jojolion

[junior coral]

AT THE BOTTOM LINE it was sexual assault

jesus

[patent merlin]

yes, and joshu is not above that

he is above rape tho

[hard meteor]

the point of the arc was that everyone got confused by tsurugis stand, joshu misinterpreted yasuhos actions and it almost lead into something but no he did not rape her,he just stopped after yasuho said josukes name and got knocked out,it wasnt malicious it was him being dumb and everyone else being confused

[junior coral]

He was about to have sex with her

[runic adder]

theres no debate when you are just denying it lol

[primal dagger]

Saying someone's name (even though she didn't) doesn't mean you want to have sex with them

[junior coral]

exactly

[inland oyster]

this again

[patent merlin]

did you not

[runic adder]

still..attempted rape

[patent merlin]

read the previous lines?

[tepid nebula]

He stopped right after she said Josuke

[kind owl]

@tepid nebula, Your Hamon Rank is now level 10 !

[junior coral]

AND it being a misunderstanding doesn't excuse him doing what he did

[inland oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/298146426926530561/816792095121473626/kms.gif

[runic adder]

because he doesnt like the idea of josuke being with yasuho

[junior coral]

It's still sexual assault you minks. Intent or not

[tepid nebula]

Do me first @inland oyster

[patent merlin]

i didn't argue that?

[minor ore]

yeah it's pretty fun right?

We need a new chapter

[tepid nebula]

@runic adder because he just started to realize Yasuho doesn’t realize its him*

[runic adder]

what?

[patent merlin]

that's not even the only time joshu commits sexual assault so how are you proving anything

[junior coral]

He attempted to have sex with a girl who did not consent

what do you call that

[tepid nebula]

“because he doesnt like the idea of josuke being with yasuho” what does this have to do with that situation

[hard meteor]

no? he just got confused why she said josuke,it wasnt a jealousy thing

[tepid nebula]

^

[runic adder]

because you said "he stopped when she said josuke"

whatever interpretation of it, josuke didnt stop out of any moral consciousness

[patent merlin]

joshu you mean?

[tepid nebula]

If a girl called out another dudes name ur boutta be confused

[runic adder]

yea i mean joshu lol

[inland oyster]

I think you guys are ignoring that Yasuho screeches at Joshu when he's taking off his clothes and he doesn't stop

[runic adder]

they are

[junior coral]

Lol

He's an idiot

[primal dagger]

Anything to excuse Joshu I guess

[tepid nebula]

He kinda gropes her anyway later so it’s already a lost case

[near cedar]

When me and Green Giorno agree on something, like right now, you know that the argument is stupid

[inland oyster]

anyways this is stupid and none of you understand consent so drop it

[junior coral]

He commited sexual assault. Attempted to have sex with a woman who didn't consent. That's fucking rape lol

[runic adder]

i love joshu and hes a fantastic character but i wont excuse any of his actions

[near cedar]

Ty vm, this is the way

[runic adder]

especially him calling yasuho his little strawberry that was creepy af

[olive bobcat]

theres people who ACTUALLY think joshu is a good guy?!?!!?

sheesh

[minor ore]

W

[patent merlin]

joshu is not a good person

[minor ore]

"All seethings are consolidating to this man"

[junior coral]

Also how about when he fucking mounts her like a dog in one of the later chapters

weirdos

[minor ore]

I unironically love Joshu but he’s a AWFUL person

[patent merlin]

like i said

[runic adder]

yea mutliple sexual assualt cases, outside of that one incident in pmk lol

[sudden nymph]

I love Joshu but people who think he’s a good person are kinda craycray

[tepid nebula]

Who thinks he’s a “good person” lol

[near cedar]

Y E S, THERE ARE

[junior coral]

Dude's a horny freak

[patent merlin]

joshu does commit sexual assault (multiple times) and that makes him a very bad person

BUT

[junior coral]

oh boy

[hard meteor]

the argument was never that he was a good person everyone can unanimously agree hes not

[junior coral]

here we go

[patent merlin]

that does not instantly mean

that he is a rapist

[junior coral]

he attempted rape

[runic adder]

only character i would say is a "good person that did bad actions before" in this part is kira
jobin comes close but hes much more of an anti-hero

[runic adder]

he attempted rape

[patent merlin]

no he did not

[near cedar]

Rapist no, attempted rapist yes

[runic adder]

he would not have stopped

[junior coral]

He attempted to have sex with a woman without her consent. That's rape.

[minor ore]

This

[runic adder]

then what happened

[patent merlin]

that's completely theoretical

[sudden nymph]

^

[junior coral]

"He would have this" "he would have that" no stfu

he did what he did

[near cedar]

If she didn't say Josuke

[runic adder]

if she didnt say josuke he would be in jail rn

[junior coral]

He only stopped because he heard Josuke's name

[near cedar]

Ty follower of the Joshu church

[junior coral]

so make of that what you will

[runic adder]

because yasuho is that nice of a person that she wouldnt report joshu for being the shitbag he is

[tepid nebula]

He did do what he did tho

[patent merlin]

no yasuho would totally

[near cedar]

I have no idea if you get that reference CEO

[sudden nymph]

You got to remember that this isn’t a moral debate this is a definition debate and by definition he is technically not a rapist although that still doesn’t excuse his actions

[tepid nebula]

Nah she woulda merked him

[junior coral]

He is an attempted rapist

I already said this

[runic adder]

what does merked mean

[tepid nebula]

Kill

[runic adder]

oh

[sudden nymph]

That is correct nice job

[near cedar]

He knows, he agrees

[runic adder]

say it louder for the joshu stans in the back

[sudden nymph]

Is it a server I’m in?

[junior coral]

HE ATTEMPTED RAPE

that's all

moving on

[tepid nebula]

The Joshu Saga

[minor ore]

[sudden nymph]

Who was the guy that said Dio did nothing wrong

[tepid nebula]

The discord when this gets animated

[runic adder]

lmao of all people to defend

dio is on a whole nother level than joshu

[tepid nebula]

Imagine the wars

[runic adder]

its never getting animated

[near cedar]

Yes, this one. There used to be a Shitpost channel called #Speedwagon that then got invaded by the "Church of Joshu" so the Temple of Speedwagon tried to repell them

[junior coral]

Dio committed real rape lol

[split tide]

Damo did nothing wrong.

[patent merlin]

DIO committed real rape

[tepid nebula]

Imagine if DIO was portrayed in ultra jump jojo

[minor ore]

Dio is literally the definition of evil lol

[junior coral]

oof

[patent merlin]

Dio from part 1 didn't

[junior coral]

Okay come on. With the semantics

[sudden nymph]

I don’t think I was there when that happened I came here like a week after the channel was deleted

[runic adder]

but dio's name comes from god, therefore he must be a good person!

