📚lore-discussion

[dim minnow]

but that would be difficult given how player-driven the story is

[river surge]

Yeah

[dim minnow]

sure, we're kind of a bystander a lot of the time in cutscenes, but we do a lot of work during gameplay

[river surge]

Also they didnt even set up the main villain of the saga which was exactly who

VI? TLoEN?

[dim minnow]

VI was stated to be the "Alchemist"

[river surge]

The final expansion of the promised line up

Basically

[dim minnow]

might not have been the end of the sage though

[river surge]

That will never happen anymore

I have so many questions

But they will never be answered anymore

[slim girder]

I know it looks bleak and people will be quick to assume things but we truly don't know what happens after AoT. I'm not saying D2 will regain development or anything but something can always change in the future

[dim minnow]

Destiny 2 as a game is done, but that doesn't mean the franchise will be

[slim girder]

Bungie is still a company after all. Something HAS to be made.

It is sad D2s journey is done but they have made it so just like D1 we can always go back and have fun whenever with all the stuff that is there now

[river surge]

With Sony they cant do none

Thats THE problem

[dim minnow]

maybe now that they don't hove to focus on Destiny game-wise, they can get people to make a series

hopefully it won't be Adi Shankar making it

[slim girder]

But you can't confirm that. I know everyone is very quick to point fingers at big corpo or pete parsons and by no means do I think they are completely innocent but the truth we really have no clue what's next for destiny as an IP

[river surge]

Currently as we speak they dont have anything in power to make Sony go with “Destiny 3” idea cause they believe “Marathon is next the focus”

[slim girder]

Destiny is lightning in a bottle. For all it's faults nothing does what destiny does and none of the "destiny killers" even touched it

[river surge]

They basically killed Destiny so that Marathon can die

…

[slow berry]

We had never had a primary villain in Destiny until the last three years of the franchise

Even if you want to argue it was "the pyramid ships" that was still just a very vague "The Darkness"

[blazing wasp]

i mean the main villain appears to be VI

[slow berry]

And that was only confirmed to be a thing four years into the story

We don't really need a "main villain", we have plenty of things to deal with

Also it was literally the first year of the new saga ofc we didnt have everything set up yet

[slim girder]

The witness wasn't properly revealed until very far into D2
Back in D1 we tackled a new threat each time

Black heart, Oryx, then Siva.
D2 it was the red legion, vex, a hive worm god, forsaken wasn't even about a threat it was more a revenge arc, shadowkeep was just about getting inside a pyramid ship and figuring out that the one who caused our collapse was coming back

And then in beyond light that kicked off the witnesses arrival and ended in the final shape

[river surge]

The Witness was part of everything that happend in D2

Oryx, Black Heart

Vex

Worm God

The Hive in general sense

[blazing wasp]

which was set up very late

a retroactive relevance

[river surge]

They had other plans

As seen in the concept arts

[blazing wasp]

a lengthy story like the light vs dark undoubtedly went through many scrapped plot points, small and big

[slim girder]

Unless it's the sol divisive the vex doing anything is not because of the witness.
Like you think the witness was telling Panoptes to erase us?

[trim grotto]

witness in its dms

[blazing wasp]

they probably ment that since the regular vex met us before the witness knew of our existence

[river surge]

Mhm

[broken sorrel]

So bael,xivu and maya still live and the whole rest of destiny 2’s life span after final shape we never got to finish them off

💀 💀 💀

[raw hazel]

🎊

The triumph monument is supposed to have final story beats so guess we’ll see where we’ll be going with them

[heady gyro]

having no new lore is gonna feel so terrible. The foundational lore and built on lore of destiny is just so good to me, i cant move on from that

[eternal gorge]

We might as well close this channel

[river surge]

Why tho

just cause the story has ended that dosent mean its useless

[raw hazel]

By that logic, close down the server because the game isn’t getting anymore updates

[river surge]

fr

[queen swallow]

It is still useful to have a place to answer questions and to provide updates from Bungie. Destiny 2 is still a very good and very fun game despite, and in spite of, everything.

[raw hazel]

i know

I’m saying the logic was silly

[queen swallow]

Oh

[strong tendon]

I wonder if theyre gonna close up the nine storyline like rapidly in random npc dialogue in the final update lmao

[ember storm]

actually every member should be hunted down and sealed away for all eternity

[lofty badge]

so..

is it 100% confirmed no plans for future destiny stories?

[raw hazel]

ask Sony

[queen swallow]

People at Bungie have ideas for Destiny. None of them have been greenlit

There is also still Destiny: Rising, which, though an alternative timeline, is still under Destiny and its IP

[glass snow]

The likely case is that we will see epilogue dialogue. Bits and pieces that set up narrative for the next game.

Meanwhile, people are going to be having meetings and going back to the whiteboard for creating a proposal that Sony will green-light. Something that Sony sees promise in and has confidence that a studio could handle it.

Hint 1

it has become clear that after The Final Shape, we have reached the time for our shared worlds, and Destiny, to live beyond Destiny 2.

Hint 2

Once we're through our launch window, our weekly blog entries will be entering a form of hibernation as well

Hint 3

You'll still find us starside for years to come.

I am sure they have ideas for a D3, but after how the past couple of years have gone, and seeing the near overwhelming response from people that they should have ended after final shape and made a plan.

They are taking that to heart and are going to really take their time planning it out before they work on it

[queen swallow]

You're reading too far into it. Of course the blog entries will have to pause, they're dropping one of the two games they write them for. And for the "You will find us starside..." they're still working on Marathon. They're not suddenly vanishing because of this.

[glass snow]

I will say that last one is a stretch, but the first line could not be more blatantly saying “we still have more plans for destiny, after D2.”

Especially noting that they said after final shape and not renegades. Meaning, that the end of the light and dark saga is a good point to move on from D2.

None of this is to say that I think a sequel is coming within the next couple of years. I think at best it will be a six year wait before we hear anything, Sony still values the IP, but D2 is a sinking ship

It needs a fresh start

[queen walrus]

As much as i love lore tabs i never ended up reading then all because i kept getting confused on which ones were from where come to think.

[west tree]

If anyone is gonna be playing June 9th update and will collect all the lorebooks and will know about how everything ends/where our characters end up in lore

Please make a big post, I'll try to get it pinned

[slim girder]

I shall try

If that is what we end up getting

[west tree]

Didn't they state that somewhere in the twid?

[slim girder]

I saw something about letters but don't recall anything about tying up the story as a whole

[west tree]

Sadly nothing of that but at least we'll be able to know where our favorite characters end up :)

[slim girder]

Ahhh i see, Ok i'll def be seeing about trying to get them all

[ember storm]

What if the dread were called the bread and made out of grains and wheat

[sacred basin]

Then they could be eaten and very tasty

With garlic

[cold onyx]

I wonder what shattered cycle and the alchemist would have been

[dim minnow]

Shattered Cycle: We were going to Old Chicago likely to ressurect/replace III.

The Alchemist: We probably would have dealt with VI.

[slow berry]

Shattered Cycle was probably related to the Dreaming City, I feel.

