#jojolion
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Biggest tooru lover does
I have mixed feelings on it
It's kind of a GER level asspull
Even worse than that actually
GER was at the very least set up and fought for
Also the ability is just stupid as shit
How do you attack with something that doesn't exist
that's what I mean
Tusk act 4 makes sense, infinite spin means infinite potential energy
It exists on another plain of existence.
But how or why
Yes
Go Beyond >>>>> Plunder tbh
it doesnt exist because fucky wucky string theory
I still have JoJolion as my third favourite part because minor arcs are still really good
JoJolion is still my favorite part
As much as I can't stand Tooru, his arc is really good, and he himself isn't enough for me to not like the part
Might have to bump it down to number 2 or 3 depending on the ending
Unironically d8 one of the better parts of final fight
Even if the ending ends up sucking, which it might very well end up that way, I will still call it my favorite or at least second favorite part
Damn we're really opposites aren't we
I think final arc is only a bit better than part 5's
Why do I feel part 9 will continue where the last chapter left off
I say that I can't stand Tooru but he's really alright. He is nothing special to me
Because Part 9 never.
Fair opinion
Very similar to Part 5's final arc but leagues better imo
Tooru is the worst villain imo
Part 8 and 5 area actually both very similar in the end
cap
No cap
Every MVer mad except tooru purists
Cap never exists with me
Kaato and Jobin get merced
For me Kira and Valentine's best
I sold each and every one
Mid Valentine
Tooru gets little good explanation
pucci 💪
Pucci best villain
Yeah Pucci my fave villain still
no kizzy
Toorus intentions are just be rich
Part 8 was my favorite part like less than 10 chapters in
same
Bro same
Reread Part 8 then
Nothing gonna change that and they didnt butcher anything so we good
JoJolion goated start to finish
Jojolion is still my fav part
Actually yeah tbh, I started liking Pucci more than Kira lately for some reason
I want to say no but also at that point it's just theory and never really confirmed
DMQ Kira still goated
Jojolion still dope but man these last couple of chapters 😔
Even if we leave that out, he just sorta appeared Outta nowhere
I honestly don't mind that that much but I do think it might have been cool if tooru appeared earlier
Just not sure how you could get it to work
Without making him stand out too much
Maybe silhouette
Last couple of chapters are very mid
Like in part 5
or maybe
The anime adaptation should hopefully add Tooru in sooner
We did get a silhouette
The entire head doctor arc was kinda ok
No like part 5 style
Anime adaption you gonna be like 40 years old bro
he has a YouTube channel and posts tutorials on how to smuggle illegal fruits
That's stupid lol
My JoJolion rereads are just gonna read up to D8 arc and stop after 
one can dream
If you use Part 5 as a base for anything good
🥱
part 5 > part 8
become funny
Insane thoughts
How tho?
And then I just imagine the ending where Josuk8 uses plunder to beat HD and Tooru gets better lore explanation
have a good take
It's unnecessary, edgy, and wouldn't be a good concept for Tooru.
It's thematically contradictory

Anything better than what we got would be good
Have tooru go rock climbing
Reread Part 8
If it would work, I think it would be cool if Tooru was introduced much earlier as still a friend to yasuho and then he gets implicated in a non-rock human fight where he does something cool despite appearing not to have a stand, so he isn't immediately Sus af as MV candidate
Yeah see?
Wtf a normal human gonna do agaisnt rock humans bro
shovel
Also, The spinning lines wasn't explained much was it
What else do you want explained about it lmao
@minor ore, Your Stand Rank is now level 5 !
rock humans vs gun
Atleast a line relating it to johnny
I wanna know what Tooru was doing the first 90 chapters of jojolion
????????
