📚lore-discussion

[trim grotto]

Commanding the Taken is a dangerous path for us to take. It is rather akin to slavery.
As for the Hive? Only the Lucent Brood could join us.

[slim girder]

We are never going to make allies with the hive. Not all enemies need the redemption arc. Temporary alliances maybe like Luzaku but we'd never let them chill with us or anything

[lofty badge]

true

[sleek matrix]

Look at the artifact we're getting

A tablet of ruin

There little hints that taken power will be used in some way

[slim elk]

We technically are in a position to complete our regicide of the Hive pantheon

Tracking down Xivu is the hard part

For Savathun all we need to do is fulfill Immarus destiny as a stress ball

[slim girder]

Sloane will also be teaching us how to harness the power of the taken

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[slim girder]

"path of resolve" as it's called

[trim grotto]

Taken power is not the same as commanding the Taken. We have already used Taken power since Gambit.

[slim girder]

That's why drifter is coming along

[sleek matrix]

Yes let me cope

[slim girder]

Drifter and Sloane know a huge amount about the taken.

[sleek matrix]

I wanna have taken minions

[trim grotto]

Even Mara Sov denied the potential claim she could have made over the Taken.

I doubt we will have one.

[sleek matrix]

Too scared

[trim grotto]

As she should be.

[sleek matrix]

Like what's the big deal if we don't then who

Toland? The shattered

We must take oryx mantle and become the navigator

[trim grotto]

We literally already denied it.

[sleek matrix]

Can still happen

[trim grotto]

Back in D1, in fact.

[slim elk]

Besides
Mara grabbed Oryx power

Ergo her wrecking pyramids

[jagged badge]

Reckon that’s his title because he was tired a lot

[little gorge]

is the shattered throne similarly tired

[trim grotto]

Dul Incaru probably is
She's been getting murdered every 3 weeks for 6 years

[little gorge]

fair enough

[slim girder]

So uhh

Oryxs voice.

Quite different from the last time we heard him speak. But fr though I guess he is more back than I thought. Not just as a ghost or something.

[lime tiger]

is xivu the sole reason taken are still sigmaing around?
unless the new season changes it with oryx

[slim girder]

Also looks like we'll have more cutscenes involving other characters and us which is nice. I always love the cinematic stuff in the g.

[slim girder]

They're aimless. They just gravitate to any kind of power because they need someone to guide them

[lime tiger]

ok

[ember storm]

Iirc the original va remained anonymous and I wouldn’t be surprised for no return

[slim girder]

Yeah that wouldn't be a surprise. Been a decade since oryx had a voice so I imagine the VA is off doing other things

[warm acorn]

Why is oryx back

(Also what video has his voice)

[slim girder]

The echo

It's done something to the dreadnaught

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and given the Echos got both dark and light...

but yeah

but was Oryx so tied to the witness that a memory of him lives in the echo?

or just the darkness i guess

[warm acorn]

Yeah probably just the darkness

I’m pretty oryx talks with the winnower in lore

[slim girder]

Oryx is not in the echo. It's just the echo interacting with the dreadnaught which is oryxs throne world. So his spirit is still connected to that place

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got cha

[warm acorn]

Oh I didn’t know that cool

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makes sense the soul of a ascended hive who was also slain in their own throneworld is bound to it

[warm acorn]

So why didn’t the vanguard ever think of blowing up the dreadnaught lol

[slim girder]

It would nuke half the solar system

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oh yeah

[warm acorn]

Wait what?

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its reactor was so powerful it could be used as a solar system wide nuke

[warm acorn]

Oh…

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it is a paracusel ship of darkness and hive magic so yeah..

[slim girder]

Back in D1 we stopped 2 cabal brothers from trying to blow it up for revenge because their commander had been taken

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yee

[warm acorn]

That was such a fun strike

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i wonder if we will find the wreak of the ship they used

[warm acorn]

Didn’t ever know what they were trying to do lmao

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kek

[slim girder]

You mean that one they crashed into it? I think it's possible

[warm acorn]

Bring back the class specific nightfall armor

[slim girder]

The full story is oryx took their commander so the 2 brothers tried to hold the ships core hostage in exchange for oryx to return their leader. But what they didn't know is that they had already been taken and then killed by us during the campaign for the DLC.

So we had to stop them because if they caught wind of what happened they would probably attempt to detonate the ship

[warm acorn]

Wait the brothers were taken?

I don’t remember them being taken

[slim girder]

No their leader was.

[warm acorn]

Oh I see I see

They is their leader

Gotcha

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does that mean their taken commander was perma killed by us while a taken?

[slim girder]

Yes

If you remember it was during the final mission we killed a big taken Colossus when we had to prove we were worthy to face oryx.

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got cha

[ember storm]

Well apparently taken never truly “die”, they just get sent back to the ascendant plane

I can very much see bungie reusing the ogre and the cabal commander (as a centurion because I doubt they’d still have the taken colossus model)

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it seems there is also some older lore however that says otherwise

so it is a bit wierd

but perhaps a retcon

[ember storm]

If it’s older then it’s probably retcon

Remember the subminds used to be other warminds

[mild junco]

Isn't eris str9nger than svathun atp? How is she struggling in this trailer?

[blazing wasp]

she was stronger for a brief period

due to sword logic shenanigans

where she tricked and killed savathun

but then, instead of following the sword logic and going after xivu, she instead forced her out of her throne world, making xivu very mortal

which forced xivu to flee, weakening her a bit, and also because eris did this instead of going after xivu she also renounced her powers

[mild junco]

Why wouldn't eris just keep them

[blazing wasp]

she cant, she has to follow the sword logic to keep her powers from the sword logic

[mild junco]

I feel like having a friendly hive God would be immensely useful

[blazing wasp]

the sword logic is pretty fucking bad in the hands of an ally if your intent is not to just murder absolutely everything around you at all times

the entire plan was always this

[mild junco]

I mean

Is that not what we've been trying to do since SOTW

Is murder things that pose an issue

[obsidian pollen]

My favorite part of lore is when traveller said its travelin time and traveled all over the universe

[mild junco]

I mean yeah that's sorta what it does

[jagged badge]

Following the Sword Logic is immoral and posed a great risk to both Eris and Ahsa, who facilitated Eris’ powers in a similar way a worm parasite does to normal Hive

Besides, after everything the Hive did to Eris, becoming the strongest among them and then rejecting their power completely to mortalise their god is like the biggest power move of all time

[mild junco]

So then I have another question, why did she soley use that power not to kill, but banish xivu arath?