Alchemist was VI for sure

[slim girder]

I just wanted to know what binding the nine actually looked like. In my mind it looked like what VI had done with Bael but in a much less violent and painful manner.
Or maybe a member of the nine could be bound to special objects.

This thing or monster in old Chicago had the answer presumably

[shy remnant]

no longer enough time to explain

[dim minnow]

the ending to Renegades pretty much outright said we would be going to Old Chicago (Edge of Fate hinted at it as well)

[cold onyx]

they called Maya the Alchemists at times

she would play a huge roll in that dlc

Honestly Shattered cycles could be a good launching point for D3

i do hope we get d3

because lorewise everything was fine for the beggining of the fate saga

[trim grotto]

Well, it isn't in production, and Bungie's more likely to dissolve at this point than produce a new game.

[cold onyx]

so is destiny ip done

[trim grotto]

Only way we get D3, I would say, is if the IP ends up in someone elses hands and isn't abandoned.

[peak coral]

bungo is cooked

:(

[dim minnow]

during an interview, the narrative team outright stated that VI was the Alchemist

[heady gyro]

You know, if everything in the sol system calms down (as much as it can tbh) and all the big bads are taken care of, lots of guardians could just go into stunt work or be part of dangerous industry jobs. I'd like a slice of life destiny

Including The Guardian who' deals with the big fish, guardians probably have more free time nowadays

[dapper kayak]

could be a mini series

would be pretty good

[heady gyro]

Stunt worker guardian, underwater industry guardian. It could be a more character focused thing yknow

"Im getting paid less for stunt work just because i cant die, this is so unfair"

[dapper kayak]

lmao

[slow berry]

If its a guardian doing stunt work you would want them to die right

Like if you're already gonna do it might as well do it right

Blow 'em up!

[heady gyro]

oh they get to play all the crazier parts to save on CGI budget

when dying lowkey hurts, but rent is due so you lowlightenuinely just let yourself get incinerated

oh guardians would also end up in unions and become an actual problem for big studios

[dapper kayak]

lmao

[glass snow]

No, because it belongs to Sony now

[trim grotto]

Not until Bungie gives it up or collapses, no, it doesn't.

It was explicitly outlined in their contract.

The real question is how long Bungie lasts

[slow berry]

yeah and we'll get that sly cooper movie aaaaaany day now

[glass snow]

I just don’t see Sony trusting Bungie with that IP atm, that’s why they denied green lighting anything. They just don’t see the studio capable of running two live service games.

And who can blame them?

[slow berry]

they want to focus on marton, per the earnings call

[glass snow]

Yeah, because they know they’re capable of at least doing that

[dim minnow]

maybe Sony will use the IP for other media

[trim grotto]

I would agree, but Bungie still retain creative control until they sell the IP or collapse.

Whether the IP finds new life at that point...?

Who can say?

[glass snow]

At best, any discussions for future projects in the IP are at the whiteboard stage right now

Come around June, maybe enough people will turn up to show that there’s still substantial interest, which will make them rethink potentially shelving it

It still is a very valuable IP, the problem was trying to make it stay within one game for so long

[glass snow]

Sounds more like they intend to implement foreshadowing and teases for several storylines in the future, rather than explaining where we end up

[trim grotto]

Things will remain open ended, sure, but they literally cannot close every storyline with whatever's upcoming, either - so things have to be open ended.

[glass snow]

Yeah, I think they would prefer to keep it open ended for the potential of a storyline to be continued rather than to just do a write up of where it was supposed to go

Again, it did not sound like they were done with the franchise and that there’s more they want to do with it, it’s just that now is not the right time

[glass snow]

Narrative threads

• The Nine
• Lord of Every Nothing
• Xivu Arath
• Savathun’s revenge
• The Dread, Disciples, & Pyramids
• Conductor & the Vex network
• Clovis Bray

[slim elk]

Earth being dead and growing inhospitable to life

That's the big "humanity is doomed" arc again

[river surge]

Christopher Barret confirmed The Traveler is neither a planet or a being but both

Idk what that means

😭

[blazing wasp]

A sentient planetary body

Not like the nine

[river surge]

More like The Gardener manifested in our material plane

[blazing wasp]

Since they're not the literal planets

[blazing wasp]

In that form yes

[river surge]

Yeah bro im now even more curious on how they came up with that idea

I want them to drop these type of lore and infos man

[glass snow]

We will never know, and we really should never know

Some mystery has to be preserved for the atmosphere of the franchise

Just like how in elder scrolls there are various mysteries that are never meant to be solved

[river surge]

Nah it is already confirmed and it was already confirmed more than so many times

The Traveler is basically The Gardener manifested in our own 3D plane as a sentient planet body

Just like The Nine but without a physical body

[glass snow]

Even so, that is really as far as it should go

There are some cards that should be kept close to the chest

Having an answer for everything ruins the mystery

[river surge]

Yeah but it was already just confirmed based on the metaphors

that they lore always given about The Traveler

[glass snow]

Yes, I already acknowledged that
like I said “ that is as far as it should go”

[ember storm]

Didn’t he leave like a while ago or something

Isn’t he just sharing old pre D1 concepts

[river surge]

Well The Traveler was always part of Destiny so he is basically allowed to say things abt it I think

[ember storm]

Yeah but I don’t really care about “reveals” of information that could be outdated by 13 years

[raw hazel]

He was fired over misconduct with female employees

[ember storm]

[river surge]

Bro…

[raw hazel]

yeah

I know he filed a lawsuit against Sony/Bungie (forget which specifically) on grounds of wrongful termination, saying the allegations are false (I’m still catching up on all this but there’s been toooons of stories on how shit upper management has been for years so..)

[cold onyx]

I really wonder what they will do with more

I wonder if they are continuing

Like through books

Even if they don’t greenlight D3

[strong ruin]

Question for the Queer lore experts on destiny. How would a guardian remember or work with their identity apon being revived

Like say a Transgender person dies and gets revived as a Guardian like Mica-10. How does she remember that part of her identity if at all.

Like how did Mica-10 remember that part of her?

[slim elk]

May be case by case in memory retention
There was a throwaway bit of lore of Crow not liking the sound of handcannons

(You know, since he got executed by handcannons as Uldren)

Meanwhile there's that one ancient Egyptian Guardian who has trouble speaking with others as she still is fluent in her native tongue and didn't get info on how to speak in modern day languages upon revival

[strong ruin]

So if it was important to the guardian in their past life, the revival possibility couldn't remove that past?

[queen swallow]

Micah-10 is also an Exo and those specifically can have different ways of remembering the past

[strong ruin]

Thats also why I wanted to see OTHER ways as Micah could of seen old Exo Logs

Im asking cause iv been thinking of Guaridan OC lore for my character and wanted to use parts of the actual lore to try and make her fit into the world better

[strong ruin]

This is a MASSIVE step for my lore. Hearing that Guardians can retain parts of their past identity and personality makes so much sense

[slim elk]

I think there was an in verse debate if the Traveler was intentionally erasing memories upon revival?

Since guardians still remember who they are after they die every other time

Plus the whole concept of Thanatonaut

[strong ruin]

That would make sense.