Have tooru be a sleeper agent that wakes up when he finally sees the branch fucken sees it and immediately snaps Joshus neck
Who the fuck cares about Johnny
jacking off into a fucking trashcan at the hospital waiting for Josuke to show up
Felt like a sudden plot convenience
dirt boy fights the elderly over fruit
Did you like
Miss the entire lesson in Part 7 where Gyro explains spin is a natural thing
I was 10 when I read Sbr man
Working as the head doctor 
Tf how old are you now
14
bruh
You young ashell boi go talk to some bitches
I really liked Tooru and Satoru's buildup at first because it really reminded me of Doppio and Diavolo but it got totally cast aside
They run away when they see my 7 toes
Understandable
Wasn't Tooru locating the Rokakaka as head doc with that doctor guy
No
what if we got one of these scenes for the rock human organization 😳😳
Possible
Would be good and needed
He was in ozon baby fight
That's why poor tom got merced
Oh yeah
One of the parts I actually dislike most about JoJolion that's kinda subtle
Araki mentioning how rock humans are unable to feel love or affection in the weird chapter with Hermes the rock human ||not serious||
But seriously though I think that hurts the rock humans a lot
More than being raised by wasps?
Being raised by wasps is metal
i dont know why that was included,aisho and dolomite already show thats not true
Also how did he know Yasuho had the Stand ability to help him locate Akefu Satoru when she was
For someone who looks his age high school fits for him ig
Too obvious, unless Tooru is excluded or shown extremely more subtly/mysteriously than Risotto
Also probably to get closer to yasuho and the higashikatas
Yeah and the moment where yotsuyu is calming aisho that's really good is hurt a lot by that
I'm sad nobody jokes about Hermes being a rock human anymore
That was one of my favourite dumb part 8 jokes
When that issue first released
What if Enya is a rock human who gave birth to Dio........
And whatever his name is dad just adopted him
Enya was the mother of the hanged man dude tho
j geil
A facade obviously
Araki remembered and explained it all with that single cameo
He did it again
Oh yeah remember when xForts mistook the girl from the ring as Jesus
christ
Poggers!
xForts has some small brain takes about part 8 at times
I don't get why he disliked D8 so much
Because it was dumb
I can get it from a purely "monthly manga" perspective
Those stupid rock animals be making the arc longer than it need to be
D8, WoU, and tooru were the only good part of that arc 
not if you’re patient
^
Man this guys got some really Unpopular JoJolion Opinions
D8 peak JoJo tbh
D8 better character than Aphex Twins
If you dislike D8 you genuinely do not have any rights for an opinion about anything JoJo related from that point onward
I just like vitamin c more than I used to
Oh my god
Sorry for speaking facts 🤷♂️
aphex twin fight underrated
Where do you come from
Belgium
Aphex twin fight is cool but the twins are the most "I sleep" minor antagonists ever that isn't from part 1, 2, 3, or the Lock or surface dude
cap
I keep forgetting surface exists
Surface the best Stand no kizzy
oooooo
Gottem
Araki colouring tooru is so damn good looking
Surface more like Depth
Absolutely dripping
A fitting banner for the tooru fans, whether they think he was poorly implemented sadly or think he was implemented well enough
All tooru fans can stand behind that
Tooru fans can stand behind suit and tie wou
True
Que
That shit was just weird
It staying alive after Tooru died?
The one that tried to climb inside norisuke
Because calamity energy isn’t created by WoU or by Tooru
Wonder of U is a natural law.
Yeah fair
It’s a natural force Tooru manipulated
Tooru uses his Stand as a conduit to control it but calamity always exists
I was just sad because I was expecting the arc to finally become good 
naw it was good in the beginning, mid in the middle, and goated at the end
No NKC beatdown 
The Wonder of You is longer than all of Part 1
Yeah
he tried
let that sink in
what
yes
Tbf I just think kei's stuff was kinda weird, I really don't like go beyond, Jobin not getting a proper fight in was sad for me, and Tooru didn't get enough lore.
Mainly go beyond honestly
I like it a lot until that happens and then I really dislike it until kaato appears
Oh yeah and Joshu had a gamer moment
beats it by like 20 pages
joshu been bonked by a gutter
GTG now, see y'all
bye
Adios
can’t wait for the 2087 jjl anime with 9 episodes of WoU
Yeah it beats Phantom Blood by about 20 pages
Phantom blood was way too short
no it was a good length for what it was
I watched the re-edited version and missed some stuff
I think I’m gonna watch Phantom Blood and Battle Tendency again
good
goated decision
Can someone tell me WHY there is a two fucking second timer in this channel right now??
