jojolion

[sinful bramble]

They are not wrapping up the entire part in 90 pages

[noble vigil]

misleading as in like it seemed over and we would get a small epilogue but now it seems like the calamity still remains

[ripe marlin]

ah, nah josuke literally kileld the calamity at that last page

[hard meteor]

“Plot doesn’t matter guys jojolion is over!!!!!!?!!!!?!!!”

[fleet river]

i tell you one better, even if araki would it would feel rushed and aspulley

[tame plover]

I would say the most chapters we will get is no more than 9

[ripe marlin]

you guys seem to forget how stupid fast these parts wrap up, part 7 brainrot

[fleet river]

6

[uneven tendon]

You claim Jojolion will end in less than 2 months, when you can't even spell killed killed properly

[ripe marlin]

have fun coping but Ill see you all in 2 months when y'all are crying about plot holes

[sinful bramble]

Either way, we won’t go into the 120s, and we won’t not go into the 110s

[uneven tendon]

[prisma eagle]

I feel like JoJolion has like, maybe 5-6 chapters left.

[tame plover]

I would be more than fine with only 5 tbh

[prisma eagle]

I just don't know how it could go further than that.

[hard meteor]

You’ll be waiting for nothing then,cause there’s not even a chance this part ends in 45 pages

[viscid valve]

5-6 is reasonable but im hoping for 2 volumes as unrealistic as that could be

[minor ore]

one thing that hurts is that we're 45 chapters away from 1000 chapters in the entire series

[tame plover]

Yea chief that ain’t happening

[fleet river]

well

[prisma eagle]

Part 9: JoJolion 2

[fleet river]

i guess it's time to ask the question. do you think there will be a 9th part?

[minor ore]

JoJolion but it's a Yasuho x Josuke hentai

[hardy trench]

no

[hard meteor]

No

[prisma eagle]

Probably not.

[viscid valve]

no way is araki going to actually continue jojo

[minor ore]

no, Araki said he wants to retire at 60 and he's 61 rn

[viscid valve]

yea hes getting senile

[fleet river]

in his 60s

[tame plover]

Probably not.

[hard meteor]

He’s also not gonna write another 10 year long part

[fleet river]

wait really?

[viscid valve]

i think the reason jojolion is that long is specifically because its meant to be araki's final jojo

[ripe marlin]

I want you to look at how long part 8 took to make and tell me that araki could finish part 9 before he is 70

[tame plover]

If he does write a part 9 I’ll probably be part 2 length ya know

[quartz widget]

108 dropped early?

[fleet river]

yes

[ripe marlin]

"you claim jojolion end"

[minor ore]

if he makes a part 9 it'll be short as shit

[hard meteor]

It would be like 40 chapters max

[quartz widget]

🤓

[hardy trench]

honestly, id dig a short part

[prisma eagle]

I'd be fine if JoJo ended with JoJolion

[hard meteor]

Not even worth it honestly

[fleet river]

same

[quartz widget]

How short?

[hardy trench]

or maybe some short stories like rohan ovas

[prisma eagle]

JoJolion was enjoyable for me pretty much the whole way through.

[tame plover]

Like my pp

[hard meteor]

40 at max

[hardy trench]

just to build on a character a bit more

[quartz widget]

I still want a Manga special where it showed where the villains won

[twilit cobalt]

Where did you guys read chapter 108?

[viscid valve]

jojo part 9 more like more rohan spinoffs until arakis age 70

[hardy trench]

a link

[minor ore]

[manic lark]

[twilit cobalt]

Oh, thanks!

[tame plover]

When part 8 ends I could see we get something else like the thus spoke series or a non cannon like dead mans questions

[heavy ledge]

Josefumi ova when

[atomic abyss]

!w Jojolion chapter 108

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/JoJo_Wiki
Not the correct result? Use !w page Jojolion chapter 108 for a direct link or !w search Jojolion chapter 108 for a list of all hits.

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

JoJo Wiki

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia is the ultimate JoJo wiki dedicated to the JJBA anime and manga series from Hirohiko Araki with 3,822 articles and counting.

[minor ore]

karera ova when

[prisma eagle]

Tomorrow.

[uneven tendon]

Milagro Man 2 with Josefumi, Kira Jobin and Joshu

[minor ore]

Me want

[heavy ledge]

I feel like araki hated josefumi its not fair for my boy to have that little influence in the story

[tame plover]

We still need the josefumi family tree to know who he got the birthmark from

[minor ore]

Oh yah

[heavy ledge]

I told u its a tattoo

[uneven tendon]

Josefumi didn't really have small influence though

[hard meteor]

Yeah we need josefumi to be explained more

[hardy trench]

wasnt that retconned?

[heavy ledge]

Did and did not

[uneven tendon]

The New Locacaca was literally the branch that Josefumi stole

[tame plover]

And the one he grafted

[hard meteor]

No? It’s just not drawn consistently

[prisma eagle]

Josefumi was the one that had the idea of using the rokakaka to heal Kira which created Gappy.

[uneven tendon]

Josefumi is also technically Josuke with Kira parts

[viscid valve]

what if sleeping slaves arc but josefumi 🥴

[heavy ledge]

Yes but he showed up to graft the branch and he said 'a mimir'

[tame plover]

Josefumi is as important as Kira

[fleet river]

HOLY FUCK YES

[heavy ledge]

I want more

[prisma eagle]

Anyways, can't wait for the spinoff where Josefumi, Kira and Karera commit immense amounts of tomfoolery in Morioh.

[hardy trench]

were getting more

[heavy ledge]

No karera please

[minor ore]

Yes

[minor ore]

Yes karera please

[tame plover]

Right now im trying not to hype myself up or put my expectations too high tbh

[heavy ledge]

No karera. Society has gone past through the need of her

[minor ore]

No we need her

[hardy trench]

karera felt kinda underused

[heavy ledge]

They dont know her. That pic is fake and gay

[minor ore]

No shush

[uneven tendon]

Karera return soon

[heavy ledge]

No

[hard meteor]

Yes

[heavy ledge]

No

[viscid valve]

wasnt the conclusion of karera's arc that shes a free spirit and she chooses not to involve herself in the plot

[molten crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0txfYV_kX0
Did the thing

[heavy ledge]

She said she wanted the fruit and she would come back

[hardy trench]

why he talk so slow

[molten crane]

because I'm sad

[hardy trench]

oh thats you!

[molten crane]

yeah lmao

[viscid valve]

yea im putting the speed on 1.75x

[twilit cobalt]

Just finished and all I gotta say is YOOO

[tame plover]

subscribed

[molten crane]

beautifull

[molten crane]

fair

[crisp vigil]

😳

[viscid valve]

still subscribed ^^

[hardy trench]

good vid

[molten crane]

legend

thanks

[quartz widget]

Chapter 108 has me malding

Is it a 1 day wait period before we can talk about it?

[heavy ledge]

We can talk

[quartz widget]

||tooru almost lived but this does parallel kira’s death||

[brave silo]

||insane shit this chapter holy||

[quartz widget]

Omm but I’m happy

My favorite chapter

[brave silo]

Actually insane monologue by Yasuho also

[twilit cobalt]

100% agreed

[kind owl]

@twilit cobalt, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[crisp vigil]

yo was yasuho’s “jojolion” monologue the first time “jojo” was said in the part?