Past lifetimes could mess with someones current life. I mean we see just much much crow was messed up after learning he was Uldren

[queen swallow]

I think the simplest answer is that it would reset their... progress? if you will, with their identity. That they would more than likely still transition as they had prior to becoming a Guardian, but that they might initially confused why they wake up in a body that's different from how they feel deep down. It doesn't explicitly say as much for Micah-10, but I could imagine that she was resurrected as male within a female exo body and was stuck until she found her Exomind archive and eased the process back.

[dim minnow]

I think the closest to an actual explanation we have is the Wager

[strong ruin]

Whats The Wager? Im not super lore intense so im probably unaware

[dim minnow]

It was the gardener that chose you from the dead. I wouldn't have done that. It's just not in me. But now that they have invested themself in you, you are incredibly, uniquely special. That wandering refugee chose to make a stand, spend their power to say: "Here I prove myself right. Here I wager that, given power over physics and the trust of absolute freedom, people will choose to build and protect a gentle kingdom ringed in spears. And not fall to temptation. And not surrender to division. And never yield to the cynicism that says, everyone else is so good that I can afford to be a little evil."

from Unveiling

keep in mind that the Gardener is the Traveler

the "trust of absolute freedom" could be referring to starting over as a blank slate, free from their past

[strong ruin]

So you become or can become someone completely different from your past.

You are literally not the same person who died previously is what im seeing

That actually makes alot of sense

[dim minnow]

some sources indicate that there are some traits that are retained

but for the most part, they're a different person

the main point of the Hawkmoon quest is that Crow =/= Uldren

[strong ruin]

Thats really cool to think about

Thank you all. This will help a TON for the Guardian Lore

[dim minnow]

is your Guardian an Exo by any chance?

[strong ruin]

My Guardian as Human.

If she was an Exo this would be alot easier to figure out lol

[dim minnow]

ah I see, I was wondering since we know that Guardian exos do remember their name

and the number that goes with it

[strong ruin]

My guardian is a very weird thing to figure out because iv been basing it off how I Play and what I do

Which is a Titian/Warlock hybrid thing going on

I shift what I play and do depending on whats needed.

[dim minnow]

like a Titan being a nerd, Warlock being a meathead, or like they can use abilities form both classes?

[strong ruin]

Abilities of both primarily and playstyle

When I play Titian or Warlock. I play alot of team based builds to keep others going

[dim minnow]

each class has their own way of playing support

though certain classes are better at it

[strong ruin]

When im on titan. I become the equivalent of a DnD Paladin. I become a massive pain to take down while keeping others alive or when im on warlock im very Healing and buff focused

To put it in a way that makes more sense to me

Think of a DnD Paladin/Cleric Multiclass

[dim minnow]

I wouldn't tie playstyle specifically to class, though I don't think there is a specific lore precedent that says classes can't use abilites from other classes

lore-wise, the classes exist as a way to organize and consolidate our unlimited power into comprehensible disciplines and techniques

[strong ruin]

Which is why different abilities keep coming out

Like the lore reason for Marksman dodge was Shaxx accidentally pushing a hunter so hard his guns reloaded or something

The hard part is finding a way to fit into background tower lore without feeling like main character syndrome

Like my character is not young wolf. Its again very DnD adjacent

The fireteam has no one leader.

[slow berry]

Micah-10 would've been resurrected as a female in a female exo body and only learned she was AMAB as a human once she found more history about her previous life, wouldn't she?

Since Exo bodies need to match the mind

[queen swallow]

Yes? I guess it would reset them to how they felt as of the time of their death?

And not further back like I thought. Then again, this is just for fiction so they can just choose either way

[ember storm]

i think oryx would be a big fan of mustard

[slim girder]

I think oryx would enjoy ham and pineapple pizza

[ember storm]

oryx would quite enjoy lego batman

[slim girder]

[ember storm]

hes got the coolest top scars

[slim girder]

At least we now know he's in the back of the room

[river surge]

“At least the stars will remember the shape I gave them” -The First Navigator

[lofty badge]

[jagged badge]

Hm?

[lofty badge]

Just sadd

[rare wedge]

So are all the main antagonists that are still out there just gonna be forgotten? 🥀

[slim girder]

Not forgotten but sadly it doesn't look like anything will really progress with them. Bael will be stuck trying to destroy the city, The lord of every nothing will remain growing in the ascendant place, maya will still be trying to spread her influence or something, etc

[rare wedge]

Winower, Xivu, Bael’s right hand man (I forgot his name), and those uhhh I guess those weird creatures in Europe. I’m sad we’ll never see more

And yeah Maya is just out there too

[slim girder]

Again it doesn't look like anything will happen from here. Maybe by some miracle something could change that but future is extremely uncertain here rn

[trim grotto]

Bill, pretty sure

[rare wedge]

Naaaah I think it was Philip or something..

[slim girder]

Gary

[trim grotto]

Dredgen Brian

[rare wedge]

Steve?

[jagged badge]

Alan!

[slim girder]

Batman

[rare wedge]

Y’know maybe it was Alan

But yes hopefully they make books or something if not games

[trim grotto]

One can dream

[slim girder]

Future is unknown. All we can do is hope and show support for bungie wherever we end up

[rare wedge]

Final antagonist is Sony

[slim girder]

Logging in for the update is the biggest show of support. Might not change anything but the numbers will speak

[rare wedge]

I will be logging in with my best fit on

I should wear a suit

[slim girder]

I'm doing it for the lore cards and IRL bungie rewards.

[rare wedge]

Truth

I heard Master Chief is gonna make an appearance

I’m lying but I feel he would be there too

[trim grotto]

It's been 15 years friend

Halo has grown up without Bungle

[slim girder]

Halo is that big brother who moved out and went their own way

For better or worse is subjective

[rare wedge]

My uncle grew up on Halo, let me play some, I grew up on Halo Reach, and then Destiny. Good times

[slim girder]

As a PS player destiny was my first actual shooter that I got into. I'd only played platformers, racing and action open world games at the time.

Joined in 2015 when I was 15 years old and now I'm here 26 years old at the end.

[rare wedge]

Destiny was like the first time I played an early access to a game and I played with my cousin. He had a thorn long ago and I was like constantly trying to get it back when the game launched.

I was 13 now I’m 25 :)

[slim girder]

I joined a lil after the taken king came out. Still didn't fully grasp everything like god rolls and all the really deep stuff but it was fun to play regardless. Then D2 happened and I got to start at the same time as everyone else so that's when I really learnt everything

[rare wedge]

Best thing I’ve ever seen was a few days before the Taken King launched. In the Cosmodrome, they had the new Taken spawn randomly in a hidden area and when you fought them, they were ?? Level and would insta kill you. Made you very excited to see what these things really were.

Including a big Taken Ogre

I think?