[split tide]

Who did Dio rape?

[minor ore]

this. he was just doing what was best for his business smh. Carbon Based plebs wouldn't understand

[junior coral]

It's the same person bruh

[patent merlin]

it was a joke

[minor ore]

Dio from part one still sexually assaulted someone

[patent merlin]

: (

[junior coral]

just making sure

[minor ore]

[junior coral]

Dio and DIO are the same

[tepid nebula]

Not that far just maybe a decade or 3

[junior coral]

can't believe this needs to be said

[runic adder]

????? but they look different

WHAT do you mean different???can you not read their names

idiots on this discord smh

[sudden nymph]

Bruh I thought they were cousins or something

[junior coral]

idiots!

[hard meteor]

dIO

[minor ore]

They are obviously different!!!

[junior coral]

bakas!

[runic adder]

iDIOts that think dio and DIO are the same person

[near cedar]

Damn

[minor ore]

guys who is diego is he like dios son

[junior coral]

no that's jorno

[runic adder]

hes gironios son

[near cedar]

They are the exact same person, one of them just git character development

[tepid nebula]

Wish I coulda seen that church of joshu conflict

Or maybe I did I don’t remember

[runic adder]

yea ik

[near cedar]

Wait

[split tide]

Joshu secret Dio son.

[near cedar]

That was sarcasm

Fuck

[hard meteor]

nah thats his cousin

[near cedar]

I was looking something up and tabbed back in and saw that lmao

[patent merlin]

could joshu beat any of the dio sons aside from giorno

🤔

[runic adder]

i think its still fine to count dio and DIO as different people because of their vast development(i mean, we already do it do joot,and i see everyone doing it in outside shows as well)

[hard meteor]

he might be able to beat rykiel

[sudden nymph]

You not understanding sarcasm is like some sort of re accruing anime joke like how Chopper gets embarrassed when people call him a good doctor

[hard meteor]

but unaglo and donatello have stronger stands

[patent merlin]

he's not smart enough to defeat ungalo

sadly

[near cedar]

I have not seen people do it to Jotaro

[minor ore]

Especially if we count part 6 DIO

[runic adder]

literally everyone calls joot by p3 joot, p4 joot, p6 joot

[tepid nebula]

You haven’t?

[near cedar]

Lucky I watched far enough to understand that reference

[sudden nymph]

Couldn’t Giorno do everything Rikiel can do

[tepid nebula]

People would be like P4 and P6 Jotaro>>>3

Even though he pretty much acts the same

[runic adder]

at least with part 1 and 3 dio they act different. part 6 dio is exactly the same as part 3 dio

[near cedar]

Part 6 DIO is 1:1 part 3 DIO

[hard meteor]

nah he cant steal body heat

[patent merlin]

the difference is

[sudden nymph]

But he could just create rods

[near cedar]

None

[tepid nebula]

Part 6 DIO is even younger than Part 3 DIO iirc

[patent merlin]

part 6 jotaro has a cool hat

: )

[minor ore]

Fair nuff

[near cedar]

You remember correctly

[tepid nebula]

Ah

[hard meteor]

maybe, rods are cryptid and arent commonly seen or found

[split tide]

They are commonly seen.

[hard meteor]

rods? no

[split tide]

Yes.

[sudden nymph]

It would have been way cooler imo if GER could just create new animals instead of return to zero

[split tide]

They are only seen in video and photos.

[patent merlin]

what would he make to beat diavolo tho

[primal dagger]

Rikiel controls a bunch of rods to steal body heat and mess with body functions, Giorno can't really control his animals.

[runic adder]

Off topic but does anyone have good phone wallpapers or jobin

[tepid nebula]

GE shoulda made leopards and bears

[patent merlin]

i have good phone wallpapers but sadly no jobin

: (

[tepid nebula]

and lions

[near cedar]

That doesn't beat the busted KC unfortunately

[tepid nebula]

and tigers

[sudden nymph]

A rhino that can move in time skip duh

[patent merlin]

what about a scorpion that can move in time skip

[split tide]

KC vs TW?

[sudden nymph]

Or that

[patent merlin]

no

[olive bobcat]

Dio beats Diavolo

[near cedar]

DIO

[minor ore]

A rat WITH time skip

[near cedar]

easily

[tepid nebula]

Depends on who gets it off first

[patent merlin]

it's not dio

it's tw

the stand

: )

[hard meteor]

yeah but that doesn't make it "commonly scene",its a myth in universe videos and pictures arent really enough,thats why rykiel having direct control of them was a big deal

[olive bobcat]

then TW

[near cedar]

No it doesn't

[minor ore]

TW

[near cedar]

Let me grab Cauli's explanation

[hard meteor]

tw

[tepid nebula]

It does

[patent merlin]

can time that isn't passing be skipped tho

🤔

[near cedar]

Scenario 1
Dio stops time First:
Dio approaches Diavolo and stops time first somehow, Dio kills Diavolo whatever moves on

Scenario 2:
Diavolo skips time first:
Dio approaches Diavolo, Diavolo uses Epithat, sees he's gonna be flying backwards after seeing Za Wardou launching him back with a Muda burgage, panicked Diavolo uses KC, Dio stops time for 5 secs, those Actions happen however only for 5 secs, during which Diavolo will be frozen but untouchable dude to being TS, if during those 5secs Dio did Muda Diavolo or hit him in some way, it phases after that There's an a remaining 5 secs, Diavolo would be free to move around however, but would be Confused, he can what he plans on doing ig

Scenario 3:
Both Dio and Diavolo Activate they're ablities at the same time, time is stopped but Diavolo skips the 5 secs so basically for him time was frozen for a least a sec but now he's free to move about a plan out his attack

That make sense or did I waste me time?

[sudden nymph]

This is one of those situations where time skip is better but time stop counters it in a way

[near cedar]

It doesn't matter who's first, 1 of em is human

[sudden nymph]

And that too

[near cedar]

The other a nigh immortal Vampire

[tepid nebula]

If he uses Epitaph and sees him getting merked

[olive bobcat]

assuming they arent in a field in the middle of they day, dio wins

[tepid nebula]

Wait huh??

[sudden nymph]

If DIO can’t regenerate if you hurt his stand how did DIO heal when Jotaro put a hole in the world?

[tepid nebula]

I’m tryna get the 2nd and 3rd scenarios

[near cedar]

Whenever I do this debate I even tend to stray from The rule of "fighters fight at peak power" I handicap DIO but he still wins

[tepid nebula]

Isn’t that assuming TW would still effect Diavolo

[primal dagger]

This explanation assumes we know exactly how time erasure and time stop interact in the first place, but nobody knows how any of it would actually play out.

