jojolion

[hard meteor]

it seems like he can apply spin energy into a bubble while go beyond is active

[tame plover]

Does anything happen with that bubble?

Or does it just stay there and we never see it again

[hard meteor]

he shoots it into a wall by accident

we dont really see him doing it again

[tame plover]

Huh

And people tell me part 8 isn’t about part 5 stuff also

A one off ability never shown again or explained?

Perfect

[hard meteor]

Scratch that according to the wiki that fingertip bubble is also go beyond apparently he can just shoot both at the same time?

I have no clue why this somehow got blocked before

[strange hamlet]

jojo moment

[tame plover]

Muahahwhahahahahahwhah

[hard meteor]

Or why he didn’t do this to norisuke and made his stand rush it

[alpine trench]

storm with the one piece laugh

[bleak magnet]

shishishishishi

[alpine trench]

Fafafafafafa

[bleak magnet]

zehahahahahahaha

[hard meteor]

Weird even rai said go beyond was different from the bubble on his fingertip

[brave geyser]

is this the thing being discussed

[tame plover]

This is dumb

[brave geyser]

why doesn't josuke just close his eyes

then they're all go beyond

[bleak magnet]

everyone should close their eyes

[brave geyser]

storm open your eyes

[hard meteor]

Idk I guess they’re the same but also different I can’t find anything that clarifies it

[alpine trench]

If Ash was before me I wouldn't be able to close my eyes

[tame plover]

What will happen

[tame plover]

Hmm.. for now let’s say I am correct

[brave geyser]

are u talking about the panel i replied to

[tame plover]

That bubble in general

[brave geyser]

i just took it as like a stepping stone

[tame plover]

With the big black outline

[brave geyser]

kinda

not quite go beyond yet

[tame plover]

But it doesn’t make sense it would come out of his hand

[brave geyser]

but still different to a regular bubble

[tame plover]

If it was a stepping stone wouldn’t it be a visible one coming out of his shoulder

[brave geyser]

nah

what do normal bubbles look like

[bleak magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-bubbles-relaxing-gif-14752796

that ig

[hard meteor]

what voids or they have stars on them

[tame plover]

You can see the Star on them

And have a single small outline

[hard meteor]

the one josuke shoots looks like it was rotating

[brave geyser]

yeah

[lapis comet]

There's a character named Diego in this, right?

[light swift]

Jojo final chapters spoilers || https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/767517934276182036/998375090716672011/SPOILER_redditsave.com_torture_dance_but_its_tooru_wonder_of_u-0qek4la85te81.mov ||

[sweet linden]

yo wtf is go beyond

how does the knowlage of his bubbles being spinning lines make him beat wou

[sudden nymph]

(It’s a secret jojolion server)

[frozen cobalt]

[minor ore]

Josuke's identity got resolved in Vitamin C lol there's nothing more to reveal

[minor ore]

Its specifically his bubbles from his shoulder, because the spin has good fortune and the bubbles surpass reality they can go over calamity

Really vague? Mamezuku literally explained it 53 times to him

But thats literal lol

Its literally what it is

Yes but the bubbles dont

Theyre in a different dimension therefore they dont exist

Theyre 1D

[frozen cobalt]

It spins so fast that it goes beyond reality essentially

Also its just a Deus Ex Machina, why are you arguing over it

[sudden nymph]

It’s like Schroeder’s cat

[sweet dune]

Schrodingers ?

[sudden nymph]

They exist and don’t exist at the same time

[sudden nymph]

Yeah but it wouldn’t let me type that because I’m on mobile

[sweet dune]

moment

[frozen cobalt]

That's not how Schrodinger's works lol

[minor ore]

That was foreshadowed from the start of the part

[sudden nymph]

Technically it was foreshadowed in the first chapter

[kind owl]

@sudden nymph, Your Stand Rank is now level 6 !

[frozen cobalt]

Also its like the beetle arrow from Part 5, its just a Deus Ex Machina

Just move on from it

Accept that it happened and get over it

[sudden nymph]

Beetle arrow way worse than go beyond any fucking day of the week

[sweet dune]

true

[sudden nymph]

Part 5 was just a mess

[frozen cobalt]

Yeah but hey it happened, no point in crying about it, won't changed that it happened

[minor ore]

And in the scene where yasuho takes it with her holding the tooth, and when rai pops one and sees the string

[sudden nymph]

It’s literally in the first chapter

[minor ore]

Yeah just like requiem and tusk act 4

[sweet linden]

This happens in chapter 1

[frozen cobalt]

I feel like Go Beyond was set up better, since it tied directly more to Josuke's power compared to the beetle arrow

[sweet linden]

Imma have to re read this

[sweet dune]

atleast Tusk 4 reappears in another part

[frozen cobalt]

Beetle Arrow was just like "well uh Giorno can't beat Diavolo's time skip so lets just make him god basically"

[minor ore]

Araki will not listen to your nerdy opinions

[minor ore]

We have not seen part 9 yet

[frozen cobalt]

Araki won't listen to your cries

[sweet dune]

the johnny flashback in part 8

[sudden nymph]

Araki does whatever the fuck he wants

[minor ore]

I meant for josuke bruh

[frozen cobalt]

Araki writing what he wants to write and not listening to the people crying about his work

[minor ore]

And he will never see it

He actively avoids social media and outside influence

[sudden nymph]

He’s too busy playing resident evil and dragon quest

[minor ore]

He's reading dragon ball super rn shhh

[frozen cobalt]

Go Beyond isn't as cool as the Beetle Arrow but it's still quite terrifying, I enjoyed both even if they are Deus Ex Machinas

[sweet dune]

he should play the Silver Case

[frozen cobalt]

I will admit it isnt good writing

[sudden nymph]

I also hate GER because of all the arguments it’s spawned

[frozen cobalt]

Lol, if its not a Deus Ex Machina, then GER for sure beats it ngl

Now the question is, would Go Beyond beat GER

[sudden nymph]

That’s the only actual worthwhile one

[sweet dune]

we dont understand how the fuck GER works so no

[frozen cobalt]

We don't?