[quartz widget]

||I personally think a little more should of happened when wou tried to escape but it’s whatever||

[molten crane]

yeah

[crisp vigil]

i really feel like daiya should’ve nicknamed him jojo

[sage crag]

Yasuho do be breaking 4th wall tho

[quartz widget]

||also this means wou can live after the users death right?||

[robust ibex]

wow what a crazy noisy bizarre adventure josuke. we truly are the jojolion

[hardy trench]

maybe, maybe not

[quartz widget]

I think so

[errant blade]

i think that happened purely to give josuke a hero entrance and pose

[hollow abyss]

I just read the new chapter now

Damn, that was intense

[brave silo]

and cool

[minor ore]

Yah

[twilit cobalt]

I still don't think JJL is that close to ending lol. Lots of unanswered stuff

[noble vigil]

is it just me or have these last few chapters been some of the best chapters in jojolion?

[hard meteor]

[robust ibex]

araki will just finish it in part 9 italy boogaloo

[hollow abyss]

For real, so....what happens next? ||Are we coming to an end of Jojolion? :(||

[brave silo]

[twilit cobalt]

I think it'll still take a while

[noble vigil]

like honestly these chapters solidify jojolion as being my favorite part

[robust ibex]

watch part 9 bring back the zeppeli family for the new jojo

[quartz widget]

||I think we’ll get 2 more chapters at most||

[heavy ledge]

Yasuho ||named jojolion jojolion||

[twilit cobalt]

There's a lot of unanswered stuff in JJL so we'll probably see a good bit more

[minor ore]

She wrote it

[twilit cobalt]

I'd say maybe 4-5

[quartz widget]

Hell naw

[uneven tendon]

5-6

[minor ore]

No

[sage crag]

Jojolion end
it's all a story that Yasuho wrote

[errant tiger]

IM SORRY

[kind owl]

@errant tiger, Your Hamon Rank is now level 6 !

[minor ore]

Yes

[hollow abyss]

We'll probably get a few chapters of the characters. Kinda like how Diamond is Unbreakable ended.

[errant tiger]

BUT WHERE CAN I READ THE NEW CHAPTER O.o

[uneven tendon]

Truther

[quartz widget]

Pins

[brave silo]

coolest shit ever change my mind

[hollow abyss]

Look at pins

[minor ore]

Pins

[errant tiger]

tyy

[minor ore]

Josuke is hot

[twilit cobalt]

Yeah, that's what I think. A lot of unanswered questions are about certain characters. So I think 4-5 chapters at the most

[sage crag]

Josuke was acting so weird :l

[quartz widget]

Dumbest shit I’ve every read

[brave silo]

What?

[sage crag]

Nah
suddenly he turnt into some dude who saved everyone and that's it

[minor ore]

Bbbb

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

[sage crag]

maybe was just my impression but well

[quartz widget]

Bruh he’s the main jojo what do you think was gonna happen?

[twilit cobalt]

DiU be like

[brave silo]

Mate, he literally just got there and said "get the fuck out i am CLEANING THIS SHIT" nothing more

[minor ore]

He’s gonna be the main villain

[hard meteor]

What?,he’s the main character lol

[sage crag]

yeah, he still seemed off

[quartz widget]

Kira takes over

[twilit cobalt]

Didn't they say something about Kira this chapter?

[heavy ledge]

My dear sailor

[hollow abyss]

So...haruno...flashback man....¿donde está?

[hard meteor]

Wou mentioned Kira yeah

[hardy trench]

I HATE THAT GUY

[sage crag]

he still seemed off

[hardy trench]

haruno is def the worst jojo character to ever exist

[lost slate]

crack theory i just thought about just as i was going to go to sleep, due to the equivalent exchange tsurugi absorbs certain parts of tooru thus 'changing his heart' as referred to in the 'new rokakaka' flash forward chapter

[quartz widget]

i hope before araki ends jojo we get another female jojo

[hollow abyss]

Lmao

[hollow abyss]

Alternative jolyne?

[hardy trench]

damn this cool down needs to chill

[brave silo]

go beyond

[quartz widget]

kinda

[kind owl]

@quartz widget, Your Hamon Rank is now level 10 !

[minor ore]

Hot

[lost slate]

it's an awful theory, but i just realised something

[quartz widget]

it would kinda be like jolyne and giorno

[heavy ledge]

He has just witnessed two people die, has been half eaten by cookies, has seen her mother in a coma, ofc he was off

[robust ibex]

so, im predicting the final jojolion will come out around the end of the year

[hollow abyss]

Soooo, mafia New York lady

[robust ibex]

if this isnt the last volume of course then its like 2 more issues

[twilit cobalt]

I'm gonna stick with 4-5 more chapters

[lost slate]

While Tooru was the one looking for a senile doctor to impersonate and use for his own gains, he was the one being used by WOU

[winter spade]

Man, despite not knowing a lot about him, Tooru finally dying and realizing that despite his arrogance, all he was in the end were dreams and memories kinda hitting hard ngl

[quartz widget]

yessuh

[sage crag]

Josuke being the protagonist doesn't mean it's normal to him to turn into "the savior" suddenly

[quartz widget]

cope

[brave silo]

cute

[kind owl]

@brave silo, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[robust ibex]

jobin is rip confirm
this is so sad
can we hit 5 likes

[kind owl]

@robust ibex, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

[minor ore]

Yah I loved that

[hollow abyss]

Does that mean jololion, will probably end in like around late Autumn - early winter?

[winter spade]

Depends

[sage crag]

Two chapters and it ends

[twilit cobalt]

Amazing pin let's goooo

[manic lark]

important pin

[sage crag]

pog.gpjn

[brave silo]

cute pin 😳

[quartz widget]

is kaato dead?

[sage crag]

yes?

[hollow abyss]

ITS STILL 2 LIKES

[twilit cobalt]

I think so yeh

[winter spade]

Yes seems so

[quartz widget]

i wanna see space trucking again

[hollow abyss]

Bump it

[winter spade]

Calamity energy isn’t kind

[quartz widget]

i hope we get some more art for some of the stands in the last chapter

[robust ibex]

i dont want no space trucking
i want some of that space fucking

[sage crag]

based

[quartz widget]

only good reply

[brave silo]

mate about to turn into a titan or sum shit LMFAO

[hollow abyss]

So, whats gonna be the aftermath of the rest of the crew?

[quartz widget]

wou tryna get reborn lmao

[winter spade]

Also big deeps on araki revealing that calamity energy is just around in some form or another and Tooru just manipulated that with his stand

[manic lark]

i read it as "mate about to titan cum"

[hollow abyss]

Maybe Josuke will find out more about himself, next chapter?