Maybe it wasn’t a Taken Ogre, just thrall

[cold onyx]

I hope bungie just releases what shattered cycle/alchemist should have been

And just tell us the story of the fate saga in like a book or smth

[shy remnant]

Best we’re gonna get is probably just a lore book or something yeah

A very light one at that most likely

[cold onyx]

Irl or in game

[shy remnant]

in game

[river surge]

I have a feeling The Traveler will canonically heal on 9th June and hover above the city for a one last time

That would be the right thing to do just for a one last time

[fringe sundial]

they wont do that

they want to leave it open ended

in case destiny 3 happens

[river surge]

Destiny 3 will never happen

[formal marten]

Sony has lost too much money
Hell will freeze over before Sony releases another destiny game

[river surge]

Thats why they wont do that

They believe Destiny has lost its light and its not a profitable game anymore

So they are gonna do something else

[slim girder]

Obviously it's no indication on the future of the IP but in the blog post they did say if anything related to destiny happened we'd be notified.
So I wouldn't say things aren't being pitched for the IP it's just nothing has actually landed yet. Will something eventually pull through and get greenlit for development? Maybe but it's very important to temper expectations here rn

[bright hearth]

They can leave it open ended even with the traveller coming back to chill over the city. They don't have to close the pale heart, and you gotta admit looking up at it would be hella pretty.

[fringe sundial]

healing the traveler = closing the pale heart

[bright hearth]

So just don't have it be fully healed. We've got no proof that it can't move itself while in it's current state.

[dim minnow]

just leave a big, glowing triangle in space

[bright hearth]

It'd be cool to have it in the city again though

Wait nvm I misunderstood what you were saying

That'd be the funniest choice yeah

[ember storm]

isnt it still producing weird paracausal radiation

[slim girder]

The aurora yes. It's still "bleeding" light and dark into space.

[river surge]

Yeah we leaving the symbol of Destiny in outer orbit just for the sake of a story that was basically closed and nothing will ever happen to it ever again

To my personal opinion

Its a waste opportunity

[ember storm]

Guess you could say they really dropped the sentient life giving sphere on that one

[slow acorn]

Hypothetically Sony/Bungie greenlits a D3. Should they reset back to Hersey or continue Edge of Fate Saga?

[queen swallow]

I see four paths forward:

1. Retcon the entirety of Edge of Fate and Renegades and pretend they never happened, including maybe minor bits of Heresy leading up, and start over from scratch
2. They Luigi's Mansion it and put us on a new character that goes off and does the Torobatl thing with Caiatl against Xivu Arath while our "old" character does the whole "bind the Nine" thing in the background
3. They keep it all as is and pick back up where they left off
4. They dump Edge of Fate, Renegades, and the Fate Saga for an entirely different story.

[prisma helm]

In my humble opinion EOF and the Renegades Campaign Narrative was great! Gameplay changes, etc. be damned keeping the story going if they hypothetically greenlight D3 would be fine. I think assuming they keep the mystery of the nine going the premise is sound execution is what matters

[lucid oyster]

What would yall want destiny 3 to be about if it was to get made?

I think something about the winnower would be dope

[slow acorn]

Personally whatever the narrative team would cook up will be fire no matter what. One thing I'm hesitant is whether we should be an entirely new Guardian or not. Though to be fair. I think bungie has given up on making vet dialog, so it wouldn't really matter

[trim grotto]

It's not like we had any character development beyond "we use darkness now" and "I like Cayde"

[lucid oyster]

I think we should be a complete new guardian but have some ties back to the guardian in d2, I really want a in-depth look at the winnower & gardener + see what bael up to

or like a parallel universe where the witness won

Or something idk

[trim grotto]

Well that would be an ended universe, frozen in amber
There is no gameplay

[lucid oyster]

idk I’d like to see more of the witness

[trim grotto]

Destiny: In Amber Clad

[lucid oyster]

I’d also like to play as like a hive light bearer

Think that would be pretty tuff

Or maybe make it a universal wide hunt for a wife/husband no combat or anything just life sim and love

[slim girder]

I don't mean to doompost but it's something that kinda concerns me about story and trying to continue in a new game.
Maybe I just can't think of a solution but how would you actually make a new game to just pick up were we left off? Like D2 had pretty much no attachment to the stories of D1 gameplay wise but here it's very different. We're sadly caught in the middle of a plotline. D1 at least ended in its main plots so then D2 could then carry on that story but here what would that even look like? Time jump to maybe past shattered cycle and the alchemist?

[lucid oyster]

I think maybe we play a prologue that ties up the storyline post renegades and then the ending of that leads into the main story of destiny 3

[trim grotto]

Probably a skip-ahead, leaving Sol.

[lucid oyster]

Hopefully

[slim girder]

What I'm guessing is that these lore cards we're getting in MoT will be the setup and then if a D3 is greenlit they'll take that lore as the foundation to start from

Like it's them setting up something just in case something in the studio does pull through. That way a foundation is there

[lucid oyster]

summer games fest June 5th on bungie and Sony they are unveiling d3

[slim girder]

Lore cards leave characters and story in a specific place and then as ideas are pitched if one gets greenlit they'll go back, grab that lore we ended D2 with and use that as the starting point for D3s story

[lucid oyster]

They need to leave Sol and introduce fully new factions and races

like keep the old ones too

Just also please add new races

[sharp flame]

a peak story line, imo would be
ghost tells us the traveler needs us, so we rush to pale heart, and it speaks, tells us we need to heal the traveler because they approach the grave. and we lose our abilites briefly only having a white super, we need use the super to repair the traveler, but it costs us our life.
but the traveler revives us, not ghost. and says that with its power back, we need not be, hunter, warlock, titan, and removes the bounds between classes, allowing us to use any ability combo, like guardians of lore.
then traveler explains some on what they are, that they are a 5th dimensional being (4th dimension is time, 5th being seeing between worlds) and is fighting against the winnower to save as much life as possible in this world the winnower created.
and that the grave is the grave of the nine, and we cant stop them from destroying sol. so we must decide, to run, or die.
so we get all of humanity into the traveler (imagine an event like the orders from helldivers 2) and when we get them all, we flee to another solar system, possibly one where the hive, or fallen, or vex, or what came before the dread, were born, and we see bat like creatures that were the grims etc. and we have to establish ourselves, and create a new world for humanity, becoming what the iron lords of old were. creating a new era

[trim grotto]

I mean, we already are like the Iron Lords.

Also, Guardians of lore couldn't use "any ability combo".

[sharp flame]

they could use more freely, like, a lot

but anyways, that my take

enjoy

[trim grotto]

Insomuch as they aren't constrained by game mechanics, yes.

[undone mesa]

my brain has been kind of non-stop brimming with stuff since the announcement from bungie

i think a game based during the civilisation that found the veil would be really interesting

[slim girder]

Considering what happened to them it might be a pretty grim game

[undone mesa]

this is true

it was like a death cult

[slim girder]

A lot of people died because of the veil and trying to study it

[trim grotto]

A dult

[undone mesa]

if the traveler were a "being" from a higher dimension, that could be a part of D3. the traveler takes us from the first civilisation all the way to our revival in D1

we don't know if the Speaker was ever really "speaking" with the traveler or if he was really more of a light-priest

[trim grotto]

He spoke for it. Received crackling static visions that the Mask helped parse into cryptic messaging.