Why not just like

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[jagged badge]

If she had power enough to straight up perma-kill Xivu, doing so would have been following the Sword Logic

But also I still doubt that she could have done that

Also if she did kill Xivu, Xivu would have her Throne World to be able to return from

[obsidian pollen]

And when the witness said its witnessing time and witness everywhere

[ember storm]

Killing Xivu would’ve also permanently corrupted Ahsa into a worm god and tied Eris to her as a tribute bearer

[spiral sorrel]

I think if anything, killing xivu is tough because she is literally the god of war, it's possible by killing her you could embody her and revive her

Possibly

[slim elk]

There's a built in weakness we can exploit, might be taking effect already thanks to Eris

Xivu doesn't feed her worm, the worm eats her

[spiral sorrel]

True true

[slim elk]

Cut off from her Throne World could have an effect on tribute flow

[ember storm]

They’re not directly related

[slim elk]

And I imagine the worm isn't too happy about Xivu running away and hiding in a corner for months

[ember storm]

Tribute lines existed long before they discovered throne worlds

Now, losing her throne world MAY have shaken up the loyalty of his followers

But also that wouldn’t apply to her wrathborn so she probably has just been stockpiling them since she doesn’t have taken anymore

[slim elk]

My guess is Xivu will eventually be forced out of hiding by her worm

Either she fights us, or she gets devoured

Her big act of cowardice may be backfiring hard

[lofty badge]

Yee

[dim minnow]

I used to think that we could have beaten Xivu Arath by doing something that wuld both decimate her army and be a major act of war

and what would have happened was that while Xivu would have gained a lot of power, she would have no means of maintaining herself afterward since her worm's appetite would continue to grow

and with a weakened army, she can't keep up resulting in her own worm deviuring her from within

[sleek matrix]

How do you defeat something that feeds off conflict you dont play the game

[dim minnow]

yeah, that was certainly a pro move from Rasputin

my idea more so came from the downsides the bargain the Hive gods made with the Worm gods had

it was why Savathun went through such lengths to have us remove her worm

[sleek matrix]

Yea there downsides to those worms just to be powerful

Savathun totally avoids the worms now and uses the light

I would say savathun is much more deadly than xivu

Her lucent brood too

[dim minnow]

in terms of outright power Xivu likely still reigns supreme

[sleek matrix]

Yes but sometimes power alone doesn't win wars

And with xivu being mortal one mistake and she is no longer

[digital ginkgo]

Yea look @ savathun

[dim minnow]

this will force her to be crafty with her approach

[sleek matrix]

I wouldn't underestimate savathun at all

[dim minnow]

definitely not

[sleek matrix]

She is more than likely thinking way ahead of us

[dim minnow]

just pointing out that there's a reason why Savathun wanted us to deal with Xivu for her

[sleek matrix]

And she doesn't even need to directly be there

She has her minions to carry out her schemes

[sleek matrix]

Yes which was smart for savathun to do

It was to mutual benefit

[dim minnow]

but mostly to her

[sleek matrix]

One thing that doesn't concern is we didn't really see em at all in the trailer

And with the strikes affecting voice acting

[dim minnow]

I'd think that later acts will involve them more

[sleek matrix]

I'm hoping there not reduced in terms of them being involved

[sleek matrix]

Yea this is what I'm hoping

[dim minnow]

and Bungie did say that while some voice lines won't have voices for them, they will still be there, just with no audio

[sleek matrix]

• they wanna keep the story close and not spoil

[sleek matrix]

Which is unfortunate

But can't be helped

[dim minnow]

also recall that the first trailer for each Episode usually only has stuff in the first act

[sleek matrix]

Yes

[dim minnow]

so everything we saw in the Heresy launch trailer is probably going to all act 1 stuff

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Byf did get Flack over blaming Bungie for it in his latest vid

But i am Hyped for Heresy

[dim minnow]

hmmm, that also means Barrow Dyad is going to be obtainable in act 1 given how it was featured in the trailer and reveal stream

[sleek matrix]

[dim minnow]

I mean, would you rather they use AI voices?

[sleek matrix]

Bungie doesn't control wether they went on strikes

[sleek matrix]

Nah

[dim minnow]

this was probably the best way they could handle it

[sleek matrix]

Subtitles is fine

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No

Yeah

[sleek matrix]

Ai voice would be weird

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Yeah

[dim minnow]

it sucks, but still better than the alternatives

[sleek matrix]

I'm wondering what did he exactly blame?

How could of bungie did better

I always give bungie shit when theres fuck ups or bad seasons but this is out of there control

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He said it was embrassing for Bungie/Sony to release a unfinished product

[sleek matrix]

Defo an over reaction

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His comments are full of people disagreeing with him

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Yeah i Dont think he did his research into the strike

Bungie have not even said "Lol let's replace our voice actors with ai"

[sleek matrix]

Yea he must live under a rock

If affected the whole industry

Tv shows movies and more

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Not to mention Bungie have worked with some of their voice actors since destiny 1

[dim minnow]

even Bungie knows full well using ai is the LAST thing they would want to do in this scenario

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Yeah

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Mhmm

[sleek matrix]

That's the whole reason the strike happened

Cuz of ai

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I do hope Byf will do some research and go "i was wrong i am sorry"

[sleek matrix]

I'm listening to what he's saying

And he sounds so disingenuous

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Oh?

[sleek matrix]

The strikes were gonna happen way in advance

[sleek matrix]

He said they should pay em more or some shit

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Oh yeah

[dim minnow]

Bungie couldn't even really just simply use different VAs either

[sleek matrix]

Its not even about just being paid more

[dim minnow]

would also look pretty bad

[sleek matrix]

Its about ai

[dim minnow]

the only options that Bungie had here were to either keep the lines in without the voice acting, or remove the lines entirely

[sleek matrix]

Protecting there likeness being used for ai is important

Ai has already stolen alot

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Ye

[sleek matrix]

They came up with the only suitable solution

Without doing other stuff that would make bungie look worse off

[dim minnow]

still true tho

I suppose one could argue that removing the lines entirely can potentially look bad

[sleek matrix]

I remember reading the twid last week and I didn't really see it being a big deal

[sleek matrix]

They can still tell the story well visually

Bungie usually does that well

And theres the usual lore stuff

[lofty badge]

Yep

But damn Byf...

[sleek matrix]

Most ppl won't have the same reaction to it tbh

I actually didn't see it being mention much at all

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Fair

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Oof

[mild junco]

Hey uh did we ever figure out what the fuck was up with the giant fucking portal in vespers host

[dim minnow]

that's a story for later

we know that the Corrupted Puppeteer had the assimilated Fallen build it likely using some Vex tech that was stored on the station

I have my own theory on what it could be related to

[mild junco]

The puppeteer?

[dim minnow]

yeah

the final boss

a surviving Atraks-1 body that was taken over by the Corruption

[mild junco]

Ah, ran it once, got the exotic I will never use first try, then just didn't do it again

[mild junco]

So wait that wasn't atraks?

The fuck was it?