[minor ore]

^

[tepid nebula]

During KC time delete

[patent merlin]

jotaro vs diavolo tho 🤔

[tepid nebula]

Exactly

[near cedar]

He can regenerate when you hurt it, however he can't if you brake the entire stand

[sudden nymph]

Ohhhhhh

I’m dumb

[minor ore]

Jotaro because plot armor

[tepid nebula]

Cuz u could make the reverse argument that Diavolo seems himself getting donutted, uses TE First, sets himself up, and deals a death blow to DIO right as/before he can get off TS

[near cedar]

Congratulations, you grasped how this made up fight works, ofc we assume we know how they'll interact if we don't then the fight can't be judged

[primal dagger]

Yes, I'm saying that the provided explanation is moot.

[patent merlin]

the real way time erase and timestop interact

[primal dagger]

So there's no point in any explanation

[patent merlin]

is that time stops, and then it skips or whatever, and then time just says "fuck this" and leaves

[near cedar]

He wouldn't deal a death blow, he almost always goes for the shoulder, he doesn't have out of character knowledge and doesn't know to go for DIO's head or that he's a vampire

[tepid nebula]

I agree that DIO would have a better edge cuz he has better stats but still

[near cedar]

Congratulations, you are making it uninteresting

[minor ore]

Stats can be inconsistent tho tbf

[near cedar]

They are

[tepid nebula]

In the versus fight hypothetically they would be trying to immediately kill so decapitation or or gutting is what he would do

[primal dagger]

Any explanations are just biased. Saying here's why KC loses because of this made up assumption makes no sense and one could make up a completely a abstract argument for the other side.

[near cedar]

The versus fight is them randomly meeting and trying to kill each other for unspecified reason

They act like they act, not going for the kill immediately cuz that's out of character

[patent merlin]

there needs to be a chart of who would win

[near cedar]

KC loses, because he won't kill DIO

[patent merlin]

depending on how they interact

[tepid nebula]

I wouldn’t say it’s out of character

Diavolo almost always went for kill shots

[near cedar]

Because we don't give characters out of character knowledge

[tepid nebula]

DIO does too

[near cedar]

Donuts and shoulders most of the time

[minor ore]

diavolo almost always donuts for the kill, that wouldnt kill dio however

[primal dagger]

Diavolo is free to bash in Dio's head

[near cedar]

Anyway gtg

[tepid nebula]

that’s a kill shot

[patent merlin]

diavolo doesn't bash peoples heads in tho

[near cedar]

That would fail

[tepid nebula]

He did to Giorno

[near cedar]

He attacks a head once

[primal dagger]

He attempted it on Giorno and GE

[tepid nebula]

Agreeable I’m just saying that it wouldn’t be ooc

[near cedar]

He attacks elsewhere every other time

Anyway gtg

[minor ore]

Donuting wouldn’t rly matter to DIO, but if he gets hit in the head it’s different

[tepid nebula]

Later

[patent merlin]

the winner of the fight is pretty random then isn't it

it depends on how diavolo's feeling this morning

[tepid nebula]

Pretty much

[primal dagger]

Yes

[minor ore]

[runic adder]

Ok I think I have a theory

And I’m really on to something here

So essentially, in chapter 5, we see josuke see a man

But for the viewers perspective, josuke is the one talking to this man

Not kira or josefumi

Now that we know that, something is evidently clear

Josuke did “something” while he was asleep in the wall eyes

My primary theory is, jojolion

Is an isekai

Josuke is seeing a memory of his past life on earth, with a memory of this dude he knew, that was the man that killed him

In this isekai the protagonist remembers nothing

Then, he wakes up in the wall eyes

Now the entirety of jojolion makes sense

[hard meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[sudden nymph]

That’s a amazing theory it’s on par with the greatness that is tsrugiri is Tooru

[runic adder]

Ikr

[olive bobcat]

Tooru is several rock insects in a teddy bear jacket

[runic adder]

ok i finally caught up to jojolion

[olive bobcat]

hell yeah

[runic adder]

the new bubble doesnt seem as much of an asspull as i had previously thought

makes more sense now

but how tf did it go through the phone

straight to tooru

[olive bobcat]

remember chapter 1?

[runic adder]

no ofc i dont

[olive bobcat]

same thing

[runic adder]

explain

[hard meteor]

3 possibilites

[runic adder]

and damn plane door is closer than i thought it would be

unless joshu jumps in at the last minute yasuho is getting rekt

[hard meteor]

it either a.has to do with pasiley park being a "doorway" to other electronic devices and it just carried the bubble that way or b.it has to do with josukes birthmark bubble going through the phone originally or c.the bubble not existing just allows it to travel instantaneously

[runic adder]

the bubble not existing, traveling instantaneously is stupid

i like that its balanced, in that josuke cant really control it well

and it cant really do what the other bubbles can, it can just destroy stuff

I think paisley park being able to move things through the phone(if they can fit along it’s surface) is a decent power creep

[runic adder]

How so, that was a visible bubble wasn’t it?

[elfin tangle]

Yeah but before that KC swiped at Gold Experience's limbs. He never aims for the head

[olive bobcat]

came from the birthmark no?

[elfin tangle]

KC always tries death blows by removing limbs or donuting

[hard meteor]

The birthmark bubble was implied to be invisible,since it’s true form was only visible through yasuhos phone

[elfin tangle]

Yasuho coming in clutch and somehow having the idea to redirect the shot at Tooru

And people say Kei's sacrifice was useless LMAO

[runic adder]

oh i see i didnt notice that

[rocky charm]

Pretty much doesn't even know when it's happening

[runic adder]

i thought yasuho just didnt see it for effect

[runic adder]

nah he felt when the bubble left the birthmark

other than that its up to fate

its gonna hit tooru tho, so thats cool

once tooru is hit once calamity reverses and plane door flies back to the plane

[rocky charm]

Yeah but like

[hard meteor]

Honestly I thought that was just a dropped concept,but damn we’ve come full circle

[rocky charm]

He had no idea he was doing anything until Mamezuku pointed it out (not the first time, though, he had to repeat himself several times)

[runic adder]

yea its nice to know its not just another last minute asspull

[runic adder]

yea ik what you mean

but he does learn to control it in a way where he is conscious of when it is unleashed

kinda like jotaro

but jotaro didnt have a bubble with infinitely thin threads

[elfin tangle]

Instead he has stopped time, which is significantly more OP

[rocky charm]

As far as we know

[runic adder]

well......

yea, definitely better than some bubbles he cant control

but who even knows if time stop would bypass calamity

we cant know for sure until caato valentine brings diego and the world back after tooru is defeated

[elfin tangle]

Time Stop is proven to give peak Johnny a lot of trouble and that guy was a spin master

[runic adder]

i meant like, what was more possible to defeat WOU

since we dont know timestop effects

[rocky charm]

Honestly

What if Valentine does turn out to be an ancestor of Norisuke

[elfin tangle]

That, I have no idea

[runic adder]

it works

[runic adder]

yea and i hope we dont find out

i dont want time stop in jojolion

[elfin tangle]

We won't

We definitely won't get time stop back

Josuke and Yasuho already won

[rocky charm]

unless

[elfin tangle]

no-

[rocky charm]

they didn't

[tepid nebula]

He only managed to get Giornos arms cuz he snuck Giorno

When he actually ran back to fight him he went for the kill blow tho

[runic adder]

yes and im glad for it

[elfin tangle]

Yeah, but he directly does the same thing to Polnareff

[runic adder]

i mean, nothing says tooru will immediately die

the plane door is still gonna hit someone

obladi oblada is still on josuke

[hard meteor]

It’ll most likely hit tooru

Might not end the fight in 106 per se

[rocky charm]

Could Nut King Call break the plane door into pieces that are harmless

[elfin tangle]

Obaldi Oblada is just a nuisance at this point, it's not a big threat

[hard meteor]

But it’ll end with 107 definitively

[runic adder]

no i know its gonna hit tooru-would be shitty if it didnt, but tooru isnt gonna die cuz one bubble

[rocky charm]

Also, if Jousuke's bubble IS the Spin

[runic adder]

"harmless" "calamity"

[elfin tangle]

But... it's not one bubble, it's the literal spin

[runic adder]

yea yea ig

[rocky charm]

There's a possibility that his bubble hitting Tooru would "Spin" his Calamity and aim it at Tooru

[tepid nebula]

True but tbf he basically cut him in half

[rocky charm]

Bullshit as that would be

[runic adder]

its just the spin threads spinning

[hard meteor]

Understandable he’ll probably get wounded by it and the plane door or something else finishes him off

[runic adder]

ewww

[rocky charm]

#jojolion message

[tepid nebula]

Inb4 High voltage but with King Crimso

[rocky charm]

There may be some connection

[tepid nebula]

n

[runic adder]

i mean, hitting rai with the bubble didnt cause rai to be "spinned" with calamities

rai literally calls it "the spin"

its definitely spin lol

[elfin tangle]

King Crimson didn't cut Polnareff in half, he jabbed Silver Chariot in the eye and then rapid fire punched that knocked a limb or two off.

King Crimson and Diavolo don't go for the head usually

He donuted Bruno and Abbacchio

[elfin tangle]

Pretty sure Josuke didn't directly hit Rai with spin

[runic adder]

no? i couldve sworn he did

[tepid nebula]

I thought he one punched him and knocked his legs and arm off

[rocky charm]

My point wasn't the idea that Jousuke's bubble could cause Calamity, rather that it as something that "doesn't exist" could mess with and redirect the Calamity of Tooru's Stand.
Theoretically.

[runic adder]

like, rai opened his shirt to show josuke that the bubble hit it

[elfin tangle]

Josuke has different bubbles

[tepid nebula]

Both who pm died

[elfin tangle]

For example, when he got at the rock insect that was on him, those weren't spin bubbles

[runic adder]

i think there is a lot of emphasis about it "surpassing" calamities

idk, it just doesnt feel entirely foreshadowed

[elfin tangle]

Yeah but DIO wouldn't and Diavolo doesn't have the hindsight to immediately try and go for the head

[runic adder]

but josuke didnt control the spin bubbles, otherwise why would he hit rai

just calamity shit?

[elfin tangle]

He hid bubbles to try and force Wonder of U to approach and get killed. Unfortunately Rai went forward and killed himself

[runic adder]

lol stupid rai

[tepid nebula]

Yeah he may not think that is what he would have to do to kill him but it that doesn’t mean he still wouldn’t do it

[runic adder]

what an idiot

[elfin tangle]

He wouldn't, he consistently tries to swipe limbs away or donut first. Or do a chop like he did against Bruno and tried to do against Polnareff in their "rematch"

[rocky charm]

smh can't believe they'd lose to Thanos

[elfin tangle]

nice

[tepid nebula]

True it’s not consistent but it could still be possible he could do it

[elfin tangle]

Going off his character, he'd definitely try to donut first. More in line with his personality.

[bright nebula]

diavolo or dio

[elfin tangle]

DIO

and Diavolo

Both like to donut people

[bright nebula]

Dio probably wouldnt start with a donut

Dio plays strategically

Diavolo, yeah probably would

[tepid nebula]

Fair

[dim crow]

He likes to toy with ppl I'd say

[tepid nebula]

^kinda sorta

[dim crow]

Diavolo tries to go for the kill most the time

🤜

[tepid nebula]

Yeah

[minor ore]

pain.

[dim crow]

[runic adder]

does anyone have some kind of this panel in 1080p?

[minor ore]

I could try looking for it

[dim crow]

Was that a spread or a panel? Idr

[rocky charm]

I just used an AI upscaler and made it bigger

Is this good enough

[dim crow]

Man great panel, I'm tempted to color it but I'm shit at coloring

[minor ore]

Can’t find it in a higher quality

[white pasture]

I don't think the bubble would've hit in the first place

[minor ore]

Here’s what AI coloured in

[runic adder]

There are ai colorings? That’s awesome

[rocky charm]

Sepia Jojolion

[minor ore]

That's really good

[runic adder]

I mean, that’s what official English releases look like

I have phantom blood and some chapters are colored orange for no reason

[runic adder]

Not just upscale but also has to be 16:9 ratio

[minor ore]

Now I'm imagining if this ai could color all of the manga

[runic adder]

Well the coloring doesn’t really add much

Since it’s bw, it just looks to me like it’s changing the shading

[minor ore]

it still looks good

I like the orange shading on Gappy

The AI is mostly designed for black and white photos and not Araki’s drawings, so it kinda left the background untouched and just changed the shading as much as it could

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 12 !

[runic adder]

Yea I like it

[rocky charm]

16:9

[kind owl]

@rocky charm, Your Hamon Rank is now level 20 !

[rocky charm]

ew now I'm Wang Chan

[runic adder]

It’s definitely discord compressed

Can you send me an Imgur link or smth of the like?

I can’t stand when wallpapers look pixelated lol

[runic adder]

What AI is it?

I wanna try that on a few panels

Unless I’m not able to cuz hardware

[minor ore]

Hotpot AI

[runic adder]

Cool

[minor ore]

https://hotpot.ai/colorize-picture

[runic adder]

Damn that’s impressive

It would be cool if something like that existed for drawings

Specifically

[minor ore]

It’s incredible how advanced deep learning is, but it’s also kinda scary, considering how easy it is to do stuff like deepfakes or imitate voices of other people

^^^

[runic adder]

Oh yea definitely

I hope deepfake privacy laws get better as lawmakers get in touch with tech

[golden latch]

Deep fakes will be the end of humanity

[minor ore]

Scared it could be used maliciously in the future

[runic adder]

It already is lol

Deepfake porn stuff exists

[rocky charm]

https://i.imgur.com/BIRPZYh.png

Ah why did it embed

[runic adder]

Bruh

Lmao

Embeds

[rocky charm]

I swear that was an imgur link

[runic adder]

Yea I saw it

[rocky charm]

Fine

Gallery

https://imgur.com/gallery/NbKoHrA

[minor ore]

pain.

[runic adder]

Idk I’ll get it at 16;9 myself ig

[minor ore]

Damn

[runic adder]

The embed worked better than the Imgur lol

[runic adder]

Indeed, it’s scary

[golden latch]

It probably uses a lot of comparing other photos, that don't exist for drawings

[minor ore]

Actually terrifying

At least we can have Notorious B.I.G. read out copypastas now

[minor ore]

Yeah, that’s kinda the basis of what it operates on, so it gets real confused when it sees drawings

[golden latch]

Could you feed it the colored manga pages and then have it color the new panels to resemble the old ones?

[minor ore]

Like this is what it did with last chapter’s cover art. It changed the shading, brought it a bit more purple, but other than that, it couldn’t do much.
Though it does look extremely cool

[runic adder]

I don’t think it’s their AI?

[runic adder]

Yea I like it’s aesthetic a lot

The thing is like, for stuff that is just left white to be colored in

How tf would it know what to put

You can only really associate certain shares with certain colors

Everyone would otherwise just have the exact same colorings for white parts of their clothing

Unless you did what Steven said and fed it colored manga panels

But idk how that would work, I’m not an engineer

[golden latch]

It leaves white as white because white in b&w is the same as white in color

[minor ore]

Oh yeah that seems a bit weird

[minor ore]

that JO gradient looks really awesome

[runic adder]

Yes but that’s for photos

[minor ore]

Yea, I guess you could do that tho, if you just copied the essential parts of the AI and fed it manga panels 24/7, but that’s like programming or something, so I am not going to dip my toes into it.

[runic adder]

I’m talking about, like, how would it differentiate the shades between for instance

Norisuke and yasuho hair

Since neither of those are colored

They would have the same exact color for hair

If the ai did accurately color

But like, if you just fed the ai jojolion panels and then asked it to do jojolion bw panels

Then it would just color it exactly like jojolion, no?

With a few discrepancies

It would be interesting for parts that haven’t been colored yet but besides that it would be pretty uninteresting

I’m not a AI engineer idk wtf I’m talking about

[sudden nymph]

lol

[minor ore]

From what I know about the way neural networks work, if you just give it a lot of already coloured JoJolion panels and made it colour a new JoJolion chapter, it would probably work it out.

[runic adder]

yea

i wish i knew how to make that lol

for any manga, really

that has official colorings, or even fan colorings

[rocky charm]

almost definitely not

[minor ore]

Since it learns and compares the new material to the already existing panels

[runic adder]

why not

[rocky charm]

It would have no idea how to tell who anyone was, since people are drawn differently in every panel

[runic adder]

hehe

AI's can recognize most anything as long as its fed images of it

[minor ore]

I guess it would if you gave it enough.

[runic adder]

it may be a little harder since its BW but it definitely would notice a majority of the panels

[rocky charm]

Even with the general idea of "this outfit or this hair belongs to this person", it wouldn't be able to figure out with perfect accuracy

[rocky charm]

It's much easier to recognize stuff based off of pictures vs based off of drawings

[minor ore]

But I am not qualified in the slightest to argue about it

[rocky charm]

Especially if we're feeding it colored panels and expecting it to recognize the B&W characters

Since it wouldn't have "seen" the B&W characters at all

And then there's things like Tsurugi's rock disease, which it would have nothing to base off of

It would have no clue what it's looking at

[minor ore]

The most I can do is probably make a chess bot in python and even that would be a lot of trouble, so advanced AI is not my field of knowledge

[runic adder]

thats still pretty cool

[minor ore]

But alright, let’s get back to JoJolion

[runic adder]

this coloring is cool af

for the most part

gotta love that colored text

[rugged turret]

It’s cool but kinda hurts my eyes

[runic adder]

its aesthetic but not practical

its rough around the edges and all

[minor ore]

if someone cleaned it up it could work

[runic adder]

nice

[minor ore]

it’s a lot smaller than i imagined

cover can also be removed too

[rocky charm]

Is he

holding a bubble

under his arm

Shouldn't that pop

[minor ore]

not when you’re the master of the bubbles

[barren bough]

yep, but isn't any price fair just to see more Part 8 artwork

[kind owl]

@barren bough, Your Hamon Rank is now level 10 !

[minor ore]

true

[runic adder]

didnt notice WOU in the bubbles at first glance

thats cool

[modern sable]

I don't like that coloring.

[runic adder]

ok

1)catch up to jojolion
2) cover yourself in anticipation

3. wait for chapter 106

4)wait for chapter 106

5. wait for chapter 106

[modern sable]

Yes

[obsidian jacinth]

chapter 106 when

[modern sable]

April 14th

[olive bobcat]

18th

[pure charm]

17th

[frozen charm]

Never

[sudden nymph]

6. wait for chapter 106

[white pasture]

16th for chapter preview 🙏

[light swift]

Jojolion is on hiatus in april

Wait until next month

[olive bobcat]

epic

[barren bough]

when do we get the actual chapter?

[olive bobcat]

18th

[barren bough]

thanks

[light swift]

Jokes aside

What do you think is gonna happen?

[hardy trench]

josuke dies

[light swift]

||Bc tooru looks pretty chill about that bubble heading towards him||

[olive bobcat]

i dont think he can see it

[light swift]

||Something relating to that bubble is gonna stop the plane piece from crushing yasuho and joshu||

[kind owl]

@light swift, Your Hamon Rank is now level 11 !

[runic adder]

how is he supposed to see it lol

you dont need to use spoiler tags

[runic adder]

or joshu uses nkc to break apart the plane door

[light swift]

I really don’t wanna spoil anything for people on this part

Oh right the bubble is invisible

[rocky charm]

Oh shoot

What if the bubble gets deflected and destroys the plane door

[runic adder]

ah thats nice

[light swift]

I don’t think joshu is gonna be fast enough to stop the plane piece lol

[runic adder]

who even knows really

its a plot convenience but jojo characters have done more extraordinary things before

[olive bobcat]

yeah, but yasuhos gonna survive jjl

[runic adder]

definitely

i dont think joshu or yasuho are gonna die really

[light swift]

Can’t wait for araki to explain how the bubble traveled through the phone

[runic adder]

i mean, joshu kinda has to survive for the flash forward

[light swift]

Yeah they’ll live i think

[olive bobcat]

joshu is immortal for the next 30 mins bc flashforward

[runic adder]

could just be a paisley park ability

[light swift]

I think it has something to do with- yeah her

[runic adder]

moving objects from phones

[light swift]

I was gonna say that

[runic adder]

honestly, if its limited to small objects that fit on the dimensions of a phone

that would be a cool power

and would be a cool way for josuke and yasuho to combine powers

[light swift]

Yeah it would be interesting

[runic adder]

yes
then again, theres tsurugi lol

and...why jobin wasnt in the flashforward

and...why mitsuba isnt there

and...why joshu has his arm

and...why everyone is so nonchalant

so a lot of stuff has to be explained for the flashforward

[rocky charm]

jobin dead

[runic adder]

[light swift]

Let us dream ok?

[runic adder]

not a dream

jobin truthers know its real

[olive bobcat]

joshu can take the plane door hit bc hes immortal rn :)

[light swift]

Praying on plot armor

[runic adder]

people have probably survived large objects falling from the sky before

im assuming

[olive bobcat]

calamitied objects?

[runic adder]

hmm idk about those objects

but joshu can survive the plane door, hes basically an analogy for jesus in jojo

[light swift]

Pretty sure any hit from calamities either end up in death or fatal injuries depending on what level of calamity ur on

[runic adder]

plane door is a pretty high level of calamity tbh

[light swift]

Joshu lost his fingers to the leaves

Yup

[runic adder]

its moving very fast

[light swift]

Thats death

[olive bobcat]

i mean, rai took a couple hits, but he had the doggy style advantage

[runic adder]

we dont know for sure if rai is dead

[light swift]

Bruh

He’s dead dead

[olive bobcat]

no, but like while they were wandering the hospital

[runic adder]

oh yea that

[runic adder]

yea i want to deny it just cuz i love rai but...

hes pretty dead to me

[light swift]

Yup half of his brain

[runic adder]

he took a ton of hits

[light swift]

Swiss cheesed

Kakyoined

[olive bobcat]

rai 😔

[runic adder]

at least we'll see him later when hes revealed to be a zeppeli after his death

[frozen charm]

Dead

[light swift]

Norisuke probably knows about the spin

[runic adder]

why would he

[light swift]

I dunno he might.

[runic adder]

he has access to the family tree, but i doubt he knows about spin

[light swift]

It might be a thing that runs in the family but only a few know of it

[runic adder]

cuz he didnt really know any of the joestars, he knew rais father but i assume it was just a professional basis

[runic adder]

higashikatas definitely dont know spin lol

[light swift]

Eh we’ll see

Prob don’t tho

[hard meteor]

most likely dont

[light swift]

Also whats with the king thing in every stand name?

[runic adder]

its just a cool motif

[light swift]

King nothing, paper moon king, walking heart, speed king

[runic adder]

it doesnt have any real importance to the plot

caato is theorized to have the stand name queen of spades

[runic adder]

nut king call

[light swift]

I want to see nkc evolve so badly

[runic adder]

haha

i dont exactly think thats gonna happen

its already a really good stand

[hard meteor]

i mean he does have A in devo potential

[runic adder]

thats just cuz hes a lil bitch that doesnt utilize his stand

but yea, i think nkc has a lot of potential in the future

[hard meteor]

stands that have those are likely to get upgraded or evolved in some way

[runic adder]

devo potential is like, the only stand stat that matters lol

and even then, its weird

[zenith blaze]

Uwuking

[frozen charm]

Nut king calling my mom

[minor ore]

Sped King

[rugged turret]

Perfect stand for joshu

[frozen charm]

Joshu ova

That's what the April event is gonna be

[minor ore]

LMAO

true that yo

[minor ore]

What’s his theme song?

[frozen charm]

His theme is called the call of the nut king

The joshu ova covers the events of milagro man

[minor ore]

I think it should be Moves like Jagger

For extra irony

[frozen charm]

The ed is

Uhhh

What's a joshu like song

[olive bobcat]

Jizz in my pants

[frozen charm]

I agree

🪤

[minor ore]

I’m so fresh you can suck my nuts 30 minute loop

[frozen charm]

أنا فقط تبولت في سروالي

[zenith blaze]

Ew

[olive bobcat]

What

[ember light]

racist?

???

[zenith blaze]

What they said in English is ew

Not the language

[ember light]

racist???

[zenith blaze]

No???

[ember light]

Ok

[zenith blaze]

J

[frozen charm]

Very racist

Extremely very racist

[zenith blaze]

!!!

[ember light]

better ping a mod ig

[zenith blaze]

Who’s racist!!

[minor ore]

Racist is my middle name

[frozen charm]

Me

[zenith blaze]

Oh no!!

[olive bobcat]

Mine is hilbert

[ember light]

mine is joshu

[minor ore]

^

Joshu irl

[zenith blaze]

Ja shoe

[minor ore]

Jew Josh

yeah check mangadex

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 2 !

[summer nova]

[light swift]

Mangadex still down

[olive bobcat]

probably will be for a couple weeks

[minor ore]

josuk8 😳😳😳😳

[minor ore]

Lmao

[elfin tangle]

Nah, stand stats aren't a good measurement. Joshu probably only has "A" because he NEVER uses Nut King Call to its full potential, NKC for all we know has another extension of its ability (without evolving) but Joshu never uses it. Joshu never even used Nut King Call to physically punch someone, the only time he does is in the non canon game EOH.

[hard meteor]

fair

[elfin tangle]

A shame since it looks so cool

[near cedar]

NKC looks cool af

[elfin tangle]

But all NKC is forced to do is just float there and look pretty while Joshu occasionally sends a bolt or something

[near cedar]

Araki: lemme barely use it

[minor ore]

nut king call can unscrew concepts and properties

I honestly don’t mind JJL stand designs

[elfin tangle]

Don't mind? A lot of them are freaking amazing

[near cedar]

Except a few

[elfin tangle]

Which makes it even more sad when they're underutilized or complete shit in ability

The only stands that were used to an adequate degree was Soft and Wet, Paisley Park (debatable), Wonder of U, Awaking Three Leaves and Speed King. Also King Nothing ig

[near cedar]

Walking Heart

[minor ore]

i like the one with king in its name

[elfin tangle]

Walking Heart looks pretty cool

The ability just sucks

[near cedar]

I meant the ability

When I saw the stand I was like

[minor ore]

Paper moon king wasn’t underutilized

[minor ore]

Sum ppl think a majority of them r rly ugly

[elfin tangle]

Yeah I was only talking in design

[near cedar]

This thing will be awesome

[minor ore]

same with doggystyle

[elfin tangle]

[near cedar]

Well shit I'm blind

[olive bobcat]

apart from i am a rock, i like all the jjl designs

[elfin tangle]

Ehhh... Yeah I guess- Just a shame Rai showed so late and got foddered

[minor ore]

We haven’t seen the humanoid stand in so long

[olive bobcat]

"humanoid"

[minor ore]

I forgot what it looked like

Or doganoid

Whatever it was

[elfin tangle]

When was the last time we ever saw the full stand show itself?

[minor ore]

I agree w this honestly

[olive bobcat]

i dont remember seeing it past urban fight

[elfin tangle]

Even Nut King Call physically appeared more even if NKC wasn't used and just kinda... floated there (thanks Joshu)

[minor ore]

I think part 3 of the plant appraiser

[hard meteor]

last time it was fully shone was in ozone baby

[elfin tangle]

Incredible

[olive bobcat]

oh it was in ozon?

ok

[hard meteor]

ye

[minor ore]

Oh yeah that too

[elfin tangle]

Rai got a bad deal

[modern sable]

Hero Name: Flesh Leach

[zenith blaze]

There in the doggystyle position!!

[minor ore]

Araki can’t keep getting away with this

[elfin tangle]

What the fuck, that design is sick. Why couldn't we see it in the background more whenever Rai did anything? That's what happened with Joshu even when he didn't use his stand

[olive bobcat]

doggie

hehe

[zenith blaze]

Rai let’s his stand fuck him!!

[minor ore]

gay

[elfin tangle]

[minor ore]

I think Araki just likes drawing some stands more than others

[hard meteor]

Yeah it’s a shame I miss that form so much

[modern sable]

Imagine if WoU can take people to the void.

[minor ore]

What the fuck is the void LMAO

[olive bobcat]

eh?
you mean the hand/cream zone?
thats the closest thing we got to the void in jojos

[modern sable]

Maybe

[elfin tangle]

Definitely a weakness of Jojolion as some dope ass stands don't show up enough. Even stands that suck at combat like Moody Blues got more shine, what's Rai's excuse?

[minor ore]

“No time for stand; need to draw his ass”

[olive bobcat]

hopefully the 2033 jjl anime gives us more

[elfin tangle]

Why is it now when Araki really starts getting deep in creative and good looking stand designs... Is when he draws them less

[minor ore]

[minor ore]

shown

[elfin tangle]

Jojolion fans stay losing

[olive bobcat]

society

[minor ore]

I would be less confused if Araki just wanted us to see what it looked like and then never showed it again, but then it appears in Ozone Baby and now I want more of it

[sudden nymph]

cough nut king call cough

[minor ore]

Jojolion fans stay winning because we have the best part

i wish joshu was more of a main character

[elfin tangle]

EVEN NUT KING CALL APPEARED MORE THAN DOGGY STYLE

and Joshu's a shithead that never used his stand!

[minor ore]

same with kei

[olive bobcat]

we saw it in the last couple chaps right
NKC i mean

[hard meteor]

Yeah

But he doesn’t do anything with it 😔

[minor ore]

josuke, yasuho, rai, joshu, kei would’ve been a sick group

[runic adder]

at least jjl stands show themselves more than sbr stands

[olive bobcat]

yeah, but i kinda like that arakis shrinking his protag groups

gives more development to all of them

[elfin tangle]

It seems ever since Part 7, Araki felt a need to draw them less

[elfin tangle]

Agreed

[runic adder]

in sbr verse they function more as superpowers than punchy ghosts so it makes sense

[minor ore]

i guess

[olive bobcat]

more like tools even

[minor ore]

could’ve had rai more early on to make up for it

[elfin tangle]

Which is weird since a lot of stands still function as punch ghosts

[olive bobcat]

man, if only he switched rai and karera intros so we got more rai

[minor ore]

Respect the Araki process, it’s probably better this way that Joshu got sidelined for more Josuke and Yasuho focus. He still shows up a lot through the part and out of the other siblings except Jobin, he does the most contributions to the plot.

[elfin tangle]

^

[minor ore]

true

[elfin tangle]

As much as I like Kei, Joshu, and Rei... They're better off not being forced as a protag group

[minor ore]

maybe joshu will come back in part 9

[elfin tangle]

I do and don't want Joshu to come back

[minor ore]

Rei has had a lot of focus lately

Well

Before he died

rai

He was by Josuke’s side for a great amount of chapters

[olive bobcat]

rei is proof that they will fuse

[runic adder]

in jjl, besides soft and wet most stands barely get an "ora rush"

[minor ore]

Good

Lol

[runic adder]

who is they

[olive bobcat]

rai and kei

rei

[minor ore]

joshu and rai

[runic adder]

oh i see

[elfin tangle]

I just wish Araki didn't skimp out on drawing Doggy Style. He could've easily done the thing where Doggy Style is behind Rai as he attacks the Head Doctor

[minor ore]

Kei and Rai epic fusion confusion

[runic adder]

yea i can see them exchanging

but like...how

[light swift]

How r they gonna fuse?

[olive bobcat]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[runic adder]

theres only one rokaker

i mean, they both got injured...in a hospital

[light swift]

Theres a fruit in the lab?

[elfin tangle]

"injured"

[runic adder]

not the variant that can fuse them

[minor ore]

the stuff on the floor

[hard meteor]

All the fruits in the lab got destroyed

[light swift]

Both of them are dead I’m pretty sure

[minor ore]

y’all really sped through the part huh

[light swift]

Josuke fucking stomped on them

[minor ore]

“Josuke, you kinda destroyed all the stuff in this room that could’ve healed us”

[light swift]

Oof

[runic adder]

didnt the rokakakas there have pieces of wu inside them

[minor ore]

Real talk though you can’t heal the dead

[elfin tangle]

Kei took a sharp cane to the brain and Rai got a bubble explosion to the head. I call bullshit if any of the two survive especially when we see Born This Way break apart

[minor ore]

call me hopeful but i think both of them will be fine

[elfin tangle]

[hard meteor]

Nah rais a goner

[elfin tangle]

Rai is dead as fuck

[hard meteor]

Dude is literally a ghost

[light swift]

Millions of yen’s worth of medicine destroyed

[elfin tangle]

We see both Rai and Kei's hands hold onto Josuke's

[olive bobcat]

rai and the doctors race to josuke is underrated
end of 97-beginning of 98

[minor ore]

i hold hands with people i guess i’m dead then

[light swift]

But if they some how do

Thats gonna be interesting

Wait a sec

[elfin tangle]

Except it was blatantly their ghosts

[minor ore]

Lmao

[elfin tangle]

The two are on the ground

[runic adder]

its impossible they could get fused

[light swift]

They need to be like uh

Squished together like Kira and jose was

Underground

[elfin tangle]

The only reason it happened with Kira and Josefumi was due to the wall eyes

[light swift]

Like a sandwich

[runic adder]

well, and the new rokakaka

[hard meteor]

Right they need to be at the wall eyes to fuse

[runic adder]

but they need the wall eyes

and i doubt they can get there

at all

[elfin tangle]

I doubt Josuke would force a fusion between them either

[light swift]

That would explain why josuke likes sleeping the way he does

[elfin tangle]

He already seemed to cut his losses with Rai and Kei

[runic adder]

unless he meticulously used s&w to fuse their body parts together lmao

[minor ore]

Yasuho is dead because she held Josuke’s hand

[light swift]

Just buy the sailer some weighted blankets

[runic adder]

it kinda sucks kei died as quickly as she did
literally showed up for lke 2 chapters and died

[olive bobcat]

yeah

[hard meteor]

[elfin tangle]

Jojolion takes a massive blow in my respect if Araki ever does something like that

[light swift]

She threw her bike and got hit with a stick

[olive bobcat]

yasuho is the fucking dead

[runic adder]

yea no i doubt even josefumi could do that

[minor ore]

Rip Yasuho

[minor ore]

wasted potential

[runic adder]

and fusing body parts isnt gonna bring someone back to life, unless theres a joseph asspull somehow

[elfin tangle]

I can't entirely blame Araki for not using Kei as her stand seems like it'd suck shit to balance a fight around

[runic adder]

i want to believe araki is past that tho

[light swift]

Ur gonna fuse 2 corpses

[runic adder]

yea its difficult

[minor ore]

too predictable too

[olive bobcat]

has there ever been a protag with an automatic stand?

[runic adder]

i think she still could have done some more stuff besides reveal the literal wall eyes secret, a huge reveal, and then just kinda...disappear

[minor ore]

that’s why he ditched the time travel shit in part 4 because people predicted it so easily

[light swift]

The walls eyes is kinda like the devils palm

[minor ore]

Nope

[minor ore]

Don’t think so

[runic adder]

not really

[elfin tangle]

Nope and for good reason

[olive bobcat]

probably bc writing it would be hell

[light swift]

It gives stands to whoever is close to it

Like yashuo

And maybe joshu

[minor ore]

awakens

[runic adder]

yasuho already had her stand

[light swift]

Awakens stands*

[hard meteor]

I’m pretty sure yasuho had hers as a kid

[minor ore]

yasuho already had it

[light swift]

Oh right she did

When she was a kid

[runic adder]

but joshu gets his

and josuke, idk

[minor ore]

josuke already had soft and wet/killer queen

[light swift]

Basically a search engine stand

[elfin tangle]

No? Pretty sure it was always intended to be some guy, maybe Araki had a dropped idea but from what we see... The uniform is completely different

[light swift]

Killer and wet

[near cedar]

Nein

[runic adder]

it depends on what the wall eyes flashback man says to josuke if he had s&w from the start

[minor ore]

Born this way would be a cool automatic stand to have if she was a main character , I don’t think it would’ve been predictable for fights

[runic adder]

he literally deconfirmed it in an interview lol

[olive bobcat]

caato mv

[light swift]

How do you think it would be if a protag had an automatic stand?

[minor ore]

i see you completely sped through my message

[kind owl]

@minor ore, Your Hamon Rank is now level 3 !

[runic adder]

boring

[light swift]

Aw

[runic adder]

josuke basically uses it as an automatic stand when he sets up bubble traps at the hospital lol

[elfin tangle]

Disagree, the stand ability is extremely specific and it's just limited

[runic adder]

if that counts

[olive bobcat]

in theory its cool, but action scenes become stupid

[elfin tangle]

^

[minor ore]

Protag with an automatic stand would be trash asf, and prolly hell to write as well

[minor ore]

he literally said in an interview that he changed it to be some guy because people predicted the time travel stuff too easily

[hard meteor]

That’s not true

[elfin tangle]

Nope you said "ditched the time travel shit in Part 4 because it's too predictable" when that was never confirmed.

[minor ore]

It’s true I was there Araki told me

[elfin tangle]

Proof?

[hard meteor]

The only interview he mentioned that guy was to say he was just a random dude in josukes memory

[light swift]

The explosive spin is soft and wets evolution right?

[minor ore]

Guys I AM Araki it’s all true

[light swift]

Protag for the next part?

[hard meteor]

The “time travel” shit was just a myth by fans

[elfin tangle]

^^^^

[minor ore]

i’m sure you’re more than capable to find it

[minor ore]

Diego’s great great grandson

[runic adder]

im sure you're more than capable to provide a source

[elfin tangle]

So you make a claim like that and don't bring a source to back yourself up?

[minor ore]

yeah

[runic adder]

lol at least you admit it

[elfin tangle]

Then you're wrong as such a magical interview never exists

[minor ore]

proof?

[light swift]

I want the baseball kid to come back

Emperio with his ghost house

[elfin tangle]

The fact that it's not sourced anywhere I'm looking so...

[olive bobcat]

the guy who drew CD on the pavement will manifest it

[minor ore]

try harder

[light swift]

Send fuckers to the backrooms

[elfin tangle]

Nope

[minor ore]

When it combos with Josuke’s bubbles making them freeze I saw some potential in her stand. It could be used for some fights. Ultra specific but really cool to see in action; the stand design is awesome.

[elfin tangle]

Not gonna as it doesn't exist

[near cedar]

You ever heard of this thing, burden of proof, you make a claim then present evidence

[elfin tangle]

Yeah but that's extremely specific and wouldn't make fights any better

[near cedar]

Not that you can

Considering the thing you are saying doesn't exist

[elfin tangle]

Kei's stand is cool and all but it blatantly doesn't fit in any of Part 8's battles

[light swift]

It does

[elfin tangle]

It... doesn't though, Part 8's battles were specifically centered around the abilities given to us

[light swift]

Most of the fights in the story were automatic pursuit stands

And long range

[runic adder]

villain stands are always hyperspecific and protag stands are generalized for a reason

[minor ore]

Automatic stand vs automatic stand, I think the only time we say that was with WoU vs BtW

[elfin tangle]

And your suggestion for that is to throw another automatic pursuit stand? When it was specifically formed that way for Soft and Wet and other stand users to handle?

Sounds way too messy and a pain to balance

[light swift]

True

[runic adder]

the only way kei could be helpful in a fight is maybe blue lagoon, cuz josuke got clapped there

[light swift]

Still pretty cool