The Speakers of the Golden Age, though, actually heard its words.

[undone mesa]

that's right

wasn't osiris in training?

as the next speaker

[trim grotto]

No.

[undone mesa]

ok

[trim grotto]

I wouldn't focus too much on the higher dimension idea, by the way. The Traveler is fallible, in many ways. It is as much a part of the universe as we are. It's one of the few things I would willingly refer to Unveiling for.

[undone mesa]

got it

was the speaker himself a lightbearer like guardians? i remember him not having a ghost but i'm not 100% sure

[trim grotto]

Nah

Just an Old Man™

[undone mesa]

alright

thanks

[slim girder]

Speakers only "power" is being able to hear the traveler. Though it's very important to make the distinction that the traveler doesn't speak to them directly, a speaker can just hear its calls.
Ghosts also seemed to follow speakers around in droves

[undone mesa]

i wonder if that's the mask or something the speaker is trained to do

[slim girder]

The mask helps

But more as a way to amplify it.

[undone mesa]

i need the grimoires

[trim grotto]

Given that he's been around since before the foundation of the City I reckon he's also got abnormally extended lifespan thanks to it too
Because realistically he's the only concrete example of a long lived modern mortal human apart from exceptions like Eris Morn

[slim girder]

Could it be possible he might be awoken? I don't think we ever got an answer to what he actually is?

[ember storm]

He’s old™

[trim grotto]

The timing in Constellations suggests to me he's human but I don't have time to browse since I'm at work

[dim minnow]

something I was thinking for D3 was that you start at the character creation for your Guardian (aka the Weapon) and you start the game as them. You have all your abilities and strong weapons and you're just wrecking everything. However, you get killed at the end and you are brought back to the character creation again. Only this time, you start off as a New Light once again. The campaign then continues as our new Guardian proves themselves to take up the role of the new Weapon. Maybe our old Ghost survives and helps our new Ghost guide us along the way.

[dapper kayak]

eris was a hunter no?

[sharp flame]

Another thought, if we are in a distant solar system, we may be against factions of eliksni or whatever they were before the traveler gave them a golden age. Or hive, vex etc that don't know how strong a guardian is

We lose our fear factor, while trying to establish ourselves, and out there, there may be dredgens, so we are fighting enemies that don't know our strength so they will attack ruthlessly, and dredgens that may stumble upon us, the og dredgens not the loser from renegades. (Sorry that's an opinion, he was wimpy, like kylo, anyways) I think that would be a sick foundation for a game like Destiny. Instead of going to the distant past, or far future, start with an exodus, and then a story that unfolds like it did long time past. As history repeats itself. But this time. We know what the travelers enemy is, and are preparing, or, chasing it back to its roots
((Just thoughts from a hopeful author that loved destiny as I was introduced to it by my brother during taken king when I was like 8, (was during d2 being out) then brought me to d2 during forsaken (I'm 18 now) ))

[trim grotto]

Correct

[jagged badge]

Yeah proud Hunter main here

Oh the other Eris

[slim girder]

Might be a hot take but i actually don't mind staying in or near SoL. Like idk but i feel if it was something like us crossing the milky way it'd just lose it's charm

The many moons and planets just outside of Sol though i think would be great for stories

[dim minnow]

I'm pretty sure there were confirmed to be some Golden Age outposts outside of Sol

[river surge]

When you realise Clovis made immortality possible long before The Traveler

Thats just a crazy feat tbh

[jagged badge]

How do you mean before the Traveler?

[river surge]

Before guardians you had Clovis

[jagged badge]

Remember that Clovis was influenced into discovering how to make Exos work because of the Darkness though tbf

So he could only do it due to paracausal forces

[river surge]

Still insane how he managed to do it

The Witness had that luck to find a crazy scientist and influence him to crate humanitys “salvation” immortality

[slim girder]

Clovis never saw it that way. He literally has a god complex and while it may be true immortality might have been reached in a way it came at the cost of exos experiencing something arguably worse than death if their mind rejected the new body

[dim minnow]

Exos weren't exactly perfect

meanwhile, the Aionians figured out immortality on their own

[lucid oyster]

This would genuinely be so cool

[river surge]

Number 1 is the best

Like best scenario OAT

[river belfry]

Btw, do we know how shaxx looks below the mask?

[river belfry]

1.5. They said it was all maya's illusion
5. They picked up after earth falls due to not finding how to bind the 9

[bright hearth]

6. They Redo EOF and Renegades, (Making the latter entirely D2 focused, exeption could be the praxic blades) and move from there.

Emphasise Bael being a dredgen more, and lean into the syndicates for the story.

[bright hearth]

"The helmet stayed on" Not even Queen Mara knows. We don't even know what RACE he is.

[versed orbit]

He’s human

[jagged badge]

Yeah we know he’s human but that’s it

There were theories he is Shakespeare reincarnated but I don’t exactly fuck with them

[river surge]

He is the CIA of Destiny

[raw hazel]

Bare minimum redo/retcon Renegades

[river surge]

Retcon everything till the end of TFS

Simple as that

After The Witness we are safe

[bright hearth]

I'd keep Herasy, personally. Redo Echos and Revenant's stories, make them fit better.

[river surge]

The echoes started the Fate Saga

Especially with Maya and the introduction of The Conductor

[bright hearth]

Only sorta.

They could make it so that Maya is irrelevant post Ep Echos

[river surge]

In Echoes we learn that Maya Sundaresh is now The Conductor which will kill III in the future

In Revenant nothing happens whatsoever

[bright hearth]

Or ditch the Fate saga and go for a Vex saga.

[river surge]

In Heresy Lord of Every Nothing is introduced crucial for Fate Saga

[river surge]

From the leaks apparently Shattered Cycle was meant to be a Vex expansion

Where Maya Sundaresh was going to die

But that dosent matter anymore since its all gone

It will never ever happen

[bright hearth]

LEMME SHOOT THE BITCH AGAIN I KILLED HER ONCE AS LAKSHMI

ahem

Mb.

[river surge]

Well her death was more than confirmed

But one thing that should be noted is that Old Chicago was going to be part of Destiny story

Which again will never happen

Which is sad

The Alchemist was based around VI (confirmed)

Idk what was the plan for it

But I would imagine we would bind VI to a mortal so that way he no longer can influence bad stuff around Sol

Like he did in Renegades

Also idk what was the plan for Bael or Lume

But I think in Shadow and Order we wouldve killed Lume and Bael wouldve died in The Alchemist or even be the one who wouldve bound VI now idk its all theories

[wary kite]

Do the Taken even actually die or get destroyed?
Or do they just get sucked back into the ascendant plane and reform?