[sweet dune]

theres like 3 interpretations of its ability

[frozen cobalt]

GER resets him to zero so he never gets hurt, sounds like we know how it works lol

[sudden nymph]

Remember how eyes of heaven thought GER’s ability worked

[frozen cobalt]

Go Beyond transcends reality so even calamity can't beat it, it would probably bypass GER's reset

[minor ore]

If the bubble doesn't really exist then how can GER affect it (unless its bullshit power spreads to all dimensions and realities)

[frozen cobalt]

I played it and forgot, how did they interpret it

[sudden nymph]

In the game they interpreted it as “it can only reset things it punches”

[frozen cobalt]

Must've been a translation error

[sweet dune]

one can believe that GER nullifies any attack before it happens

[sweet dune]

which is the common thought

[frozen cobalt]

Maybe, I'm no expert when it comes to Tusk, so its a maybe

[sudden nymph]

Couldn’t they have just made GER his super and when he uses it no attacks can affect him for like 5 seconds

[frozen cobalt]

Okay yeah it transcends reality for sure

[minor ore]

GER is the most busted unfair ability it can literally shoot heat lasers out of nothing bruh

[tame plover]

Go beyond doesn’t transcend reality because of spin? It transcends reality because of the infinitely small string that makes up go beyond

[minor ore]

The string is spinning

[frozen cobalt]

Its centered around spin lol

[sudden nymph]

My biggest complaint about eyes of heaven and all star battle is that all the supers are just damage cutscenes (to my knowledge)

[frozen cobalt]

Spin allows it to transcend reality

[tame plover]

It literally doesn’t matter that they spin, the whole point is that they are infinitely small

So they “don’t exist”

[frozen cobalt]

Isn't the entire point that they are spinning so fast that they cease to exist? Aka transcend reality

[tame plover]

No??

[hard meteor]

yes

thats said by rai

why would spin not be relevant its the main function to go beyond

[frozen cobalt]

Go Beyond is a thing cause of spin

[tame plover]

No I’m not say spin isn’t relevant at all

[minor ore]

Are you really surprised? If it can be seen anywhere in nature that's just the next possible step

[tame plover]

I’m saying it transcends reality because of the infinitely close to 0 thinness

Of the string making up go beyond

[minor ore]

Yes

Which happens because of the string that's spinning

So

The spin

[hard meteor]

yes and thats caused by spin

[tame plover]

At least the wiki agrees

[tame plover]

Uhm what? We literally talked about yesterday with the bubble that got energized by spin and it don’t become go beyond

[frozen cobalt]

"Speed combined with" ceases to exist ig

[minor ore]

The speed comes from the spinning string bruh

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 4 !

[tame plover]

Yes but the infinitely small string is a factor to it non existing

[minor ore]

And

[hard meteor]

dude...

[tame plover]

How can you deny that, it’s not only spin power

[minor ore]

Yes it is lol

"the only thing thats there is the explosive spin"

[frozen cobalt]

Emphasis on only

[tame plover]

Yea because the bubble itself doesn’t exist???

It just talked about that

[minor ore]

Dude..

[tame plover]

“If you can’t see the string nor feel it or control it… the only thing left is explosive spin”

[minor ore]

He never said left

[frozen cobalt]

"The bubbles are spinning lines" I wonder how

[hard meteor]

storm it doesnt exist because it spins rapidly to a point it cant be measured by normal reasoning

[sweet dune]

this is a pretty dumb discussion

[frozen cobalt]

Not really lol

[minor ore]

Yes it is

[hard meteor]

if you take away the spin its just string that doesnt move,it would be useless as a concept

[tame plover]

Yes but you can’t be saying that the infinitely small string is not necessary to this whole scenario?

Spin doesn’t make things not exist

[minor ore]

What?

Thats just Josuke's bubbles

[tame plover]

And it’s shown right there they are so thin that they are infinitely close to 0.. “they don’t exist in this world”

[minor ore]

They do exist in this world rai literally gets one on his finger

But the fact that they're spinning so fast makes them not exist

[hard meteor]

yes rai says this in the speech bubble

[tame plover]

Now you are pulling my leg aren’t you

[frozen cobalt]

Isn't the "string" coming from the bubbles?

[minor ore]

The string IS the bubble

[tame plover]

In the tought bubble he talks about mostly in thin of the string and how it doesn’t exist

[minor ore]

Its one piece of string

[tame plover]

And then he is talking about how the only thing there is the spin

[hard meteor]

the string forms a bubble (dont ask how)

[tame plover]

Since the generator of that energy doesn’t exist

[frozen cobalt]

What wiki is this btw

[minor ore]

Its like that sandwich hologram that was on my twitter feed

[tame plover]

Not the fandom wiki if you think that, it’s the jojo wiki

[minor ore]

And it still doesn't disprove our points

[tame plover]

Fandom wiki 🤮

It clearly seems you aren’t listen since it’s very obvious that without the infinitely close to 0 small strings, the bubble would just be a regular bubble that spins to create explosions

[ionic horizon]

Would gappy or pucci win?

Pucci i presume

[minor ore]

Pucci gets turned into a fine red paste

[ionic horizon]

Oh really?

[sweet dune]

pucci easily lol

[ionic horizon]

Hmmm

[tame plover]

Depends, which stand

[sweet dune]

unless gappy has yasuho helping

[ionic horizon]

Mih

[sweet dune]

then pucci is fucked

[ionic horizon]

And go beyond

[tame plover]

Pucci wins lol

Not even close

[hard meteor]

spin is the generator,if you take away spin from go beyond as a concept it would be about the same as a regular bubble, its like saying its the tusk nail thats important not the infinite spin energy,both of these things cant function without spin

[ionic horizon]

Aight pne more

Johnny or pucci

Again he could just uni reset

But

[sweet dune]

Infinite Spin is lock on right?

[ionic horizon]

Yea

[sweet dune]

johnny wins

[ionic horizon]

I believe so

Ooh

[sweet dune]

i havent read 7 in a bit

[ionic horizon]

7 and 4 are great

What’s the extent to tooru’s calamity?

[sweet dune]

as In?

[ionic horizon]

Just like, who could win against him

[kind owl]

@ionic horizon, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[sweet dune]

well except for Gappy no one really

[ionic horizon]

As in how powerful is his calamity

[sweet dune]

maybe johnny

[ionic horizon]

Interesting

[sweet dune]

its midnight my brain aint workin

[ionic horizon]

What happens if valentine gets calamity-ed in love train

[sweet dune]

hell redirect it

[hard meteor]

it would get sent elsewhere

[ionic horizon]

Bcs technically the stand isn’t attacking, but it is

[sweet dune]

technically speaking
Valentine has to leave love train to attack, WOU activates on the intent of thinking about it or even trying to attack it
so there are a few outcomes

[frozen cobalt]

Oh wait, what about Magent Magent's stand vs WoU

[ionic horizon]

Same goes for the lovers dan of steel

[sweet dune]

he will just be invincible

[ionic horizon]

Oh true

[quartz bramble]

just came to say

still the best part

[sweet dune]

based

[ionic horizon]

Cap

[quartz bramble]

that’s all

[tame plover]

I’m not saying spin is irrelevant 🤦 I’m saying that spin itself is not the only cause (nor the main) for go beyond’s non existance? Among things we see a regular bubble charged with spin and it just spins and doesn’t “”stop existing””. How can you guys be ignoring the fact that rai talks about the infinitely small strings and then talked about how the bubble doesn’t exist in this world with the only thing existing is the spin energy? Without the infinitely small strings it would jus the a normal bubble spinning. This conversation started entirely because patch said ta4 nails were beyond reality and have the same qualities as go beyond which they clearly don’t since it’s not even the same kind of spin. Now to reiterate since you seem to miss the point I am not saying spin is unnecessary for go beyond, I am saying the small lines are very necessary to make go beyond what it is

[sweet dune]

https://imgur.com/WV7rLMM

[ionic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/jojolion-gappy-dancing-dance-moves-josuke-higashikata-gif-17718737

Can gappy take away stands with bubbles?

