I think next hiatus will be February
#jojolion
junior coral
She could make the room cold with Born This Way
sudden nymph
But Tooru isn’t in a room
junior coral
WoU is
sudden nymph
So is josuke
junior coral
Wonder of U is really fucking confusing. It's a sentient and automatic Stand????
Wtf
sudden nymph
It can switch I guess
stark fossil
When the guy attacked Josuke when he was running after the ambulance
And Josuke did a kind of bubble bitchslap
And the dude's freaking neck snapped
That was Araki hinting at the bubbles redirecting the flow wasn't it
inland oyster
WOU can do anything at this point
@stark fossil It hints at another ability that got revealed this chapter but interesting observation
Did it?
sudden nymph
It can probably just dance and you get erased from existence
frozen charm
Can wonder of u do my mom???
stark fossil
@inland oyster which ability is that
inland oyster
the anger trigger
when yasuho is tryna find someone to call on the phone joshu loses it when she's about to call kei
stark fossil
hmm
I still feel like it's just a side effect of the universe having to change just enough to attack the target
I love how nicely things tie in though
All I'm really praising is "planning" which I would take for granted in like any other series
sudden nymph
I have no idea where jojolion is going and I really like that
stark fossil
It's basically unpredictable but also you can predict certain things if you really try
Because He actually foreshadows instead of throwing ideas away or adding new stuff and trying to make it fit
frozen charm
mfw no anwser to my question
stark fossil
Sorry eggward
The answer is no because that would violate medical code of conduct
So my guess is Born This Way starts pursuing Tooru, we know BTW is indestructible so it's a hard counter buuuut
kind owlBOT
@stark fossil, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 11 !
stark fossil
I think Kei has to make physical contact with Tooru before it will work on him, and then Tooru has to open something???
frozen charm
ok good
inland oyster
yasuho asked her to go after josuke
stark fossil
So expecting Him to mess with the conditions for BTW like He did with FFF
inland oyster
she won't get hit by a calamity on the way but it'll be an interesting fight
cedar furnace
i have a question
can STANDS be hit by calamity?
because rai used doggy style and got super close with no reaction
stark fossil
PP was suffering the same injuries as Yasuho wasn't she?
cedar furnace
yeah but that's because that's a stand and user connection
like how FV got hurt when D4C got hurt
stark fossil
I don't think we've ever seen a Stand pursue Tooru without the user pursuing Tooru too...
sudden nymph
Can we get an official explanation of wonder of u like next chapter plz
stark fossil
But I think Born This Way operates subconsciously doesn't it? So maybe Kei wouldn't even need to think about pursuing Tooru, for BTW to pursue Tooru anyway
cedar furnace
Can we get an official explanation of wonder of u like next chapter plz
@sudden nymph there's a good twitter post on it, i'll link it
stark fossil
Could happen by accident lul
sudden nymph
No just no
cedar furnace
stark fossil
No I don't want any more Wonder of U explanation. Taking up valuable pages
What is it like 16 chapters explaining this freaking thing
Even if it still doesn't make sense I'd rather He gave up explaining
sudden nymph
And we still don’t know everything about it
frozen charm
this man
frozen charm
pin the thing that says you pinned a message
stark fossil
Oh snap
Not a very good impersonation if you look completely different to the guy you're impersonating
frozen charm
im gonna alt f4
cedar furnace
but im in a disc server with them
stark fossil
Tooru also seems to know, or possibly control, how the calamity will affect them
inland oyster
im kinda on the vibe that araki just weirdly drew akefu
stark fossil
Also how do people forget they saw Tooru/the HD? Is it the Stand, or does everyone in this Part just have crappy memories
inland oyster
they do?
sudden nymph
Why does Tooru have a stuffed bear as a fashion design
stark fossil
Rai doesn't seem to recognise his figure despite seeing it at the wedding right? Although he was pretty young
And I think Yasuho said he was someone different in her memory
stark fossil
Most of my questions are probably just based on a slight mistranslation. I remember "you can make him come to you" got mistranslated as "you can be made to pursue him" and sparked a different theory
Yeah he remembers in the confrontation
But back in the initial chase
I know this is all a bit tenuous I'm just excited lul
frozen charm
tooru is real?????
sudden nymph
Why is jojolion named jojolion I feel like I’m a idiot for not knowing
inland oyster
But back in the initial chase
@stark fossil He didn't get a clear look IIRC
and if he did, it just didn't come back to him
stark fossil
I was thinking he might have seen the backward standing pose
heavy ledge
everytime i read that im more convinced araki said "this sounds nice" and just named it like that
stark fossil
Maybe that figure is not as memorable to JoJo characters as it is irl
junior coral
absurd
stark fossil
Need a panel animation of Tooru eating wasps over the Bugsnax theme
Or at least fake Kakyoin eating beetles
junior coral
BEHOLD
faint rivet
do you make these
junior coral
I made that one yes
faint rivet
nice
noble haven
Shit meme cuz you called Yasuho as Koichi for le funnies
junior coral
SHSSH
faint rivet
ngl i didn't know what the guys originally said because i've only seen the edited versions
junior coral
they called her Susan
noble haven
I know the woman in the 2nd pic says something about human resources
junior coral
yes
frozen charm
sex
plush solstice
seggs
near cedar
She literally calls Josuke cuz of Tooru not Joshu
She barely acknowledges Joshu after telling him to fuck off for being a cunt
near cedar
I will point out that it doesn't make sense
woven anvilBOT
near cedar
Oh yey slow mode gone
long hound
Tf u mean
near cedar
Crappy shirt, ugly ass pants
long hound
Mf got an oval on his head and teddy bears on his arms
long hound
Old man stand vs Power Ranger stand
inland oyster
tooru's only issue with his drip is the teddy bear
junior coral
Did you guys like the Paisley Park hand on the phone detail
near cedar
Old man wins
inland oyster
he looks fly as fuck, the teddy bears are just awful
HD doe??? Mad drip
I want a hat and scarf like that
junior coral
fo weal
inland oyster
power combo
long hound
Joshu has to put effort into his stand battles. Meanwhile tooru's lazy ass gotta get his grandpa to fight his battles. His stand doesnt even respect him enough to ask permission, old man jus does what he wants. Imagine being emasculated by your own stand.
inland oyster
tooru controls the old man
he talks through him and shit
it would be funny if the HD had it's own personality though
inland oyster
the automatic form just sorta does its own thing, likely with some mental commands
long hound
Tooru a beta
The only reason he got yasuho is cuz he literally groomed her since she was a little kid. Mf a discord admin irl.
faint rivet
heck yeah no more slow mode
hollow fog
Your next line is: "Pillarmen = rockpeople?"
long hound
Pillarmen = rockpeople?
simple kraken
kitten, please stop pursuing daddy
hollow fog
Please keep the calamities out of general chat
errant prairie
insert joke about a certain character in a certain future part
@hollow fog Diavolo = Mitsuba confirmed
hollow fog
Oh because he's a guy?
errant prairie
Because Solido Naso = Solid Nose
hollow fog
Every nose is solud
errant prairie
Yeah, but Mitsuba's is more solid
sudden nymph
If joshu says cringe in the next chapters he will officially go down as the best jojo character ever
stark fossil
my beautiful sexually starved arm donor
long hound
Warning: Bee
long hound
Hes eliminating the competition
The bears on his arms represent the baby rock humans holding on to the wasp
The wasp is considered the savior of the rock humans
He eats the other wasps to represent that they are no longer needed for the survival of the rock human species, as he is their new savior.
stark fossil
I think he eats the wasps just nostalgically
long hound
No he is wasp man
stark fossil
I like where you're going with it thpo
long hound
He even got little antenna
long hound
also flower imagery on his clothes and stand
wasps pollinate like bees they just dont make honey
kind owlBOT
@long hound, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 6 !
near cedar
Joshu has to put effort into his stand battles. Meanwhile tooru's lazy ass gotta get his grandpa to fight his battles. His stand doesnt even respect him enough to ask permission, old man jus does what he wants. Imagine being emasculated by your own stand.
@long hound ha ha ha ha his stand battles
What battles
Sticking a dollar in a guy
Cuz that's the only "fight" that involved a stand he was in
near cedar
Idc I see nonsense I correct it
faint rivet
What if the bee warning was warning Yasuho that Tooru was nearby 😳
long hound
its like when they alert you that a sexual predator is in the area
but yeah i think thats what is meant
sudden nymph
What if it just means nothing
And araki put it there because why not
@near cedar technically he was in the vitamin c fight for like 5 seconds and actually tried to do something unlike the other family members (besides hato)
long hound
yall look for meaning in everything but when I suggest that A person that was raised by wasps, has antenna like hair, wears striped shirt with flowers on it, and eats wasps, could have some wasp symbolism thats too much for you
sudden nymph
Ok daddy
faint rivet
i was fr joking about the bee warning thing but cool
faint rivet
thanks eggward
frozen charm
Np
long hound
Eggward
frozen charm
What
gilded ferry
WONDER OF U
gilded ferry
IDC
faint rivet
eggward is a very nice name
long hound
It makes me sad to be named will smith
faint rivet
at least you don't gotta write your name in a fancy font because "Nate" is too common of a name on discord
sudden nymph
My name is the best name
faint rivet
i doubt there is anyone else on discord with your name
wind scroll
Damn well I’m glad female Okuyasu is returning
gilded ferry
Shes done very little I think so it would be good if she does some insane shit
hollow fog
Well legally she can't touch him if he says no
sudden nymph
We all know jojo characters obey the law
fallow sand
Is Joubin actually dead? Everyone is saying he died but like. Really? Out of nowhere right after he got character development.
kind owlBOT
@fallow sand, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
glass lily
I dont think so
fallow sand
Also I remember seeing a theory that Joubin was trying to trick tooru. But like it dosent seem that plausable anymore
Because he tried to attack yashuo
glass lily
The "deaths" we've had so far haven't had the the impact as they should so I don't think anyone of the main characters has died yet
Norisuke especially since I doubt araki would just show him dying in a flashforward unless he was going to subvert people's expectations
Then again, this part has had crazy twists so they could just be dead already
fallow sand
Hmm yeh. I think norisuke is alive. But I'm not sure about Joubin. Cause we recently saw him use his ability in a new way.
glass lily
I'm still hoping for kaato to show up and work alongside jobin, so it would be nice for him to still be alive just for that
fallow sand
Idk why jojolion feels so empty. It feels like we barely see minor characters use their stands. The villians get to use their stands properly. But we barely see the main heroes using their abilities. and it feels like they are gonna appear again but like we are at chapter 102 and the rokkakaka is already finished.
hard meteor
its not finished yet
fallow sand
Yeh but idk how that gonna reintroduce all the old characters and make it feels satisfying
glass lily
I feel that there could still be a lot more chapters and don't even think we're at the final fight yet
fallow sand
I guess so
surreal island
Will part 8 end next year
glass lily
I doubt it
hard meteor
probably not
fallow sand
I really don't know where he gonna take the story after tooru
glass lily
If wonder of u doesn't turn out to be the final fight then it could go on for even a couple more years
The final Valentine fight was really long for part 7 after all
fallow sand
Yeh but even so I'm pretty sure jojolion has surpassed part 7 in length
hard meteor
hes gonna take the story to back to the higashikata story line,it was hinted at chapters back
with the flashforward
fallow sand
Oh another thing @hard meteor who the fuck is the guy in gappy's flashback
hard meteor
no idea
glass lily
araki seems to get a lot out of slice of life style storylines, like how part 4 was the longest of the pre sbr universe parts
fallow sand
part 8 is supposed to be smiliar to part 4 but something just seems missing
stark fossil
bad arcs
glass lily
I really hope there is something after wonder of u because I'm getting really sick of reading about being pursued and pursuing
willow crystal
Also Jotaro isnt in this one
@gilded ferry Kira and Kei are Jotaro Kira has Jotaro’s personality and Kei has Jotaro’s design
hard meteor
dont worry theres an entire plot line that'll come after it
willow crystal
Josuke vs Jobin
@gilded ferry that won’t ever happen
stark fossil
wait part 4 had no bad arcs either
gilded ferry
Uh yeah josuke vs jobin is definitely gonna happen. Josuke vs higashikata family atleast
frozen charm
😔
fallow sand
Unnecessary fights yeah
@gilded ferry yup especially the key brother fight. it felt like love love deluxe was gonna be like the Mikitaka and Tonio encounter but then it just turned into a fight
glass lily
Not that kyo is back, I'm expecting kaato to show up any chapter now
willow crystal
Not that kyo is back, I'm expecting kaato to show up any chapter now
@glass lily Kei*
Kyo is now Kei
fallow sand
was there ever just meeting a stand user and not being involved in a fight with it? like Mikitaka and Tonio.
surreal island
This shit too long a imo uninteresting
gilded ferry
Oh jojolion has a long way to go
surreal island
I feel like the finale is were I’ll appreciate it more
gilded ferry
Yeah the hair hoe
glass lily
This is one part that I never want to end
gilded ferry
We finna see josuke do the spin thingy and hit him with the lesson 5
surreal island
I want this part to end asap
It was good at first
But for me it fell off a bit after he started pursuing the fruit
hard meteor
surreal island
Once josuke stopped bodying ppl it fel off
gilded ferry
Lmao
surreal island
Imo might I add
gilded ferry
We are seeing spin now though so he might body really hard now
I feel like tooru gonna get fucked more than diavolo
surreal island
We saw like a panel of spin tho then went back to pursuing doctor dolittle
gilded ferry
We will see more spin soon
stark fossil
I think it is spin with a small S
I don't think the Spin winning at this point would be good
gilded ferry
S^2 = s(s+1)h bar
gilded ferry
Well technically the bubbles were always spin
gilded ferry
Depends. How do we apply the spin operator to the bubbles
stark fossil
Is that some kind of physics joke that I'm too computer science to understand
frozen charm
Are ya coding son
fallow sand
i don't want the part to end, but I know it has too, and waiting a month for a new chapter is driving me insane
young meteor
Just be patient
near cedar
Is waiting really that hard?
sudden nymph
if wonder of u: crazy train is real what do you guys think it will do
glass lily
I don't think it will do anything because I don't think it will be a thing that happens
pulsar yoke
Jojolion
glass lily
I guess that technically counts as discussion of jojolion
sudden nymph
@glass lily I said if
glass lily
why wonder about a thing that wouldn't happen?
sudden nymph
Because it’s fun to discuss
stark fossil
The crazy train redirects redirections back to the original direction
winter ridge
my theory of Wonder of U is that it's ability is actually to intimidate people by creating illusions
then , if they fear WOU, THAT is when calamity happens
we saw that pursuit doesn't necessarily mean that calamity will trigger (rai choking HD, calamity only struck when HD started insulting him and reminding him of his dead father. he only was harmed once he began to fear the HD)
josuke and friends were initially chasing WOU in the hospital, and were only minorly harmed at first because they were barely afraid at all. when those little injuries added up, they got more and more scared of chasing him, and in turn the injuries got worse
i think the "pursuit" thing is a lie made to intimidate people
pulsar yoke
That may be true
sudden nymph
I don’t think we should treat this as fact
near cedar
Kei showed up again
So the people who said she's been removed were wrong
That's a win in my book
junior coral
Next chapter Fugo's coming back guys I can feel it!!
I've been waiting 25 years but I think it's gonna happen!!
near cedar
The realization that was probably something people said every chapter of GW when it was coming out
OOF
zenith urchin
emporio is going to show up and start giving speedwagon-eque commentary
junior coral
OOF
winter ridge
suddenly valentine appears with D4C and kills everyoen the end
sudden nymph
“Emporio will be the protagonist of part 9”- Definitely Araki
noble vigil
bro can the next chapter come out already
so much could happen
and i wanna know whats gonna happen 😔 
light bone
suddenly valentine appears with D4C and kills everyoen the end
nah, as we learned now, Josuke has the power of the spin in his bubbles. Funny boi doesn't stand a chance.
I've always joked the Soft & Wet's Plunder and bubbles are the most OP ability in Jojo to date
kind owlBOT
@light bone, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
light bone
but maybe they will actually be
heavy ledge
It can take the air of your lungs off/The air off of your lungs idk
light bone
I mean, nothing will beat Superfly, but that's besides the point.
Adding "spin" to his ability makes me feel like it's tying back to SBR especially given the ties Johnny has to the backstory.
Soft & Wet, Act IV: Infinite Spinning Plunder
near cedar
I've always joked the Soft & Wet's Plunder and bubbles are the most OP ability in Jojo to date
How can it be more op then Infinite Spin that is a bullet nail that probably goes faster then the bubble, and GER
Or The World when pared with it's vampire user
primal lintel
🟢
🪡
sudden nymph
Soft and wet is the third maybe second most powerful protag stand imo
near cedar
GE, Star Plat, Tusk
sudden nymph
Oh yeah I forgot about GER
near cedar
Not even GER
sudden nymph
You right
sudden nymph
I feel like in a fight where they don’t know each other’s powers soft and wet would win if it had plunder
near cedar
Possibly
sudden nymph
Against regular GE
sudden nymph
Plunder is pretty op but it’s never used again
Has Gappy ever acknowledged that he used plunder because this might be stupid but what if he just didn’t know
near cedar
Yes he has
"I have stolen the friction from the floor"
At the last chapter of the fight with Fun Fun FUn
sudden nymph
Oh ok
minor ore
I gotta read the chapter
Then again once I read the chapter I’ll have to wait for the next month
so I’ll just wait until the next chapter releases
And I can read two chapters in one day
Or I’ll just wait until Jojolion is finished
Better yet I’ll wait until they sell the manga in America and then I’ll buy it
zenith tangle
Good luck in 2040
faint gust
this is why you read other manga in the meantime and then don't feel like catching up and are still more excited for jojo
grizzled pilot
are people really out there reading one manga
upper knoll
I wouldnt be surprised
near cedar
Some ppl just like JoJo and think it's the best anime/manga ever and everything else is shit
I've seen it said a few times
faint gust
for me it's just been a case of "Man, JoJo is so cool it makes me want to check out other mangas" and the one I'm reading now is great but also feels long as hell
lost slate
Some ppl just like JoJo and think it's the best anime/manga ever and everything else is shit
usually, the people that say it haven't read any other manga
static violet
I am happy Kyo Nijimura is back,The fight between Gappy and Born this way was my favorite
noble haven
Kei Kira*
noble haven
@proper hinge it's Kei Kira
cope and seethe
her dad's family name is Kira
and her official and actual name is Kei
so what does that give us
Kei Kira
minor ore
Yup yup yup @proper hinge
Kei kira is her real name
Kei Nijimura is her fake name
yall arguin over that?
minor ore
@grizzled pilot didn’t you post something about her name earlier
upper knoll
man is in denial
kind owlBOT
@upper knoll, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 33 !
lost slate
yeah, kei is literally her name
upper knoll
ok let's go
lost slate
kyo is literally a mistake because kanji can be ambiguous
near cedar
Lmao
Imagine arguing that her name is Kyo Nijimura when she's the daughter of Holly Joestar Kira
proper hinge
Dude were not arguing,
near cedar
Because I know they’re wrong and they do too.
Looks like arguing to me
proper hinge
It’s a joke not arguing idiot.
noble haven
is it me or does Kira look way different in the beginning of JJL in pics than he does in actual flashbacks
hard meteor
he does yeah
near cedar
It’s a joke not arguing idiot.
ad hominem, nice
Because you can totally see when something is a joke when it's just text
Also not like there aren't JoJo fans who wouldn't unironically argue about shit like that
hard meteor
🧢
near cedar
Part 7 still the best part
I disagree
faint rivet
part 7 is decent but far from the best part
sudden nymph
I like part 7 the best but everyone has different opinions
Part 7,8,6 are my favorite parts in that order
light bone
I think part 7 & 8 are the most interesting in the types of stand battles that exist, because a lot of them are huge changes of pace from earlier more "standard" fights.
I mean
Beetle Tendency, come on
sudden nymph
Battle tendency is third last for me
sudden nymph
Oh yeah part 9 is great
junior coral
Beetles
light bone
sudden nymph
^
ebon rampart
junior coral
facts
sudden nymph
Joshu is going to achieve heaven in the next few chapters this is my prediction you can disagree with it but then you will be wrong so I wouldn’t do that
Yeah I don’t think joshu will fight Tooru either because if he did Tooru would loose and that would ruin the story
junior coral
LMAO
light bone
everyone is entitled to their opinions, but that one just seems wild to me
granted, I have the opinion that Stone Ocean might be the worst part of Jojo, so we've all got a fringe opinion or two
cedar furnace
yeah thats a bad opinon i think we shoudl just drop our jojo hot takes
granted, i think DIU is a bad part
frozen charm
Joshu will be real in 24 hours
junior coral
DIU isn't that good yeah
void hill
Nani
junior coral
I like it more now than I used to but it's not even my top 5
cedar furnace
i cant say anything about PB because i havent watched it
junior coral
L
void hill
NIGERANDAYO
light bone
haven't even watched PB?
light bone
cedar furnace
i do have a reason
kind owlBOT
@cedar furnace, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 6 !
junior coral
Explain then
cedar furnace
basically
i was in such a bad mental state back when i first got into jojo that i almost killed mysef and my friend was worried that PB was too boring and he had me start at SDC
junior coral
What about Battle Tendency bruh
noble haven
Damn
junior coral
jeex
cedar furnace
i love battle tendency
noble haven
doesnt mean you should skip them
junior coral
That's your (very weird) opinion
noble haven
you're free to of course
junior coral
exactly
noble haven
Yeah it deserves a watch
junior coral
Okay I mean that's understandable
noble haven
even if it's the worst jojo part
junior coral
At least you didn't just skip it because someone told you to
light bone
PB is so short too
kind owlBOT
@light bone, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 3 !
junior coral
Also I'd just like to point out, it may be the worst JoJo part, but it's still good
Standalone it's very enjoyable
I would not have gotten into the series without it
So I disagree when someone says it's boring
light bone
Yeah, like every Jojo part is easily "good or better"
junior coral
yeah
Just because I like Phantom Blood the least doesn't mean I don't like it a heck of a lot
noble haven
For me part 1 was boring asl
junior coral
I just like all 7 other parts better is all
junior coral
exactly
cedar furnace
either boring, good or great
noble haven
This
cedar furnace
and i only put boring so i have somewhere to sort DIU
junior coral
heh
noble haven
DIU is probably objectively the 3rd best jojo part
Only because it's inspired by twin peaks
cedar furnace
at first i hated Stone Ocean but i re-read it and its top 3 for me now
light bone
DiU has the strongest stand in the universe: Superfly
cedar furnace
superfly was cool
cedar furnace
something i love about battle tendency (and even phantom blood) is the art style
noble haven
The raw artstyle is good
the anime butchers it though
just like how it butchers the artstyle of all parts
noble haven
I specifically don't like how part 5 looks like in the anime
light bone
Interesting, I found the animation of VA to make me like it more
I thought the manga was kinda boring
Giorno still most boring jojo
noble haven
I prefer original source material almost always
light bone
I prefer original source material almost always
idk, DPro has kinda had this series on point
I've loved seeing some iconic parts animated
cedar furnace
part: 2,6,7,8,1,3,4,5
jojo: 2,4,8,1,6,7,3,5
due to change
oh here's a fun idea
rank the jobros
actually nah im tired
light bone
Doing Okayasu and Bruno such a disservice
cedar furnace
i like bruno's dub voice but otherwise i dont care about him
Gyro
Mamezuku
Everyone else
@frozen charm amazing
love this list
put caesar in third and muah
i will say this tho
caesar has (almost) no personality unless you really look
near cedar
DiU has the strongest stand in the universe: Superfly
GER, SP and TW, MiH, B.i.g., Tusk, WoU
near cedar
If you are a fucking moron yes
A guy asking you to come into his pylon
A guy dressed in weird clothes who lives there
With elf ears
cedar furnace
fair
cedar furnace
well
ok fair
i haave to agree but
he DID save joseph from falling back into the HCP
light bone
GER, SP and TW, MiH, B.i.g., Tusk, WoU
literally every stand you listed can do nothing to Superfly
frozen charm
ok fine main jobros edition
Gyro
Mamezuku
Okayasu
Speeeeedwagooonnnn
Bruno
Cesar
Everyone else
cedar furnace
he's the one who sacracifed himself for the ring and his bandana untimatley saved Joseph from the rift
frozen charm
Ok yea
cedar furnace
and he's attractive
frozen charm
Nah
cedar furnace
and like
frozen charm
INCORRECT
frozen charm
He looks yucky
cedar furnace
he helped joseph get better with hamon
frozen charm
Ok
cedar furnace
he's the one who taught him the secret to the HCP
frozen charm
He was there until he wasn't
cedar furnace
he's the one who got them to the pillar men
frozen charm
He did the swag
frozen charm
Then he got Johnny'd
cedar furnace
when johnny died like that i laughed
frozen charm
Johnny's death TECHNICALLY happened before cesars
cedar furnace
i was like "lol caesar"
athough i dont really have an opinon on baron, there's one more zeppeli
who has my whole heart
gyro was fucking amazing
frozen charm
Correct
cedar furnace
he had a personality, he helped, he partially made johnny a better person
frozen charm
Mhmm
cedar furnace
he ultimatley died FOR johnny after teaching him the 5th lesson
cedar furnace
and he made hella good coffee
cedar furnace
and he's attractive
near cedar
Because walking into that shit is stupidity
cedar furnace
i have a uqestion about superfly like
the pylon needed maitinence every one in a while right
why didnt toyohiro just grab one of the electrical workers
near cedar
He's an idiot
frozen charm
Why didn't he grab an old man
frozen charm
Uhh idk
near cedar
No people walk near that shit
frozen charm
If I was an old man I would tbh
cedar furnace
electrical workers
frozen charm
Superfly Requiem when????
junior coral
never
frozen charm
WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!
junior coral
the arrow wouldn't be able to penetrate it lol
frozen charm
Ok but what if
frozen charm
He stabs it REALLY hard
light bone
Superfly doesn't need a requiem
sudden nymph
It would trap everyone and anyone nobody would be safe
light bone
it's already too powerful
frozen charm
It's a bound stand
sudden nymph
Superfly > GER
frozen charm
He can stab himself
junior coral
No Superfly Requiem would turn everywhere EXCEPT the pylon into the Stand
light bone
ʰᵒⁿᵉˢᵗʸ ⁿᵒ ᵒⁿᵉ ⁿᵉᵉᵈˢ ʳᵉᵠᵘᶦᵉᵐˢ ᵇᵉᶜᵃᵘˢᵉ ᵗʰᵉʸ'ʳᵉ ᵏᶦⁿᵈᵃ ᵈᵘᵐᵇ...
junior coral
the pylon is the only safe place
near cedar
Requiem are op
light bone
Requiems are araki's answer to writing himself into a corner
frozen charm
Why didn't okayasu use za hando to erase it
sudden nymph
@light bone it was established before whoever gets the requiem first wins
junior coral
He woulda got erased
any attack on the pylon gets reverbed back to u
Superfly is SO weird
near cedar
"KC was too stronk so araki bullshited out a Requiem" that's basically the argument for what ゴゴゴゴrobdotaviゴゴゴゴ said
junior coral
lmao
light bone
Requiems are literally deus ex inventions made manifest
sudden nymph
@junior coral if you look really close on the punch barrage on superfly you can see okuyasu trying to scrape it away and it just gets reflected
junior coral
okay
Requiems were not some weird last minute thing araki made up to get out of a bind
They're literally part of the plot
near cedar
if you look really close on the punch barrage on superfly you can see okuyasu trying to scrape it away and it just gets reflected
Which is stupid
junior coral
how?
frozen charm
Doin
near cedar
Deus Ex Machina is when outta nowhere the plot is resolved just for no reason
junior coral
yea
light bone
being part of the plot doesn't mean the execution of what a requiem did was good
kind owlBOT
@light bone, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 4 !
frozen charm
Weckweem
light bone
No, Jotatoe
junior coral
Giorno is less dull than Jotrtao
sudden nymph
I believe the only two stands in jojo that could work around superfly’s deflect are sticky fingers and nut king call since they technically aren’t damaging it and the parts are still technically connected
sudden nymph
How would it deflect non damage
junior coral
I think by the logic of Araki writing the scene he would just make those attacks reverb as well
The point of that is up for interpretation but based on other things we've seen him do with Sticky Fingers especially I'm gonna go ahead and say their attacks would be reverbed as well
junior coral
exactly
light bone
The only stand that might be able to beat Superfly is Soft and Wet
sudden nymph
When is it ever said he has to punch
junior coral
oh facts
light bone
he'll just plunder something silly from Superfly
near cedar
Anyway a deus ex machina Requiem isn't, and a Deus Ex Machina isn't inherantly bad
sudden nymph
I don’t remember sticky having to punch
near cedar
When is it ever said he has to punch
He punches every time he makes one iirc
junior coral
Well
Gotta disagree on that
In the Beach Boy fight Bucci uses his fingers to zip and unzip his body parts
sudden nymph
^
near cedar
Requiem is an op ability given to somebody who stabs thier stand with the arrow, GER is literally the most powerful
junior coral
It also depends on the scenario
near cedar
Of said type of ability
light bone
It's bad writing because it's such a ridiculously powerful ability that nothing can compare to it. It's peak shonen power creep.
sudden nymph
Then how would nut king call not work if it doesn’t have to punch
light bone
the only way to deal with it, is to never bring it or any related powers up again
frozen charm
He nuts the calls the king
sudden nymph
In this situation they are given to random people
junior coral
Whatever, when I say Joshu is gonna punch it, I'm referring to his Stand
Doesn't matter
Either way he'd punch it
sudden nymph
But he doesn’t need too
light bone
Joshu should NKC someone else's arm onto his body
sudden nymph
That’s was my point in the first place
I never said they would do that I said they could
near cedar
NKC doesn't need to punch pretty sure
junior coral
I'm pretty sure I'm right but I have no way to back it up
The only Stands we've seen go against it are close range punchy ghosts
light bone
I mean he uses the abilities multiple times and they can just happen within the stands range
sudden nymph
Saying it doesn’t work just because the user wouldn’t do it is the worst argument I’ve ever heard
junior coral
okay man
light bone
though they apparently reverse when out of range (at least so far)
junior coral
I'm still gonna compare it to Bucci fighting Beach Boy
He tried putting the zipper on the fishing line but it went back on him
sudden nymph
But that was a punch
junior coral
So then why didn't he try not punching it?
sudden nymph
He didn’t know it reflected
junior coral
He knew once it happened
sudden nymph
At that point
junior coral
Yeah so why couldn't he be like oh I see, so I shouldn't punch it
It's cause the Stand is indifferent. It reflects abilities/ attacks
Same deal
near cedar
He never grabbed it agian till the end
iirc
and he jsut pulled it to snap Pesci's neck at the end
sudden nymph
He only punched it once and never again
If he used the zipper ability and it would have gone back to him with your logic
But it didn’t which means he didn’t in both arguments
Which means he never tried using the zipper ability
I just don’t think superfly would deflect something when it can’t really detect that anything is wrong because the parts would still be connected
bright ridge
Okay I have a stupid question about Wonder of U that's been on my mind for a while
Most people seem to agree that one of it's many abilities is teleporting
Which makes sense, since it's shown being in multiple places seemingly at once
but some of the recent chapter covers depict multiple Head Doctors floating in the air
which I know is a reference to that one artist
but what if Wonder of U can actually manifest in multiple places simultaneously?
It's already cracked as hell, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch
cedar furnace
well
no
because we know that it took the identity of satoru
because of that i think there can only be one
and
if he could make multiples, then why not attack yasuho and joshu with it
and mitsuba, jobin, tsurugi
bright ridge
Is he not already?
cedar furnace
thats just calamity
bright ridge
Wait
...now i'm confused
If the automatic ability is calamity, then what does the actual physical manifestation of Wonder of U actually do
Is it just... a guy
rocky stump
yeah
cedar furnace
it brings the calamity with it
bright ridge
Huh
cedar furnace
if calamity was just everywhere
then
yknow what im honestly just bullshitting this
bright ridge
I think we all are
faint rivet
light bone
honestly, I think it'll be awhile before it's clear how TWOU works
or what exactly is going on. The ability range and scope seem very dense and Araki has loved to use more ambiguous abilities in Jojolion
bright ridge
Man
kind owlBOT
@bright ridge, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 1 !
cedar furnace
WAIT WAIT
kind owlBOT
@cedar furnace, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 7 !
bright ridge
Thank you Mr. Heaven
cedar furnace
i have an idea
what if
ok because of this the range would technically be inf but
what if TWOU's range is just the space between the stand and the user
rocky stump
what
kind owlBOT
@rocky stump, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 10 !
rocky stump
thanks pucci
cedar furnace
since TWOU is at the hospital, and Tooru is at the higashikata estate, the range is the space the estate and the hospital are apart from each other
like
if they were two miles apart
the range would be two miles
bright ridge
Maybe?
bright ridge
I always thought of TWOU's "range" as being similar to GER, somehow
Wait no
Actually I shouldn't even try to bring GER into this
rocky stump
why doesn’t josuke just take Tooru’s ability to breath
plunder is like left side ataxia but better
bright ridge
Okay, what I really wanna know is how much conscious control Tooru has over WOU
cedar furnace
didnt tooru explain that killing him wouldnt stop calamity
bright ridge
Can he have accidental calamities? Like, I know every calamity is technically an "accident" but can he cause one without wanting or meaning to
If he ordered food to be delivered to his house, does the delivery driver "pursue" him and die in a car crash
cedar furnace
i may be just remembering wrong, but i think he said something about how killing him wouldnt work, they have to affect TWOU
its "the wonder of u"
in localization
bright ridge
It was Wonder of U when i read it
Does adding "the" really work for localization?
Oh, another thought
Tooru is virtually invulnerable from anyone intentionally trying to pursue him, but Wonder of U doesn't make him immune to honest accidents, does it?
Wouldn't it be stupid if one of the most terrifying stands in the series to date was defeated purely on accident?
Yep
Hospital Car 2: Electric Boogaloo
frozen charm
Wat er
bright ridge
Damn, we've had two major villains defeated as a direct result of a fortunate "oops"
Good point
kind owlBOT
@bright ridge, Your Gangstar Rank is now level 2 !
faint rivet
grizzled pilot
[6:03 AM] teach me how to dougie: @CXSaltwater didn’t you post something about her name earlier
i mean they never say anything about her real name 🤷♀️
"kei kira" is the most logical conclusion tho
thin nexus
HOLY FUCK SOFT AND WET IS SO COOL
Mans really just used his skill points to learn steal
astral widget
one there of wuu
light bone
WoUwu
HOLY FUCK SOFT AND WET IS SO COOL
S&W def one of my favorite stands from a design perspective as well as ability perspective.
faint rivet
he reminds me a bit of an anchor
which is fitting since kira was a sailor
even though it's not his stand
quartz pawn
yashuo called kei nijimura and now has the flow of calamity right?
and jobin is also confirmed dead
correct?
faint rivet
jobin is assumed dead, but not officially proven as such
inland oyster
Until I see the body imma say no
faint rivet
yeah i don't believe it
noble haven
Until I see the body imma say no
@inland oyster
You didn't see Kira's body in part 4 but he's dead as hell my G
inland oyster
Huss stay quiet
inland oyster
I won’t accept it
noble haven
From a writing POV it doesn't make sense for jobin to die at this point
araki finna pull a soundman wtf
inland oyster
That’s my point Huss
Narratively it would just suck ass, I don’t think he’s gonna do it
long hound
Joshu is the best character
frozen charm
Can't wait for josuke to steal his own vision and say "you can't persue what you can't see"
errant prairie
junior coral
lmaoooo
Can't wait for the end of JoJolion Josuke to say "wow this truly has been a 'Walk Like an Egyptian' journey"
minor ore
And then part 9 happens and its basicaly just eyes of heaven but better
near cedar
A character isn't confirmed dead until we see the body or the part ends
It wouldn't be the first time that people in an anime have said "he's dead" comes back later
faint rivet
near cedar
Exactly
noble haven
A character isn't confirmed dead until we see the body or the part ends
@near cedar
Nope part ends doesn't count
Dio lol
winter ridge
you need to see them fucking explode
and then desintegrate in the sun
THEN you know that they are probably mostly dead
near cedar
THEN you know that they are probably mostly dead
Comes back in like 5 flashbakcs
icy bluff
A character isn’t dead unless Araki says so in the narrator box.
inland oyster
Not anymore
inland oyster
Narrator box deaths haven’t been a thing since part 3
sudden nymph
I thought shigechi got one in part 4 @inland oyster
frozen charm
there was one in part 6
sudden nymph
Maybe it was just in the anime but I’ll look
frozen charm
i like large fries
minor ore
It just kinda takes you out of the emersion that deathbox
He has utilised other signs of death since
tacit crest
Aya got death bOx
minor ore
The black powder coming off of characters, the soul flying to the skies yeh
Yeah after part 4 there where no deathboxes
sudden nymph
I can’t find it but I also didn’t look that hard
I know there was one in the anime for sure
gilded ferry
WONDER OF U
frozen charm
Jojolion stray cat when????
frozen charm
Beetle fight 2 when??????
faint rivet
when josuke/jobin defeats Tooru/WoU, they will get together amongst their dead/dying family and friends and have a beetle fight
frozen charm
They have a beetle fight to determine who gets the new rokakaka
It's a 1v1v1v1
Joshu-right arm
Tooru- sell
Josuke- save holy
Jobin- save tsurugi
faint rivet
Jobin v Josuke v Tooru v Karera
frozen charm
No
faint rivet
karera wanted the fruit too
frozen charm
Why???
faint rivet
money
frozen charm
Yea
sudden nymph
I thought joshu + Yasuho was the mystery man
faint rivet
the tooru=mystery man theory is another alt theory
errant prairie
I thought joshu + Yasuho was the mystery man
sudden nymph
The only theory
minor ore
someone can tell me what Tooru meant that he is changing the order when yasuho was gonna call kyo?
I think that meant the calamity would shift towards Yasuho as the primary target, putting Josuke and Rai below her, so they would be targeted afterwards.
errant prairie
near cedar
Just 1 issue
frozen charm
What
near cedar
If Kei's stand still works the way it originally did, how is she gonna touch Tooru to activate it
gentle venture
bruh
frozen charm
There's gonna be a flashback chapter where tooru accidently bumped into kei at the hospital
faint rivet
araki's got a plan i guess
primal lintel
what theory
faint rivet
minor ore
I have the feeling yasuho is gonna die
faint rivet
she's basically the jobro of this part, so yeah it's definitely possible
frozen charm
If mamezuku doesn't die first!!!
hard meteor
Doesn’t she narrate the beginning of the part though
frozen charm
4 sacks
minor ore
yasuho never gonna have kids damn
frozen charm
What????