[river surge]

They go back to the ascendant plane and they get reformed

[dapper kayak]

yeah, iirc to fully kill them you have to do wierd ascendant plane bullshittery

[river surge]

I am not familiar with the ascendant plane lore

But in the material plane you basically kill the body while the soul remains in ascendant plane reforming

Ready to fight again

Its complicated you can ask a lore expert if one is here rn

[ember storm]

It just depends tbh

[glass snow]

Never say never, maybe it’ll be the beginning of the D3 game kicking off the Vex storyline

[river surge]

We were so close to that vex storyline and expansion yet they just ended it

[glass snow]

In the end, D2 became an unstable mess just like it did before Beyond Light - and was not nearly as profitable enough to justify more content

The real shame is that it ended on Renegades rather than a final large update after Final Shape

If anything the content being developed for Shattered Cycle is better off being utilized in a potential D3

I’d rather they ended it now than risk anything else going into the DCV

[wary kite]

cool

so the Taken cannot be stopped

[slim girder]

They can be. But it a huge amount of work because anything that can create taken is immensely powerful.
Oryx, the witness, the winnower, quria and the Lord of every nothing

[shy remnant]

Who is the biggest fraud in all destiny history

[slim girder]

Toland prolly

[wary kite]

bungie

[shy remnant]

Wasn’t his throne world like a little patch of ground

[slim girder]

Yes. More like a throne dumpster in the sea of screams

[shy remnant]

sword logic larper

[queen swallow]

Bael

[queen walrus]

tfw no future owl sector lore

[runic widget]

This is wayy worse than it was before beyond light, but for different technical reasons.
Also, destiny 2 before beyond light was actually fun

[glass snow]

No classic server, and no real attempts to permanently bring back vaulted content

except for bringing it back temporarily in seasons which seems to be what they ultimately meant when they said they’d bring it back

Now what we got is D1 raids in both games, and original D2 raids fully lost

[ember storm]

Meme answer, Shaw Han

He gaslit the community into coping that he was an ahamkara killer and that the new light story just painted him in a bad light

But no he’s an actual fraud he bought the bones and great hunt legs from a street vendor

Real answer tbh would be Rhulk

[shy remnant]

WHA

[ember storm]

Sure he has good physical feats but that’s literally it, he’s a self proclaimed reddit intellectual who basically saw himself as the second coming

He’s like Andrew (the nephew of Andross) from Star Fox

Didn’t have the cognitive capacity to realize he was sent on permanent timeout to train his replacement disciple Savathun

[shy remnant]

I can see you could call him fraudulent for getting beaten despite being first disciple but dude is ripping the ribs out of leviathans

[ember storm]

One rib singular

And like wow he beat up the fat caterpillar from bugs life

That’s so cool hey who told him to do that by the letter

[shy remnant]

Also has the mother of all worms bro

[ember storm]

And who told him to do that

Who devised the entire plan for the hive to get their worms

[shy remnant]

are we frauds because the vanguard tells us to do things

[ember storm]

The one thing Rhulk did completely by himself was fuck up trying to copy the same process for a different civilization and accidentally got them to kill themselves

[shy remnant]

We get ordered around plenty

[ember storm]

no because we actually do things on our own properly lol

[shy remnant]

Out of the two of disciples I would not pick rhulk as the most fraudulent at least he was alive

[ember storm]

We also don’t hole ourselves up in a trailer filled with fake art deco shit gassing ourselves up all day

Nezarec has a dad bod he’s cool

[shy remnant]

bro literally got turned into tea

[ember storm]

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[ember storm]

Yeah he had a lasting impact on the narrative

[shy remnant]

fat

[ember storm]

Rhulk’s last narrative impact was like some random human smuggler taking a dna sample and then dying in a sparrow crash

[shy remnant]

We can all agree Savathun is the best destiny villian though.

[ember storm]

I wish the campaign did her more justice

Bungie tried going with the big mystery angle but couldn’t work out more than one compelling reveal so they just dumbed everyone down to make it work

Like yeah I’m totally convinced Ikora would just not tell Zavala we discovered a means of viewing Savvy’s memories through darkness like ok

[shy remnant]

idk the vanguard aside from cayde have always been written oddly

[ember storm]

Fynch knowing full well that his general Immaru is called the first ghost and never mentions him once when we’re trying to figure out how savvy got the light

Good job team

[shy remnant]

the fact he’s only speaking in patrol is crazy

[ember storm]

Don’t even need to change the campaign for that one just MENTION HIM BY NAME ONCE

AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE HE’S INACCESSIBLE AS A LEAD SO WE LOOK ELSEWHERE LIKE SAGIRA’S SHELL

it’s genuinely moronic they just never mentioned him at all in the story

[shy remnant]

Immarus whole character is just in seasonal jail too

[ember storm]

Also kinda nitpicky but like

Anyone who read the books of sorrow could tell the hive were lied to

Ikora can you read beyond a 5th grade level

The worm god calling itself THE HONEST WORM repeatedly saying all he wants is to help

Yeah no that raises zero red flags we take it at face value

[shy remnant]

lol people in real life think that’s a retcon they fall for the hive propaganda

[ember storm]

hey guys I’m the honest worm

I have your best interest at heart because I am honest

[shy remnant]

honest(TRUE)

[ember storm]

Ignore the fact the worm were using to speak to you basically drove your father to early dementia

I’m honest

[shy remnant]

Fact checked by a true dark disciple

[ember storm]

This message was made possible by a grant from the evil ass darkness pyramid and viewers like you

[ember storm]

At least Cayde’s worst moment was in a non canon teaser trailer

Zavala’s worst moment is ironically from a campaign that’s supposed to paint him badly even though he’s being completely normal and reasonable

[raw hazel]

is it the warmind door?

[ember storm]

Like yeah we should put all our faith into Rasputin who routinely atomized guardians for trying to speak to him

[ember storm]

That part was funny though

[raw hazel]

TRUE

like how did bro get there??

[ember storm]

Ending the campaign with Rasputin going I AM ABOVE ALL I SURVEY and then just like

[shy remnant]

Titans can blink

[ember storm]

“We got this” thanks Ana

Then he does nothing for like four years

Zavala was right we shoulda just like shot him

[shy remnant]

Rasputin is actually kinda fraudulent now that I think about it

[ember storm]

He did kill a LOT of people

Like a lot

Ran away and hid from the darkness

Gaslit the fanbase into thinking he shot the traveler

[shy remnant]

What does he even do to help humanity aside from his big sacrifice moment

[ember storm]

Finally manned up and tried fighting the pyramids

Lost

Got stuck in a box for years

Finally got out back together and then decided he had to kill himself

That’s my guardian angel right there

[shy remnant]

At least he uhhh gave us felwinters lie I guess

[ember storm]

it all went downhill when we lost Warmind cells

[shy remnant]

True

[ember storm]

Honorable mention goes to Ana saying “oh shhhhhanks” unironically

And also claiming that hive magic is just science we don’t understand yet

You wanna explain the science of Eris having a hive eye where her frontal lobe should be or

[shy remnant]

Ana was always kind of just badly written I don’t think I’ve ever liked her

[ember storm]

i remember she got recast at one point and i honestly dont know when

[undone mesa]

i always thought eris' connection to the hive would be explained whenever we got to Xivu

but that's not happening

so

[jagged badge]

I want to say Worthy but I could be mistaken

[jagged badge]

What do you mean?

That’s already very well documented lore no?