[sweet dune]

no

[ionic horizon]

Ah

What can he take?

Just like physical traits?

[sweet dune]

mostly

[ionic horizon]

Alright

[sweet dune]

!w Soft & Wet

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Soft_&_Wet

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Soft & Wet

Soft & Wet (ソフト＆ウェット, Sofuto Ando Wetto) is the Stand of Josuke Higashikata, originally belonging to Josefumi Kujo, featured in the eighth part of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, JoJolion. It is a humanoid Stand with a mechanical and sailing theme to its appearance. It can create bubbles that will steal properties and objects.

[ionic horizon]

Ok

Properties

[sweet dune]

Properties yeah

he cant steal shit like souls

[ionic horizon]

Sad

[tame plover]

friction

[sweet dune]

lemme rephrase

[ionic horizon]

Lmao

Gappy stealing gravity

[tame plover]

I mean what would he need to hit to take away gravity from

[ionic horizon]

The earth

Ig

[tame plover]

Welp gotta go catch a tram, cya

[hard meteor]

idk what patch said but what im trying to say is the infinitely small lines are only able to become go beyond is because of the frequency at which they spin that's all im acknowledging what you're saying about the line, its just that as a concept its not effective unless theres rotation put into it

[ionic horizon]

Bye

[tame plover]

Yea but this discussion was not what is go beyond but what makes go beyond “not exist”

And what the story leads to believe, specifically ray, is that it’s the speed but mostly the infinitely close to 0 small strings that “don’t exist”

🚊

[hard meteor]

ok

[ionic horizon]

Could steely dan technically suicide and solo anyone?

[kind owl]

@ionic horizon, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !

[hard meteor]

i still dont see where im wrong on that though rai touches one of those lines and analyses it that would mean without it rotating its visible to him and exists

i also gotta sleep its gettin late

[ionic horizon]

Gn

[hard meteor]

night

[tame plover]

Oh shit what time is it for you

If you’re still awake

metal 💤 rn

4 minutes to sleep is a super power

[sweet dune]

i should go bed soon too

[tame plover]

What time is it for your?

You*

answer

[sweet dune]

almost 1 am

[tame plover]

Dang

Go sleep rn

[sweet dune]

nah

[sweet dune]

maybe in a bit

[tame plover]

As if we need more queen references

[sweet dune]

i mean its better than reusing the same song refferences

[tame plover]

Killer queen 8 is epic

[sweet dune]

true

[tame plover]

Are we at the double numbers for queen references? Or is it like 7-8

[sweet dune]

stand wise i think we only got like 3

random background queen refferences prob around 4

[tame plover]

Kq, sha, btd, bycicle race, radio gaga, (kq and sha again if you want to count that)

I think I’m missing 1 or 2

[sweet dune]

MIH

i know theres alot of ACDC and Beatles refferences

[tame plover]

Oh yea made in heaven

Huh Josuke can just make bubbles say things

[tame plover]

Idk bout beatleas but there is a fair amount of AC/DC

[sweet dune]

Beatles has like 10

[tame plover]

I know nothing of Beatles lol

Don’t like their music

[sweet dune]

me neither

[tame plover]

Any reference to them I know is the submarine from part 3

[sweet dune]

theres also joseph listening to them at the end of p2 and 3

White Album

Ticket To Ride

Obladi Oblada

thats all i can think of

[tame plover]

Oh yea

Wait White Album is a Beatles reference?

[sweet dune]

yeah

[tame plover]

I wouldn’t have guessed that

[sweet dune]

on a closer look i guess Queen has the most refferences

[tame plover]

Still a good contender

[minor ore]

He has such an ability with so many extents to it, its incredible, i want the bubble speaking explained tho

[crisp vigil]

rubber soul

while my guitar gently weeps (track on the white album)

[brave geyser]

didn't he just trap the sound inside a bubble

like he said it first and put it in a bubble

then when it pops whatever is inside gets released

[sinful bramble]

I assume so

[pastel night]

Do you guys have the image of Soft & Wet holding a shovel

[pastel night]

Hooray thanks

[tame plover]

But how didn’t daiya hear it? Also we don’t see that

[sinful bramble]

Dieya

[brave geyser]

hear what

[sinful bramble]

Her actual stand is switching between being blind and being deaf

[brave geyser]

what chapter

[proud current]

bohemian rypsody and made in heaven

[proud current]

bealtes are said 4 times in the 14 holy phrases which i think is a refrence

[brave geyser]

!w daiya

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Daiya_Higashikata

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Daiya Higashikata

Daiya Higashikata (東方 大弥, Higashikata Daiya) is a secondary ally featured in the eighth part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, JoJolion. Introduced as an antagonist in the "California King Bed" story arc, Daiya becomes a neutral character in subsequent arcs.

[proud current]

also eirina and lucy steel are bealtes refrences

[tame plover]

Don’t mind the first thing, no idea what I was thinking

[bleak magnet]

bubbles have sentience

[tame plover]

Ckb 3

Nvm looking close I guess he did?

It’s weirdly shown

Since he like talks to the bubble

But I guess it’s meant to be he touches his lips and talks

One big tooth

The whole scene is weird actually

She doesn’t feel the bike get lighter

Nor hears Josuke getting on the branch

Only noticed when his arms aren’t around her

[brave geyser]

maybe he keeps his feet on the ground

he also had to tell her when he was on

although that may have just been to say that hes in the position

[tame plover]

Nah he gets on the bike

[brave geyser]

and not just on the bike

[tame plover]

Sure one foot on the ground but you would still notice

[brave geyser]

he has strong legs

long too

[tame plover]

Lifts his entire body on an incline with one leg

[brave geyser]

he used soft and wet to remove gravity

[tame plover]

Oh so true

[oak wadi]

No lipstick? 🤨

[sinful bramble]

True

Gapper? More like Hacker!

