) you should probably try to use it

prime thicket
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Uh

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How do I do that

craggy sparrow
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Because people act like they know what they’re talking about when they really have no idea

idle bridge
craggy sparrow
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Yeah

wary marlin
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i'm new in this server, but i'd like to know if anyone knows a good gpu but in the price range of 100 to 500?

idle bridge
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But I would say you should either go for an RTX 3060 ti or RTX 3070 if you want to go Nvidia.

wary marlin
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how much is the rtx 3060 ti?

craggy sparrow
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Depends

idle bridge
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About 400 dollars iirc

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If you can get one for MSRP

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Which is very hard rn

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3070 is 500 dollars msrp, again, pretty hard to get

craggy sparrow
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450

wary marlin
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yea I just checked

craggy sparrow
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Wait no I dunno the currency conversion

wary marlin
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well i'm in canada

idle bridge
wary marlin
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so if we are talking us its shoul be about 600

craggy sparrow
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Yeah

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Founders edition is £450

wary marlin
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i was thinking about the gtx 1660 super but i wanted to see if there was better in the same price range

crimson scroll
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500 Cad is just below 400 usd

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So a 3060ti is out of the question

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Maybe a 2060s or a 5700xt is doable if you go used

wary marlin
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yea i heard the rtx 2060 is pretty good

idle bridge
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Ohh, I thought he meant USD

dense turret
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just thought, who would pay 2.5k for a gtx 1070?! scalpers are ridiculous

wary marlin
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what

crimson scroll
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Bitcoin and eth mining is kind of spiking again right now

wary marlin
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really?

crimson scroll
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At least 3000cl16 2x8 isn't $140

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Yeah, bitcoin is in a bubble right now

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I would expect it to burst soon

prime thicket
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When I plug my PSU in and turn it on something flashes - I also tried to turn it off and it felt like the switch had a spring and wouldn't flick off, is it faulty?

plain patrol
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@dense turret clearly ppl buy it or the prices woulda dropped

dense turret
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idk, its. Crazy that a card like this is almost double the price of a 3090, not even the ti version

crimson scroll
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something flashes?

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as in something in the psu flashes, or something on the motherboard?

prime thicket
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No clue

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There's a flash

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Bottom left side of my mobo

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I think it could be the PSU

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Cause I was looking at the mobo and didn't see what flashed

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Gonna take a slow Mo video

crimson scroll
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is there a noise associated with the flash

prime thicket
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No

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Hold on I'm gonna find out where it is

crimson scroll
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that's good

prime thicket
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Ok it might be the RGB on the motherboard

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Which I didn't realise it had

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Yeah I think it is

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I'm still no further with the no post

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Idk why the RGB turns on then off again

crimson scroll
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don't do hdmi out from your motherboard again

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5800x has no integrated graphics

prime thicket
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Ok well the GPU won't post anyway

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Either way

crimson scroll
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do gpu fans turn on when you power on the system?

prime thicket
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I'll look

crimson scroll
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make sure all your connections are secure

prime thicket
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I habeb

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Have*

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Yep they're on @crimson scroll

crimson scroll
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okay

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unplug all but one stick of ram

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see if the system posts

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also it could still be a bios issue but you can q flashback with yours

prime thicket
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Alright will do

crimson scroll
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also what psu do you have

prime thicket
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Still nothing

crimson scroll
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take out all the ram and power on again, see if any beeps or leds come on

prime thicket
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Just so you known

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For some reason

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My the power button on the case doesn't turn it off

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Idk why

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No beeps or leds on motherboard

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Motherboard RGB off but GPU RGB on

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Still no post

crimson scroll
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okay

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do q flash

prime thicket
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How?

crimson scroll
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make sure you check which revision of the board you have

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there should be a q flash button for you to hit

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your manual will tell you how exactly

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and which revision of the board you have

prime thicket
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Lemme see

crimson scroll
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you need a fat32 usb

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what i would do is remove all your components and just plug in the 24pin and 4pin cpu power

prime thicket
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Ok I found the qflash button

crimson scroll
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and then flash

prime thicket
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Is that a must do?