[river surge]

Why was The Witness so strong if they are just humans combined in a single being made out of Darkness

Like I dont get it

How were humans capable of becoming such a paracausal force using The Veil

Cause we guardians cant do what The Witness could

And we are the same as them

[dim minnow]

the Witness precursors are not humans, they are an alien species

now, as for how they were able to become the Witness, their civilization was highly advanced

[river surge]

They were like us based on what Ahsa told us

[dim minnow]

probably the most advanced in the lore

[dim minnow]

I don't think she meant like that

regardless, their ability to become the Witness came from their advanced tehcnology and understanding of Paracausality

[river surge]

Even if they were aliens theres still a doubt of them being capable of such powers, also they became insanely advanced after The Traveler

not before

They had it for eons

[dim minnow]

a lot longer than we ever did

[river surge]

But we were never told that they had what a Guardian has

basically they were featless in terms of powers but really advanced generally

[dim minnow]

also something worth noting, the Witness itself may have been made from the combined consciousness of the entire precursor species, but the Witness itself is technically a separate entity from those precursors

[river surge]

Yeah idk how that even works but its Destiny

[dim minnow]

think of how the precursors all grew to resent the Witness

[river surge]

They really didnt explore the precursors so well at all

They had The Traveler for the longest in the lore and they were barely explored off of it

I get it

[dim minnow]

really I think a lot of what made the Witness so powerful was the technology they developed

[river surge]

The lore of the Witness species is lost

cause think about it

[dim minnow]

and the sheer knowledge they possessed

[river surge]

it is billions and billions years old

its lost nobody knows

[dim minnow]

it practically had a monopoly on Darkness

[river surge]

They had the Light

think abt that

[dim minnow]

it was not a Lightbearer

not in the way we were

[river surge]

Not a lightbearer but they had the light in the terms that they understood what it means

but then they discovered Darkness

[dim minnow]

but they still needed to hold the Traveler down to enact the Final Shape

[river surge]

I wish they explored more of them

Precursors are by far the most mysterious and the best species in Destiny personally

even better than the Hive

or The Vex

[dim minnow]

we kinda know enough about the Precursors

anything else would be supplementary

[river surge]

Which is a good addition to the lore

especially The Witness

[slow berry]

I wonder if the corruption stuff would've had real lore reasoning

[shrewd ravine]

did Rhulk and nezarec ever interact?

[river surge]

Definitely

More than definitely

I think at some point there might have been even a rivalry

[shrewd ravine]

Isn’t Rhulk like, way stronger physically? I don’t think Nezarec was ever destroying planets and stuff like Rhulk

[river surge]

Rhulk was canonically stronger than Nezarec

And it was proven

Rhulk in canon is the 2nd strongest being besides The Witness that we have ever faced

Ever

[shrewd ravine]

I wanna know about the rivalry

[river surge]

This is just my assumption

The Witness always lied abt the Final Shape to them

They were basically clueless

Also Rhulk was a massive Witness liker

When The Witness scolded him he was pissed asf

• Nezarec was tasked with the final assault on Earth

Basically The Collapse

So there was some king of rivalry between them

Also theres something in lore that suggest the disciples were working together but on different aspects

Kinda like Ghostfaces from movie Scream

[shrewd ravine]

Ooh

[river surge]

Also I think Rhulk even gifted Nezarec his glaive at some point

If I remember correctly

Might be tweaking

[shrewd ravine]

Oh is that why so many people fear him lmao

[river surge]

Nezarec cult was formed before the modern eras

Theres a lore entry suggesting that people from ancient times were praying to him giving him power

[shrewd ravine]

Sorta unrelated- but what are tormentors? How do they relate to him.

[river surge]

Tormentors are well

Dreds

[blazing wasp]

well they predate subjugators since they were made when it entered the pale heart, no?

Calus was maybe involved.

[river surge]

I think yeah

Yeah thats right

Wait

Was it invert

[shrewd ravine]

?? So nezarec is his own thing

[river surge]

Yeah

Subjugators and tormentors were created from Rhulk and Nezarec body ideas

Thats why they look so similar

Rhulk was a subjugator (hence why they are subjugators)

Nezarec was a tormentor (hence why they are called tormentors)

The Witness basically had no inspiration at all

So he was like “I miss my buddies lemme make some dreads looking like them”

[shrewd ravine]

Oh my god

I’m so stupid I can’t believe I didn’t make these connections lmao

[shrewd ravine]

Hypocrite, loser, no creativity

This guys a bum

[river surge]

He had crazy ideas for The Final Shape but we stopped him

I got so mad seeing that he dissected that poor horse during SE repository encounter

Fucking idiot

[shrewd ravine]

All of his disciples are cooler

[river surge]

Exactly

[shrewd ravine]

I don’t know why I ever expected a nezarec comeback in Revenant, it wouldn’t make sense atp

[slow berry]

Horses represent divinity and otherworldliness, so its kinda like the witness saying "this too will be reshaped"

There's also a horse in iconoclasm

[queen swallow]

🐴

[slow berry]

Importantly, tied to Starhorse and the Nine, if you wanna take that seriously

[river surge]

Ye

[bright hearth]

[slow berry]

Also you'd hate marathon

cow,,,,

[jagged badge]

Woah what did you just call them?

[shy remnant]

Anyone think patrol distortions seem brought over from shattered cycle considering all the stuff that was happening to earth

[queen swallow]

More than likely

[shy remnant]

sad it looks really cool it probably had a lot of story implications considering it’s happening throughout sol

[slow berry]

galaxy pools,,,,,

its totally the galaxy pools,,,,

[queen swallow]

It could have also just been planned as the "seasonal story" precursor to Shattered Throne

[shy remnant]

Shattered throne

[queen swallow]

[shy remnant]

distortions on earth were cause by earth dying so does that mean a lot of the nine were gonna die in shattered cycle hmmm

[queen swallow]

III is already dead so that's probably a cause of it

But it's also happening on the rest of the destinations, including ones that are not part of the Nine and ignoring ones that are

[shy remnant]

Maybe six just offs some members and then says fuck Savathun and the awoken in particular

Dreaming city is double cursed

[queen swallow]

I don't think the Nine have the strength to kill each other, or it would've happened long ago

Or, at least, not the strength in an area that could kill them

[shy remnant]

Well obviously not six himself but through other means or something

[queen swallow]

Maya killed III by bringing them into the third dimension and none of the Nine have that capability

[shy remnant]

I was imagining some bael shenanigans or some crazy tech in Chicago

Idk no point in theorizing about it now though

[slow berry]

Ultimately the Nine are too close to eant to kill eachother i think

[shy remnant]

Like close as in relationship or close metaphysically

Cause I can see six just killing a member out of desperation or passion and it be like a big story moment

[queen swallow]

Neither, I just don't think they have the power in the right area to do much of anything to each other

[shy remnant]

Yeah again I was thinking like indirect murder through one of his agents but killing one of the nine is easier said than done without massive paracasual power in your arsenal

oh well it’s not like we’ll ever see it

[slow berry]

They're family ultimately

They still mourn Theia and they mourn III

Some more strongly than others (IV), but I don't think they'd outright kill one another unless it was a Big Fucking Deal

Something like it being a way to get a body or smth

[shy remnant]

I’d imagine whatever would be going on in the next expansion would be that Big Fucking Deal

[river surge]

VI

TLoEN

.