[brave silo]

[winter spade]

Dude if we get flashback man reveal next chapter and then jojolion ends I will literally eat a brick

[hollow abyss]

Flashback man, is the next JoJo, can you imagine

[manic lark]

i mean, look at this mate's face

[nocturne whale]

plus ultra

[uneven tendon]

It's not similar at all to Love Train

[brave silo]

[sage crag]

tbh what the fuck is calamity energy

[brave silo]

karma of sorts?lmfao

[manic lark]

"titan cum"

[brave silo]

[winter spade]

But I feel like a lot of this happy ending stuff is Tsurugi’s PMK at work

[robust ibex]

dropping a bar of soap on the ground while taking a shower and getting impaled with a toothbrush a few feet away

[brave silo]

that should explain stuff

[hollow abyss]

Well, it's great to say that I've read Jojolion while it's about to conclude. I think this calls for a re-read of steel ball run to Jojolion again

[robust ibex]

this is calamity apparently, though i still dont think calamity is the right word still

[manic lark]

"big calamity energy"

[sage crag]

if it's something "exist in this world and can never go away", then it's weird how go beyond can ignore it

[brave silo]

it's karma but it's like 20 times worse and happens with the most dumb shit

[robust ibex]

i still think disaster would make for a better word

[sage crag]

anyways it's a little incoherent

[robust ibex]

also i guess kyo/kei and rai are fucking rip still

[winter spade]

And Kaato now too

[robust ibex]

f in chat

[hard meteor]

All 3 got cucked

[winter spade]

Araki had to kill off the characters with the biggest dumpy or else the head doctor would’ve been defeated immediately

[sudden nymph]

The volume art Isn’t finished yet so I wonder what the next volume will be about

[hard meteor]

I’m assuming the stuff about Karera and potentially flashback man

[sudden nymph]

It seems more likely he’s a premonition man at this point

[winter spade]

Probably

[brave silo]

Jojolion trending on twitter.com

[winter spade]

Ok so how long until the flashforwards now

A few hours?

Well he knew about the concept in relation to Josuke’s bubbles

[robust ibex]

and we never will

[winter spade]

He didn’t “know” about it like Johnny or Gyro would

[brave silo]

and now theres rumors this part will end next month
fake news

[kind owl]

@brave silo, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[hard meteor]

The bubbles are definitely gonna play a huge role later it’s perfect setup for saving holly

[olive bobcat]

Jojolion

[sinful bramble]

Jojo-
Lion…

[brittle lodge]

Joe Julian

[lime gulch]

Jojo Lion

[sage crag]

rumors?

sex

[brave silo]

yes

[sinful bramble]

It can’t and won’t end next month, those rumours are people trying to fear monger

[sage crag]

actual rumors or just assumptions?

[hard meteor]

^^^

[robust ibex]

jojolion?

[hard meteor]

There is absolutely ZERO confirmation on the ending it is literally just opinions and people freaking out over the chapter

[brave silo]

rumors made by an "reliable" japanese bloggers
though i don't buy it, it literally doesnt make sense

[sage crag]

bloggers

[woven hull]

Where’s the new chapter?

[hard meteor]

Exactly lol aren’t they supposed to formerly announce when the manga ends

[robust ibex]

cant end by next chapter. theres still at least 2 chapters left for the volume

[primal fulcrum]

The theory about Tsurugi being the main villain would actually blow my mind.

[sinful bramble]

Pins

[sudden nymph]

Unless next volume is one chapter it isn’t true

[mossy sinew]

[hard meteor]

Yep can’t be true what kind of volume has 2 chapters

And why would it end on kaato

It is impossible to end jojolion like this

[sudden nymph]

Iwasuke final villain

[burnt quiver]

why didn’t i get @‘d for the new chap

where do i read it? the pins have spoilers lol

[viscid valve]

https://m.imgur.com/a/netYnDk

[hard meteor]

https://m.imgur.com/a/netYnDk

[robust ibex]

RIP to all the "Kaato is the real villain" theories
they can now join the "Jobin is the real villain" theorists who got btfo a number of chapters ago

[hard meteor]

Not like it matters anymore

[minor ore]

so jojolion will probably end in a few months

which means a possible part 9

[cunning vapor]

Everything is a paper moon illusion 🙏🙏🙏

[sage crag]

tbh if you still don't want to realize that this is the last arc, then you're probably better trusting in tsurugi's fuckery

[minor ore]

im hyped

[winter spade]

I mean honestly past Tooru dying yeah it totally could be

[cunning vapor]

Everything is too good to be true

[winter spade]

Indeed

Josuke probably got there by hitching a ride on the ambulance that traveled there from the hospital

[hard meteor]

It makes more sense then ending the story without answering anything

[winter spade]

But like even then it’s almost too storybook ending with the stand making one last threat and then dying

[viscid valve]

yeah the final few pages are clearly paced to be an obvious red herring

[hard meteor]

Yeah none of this feels natural or realistic

[viscid valve]

i dont understand how people miss that

[winter spade]

Great Tsurugi Face

I will post this again if we get revealed that it was all a PMK illusion

[viscid valve]

wait

[minor ore]

for some reason i cant send my favortie panel from the chapter

[viscid valve]

the headless wou being a pmk illusion actually has some merit? 🤔

[lime gulch]

The more I think about it the more I’m certain that there is no way things can end next month or august

[sage crag]

there was wou energy coming from Norisuke's body IIrc, if that helps /shrug

[winter spade]

One of the biggest things that makes it seem like a PMK illusion is Tsurugi suddenly finding out that Jobin held back. I can see that actually happening but it’s the fact we still see norisuke in the body bag in the flashforwards that tips me off that something is wrong here

[minor ore]

im just gonna link it: https://i.imgur.com/fkBy3zo.png

[winter spade]

Boss ass ability usage

[minor ore]

i need this colored

[viscid valve]

wait i thought gappy needed paisley park to be able to aim go beyond

[kind owl]

@viscid valve, Your Hamon Rank is now level 5 !

[viscid valve]

i guess he just.. doesn't

[burnt quiver]

damn i guess this is it

jojolion’s ending a lot sooner than anyone thought it would lol

[crisp vigil]

10 years

[burnt quiver]

lol to think earlier this week someone was saying there was prolly gonna be two more years of JJL

[frail haven]

JOJOLION!

[sage crag]

jojolion is incoherent rn, specially the "calamity energy" stuff

[fleet river]

yes

[burnt quiver]

i mean obviously it’s been running for a long time i just meant i heard several people say that we were gonna be getting new chaps for several more months

[sage crag]

hot sex hot jot

[frail haven]

No, Gappy can kind of aim it

[crisp vigil]

the word calamity has been ruined forever

[minor ore]

❤️

[crisp vigil]

upvote sleeve

[minor ore]

joshu my beloved

[robust ibex]

how does wonder of u work? he can control calamities, but what does that mean? this is bullshit araki

[hard meteor]

Chadshu got saved

[crisp vigil]

i reeeely need to know

[nocturne whale]

omg wou is a calamity

[robust ibex]

wonder of u: it just works part 2

[burnt quiver]

didnt josuke only need it when he was literally at the hospital while tooru was at the higashikata estate? idk why he’d need it when he’s right in front of the target

[fleet river]

me waking up on the 18th of every month

[crisp vigil]

wou requiem go beyond’s third bomb: bites the paper moon & wet

[winter spade]

Ok going back to the flashforwards in 83 how have I never noticed Norisuke’s hand has been cut off

[sage crag]

Only true question I have is that, if calamity energy is something that exist everywhere and never goes away, then it doesn't really make any sense for go beyond to work.. right?

[winter spade]

Something sussy is going on

[viscid valve]

so ig he can use it by himself but only on a very short range

[fleet river]

so did norisuke survive?

[winter spade]

Calamity energy isn’t usually focused like how Tooru used it

[burnt quiver]

yeah

[winter spade]

I think calamity energy is the opposite extreme to the saints blessings in terms of effect

It’s a universal law that where there is good there has to evil, but the saint and the calamity energy can tip that scale in one direction or another for a bit if you gain their blessing or the focus of their attack

But normally, we go through a somewhat even amount of good and bad throughout our lives

You get a job promotion, you step into a puddle on our way to work

[frail haven]

Love Train and Wonder of U are opposites

[barren mortar]

So calamity opposes Saint's juice. Calamity: curses. Sainty: blessings?