[dim minnow]

a surviving Atraks-1 body that was taken over by the Corruption

[mild junco]

Is the corruption like

An entity

Or is it just sorta there

[dim minnow]

yeah, but not one we know much about

[mild junco]

Is it sentient

[dim minnow]

we know it can assimilate other minds

[mild junco]

Like does it do things of its own will or does it just sorta do stuff

[dim minnow]

well it was able to command the Fallen it assimilated to build the Anomaly

[mild junco]

Well that doesn't really mean it's sentient

For all we know it was like

Instinctual

[dim minnow]

eh I mean, not like we know much about it anyway

[mild junco]

Just started building a contraption

Better question

Does the portal work

[dim minnow]

it was rather methodical in how it took control over the Fallen

stalking them and gradually assimilating each of them

[dim minnow]

the Puppetter sent a signal through it and one came back

[mild junco]

Did we get rid of it or is it like in a screeb somewhere

[dim minnow]

the Puppeteer is the center of the corruption

[mild junco]

Do we know what the portal is supposed to do?

[dim minnow]

also the corruption is not in a screeb

we werre dealing with Fallen, not Scorn

[dim minnow]

the Puppeteer was trying to send a signal through it which it did

so it seems like it was trying to communicate with something

or someone

[mild junco]

Taniks the corrupted

[dim minnow]

now Astraea (Vesper Central) is in full control over the station and is keeping an eye on the Anomaly

[mild junco]

Why haven't we tried like

Sending the drifter through it

[dim minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-wegeekinghard-blud-tiktok-animatronic-tweaking-gif-18331326635054461479

[mild junco]

Actually better question

Why hasn't the drifter tried going through it

[dim minnow]

ever heard of a guy named Joxer?

[mild junco]

No

[dim minnow]

he was a Crucible regular who used to work for Drifter

then one day, Drifter approached him with a special job

[mild junco]

He died horribly didn't he

[dim minnow]

to test out some fancy armor in a new Gambit mode he was cooking up

[mild junco]

Oh

That's all I needed to kn9w

[dim minnow]

Joxer ended up being the only member of his team who survived

[mild junco]

Oh

Good ending

[dim minnow]

after that, he turned his life around

started associating himself more with the Vanguard

then, he would volunteer to try and fly a ship thriugh the big triangualr portal on the Traveler

this was before we found a way through it

[mild junco]

I'm sure that went well for him

[dim minnow]

so when Joxer tried to fly through well...

[mild junco]

Ok but why don't we sent like

Idk

A servitor

Ir a janitor bot

[dim minnow]

so anyways, that was how we found out that we needed to find another way through the Traveler portal

[mild junco]

He can walk it off

[dim minnow]

Drifter actually did somewhat respect Joxer

so this event did weigh heavily on him

[mild junco]

Why didn't joker just tell his ghost to stay away while he jumped din, died, then cane back

Or was this guy not a gaurdian

[dim minnow]

anyways, that's probably why Drifter doesn't want to tempt fate by going through random portals

[dim minnow]

he was a Guardian

[mild junco]

You mean to tell me the drifter doesn't want to risk his life going through a random portal

[dim minnow]

and I don't think they were expecting whatever that was

[mild junco]

That drifter

Are we talking abt thw same drifter

[dim minnow]

he's a survivor

yes

[mild junco]

I refuse to believe anything goes through his mind other than "it'd be funny"

[dim minnow]

there is a lot more to Drifter than you think

you should read "A Man With No Name"

really good Drifter-centered lore book

he's been through some dark times

if you look deeper into his character, you can see how broken he is

[mild junco]

Oh I'm very aware of his lorr

But

Like

[dim minnow]

it seems like Heresy could be delving more into this aspect of his character

[mild junco]

I hope we get more moonrat chemistry

[dim minnow]

this is more of a fanon view of his character really

[dim minnow]

oh we are

[mild junco]

To be fair I'd day like 30% of his character is still that despite everything

[dim minnow]

the Bento Boxes already gave us some of this

[dim minnow]

not really

that's all for show

[mild junco]

Though "It'd be funny" more so applies to Cayde

And to an extent Shaxx maybe

[dim minnow]

not Shaxx

at least not in that way

[mild junco]

Didn't he kill savathum like 60 times

Or was that saint

[dim minnow]

Saint

and Saint did it because of what Savathun did to Osiris

[mild junco]

Which is fair

[dim minnow]

if even Savathun hesitates at the thought of fighting us just because we beat her once, imagine what she thinks about Saint

[mild junco]

In her defense there wasn't really much she could do against saint 14 considering she was most definitely just being spawn killed

That and she was like confined in the murder cube where saint just fucken went at it

[dim minnow]

the fact that Saint was able to put her in that position in the first place though

[mild junco]

I mean also tbf wasn't savathun dead for like a few canon years straight, and her power was drained bc of Eris

[jagged badge]

She didn’t have access to the power through the Sword Logic after her death and rebirth in the Light

[mild junco]

Yeah so she was weak asf

[jagged badge]

But it was just sorta latently sitting within her until someone who could use it took it out

[jagged badge]

I mean when Savathûn died after Season of the Lost after we exorcised her worm

[mild junco]

I definitely agree that saint 14 fucken worked for that but we can't act like he was so busted he went 60-0 against peak savathun or smth

[jagged badge]

She can’t use or benefit from the Sword Logic without her worm parasite

[mild junco]

At that point it was just beating a dead horse both literally and figuratively

[dim minnow]

true, but I'd imagine getting beat to the ground while defenseless for over an hour straight would leave a much stronger impression than being beaten once by someone after a hard-fought battle

[mild junco]

Atp I think it'd be more so trauma than like actual fear though

I Mena fuck savathun might actually relish in it cause she can be like "lmao you had to hit me at my lowest to kill me you fucken suck"

@dim minnow why did riven have a change of heart

Seems rather arbitrary for an ahamkara, especially her specifically

[jagged badge]

We helped return her clutch to safety

[dim minnow]

because her mate just so happened to be the only good Ahamkara

[jagged badge]

And she was probably reminded a lot of how her mate Taranis was

[dim minnow]

and of course, we made an accord with her

[mild junco]

Why didn't we just like

Kill them immediately

[jagged badge]

Why would we?