What does that do besides provide a minor inconvenience right now
The most painful thing is when I want to put an emoji after my first message
But someone sends another message before I get to do it
fr
hm, no
There's no way in hell that he'd be anywhere near as proficient at using his Stand if he wasn't immortal
why would he take it
Not when you have your ultimate battle at night lol
more advantages to being a vampire
yeah really
have you seen sbr
Yeah probably
human dio with the world isn’t as strong
okay i have to go! don't say anything stupid while I'm gone I won't be able to respond!
save the stupid for when i get back
okay ciao
Ok
Now that I’ve finished part 8
I’m gonna add part 8 stands to my stand tier list
Bye
Part 8 not over yet...
If it was any longer I would have never watched JoJo because of how much of a snorefest it was
Phantom Blood was boring as fuuuuck
i loved it
Phantom Blood was by far my most fun adaptation experience.
The other animated parts are just not something.
The manga is even better.
^

bait moment
🥱
no i really didn't like p7
no u
stone ocean is better
ok but sbr isnt the worst part
like jolyne is like, i have to save my father from a cult leader who wants to go over god
and p7 is mknknak i wanna walk
this is bad bait
wait what
Who dare uses my face.
he’s a corrupt priest
fate is the slavemaster in jojo
worships dio
He doesn't inherently want to dethrone Gd, but his hypocritical actions say otherwise.
The cult that remained after Dio died.
Think that's why Jotaro left his family.
even fv is a little more moral than johnny
Well yeah, but it does have its cultish characteristics.
keyword a little
Okay bait funny we get it move along
true
Nobody cares
ok
didnt everyone in dios "cult" turn into something like okuyasu's dad\
anyway, what is your favorite kind of bugs
Not that kind of cult, I mean specifically after his death.
oh ok
Not the followers that he sent after the crew in P3
ok
@tidal spear, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !
also what is bait
i have a stand?

shouldn't we move to #jojo-overall-discussion
yes, mine is called first world problems, i can't talk too much because rp is prohibited
wat r u talking about
he has stand duh
it is for a rpg that me and my friends willl have
also this part also has no dignity because to have dignity in jojo, you mustn't steal
I had to make all the list again
@unborn osprey, Your Stand Rank is now level 8 !
That shit was so fucking long to make
Dolomite stand is trash
It’s really good
Its garbage imagine putting that stand above The world or Star platinum lmfao
hey guys don't loook for a certain stand in the list
Nah, A
I don't see hey ya or cheap trick in f
don padre, you clicked on the list to see better right
Hey ya is the best fukin stand
and while you were doing that you would have to put more light in your eye
How
I didn’t make the tier list bro
Have you read sbr?
GER in highest tier
🥱

now imagine that means that a photon could hit just right to emit a eletron who gives you a stroke, right?
that would be considered a calamity, right?
Why are they both high ranked hey ya just gives encouragement and cheap trick kills the user
Lol
This is about how strong or useful they could be in a fight
So cheap trick can be really good
Hold up
Mangasee
Cheap tricks user wouldn't technically win seeing as how he would die
I think if every jojo character fought I would root for NOTORIOUS B I G
How lmao
WoU, GER, etc are all there
For all we know, Cream or The Hand alone can clap it
They can still root for it, it’ll just lose
Not WoU
I think it would make a stalemate
I should’ve added him in the list with an edit
i would root to tonio
He doesn’t fight
ger can't deffeat that
Long post incoming warning
No I mean WoU isn’t in the list
hey ya OP
insert Powerpuff girls theme meme format
Kaato MVers explaining how Kaato is the main villain despite doing absolutely nothing for 95% of the part and having no relationship with rock humans.
Tooru MVers explaining their 9 page thesis on why Tooru is actually canonically an incredibly deep character with deep motivations and theming.
Former Damo MVers explaining how every single arc after Milagro Man is actually hot trash.