[winter spade]

Basically

[cunning vapor]

I think everything post-Tooru death is an illusion

[winter spade]

It seems that the basis for all curses so far in jojolion is calamity energy, not necessarily wielded by Tooru but you get my drift

[cunning vapor]

Why didn’t the ambulance take norisukes body with them if they did for joshu

[winter spade]

The saint works opposite to that, and all the “good” in SBR is sourced from the saint

[viscid valve]

but if thats the case is tsurugi's stand no longer in his control or something else

[barren mortar]

But why? Is Tsurugi purposefully deceiving the family? Is it the doing of Tooru's posthumous will? Or is it "calamity"?

[cunning vapor]

I think tsurugi is deceiving the family yes

[viscid valve]

oh god what if tsurugi's pmk is doing wou illusions because of the equivalent exchange

[winter spade]

Perhaps the ability to control the flow of calamity wasn’t destroyed with Tooru, but could’ve passed on to Tsurugi and upgraded his PMK

[barren mortar]

Maybe they were full. What happened to Kaato?

[minor ore]

its just hanging off

its not cut, just out of the bag

[winter spade]

It seems the ambulances are still there, they’re just busy with Joshu and others

[frail haven]

Did Tooru and Tsurugi mix stands?

[viscid valve]

that doesn't llook to be "just hanging off" g

[barren mortar]

It is pretty bloody, but connected to the bag still, despite being dragged

[winter spade]

Look at the geometry of it. That’s his right hand.

[minor ore]

nope

[winter spade]

It’s clearly outside the bag too, not attached to his wrist

[frail haven]

I'm so confused. What's with the scene of the Higashikata family relaxing?

[cunning vapor]

Paper Moon King

[frail haven]

Is it an illusion by Tsurugi? Why would everything in this chapter be an illusion?

[crisp vigil]

what if’s it’s more pmk bs

[winter spade]

You can also clearly see the floor in between the hand and the body bag, meaning it’s indeed not attached to his arm

[viscid valve]

daiya might be involved too for all we know

[cunning vapor]

tsurugi is the next aizen.

[barren mortar]

Oh no! He's this world's J. Geill!

[winter spade]

Maybe not everything but Tsurugi did swap with a rock human, we don’t know what kind of effect this would have

[viscid valve]

daiya seems to be the only person concerned for what tsurugi's doing in the flashforward

[winter spade]

There’s no precedent for this

[viscid valve]

and her stand can manipulate memories

[crisp vigil]

tooru, a rock, became another rock? then he just turned into dust

[barren mortar]

Her Stand could be very helpful in all this eff-ery

[crisp vigil]

daiya just makes everyone forget

[viral plume]

Tooru duel wielded rock

[barren mortar]

Tooth unlocked new form: Sand!

[kind owl]

@barren mortar, Your Hamon Rank is now level 1 !

[winter spade]

Also wait a minute what kanji characters are on Tsurugi’s shoulders in the flashforwards?

[crisp vigil]

echoes

[viral plume]

That might be interesting, daiya might try to do something nice and try to make everyone forget the family so they dont have to hurt so much

[winter spade]

Has that always been on his shoulders did I just miss that

[frail haven]

Remember the hornet that Tooru saw? Its definitely linked to an illusion. He even said it must've been an illusion.

[crisp vigil]

big things are happening

[winter spade]

He said it was a memory

[winter spade]

Which isn’t too far fetched for a dude obsessed with dreams and memories on his deathbed

[frail haven]

thats true, but it couldve been an illusion by Tooru

[barren mortar]

Yeah, this is one I could see being very significant to the future or totally irrelevant

[frail haven]

I'm still sure that Crazy Train is Tsurugi's new stand.

[crisp vigil]

guys jojolion so far was a whitesnake dream wake up we gotta start the real part 8

[winter spade]

That would be baller and great foreshadowing by araki

[cunning vapor]

i think Norisuke died from WOU here

[frail haven]

isnt it? I'm so sure because of name motifs in JOJO

[sinful bramble]

If Whitesnake were here it’d be part 10

[winter spade]

Calamity? Saints corpse? What are you talking about jolyne? We have to go stop pucci!

[crisp vigil]

jolyne dreamt she was 2 men 😳😳

[viscid valve]

also important to mention tsurugi finds norisuke's body bag just chillin in one of the rooms for some reason

[hard meteor]

Something I didn’t notice but there’s a closeup on the twin pines tree which is where the shrines located,the one that was able to exchange the curse to another family member and strongly hinted to contain a saint,now why would this be here in the beginning

[winter spade]

That’s norisuke’s room I believe

[hard meteor]

Almost like foreshadowing

[winter spade]

The one with the SBR book in the bookshelf

[viscid valve]

Higashikata Kaato's attack.... 'Tsurugi'!!

[winter spade]

It’s been part of the imagery in this section of the story for chapters now

[crisp vigil]

i hope we see the family’s stands again, like waking heart and california king bed

[molten crane]

trying to find the King in "Crazy Train" be like

[kind owl]

@molten crane, Your Hamon Rank is now level 22 !

[winter spade]

It’s a visual metaphor for the encroaching curse and the sacrifice that has to be made to exchange for Tsurugi’s life

[hardy trench]

!w crazy train

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/List_of_References_in_JoJo
Not the correct result? Use !w page crazy train for a direct link or !w search crazy train for a list of all hits.

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

List of References in JoJo

Within JoJo's Bizarre Adventure there exists a great number of overt references to existing art and media, as well as echoes of Hirohiko Araki's artistic influences. This article represents a provisional list of these.

[cunning vapor]

Paper Moon King: Crazy Train

[viscid valve]

isnt tsurugi sneaking the body out to the balcony, perhaps to the pine tree?

[molten crane]

it's gonna be King of Dreams

[cunning vapor]

SPITTING

[sinful bramble]

!w Space Trucking

[mental ridge]

https://jojowiki.com/Space_Trucking

JoJo's Bizarre Encyclopedia - JoJo Wiki

Space Trucking

Space Trucking (スペース・トラッキング, Supēsu Torakkingu) is the Stand of Kaato Higashikata, featured in the eighth part of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, JoJolion. It allows Kaato to store things inside her cards which she can summon out to attack her opponents.

[hard meteor]

Yes I believe he was heading to the pine tree

[cunning vapor]

I never thought that before

[minor ore]

Was waiting for someone to bring this up. I have no idea what it means but there's a whole pic with every single appearance of the tree and it shows up a lot

[winter spade]

Yeah wait look at his right shoulder why does Tsurugi have that writing on his shoulder?

Is that writing idk what that is

[crisp vigil]

ilove it

[winter spade]

Tsurugi out here all tatted up

[cunning vapor]

He’s had that

[winter spade]

Huh, didn’t notice it until now

Oh you’re totally right wtf

How did I never notice that?