[ember storm]

Waltz

[blazing wasp]

Wall

[slow berry]

I would simply find it more likely to IV to somehow kill VI in an attempt to protect us

Right now IV is the only member of the Nine that has motives beyond escaping their limitations

Besides IX being a neutral-ish party

[blazing wasp]

even the outer orbits think VI is out of line

[slow berry]

Alternatively, for VII to kill IX somehow

Which absorb it perhaps.

Or maybe use VIII for it

Which would make VI afraid of VII

[shy remnant]

I need to brush up on my Roman numerals

[slow berry]

Yeah I think VI is significantly more likely to be killed than to kill another member of the Nine

Monumental levels of fucking around

[shy remnant]

It would be pretty funny for VI to be turned upon by all other members. Maybe that’s how the saga would’ve ended

[fringe sundial]

why was VI scared of VII

cause VII VIII IX

[river surge]

VI aint scared of anyone

He probably thinks he is the strongest

He even stole techniques from The Lord of Every Nothing on how to take

He aint scared bro is ready to do anything for that dominance

[slim girder]

VI can't take?

[river surge]

What

Fuck

Ur ritht

I forgot something important

[slim girder]

The nine aren't paracausal. They can influence time in a way that can rival paracausality but are still tied to the rules of the universe and physics

[river surge]

I forgot The Nine are frauds within our dimension

[slim girder]

Their best counter to us is throwing things like trains at people. Or the most recent example influencing people like Bael into destroying the traveler

[river surge]

The fact that the possibility of The Traveler being destroyed makes me realise how vulnerable we are

a single mistake within our dominion in Sol and we could lose everything

cause if The Traveler is destroyed

Our Light fades away....

However

Theres a contract

[blazing wasp]

the traveller is supposedly quite resilient

could probably survive Loki's crown

[river surge]

What I mean by a contract well I think Bungie made it that The Traveler has infinite plot armor no matter what happens it wont be destroyed

[river surge]

Can u imagine that chase that she had for billions and billions of years prior to Sol

running away from The Witness for sooo long

she is super resilient

Actually makes me think if the warsats were ACTUALLY capable of destroying it

[bright hearth]

If Nightfall station wasn't a one off enemy tool, it'd be interesting to see if the Traveller or any of the pyramids could tank a blast from it

[river surge]

About Nightfall station

we know eclipse is anti paracausality

it nullifies it

completely

I wonder how it will work against black fleet ship or even a paracausal object

[bright hearth]

It CAN nullify it, it could also theoretically increase its potency to insane levels

[river surge]

But does it have the power to destroy it

[bright hearth]

Hmm... maybe?

It killed a shit ton of ghosts.

[blazing wasp]

probably not

[river surge]

Thats the issue

[bright hearth]

And their guardians.

[river surge]

It has no destructive capabilities

it only kills upon contact

theres no big blast or anything

upon the blast landing it spreads like a poison

I think it will eventually fry everything upon contact with a pyramid vessel

[bright hearth]

Say Nightfall was still operating, if it had a clear shot right through the portal to the pale heart, would it destroy the traveller from the inside out?

[river surge]

Again we dont know the full extent to what it can do

[slim girder]

If eclipse hit the traveler I would have to assume it would look similar to how it did in contact with guardians.
The traveler wouldn't physically be destroyed but it light would drain from it and it'd probably just be a giant husk

[river surge]

In the cutscene

we literally saw it dissect the Traveler in half

[hard sigil]

visions are visions

[slim girder]

That was a vision though

[hard sigil]

the test fire didn't actually do anything to matter

[river surge]

I think it wouldve happend the same since its a paracausal celestial body afterall

it fries thorugh it

through

[bright hearth]

There could be a difference between what the IX want to happen VS what would. Actually happen.

[slim girder]

If it was a real death beam then when it hit tharsis it would have left a crater of the place

[hard sigil]

most likely because it's just dark matter being used as a vehicle for anti-paracausal energy

[river surge]

Thats exactly what I said

it has no destructive capabilities upon contact with anything it just works as a poison upon landing meaning

it only kills paracausal things

[hard sigil]

at most I could see it maybe making the traveller drop out of the sky

[river surge]

I just simply see the scenario hitting The Traveler as a death beam that basically pierces through it

leaving a massive hole in it

[bright hearth]

It's interesting, because technically, as it stands, the Traveller is weakened, yes?

[river surge]

Currently yes

its still bleeding

[hard sigil]

I can't remember if they said the portal was healing or not

[bright hearth]

I think that if it were to take an Eclipse blast now, it wouldn't stand a chance, but if it were healed, and the pale heart sealed, it would shake it off.

[river surge]

it is healing but really slowly

but as of rn its bleeding that paracausal aurora

radiation or whatever it is

[bright hearth]

Which we don't know the effects of

[hard sigil]

the effects are that it's very pretty

[river surge]

The Traveler would flee upon contact

Probably for good

leaving Sol forever

xd

[river surge]

Yeah thats right

[bright hearth]

Unless Savathûn dragged it back, which I wouldn't put past her.

[river surge]

Savathun was seen capable of moving mass objects

she even moved The Veill

[bright hearth]

She literally nearly stole the Traveller in Witch Queen

If it ran, she'd drag it back.

[river surge]

She was right tho

[bright hearth]

Not saying she wasn't

[river surge]

The Witness was coming

[bright hearth]

I do think the Witness would have broken through her defences as well.

[river surge]

Rhulk failed miserabely

and he even got stuck

in his pyramid

while trying to do shit in that throne world

[bright hearth]

Hm.. toché

[river surge]

he wanted to nuke it with The Upended

That wouldve meant absolute finality for both him and Savathun

[bright hearth]

Suppose the question then is how much stronger the Witness is in comparison

[trim grotto]

Given that Savathun had the power of both the Wellspring and - theoretically - the entire Traveler, I think she could have kept herself safe.

The Wellspring nearly enclosed the Throne World as it was, with only Scorn warbands making it through.

But it also would have been a bubble amongst

well, a dead universe, potentially

[river surge]

Imagine the difference between Ikora and the weakest lightbearer

[bright hearth]

Yeah that checks.

Ikora be like

[lucid saffron]

Is Zavala the worst Guardian? Yes or No and please give me your explanation.

[raw hazel]

No, because Shaw Han exists

[lucid saffron]

Oh nah Facts

[lucid saffron]

CAYDE IS MY GOAT DOE

[blazing wasp]

with the light? He was one of the better guardians

You can be relatively confident that named guardians are strong

[river surge]

No, he earned that title for the Commander for a reason

also as a guardian

he literally could do what Saint-14 can

(Saint-14 canonically stated the best titan there ever is)

[ember storm]

He used his teleportation magic once in Warmind and never again, clearly nerfed

[trim grotto]

Is that... Connected to what Bo said?

[dim minnow]

Goat doe?
No, he can't be two different animals at once.

[slow berry]

the humble raccoon dog: