#📚lore-discussion

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ember storm
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Lightning is when it does and hits the ground

flat jolt
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Void is nothingness, strand is the connection inbetween everything. Stasis is not moving, heat is literally movement, but so is arc

ember storm
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Void isn’t nothingness, it’s the invisible physical forces like gravity

frank barn
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Long ago, the 5 elements lived in piece, until the solar nation attacked

frank barn
ember storm
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Stasis is exerting your will over others and quite literally stopping all movement on an atomic level

flat jolt
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The st- naming conventions prove a pattern and the pattern is incomplete. Rahool would love this puzzle

frank barn
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Absolute 0

ember storm
frank barn
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Which is

ember storm
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Stasis is not related to actual freezing due to low temperature

frank barn
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Makes sense

ember storm
frank barn
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When a molecule doesnt move its at abosolute 0

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which is cold

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When you attack something with it the air particles also stop moving, freeze

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Stasis sharfs

ember storm
flat jolt
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Cold is more akin to a lack of vibration energy

ember storm
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Stasis forces all movement including the movement of time to simply stop

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The formation of crystals is the result

flat jolt
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The temperature is more to a side effect

frank barn
sleek matrix
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the only thing stasis can freeze is time and space to a stop

flat jolt
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0 kelvin is just the coldest we achieved but isit the absolute limit?

frank barn
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Yes

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Thats why its 0

sleek matrix
frank barn
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Nothing can be moving less than not moving at all

frank barn
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Cowlick’s Stasis analysis is ever-useful

flat jolt
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Stasis is more akin to cold or cryo instead of ice which is a result of when water becomes cold

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The Stasis crystals aren't water ice. Obvious enough, but I thought I'd get it out of the way. The extraordinary property of Stasis is its ability to create ordered structures from chaos—it doesn't care what kind of matter is available; it just sucks entropy out of the system until it's got a crystal.

ember storm
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Absolute zero is just the lowest temperature theoretically possible

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Stasis is literally the complete absence of all energy whatsoever

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Time itself just stops

flat jolt
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Colder than absolute zero

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But then again i read somewhere that stasis crystal doesn’t feel cold to touch

ember storm
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The point of paracausal power is that they go beyond established sciences and fundamental forces

jagged badge
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Cowlick cites that as a theory

frank barn
jagged badge
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Lemme get the quote

ember storm
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Stasis isn’t just the coldest, it actively removes everything

ember storm
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It’s not like she was getting dietary supplements

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It was just a complete blur on her end

jagged badge
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(Now, I am a little disappointed to discover that the super vacuum hypothesis is out. Quantum physics says it's impossible to know the exact energy state of a volume of space, and "zero" is an exact energy state—so it's physically illegal for a volume of space to have zero energy when observed. That's why we get random virtual particles popping in out of the void; they're created and destroyed by the energy of emptiness. Some Warlocks thought that if you carried out the impossible task of sucking ALL the energy out of a volume of space-time, nulling out even the zero-point fluctuations and achieving a True Void, then you could achieve a physical regime where space and time themselves ceased to exist. Instead, you'd get a "space-time condensate," a superfluid vacuum capable of interacting with itself to generate structure. In this theory, the Stasis crystals were a cold so deep that they froze space-time itself! It had a certain elegance, but either the True Void does not exist, or it is not here attained, or I am just misinterpreting this data.)

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I must admit I understand not a lot of the sciencey stuff here

frank barn
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It was the witnis who let her out yeah

jagged badge
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But just contextually, it appears that Cowlick is dismissing that theory from being fact

frank barn
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?

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frank barn
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Hmmm

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frank barn
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So solar and arc are simple then

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Just lighting and fire energy?

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Wait no

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Solar is like nuclear stuff

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Bc sun

ember storm
flat jolt
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But osiris doesn’t have control over stasis right? Only strand?

jagged badge
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We haven’t seen him use it, but it’s not unlike Osiris to have at least looked into it heavily

flat jolt
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Ya cuz wiki doesn’t say he has full access of all, just the light powers and strand

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Osiris is Lightless

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His Ghost died years ago

frank barn
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Wait so ikora uses void right? But she knows stasis and some others yes?

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Zavala uses stasis

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Cayde used to use solar

jagged badge
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Ikora likely knows all the subclasses. Void is definitely her signature one though

frank barn
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Eris and elsie are stasis

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Wait is saint 14 still a lightbearer

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or no

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Osiris is strand

frank barn
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frank barn
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If ikora can wield all classes

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Could she use prismatic

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?

jagged badge
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We see him use Sentinel Shield in Echoes

frank barn
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Oh yes

jagged badge
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And cast Ward of Dawn in Excision

frank barn
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Interesting

flat jolt
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But ikora hasnt in cutscenes or gameplay use any darkness power right

frank barn
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Zavala asked her to teach him stasis

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After targe died

ember storm
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She did use stasis in the excision epilogue with Zavala

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Or was it strand

flat jolt
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Ah, gotta go youtube that one

frank barn
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probably stasis

ember storm
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Either way they were using darkness together

frank barn
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I think ikora could wield prismatic though

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frank barn
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She has mastery of all

jagged badge
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We know from dialogue that Ikora taught Zavala Stasis, but we see in the cutscene that she’s using Strand

frank barn
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Oh

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And we can assume she knows arc and solar

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So she litterally knows all

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Why cant she use prismatic

ember storm
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Prismatic isn’t just having access to the subclasses individually

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It’s using the power of the pale heard to blend them together

frank barn
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Its the power of the pale heart?

ember storm
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“The line between light and dark is gone” is how Ghost described it

ember storm
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It’s the same pink as the portal

frank barn
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I thought it was just bridging the game between light and dark

ember storm
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No, it’s specifically blending it together

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Just using a light melee and a dark grenade isn’t prismatic

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The actual transcendence power is what prismatic is

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The pink stuff that actually mixes light and darkness directly

frank barn
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I might be actually dumb i just assumed the pink was the average of all the subclass colors but now that i think about it no it isnt 😭

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This is what the average of the colors would be according to chat gpt

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flat jolt
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Tanned

frank barn
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Yep

ember storm
frank barn
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?

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flat jolt
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So erm, what class do you guys main?

frank barn
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Uh

flat jolt
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trynna change the conversation

frank barn
ember storm
frank barn
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I personally main opiuchus

slim girder
lost abyss
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im going to leave that extra space there

slim girder
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Sagira

frank barn
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Anyone here main geppetto?

errant tapir
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Is Rasputin still there?

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Can we see Rasputin in the moon?