[hard meteor]

Yeah I saw that picture,that tree is directly linked to the exchange process that goes on in the higashikata family and was hinted at containing a corpse,there’s been a lot of focus on it more now recently and with current events I believe tsurugi will head back to this tree

[viscid valve]

the ride never endss

[winter spade]

I want to get off Mr. Araki’s Wild Ride

[viscid valve]

unfortunately all of this means i will have to lay off king crimson tsurugi from having a chance at existing 😔

[barren mortar]

Still plenty of plot points that need to be dealt with in this JoJolion. And Araki doesn't usually leave a lot of loose threads

[frail haven]

If Daiya did take everyone's memories and Tsurugi created an illusion of a fixed home, how would they have done it? For Daiya to take memories, they need to worry about her.

Also, I'm still sure that Tooru got Wonder of U and it mixed into Paper Moon King, creating Crazy Train.

[viscid valve]

i think crazy train could be a name for the arc but not the stand

[molten crane]

yeah there's no king in Crazy Train

the stands name will probably be king of dreams

[frail haven]

Araki loves name motifs like

Star Platinum, Crazy Diamond, Gold Experience, Stone Free

Killer Queen, Crazy Diamond

DIO and Pucci

Love Train and CRAZY TRAIN

[winter spade]

That would be a great contrast actually

[minor ore]

so what do you think the point of ||Wonder of U being a post-death stand|| was? Is there going to be another before the part is over? Was it a passed down to stand to Tooru?

[viscid valve]

oh wow the "shape of one's heart" thing was mentioned in the flashforward too

[frail haven]

Wonder of U was a stand that attached itself to Tooru so he could get what he wanted

[viscid valve]

concerning joshu's uncontrolled use of nut king call

[winter spade]

If that section was even real, that seems to point to the stand itself just being a manifestation of calamity energy, which Tooru neither created or completely controlled

[viscid valve]

what does it mean im so tired araki please let me free

[minor ore]

Attached itself?

[barren mortar]

Perhaps this whole equivalent exchange endee up giving a Stand to Calamity itself

[frail haven]

Yeah, Wonder of U was not his stand it just attached itself to Tooru

[minor ore]

That could be the implication

[winter spade]

The “ability” of WoU isn’t Calamities, it’s just manipulating the natural flow of calamity to help Tooru

[minor ore]

yeah its just reflecting past themes/stands based on the ebb and flow of fate/karma

[molten crane]

imagine if Tooru's stand was black hole sun the whole time and did something that no one realized

[viscid valve]

ok daiya is definitely in on this and thats just a cue for tsurugi to take action

[barren mortar]

"My Stand, ブラックホールさん, causes JoJolions to happen!"

[winter spade]

What are we? Some sort of… Jojolion Squad?

[molten crane]

the main villain are the jojo lions

[minor ore]

woah based so are we in the flashforward now?

maybe not

[viscid valve]

almost

[barren mortar]

Roar-a roar-a roar-a!

[frail haven]

what do you mean?

[molten crane]

15 seconds is way too much time I can't type anything

[viscid valve]

why would tsurugi only start moving the body after daiya told him to get norisuke

if we assume only tsurugi knows about the bodybag

it just doesnt add up

[winter spade]

Unless Daiya is unaware Norisuke’s still in the bodybag

[frosty barn]

can someone give me a good place to read jojolion chapters 70 to chapters 108

[winter spade]

She might just think he’s waiting upstairs and not paying attention

[frosty barn]

in english*

[barren mortar]

Maybe Daiya removed his/all of their memory for some reason, and this was her way of nudging him along?

[minor ore]

idk

[winter spade]

Mangadex is back up so that’s a good choice

[mossy sinew]

Mangadex, but I don't know if it has all of them

[hard meteor]

Try mangadex

[frosty barn]

ok ty!

[winter spade]

I think mangadex is only up to 105 since the shutdown

[viscid valve]

https://mangadex.org/title/c086153a-0162-412a-9914-a7b2633d0cd3

[cinder fern]

Copium commences

[minor ore]

for Jobincucks yea

[frosty barn]

why'd it shutdown in the first place?

[frail haven]

data leaks

[cinder fern]

for everyone

[viscid valve]

nah tsurugi definitely knows whats up as well, but everyone else doesn't

yeah it could've been a planned cue for tsurugi to start moving the body

[minor ore]

Josukechads won

[barren mortar]

No matter what it is, I think we've got a pretty big handful of chapters ahead of us still

[kind owl]

@barren mortar, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[cinder fern]

the ending simply wont be good as everyone was expecting

[minor ore]

Can someone mass ping the mods to remove this cancerous cooldown

[minor ore]

oh so that's what you meant by copium

[cinder fern]

precisely

[minor ore]

for everyone who hates kino, yeah

[frail haven]

how are u gonna know how good the ending is

[cinder fern]

Thankfully its no AoT, but still

[frail haven]

none of us know it

[minor ore]

cope magic

[cinder fern]

it seems to be very very soon

[minor ore]

He simply does

[cinder fern]

inhale the copium

[frail haven]

Still, we don't know the ending. You can't say its bad when you haven't READ IT>""

[minor ore]

not ending soon, keep coping

[barren mortar]

Doubt.

[hard meteor]

nowhere close to ending lol

[cinder fern]

i didnt say it’s bad

personally, I hope it’s not ending yet

[kind owl]

@cinder fern, Your Hamon Rank is now level 6 !

[minor ore]

This is the middle of JJL, prove me wrong.

You can't.

[cinder fern]

I’m just a tad pessimistic when it comes to media

[minor ore]

yeah he didn't say it's bad he just said it'll be disappointing

[cinder fern]

She very much did

[minor ore]

it won't be though so it's okay

[cinder fern]

never said whether expectations are unreasonably high or not either

[frail haven]

Still, you can't say the ending won't be as good as people are expecting cause no one knows the ending

[cinder fern]

it’s just not gonna meet the crazy high expectations

[hard meteor]

theres too many unanswered questions for this to be the end,holly still isnt cured,we still dont know whats up with higashikata tree,or the wall eyes,or karera

[frail haven]

No one should ever have crazy high expectations for the ending, cause you'll let yourself down

[minor ore]

Holly later died of a cold

[cinder fern]

I could say the same thing in reverse thats a non-argument

[winter spade]

Karera later died due to her crippling gambling addiction

[frail haven]

if you have crazy high expectations then the ending fails for you before youve even read it

[sage crag]

this cooldown still here lmao

[cinder fern]

oh its not my expectations

[minor ore]

Caato later died from a gardening appliance

[winter spade]

I mean jojolion means a lot to a lot of different people

[cinder fern]

It’s expectations of others - evidently not this crowd but

[winter spade]

We’ll have to see how well the ending wraps up the story into a bow until I personally make any judgements

[frail haven]

I have no expectations for the ending so I have no bias when it comes

[minor ore]

Sounds like a problem the AoT community had, not us though because we're based optimists

[cinder fern]

isnt that exactly what happened to AoT

[minor ore]

The ending is going to be good and if you say otherwise you're Anti-Araki

[frail haven]

no you dont know if itll be good

[cinder fern]

everyone was optimistic and then poof

[minor ore]

I know, prove me I don't know.

[frail haven]

we also dont know if itll be bad

[minor ore]

it won't happen I'll put it on me mum

we're more appreciative and mature than the Attack on T*tan fanbase

Can you prove the fact that I don't know the ending? Maybe I do. Maybe I just got off the phone with Araki.

[cinder fern]

I can’t tell what side you’re on here but you’re based as hell and I hope you know that

[viscid valve]

im sure the ending will find everyone screaming out of their mind

[barren mortar]

Considering how much I've liked the 7 endings Araki gave before this, I am a wee-bit optimistic, if not mostly confused

[minor ore]

I base my sides on whoever reacts to what I say the most.

[cinder fern]

whoevers more easily angered? kinda based

[minor ore]

you're not supposed to tell them that stupid

Don't worry I'll come up with a take so bad they'll forget anything except to try and argue against it

I'll count on it

Sorry, take so good*, since all my takes are correct

[viscid valve]

tooru pfps

[minor ore]

based individuals

[uneven tendon]

[minor ore]

the tooru grindset

[uneven tendon]

Even after his death, the Tooru nation is still going strong

And he will probably get more flashbacks soon

[minor ore]

holy shit who do i ping to get this cooldown off

[uneven tendon]

@obsidian jacinth Can you reduce the timer?

[obsidian jacinth]

oh right

[woven anvil]

Channel slowmode for #jojolion de-activated.

[uneven tendon]

Thank you

[minor ore]

lesss gooo

[uneven tendon]

💪

[obsidian jacinth]

I forgot sorry 😓

[hard meteor]

wooooooo

💪

[minor ore]

The fact that we have to wait an entire month for a new chapter

I won't live until then

[drowsy fog]

Hey what the fuck was this chapter

[winter spade]

Only memes and memories

[minor ore]

Yuka Kazami background

[minor ore]

a lot

also hold on

[uneven tendon]

I have a hot take about 108

This chapter was very good

[minor ore]

Does this mean Josssjsjuke can control go beyond

[errant tiger]

DUDEE wtff

the new chapter thoo

is this the end?

[minor ore]

No

Not even close

[errant tiger]

i didnt expect it to go like that

[hard meteor]

not the end

[errant tiger]

oof

sorry if you guys discussed it 10 times already

XD

[hard meteor]

also it seems like josuke cant quite control it but can manipulate it to go in a certain direction

[minor ore]

this chapter only makes my will for an animated jojolion stronger

[frail haven]

Guys, it even say "To be continued"

[minor ore]

he used soft and wet barrage to redirect it

[hard meteor]

ye

[errant tiger]

well i didnt say thats the end of jojolion, i mean we are near the end

josuke just blasted his ass

[minor ore]

I'll be in my mid 20's by the time animated JJL comes out

And I'll be a happy man

[errant tiger]

i thought there was more about tooru's stand but josuke just blasted his shit XD

oof

[mellow osprey]

someone told me a new chapter dropped

is this true?

[barren mortar]

Yes

[minor ore]

Yes

[hard meteor]

yes

[mossy sinew]

Yes

[frosty barn]

check pinned messages in this channel

[errant tiger]

yes

[mellow osprey]

time to go and read it

[minor ore]

So does this make him the most powerful stand user since he can semi-control a deadly attack that doesn't exist?

[uneven tendon]

My biggest disappointment with this chapter is no WoU wrist blades

[winter spade]

Well he can do it at shorter ranges for sure now

With a margin of error

[minor ore]

||does that mean josuke > ger with go beyond? ||

[uneven tendon]

Imagine if instead of the saw, he used the wrist blades

[uneven tendon]

He himself said he can't control it

[winter spade]

Depends

[minor ore]

Liam is your connection ok

How did you send 2 messages in 0.25 of a second

[winter spade]

Chad

[errant tiger]

dude its weird, i mean we still have many questions unanswered, the 'main villain' is gone and kaato is not longer here

what do you guys think its going to happen next

[nocturne whale]

The Dude makes the manga and he chooses what to happen. He has to believe in his choose and problems. People need to apperacate the work that the manga people do. It's not like we can make this. Respect Araki and his decisions #RespectAraki

[minor ore]

he can aim it approximately and influence the direction. Not complete control but still enough to finish off a target close range.

[winter spade]

Tsurugi will obtain Crazy Train and then be defeated by Alt world normal world without the world diego

[minor ore]

False "go home guys party is over" moment and then a bunch of character reintroductions/major story point drops/other crazy stuff

AND JOSHU BEING FINALLY AWAKE

[barren mortar]

You're not wrong

[minor ore]

true

[nocturne whale]

imagine if Holly has Star Platinum

She is a Kujo

[uneven tendon]

This was very disappointing though

[nocturne whale]

and jotaro did die in stone ocean

[minor ore]

[nocturne whale]

So he might not have sp

[final patrol]

no spoilers im not even on chapter 10!

[hard meteor]

He would still have sp

[minor ore]

I mean, Joshu is selfish, but I assume acted refers to the Yasuho thing before he got knocked out

Which is

[nocturne whale]

he deserves kind of that

[minor ore]

no

[minor ore]

surely after this he has learned his lesson

[nocturne whale]

Literality remember when Yasho couldn't know faces

[minor ore]

Wasn't rape

[nocturne whale]

he did something made dirty and wrong( caught me off guard)

[mellow osprey]

i don't get it

is this the ending?

or?

[hard meteor]

He might’ve been selfish before but his recent actions where noble

[nocturne whale]

Josuke and Yasho is a better pair

[winter spade]

I still love how Araki didn’t give Joshu a hero moment, where he’s selfless 100% and just ignores his past with Yasuho, he gave Joshu a Joshu moment where he could fully be himself and still be heroic in his actions

[minor ore]

Did it out of a complete misunderstanding that he couldn't really avoid.

[nocturne whale]

Fv momento

[winter spade]

That’s character consistency right there

[uneven tendon]

Kira

[nocturne whale]

My hearts are indeed fill off those of Justice

[mellow osprey]

i don't understand

[hard meteor]

Not even comparable lmao,valentine assaults a minor joshu had a misunderstanding of the situation and stopped

[mellow osprey]

is this the ending of part 8 or?

[nocturne whale]

No.

[winter spade]

We’re in the endgame but the ending isn’t happening next chapter or anything

We’re still in the climax of the part

[hard meteor]

Even jumps in front of a fucking plane door to make sure she didn’t get hit

[mellow osprey]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[winter spade]

Indeed

[minor ore]

Joshu is selfish because despite the fact that Yasuho clearly doesn't feel the same way about him he insists that she belongs to him. She's not his little strawberry lol idk why he has a hard time seeing that

[uneven tendon]

What

Joshu is not comparable to Funny Valentine in any way

[minor ore]

Joshu would beat up Valentine and it wouldn't be a competition

[nocturne whale]

LOL

[minor ore]

[nocturne whale]

Love Train go Brr

[molten crane]

inb4 Joshu has spin

[minor ore]

YOOOOO

Jojodoss torur rppfpf

[nocturne whale]

?

[hard meteor]

Ah yes very selfish

[molten crane]

indeed

[winter spade]

He is a 19 year old yearning for the affection of others, that’s not incomprehensible or even unrealistic

[hard meteor]

Gotta wonder if people even read the chapters sometimes

[barren bough]

honestly, this chapter was so disappointing compared to the last 2

might even be the worst in the entire part

[nocturne whale]

HOW

when DID YOU excepted TOORU TO GO DOWN

[minor ore]

NKC has a goated design even when drawn in the background character style

[nocturne whale]

last two, JOSUKE USED SPIN

[barren bough]

it felt pretty rushed tbh, there was 0 build up to the whole Head Doctor in Norisuke thing

[minor ore]

Nowhere did I question the realism of a dude lusting after a girl that doesn't like him.

[nocturne whale]

I mean the spin part wasn't buliding up

[barren bough]

not the spin part

[minor ore]

Hits too close home

[uneven tendon]

Also, what does Jotaro's death have to do with part 8

They exist in different continuities

[nocturne whale]

Well When Jojolion ends, it's gonna be a long train home

[uneven tendon]

And 1-5 still happened in Ireneverse, so Jotaro would still have Star Platinum

[minor ore]

you cannot criticize Joshu without that sort of reaction literally anywhere lol

[barren bough]

it would've been pretty cool to see Norisuke being controlled by WoU, it was so rushed the way the killed off WoU

same, with Kaato

[nocturne whale]

How did Josuke get home

[barren bough]

i still think she didn't have to die

[barren mortar]

Did Araki say that?

[nocturne whale]

He couldn't have walked

[nocturne whale]

Read The Mih volume

[uneven tendon]

It was stated in the manga that predetermined events have happened even after the universe reset

[minor ore]

people construe it that way based on a Stone Ocean afterword

[uneven tendon]

And 1-5 were predetermined

[minor ore]

but you technically do not know for sure based on the information in the manga

[winter spade]

Well we do know

[uneven tendon]

Yeah

[minor ore]

you dont

[winter spade]

That’s how it’s stated to work in the manga

[uneven tendon]

We do

[minor ore]

You dont see Jotaro again

[uneven tendon]

Made in Heaven can't change history

[barren mortar]

What is that?

[minor ore]

no it isn't, you aren't told that

[minor ore]

sure did undo all of 6 lol

[nocturne whale]

last volume of stone ocean

[uneven tendon]

Literally the only difference between OG universe and Ireneverse is that Pucci doesn't exist anymore

[barren mortar]

Oh, Made in Heaven. Acronyms are helpful

[minor ore]

I am not disagreeing

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[minor ore]

I agree with this take

[uneven tendon]

That's not a take, it's a story fact

[winter spade]

It can’t change history Pucci himself wasn’t a part of

[minor ore]

but it isn't clearly stated, it is sub textual

It is indeed a "take"

[uneven tendon]

It's not

[minor ore]

It is

[uneven tendon]

It's factual

[winter spade]

It’s not though

[nocturne whale]

The Dude makes the manga and he chooses what to happen. He has to believe in his choose and problems. People need to apperacate the work that the manga people do. It's not like we can make this. Respect Araki and his decisions #RespectAraki

[minor ore]

You cannot find me a page that says "Jotaro still has Star Platinum and all other part history is intact"

[winter spade]

You can interpret the specifics of how this affects the new universe but it’s not up for debate that that is indeed how it transpired

[minor ore]

it isn't there

[heavy ledge]

wuts goin on

[minor ore]

We have Araki's part 6 afterwords, but in the manga they do not take the time to clarify this

[quaint tendon]

Bruh

[barren mortar]

Why would Jolyne and everyone else's name and appearance change?

[winter spade]

For the pucciverse or the universe created after his demise?

[barren mortar]

Pucci didn't name them

[minor ore]

Maybe because they were killed, or they had to be made different people for the changed reality

I like to imagine they're fashioned from Emporio's perspective of them

[winter spade]

Pucciverse is because pucci blocked the souls of the dead stone ocean gang from passing onto this new world

So they were replaced by fate with doppelgängers without the souls of the originals

The new universe is because pucci doesn’t exist in that new world

[uneven tendon]

In Ireneverse, OG souls came back

[winter spade]

So there was no conflict necessary to name jolyne under the Jojo moniker, and for the gang to meet how they did in the old universe

[minor ore]

and Hermes sister doesn't die either

[winter spade]

They still meet up however

[minor ore]

except Pucci cause he's a jobber

[barren mortar]

Okay, but that has implications for at least part 3 going forward, no? No Pucci-boy for DIO, so butterfly effect?

[winter spade]

Gravity still pulls them together all the same

[minor ore]

not necessarily

[winter spade]

Well that just means when dio died, his influence largely died with him

Instead of festering and plotting when pucci left for Florida

It meant that Jotaro could actually raise his child and be a good father

[uneven tendon]

Also, regarding your point about it being a ''take''

[barren mortar]

This very detail is why I figured the whole universe as a whole was supposed to be a bit off and that maybe the JoJo's weren't a thing. Like it was just Irene and... Qtaro

[winter spade]

Jotaro is still jotaro

He still has to struggle to kill dio

[hard meteor]

^

[minor ore]

this doesn't imply that parts 1-5 are exactly the same, this is a stand stat page

[winter spade]

He still goes to morioh to settle the consequences of Joseph’s affair

[minor ore]

It's said that Irene was named so because Dio is no more, thus the bloodline is purified of his curse.

In the manga itself

[winter spade]

It’s just that Jotaro in the new world isn’t forced to be on his toes when he’s supposed to be raising Irene

[minor ore]

no it isnt

[winter spade]

That isn’t directly stated but it is implied that’s why she isn’t named jojo

[minor ore]

you literally cannot prove it because it doesn't exist

[minor ore]

Source buddy?

[barren mortar]

Were "JoJo" names part of the curse?!

[minor ore]

yeah absolutely

[minor ore]

the manga

Source

you're quoting Araki's afterword

[uneven tendon]

@minor ore

[minor ore]

I'm not quoting anything

[minor ore]

so this is Jojolion

[minor ore]

sure

[uneven tendon]

From the page explaining Made in Heaven

What do you mean sure, it's literally from a manga page

[winter spade]

More like the Jojo moniker is a sign of the burden all joestars have to carry

[minor ore]

thats fine, you still don't have on panel confirmation about what you are extrapolating about

[uneven tendon]

What

[winter spade]

He did just produce a panel lol

[minor ore]

You are basing your take on the end of part 6 off Araki's authorword

[winter spade]

But he’s not though

[uneven tendon]

No, it's because the manga literally explains this

[winter spade]

If he was, he wouldn’t have brought up a page from the volume releases

[uneven tendon]

Why are you arguing about info that the manga has stated

[minor ore]

He is, what he posted has nothing to do with anything concerning theories about the end of Stone Ocean. The point of the statement he posted is to show that Pucci's plan works because if there's predestined actions he can force everyone to experience their reality and then see the future

[brave silo]

[uneven tendon]

Continue to deny the source material

[minor ore]

Sorry, this is just true, and I think non-fanboys would agree with me instead of being upset because the manga doesn't extrapolate properly

[minor ore]

I'm not

[uneven tendon]

None of us are fanboys

We just point out that what you're saying is wrong

[minor ore]

I'm being accepting of the source material while you post ability explanations and hope I think the same way you do

[minor ore]

your pfp and name say otherwise

[winter spade]

?

[minor ore]

you are the big Jojo fan

[winter spade]

That doesn’t equate to fanboy though

[minor ore]

bigger than me

[brittle lodge]

imagine being a jojo fan

[uneven tendon]

That's not related to your point though

[minor ore]

like I already agree with you, this doesnt need to be a fight

I dont know why you're reacting like this

[uneven tendon]

Your point is that 1-5 happening in Pucciverse and Ireneverse is a ''take''

But the manga directly explains this

[minor ore]

Joshu enjoyers aren't JoJo fans, just correct take havers.

no it doesn't

[uneven tendon]

It does

[minor ore]

no it doesn't

[barren mortar]

There seems to be no real evidence either way, just that Pucci's plan would retain elements of the original universe, but that failed.

[kind owl]

@barren mortar, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[minor ore]

I've read part 6 multiple times and love it

it doesn't though

[minor ore]

thank you

[hardy trench]

is it just me or have all the bot name thingies gone from purple to blue

[brittle lodge]

who is jarrod?

[uneven tendon]

There is evidence, 1-5 happened in Pucciverse and Ireneverse

Otherwise, Irene wouldn't have had a birthmark

Or even existed

[minor ore]

true, exactly yes

[winter spade]

We saw his plan come to fruition for the first cycle, and we know events in that universe stayed the same up to part 6

[minor ore]

but it isn't "explained"

[winter spade]

Same with the new world after pucci

[barren mortar]

The birthmark can exist without 1-5. Jonathan had one. George I probably did, too

[eternal ibex]

is jojolion over?

[winter spade]

Which means Jonathan had to have existed lol

[minor ore]

technically Jonathan did not have one in part 1

[uneven tendon]

But without Jonathan, the bloodline wouldn't exist

[minor ore]

nor did Joseph in 2

[uneven tendon]

No

[eternal ibex]

how many more chapters?

[uneven tendon]

Probably around 5-6

[eternal ibex]

im gonna start reading when it's completely in colour, i stopped at 61

[barren mortar]

Jolyne would have been given her name before part 4, so... No?

[hard meteor]

we dont know, 10 at minimum

[minor ore]

lol whats with the reacts? Im right

[barren mortar]

Retcon

[minor ore]

you could look at it that way I guess

[winter spade]

We know he had one in part 1

[minor ore]

You sound like you're trying a bit too hard to mimic Ben Shapiro but in a JoJo-related way.

what?

[eternal ibex]

wait so is tooru the main villian

[minor ore]

[uneven tendon]

He's not wrong ^

[minor ore]

Yuh

[eternal ibex]

ffs, i was rooting for jobin

[winter spade]

It just wasn’t shown because araki didn’t want to show it or didn’t think it mattered until he brought the birthmarks back into prominence for part 3

[minor ore]

so you're just mad I'm right and you have to equate me to a hated right wing figure

||araki really had to kill off two characters to prove tooruphobes wrong smh smh||

nice

[minor ore]

1

[uneven tendon]

But you're not right

[minor ore]

I am though

[minor ore]

and we don't

[sage crag]

[uneven tendon]

Jonathan's body proves that

[minor ore]

in part 3

[uneven tendon]

And that still counts

[minor ore]

him shirtless in part 1? No birthmarks

[barren mortar]

Guys, no name-calling! Especially that little weasel

[minor ore]

I'm literally and technically correct

[minor ore]

I don't care that he is hated or right wing. You just share the same manner of arguments.

[uneven tendon]

Another troll

[minor ore]

yeah ok

[uneven tendon]

[minor ore]

Im not the one spamming pepe emojis

[winter spade]

Neither is Liam lol

[minor ore]

Im a troll because I disagree with you all?

[barren mortar]

The birthmark was added to Jonathan in anime part 1, yeah? I haven't watched

[uneven tendon]

It was

[minor ore]

yeah

Joseph as well

[uneven tendon]

And it was retconned to have existed

Without Jonathan, no birthmark

[minor ore]

what about George

[uneven tendon]

We don't know if George had a birthmark

[barren mortar]

It's the Joestar birthmark, not the DIO curse mark. This isn't Naruto

[minor ore]

did Jorge II have one

lol

[uneven tendon]

It's possible Mary was the one with the birthmark

[uneven tendon]

Probably

Since he was Jonathan's son

[winter spade]

Safe to assume he did

[minor ore]

Johnny doesnt have one

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 4 !

[uneven tendon]

Johnny did, we just didn't see it

[barren mortar]

Johnny is irrelevant

[minor ore]

then how do you know its there

[uneven tendon]

Because his great great grandchildren, Yoshikage and Kei, have those

They are Joestars

[winter spade]

Tbf we do see star motifs literally everywhere else on Johnny’s design

[minor ore]

I thought Kira's birthmark was retconned with Josefumi's?

[heavy ledge]

its a tattoo

[uneven tendon]

It wasn't

Both have a birthmark

But in Josefumi's case we don't know how it's possible

[minor ore]

but they arent there anymore when drawn right

[winter spade]

It’s not been explained yet

I think it depends on the scene

[hard meteor]

neither we're reconned, its just more of a drawing inconsistency

[winter spade]

Because Araki doesn’t draw the birthmark unless he needs to in order to convey some sort of info

[minor ore]

Wasn't Jose retconned fr tho

[minor ore]

he draws Josuke's all the time

[heavy ledge]

how come the only moment the star is there it is when karera pulls the VERY suspicious picture out of her ass

[winter spade]

There’s a million times when we can’t see Josuke’s birthmark where logically we would be able to

[heavy ledge]

nobody can explain that

[winter spade]

And a million other times we are shown his birthmark to bring up his connection to Kira and Josefumi

[minor ore]

no you should re-read Jojolion

he draws it a lot

just in fight panels

[winter spade]

Not always is my point

[heavy ledge]

the amount of times josuke has the star is pretty consistent

and these two dudes just happen to be in 1 arc and then suddenly he doesnt?

[minor ore]

I dont think either of them do

[heavy ledge]

king nothing arc

urban guerrilla arc

its always there

[minor ore]

yeah he really makes sure to draw it

[uneven tendon]

Kira's birthmark was seen on a different arc than the one that showed Josefumi's

Josefumi's birthmark appeared in Love Love Deluxe arc, Kira's right after Born This Way arc

[heavy ledge]

yes we do know kira has it anyway

[minor ore]

when do we see Kira's birthmark?

[winter spade]

It was actually pretty early on

[uneven tendon]

Chapter 18

[winter spade]

One of the first introductions to Kira in the part

[minor ore]

what about the photo Ojirou had?

[heavy ledge]

but we cant explain josefumis birthmark because it appeared in a very suspicious way,especially when THEY DONT seem to know her

[winter spade]

It’s because ||Karera is a rock human ||

[hard meteor]

big if true

[barren mortar]

Maybe Josefumi has his because he was always fated to merge with Kira?

[heavy ledge]

yes merged in the sheets

[heavy ledge]

tf is going on with mr aeonstar

did he have a breakdown?

[uneven tendon]

Aeonstar is just always high

[hard meteor]

reject copium and embrace the hopeium

[minor ore]

||jobin and caato dead|| so now its fucking over

although i always thought they were joking

[heavy ledge]

im afraid to ask him because all my interactions with him are weird as fuck

[barren mortar]

Who is Aeon? Fanslator?

[minor ore]

nah

[uneven tendon]

He has the most insane Jojolion theories I have ever seen, and not in a good way

[uneven tendon]

YouTuber

[minor ore]

youtuber and twitter jojo dude

[barren mortar]

Wordd!

[sudden nymph]

No it’s just that everything he’s been trying to say have been proved to be wrong now

[uneven tendon]

For instance, he theorized that Go Beyond will somehow reset the universe

And that Caato would be the main villain

[winter spade]

As you do

[heavy ledge]

yea but he seems pretty pissed off with jojolion overall like fr

[barren mortar]

I mean, everything is still surprisingly up in the air

[sage crag]

what is happening rn?

[minor ore]

Well, either aeon is joking, or he should start coping