crimson scroll
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it's safer

prime thicket
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If so I'll do tomorrow cause I'm not unplugging all that shit

crimson scroll
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it's possible you have a dead motherboard, or just a bios that needs updating

prime thicket
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I think dead motherboard is more likely considering the RGB doesn't stay on

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However the ram RGB was on

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So idk

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It's my first pc and all this is going wrong

crimson scroll
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it happens ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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there's a lot of other stuff that could have happened including user error

prime thicket
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I'm tempted to give the pc to someone that knows what they're doing

crimson scroll
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you might have shorted something because you forgot standoffs

prime thicket
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Although lockdown makes that harder

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Standoffs were preinstalled

crimson scroll
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did you assemble the system outside of the case?

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just on the motherboard box

prime thicket
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Yes and no

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CPU, RAM, NVME SSD and Pump we're all installed outside of case on the box

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Were*

crimson scroll
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did you try turning it on outside of the case

prime thicket
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Nope

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No one told me to do that

crimson scroll
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generally you want to test components before they go into the system so that if something's wrong you don't have to take it all apart

craggy sparrow
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Well it’s a good idea to do that before putting the parts in the case just so you can make sure they all work

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Yeah

prime thicket
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Well if Boris doesn't put us into further restrictions I'm gonna just give it to my friend to look at cause I'm fed up and have no clue what I'm doing

noble oak
crimson scroll
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seems alright for the price

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if it has the features you need/want, go for it

noble oak
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Ok thx

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Also it was optemu red

noble oak
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cpu air-cooler suggestions?

crimson scroll
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depends on what you're cooling, what your budget is, and what size constraints you have

noble oak
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going to use it on a R7 3700x since the cooler it comes with right now is pretty dam loud, around $100, size contraints MSI B550 A Pro with Ballistix RAM

crimson scroll
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case constraints

craggy sparrow
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A 5600x is way better than a 3700x if you can get your hands on it

crimson scroll
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depends on your use case

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in gaming, sure

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in production tasks, not necessarily

craggy sparrow
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Yeah

noble oak
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P400a digital, with 2 Stella ARGB Fans at the top of the case.

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1 Stella ARGB at the back of the case acting as exhaust

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other than that there's nothing standing in it's way

crimson scroll
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if you want to go overkill, the nh-d15, deepcool assassin 3, or dark rock pro 4 are all at the high end of 80-100 and will be quiet and cool

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scythe fuma 2 will perform about the same as those while being the quietest and cheaper, at around 60

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arctic esports 34 duo is also fine but usually the price is jacked up

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se-234 argb, thermalright macho le grand, cryorig r1 universal also good

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just depends on what you can find and at what price

devout wolf
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at the cheapest, there are se-224-xt and deepcool gammaxx 400 v2

hearty ravine
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saucy can i get your opinion on a monitor uwu

crimson scroll
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absolutely NOT

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jk yes

hearty ravine
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rude

crimson scroll
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fabulous

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very good monitor

hearty ravine
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do you think its worth the cost?

crimson scroll
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at $800....not when the gn850 exists, personally

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1440p to 4k is not as large of a jump as 1080p to 1440p imo

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in terms of how much finer details you can see

hearty ravine
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ah so the largest difference is the one i sent is 4k & the gn850 is 1440p?

crimson scroll
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pretty much

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if you want a top tier 4k gaming monitor at high refresh rate, the 950 is good

hearty ravine
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mmm ill just go with the gn850 then lmfao

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i dont care too much about the 4k display

crimson scroll
#

alternatives to the gn850 include the 2721dgf which uses the same panel

static pecan
#

I just started using 1440p 144hz with my new rig and it's amazing

crimson scroll
#

the legion y27q-20 is also comparable

hearty ravine
#

ive always had low tier monitors so when i build my pc im just going to invest in a really nice monitor so i can actually feel like me spending a gross amount of money on my pc is worth it lolol

static pecan
#

Same here. I got the G27 and it's great

crimson scroll
#

gigabyte g27q or g27qc is also pretty good and runs a bit cheaper than the others

static pecan
#

The QC is curved VA at 165hz

crimson scroll
#

i don't know what cables each of those monitors come with but you'll want dp 1.4 or hdmi 2.0 at the least to support 1440p 144hz