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lost abyss
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errant tapir
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WHAT

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NOOOOOOOOO

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How did he die?

ember storm
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Sacrificed himself to stop Eramis from using the warsat network against us

slim girder
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@errant tapir https://youtu.be/FjeNGkyEY2I?feature=shared

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Here

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This is where rasputin made the sacrifice

errant tapir
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Chioma esi? Or Maya sundaresh?

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Or is it the bray one?

slim girder
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The other exo is her sister elsie bray

errant tapir
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Wtf

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Rasputin died where?

hollow hinge
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Before Lightfall

slim girder
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This was a while ago now

hollow hinge
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Also Maya wasn't featured properly outside of lore and vague references until Episode Echoes

errant tapir
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I didn't see Rasputin died in the YouTube video

hollow hinge
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Some lore tabs, the audio logs on Neomuna and MSund12 reference in that one strike

errant tapir
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Or am I blind?

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Elsie got power off

hollow hinge
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He dead

errant tapir
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Oh

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Wait what

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Rasputin is inside Elsie?

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Huh?

slim girder
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No

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That exo on the wall is Rasputin

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The one ana refers to as red

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The one she pulled the cord on

errant tapir
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God dang it

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U threw me off

slim girder
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Ana is the human, Rasputin is the exo on the wall. The other exo who ana hugs is Elsie

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Rasputin was deleted so that the warsats would be deactivated for good. So far none of Rasputins weapons can be used anymore

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Now that he is gone

errant tapir
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The giant black thingy that's going to shoot traveller?

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Also isn't traveller capable of defending herself?

slim girder
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Yes those are warsats. Rasputins orbital laser system. Eramis was going to use them against the traveler so Rasputin sacrificed himself to stop her.

slim girder
trim grotto
errant tapir
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God dang it

slim girder
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The traveler has never been a being capable of destruction. It terraforms things and uses light more to push things back rather than destroy

errant tapir
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@trim grotto where is the list of all events of D2 again?

trim grotto
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Alright
Do you want the "short" version or the long version

errant tapir
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I wanna watch from shadowkeep till final sheep includes season

knotty musk
trim grotto
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well the long version was written by a guy who studies linguistics haha

knotty musk
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hm

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I will take the short version and likely ask more anyway

trim grotto
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Cassoid = Latin Language and Roman Numerals = Mos Ganon V
Nadir = Scientific Term and 3-letter alpha code (two upper case, 1 lower case, MSc) = Baryon MSc
SUROS = Music-Related Term followed by "-##" = Sonata-48
Omolon = "Abyssal or Cthonic Entity" (per Destinypedia) followed by a space, the weapon type abbreviation and a number = Jigoku SR5
Hakke = Famous Ruler or Legendary Figure followed "-[letter upper case]" typically earlier letters in the alphabet for progressing rarity = Galahad-E
Veist = Vemonous creatures followed by "-#[weapon abbreviation in lower case]" = Jararaca-3sr
Daito = Geographical Places and Cities followed by "-[weapon abbreviation, upper case]#" = Cydonia-AR2
Crux/Lomar = Royal or Noble Name followed by a space, two-letter alpha code upper case / # = Baron RS/1
Tex Mechanica = Wild West themes followed by a space, designation, space, number = Maverick Mk. 32

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As written by Eruke as a shorthand version

errant tapir
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There is a link to a spreadsheet that contains the information of all the events throughout Destiny 2 somewhere in this channel.

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Where is it again?

trim grotto
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Depends which you mean. There's a recap written by Dova in the pins. Otherwise there's a few timeline sources I can refer to.

flat jolt
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I wish we can pin what eris wrote earlier for a simple recap summary of things since the start of lore

trim grotto
trim grotto
flat jolt
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@jagged badge would you be so kind? I think it would greatly help any newcomers or people who wants a history lesson.

errant tapir
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i remembered someone sending me it

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but i forgot who

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dis wan

heady monolith
lost abyss
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Strength in a Lightbearer's abilities isn't really measurable past a certain point. There's cases like Ana's Golden Gun leaving sunspots during Twilight Gap, and Crow-as a new light-having his knives made from Solar being described as "Crude", but in terms of a differing in power output, there isn't really a "Stronger", as far as I know.

slim girder
trim grotto
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to be fair that same entry also critiqued the validity of such ranking

slim girder
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True but it does still show that guardians fall into some type of power measurement even if at the end of the day it might not mean anything at all

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Guardians do hunt for power after all so I'm not surprised that some compare themselves to others or that a ranking system even exists

errant tapir
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The event of us stole saint from another timeline

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Did it have any consequences?

trim grotto
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Not really, but for two different reasons.

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Firstly: Saint-14 would have been killed by the Martyr Mind without our intervention. In our original past, he was. The same thing would have occurred were we not involved this time.

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Secondly: Our actions bound the timelines together. Two pasts, one future.

errant tapir
trim grotto
errant tapir
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Hmm?

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That's a frequency thingy

trim grotto
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yes but look at the shape of it

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Two distinct bars
that become one

jagged badge
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Flip the image round to make the metaphor more apparent

trim grotto
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i used copy paste from the internet and literally none of them are oriented that way on google images

errant tapir
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Ohh

lost abyss
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I'm glad this topic came up because I've been meaning to refresh on this

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There we go

errant tapir
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Wait wait wait

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Hold up

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Wait a minute

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Something ain't right

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Why is Osiris and saint timeline different?

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Aren't we all in the same timeline beside clone saint?

trim grotto
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she means that the timeline we're from and the one living saint was from became one

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the two pasts are both as true as one another

errant tapir
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Yeah i kinda seem to accept that

errant tapir
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But why is this different?

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Aren't we all in the same timeline?

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Us Osiris original saint

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The Saint we saved is not from the same timeline

errant tapir
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Ohhh

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I think I know what u mean

jagged badge
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Perhaps my labels are unclear

errant tapir
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Yes

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I thought bottom was original saint timeline

jagged badge
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But I called the last part “Rescued Saint timeline” because the timelines merged after he was rescued

errant tapir
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Turns out bottom is timeline after we abduct different saint

jagged badge
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Before

errant tapir
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Wait what

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Okay....

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Got it

trim grotto
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tada

errant tapir
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Nice a branch

trim grotto
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my amazing art skills

errant tapir
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Yesssss

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Marvel Endgame

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From the one where Ancient one drew a line and branches

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To explain it to Bruce Banner

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errant tapir
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yes

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well if my logic is correct, after we abduct saint, we make another branch.