[crisp vigil]

hacker more like josuke higashikata

(sailor edition)

[sinful bramble]

Jousuke

I love Jousuke, Joubin and Joushouu

[alpine trench]

tf

[brave geyser]

and what is the difference exactly

[tame plover]

perfect shaping of fur

[brave geyser]

yeah?

took it

[tame plover]

wow that looks like a shit bubble

[brave geyser]

put back in same arrangement it took

[brave geyser]

josuke doesn't need toilets

[tame plover]

sleepin

[alpine trench]

he chillin

[tame plover]

also why is the cat here white and on the camera is like a darker shade? unless it's for the sake of cooler panel

[brave geyser]

is this before or after fur yoink

im not checking the chapter

[alpine trench]

before fur yoink

[brave geyser]

too long

[tame plover]

also the cat like changes expresions

[tame plover]

before

[alpine trench]

more like mouth angle tbh

[tame plover]

we don't see the actual yoinking

he looks at the cat

and immediately after he looks at the camera and is forming a bubble

yea it still was sleeping even after

[placid swift]

he copied cream and spawned little cream bubbles

[tame plover]

damn Holly Joestar-Kira is 52

looks amazing for her age

[oak wadi]

Me to myself

[placid swift]

who needs hamon to stay young at 50 when you can just be asleep for 90% of the part

[tame plover]

omg tskr reference (or is it the other way around?)

[placid swift]

morioh reference omg

morioh referenced morioh from jojo's bizarre adventure

[hard meteor]

Why is his hand shaded so weirdly

[tame plover]

huh what could this be

weird art to just add and not be a reference

[placid swift]

omg its the world from part 7

[tame plover]

nah probably part 9 mc stand

[placid swift]

the one who drew it is the part 9 mc

[tame plover]

he do be having a hat

omg josuke rejecte yasuho 😱

(totally not taken out of context)

[minor ore]

omuagad

storm do me a favour rq

[tame plover]

better ending for jojolion, Josuke dies after triping thanks to born this way

[tame plover]

?

[minor ore]

could u check my warns if u can

i wanted to see if i have any i cant remember

[tame plover]

1

[minor ore]

as i thought

twas for the dumbest thing too

[tame plover]

on the 10th of january you did "gatekeeping"

[brave geyser]

the world obviously

[minor ore]

mod was power tripping

[tame plover]

L motorcycle

clearly a regression of art compared to Joseph motorcycle

[minor ore]

L motorcycle

mines a W motorcycle i dont ride it with women i ride with the boys

can and will be taken out of context

[tame plover]

[hard meteor]

missed opportunity shouldve had more biker yasuho

[tame plover]

non popping bubble non popping bubble

[minor ore]

missed opportunity to kill yasuho in the chapter she is introduced in

[tame plover]

ugly ass

[hard meteor]

wihtout decent editors around he wouldve probably done that

[tame plover]

paisley park op

it can tell where enemies are coming from

I don't remember Haruno being revealed so early

❤️

Maybe it's too early for emotional stuff but this is still a very impactful scene

[sweet dune]

that scene made me cry

[strange hamlet]

ikr

[bleak magnet]

when did that happen

i think i read the wrong jojolion

[strange hamlet]

yes you did

this is the right jojolion

[sweet dune]

chapter 35 "Crazy Little Things Vengeance"

[bleak magnet]

ok

[kind owl]

@bleak magnet, Your Stand Rank is now level 12 !

[sinful bramble]

This is so sad

[sudden nymph]

Truly Araki knows how to write such a impactful scene

[alpine trench]

I don't remember this... who is the guy on the right?

[tame plover]

I know he can be forgetable but he was meant to be the protag remember?

Before Araki gained braincells and made Haruno the protag instead

[alpine trench]

Like that character named after a dog?

[tame plover]

yea! He had that dumb plot of not remembering who he is but then he figures out immediately

[alpine trench]

I hated him, had to skip the first 15 chapters to get to a good point in the story

what happened to him?

[tame plover]

pretty sure he just gets side lined and dissapears till like the last chapter

he comes in with this dumb ability that "doesn't exist"

[alpine trench]

another character that reappears in the ending, helps a more interesting character and dies some chapters after I see

[tame plover]

sadly a trend in jojolion

[strange hamlet]

zamn

SBR and SO have some fire panels too

[ancient nova]

So are Rock humans extinct or just the ones residing in morioh?

[hard meteor]

theres probably more in other countries

[strange hamlet]

best part 5 panel

[oak wadi]

Real

Anyway early JoJolion is my favorite artstyle ever

Flawless

I like square faces more

[strange hamlet]

same

peak jojo art style

[oak wadi]

I love it a bit too much

I'm literally obsessed with the way the chins are drawn

Why didn't Araki stick with this artstyle?

I like the newer one, but early JJL is just better

[solid yew]

we’ll see how part 9 art is

maybe he’ll revert back

or maybe evolve into even better

who knows

[dim niche]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-steel-ball-run-johnny-joestar-tusk-act4-ora-ora-gif-24112052

[royal bane]

fr(fried rice)

[kind owl]

@royal bane, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[royal bane]

whew

[echo yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-and-wet-part8-josefumi-kujo-josuke-higashikata-gif-23681148

[tulip shard]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[echo yoke]

pov:you're the president of the united states

[quartz wave]

What's jojolion?

[sinful bramble]

Bad

[echo yoke]

peaklion

better than mid ball run

[atomic lintel]

Facts

[sinful bramble]

Lies

SBR is perfect

[long parrot]

If you like Joshu, you are incorrect-

[sinful bramble]

Joshu is the only good thing about JJL

I hate the rest of JJL, but Joshu is so good that he makes it my favourite part

[minor ore]

yeah

joshu is peak character

in a trash part worse than part 5

[sinful bramble]

Glad you agree

[minor ore]

thank you

[sinful bramble]

It’s been 11 months since JJL ended

[minor ore]

good

shouldve ended within 1 month

[echo yoke]

shouldn't have even started ngl

[oak wadi]

I don't like Joshu, I LOVE Joshu, therefore I'm correct

[echo yoke]

yeah he's cool

[bleak magnet]

i am joshu

[echo yoke]

he just tried to suck his moms nips coz he missed out as a child

[oak wadi]

What a deep character 😩

😔 😔 😔

Actually no, he was around 3 or something when Kaato left, so he actually sucked her nips as a baby

He's just incredibly horny

[echo yoke]

he was 3?? he looked like he was 1 tho

[oak wadi]

Even if he was 1, he still sucked

[sinful bramble]

Doesn’t really look 1 to me

[bleak magnet]

true

[echo yoke]

oh i may be misremebering then

[sinful bramble]

Here’s the full photo if you’re interested

[oak wadi]

Funny how everyone wears the same outfit for years lol

[sinful bramble]

Truly

[oak wadi]

And even the same cut 😭

[sinful bramble]

At least Jobin has some rollerskates though

Wish he used them during the part

Maybe he’d be able to run from the hair spray bottle and not die

[oak wadi]

Jobin seems to have a different haircut

Sigma

[oak wadi]

Bold of you to assume he still knew how to use them

[dusty oriole]

Do people actually like Joshu or do they just use sarcasm?