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my 2719dgf only came with a hdmi 1.4 cable despite having a 2.0 port which was stupid

static pecan
#

G27Q comes with DP and HDMI

astral belfry
#

holy-

devout wolf
static pecan
#

Lmao

mystic crescent
#

anyone recommend best 144hz monitor for cheap?

devout wolf
#

uhm

#

what resolution?

swift galleon
#

You could say I'm new to this

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But if there is a certain resolution

#

it can be any resolution

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and 26 inches

devout wolf
#

resolution is the quality

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not size

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1080p 1440p etc

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drop either your budget or the resolution

swift galleon
#

Well I know it can be any res

devout wolf
#

they're kinda major necessary factors to come to a desision yknow

devout wolf
#

that's, less than ideal

swift galleon
#

And they say it's edgeless, which it is not after reading the reviews it is not

devout wolf
#

$170 for a 1080p75 display, with pretty bad pixel density since it's 27"

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and on top of that it's probably TN too

swift galleon
#

Do you recommend any?

swift galleon
#

thank you!

gilded frost
#

Could get a Westinghouse

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Bit cheaper, 27’

sharp gazelle
#

Any recommendations on the best wireless keyboard, mouse, and headset to get that is reasonably priced?

sharp gazelle
swift galleon
#

hmm

swift galleon
#

For the keyboard

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Rival 650 Wireless mouse

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And Arctis 3 or Arctis 1 Headset

sharp gazelle
swift galleon
#

no problem

swift galleon
#

would you recommend this or not?

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Also I have a budget of like 700 - 800

crimson scroll
#

the gpu and cpu both have no price

#

you'd be paying at least 600+ on top of whatever price is listed there

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since it uses parametric filters and auto updating prices

#

so no, on your budget i would not recommend that system

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also they're misspending the budget

swift galleon
#

Oh, okay thank you

crimson scroll
#

$120 on a liquid cooler is kind of ridiculous for a 5600x if you'r enot going for looks, and is a good way to waste money in terms of price/performance

swift galleon
#

oh

crimson scroll
#

meshify c requires extra fans to really reach it's cooling potential

swift galleon
#

I HAVE A KAHOOT HOLD ON

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sorry

crimson scroll
#

go to class then and come back when you don't lol

swift galleon
#

lol

crimson scroll
#

seriously

#

it's easy to wave off online class but it's more imperative now than ever that you pay attention

swift galleon
#

My friend recommended me oe

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one

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and he uses it

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this is the one he recommended

crimson scroll
#

i already dislike it

#

nzxt cases often have poor airflow

swift galleon
#

oh

crimson scroll
#

prebuilts in general aren't a great way to save money

#

with the recent gpu shortages if you know what you're doing you can spec out the right system and get a good one while selling everything else, but i wouldn't

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also prebuilts frequently have quality control issues

#

loose connectors, glued connectors, incorrectly configured boot settings

swift galleon
#

oh that sucks

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what do you recommend?

crimson scroll
#

building your own

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what are you doing with the pc and when are you buying the parts?

swift galleon
#

Honestly I'm not going to buy anytime soon, I'm just preparing for when I do.

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I have a laptop that was a birthday present and my whole setup is mostly gifts

crimson scroll
#

come back when you do then

swift galleon
#

ok

crimson scroll
#

prices fluctuate a lot

swift galleon
#

makes sense

crimson scroll
#

a list that i make now, which will be heavily influenced by gpu shortages, probably won't be relevant in a year

arctic delta
#

Can I talk about other tech stuff here or just strictly building a PC?

crimson scroll
#

depends on what tech stuff it is then

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chat topic isn't super strict as far as i'm aware, as long as it's tangentially related to pc stuff it's fine

pulsar fossil
#

I don't really agree with you on prebuilts @crimson scroll :)

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Sure there's def some that has problems

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But for some people prebuilts makes a lot more sense than building yourself

crimson scroll
#

there's a place for some of them, like people with more money than time

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but for most kids it's more worth to build it yourself

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you'll learn something and save money

pulsar fossil
#

They're not always more expensive

#

Plus if you build it yourself, you'll be the one with the problems if something doesn't work