Jobin MVers when their best friend accidentally slits their throat open with a knife and they are bleeding out on the floor (they could still be alive)
what is mv
main villain
Main villain
You could’ve just actually made it a meme
josh is the mv
I'm on phone and don't have access to laptop for 10 days
Oh
josh
that why i have a josh pfp
I’m sad that Scan and WoU weren’t in the list
Scan?
Scan in A and WoU in OP
Gyro’s thing
Oh yeah I just didn't see the previous conversation
I thought someone was saying scan was MV
Oh
WHY IS BRAIN STORM IN C TIER TF
Is this based on pure power
WTF IS BRAIN STORM
Urban guerilla stand
Oh
Brain storm Merced those cops in like 5 seconds and has great range
I kinda forgot his ability
bruh the rubix cubes stand
So I put him in C based on what I remembered
Idk as I said I forgot his ability
Fair fair
in what order should i watch jojo
does anyone have any links?
brain storm is yo mama withou yo mama
Ask in a different channel this is spoiler haven lol
Read Part 1, skip to Part 8.
idk where to ask
Actually true!!
He is joking
Order
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
No
I am fully unironic
Part 1 to 5 on crunchyroll or so
p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p8
6 7 and 8 are on mangadex
Bruh
bruh u guys don't know a think do you
Bro
Part 5 > part 4
anime:
watch it in order from parts 1-5 on crunchyroll or something
manga: read parts 1-8 on a manga website
literally it’s already in order bruh, it legit numbered
Wait
then he would skip stone ocean, which is best part
Part 4 then 6 then 8
Idc about your opinions
yas yes yes
Part 6 is necessary for the understanding
7 > 8 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 3 > 2 > 1
jk go 1-8 in manga to develop a reading habit
TW : Opinion
7<every other part
hey guys, who is the higashikata who is a model?
Tsurugi
Nah
<
Yes
I do actually really like tooru
Tooru was introduced too late so he couldn’t get developed and all
I just felt he was underexplained
And most of the stuff I do like bout him is just theory
Like on just how I feel about them, tooru is 2nd best for me
But based on only the part itself and no theories
He's only just above diavolo sadly
Maybe not even above diavolo
You said this same thing before you left
New people appeared
skip every part. dont read jojo
Diavolo got that multiple personality thing
go be happy
Nah, no way
Tooru got nothing
Doppio is cool
yeah go read homestuck, there is no death i think
But on just diavolo alone
Diavolo got nothing nothing
Tooru is significantly more interesting than diavolo on his own
Oh yeah if you don’t count Doppio then yes
I'm still happy Tooru is MV even if he was utilised badly
It means people will talk about him
And I like the dude and he didn't get the lore in the story he deserved
So the talk will fill that void lol
Tbh
chad baoh enjoyers
I would’ve enjoyed it if
Yo mama
Tooru got introduced from the beginning
the pause mode is still in this chat after 3 weeks
I don't get that complaint that much honestly
And then at the end we learn his true identity
I never really cared that much about that aspect of MVs
That would’ve been really cool tbh
But that would have been cooler I agree
I just don't think it's nearly as big of a complaint for me as if unless if Araki was trying to be intentionally vague with his backstory
He's just not really explained well in JoJolion
i think that’s purposeful though
Yeah
I wonder how the next chapter is gonna go
A better explanation of my stance with tooru is
like “the last person you expect is a villain” that kinda theme
If he's meant to be taken at face value, he's only a bit better than diavolo
If he's meant to be kinda up to interpretation and theory on his intentions and so, he's my second favourite
by foreshadowing more it becomes a little more obvious
It could be cool if
Yo Mama
Lucy and Fumi were Josefumi’s parents
nah
Oh yeah lol
she’s 65
I forgot how young fumi is
no
you think this is supposed to be lucy? lmao
Also forgot about that
Man
The dad still might be fumi tho
probably
15 days until the harvest of the new Jojolion
nay forgor💀
I forgor💀
Part 6 is my third favorite part
Part 7 and 8 kinda interchangeable for me in second and third place
Part 7 feels more complete and consistent as a story for me
But part 8 has some of my favourite arcs
i just don't like the plot of p7
@ripe rover, Your Stand Rank is now level 7 !