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One where saint isn't there

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Another timeline where alternate saint isn't there

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What about our analogy wasn’t clear

errant tapir
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at first it isn't very clear

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There’s no branch off. We conjoin the timelines

errant tapir
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now it is

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Adding the arrow to show the chronological flow

fast tapir
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incredibly important

empty fern
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Are we talking about echos side plot drama again?

trim grotto
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no

flat jolt
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This needs to be pinned too

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Rmb there was some mad warlock woman who started killing all the stasis users condemning them as heretics then she got locked up or whatever, where is she anyway? I rmb she learned to accept the fact that darkness isnt an enemy just a fact of life.

jagged badge
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Her, Aisha and Reed were in the ships the Witness just simply destroyed

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Fortunately for her and Aisha, their Ghosts weren’t sliced like Reed’s was

flat jolt
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The ships in the cutscenes? Those weren’t the fireteam that appears in the early days destiny trailer? I think those guys also appeared in the osiris cutscene where he simply stops time when the two fireteam was engaging the vex.

jagged badge
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The fireteam in the trailers aren’t a canon thing, considering in said trailers, they’re taking the place of the Young Wolf in story beats

flat jolt
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Ah i see.

ember storm
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Also they were just a random group of 3 humans in the trailers

lost abyss
errant tapir
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chat

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lore time

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all info about dreadnaught

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next act

slim girder
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We killed oryx so now it has just been drifting in Saturn's rings since then

errant tapir
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damn

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i thought u was supposed to be the paragraph guy

slim girder
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But there's things like the books of sorrow detailing it's creation and the prisoners it holds in it's depths.

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The whole thing is an anomaly and shouldn't exist by logical means

errant tapir
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damn

willow dagger
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@trim grotto who is Vesper's host?mraaaaaaaaooooo

trim grotto
low gyro
trim grotto
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yep

errant tapir
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Day 19 of asking fun facts lore

trim grotto
errant tapir
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Ohh

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I read that

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Some weapons have origin trait

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Hakke breach armament

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Iirc

trim grotto
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Yes. Any weapon produced by Häkke since... Witch Queen introduced the concept of Origin Traits.

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Exotics aside, that is, since they already have their own unique traits and perks.

errant tapir
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Ohhh

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So mainly our guns are as late as witch queen?

trim grotto
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Most folks don't really use anything older except for Exotics. It's also why guns from older raids are being reprised to be craftable and have origin traits, such as the newly reprised loot from Garden of Salvation.

slim girder
low gyro
trim grotto
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They did also create Revision 0

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errant tapir
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gasp

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Zavala?

trim grotto
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Häkke in the Golden Age is rather different to Häkke in the City Age, mind you

errant tapir
trim grotto
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nay
for now, i sleep
as i have work tomorrow

fairwell

errant tapir
slim girder
low gyro
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well to be fair knitting takes discipline

slim girder
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True

slim girder
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The lightblade escaped during witch queen when we fought them so I wonder if it's possible he could return to the dreadnought in heresy. Would kinda of fit the heretic theme having a light bearing hive in the dreadnought.

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Maybe it could be a new strike inside his old cell.

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Or hell even a new dungeon since we're still supposed to get 1 more out of the 3 episodes

low gyro
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Somehow Oryx returned... Wielding the Light this time

slim girder
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The echo lands on titan and revives oryx.

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Calling it

dim minnow
slim girder
flat jolt
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I wonder whats the newest gun company

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flat jolt
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Was it made during the city age? Do we know the founder?

ember storm
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I don’t know if we know the name but we know how the concept came into being

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He watched a man die from a snake bite just outside the city walls

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The snake in particular was also native to SA which is nice attention to detail

flat jolt
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Hahaha. Dude saw a snake kill a man, proceeded to make more snakes to kill many things.

hollow hinge
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So locking the area down wouldn't be feasible long term

frank barn
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Is zavalla still the titan vanguard?

jagged badge
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Yes

frank barn
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Ok

willow dagger
low gyro
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Yeah, he may be lightless but he's far from helpless

ember storm
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Maybe he’ll actually wear his helmet from now on CATGRIN

fringe wasp
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unironically, is there a lore entry about a guardian tryna dring omolon gun fluid?

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i keep wondering what would happen

trim grotto
lost abyss
ember storm
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It’s the opposite

trim grotto
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I'm taking a guess in that the liquid ammunition that Omolon uses may be similar. Or maybe not, who knows?

lost abyss
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Oh, thx I had it backwards

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I love this chat, just learned something new

ember storm
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Oobleck is sadly not edible

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According to “scientists” at least

slim girder
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@trim grotto do you know if there's any lore on the whereabouts of the lightblade? Considering we're going back to the dreadnaught I think that means there's a pretty high chance they could return there.

trim grotto
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Not that I am aware of

slim girder
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Ok then just wondering

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Did the strike yesterday and when I saw the ghost fly off it got me thinking if they could reappear somewhere

lost abyss
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I read up earlier in this channel that most Vex are just workers that have tools that are capable of being used for combat and that we don’t really know what a “warrior vex” is. But now I wanna know is Atheon just another one of these worker vex or??

trim grotto
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There is no evidence that "warrior vex" as their own subtype exist.

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All Vex are multitaskers. Vex weaponry is as much a weapon as a tool.

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Atheon was a Vex who ran the equivalent of an experimental science lab. It was not a soldier.

lost abyss
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Yeah, the idea that there are Vex frames built specifically for combat, came from Calus iirc. And, he isn't very trustworthy, as he is often hyperbolic.

trim grotto
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Indeed. It was an offhanded comment at best, and did not suggest that they actually existed - just that he was aware that Vex were not produced solely with the idea of combat in mind, and we should fear that they may one day attempt this.

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The closest example that comes to mind was the Martyr Mind that killed Saint-14, and even that was also used to drain his Light. Despite this, it was simply a large Minotaur in chassis.

errant tapir
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Day 20 of asking fun facts lore

lost abyss
trim grotto
errant tapir
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Oooo

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Baba yaga

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I once heard

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He killed a person many times

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With a FUCKEN shield

lost abyss
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Also worth mentioning that is he's good friends with the a Kell, now. His story as the "Saint" to the Eliksni was concluded in Season of the Splicer.

trim grotto
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Floof is right. Saint is on strong terms with the Eliksni of House Light these days.

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But this shows what they thought of him in the past.

lost abyss
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Ah, I was just about to link this lmao

trim grotto
lost abyss
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He's too fast

errant tapir
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How many seasons are there?

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There's too much

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I wanna binge watch all the campaign and seasons

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But I guess it's fucken 72 hours worth of time

trim grotto
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Echoes would be 25, though the Season system wasn't quite as we know it back in the beginning.

errant tapir
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Fuck I forgot

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Red war didn't introduce season yet

trim grotto
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Red War, Curse of Osiris, and Warmind are technically considered the first Seasons

errant tapir
trim grotto
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Season of the Outlaw, with Forsaken, began the modern system

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Sort of

errant tapir
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I've watched red war

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And it took me 3 hours

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Just for a campaign

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There's like 10 campaigns

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And 25 seasons

trim grotto
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I still remember my teammate one shotting Ghaul with a single Nova Bomb.
Very anti climactic.

errant tapir
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Wait

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What's the name of saint's ghost?

trim grotto
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Geppetto.

errant tapir
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Seasons

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Wait wait

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3 season 3 episodes 9 acts?

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Per year?

trim grotto
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4 seasons a year. Like actual seasons.
This year they changed Seasons to Episodes. 3 a year, divided into 3 acts each.

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I believe they're going back to Seasons next year.

errant tapir
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Fak I'm so confused

trim grotto
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What is confusing about that?

errant tapir
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Episode echoes? Echoes is the act?

trim grotto
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Episodes have acts. 3 acts an episode.
Like chapters in a story.

errant tapir
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Why did Bungie suddenly want to change it?

trim grotto
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We are in Act 2 of Episode Revenant right now

errant tapir
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Wait.....

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Episode of echoes is 4 months ago?

trim grotto
trim grotto
errant tapir
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Oh....

trim grotto
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June 11th

errant tapir
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Lost signal abberant?

trim grotto
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Those are guns

errant tapir
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In the episode echoes?

trim grotto
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They are from Echoes, yes.

errant tapir
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What was the first episode this year?

trim grotto
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Echoes.

errant tapir
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Revenant is the second?

trim grotto
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Yes.

errant tapir
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What

trim grotto
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What?

errant tapir
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We are already at December and still at 2

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Where last one?

trim grotto
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We are in Act 2 of Revenant. We still have a 3rd Act before we get to Heresy.

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Heresy will last a few months itself.

errant tapir
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6 months

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Well 6 and a bit more months

errant tapir
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Do we have info on act 3?

trim grotto
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The Dreadnaught will be involved, somehow. As will the Hive, and probably Xivu Arath.

errant tapir
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Info on act 3?

trim grotto
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Well, the current story will continue. Finding the Apothecary, fighting Fikrul, hopefully curing Misraaks.

errant tapir
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Wait

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Why was mithraks sick?

sick yew
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During a previous season we collected relics of Nezzy to turn them into a nice tea that could wake Osiris from his coma

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Turns out meddling around with these artifacts kinda gave him the big sick

errant tapir
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Stop

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Who is nezzy?

sick yew
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Nezarec

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Nezzy for short

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Just his nickname

errant tapir
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Relics of nezarec?

sick yew
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Yes

errant tapir
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What is his relic?

sick yew
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Artifacts

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Just various objects that used to be in his possession

errant tapir
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Why was Osiris in a coma in the first time?

sick yew
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Remember when Savathun took over his body?

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And then got imprisoned by Mara Sov and struck a deal to exorcise her worm

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After we did that she gave Osiris back but he was in a deep coma

errant tapir
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Ohh

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So it did took a toll

sick yew
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It did

errant tapir
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Did she cast a spell?

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Use techeuns?

sick yew
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I can show you the cutscene

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Hang on

errant tapir
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Yes yes yes

sick yew
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Some small notes
1 by this time Crow had no recollection of his former life
2 we didnt actually know that Savathun was controlling Osiris at least the characters thought Osiris just kinda pulled the traitor move during season of Splicer

trim grotto
errant tapir
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Who is next to saint?

sick yew
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Us lol

errant tapir
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Oh lol

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I didn't know

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Okay okay I kinda know roughly the timeline

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But some parts are missing

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So we killed crow first then Osiris gets possessed

sick yew
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We didnt kill Crow we killed Uldren Sov

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At the end of Forsaken

errant tapir
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Oh

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After we free Osiris, nezarect just spawned and we venture root of nightmares?

sick yew
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After Forsaken there were a bunch of seasons like Gambit, Black Forge etc.
Then there was Shadowkeep with all the stuff on the moon and Eris, then a bunch of more seasons including Vex stuff and uh Rasputin shit and so on
Then came Beyond Light on Europa and the first season after that, season of the hunt is where Crow officially entered the picture

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Osiris got possessed basically at that time aswell tho

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During the opening of Season of the Hunt we are sent to the moon because Sagira (Osiris' ghost) got slain and we had to look for him, we find Osiris who by then was already possessed but we didnt know and Crow arrives aswell

sick yew
jagged badge
errant tapir
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Wait wait wait

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We knew nezarec long before roots of nightmare?

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How???

sick yew
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He was mentioned various times before that

errant tapir
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Nezarec's body rebuilding? Did we kill nezarec?

sick yew
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Theres literally an exotic armor piece with his name

sick yew
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Back during the collapse

errant tapir
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Hold

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Collapse?

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What is collapse?

sick yew
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The end of the golden age of humanity, when the Witness' forces first came to our solar system to grab the Traveler

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Horrific event, shit ton of people died but the Traveler made its "sacrifice" as its called which birthed the ghosts

errant tapir
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Why is it called sacrifice?

sick yew
sick yew
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Its what happened to the Eliksni

errant tapir
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I'm curious

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Which season or campaign?

sick yew
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Traveler was there, everything was great, Witness forces showed up, Traveler got the hell out of there

sick yew
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Some random ass lorebook prob

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@trim grotto I call upon you

slim girder
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It was the inspiral lore book from RoN i believe

sick yew
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Damn really that late?

errant tapir
sick yew
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Correct

slim girder
errant tapir
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Ooooo

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Do we have a video or animation traveller birthing process?

slim girder
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Though at the start guardians were instead called warlords and as we tried to rebuild there was a lot of fighting known as the dark ages

sick yew
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Btw Varo incase you want a condensed (but still very long) timelne of the Events from the earliest point in destiny history to today

sick yew
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Hangon

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SxZhkOhVRw&ab_channel=GameObs

YouTube
Game Obs
Vision from the Traveler Cutscene - Witness Corrupting The Traveler...

Vision from the Traveler scene when the guardian enters the Pale Heart in Destiny 2 The Final Shape.

#destiny2 #thefinalshape #bungie
travel vision scene, vision from traveler, witness corrupting traveler, guardian prismatic scene, vision prismatic, astronaut prismatic cutscene, destiny 2 the final shape, destiny 2 cutscene, the final shape cu...

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At 0:22 roughly

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This could very well just be an artistic interpretation but thats all we got

errant tapir
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Got it

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But we got the video so late lol

sick yew
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Yeah

errant tapir
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Like the story is traveller birth the ghosts at the very beginning

sick yew
slim girder
errant tapir
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While we get the video of that when TFS drop

sick yew
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Ishtar got a bigass timeline that gives a rough overview of basically everything

sick yew
slim girder
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The final shape we learned its thoughts, how the witness tortured it and how it was calling out to us.

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That whale call sound is the traveler crying out.

errant tapir
sick yew
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Yes

errant tapir
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Ohh

sick yew
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It starts at the earliest point we know in destiny history

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And goes on to the most recent aka this episode

sick yew
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Like breathing in after being underwater or something

errant tapir
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A very unique sound

slim girder
sick yew
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Interesting

errant tapir
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I kinda want us to able to talk to traveller

slim girder
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God that was quite an unsettling noise when I heard it

errant tapir
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In the future

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Maybe talking to traveller via ghost

sick yew
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We indirectly talk to the traveler via our dreams kinda? Its odd

errant tapir
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Wait what?

slim girder
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The traveller speaks through visions

errant tapir
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Really? Where?

sick yew
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That video you saw there is one such vision

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There was also one in red war

slim girder
# errant tapir Really? Where?

The vision of a white hawk is the traveler reaching out. If you see it, it means that the traveler is pointing you somewhere

errant tapir
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The bird vision?

sick yew
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHOO30e2yFs&ab_channel=Crouky

YouTube
Crouky
DESTINY 2 No Commentary Part 5 - Cutscene (the Guardian's vision) -...

This cinematic presents a mysterious vision that will steer the Guardian's onward journey.

Part 6 - "The Red War: Adieu (edit)" can be found at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgGNVHE1dOM&list=PLcwf9K9cOdz7m1ASW2RQ3Ze3b7h6W-HX4&index=6

With Destiny 2 Year One campaigns being 'vaulted' for the foreseeable future, this series seeks to primari...

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This here

errant tapir
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Ohh

sick yew
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Theyre usually very cryptic and shit but it is real

slim girder
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Everytime the white hawk appears it's the traveler

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That's the form it seems to take in visions

sick yew
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Also theres one loretab in which we read the Travelers actual thoughts

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hang on

slim girder
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Ergo sum

sick yew
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You sure? I thought it was the funny heavy trace

slim girder
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No that's for the big bang

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Ergo sum details it's thoughts on things like being sealed during the red war

sick yew
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It was microcosm

slim girder
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Must be both then I guess because ergo sum definitely has some more thoughts from the traveler.

sick yew
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I didnt read Ergo sum yet gotta be honest

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But Microcosm is basically the travelers thoughts as it teraforms mars

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And ends when the first humans lay eyes on it right as the rain starts falling from that very first cutscene

slim girder
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Def give it a read. A bit cryptic but if you know the events of destiny you should be able to recognise what's been talked about

sick yew
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Its traveler shit, stuffs always cryptic as hell

slim girder
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True

errant tapir
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Wait

sick yew
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uhuh

errant tapir
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A book has many chapters?

sick yew
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What?

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You mean lorebooks?

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Duh

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Wouldnt be a book if it was just one page now was it

errant tapir
sick yew
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But whether they tell one continous story or a bunch of small stories depends on the lorebook in question

errant tapir
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I thought a book was one page of scroll

sick yew
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Ghost Stories or Stolen Intel for example are just a collection of one page stories/reports

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Something like Most Loyal (my beloved) is one story throughout various chapters

errant tapir
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Is there a video on YouTube that summarizes each season with the visuals too?

empty fern
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Probably

ember storm
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What people do is compile all the missions and radio/helm conversations

slim girder
ember storm
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They’re never longer than an hour

errant tapir
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Awww man

civic quarry
civic quarry
ember storm
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Then in RoN Nezarec literally says a certain witch killed him and hid away the veil

civic quarry
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so the witness went "okay what the fuck?!" and reconsidered its choice for the end of the collapse to the end of red war

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and because witness sensed the light wave that erupted when the traveler broke free, it went "so, it wasn't dead!"

ember storm
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I feel like the witness wouldn’t have just done nothing for an ungodly amount of centuries if it truly believed the traveler died

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The closest thing we have for confirmation is Unveiling describing the creation of ghosts as a final argument, and the “winnower” wanting to prove it wrong

civic quarry
ember storm
civic quarry
ember storm
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They weren’t directly linked to the witness until the black fleet became active again

civic quarry
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That makes sense

ember storm
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It’s debatable whether or not the “Deep” Oryx communes to was even the witness

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Hive were subservient to their own gods and religion first and foremost

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And the traveler was “dead” to literally everyone until the end of red war, it wouldn’t have made a difference

civic quarry
slim girder
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It's purpose isn't to "kill" the traveler but to defeat it. It still needs the light from it. Not to extinguish it.

flat jolt
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Whos is the vespers host and does he have a connection with vesper of radius?

slim girder
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No

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Vespers host isn't a person

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Vesper is the name of the station and ai on the station and the "host" is the fallen colony that has been corrupted

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The station hosts this colony of corrupted fallen while they worship the anomaly and try to communicate through it.

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For some unknown purpose

blazing wasp
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Vesper is also like, a word, hence why a exotic is also called vesper despite having zero correlation

brittle dirge
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Atraks discussion??

shrewd ravine
ember storm
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I think it’s cooler that they simply don’t and remain as they do

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Vex are just completely removed from our understanding of culture and community

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They don’t see what they do as war or combat and have literally no need for it

blazing wasp
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Possibly terrifying possibility is that vex have no combat units because they don't need any

ember storm
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And like? If warriors hex DID exist

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Why would they never make an appearance at all so far

blazing wasp
ember storm
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Everything we’ve done with vex in the past few years would’ve been the perfect scenario for them to deploy their “best combat units”

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And no, wyverns aren’t combat units

blazing wasp
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Probably

ember storm
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Their weapons are derived from thermal lances to further the tool referencing, and all wyvern bosses are in the same general management position that hydras and Minotaurs are in

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Like the Override and Spire bosses

blazing wasp
shrewd ravine
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I guess I just liked the idea that we haven’t seen anything close to their strongest forces

brittle dirge
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I find it interesting that varik’s accent is just an act

It feels more than that

trim grotto
blazing wasp
errant tapir
rough path
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I need help pls

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me and my friend are playing the dungeon and cant defeat the end boss

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we need someone or some players more

trim grotto
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This channel isn't for players. It is for discussing the lore and story.

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;lfg

candid inletBOT
rough path
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oh i am sorry

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which chanel should i use then

trim grotto
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The options are listed in the bot post I just sent.

errant tapir
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Day 21 of asking fun facts lore

trim grotto
slim girder
low gyro
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Now that I think of it, it would make sense that vex don't really have units specifically designed for combat, they mostly just turn other things into vex anyway and this would need more in terms of terraforming and such

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Units specialized for combat would be a waste of resources in that case. Probably

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Not like non-paracausal entities stand a chance against them anyway

next bobcat
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Aren’t harpies combat-designed?

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What, with the shield wings and powerful weapons?

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What other purpose do they serve?

errant tapir
trim grotto
trim grotto
slim girder
# next bobcat What, with the shield wings and powerful weapons?

"weapons" isn't really the term. Vex gear has often been described as more like worker tools. A goblins slap rifle is more like a tig welder or key than a weapon. And who's to say they don't see their explosive ordnance as just means to break down resources

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Vex don't have weapons in the traditional sense. Everything is a tool.

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Wyverns are the closest we have seen to combat vex but we have no confirmation that's actually what they're for.

willow dagger
slim girder
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Weird considering how long they've been in the game now

oak bough
slim girder
# oak bough what about hydras

Hydras seem to be the equivalent to "bosses" with shields just being for protection. Like I could imagine having a hydra come on and start firing on a site to break down a planet

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Like an excavator

oak bough
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hmm i se

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see

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do things like atheon have a category name or are they just a type of minotaur

slim girder
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No vex really has a category. Frames are built for specific tasks but they do have base blueprints so they'll take on a familiar shape depending on what they're needed for.
So yeah Atheon could just be a minotaur or something like the Templar is a hydra. It's all about what's the most efficient

oak bough
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i see so all ‘types’ of vex are tools apart from some that are guardians of sorts

slim girder
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The only anomaly among the vex we've see is panoptes who has a completely different look and is built for seeding planets

slim girder
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Like fencing off a construction site

oak bough
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i’ve never thought about vex just being tools

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but it makes sense

slim girder
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It's all they know. Turn everything into vex.

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No emotion behind it or malice towards any other living species

oak bough
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interesting i just thought they were killer bots

slim girder
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Vex don't attack us because they hate us or anything it's more like trying to get rid of a weed. They aren't capable of that sort of thought. They just see something that's not supposed to be there and they want to remove it

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Guardians and paracausal forces are a threat to their future so they seek to find anything that can remove it. Not out of hatred but just because it's not part of what they envision

next bobcat
frank barn
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Would there ever be a witch queen part 2 or something like that where something happens with savathun?

void depot
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Most likely

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I could see them giving her a raid or something

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frank barn
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I mean season of the witch was to bring her back to life no?

ember storm
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Yeah that was the part two

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WQ ended with Immaru escaping and us going “well we have to deal with the witness”

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Season of the Witch is us being forced to cooperate with Immaru to resurrect Savathun since she knows how to deal with the witness

jagged badge
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And then Final Shape’s post-campaign deals a lot with Savathûn too

next bobcat
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So where is she now?

ember storm
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Living life

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Hiding in her throne world

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Hoping Saint doesn’t come up with another excuse to go and kill her

next bobcat
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Fair

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Whoops almost forgot the customary Christmas hat

errant tapir
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Day 22 of asking fun facts lore

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merry christmas everybody

flat jolt
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I swear its always the same ten guys in here. Lore discussion must be the least visited part of this discord group

heady monolith
uneven mulch
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whats the origin of still hunt? why does it have cayde's retribution?

worldly river
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Cayde made it caydeshrug

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It seems to be based somewhat on the design of Eyasluna, which is the basis of Marksman Goldie, it shares the barrel and some other elements from Eyas and/or Hawkmoon

worldly river
uneven mulch
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made it in the pale heart or before ☠️

worldly river
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Pale Heart, presumably

uneven mulch
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ah ok

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and what gun does zavala and crow use?

dim minnow
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Crow uses Hawkmoon

uneven mulch
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the one where he was gonna shoot targe

dim minnow
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that was centuries ago tho

uneven mulch
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damn it was that long?

dim minnow
uneven mulch
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true but i didnt expect that to be centuries old

errant tapir
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What's the story behind a veiled statue in GoS?

dim minnow
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not that kind of seduce

errant tapir
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The minotaur boss?

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Sanctified mind?

dim minnow
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it was left there a long time ago by the Witness

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I think it may have been how the Witness first made contact with the Sol Divisive

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or how it left the Black Heart in the Black Garden

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but it may also have been what it used to give the Kentarch 3 Darkness powers

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since it seems like they took the same route we did in GoS

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only difference is that there were some threats they did not encounter

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while they had to deal with tethers and angelics, there were no mention of the Sol Inherent

errant tapir
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Still confusing

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Are the veiled statue the pre merge witness people?

dim minnow
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the Veiled statues may not even be Dissenters outside of the Pale Heart

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or maybe they are, they are just completely powerless

errant tapir
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Hmm

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Still a mystery huh

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Do we know when's the next campaign?

dim minnow
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Apollo

errant tapir
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Or the final shape is the FINAL campaign?

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Ooooo

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When is Apollo going to launch?

dim minnow
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idk

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after Heresy

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but Apollo will likely have little to do with TFS

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since it is a new saga

uneven mulch
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and why is it called apollo?

jagged badge
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Collectively the next part of Destiny is called Frontiers. That’s split into the two expansions next year, Apollo and then Behemoth

low gyro
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not the final title yet

slim girder
# uneven mulch whats the new saga gonna be?

We have yet to see that. And also something to note is destiny wasn't called the light and darkness saga until witch queen. So no clue what this new saga might be called or what it'll entail. Vespers host and heresy are supposed to be our first look at the future but things probably won't be clear until Apollo arrives.

frosty belfry
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os there any exotic that has to do with firefighting

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or any lore with firefighting

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or putting out fires

slim girder
frosty belfry
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anything to do with extinguishing or fighting solar guardians atleast?

slim girder
trim grotto
# frosty belfry os there any exotic that has to do with firefighting

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/firebreak-warden
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/firebreak-rescuer
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/firebreak-shell

Firebreak Warden — Item — Ishtar Collective

The Last City still bears scars from the Red War—crumbled buildings, collapsed sewers, and caved-in basement complexes where spelunkers search for disabled Ghost shells.

Firebreak Rescuer — Item — Ishtar Collective

The emergency response systems of the Last City must contend with crises both mundane and extraordinary, from electrical fires to Warmind debris.

Firebreak Shell — Item — Ishtar Collective

For Ghosts who brave the flames.

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Also arguably this
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ii-wake
Though it was his own Solar flame, not some random fire

II - Wake — Entry — Ishtar Collective

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Burning grass fills Saladin's nostrils like smelling salts. He stirs from the abyss into a new life, back pressed against a towering pine that smolders with heat. Saladin blinks blurriness from his eyes to see the crater on the cliff where his rocket struck. Good, he thinks, picking fragments of metal from his plate. Isirah sinks through the s...

uneven mulch
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its i think either 2 possibilities

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either we flashback to the apollo mission finding the traveller

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ah

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wait

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the internet shutdown while tryna send the message yesterday

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damn

jagged badge
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It was the Ares One mission

uneven mulch
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oh

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someone here said it was apollo

ember storm
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Apollo Justice protagonist of Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney

jagged badge
trim grotto
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My bad
Mixed it with the Moon mission of actual history
Ares One is correct

trim grotto
fast tapir
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gonesensus 💔

trim grotto
jagged badge
ember storm
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Didyouknowgaming

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Eris Morn made her backstory up because she wants you to feel bad

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Her original name was Eris Mourning

fresh zephyr
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how dangerous are vex units in lore?

dim minnow
fresh zephyr
ember storm
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Teleport into you and kill you

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Like tf2

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It also technically isn’t teleportation, they just exit the natural state of time

dim minnow
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Vex memes are also infectious

trim grotto
dim minnow
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they can predict your next actions

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they have no concept of morality

fresh zephyr
dim minnow
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being captured by them is worse than being captured by the Hive

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and the Hive don't even take prisoners normally so you know that if they want you alive you won't want to be

ember storm
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Your body just explodes from the inside because they replace the space you’re in

fresh zephyr
ember storm
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Lore tab from splicer

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House light escaping from Europa

trim grotto
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The Vex are infinite, methodical. They are as a glacier, slowly crushing everything in their path.
They will kill you or painfully convert you. Your consciousness simulated and copied and subjected to every experience. Every planet, every being, converted into Vex.
Their goal for all to be Vex. All to be known. All to be simulated.
The Convergence. Their own Final Shape.

dim minnow
fresh zephyr
ember storm
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Completely gibbed a dreg

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Just a goblin

dim minnow
ember storm
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It’s just normal physics reacting to their antics

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It’s not a unique power

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Any vex “teleports” like that

dim minnow
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there's some really good lore excerpts on the Vex I got

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hold on

fresh zephyr
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dovadah (ID 437459720937144320)

[Message Link](#📚lore-discussion message) to #📚lore-discussion


The Vex are, so far, simply curious. But Vex curiosity always leads to Vex transformation [...]

The Vex will not rest until every star has been crushed into a black hole and every newborn cosmos filled with more Vex. And in the unending array of their enslaved cosmos, they will simulate all possible pasts, and fill those with Vex, so that all things that have ever lived or might ever live will experience infestation and consumption and torment by the silica nightmare.

And in those devoured simulations, the simulated Vex will use our flesh as hosts for yet more nested universes full of yet more nested copies of us eternally tormented by yet more Vex.

An infinite regression of pain and madness inflicted upon every possible version of us in every possible world. Not because they hate us, or fear us, or want to punish us. But because they are indifferent and curious, and they will do every possible thing to us in every possible way.```
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dim minnow
fresh zephyr
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well thats gruesome

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I didnt know the vex employed tactics like that

trim grotto
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Look at Asher Mir. Slowly undergoing a painful, incurable transformation. Flesh to metal, blood to radiolarian fluid.

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They have no concept of mercy or empathy.

fresh zephyr
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or fear

trim grotto
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Life means nothing to them because they may simply simulate it.

fresh zephyr
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makes sense

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but they apparently can respect things like Saint - 14

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who wouldn't

trim grotto
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Sort of. That tomb of respect was discarded into a data vault of trash data in some Nessus archive once Saint-14 returned to life via the Sundial, for it was no longer our history.

fresh zephyr
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makes sense

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and now theres a vex collective with more individual intelligence and more tactics

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the nessian schism

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even though they can't fight paracasual things well, do they still fight off the Hive pretty well?

trim grotto
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There's a whole bit in the Books of Sorrow about how Crota failed to handle the Vex within Oryx's own Throne World. Oryx himself had to return and banish them.

fresh zephyr
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yeah

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i guess its objective to say the vex will definitely give the hive alot of trouble

trim grotto
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Perhaps not the Ascendant, but most of them, yes.

fresh zephyr
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yeah

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and the taken as well

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are taken units able to infect others or does a king or queen have to do that?

dim minnow
fresh zephyr
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I see

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do we know anything at all for how powerful vex weaponry is?

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their exotic matter

dim minnow
fresh zephyr
ember storm
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I mean that’s a thing

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There are hydras that don’t

dim minnow
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Aeon Maul/ Torch hammers are explosive

fresh zephyr
dim minnow
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and purple

fresh zephyr
fresh zephyr
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im not saying it isnt aeon maul

dim minnow
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I'm pretty sure it was either slap or line rifle

fresh zephyr
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were the side guns shown?

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looking at it now it has the sounds of an Aeon Maul

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yep its an Aeon Maul

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so the fact that it went straight through a guardian without exploding goes to show how powerful it is

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or at least how hot

uneven mulch
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average vex hobgoblin seeing me miss my golden gun shot and hitting him instead

dim minnow
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Vex can't simulate paracausality

ember storm
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I mean the point is that there’s no way to predict if or when a guardian is going to fling a miniature sun

slim girder
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Or start making black holes or summon flaming hammers.

uneven mulch
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what does paracausal even mean?

errant tapir
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How did fynch manage to survive but his guardian is dead?

trim grotto
trim grotto
errant tapir
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How?
Why?

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I'm at the start of witch queen campaign

ember storm
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It’s not important to the plot at all

errant tapir
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Will fynch tell us why later?

ember storm
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He never mentions it anywhere ingame

errant tapir
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Wtf

ember storm
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The loretab “Lucent Tales: Fynch II” is the only place it’s mentioned

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Because it doesn’t really matter

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It’s not important

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He’s far from the first ghost with a confirmed kill anyway

trim grotto
# errant tapir How? Why?

Because his Chosen - not a Guardian, only those affliated with the Last City are Guardians - was a horrible monster and Fynch feels awful for bringing him to life.

trim grotto
# uneven mulch what does paracausal even mean?

To clarify further, think of it this way:
Cause, logical physics, effect - Causal. This is how we live our day to day lives.
Cause, unknown connection, effect - paracausal. As an example, the fact that we can command a Solar flame is consistent, and not necessarily illogical, but it clearly isn't physics.
Effect, no cause - Acausal

uneven mulch
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ohhhh

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is there a limit on how many ghosts the traveller can make? can the whole system have ghosts?

trim grotto
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The Traveler has not made Ghosts since the singular event at the end of the Collapse.

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It was a one time thing.

uneven mulch
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oh

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and some ghosts still havent found a chosen?

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after all that time?

trim grotto
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Correct. I mean, hey, ours only found us ten years ago.

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And look at Crow: He was only resurrected, what... six years ago or so.

errant tapir
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Is there a different race guardian?

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Like eliksini?

trim grotto
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Humanity (and Exo and Awoken) were the only Lightbearers to ever exist until the Hive a few years ago.

dapper moss
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whatd the eliksni even do with the light

trim grotto
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Well, to repeat myself, they didn't have Ghosts. So their access to actual Light was very limited.

dapper moss
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well yeah i know

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thats why i asked

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like what did the traveler even do for them

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besides hover above their planet

trim grotto
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The Traveler did for them what it did for us. It terraformed their worlds.

dapper moss
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lowkey forgot about that part

vestal gale
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did something happen between d1 closing and d2 opening?

trim grotto
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Not a lot, no. Just some simple patrol runs. Run of the mill stuff.

dapper moss
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our vault got nuked

trim grotto
dapper moss
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well ig that was at the beginning of d2

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yeah

vestal gale
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how the og tower looks like nowaday

trim grotto
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You used to be able to see it from the current Tower, before the parked the HELM on the wall nearby. One moment.

vestal gale
trim grotto
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That is the original Tower, viewed from the current Tower.

vestal gale
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is there any dreadnought mentions in the game

trim grotto
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We're probably heading there next Episode. It has been drifting, dead and slowly collapsing, since Oryx died.

dapper moss
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can't wait

vestal gale
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dreadnought was my favourite region

worldly river
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At best it might be a temporary patrol space like the Haunted Leviathan, but it's possible we may only see it as the setting of seasonal activities

vestal gale
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is vex milk edible

trim grotto
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No.

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Chemically, the Vex milk is an alkaline solution of dense salts in water. The salts range from sodium and calcium to lead and even (in barely detectable amounts) plutonium. Not good to drink.

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Furthermore, it will forcibly begin to convert the flesh of your body into Vex.

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[P01] Metallic. Coarse. Something else…

[C.B.] Does it feel digestible?

[P01] It feels… nourishing. It's cool. I can feel it making its way through me.

[J.W.] This is encouraging. No immediate effects.

[P01] No… I… wait. (wincing)

[C.B.] What is it? Talk to us.

[P01] Feels like… it's attacking my stomach— (vomiting)

[J.W.] Sir, his heart rate is spiking and his pressure is dropping. Damn it, he's losing fluids at an alarming rate.

[C.B.] Exciting, isn't it? What's going to happen?

[J.W.] He's going to die. That's what's going to happen.```
vestal gale
trim grotto
vestal gale
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best destiny dialogue

trim grotto
fresh zephyr
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So since an Aeon Maul can go straight through a person without exploding on contact, does that speak highly of it's temperature?

trim grotto
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If it is anything akin to a Torch Hammer, it is Firing projectiles of strange matter, the Hammer mauls targets with exotic particle decay and deadly radiation.

dim minnow
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though you did say the sound effects were akin to Aeon Maul

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maybe a different firing mode?

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or most likely an oversight

fresh zephyr
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bungie did it before in the Red War campaign cutscene where the guardians and the farm take back the city

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its where the centurion fires it's bronto cannon at them but they dont explode

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so perhaps thats just how bungie does cutscenes to save on special effects or to not make cutscenes too chaotic

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because an aeon maul would just be constant explosions

fresh zephyr
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wait nvm

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so upon impact, the torch hammer splits your subatomic particles into multiple particles

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so I'd imagine this would be good against armor or something

slim girder
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That's what radiation is

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Atoms being broken down and them releasing dangerous energy

fresh zephyr
errant tapir
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Day 23 of asking fun facts lore

trim grotto
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Häkke was originally a Golden Age company. Turns out, they produced Graviton Lance.

errant tapir
trim grotto
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You've heard that one?

errant tapir
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I think so

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The sender is the same person

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Maybe I did

slim girder
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Another fun fact.

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Felwinter challenged Lord Shaxx to a duel. Felwinter drew a dawnblade and shaxx broke it with his bare hands before backhanding felwinter so hard his head left his shoulders

uneven mulch
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whos felwinter

slim girder
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One of the iron lords

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The one Rasputin created to learn more about humanity.

uneven mulch
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and whos rasputin

slim girder
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The first guardians who protected humanity during the dark ages under a single banner.

uneven mulch
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dark ages is after collapse

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right?

slim girder
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When ghosts first began bringing people back some used their light to enslave people and small settlements and were known as warlords. The iron lords came together and vowed to protect humanity from them.

slim girder
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Just as humanity was trying to rebuild itself

uneven mulch
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ohhh

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saladin is an iron lord?

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iron banner

slim girder
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Yes. He and lady efrideet are the only iron lords left now. The rest died to the expedition to secure Siva from Rasputin.

uneven mulch
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is rasputin evil?

slim girder
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No. But he will protect himself from intruders. He guarded humanity on his own terms and refused to be treated like a weapon that could be used.
Rasputin isn't with us anymore though as he sacrificed himself to stop Eramis using the warsats to attack the traveler

uneven mulch
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oh

low gyro
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Might want to watch this playlist

https://youtu.be/Bf72Fazd3Ck?si=E5F4Y2fs-6jNaakC

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The Hive God of War moves to seize control Rasputin’s network of weaponized satellites. In her hands, she would turn its devastating power on the Last City. To stop her, the Vanguard has authorized special covert operations armed with the Warmind’s most advanced weaponry. Agents conducting these operations are known as Seraphs.

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fresh zephyr
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Do the vex have to study and take time to simulate and predict opponents, or do they do that instantly on the battlefield against non paracasual opponents