I sometimes cant tell

[sinful bramble]

He’s funny and I like the microscopic shred of character development he has towards the end

His stand is also decent

Other than that, us Joshu fans are just cultists

(And yes, it’s possible to be a Joshu fan and a Yasuho fan at the same time)

[opal hollow]

3 days

[sinful bramble]

Until

[opal hollow]

I finally fucking read this part

[frozen cobalt]

Pure sarcasm

[oak wadi]

Not sarcasm, I genuinely love him

And Milagro Man is one of my favorite arcs in JoJolion because it's entertaining

Joshu is a pretty entertaining character overall

I also have him as my Reddit🤮 username and I can't change it back, so I'm fated to like him

[sinful bramble]

Cool

[median ridge]

when i say he's the best character i am being sarcastic
but i genuinely like his character

[median ridge]

YES

I AM HAPPY WITH THAT INFORMATION

[tame plover]

when they say they like him, no
when they say he is the best character and amazing person, yes

[ionic edge]

im calling it rn if jjl ever gets animated the va for gappy will get changed

[hard meteor]

Good I don’t like his eoh voice that much it doesn’t fit

[tame plover]

it's alr

[minor ore]

This us the video if the guy killing himself isnt it

@loud fiber

That is an actual video of a guy putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger

@white beacon

@placid swift

[tame plover]

got it

[minor ore]

Thanks

Lmao

[tame plover]

fucking christ almost every channel

[white beacon]

you abnned him??

[tame plover]

he has been banned

[white beacon]

i was going to do it so i can also take out every message he sent

by manually banning through discord

[tame plover]

I deleted the messages and got tit to ban them

[minor ore]

This has been sent so many times all around discord for like years instant recongision

[tame plover]

huh first time I've seen it

[minor ore]

Well yea if you avoid servers that are going to shit/are shit

[sinful bramble]

Good

[minor ore]

Why didn't you tell me. I wanted to see

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !

[minor ore]

NOOOOOO

I lost the Jolyne role

What's even the point of living

[oak wadi]

You don't need Discord to see it

[minor ore]

thats a W

escaped unbasedism

now to escape gwessrole

[quaint imp]

Is it a hot take to say that Josuk8's va in the games doesn't fit him at all?

[kind owl]

@quaint imp, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !

[hard meteor]

not sure but i agree

[carmine flicker]

part 8 had so much underutilized stuff

like

a ton of stands

a ton of characters

and no joshu redemption arc

[bleak magnet]

same for most parts

e.g in part 5 sale's stand (kraft work) shouldve been used more

[hard meteor]

not really

[carmine flicker]

thats because sale died

[hard meteor]

i dont think any other part outright abandons a major plotline and half the cast

[untold sleet]

is there any part that did a death worst than jobin’s

[carmine flicker]

but there were so many stands in part 8 that were only used in a few chapters

[hard meteor]

part 5 stands atleast had more than 2 panles worth of screentime lol

[carmine flicker]

insert picture of love love deluxe too

[kind owl]

@carmine flicker, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !

[carmine flicker]

jobin had a lot of screentime and his stand got a lot of use at least

cant say the same about some other characters

[untold sleet]

i hate his death though

haunts me

[floral parcel]

bro i was so sad

[floral parcel]

LITERALLY SAME I WAS LIKE AINT NO WAY THAT JUST HAPPENED 😭😭

[untold sleet]

i didn’t think he died

[hard meteor]

90% of the community didn’t even believe he was dead until 108, that’s how bad the death was

[floral parcel]

same i was just reading and waiting to see the panel where he stands up or something...

[echo yoke]

scarg death ngl

[carmine flicker]

part 8 introduced too many characters and gave them too little time

[sweet dune]

Kids, dont play with spray cans

[untold sleet]

noo

how will i make my cool graffiti now??

[placid swift]

meanwhile the head doctor is just about to unveil his latest rock insect he pulled out of his ass

[sweet dune]

Obladi oblada

[carmine flicker]

de do do do de da da da got more time than half the fucking cast

[untold sleet]

jobin choking on a fish bone would have made a better death

[placid swift]

i heard the rumors of jobin dying and thought he was gonna sacrifice himself to cure tsurugi the old fashioned way

[untold sleet]

which one is de do do do de da da da

[sweet dune]

The floorboard one

[carmine flicker]

the rock bug that wou pulled out his ass

[untold sleet]

no thats dio tit

[placid swift]

fuk i thought you said obladi

im a bit blind cuz i traded my ears for a bigger dick

[untold sleet]

hmmm

[tame plover]

that sentence makes great sense

[untold sleet]

yes

it does

[placid swift]

i have the greatest pair of eyaess

i can see eeverythinb so well

[untold sleet]

hi storm

[placid swift]

eventhough they may be rock rnight now

[hard meteor]

I still to this day don’t know why obladi was a thing, removing it doesn’t change anything outside of josukes rock face being less cool, and go beyond getting shot slightly later

[tame plover]

hi may

[untold sleet]

!w de do do do de da da da

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Dododo_De_Dadada
Not the correct result? Use !w page de do do do de da da da for a direct link or !w search de do do do de da da da for a list of all hits.

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Dododo De Dadada

Dododo De Dadada (ドゥードゥードゥー・デ・ダーダーダー, Dūdūdū De Dādādā) is a tertiary antagonist featured in the eighth part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, JoJolion, specifically in the "The Wonder of You" story arc.

[tame plover]

!w de dao dod dea

damn

[untold sleet]

oh ye thay little crane thing

[minor ore]

narancia's is just as bad i'd say

[placid swift]

!w nut

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Nut_King_Call
Not the correct result? Use !w page nut for a direct link or !w search nut for a list of all hits.

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Nut King Call

Nut King Call (ナット・キング・コール, Natto Kingu Kōru) is the Stand of Joshu Higashikata, featured in the eighth part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, JoJolion. It is a humanoid Stand with a nuts and bolts theme. Its power is to conjure nuts and bolts on objects or people, disassembling and assembling them as if they were mere pieces of a machine.

[untold sleet]

how have you been

[placid swift]

narancia's death at least had some buildup and payoff

[tame plover]

hanging on by a thread infinitely close to 0

[placid swift]

jobin died and no-one had a reaction

[tame plover]

hbu

[untold sleet]

i feel like narancia’s didn’t leave me going like “wait he’s dead”

[untold sleet]

sick but i feel a lot better and basically completely fine now

[tame plover]

nice

[untold sleet]

and no school

[alpine trench]

i need school in my life

[hard meteor]

Narancias death is genius writing compared to what happened to Jobin, not a single person in his family besides joshu reacted to it, there is zero emotionally payoff to it, and it’s not even brought up in the conclusion

[carmine flicker]

imma be completely honest i forgot jobin even died

[tame plover]

you see, what you are not getting here is that

[echo yoke]

he just dies and thats it

[kind owl]

@echo yoke, Your Stand Rank is now level 8 !

[tame plover]

that

yes

[brave geyser]

it was important

you think he would let josuke choose the cake?

[echo yoke]

imma be honest too i don't remember most of the shit from jojolion im gonna have to reread

[minor ore]

imagine dying

just get good

[tame plover]

just live

[echo yoke]

just don't die

[strange hamlet]

just don't die

[echo yoke]

fuck

[strange hamlet]

[floral parcel]

omg when i watched that episode for the first time i was like i bet he is gonna die then boom he did 😭😭

[strange hamlet]

unironically

[alpine trench]

Well it was just Jobin, he had no relationship to any character, he didn't associate or targeted any of them in any arc, the story wasn't developing him from the start or pointing him out as the main villain, he did zero to none in the 2 scenes in which he appears to fill the background so eliminating him with no payoff is only fair for he was barely a character to begin with

[hard meteor]

i appreciate you describing every side character in 8

narancias death is still unfortunately genius writing in comparison to a seinen part written monthly

[tame plover]

metal you are missing the bigger picture here

Jobin is cool

Dr. Kira is in this part

so by default it's a forgiven fault

boom

[strange hamlet]

Dr. Kira carries jojolion

[untold sleet]

but

haruno

[hard meteor]

sure, but is his death good though?,no
is the writing good after chapter 92?, no
does part 5 have better character conclusions?,suprisingly yes

[strange hamlet]

haruno is goated

[tame plover]

hmmm no.

my evidence?

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[alpine trench]

Good facts, sadly I will consider them as opinions and blatantly reject them

[carmine flicker]

tsurugi and joshu

[alpine trench]

who?

[sharp dune]

More than enough evidence

[sinful bramble]

Exactly

metal’s just a hater 😤

All rise for storm

[bleak magnet]

fr

[sharp dune]

Fr fr

[strange hamlet]

fr

[minor ore]

Storm is mid

Mando >>>>

[minor ore]

No u

Whats he gonna do

Mute me??

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-laugh-gif-14749580

[strange hamlet]

Patch >>>>

[tame plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yesyesyesyesyes-jojo-gif-8822335

[minor ore]

Fuuuck

[woven anvil]

@minor ore has been muted
Reason: get good

Mando#4887 has been unmuted

[minor ore]

Nah

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 26 !

[minor ore]

Every time he opens his mouth its just another dumb theory of his

[tame plover]

blue names > patch > jolime > mando

[sweet dune]

Thats based

[strange hamlet]

damn

[untold sleet]

patch?

[sweet dune]

The fucker who started a 2 hour multiverse fan theory debate

[untold sleet]

what even

[strange hamlet]

that conversation was wild

[minor ore]

he thinks parts 1-6 and 7-8 are connected through some kinda of jojo multiverse

[minor ore]

i'm glad i missed it

[tame plover]

jolime v2 (without the faking disorders.. yet)

[untold sleet]

but he’s right

i still do not know who jolime is and what they did

[sweet dune]

We nees godza back

[strange hamlet]

the mf who said that Kars can come back to the earth by farting and lighting the fart on fire

[tame plover]

fr?

[minor ore]

from what storm and hugo said

[tame plover]

may you are missing massive server lore

[minor ore]

they sound like they were an idiot

[untold sleet]

whags a jolime storm

[tame plover]

They were a huge idiotic prick that faked autism to get out of arguments

[untold sleet]

please

[minor ore]

lmao

that conversation was wild as well

[untold sleet]

how do you use autism to get out of an argument

[sinful bramble]

Most normal jojo theorist

[strange hamlet]

also the guy who said that D4C is base valentine

[untold sleet]

”damn autism kicking in i need to piss bye guys”

[hard meteor]

wait that was patch?

[strange hamlet]

yes lol

[minor ore]

"Valentine is the stand" 🤓

[untold sleet]

TRUE

[tame plover]

bassically saying because of their autism they couldn't understand certain things, also used it when getting fucked on bassically saying "stop all of you correcting my head hurts" and making people feel shitty for rightfully calling him a idiot

[strange hamlet]

"MF stands ARE the users" 🤓

[minor ore]

lmfaoo

somehow that statement is always hilarious

[hard meteor]

the valentine thing isnt technically wrong though,wihtout d4c there is no "base" valentine

[tame plover]

I had to suffer thru that conversation in person

[minor ore]

and the fact the man said it with confidence too

[tame plover]

yes but also d4c isn't base valentine and stands aren''t users

[sweet dune]

I had to suffer through deez

[strange hamlet]

Storm is one of many Patch victims

[untold sleet]

just say english isn’t your best language

smh my head

easier to say you don’t understand

[minor ore]

so patch is new main antagonist, got it

[hard meteor]

yeah the stands are users thing is wrong its why i said technically

[strange hamlet]

he's probably just a side villain

[minor ore]

hmmmm

probably

who will beat him up tho

and how many chapters do we have to wait for it to happen

[untold sleet]

me

because i need to meet them first

[minor ore]

cap its obviously gonna be storm since hes the protagonist

[untold sleet]

storm’s the antag

tit’s the protag

[minor ore]

wait

[strange hamlet]

Mayhem vs Patch when

[minor ore]

you right

[minor ore]

fight of the decade

[untold sleet]

bro did you even read the manga

[untold sleet]

true…

[quaint imp]

Can we just set set a time for the great jojolion debate because all of thess jojolion haters here are kind of ruining the vibe

[minor ore]

great jojolion debate?

[quaint imp]

Yeah

[untold sleet]

what jojolion haters

[tame plover]

fake news

I am the hero

[quaint imp]

Jojolion haters vs jojolion enjoyers

[hard meteor]

but no one makes any counter arguments

[tame plover]

tit is the twist villain

[strange hamlet]

what kind of debate

[untold sleet]

no storm

YOU

are the twist villain

[tame plover]

NO

LIES

[untold sleet]

you’ve tricked everyone into believing you are the hero…

[hard meteor]

i have not heard a single argument on why killing every side character and abandoning the mcs main goal is good writing

[tame plover]

STOP GASLIGHTING ME

[untold sleet]

but really you just want to ban everyone and delete the server

[sweet dune]

Brainrot vs brainrot

[tame plover]

wait wait wait, what's the second thing about?

when was josuke's main goal abandoned

[strange hamlet]

Storm exposed

[untold sleet]

i think metal means the thing with holly

[tame plover]

you just don't get it

[hard meteor]

holly lmao

[quaint imp]

Who's holly?

[minor ore]

tit sides with the heroes and convinces us Storm is the bad guy then the author decides to reveal the twist that storm was the real hero this whole time after tit kills off somebody from the cast

[untold sleet]

🤨

[untold sleet]

you fools

[tame plover]

how was it abandoned? The entire rock human and rokakaka issue was to heal holly?

[minor ore]

its in the manga

go read it

[strange hamlet]

tit killed off Smores

[tame plover]

Do you mean unresolved?

[untold sleet]

you’re falling for it

[minor ore]

that was the saddest arc yet

[hard meteor]

and it goes nowhere,the new locacaca branch is completely destoryed

[untold sleet]

you’re reading the horrible storm scanlation of the manga

[quaint imp]

Jobin's death was definitely one of the deaths in JoJos

[strange hamlet]

[hard meteor]

josuke and yasuho outright say this and move on like it wasnt important anymore

[tame plover]

so it's unresolved, not abandoned. I mean the last panels we get of josuke and yasuho talking about how there could be more fruits in certain islands

[quaint imp]

I feel like Jojolion could've used another chapter

[sweet dune]

Fruits

[sweet dune]

Another 5

[hard meteor]

thats irrelevant, regular fruits are the reason holly got the disease in the first place josuke getting another one would make the disease worse ,tooru outright says the new locacaca doesnt exist anywhere else and cant be recreated

[quaint imp]

Have you seen the yakuza 8 images? Ichiban has a ponytail

[sweet dune]

Yeah

[tame plover]

holly got the disease because of the testing of the medical drug version not the fruit. And what else are they supposed to do? Not try anything? Yasuho asks if there is no more equivelant exchange and Josuke talks about how there could be more fruit, and with that they can attempt to get a result out of it (sidenote, why can't josuke graftawniefarvlfeif).

[untold sleet]

graftawniefarvlfeif

storm’s new catchphras

[tame plover]

is this a sitcom now

[sweet dune]

No this is patrick

[tame plover]

we each have a catchphrase

[untold sleet]

i am not sitting

so probably not

brb googling what a sitcom is

[tame plover]

laughtrack shows

[untold sleet]

oh it’s the “funny” shows

[hard meteor]

what else are they supposed to do? Not try anything?
this is why the conclusion wasnt good it removes the only possible way to resolve josukes goal and araki pretty much made it impossible

[strange hamlet]

shows that use the laughing sound effect every 20 seconds

[tame plover]

josuke gets good and learns that josefumi made the new rokakaka fruit and he grafts it ez

or there are different variations of the fruit... or he just grafts it like a normal human being

grafting is such a wild concept honestly

[quaint imp]

I wonder if Araki is just going to resolve the holly plot point within like the first 10 chapters of jojolands

[tame plover]

like cmon it doesn't take a magic ghost punch to graft

ez

[untold sleet]

you can finally graft the nuts you need to mute me

[woven anvil]

@untold sleet has been muted
Reason: An Unspecified Reason

Abstract Mayhem .-.#2878 has been unmuted

[hard meteor]

i guess we're all just pretending the new locacaca didnt exist and was said it was impossible to recreate

[untold sleet]

See

I do not lie

[tame plover]

why would it be impossible to recreate

[hard meteor]

i dont understand why i have to keep repeating the argument while
no else listens lol

[tame plover]

what

[quaint imp]

What even is the argument? I feel like I'm just not understanding your argument

[tame plover]

wasn't the argument how the main goal was unresolved (not abandoned)

[quaint imp]

There's no argument yeah the plot point was unresolved but not forgotten

[tame plover]

metal is typing too much

If I get pinged I will throw myself on the floor

[strange hamlet]

metal boutta type an essay

[tame plover]

oh shit where is the image

[untold sleet]

um

[tame plover]

(last time it was a let down)

[hard meteor]

a set of coincidences happened in order for it to become the new locacaca,tooru directly lists that it was grafted on the area of the wall eyes and that the earthquake that happened in 2011 helped create it, this is all literally outright said in 108,my point is that because of this josuke cant just graft a new one,the higashikata orchard got burned by poor tom so he cant graft it on that land again, and he even acknowledge that he would need a different fruit in general from another country

[untold sleet]

no hugo this time

[tame plover]

(hopefully this time we are actually enlightened)

[strange hamlet]

lmao

[untold sleet]

YOU GOT PINGED?

[hard meteor]

so i ask again how is this plotline supposed to be resolved

[untold sleet]

hahahaa

[tame plover]

I didn't say it was resolved, just that it wasn't abandoned

[minor ore]

Plot

[hard meteor]

it was abadoned because the solution doesnt exist anymore

[tame plover]

it's not abandoned

it's still a plot point

they will just have to find another way

[hard meteor]

prove it wasnt abandoned

[tame plover]

uhhh? I don't have my hands on jojolands chapter 1

[hard meteor]

explain any other way to make a new locacaca

ok so this isnt an argument and you dont have any counters

[minor ore]

Araki

[tame plover]

plant a new tree (of the same kind) in the higashikata orchard and graft it thru normal means?

[hard meteor]

it is an abandoned storyline

[untold sleet]

just get another fruit that does the same thing

[tame plover]

but it's not abandoned???

[quaint imp]

Well Josuk8 is going to find a new rokakaka at the Jojolands

Araki is a genius

[tame plover]

For example in full metal alchemist the start main point is finding a solution to getting their bodies back. They find out about the philosopher stone which could be the solution but decided not to use it because of how it is.

So now they are with no solution to their storyline

It's unresolved till this point

and now our characters must find a new solution

[echo yoke]

just find another tree and graft it into other trees

[hard meteor]

Tell me what these words mean

[quaint imp]

Araki forgot tbh

[untold sleet]

nah toru was just scaring them

[tame plover]

and this?

there are still more rokakakas just not the josefumi grafted ones

[untold sleet]

omg araki contradiction

[tame plover]

they meant rokakas

[untold sleet]

i mean

both could be right

[tame plover]

fraud guy

[untold sleet]

maybe there are none maybe there are

[hard meteor]

he said locacacas might exist in other lands the panel i just sent from tooru is him saying josefumis locacaca cant be found or recreated

therefore there is no longer a solution

[quaint imp]

Oh right because Rai for some reason destroyed all of the rokakaka fruits in the lab

[hard meteor]

yes this is why the ending is a problem

[untold sleet]

what is the difference between abadoned and unresolved

[tame plover]

ok not relateed to the argument just pointing out the panels you sent to fraud are non related to his statement since they didn't say grafted ones

[tame plover]

abandoned: forgotten about, not talked about, dropped. For example Fugo traitor plot but that may not count since it never even started
Unresolved: an on going plotline that has had no solution or ending yet

or it was left open ended

[hard meteor]

im using it in the context that there is no solution to a given problem

[tame plover]

for possible future continuations

[hard meteor]

araki for some reason made rai destroy the solutions and the new locacaca

making it abadoned

[tame plover]

no it isn't abandoned

it's still an on going storyline

it's unresolved

[untold sleet]

i think you guys have different definitions?

lmao

[tame plover]

abandoned would be that Araki doesn't even mention the whole problem at the end and only talks about josefumis mom and the higashikata family

but instead the plot point is unresolved

there is no current solution or ending that we know of

[hard meteor]

no it is not,part 9 was never said to be jojolion the sequel,and if it is brought up again,it will not be concluded because like ive said over 10 times now the solution to the illness is destoyed and cant be recreated,and josuke even says he would need to go to another country for a regular one

regular ones are established to be useless

[minor ore]

“Araki forgor” 🤓

[strange hamlet]

araki didnt forger

[minor ore]

Anyways who needs Holly when we have Jolyne

[strange hamlet]

who needs Holly when you have Dr. Kira

[untold sleet]

kira needs holly to be born

[hard meteor]

well i guess the "great jojolion debate" is over since no one can give any counter arguments

[tame plover]

it's basic common sense with the trend of parts 1-6 and 7-8 that JOJOLANDS will be set after jojolion (specially with the open ended ending), wether it's gappy as mc or years in the future is another question. The grafted rokakaka is gone and yet Araki sends a glimmer of hope in the idea that there are more rokakakas so there could still be a solution to be found and we just don't know of it yet. Like in the example I said before with FMA, they find a solution to their problem but can't use it (in this story for moral reasons) so the plot line is not abandoned here, it's left unresolved till our characters find a new solution or a way to get around the problem of the previous solution. Can you honestly not understand this idea metal? That the whole point at the end is the glood overview of what happens with Josuke dropping a glimmer of hope of an alternate solution? We don't know of it now (and mabe neither does Araki) so it's left unresolved

[untold sleet]

also literally his mom that he tries to save lmao

omg storm text wall spam

[tame plover]

I am giving but you just either ignore them or don't seem to understand them

Literally how can you not know the difference of an unresolved and abandon story point??

We don't currently have an answer so... it's an unresolved issue?

unresolved: question/problem without an answer

[oak wadi]

What's the argument

[tame plover]

if the healing holly plot point is abandoned or unresolved

even tho it obviously is unresolved by definition

[hard meteor]

1. i didnt deny part 9 would be set after 8 i said theres no proof it will be jojolion the sequel, which is true you wouldn't call part 6 a sequel to 5 or 4 a sequel to 3 i dont understand why you think taking place after=sequel,
   2 there is no glimmer of hope in the holly plotline thats just you and half of the jojolion readers willyfully ignoring how the fruits work and what tooru stated could not be recreated
2. you have still not refuted the holly plotline being abandoned calling it "unresolved" and a glimmer of hope is once again ignoring what was said in the story,there is no solution, josuke and tooru literally say there isnt hes just going there because theres no other fruits to gather in morioh he never said it work, with the rules established it shouldnt be possible to work either but unless you think araki will randomly change how locacacas work in the future i have no real way to take this point seriously

[oak wadi]

It's unresolved, because we may get an answer and we don't know if it's in fact abandoned

Simple as that

[hard meteor]

i dont even understand the fma comparrison cause ed and al ACTUALLY used the rules established in the world to save eachother

you are ignoring the rules set in jojolion because you and half of jojolion readers dont want to admit it was abadoned even if it clearly was

you CANNOT recreate a new locacaca branch i dont know how many times i need to repeat this

[tame plover]

1. (see image with definition)
2. I am not saying the rokakaka is the solution jesus christ. I am saying that with there still being more rokakakas out there, there could be a new solution forged from them. Let me say this again since you can't understand the last couple times I AM NOT SAYING THE ROKAKAKA IS THE SOLUTION just that the mere existence of it is a hope of something could be done to help Holly. Wether it's experimenting on them or finding a new type I don't know and nor do they have nothing to do with the storyline
3. It's not abandoned because the writer is doesn't drop it since the moment introduced, it's unresolved because there is no answer to the question "how to heal Holly". We don't currently have a solution since the only one we knew doesn't exist and can't exist anymore. And I'll say this one more I don't believe rokakakas are the solution but with Josuke mentioning that there are more fruits in the south so there is a slight hope they can try to get the fruits and do something with them or get different ones or getting another solution detached from the fruits, again not the important point.
4. I am not going to repeat what I have said about the rokakakas because you should get the point now.

[tame plover]

thank you, I have been feeling like I am going crazy over here

[sinful bramble]

Most peaceful discussion in #general-spoilers vs biggest argument in #jojolion

[tame plover]

do general spoilers "discussions" even count as discussions

seems more of a war were words are ammunition and there are 16 different sides

[oak wadi]

Not that difficult to understand tbh, explaining too much will only make both of you go crazy

[hard meteor]

until araki changes the rules on how locacacas work or theres a new solution that hasnt be given yet as of now it abadoned,it might not stay abadoned but theres no way to know,i have no reason to assume part 9 will make a new cure for holly because it doesnt exist yet

[strange hamlet]

Storm vs metal is the greatest argument of All Time

[hard meteor]

this wouldnt be an argument if jojolion fans just read hollys backstory and what tooru said about the new locacaca

[tame plover]

Why do you keep bringing this up, can you not read what I said about the rokakakas not being the exact answer?

[viral pollen]

where is the lion in jojolion

i need answers

[tame plover]

Or should I say it once more

[hard meteor]

im saying in general, literal months have gone by in this server of people coping and ignoring that the new locacaca doesnt exist anymore

[tame plover]

good for them, doesn't matter in our argument

and you included me in that group at least twice

[potent wren]

This isn't Metal vs. the people. This is Metal vs. Storm

[hard meteor]

it matters cause thats how it started

[tame plover]

no? It started with us joking about character deaths and out of the blue you mentioned the holly plot line

along with talking about random deaths

[strange hamlet]

not really since there are like 4 different discussions in gen s taking place at the same time

[oak wadi]

He always brings up the fact that JoJolion is shit and the ending has abandoned plot lines everytime someone slightly mentions JJL

[tame plover]

wait we weren't even talking about jojolion

we were shitting on patch

[strange hamlet]

yea

[sinful bramble]

Lol

[tame plover]

and joking about discord mv

[strange hamlet]

cant even remember what started this argument

[tame plover]

it started because of a random comment sent by yourself

[minor ore]

Damn

That makes metal a minor villain

Idk

[oak wadi]

Me?

[tame plover]

no

[hard meteor]

uh no? the character deaths thing was already over,fraud mentioned a jojolion debate and i replied no one has any counterarguments for the bad writing in the story

[tame plover]

yes look up I corrected myself

and that comment about the jojolion debate was about you shitting on characters dying while all of us joked around since we know there is no good argument but we just accept it

which now I don't think you picked up on

[oak wadi]

I'm the major villain who's planning to hack this server and turn every channel into a Chocolate Disco chat

[spark plover]

And I'm jotaro oxe cheng ora ora ira's bodyguard

[tame plover]

you devil

[oak wadi]

Jotaro oxe cheng ora ora ira should be mod tbh

Owner even

[strange hamlet]

Storm's rival

[tame plover]

nah

wouldn't call him a rival

[hard meteor]

well joke or not its irrelevant,there were no counter arguments made prior,and half of jojolion discussion is people arguing that all bad deaths and bad writing still means its good writing?

[tame plover]

yea we all agree they were crappy deaths