ahhhhhhh
Lmao
it’s everything you could ever ask for
cripples, cowboys, dinosaurs, jesus
what’s not to love
you’re pissy about johnny’s backstory
the reason he’s in the steel ball run to begin with is to redeem himself
yeah, even diego has more honour
Gyro’s death was so traumatizing
when where hired assassins considered innocent people lol
Main things that I dislike about 7 are
Weird character deaths at times
Beginning
Pedophilia is used way too much
death is abundant in jojo
George at the end bugs me
he shot innocent people at the end
Accidentally
it’s something you have to accept
And also sandman ig I actually didn't care about sandman that much lol
not on purpose,the whole concept of valentines ability is that harm is redirected
I didn’t get spoiled anything about it and I was there like a dumbass telling to myself « he’s not dead right ? He’s coming back right ? »
no, he knew love train power
Oh I thought you meant Diego using women as cover
not initially
besides he had no other way of hurting valentine before act 4
so like no other option than to keep shooting
yeah what was he supposed to do
or use the joestar techinique
I keep forgetting Gyro died for some reason
yeah, the cripple runs away
He was on a horse
Unless I'm mistemembering
D4C and Love train arc I kinda forgot a lot of
Was really fuckn long
I just don't get why pedophilic sexual assault is used so much lol
IG but still
doesnt really justify it
Yeah
it was like also literal rape
Like
shut up
fv stans explainig that the age of consent was lower justify the rope of a 16 yr old
Ringo backstory, Lucy backstory, Lucy with valentine 1, Lucy with valentine 2, Lucy with alt diego
Alt Diego was a whole ass weirdo
Yeah
main Diego would never 🙄🙄
og diego was based
main "sacrificed weakpipo" diego
so based he ignored death just to say he won
Rai
who didn't
Damn
truly a goat
Diego is cool tho
Diego is indeed cool , swag even.
Most underrated Diego moment is Diego at the start of scary monsters in general
Like between Johnny and Gyro finding him collapsed near the fossil and him fully becoming a dinosaur
Diego was an anti hero or anti villain
he is the oppposite of a jobro
he wasnt full villain like DIO
he accidentally killed jobros
I need the one panel where diego is flipping all over his horse at the start of scary monsters
me too please
if Nicholas was alive Johnny probably wouldn't have gotten shot and lost power in his legs in the first place
polref
cause im pretty sure he only started acting like an ass because his dad no longer saw him as a person
and acting like an ass got him put in a wheelchair
Polnareff pog
Polnareff is the best character to come out of part 3
so fv lost because of a rat
yeah
polnareff is the jojo in part 3
Part 3 has 5 good things
so it is the same kind of stand as jotaro
music animation openings ora muda
Polnareff, Hol Horse, Oingo Boingo, Vanilla Ice, and final fight
Oingo Boingo is unironically one part part 3 stands above other parts
There's not many other comedic arcs
After part 4 especially
seinen
Gyro woulda probably just try to win the race and go back to Italy , Diego would've won tho. or the mf with Hey Ya!
shinteru ze
Hey ya mf is why everything happened is my fave theory
hey ya was the catalyst for ww2
Wtf
what
Hey Ya got the holy corpse after Johnny died
no you
he was just walking down the street and the suitcase was just sitting there
JoJolion 110 will end with Josuk8 having some damaged clothes
So he goes to a clothes store and buys a new shirt
Josuke will never show up again
And the store is owned by pocoloco's son
oh oh
he got cucked out of ending his own part
guardrail
jr has his stand "Hey ya , pal ! "
||joke is that everything in part 8 happened for pocoloco jr to get more money from the shop||
Probably didn't need to explain it
pocoloco jr fruit parlor
Pocoloco got so lucky he found a stone mask and the red stone of Asia and became the ultimate lifeform
now he's ultimate - er
I like when Johnny and Gyro make the Steel Ball Bridge to cross the canyon Pocoloco and Hey Ya tricked them to attempt to cross
@analog skiff, Your Stand Rank is now level 14 !