#

You'll have to figure out what doesn't work and return it

#

I've done a couple random comparisons and the price difference between diy and prebuilt is often negligible

crimson scroll
#

Usually you're getting better ram, better motherboard, and a better psu though

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And frequently a better ssd

pulsar fossil
#

That def depends on who you're buying from

#

Like the Omen Obelisk desktop has RAM that's a little bit slower but everything else is pretty close to standard off the shelf stuff

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Depending on experience you can also easily buy slow RAM a bad motherboard etc

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Or a NVME SSD with no dram

crimson scroll
#

the omen obelisk that's $1800 and has a 9700k and 2070 super?

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not seeing any other models

pulsar fossil
#

I'm not american so I'm not aware of how they're specced there

craggy sparrow
#

Are you from the Netherlands?

crimson scroll
#

yeah i'm mostly talking about american prebuilts

pulsar fossil
#

I'm from Denmark

craggy sparrow
#

Yeah

pulsar fossil
#

Location doesn't change the advantage of stuff like warranty on a prebuilt vs diy

crimson scroll
#

that's true

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but it does change pricing

pulsar fossil
#

Also just wanna point out that I don't use a prebuilt :D

#

I'm not trying to justify a purchase or anything

craggy sparrow
#

I think prices change because of currency exchanges

pulsar fossil
#

The Obelisk is at it's end of life currently I think

#

I've mostly used Obelisk with an i9-9900k and 2080ti

crimson scroll
#

i'm not saying never get a prebuilt

pulsar fossil
#

I'm not saying you're saying that :P

crimson scroll
#

just that for most people here, i think it makes more sense to build your own

pulsar fossil
#

If you're into spending the time on picking the parts, waiting for the individual parts, possibly troubleshooting individual parts and don't consider the time spent building it to have value, then sure. Or if you really want to have 100% control over every component of course

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Actually, @crimson scroll can you make a pc build that has these specs and is cheaper than $1,299.99? It's an Omen 25L desktop PC:
i7-10700
RTX 2060 Super 8GB
16GB DDR4-2600 HyperX (2x8GB upgradable to 64GB in 4 slots)
512 GB NVMe M.2 SSD
1 TB 7200 HDD
Wi-Fi and bluetooth
500W PSU 80+ Bronze
Windows 10 Home license

Because I just tried on PC part picker and I couldn't 🤷‍♂️

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It couldn't show me a compatible mobo but even without it's still more money at $1369.56

crimson scroll
#

Not with the scalped gpus right now

#

Usually I also don't do windows since you can download and use it for free with just a watermark and some customizations disabled

#

But if you need a license then prebuilts can be viable too

pulsar fossil
#

I would personally never use a PC without a license

#

The watermark would drive me nuts

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So in conclusion then; prebuilts are cheaper than diy due to inflated GPU prices for the foreseeable future

crimson scroll
#

I did say that

pulsar fossil
crimson scroll
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In general

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And then after I mentioned the current gpu shortage

pulsar fossil
#

I'm just pulling ya leg :)

idle bridge
pulsar fossil
#

For sure. You can't say either way is cheaper/more expensive 100% of the time

idle bridge
#

yep

static pecan
#

Yeah I tried using Windows with the watermark for awhile on my new system but couldn't deal with it after a couple days lol

idle herald
#

hey yall quick question
im running occt with no overclocks (on cpu or gpu) and its already showing hella errors and a few whea errors
anyone know y

devout wolf
crimson scroll
#

all a stress test will tell you is that you have an error, not where the error is

#

so hard for us to say

#

if you ran a specific test like the memory test, then we'd know it's the memory

idle bridge
#

Yo, quick question, what speed and CAS Latency would you guys recommend?

brittle parrot
#

Specs wise,

idle bridge
#

something in the 3200 - 3600 range

brittle parrot
#

Okkkkk

idle bridge
#

Just looking for what CL you would recommend

brittle parrot
#

CL16, and probably 3200, if you plan on doing alot of ram heavy things get 3600

idle bridge
#

Ok ok

#

Yeah I was thinking about 16 too, but was unsure

brittle parrot
#

I know like 14 and 12 is tempting but in reality 16 is all you need, you pay considerably more for 2ms faster ram

idle bridge
#

ik

vivid glacier
#

lol

idle bridge
#

Cause I noticed that CL 14 is like, almost twice as expensive as CL 16 or CL 18

vivid glacier
#

gte them all i say haha

lean quarry
#

my microsoft store has disappeared i have looked at so many things online but all things dont work