[mild junco]

They're ahamkara

They aren't exactly the kindest of entities

[lofty badge]

We could have raised them 😔

[jagged badge]

Consider nature vs nurture

Their father Taranis is an indication of how the Ahamkara could be

[dim minnow]

1. Mara seems to want to keep them around
2. We put in all that effort to help them in a fair exchange which Riven glady did her part of
3. We're hoping that the whims take after their father, Taranis

[mild junco]

But what if they like

Dont

[jagged badge]

Then Guardians are experienced Ahamkara killers

[dim minnow]

then it's gonna be the Great Hunt part 2

[jagged badge]

But we aren’t just going to genocide this species based on what they could be like

[mild junco]

I find it hilarious that the scorn in warlords ruin could've easily done anything they wanted but they were too fucking stupid to do so

[jagged badge]

The whole point of Wish was mending the relationship between humanity and Ahamkara

[lofty badge]

Yee

[mild junco]

I mean

Didn't we do that with the fallen for a while

And the cabal

[jagged badge]

We weren’t massacring the children of our enemies because they could grow up to be bad

[lofty badge]

They were actively attacking us first, and not close to being wiped out

[mild junco]

By the mere act of killing servitors we were doing exactly that

[dim minnow]

the only thing we did to the Fallen that was questionable was Saint's Crusade

[mild junco]

He had his reasons

[dim minnow]

considering what they have been doing to us

[dim minnow]

keep in mind that during his crusade he attacked independent Fallen settlements

[mild junco]

I didn't say they were good reasons

But he had em

[dim minnow]

basically going after Fallen who were not associating with the ones who attacked us

[mild junco]

Did we like

Colonize the fallen

So to speak

[dim minnow]

colonize?

[lofty badge]

They came to our system to begin with..

[mild junco]

Like how England thought they were making Africans not barbarians but instead of racism that's like what actually happened

Iirc the fallen didn't exactly have the Mos peaceful of lives

[dim minnow]

no, we did not

[jagged badge]

House Light came to us in good faith as refugees in exchange for Mithrax and his Splicers helping us to deal with the Endless Night

They were mostly already peaceful civilians

[lofty badge]

Yeah

The fallen we most often right are outlaws or warriors of a house

[mild junco]

That reminds me actually

Why didn't we just like

Remove eramis from existence

In BL

I get she was technically a deciple but she was a fallen

[lofty badge]

Plot

[mild junco]

In fact why didn't we just do that to like every fallen enemy we had

[lofty badge]

We needed her for future stories

[dim minnow]

Fallen are good at surviving

[lofty badge]

Oh yeah

[mild junco]

Is there a reason why we haven't skinned the spider alive

[jagged badge]

She wasn’t

[dim minnow]

Zavala thinks he could turn to a helpful ally eventually

[jagged badge]

Eramis didn’t work for the Witness until Plunder

[lofty badge]

Cause he is our ally??? He helped us get revenge for Cayde

[mild junco]

Ok yeah but like

[dim minnow]

though the Witness had been manipulating her before that

[mild junco]

That guy?

[jagged badge]

Spider’s a bastard but he’s useful and helpful

[lofty badge]

He still a ally

[dim minnow]

that was more of a transactional thing, besides, Uldren and the Scorn were his enemy as well

[jagged badge]

Killing him in cold blood would do no good for human-Eliksni relations

[lofty badge]

Yeah like Quark from deep space 9

[lofty badge]

True

[mild junco]

What the fuck was up with auldren and Crow anyways? I know crow is just uldren without his memories but like how did crow not just go back to being uldren after his encounter with savathun?

[dim minnow]

a few years can change a man

[lofty badge]

Cause he still had the personality of Crow

[dim minnow]

Uldren hated Guardians, but Crow had the perspective of being one along with not being burdened by Uldren's many faults

[mild junco]

That actually reminds me

Have there been any gaurdians that just

Decided to be evil

[lofty badge]

Like if you wake up one day not remembering anything and you start a new life and then suddenly you regain them and then see you were kinda a asshole and current you may not vibe with that

[lofty badge]

Yes

But we never encounter them ingame

[dim minnow]

Dredgen Yor, Jana-14, Sola, Callum (though this was for a good reason admittedly)

[mild junco]

That's it?

Also isnt the drifter like

Fucking ancient

[jagged badge]

Imagine looking back on memories from an almost outside perspective with years of growth that has turned you into the very different person you are from those memories

This is that nurture factor again

[dim minnow]

Drifter ain't really evil

oh, we also have Warlords

[mild junco]

No like isn't he like

Old

As fuck

[dim minnow]

Citan

he's pretty evil

there's the guy that made Red Death

[dim minnow]

many Guardians are

[mild junco]

I mean is that guy necessarily evil

[dim minnow]

...

yeah

like yeah

[mild junco]

Idk anything abt him I just know his gun is seen as evil

[dim minnow]

there's a reason the Vanguard banned it

[mild junco]

What was it

[dim minnow]

he hunted other Guardians with it

the weapon is a Guardian killer

the tallies you see on the weapon

I'm sure you can guess what those were for

[mild junco]

So wait

The vanguard saw this guy

With this gun

And was like

"Yeah the guns the bad thing"

[dim minnow]

my theory is that he made Red Death and Crimson to replace his Ghost

[dim minnow]

well they knew full well the guy was a lunatic too

[mild junco]

Well yeah but like

What did the gun do wrong

[dim minnow]

read the Red Death Reformed lore tab

[mild junco]

Is it made of like

Evil

[dim minnow]

the fact that it can kill Guardians alone is enough for it to be considered a threat

[mild junco]

Every single firearm could kill a gaurdian

[dim minnow]

no, but like KILL them

KILL KILL

[mild junco]

Same applies

Just shoot the ghost

[dim minnow]

I don't think you need to kill the Ghost for it

[mild junco]

Oh

See that

[dim minnow]

Thorn could drain a Guardian of their Light, killing them for good without killing their Ghost

I'd imagine Red Death had a similar capability

given my theory that the guy created them to replace the functions of his Ghost

perhaps they are meant to take Light from other Guardians

[mild junco]

Aren't all of the ITL guns illegal

[dim minnow]

yeah, but not because they are Guardian killers

[mild junco]

Doesn't zavala literally sell one of them

[dim minnow]

some were just too meta in Crucible

Edge Transit was just too much of a common drop when it first came out in Forsaken

others like Hung Jury I'm not sure

[mild junco]

Didn't stasis make itself nicer canonically

[dim minnow]

that's what ti seems like

[mild junco]

Would this not imply that stasis is sentient

[dim minnow]

ehhh

I think it would be more accurate to say that Stasis is heavily influenced by its wielder

perhaps Stasis balancing itself in canon was due to Guardians as a whole gaining more control over Stasis

[jagged badge]

That’s not what Cowlick’s theory was

[dim minnow]

huh

I see

I kind of like to compare Stasis to a certain aspect of the Force from Star Wars

in that it can corrupt you if you let it corrupt you

[jagged badge]

Let's say they're right and Stasis has in some way changed itself. Why would Stasis weaken its effect against other Guardians? I'll tell you exactly why. Same reason a virus evolves a strain that won't kill its host. People were turning against Stasis, didn't like what it was doing to their Crucible. So Stasis made itself nicer. So we'd keep on using it. If Stasis was better than what the Traveler gave us we wouldn't be able to accept it as just another colorful species of whoopass. We might get scared of it.

[mild junco]

This is probably because of darkness manipulation bullshit but I will choose to believe stasis just wants to be friends with the light

[dim minnow]

it should be noted that in-universe, this is just a theory

[jagged badge]

A Paracausal Theory!

Aaaaaaaand cut

[mild junco]

By the way

What are the nine

Are they real

[dim minnow]

Elsie Bray has said before she has too constantly make sure Stasis doesn't corrupt her

[mild junco]

Well tbf she's an exo doesn't darkness have weird bullshit with Exos specifically

[dim minnow]

and the Beyond Light campaign seemed to imply that Stasis had a direct impact on Eramis' judgement

[dim minnow]

not really in that regard

[dim minnow]

read Dust

the lore book

the last two pages have the most important info

[mild junco]

What stops a gaudiran from just making all the super into one

Like what stops me from just removing a dude from existence cause I feel like it

[jagged badge]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-nine#the-nine

[mild junco]

Oh this guy went insane didn't he

[jagged badge]

Who is “this guy”?

[mild junco]

The dude who wrote this in canon

[dim minnow]

Lavinia

she was a cryptarch

[mild junco]

Was?

[dim minnow]

we don't really know what happened to her

[mild junco]

Oh that's real nice

[dim minnow]

depends what Savathun did to her

[mild junco]

What's up with our what is he

Like physically as an entity not

Like

His job

[dim minnow]

who?

[jagged badge]

Xûr I assume

[mild junco]

Do we know anything about him besides "Here have some free shit"

[mild junco]

Yeah autocorrect my hated

[dim minnow]

Xur is an agent of the Nine

[jagged badge]

Fair haha

[mild junco]

Yeha but is there anything else

Like is he part of a species

[dim minnow]

he is said to be a Jovian

once human, like the Awoken, but were transformed

the Nine use Xur to reach out to Guardians

[mild junco]

Did they like

Steal his mind or some shit

[dim minnow]

we aren't really sure

it seems like he is forced to their will

[mild junco]

What's up with the horse

Where does it fall into this vaguely parasitic relationship between the nine and xur

[dim minnow]

Starhorse is a separate entity

the Dark Horse is not the Starhorse and is instead a reference to the Dark Horse Nebula

[mild junco]

I'm sorry there's two horses

I was talking about star horse the fuck is the dark horse

[dim minnow]

it only appears in the room with the giant Emissary

[mild junco]

What does it

Like

Do

It it just there

[jagged badge]

[dim minnow]

Starhorse just runs the Dares of Eternity

[mild junco]

Thatsvit

That's it*

[dim minnow]

yeah, he isn't relly relevant to the main story

[mild junco]

Do we like know anything about it

Or is it just there

[dim minnow]

he's just there

[mild junco]

The fact that our is there implies the nine greatly value game shows and entertainment

This means that they can probably be bargained with

[dim minnow]

the Nine are reliant on us

if all life on Sol dies, they die too

they are trying to make it so they don't need to rely on us

four of them are trying to make their own worlds to rely on safely

the rest are trying to understand Light and Dark so they can use them to end their reliance on us

these ones are the ones who send Xur and the Emissary to us

[mild junco]

Ok see now I gotta ask

[dim minnow]

basically they mainly want to watch Guardians do stuff

[mild junco]

Oh my god it's a fucking antfarm

[dim minnow]

the House of Wolves dlc in D1 happened literally just because both Mara and the Nine wanted an excuse to watch Guardians do shit

[mild junco]

Wait if mara can interact with them why doesn't she just like

Ask them to solve our problems

[dim minnow]

the Nine are not very efficient

[mild junco]

Idc if they can't remove the witness I feel like having 9 paraversal entities to help kill it would be good

[mild junco]

What the fuck do you mean they aren't efficient

Aren't they like

Gods

[dim minnow]

they have difficulty deciding on what to tell us and what to do

[mild junco]

Of reality

[dim minnow]

they also don't really understand us too well

[mild junco]

I feel like it ain't hard to comprehend we don't want to fucking die

[dim minnow]

the whole Skolas incident in D1 was an aexample of their games going too far

one of them also helped the Red Legion reach the Last City without we the Guardians detecting them

just so it can find out how to claim the Light

that was a huge disaster and almost ened in Sol's destruction

basically, be thankful the Nine don't get involved more

[mild junco]

Why have we not killed these creatures at this point

[dim minnow]

they're sentient clouds of space dust tied to the gravitational wells of each planet in Sol

how tf do we even kill them

[mild junco]

Bomb their planet lol

[dim minnow]

WE LIVE ON THEM TOO

[mild junco]

[mild junco]

Name 1 single piece of value we can obtain from the moon realistically

There'd hive

EVERYWHERE

[dim minnow]

no reason to kick a hornets nest when it is not needed

[mild junco]

No reason to kick it when you can just remove it from existence

[dim minnow]

also, we physically don't even have the means to cause that level of destruction

[mild junco]

I mean clearly clovis bray did didn't he propose that

[dim minnow]

he's full of himself

[mild junco]

Fair

[mild junco]

I feel like the giant fucking laser that we shot out of ghost that shattered the reality ending wall is probably capablr

[dim minnow]

like he says "blow up the Moon and replace it with something" ok, do you have a weapon that can do that as well as resources to build a repalcement for it?

[mild junco]

I mean he's clovis I'm sure he probably did

He invented time travel didn't he

I mean shit the vex gollowed out an entire fucking planet

[jagged badge]

That’s not something we can do again

[mild junco]

I feel like hundreds of thousands of nova bombs would to the trick

I'm just sayin it can't be that hard given what we've already seen entities do

Why not jsut Chuck the moon into the giant fucking portal

Not only would we figure out what the portal does but also solve the moon problem

[warm acorn]

What portal?

[jagged badge]

“Chuck the moon”?

[mild junco]

Vespers bost

Host

[jagged badge]

Also that doesn’t solve the problem at all

[warm acorn]

I mean doesn’t earth still need the moon for gravitational things

[mild junco]

The witness stole an entire planet didn't it it can't be that hard

[jagged badge]

We need the moon

[warm acorn]

lol

[jagged badge]

The Witness

[mild junco]

Just build a new moon

[jagged badge]

None of us are anywhere near the power the Witness held

[warm acorn]

Why are we getting rid of our moon

[mild junco]

Fucken Darth Vader did it just make a giant fucking stasis crystal

[jagged badge]

You severely overestimate Guardians

[warm acorn]

We should just become hive gods

Like Eris

[jagged badge]

This is just silly now lmao

[mild junco]

See you say that bit eris literally did that

[dim minnow]

Palpatine's court jester ain't in the Destiny universe

[warm acorn]

Yes exactly

Ez just become hive gods and control the hive on the moon

[mild junco]

Wait if eris killed like whoever controls them would that have worked

Hypothetically would that have actually worked

[warm acorn]

Idk

Why don’t we kill them

[mild junco]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN!

[warm acorn]

Lmao

We killed oryx, how hard could it be

[mild junco]

Yeah!

[warm acorn]

and crota

And xol

[mild junco]

We killed the witness it can't be that hard

[warm acorn]

This is free

[dim minnow]

Eris cast aside the power she gained from being a Hive God for a reason

[warm acorn]

I’m excited for new dungeon lore though

[jagged badge]

That is not how this works at all

[mild junco]

Nah but seriously like if the vex can hollow put nessus why can't we just like nova bomb spam it

The cabal did good damage to nessus and they really weren't there that long

[warm acorn]

Destroying the moon would mess up earth tho

[mild junco]

Wait

Ok hang on this is gonna sound really fucking stupid

What if

We use time travel right

Stay with me here

[dim minnow]

Nessus is not that big

[mild junco]

We blow up the fucking moon

[jagged badge]

We can’t time travel

[mild junco]

Them how tf did Elsie get here

[warm acorn]

How long does it take to get 14 season pass levels?

[jagged badge]

Elsie is in an unexplained time loop beyond her control

[dim minnow]

Circumstances that don't apply to us

[mild junco]

The entire duration of shadowkeep

[warm acorn]

What

[jagged badge]

We don’t have the ability to do so, or the ability to replace it

Can we stop with these silly hypotheticals now

[mild junco]

All I'm saying is if we blow up the moon hive go bye bye

[dim minnow]

And we're saying it isn't feasible

[mild junco]

It ain't gotta be feasible I never said it would be efficient

But it would solve the hive problem

[jagged badge]

It’s not possible at all

[dim minnow]

Hive are on places other than the Moon too you know

[warm acorn]

But there’s hive on other planets?

Lmao

[mild junco]

Then we blow up those planets silly

[jagged badge]

Something we can’t do is not a solution to a problem

Alright let’s move on now

[dim minnow]

This neophyte is messing with us he has to be

[mild junco]

I feel like I've made that rather clear yeah

[warm acorn]

Neophyte?

[mild junco]

Yeah hey wait a minute what did he call me

[warm acorn]

I’ve never heard that in my life lmao

[mild junco]

Mf called me a shitty cultist I'm crying

[warm acorn]

Probably the first definition

[jagged badge]

Then I suggest you read #✅welcome-and-rules

[mild junco]

Oh mb

@dim minnow what stops us from sending like 50 gaurdians at some guy rather than like 3

[jagged badge]

The Great Disaster

[mild junco]

The what

[jagged badge]

Thousands of Guardians assaulted the Hive on the moon

Most perished

[mild junco]

Then those guys were shit gaurdians

[jagged badge]

Since then, operations are generally limited to small, precise strike teams

To minimise mass losses

[dim minnow]

Guardians are a finite army

[mild junco]

Ig that makes sense but what about against like

The witness

Would it not make sense to be like "Well if we lose we all fucking die so"

[dim minnow]

We didn't even have a way to kill it until the end of TFS

And by that point, we sent everyone to kill it

[jagged badge]

Excision showed that many Guardians showed up to ensure the Witness was defeated

[mild junco]

Yeah but why not do that for the raid, isn't the raid what even enabled us to be even remotely capable of victory

[jagged badge]

6 Guardians were enough for the raid

As shown by…the raid being done

[mild junco]

I mean yeah ig

Just seems inneficient is all

[dim minnow]

Not really

[mild junco]

In every other rfivjt it makes sense but for the witness like

Everyone was gonna die anyways if we fucked up

Why not just full sent

[trim grotto]

We did. Everyone else was fighting the army of Dread, House Salvation, Hive, Taken, and Scorn.

Oh, and Sol Divisive Vex.

[dim minnow]

don't forget Shadow Legion

[hollow fern]

What are the 3 echos called

[jagged badge]

Echo of Command, Echo of Riis and Echo of Navigation

[dim minnow]

Echo of Command - Supposedly the memory of the Qugu, a race wiped out by the Hive. It allows its user to command the minds of others. After the Witness' defeat, it ended up in the Vex Network where Maya Sundaresh managed to claim it first. Currently it is still in her possession.

Echo of Riis - Memory of the Eliksni who suffered from the Whirlwind. In the hands of Fikrul, it allowed him to turn living Eliksni into Scorn. It also allowed a sort of mirror dimension known as the Revenant Plane to manifest. After Fikrul's death, the Echo chose Eramis to be its new wielder who left Sol to try and restore the Eliksni to their former glory.

Echo of Navigation - Its nature is not entirely known yet. Seems to be the memory of Oryx, the Taken King.

[lofty badge]

Echo of Rizz

[jagged badge]

[lofty badge]

The Rizzler Scorn

[slim girder]

So did anyone notice in the heresy trailer that when drifter is apparently ressed he's in what looks to be that same void the nine spoke to him in?

Like he's been ressed and is in a dream maybe?

[uneven mulch]

how many echoes are there?

[lofty badge]

3

[heady gyro]

Is it ever mentioned how glimmer forging works to make ammo

Do you gotta stick it into a machine and program it into a bullet

Or ghost just transmats it into a bullet

[slim girder]

Ghost transmats ammo to us

[lofty badge]

is that why our primary have endless ammo?

and i guess why we can seemingly carry a bunch of ammo

[blazing wasp]

no, theres not a lore reason for that

in fact, going by that, we do not have infinite ammo.

[lofty badge]

saddd but fair XD

[blazing wasp]

as per cayde

[slim girder]

Infinite ammo is gameplay only. In universe though we have limited ammo

The better system imo

[slow berry]

We used to have limited ammo on primaries

[lofty badge]

we still do

[slow berry]

Real oldheads will remember we had to carry ammo synths that would generate ammo on a five minute timer

[slim girder]

No we don't. All primary ammo is infinite now.

[slim girder]

The days of no rally flags. So you didn't start with full super and stuff

[slow berry]

So we probably in-universe do have a similar system of needing to pull the ammo into wherever we go with some not-instant but reliable way to replenish it on longer operations

[lofty badge]

oh right i misread it XD

my bad

[slow berry]

Weapons that regenerate ammunition are generally considered special so we know they're special that way

[heady gyro]

That's what i thought too

[vagrant bridge]

The ammo feed system is shaped like an infinity symbol

[lofty badge]

i know lol

[sacred anchor]

Then there is the sweet business and actium war rig combo.

[languid charm]

||So eris just woke up in her own throne world at the end of the mission?||

[lime tiger]

|| im mad i forgot about toland. im curious what role he will play in this ||

|| im also curious where the drifter went, since he didnt get death barriered haha ||

[cobalt tree]

||Probably why she was laughing||

[warm acorn]

||is Akka on the dreadnaught?||

[dull raft]

||I seem to remember that Akka was carved out to make the dreadnaught||

[warm acorn]

||so Akka IS the dreadnaught?||

[warm acorn]

||do not tell me Eris died in the 1st mission||

[echo brook]

||If she died, and just respawned on her throne world (she kept one...?) it would be 10/10 terrible of Bungie to instantly show us she respawned.. I mean what the hell.||

[lofty badge]

||did they really make a entirely new faction where the units have new abilites just for a season?||

[warm acorn]

||yes they did||

[lofty badge]

||i hope they reuse the dire for a future dlc patrol zone||

[warm acorn]

||I hope they keep them and this is the new taken||

[lofty badge]

||that would be nice||

[warm acorn]

||I like the new thrall and Minotaurs||

[lofty badge]

||I already hate the new taken vandals they can cloak XD but at least the taken goblins don't heal anymore||

[warm acorn]

||I always hated the teleporting thrall and the shielding goblins and vandals so anything is better than that lol||

[lofty badge]

||yeah lol||

[lofty badge]

||Uhh i found a recently dead looking cabal on the Dreadnaught||

[vagrant bridge]

||Armor pattern looks like it's from D1, maybe there's some survivors from the initial incursion?||

[lofty badge]

||could be if so damn impressive if they survived on the dreadnaught for that long, tho it could also be a object as part of the map itself||

||I think this guy is a big Witness fan||

[vagrant bridge]

Nah that's ridiculous, he would never be

[warm acorn]

Bro is holding out for final shape 2

Electric boogaloo

[lofty badge]

XD

[lofty badge]

the witness 2.0

with exstra taken

[warm acorn]

Lmao

True

Servers 😩

[shrewd junco]

||The interior peels itself off x.x||

[spiral sorrel]

||Pretty sure the ending cutscene of the first part of heresy where eris dies and is somehow alive? Little theory is that since eris did infact become a hive god, and im no lore expert, but since the dreadnaughts throne world is empty, and eris didnt make one to my knowledge. Eris could have taken oryx's throne and is in the throne. We will embody vengence/navigation throughout the season and revive eris. In the trailer we hear oryx saying we seek his throne/his dreadnaught as well. Us becoming the navigator will allow us to revive eris.||

Major spoilers if my theory is correct

[shrewd junco]

That theory goddamn

sounds so nice

[warm acorn]

i can totally get on board with this theory

[hidden pebble]

what exactly is the sword logic?

is it just survival of the fittest?

[sleek matrix]

Pretty much

[sleek matrix]

Yea the way she was laughing

Like it was planned

[analog torrent]

I haven’t played past the quest step where you enter the apartment, || is this similar to Mara Sov where she managed to die and be reborn in control of a throne world? ||

[sleek matrix]

Seems likely

[analog torrent]

That’s gonna be interesting

Is there a lorebook or collection of tabs that goes into what it was like from Mara’s POV when everyone thought she was dead? I’ve read every pre-WQ awoken lorebook and haven’t found one

[spiral sorrel]

or maybe like an "ah of course" type of thing, like ironic

[sleek matrix]

She in a pocket dimension basically

We can't reach her as of now

[spiral sorrel]

mara sov was basically in her throne world

[analog torrent]

I meant mara lore
I don’t even know if she “died” in d2 or d1

[sleek matrix]

We will have to find a way to bring her back but rn we dont even know she is in a throne world

[spiral sorrel]

Mara was dead, she died in D1 in the taken king, but had a throne world called Eleusinia

Which is actually the shattered throne dungeon

[brittle mortar]

just curious, how did the drifter revive in the cutscene? I didnt see a ghost

[sleek matrix]

Also the tablet of ruin has a quote from the winnower

The world is not built on the laws they love ... not with peace but by victory at any means

[analog torrent]

Drifter is a lightbearer

[sleek matrix]

Its basically telling us it's just a game

Chill lil bro

He's right

[brittle mortar]

whats that

[analog torrent]

Guardians are city-affiliated lightbearers

People that were resurrected by the traveler/a ghost

Ex: dark age warlords are lightbearers but not guardians because the city didn’t exist back then and they just ran around killing people and claiming land

[brittle mortar]

so he doesn't need a ghost to revive or anything? he is immortal?

[sleek matrix]

You do need a ghost

[brittle mortar]

but he doesn't have one? or does he, I didn't see one when he revived. What's the difference between lightbearers and guardians? abilities, lifespan?

[slim girder]

Lightbearer is just the word for a non guardian. Drifter doesn't defend the city like we do.

He isn't in any class either

He was brought back by a ghost and since then has just tried to survive

[spiral sorrel]

He has a ghost but theyve never shown his ghost

His is all sorts of messed up

Like his ghost actually killed someone, by itself

"The Drifter's Ghost is the nameless Ghost partnered to the Drifter. Though it typically keeps itself hidden, it is distinguishable by its red eye, inability to speak and a shell reinforced by the innards of five dead ghosts. This appearance is the result of extensive modifications it underwent during the Red War that granted it access into spectrums of Light beyond any other Guardians know of, and even into spectrums beyond the Light and into the Darkness, which lead to the creation of Motes of Dark, Gambit and The Derelict."

[hazy veldt]

Is there a chance that eris teleported into her throne world upon death

I mean she is sort of hive god

[hazy veldt]

I’m afraid I got it all mixed up but that would be cool

[desert iris]

Showing eris still being alive this early was such a fumble wont lie
Prob the 100th time something like this was posted but the fumble kinda makes me sad we had something going here

[fresh zephyr]

It’s what we call long form storytelling

The season hasn’t even started yet, let them cook

[desert iris]

Im not destroyed about it

Im still interested, just sometimes wished they put just a tiny bit of salt on the wound

[sleek matrix]

Its more of an out of character thing like drifter is gonna play it as she is dead

So are we since we went to the apartment

It does feel a bit odd but it makes sense she would have a throne world

Because of season of the witch

[desert iris]

Yeah that might be why

[spiral sorrel]

She also helped mara make a throne world, but im thinking its not eris's throne world but rather oryx's being taken over by eris accidently

[stable geyser]

I'm assuming she being alive on that second cutscene is her in her throne world but that laugh is kind of.... ominous

[tough badge]

uh... what did i miss?

she was like

on titan and stuff

[eager trout]

Hol' up

Perhaps the reason why the new stories feel so dull and bland (apart from the fact they fired like 50% of their writers) is because with the Final Shape we essentially defeated the Devil

When you defeat the ultimate evil any enemies that come afterward will feel like less of a threat

[mild junco]

Working theory:

||Xivu Arath orders the murder of Eris Morn. Upon Eris Morns death, Xivu Arath at some point takes over her body. This was in an attempt to effectively use Eris Morns throne world as a replacement to her own, as Xivu Arath has been banished from her own.||

[ember storm]

She was on Titan when it was taken

Season of the Deep goes into the whole shebang but basically she’s tuned in on the taken radio line without risk of becoming a mindless puppet

[tough badge]

W

[fresh zephyr]

With a little bit of risk, if she ever loses control she could be fully taken but that won’t happen

[tough badge]

but thats what we r learning to control right?

[fresh zephyr]

I think? I haven’t gotten past the first nether run yet

[ember storm]

We’re not learning to control the taken

We’re just tapping into the same power

[tough badge]

this activity is actually fun lol so many secret things in it

[warm acorn]

It’s so good

[tough badge]

look at this lil sneaky guy

thinks he can hide from me

[rapid harbor]

is this a spoiler free channel cuz WTF DID I JUST WITNESS IN THE FIRST MISSION?????

[tough badge]

erm

eris got a groll she wanted for awhile thats y she was laughing

[rapid harbor]

||nah im talking about her being stabbed by the subjugator???||

[tough badge]

ya that happened too

[plain sequoia]

dwifter feww asweep

i stepped on his body like

4 times

[tough badge]

he was shlumped

[plain sequoia]

needed a break

[rapid harbor]

||nah dude im about to crash out she better not be fkn dead||

[plain sequoia]

she dead

thats heresy

the end

[tough badge]

i got no clue all ik is im finding some crazy places on the dreadnought

I FOUND LORE

THIS WAS AT THE BOSS ROOM

HAS TO BE RELATED

[plain sequoia]

dog

theres so much

theres little pedistals you can activate too

ive been to the nether once so i have no clue

ALSO the eliksni ships that are blown up

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i currently have 2 randoms hostage while i explore 🙂

[plain sequoia]

i did it solo🗣️

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i have yet to figure out what this is

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BRO WHAT IS GOING ON ON THE COOOOOMMMMMSSSS

we dropping like flies wtf

ngl they better keep this level of storytelling up for this whole episode, im already hooked and it hasnt even been 30 minutes

MF GIANT EYEBALLSS????????

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ya they got aura lvls dont let it get too high

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bro... wtf man ||why eris||

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ORYX IS A DAUGGHTER????

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ye originally named Auryx but went LGBTQ when she bacame a god

not a diss btw twas a joke

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

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have you never read the books of sorrow?

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i dont lore lol

[rapid harbor]

Yup Oryx was Auryx, Savathun was Sathona, and Xivu Arath was Xi Ro

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im just trying to find these stinky worms

[rapid harbor]

you should watcha video on or read the Books of Sorrow, they are quite a great piece of literary art

some of my favorite reads of all time tbh

[dim minnow]

Oryx was Aurash actually

then Aurash became Auryx

and Auryx became Oryx

[rapid harbor]

right, forgot about that part

its been a while lol

[dim minnow]

Aurash, Xi Ro, and Sathona were all female

when Aurash took the king morph, she became Auryx which also switched her to a male

and later down the line when Auryx gained the power to take, he became Oryx, the Taken King

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then he became a corpse

[dim minnow]

and how he's nothing but a memory

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have u collected all the wormie dudes?

[trim grotto]

Haven't logged in yet

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eris morn apartment is the closest thing we are getting to guardian housing

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Rip

[sick yew]

And then uh idk haven't played far enough into the season yet but ghost maybe?

They gotta give Drifters VA a raise man

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Pretty good intro to hersey ngl 👌

Is this spoiler free I was gonna spoils something but I wanna ask first or my thoughs

Thoughts

[sick yew]

There is no spoiler rule in effect so ask away

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I was gonna say idk if yall did hersey. but in one of the cinematic eris takes her blindfold off and her voice tone changed you think it would be xivu because swear her voice did not sound the same kinda sound like xivu

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That was definitely Eris’ laughing so I’m not sure what you mean. It also definitely doesn’t sound like Xivu, who is always very loud and projects her voice

[sick yew]

Someone correct me but isn't Eris just hanging out in her throne world now?

That's how I interpreted that scene

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Unknown

[sick yew]

Okay it wasn't said explicitly but that would make sense at least no?

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I’m not sure

Personally I’m just gonna wait for the mystery to unravel first

[sick yew]

Fair

[sick yew]

In the meantime

Bro acted his ass off in that opening mission

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Agreed

[sick yew]

Also did you see Eris' pet worm in her apartment

A cutie

[dim minnow]

hmmm

what if it's Savathun

[sick yew]

[dim minnow]

maybe it could be something caused by Eris stealing her power back in Witch

[fresh zephyr]

Did you see the the Tablet of Ruin lore tab

We are so cooked

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It might just be my mind then

So wait do we have taken ability how dose this work exactly or is it something else

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What's it say

Don't tell me it spells out our ruin

On the tablet

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It’s the author

✨😭

The big W

[sick yew]

That being?

[fresh zephyr]

The Winnower

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Ah

So what they up to

[fresh zephyr]

It’s just scary to see The Winnower, especially because the last time they were “active” was granting Auryx the power to take

[sick yew]

I'm sure they're chill

Surely not mad we clapped the Witness or anything

[fresh zephyr]

Might have to ask Byf, he’s just mentioned it a lot and how it’s slightly annoyed we keep disrupting the game

[sick yew]

I'm not asking Byf

[fresh zephyr]

The Witness said something like “each child we save, you force to play the game”

[sick yew]

But yeah it was a quip I've heard mention back in Final Shape that the Winnower was apparently quite angy at us

But eh we'll see

[fresh zephyr]

I just dunno how you even fight a cosmic entity lmao. The Winnower is the big boss, and it’s even further removed than the Witness was which begs to ask the question, why would it care?

[sick yew]

Go ask it

They live right down the street

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah I’m besties with the Witness

So it should be easy

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||So....any idea if the Hidden swarm are on the Dreadnaught on Xivu's behalf Or because they are the remnants of Crota's brood and goes "Oi what u dread doing with our grandpa's ship >:("||

[tawny heron]

You thin she really dead

[tawny heron]

He is HIM for sure did you read the artifact lore

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wut?

[ember storm]

her body wouldnt just be left here for us to hold

[tawny heron]

Never mind did you play hersey ?

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if weavers and attendants are psions reshaped by witness then who are subjugators?

[sleek matrix]

The witness culled many species

[ember storm]

genetic iterations of Rhulk's dna from a sampled presumably collected a long time ago

[sleek matrix]

It could be a number of them

[ember storm]

same deal with Nez and Tormentors

[sleek matrix]

Or is that the grim I'm thinking of

[ember storm]

subjegators are definitely based off rhulk

grim are the flying rats

[sleek matrix]

Yes

[ember storm]

i also doubt they're individual members of the original species

[sleek matrix]

Those are unknown orgin

[ember storm]

i also think they're just a collected dna sample that are engineered and mass produced

husks are implied to be acolyte corpses piloted by resonance worms

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yes lol

[slim girder]

I finished the seasonal stuff for this week. So far I'm loving it and this episode def started off pretty full on imo.

Can't wait to see more lore and story development

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i wished we saw more of the hive in the nether acivety

[sleek matrix]

Its more about the dread too