And then Hey Ya proceeds to have a gamer moment
Wait really? I had no idea
Oh
No I'm meming
Would be funny and make sense
why?
Josuke in alt universe: pls ro ka
until he gets rocked
Joe
i am not having this battle again in this server, last time i appeared i had to win the name joe by checking who joined first
this was months ago
idk when i joined
im fine with that
part 9 starts with Josuke getting his entire body crushed by a boulder leaving only his head
his head fuses with the corpse of Saint Johnny and we get Johsuke
fuck
there are more . .
this will never end
@fallen lake, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !
i forgot that the ranks reset
sad i miss my rank
so since i've been absent for a while
yeah they got wiped a while ago
how are goose and jojodoss
seems fine
@near cedar
Man
Rock human 👀
hey guys i recently am started part 8 is yasuho alive?
No
how do we tell him 
yasuho…
died tragically
she got raped
@swift flint, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !
she fucking dies
gets blown apart
Yeah it was really gruesome
Nah she’s having a nice talk with josuke after they defeated all the rock humans.
it started with her arms
she lost one
one became 2
2 became the rest of her body
Who is Yasuho
Why is Yasuho
I'll do you one better, where is Yasuho?
when is yasuho
what is yasuho
How is yasuho
I feel like the only reason people say tooru is the main part antagonist is cause he’s the final villain
And because he is the ringleader
But other than that he doesn't have the qualities of the mv
Mushtoorum
he has an awesome op stand
Wonder of U on its own is so much cooler than Tooru
The Head Doctor/ Wonder of U carries his arc
Tooru is the main villain because he is the final substantial battle, he is the leader of the organization that the main protagonists have been fighting the whole part, he was the reason behind the motive of the main protagonist, and he's someone who cherishes memories, which is the opposite of how the main protagonist has no memories prior to the part
Last one's a stretch but sure
I still don't agree
Or, I do agree, but I think he failed as a main antagonist and was poorly written
either or
Only a spoonful
I think he’s a well written main antagonist
Source?
My thoughts and viewpoints
How is it a stretch lmao
The whole dreams and memories shit is shoehorned into the chapter where dies in
Wdym shoehorned
It’s mentioned in chapter 102 as well
You think Araki making josuke’s whole journey having no memories vs Tooru saying memories complete a person is a stretch?
Yes
Also not to mention their dynamic between how one of them has a super strong bond with their mother and the other’s last moments are spent reaching out to his only mother figure
Is that a stretch too?
Because Tooru doesn’t interact with Josuke a single motherfucking time the whole fight. There IS no dynamic
It’s so fucking forced
We are TOLD there is a dynamic but we never actually SEE it
Lol “forced” lmfao
That’s Tooru’s whole problem
Nah Tooru is an S tier villain
You are capping out your ass
I’m really not
Tooru fans relying solely on headcanon to back up their points
Headcannon lmao
There is absolutely no substance to Tooru whatsoever
Everything we know about him we are TOLD not shown
He does not exist outside of this one arc
He has no development, no character arc, barely any interaction with the cast, and vague and uninteresting motives
based
Lmao are you reading jojotiger?
What are you trying to prove here
The dreams and memories shit is mentioned in two or three chapters at the fucking most
I find it funny how you ignore everything that’s in the manga to fit your agenda
@sick igloo, Your Stand Rank is now level 1 !
Want me to show you it mentioned in chapter 102?
Why don’t you fucking explain it to me then
Everytime I explain it you call it a headcannon
So there’s no point even though there’s like 5 connections between Josuke and Tooru but somehow it’s still a headcannon
Man if u wanna hate Tooru just say so, but to say he’s poorly written is just false
Because it is. We are TOLD that he has these values and beliefs but nothing fucking else. You ever taken a writing class in your life? Have you ever heard the term “show don’t tell”?
Actually what’s funny and ironic is that you call whatever isn’t explicitly stated a headcannon
The hypocrisy is insane
No I’m telling you that you rely on everything that is TOO explicitly stated and you built that up like it’s his whole character
Bro nearly his entire character is under the surface, Araki thought his audience wasn’t dumb enough to completely miss the character but here we are
He has no SUBSTANCE. We are told that he’s got these values, we are TOLD that he is the ring leader, we are TOLD he wants to do this and that with the fruit but we don’t ever SEE it. There is no payoff
Please explain why Pucci and FV or whoever you think is good is a good villain
Fucks going on

Because his dreams were never achieved, his death is supposed to be tragic, literally the same as what he was telling caato jobins life was like, Tooru was too deluded into his own fantasy that he couldn’t accept the reality that even though he valued memories above all else he would in the end, be forgotten
Pucci is my favorite villain because he is extremely well developed, and to me he has the most interesting backstory out of the other 7 mvs. A pawn of Dio, conditioned to believe that Dio's way was the only one that was right... his one lone soldier, Dio's right hand and the last connection to the dark lord. His backstory is complex, he believes that by breaking his brother and sister up he is doing more good than bad, but in the end he kills his sister and fucks up his brother. He ruins his life, and turns to Dio for guidance. His personality and his motives are built from this essential moment in his life, as he goes his whole life trying to figure out WHY things happen the way they do, why fate is so cruel. That is why he is obsessed with the Heaven plan, because in order to combat fate's sometimes random and cruel ways, he must be able to control it
That’s a headcannon bro
You are a troll
Yeah I like Pucci too he became my favorite villain when he said "There's frogs on my 800$ pants!"
We're done here
Nah u are lmao
I’m just using ur logic against you
Tooru destroys Pucci in writing lmao
That's not logical you fucking moron
WoU looks better than Pucci's 3 stands therefore Tooru > Pucci
Lmao, I like this one
it's just too bad that he's tied to a twink prick
How can you have a Jobin profile picture and continue to bootlick Tooru so relentlessly
Cuz Tooru is a goat I can change my pfp if u want
Tooru is the best antagonist in JJBa imo
You're such a liar
Nah u are the denier of reality
Interesting
Every time someone says something good about Tooru it goes against your agenda so you call it a headcannon
Is there anything besides that
There’s a lot actually
@sick igloo, Your Stand Rank is now level 2 !
tell us a bit
Ok, what?
@flint blaze
You have no fucking evidence at all. Any and all "character" you can say for Tooru is total fucking bullshit. There is no complexity to his character because everything about him is TOLD to us. We never get to see his actions in play. He has piss-poor motives that have no fucking payoff.
Also not to mention how both Tooru and Josuke interact with yasuho in different ways and how it affects both their lives
Barely
He interacts with her in the beginning of the arc then fucks off to the woods before he eats shit and dies
Josuke cares for yasuho genuinely and builds his own new identity where Tooru only uses yasuho and manipulates her so he can steal the head doctors identity @flint blaze @light swift
See this is what I fucking mean, we are TOLD that he has this dynamic with yasuho, and that they had this relationship, and yet we don't ever SEE anything with it. Josuke gets jealous of them when he first meets them, but nothing ever comes of it. Tooru tries to rekindle their relationship but she declines and then that's it. These characters do not interact together ever again until Tooru is literally about to die and he is begging for his fucking life
That also raises another fucking question, how the hell did he know Yasuho had the ability to track down the real Head Doctor back at that camp?
Cope that Tooru is better than ur favorite villain
Okay now the argument is over
Total inability to form your own thoughts
Have a good night
randomly appoaches little girl in the forest
Nah it’s not you are just using the word TOLD and you expect me to believe that you know everything about good writing
This guys not even reading what I'm writing
for fucks sake waste someone elses time
im sensing bait
I am and I disagree if that’s what you think good writing is
And I think Tooru shows himself well with his character
What character?
incredibly powerful ablitity > good character writing
So idk what to tell you you are just really mad
No, I am genuinely curious, what "character" are you referring to?
Anything I say you will Deny because you hate the charatcer
i seend a meme
No, that's not how an argument works
Like all the dynamics I was saying you don’t care about because you hate the character anyway
Yeah with your bullshit show not tell which doesn’t explain anything
yes the fuck it does

greeny, im pretty sure he's fucking with you lol
Ok I can see what the argument is
I'm literally asking you to explain to me what about him is so good
and you fucking refuse
I’m really not lol why would I be still talking to them if I wasn’t serious
I have gone on and on about why he is inadequate as a main villain and you have given me jack
I already told you his dynamic with Josuke and I explained it but then you said it was never shown so I don’t wanna waste time trying to convince you
By the way, I don't hate him, I just think he is a horrible character as a main villain
I think he's good because he's mysterious and has a malicious auro to him
Then why the fuck are we arguing then if you don't want to spend the time trying to convince me
“I don’t hate him I just think he’s the worst thing to ever grace the earth”
That's what an argument is
yeah I'm not talking to you
Because I know people like you who are so hard in one mindset it’s impossible to convince otherwise
dat bad 
You clearly do not
omg im so sorry 😢
Because you keep saying that I'm not going to change my mind but you haven't given me sufficient evidence to make me want to change my fuckning mind
Dude won’t let people have their own opinions like newsflash people are gonna think characters are goated that you don’t like
Don’t listen to this guy he’s delusional
So you refuse to argue with me because you don't want to be shot down and now you insult my intelligence?
you're kinda pissing him off dude dont you wannt leave this whole thing alone
Get the fuck outta here
Yeah true
Tooru still miles ahead of Pucci as a villain imo, and I’m done convince you because I don’t care anymore and you clearly have different standards for writing and what you think is good. I disagree with your whole mentality on how he’s never shown to do things or no payoff so let’s just leave it at that
Still nothing to show for it
Last time I tried to show something u called it a headcannon so I’m done trying
Their point is that everything you showed was explicitly told to us instead of shown or implied. I think what they’re saying is this lowers the impact of it because it’s much more boring to simply say he did this and this instead of showing us him doing these actions and making him more of an interesting character. There is much more that can be gained from showing us those scenes and it can ultimately leave him flat
Thanks for ending the argument I tried to end five fucking minutes ago
Tooru is a rock
Rock hard because bitches are always on his dick
I think he’s actually the most implicit villain in jojo though so I find that statement to be quite comedic
You cannot handle a simple fucking debate. Good job.
U have a superiority complex 😂😂
You are a loser who doesn’t know Tooru demolishes Pucci in writing
That’d be Diavolo as we were given a shadowy figure that is completely ambiguous from the very beginning
And you wasted my time. Have a good one
Tooru and Diavolo are both very implicit villains tbh
dude you wasted his time online you gonna pay for that?
Lmao
Mans so mad that Tooru > your whole life
@sick igloo, Your Stand Rank is now level 3 !
i still refuse to believe to wasn't bait
So did Pucci 🚬 🚬
here we go again
Are you talking about me
Chicken is baiting
Oh I thought you meant part
This could be a really solid discussion tbh
@flint blaze, Your Stand Rank is now level 19 !
You think I’m baiting I’ve actually written multiple analysis on toorus character and I really like him as a villain but somehow you can’t understand that that’s a real human opinion and not bait so ok I guess call me a baiter
Bro U are sayin this when you are trying to debate me on discord
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Original!
Bro you are probably 50000 pounds
“Guys I JUST WON THE DEBATE ON DISCORD OVER WHICH CHARACTER IS BETTER HAHAHAHAHA HE CANT DEBATE ME GUYS”
Are you god?
he losing head
"so no head?"
So when head?
@acoustic island
ajajajajajaj jojolion bye bye!
I had a weird ass dream about Jojolion where Joshu had his character arc completed when he changed his yee yee ass hair cut to a fugly cow lick
part 9 thoughts?
Never happening.
araki will never die we might see a part 12 in 2100
funny!
dystopian or sci fi jojo pls thx araki
Jojo fans when Araki wants to retire and spend time with his family instead of continuing to grow old in a cramped office drawing cartoons
But still, dont be 100% doubting the possibility
It might happen
He just wants Josuke and Yasuho to be happy
araki has a wife and kids?
wth i never knew that