#

i need it for apple music and mail

devout wolf
#

but either way what optix said

#

3000cl15 or 3200cl16 is fine

crimson scroll
#

depends on your budget and cpu

noble oak
#

sup guys

#

i was wondering what gaming pc i should get

#

i want a low budget but not super low

#

i’ve never had a gaming pc before so what do y’all recommend?

crimson scroll
#

depends on what "low" budget means

digital light
#

I can find parts if you guve me a budget

noble oak
#

like maybe from 400 to 700 @crimson scroll

#

and @digital light

digital light
#

Hmmm

#

Well

#

You wont be able to get anything that good for that price but i will see what i can do

#

It wont be under 600 tho

noble oak
#

aight thx

crimson scroll
#

that's not true

digital light
#

Any under 500 is trash

devout wolf
#

no?

digital light
#

Well

#

Not trash

#

But not that good

devout wolf
#

$500 could get you 9100f+1650(s) or rx 570

#

pretty dang good for budget 1080p

digital light
#

Under 500 is probably bad

devout wolf
#

used market

digital light
#

True

#

But i would reccomend new

noble oak
#

same

digital light
#

And definitely building it

noble oak
#

ye that’s imma do

digital light
#

Good

noble oak
#

i just want parts

crimson scroll
#

for somebody who doesn't know what they're doing yet, i would not necessarily recommend used, that's true

noble oak
#

that’s it

#

but my brother already has one

#

a new gaming pc

crimson scroll
#

but saying under 600 or under 500 is bad isn't really true

digital light
#

Ehh

devout wolf
#

getting just the gpu used can save you a lot of money too

digital light
#

Yea gpu i would say used

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But other stuff should be new

crimson scroll
#

i mean, if you're getting the gpu used, you could get the case used too

digital light
#

Under 500 i would say just keep saving bcus your gonna probably wanna upgrade soon from that

crimson scroll
#

the most static thing in your build

digital light
#

Ye

crimson scroll
devout wolf
#

hhh why is the neo air gone again

#

oh still same price as p300a mesh

crimson scroll
#

you can also save some money here and there by changing the ram since you won't hit the listed XMP speeds anyways, and the ssd to a sata drive, but the savings won't be significant enough to upgrade any other part

#

but it is savings so

#

most of the cheap 500gb ssds don't have dram, i think the first one i'd pick when ordered by price would be the wd blue, which would get you down 8 dollars. cheapest 2x8 ram right now is 3000cl16-18-18-36, which is again still faster than you'd be able to use on that motherboard, so you'd save 5 dollars there. I don't know very much about intel motherboards so i'm sure you could save money there but get a second opinion

swift galleon
#

Can anyone recommend me a PC for starters?

#

I have a budget of like 700 to 800

#

but 900 would still be okay if you can't find 7 - 800

next kayak
#

just get the nzxt prebulid for starters

#

there is three

#

each better

#

699 799 and 999

#

i think

crimson scroll
#

700-800? see my build above

next kayak
#

pr that

#

or*

crimson scroll
swift galleon
#

oo 750

#

thanks!

crimson scroll
#

their $700 pc is slightly worse than mine specs wise

#

but has wifi and bt

#

also the sn550 is more than i expected so good for them

swift galleon
#

👌

swift galleon
#

I'm not worried about graphics though

crimson scroll
#

why not

#

and yeah, the graphics card isn't...great

swift galleon
#

But I can swap it out

crimson scroll
#

but it's about what you'll get at the price

swift galleon
#

for a different one

crimson scroll
#

if you're gonna swap it out, then just get a different pc

#

assuming you can find another card

next kayak
#

peffect for meh

crimson scroll
#

i mean

#

the one i posted has better specs

#

but sure

next kayak
#

i can't bulid

#

to clumsy

#

might break smth

crimson scroll
#

nonsense

#

it's like legos

next kayak
#

scared

crimson scroll
#

you can do it

next kayak
#

thank you

#

i am saving up

#

about a year and a ha;f before i can get a job

#

and hopefully covid can go away

crimson scroll
#

come back when you're actually gonna buy and i can give you an updated parts list

next kayak
#

okok

#

thanks

swift galleon
#

my friend has it, he said it runs like 200 fps

crimson scroll
#

yeah...so you'd spend extra money on top of buying the prebuilt to buy a case?

swift galleon
#

true

#

I would just go with yours

#

And swap the video card

lean quarry
#

anybody knows how to reinstall microsoft store i have checked so many things but nothing works

crimson scroll
#

first thing i googled is the microsoft forums

#

did you try that

calm forge
#

its possible to delete microsoft store?

#

never knew that

lean quarry
#

Ye i checked the microsoft formums and i did try al the things they said but it dindt work

arctic delta
#

Does anyone know the best gaming laptop specs wise for 1.2k?

digital light
#

From what ive heard at least

next kayak
#

alienware laptop might be th best

#

bu pricey

crimson scroll
#

not bad

#

there are a lot of sales right now on 2000 series laptops since 3000 is coming out soon

#

any reason you want a laptop specifically?

gilded frost
#

@arctic delta

idle herald
#

quick question for yall

#

ive ran memtest86 on all 4 of my ram sticks in at the same time 4 passes no errors, should i still test 1 stick at a time now or am i fine?

lunar kayak
#

if the PC is all fine included everything, you shouldn't even need memtest at all

idle herald
#

just ran it bc i got my ram as 2 packs of 2x8 instead of 1 pack of 4x8, which couldve meant different batches and more errors but hopefully thats definetly not the case lol

lunar kayak
#

you shouldn't have any issues with new RAM

#

quad should only put more load on the IMC, which shouldn

#

i mean should not be an issue either

crimson scroll
#

tm5 > memtest86

#

much faster and better at finding errors

#

however, if it passed, you're fine

lunar kayak
#

i don't even run any at all, if the PC works good you should be good

#

modern IMCs can handle 4 sticks just fine

#

dual channel configs used as quadruple, i mean

idle herald
crimson scroll
#

on the extreme setting, around 2 hours for 3 cycles

#

goes faster as you tighten timings

idle herald
#

alright thanks yall

crimson scroll
#

and really at stock it should be fine

#

just when you're memory overclocking, that's when you test

idle herald
#

yea I don't plan to oc my ram

lunar kayak
#

i just run XMP but yeah if you want to mess around with timings, memtests make more sense

idle herald
#

xmp I run if that counts but nothing else

lunar kayak
#

yeah you're probably good to go either way

crimson scroll
#

xmp is overclocking but it's factory overclocking so not really

lunar kayak
#

yeah well on JEDEC DDR4 starts off around 2133 so you get 2133 on most RAM

#

you buy better or worse RAM like 3600 for the XMP or manual tweaking

idle bridge
#

You can usually overclock it a bit past XMP, but I don't think I'll be doing that, as I fell like it might make it unstable xd

lunar kayak
#

yeah i got 3800 out of my 3600 trident-z kits

#

beyond that not much more stably

idle bridge
#

nice

#

What about timings?

crimson scroll
#

it depends on the IC and what xmp profile was set

#

on samsung b-die for example you can usually overclock it far past xmp

#

same with micron rev.e

idle bridge
#

👀

lunar kayak
#

yeah it was b-die stuff

#

i recall getting some 17-18-18-36 325 or whatever

#

has been long

#

it was in quad channel

#

i think it was an X299 DLX asus

#

might have been one of the two of my X299-A as well

#

i got too much stuff.

crimson scroll
#

bdie is notably the only ic that can reliably get under 300 trfc

#

alongside being able to scale pretty well up to 1.5v

lunar kayak
#

yeah, i never pushed past 1.45 tho

#

i've always heard good stuff about micron e-die as well

#

ballistix elite rocking 3433 at CL14 or whatever

#

you could get a 2x8 kit of those ballistix elite 3600 for $80 on newegg

#

not sure about now, they moved on to the Elite versions which seem to be the same kit with a different heatspreader.

crimson scroll
#

ballistix max is the high end stuff

#

normal ballistix with no suffix you can get in 3200cl16 or 3600cl16

lunar kayak
#

yeah it was the max

#

normal ballistix are no slouch either

#

when i first got my X99 to DDR4 i had some 2600 ballistix stuff

#

it was decent

brittle parrot
#

Is the MSI RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio any good? It's like £830 I need to know what I'm buying lmao

devout wolf
#

not good enough to drop 830 quid on tbh

#

the FE has a better PCB

brittle parrot
#

Buddy, I'm not getting an FE, and a 3080 Founders is like £1000+, and they aren't good cards, even if the PCB is better, its thermals and performance isn't good,

craggy sparrow
#

Founders edition 3080 isn’t 1000 unless you’re buying from a scalper

brittle parrot
craggy sparrow
#

You could just wait

#

And yeah they will eventually

brittle parrot
#

No one on the face of this planet is getting an FE for retail

brittle parrot
craggy sparrow
#

Oh

#

Then don’t bother

#

Just get one from msi, evga or Asus or something like that then

brittle parrot
#

That's why I asked aha,

#

MSI cards are good just needed some to re assure,

craggy sparrow
#

Yeah they’re good

idle bridge
#

yep

#

Imo most manufacturers that you feel that you can trust are probably ok to buy from. Asus, EVGA, MSI, PNY etc

brittle parrot
brittle parrot
devout wolf
#

not that bad thermally

#

just worse than all the 3-fan cards

#

also trusted brands don't exist

#

every brand makes good and bad

brittle parrot
devout wolf
#

no like, never care about the brand when you're buying a product

#

just going, oh evga - that's a good brand while buying an N1 isn't good

idle bridge
#

I mean don't go with some shady company who you don't know

#

If you don't think PNY is able to be trusted, or make bad products, then you can just not buy from them 🙂

lunar kayak
#

pny seems to be mostly good for enterprise material

#

HPC or design work

idle bridge
#

yep

dense turret
#

my psu is not made from a big company, but it works fine

idle bridge
#

Where's it from?

dense turret
#

Powerco Ltd

idle bridge
#

What 80+ rating does it have (If any)?

dense turret
#

standard white one

idle bridge
#

Still nice

crimson scroll
#

Anybody who gets a card for less than the new msrp+100 is getting a steal

#

For the next few months

#

Newegg itself is driving prices up beyond tariff levels

#

Maybe if you get lucky and live near the one best buy that restocks their msrp FE cards

crimson scroll
prime thicket
#

😉

idle bridge
#

no way

prime thicket
#

that includes delivery

#

and tax

crimson scroll
#

That's in the eu

#

US tariffs don't apply to the EU

prime thicket
#

I mean

#

technically

crimson scroll
#

Well, uk

prime thicket
#

we left the EU

crimson scroll
#

Same thing

prime thicket
#

but sure

#

wait I did buy it before we left

crimson scroll
#

Yeah so I'm talking about after tariff exemptions were removed

#

And in the US

prime thicket
#

rip

crimson scroll
#

805 is basically msrp+shipping+taxes

#

So what should be normal price

#

Considering that it's not a FE

prime thicket
#

depends where you look

#

its low on ebay

#

but only by about £30

stoic marten
#

My pc is a series x lol

#

I would recommend a cyber power or cyber storm

#

And then with a sceptre monitor

prime thicket
#

I already have a pc I'm just tryna get it to actually work

crimson scroll
#

Right now cyberpower has a promotion for 3060ti to 3070 for free

stoic marten
#

What wrong with it

crimson scroll
#

Not bad

prime thicket
#

no video out

#

and motherboard rgb wont stay on

stoic marten
#

Oh

prime thicket
#

and power switch only turns it on and not off

stoic marten
#

What pc it is

prime thicket
#

custom built

stoic marten
#

That’s even harder

prime thicket
#

yup

#

plus its my first one

#

and I've gotta do it by myself cause lockdown

stoic marten
#

Ya

#

How long have you had it

prime thicket
#

might have to drop it to my friends house to fix then he gives it back

#

fully built? probably about 16 days

stoic marten
#

Ya I could help u but customs are harder cause idk how you built it

prime thicket
#

wdym how I built it

stoic marten
#

Like if you put something in wrong it could screw it up

prime thicket
#

yeah

#

I think everything is in right

crimson scroll
#

Pretty sure we think the most likely cause is a bad motherboard

prime thicket
#

I'm getting rgb on gpu, ram and the screen turns on then off on the AIO (I assume due to a lack of software)

crimson scroll
#

But have you done the q flash yet?

stoic marten
#

What mother board is it?

prime thicket
#

I'll look for you hold on

crimson scroll
#

X570 aorus

prime thicket
#

^

crimson scroll
#

Not sure which one

prime thicket
#

elite

#

AM4 socket

crimson scroll
#

So do q flash

prime thicket
#

Will do when I have time to take the whole thing apart and put back together again

#

could it really be the bios?

#

it's not even posting

stoic marten
#

That’s why I said screw it and got a series x and those got a mouse and keyboard and obviously a desk and a monitor

crimson scroll
#

It could be

#

Not like you have anything to lose by trying

prime thicket
#

true

crimson scroll
#

If the motherboard is dead, it's beyond consumer repair

prime thicket
#

will give it ago when I've got time

crimson scroll
#

And if it doesn't work still, rma time

#

If you have another system to test on you could clear the ram, gpu, and psu

stoic marten
#

No offense but it’s a ryzen

crimson scroll
#

... And?

prime thicket
crimson scroll
#

Unfortunate

stoic marten
#

I got multiple friends that have gone through so many ryzens

crimson scroll
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Anecdotal

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Zen 3 has some issues with agesea

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But actual failure rates I haven't seen anything to suggest that ryzen cpus are more likely to fail

prime thicket
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Hmm

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What's agesea?

crimson scroll
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basically it's code that amd supplies to motherboard vendors

prime thicket
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ah

crimson scroll
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that forms the backbone of the bios

prime thicket
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Hopefully I'm fine then cause I have a 5800X

crimson scroll
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AGESA, sorry

stoic marten
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I mean u also said the switch is a problem my best suggestion is take it over to your friends house let him fix what he can and then if he can’t fix the mother board I would look at getting a new mother board

crimson scroll
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the power switch not working could be a function of the motherboard

stoic marten
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Cause that switch should be easy for him to fix I bet

crimson scroll
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don't think it's a separate issue

prime thicket
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its plugged in the right way on the motherboard so I'm not sure why that's happening

crimson scroll
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considering a power switch literally just jumps a connection

stoic marten
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yeah that's xl

stoic marten
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600inches?

crimson scroll
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also the units are...technically right? but should be squared

stoic marten
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That’s medium

crimson scroll
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medium what

stoic marten
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I’m American so idk mm

crimson scroll
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the steelseries site uses mm for everything

stoic marten
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I use a 24x36

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Bruh

crimson scroll
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but you're looking at the 4xl

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just divide by 25.4 to get to inches

stoic marten
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I’m mental I those figured that out

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What’s the glide in that thing

stoic marten
crimson scroll
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it's...fine?

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seems like a personal preference thing

idle bridge
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It's great

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I got a qck prism, very nice

stoic marten
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But like how fast

crimson scroll
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qck is considered medium control vs speed

stoic marten
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Oh

idle bridge
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Well it has two sides, basically one is plastic default mousepad, and ther other is what Saucy just said

crimson scroll
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hard pads are generally considered for speed

idle bridge
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yep

crimson scroll
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something like a glass or hard plastic

idle bridge
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If I clean the bottom of my mouse a bit (dust), I can literally blow my 650 across the hard side

stoic marten
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With a bunch of steel series stuff

idle bridge
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tbh imo qck prism is great, it got hard sided and fabric, and it has RGB lights so your aim get better

stoic marten
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I never cared about lights I those cared about the glide

idle bridge
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What type is your current pad?

crimson scroll
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it's neoprene

stoic marten
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U mean the one I use

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Ya what sauce said

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Do u mean fabric or brand

idle bridge
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QCK Prism Cloth is, in my honest opinion, the best mouse pad I've had so far