📚lore-discussion

[swift spade]

Totally 100% accurate

Definitely accurate

[crude frigate]

Fun fact Ghosts revive guardian’s which is how guardians are able to not die 👍

[sick yew]

What

I dont believe that

[crude frigate]

Yeah I know crazy right

[sick yew]

Also imma pull a 🤓
But technically guardians do die
They just get revived which still means they were technically dead for a certain timeframe

[crude frigate]

Oh you just out fact my fun fact 😃 yes you are correct

[sick yew]

[jagged badge]

Source?

[crude frigate]

@sick yew told me in my sleep

[ember storm]

Not technically clones

Subjugators and Tormentors specifically are just using the genetic blueprints of Rhulk and Nezarec

they’re genetically engineered, yeah, but they’re not literally all 1:1 with the originals

[lofty badge]

basicly two new entire speices made from the genetic blueprints of both?

[ember storm]

Genetically speaking they’re still all Lubraen and [whatever the fuck Nez is, your guess is as good as any]

they’re just not meant to literally be copies of the original individuals

they’re built for different purposes and mass-produced

the flying ones I don’t really know, I feel like they’re just members of the actual species

I don’t think the witness would specifically catalog the genetic material of only one civilization for use as dreads

the Psions are just Psions, there’s not really much to say about them

I don’t think it’s ever directly mentioned, but I’m 99% sure Husks are hive

[lofty badge]

husks do look hive, even witht he flying thing looking like a heavly changed worm larva

[ember storm]

I’m pretty sure they have the acolyte grenade animation

[lofty badge]

i think so

the Psions seems the least change out of the dread too

meanwhile the grim look like they were fused with Pyramid tech on a microscopic level

[small quartz]

I heard Eris became a hive god?

[lofty badge]

yeah last year

then she became human again

[small quartz]

whys she still on the moon

Ohhhh

[lofty badge]

cause the moon needs a vendor

[small quartz]

also theoretically can't cayde live on in our ghost? somehow?

[lofty badge]

no

he back in traveler afterlife

[small quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

of him coming back

[lofty badge]

no

let him rest

[small quartz]

fair

[lofty badge]

he already helped us defeat the witness and bungie did that in a good way, one final adventure

[small quartz]

oh also

Correct me if im wrong

Micah helped Cayde create the concept of a son (Ace) to anchor his mind with each reset

right

[jagged badge]

That’s a theory

Well

You’ve sorta misinterpreted it a little I think

[small quartz]

?

[jagged badge]

I’m not actually all that sure if Cayde had a son or not tbh

But, the idea of the theory is that bits and pieces of Cayde’s memories of hanging out with Micah on Europa ended up influencing Cayde’s idea of a kid

[blazing wasp]

The existence of ace isn't known

[jagged badge]

I’ll have to get Mael to weigh in when he’s on

[small quartz]

id like to believe that

also whys Micah such a legend?

in lore?

[blazing wasp]

They're a speaker

[small quartz]

oh shit

[blazing wasp]

Or, someone capable of receiving visions from the traveler

[sleek matrix]

Yea they can interpret the traveler very well

[small quartz]

🔥

[blazing wasp]

Yeah not just a speaker but a really really damn good one

[sleek matrix]

Mistraks can also do abit too

[small quartz]

so whys Micah not in the heart

like everyone else

[blazing wasp]

Iirc she is.

[small quartz]

oh

[blazing wasp]

Mara did say she brought her

[small quartz]

huh odd

[jagged badge]

She’s a well known Hunter, also known as the Den-mother of Ghosts, shepherding around and helping unpaired Ghosts to find their Guardians

[blazing wasp]

She's also among the six coyotes

[small quartz]

oh I got that

piece

[blazing wasp]

She's basically a anime protagonist come to think of it

But like

A well written way

[lofty badge]

did she shepared any of the guardianless ghosts that joined the hive?

🤔

[jagged badge]

Yes actually

There’s an interaction between Micah and Luzaku where Micah recognises Euloch’s name - Luzaku’s Ghost ofc

[lofty badge]

oh boy...

[jagged badge]

Lemme see if I can find it

https://youtu.be/_UzMkAHv19E?si=mqDU10h64DyNmfXJ

[lapis thistle]

The lore of Micah 10 is great

And actually is possible that she was Cayde 6 daughter

[jagged badge]

No

We know who Micah’s parents are

Hector and Wesley Abram

Cayde and Micah just hung out since her parents were busy working on the Exo project

[lapis thistle]

Isn’t that a possibility

Hoo if soo mb

[candid inlet]

t7tempest (ID 620962979491479562)

[Message Link](#📚lore-discussion message) to #📚lore-discussion
But, the idea of the theory is that bits and pieces of Cayde’s memories of hanging out with Micah on Europa ended up influencing Cayde’s idea of a kid

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[lapis thistle]

So how did she turned a eco?

Exo

[jagged badge]

Not sure exactly why but she entered the program when she was 17

[inner drift]

Isn’t she trans? I remember reading that somewhere

[jagged badge]

Yep

[inner drift]

Hell yeah 🏳️‍⚧️

:)

[jagged badge]

[empty fern]

Wait wtf

Different eris pfp

[inner drift]

Also I was super excited when we got to see them because they had been mentioned a ton in lore books and other entries

[jagged badge]

Yea

[inner drift]

I love it when bungie gives us characters from stuff like that

[inner drift]

Wait do you have a Signalis pfp?

[empty fern]

Check off topic for a sec

[inner drift]

[patent lichen]

@raw cape

[raw cape]

Nice. Sounds interesting

[scarlet temple]

Is Nezerac still alive?

[blazing wasp]

His influence is probably still present

As it was when he was dead

[cinder geode]

So the pyramid ships are alive?

[blazing wasp]

They're... Somewhat sentient

We don't know the extent

[cinder geode]

We know nezarec's is, from the ghost missions. Our ghost said its longing for a master again

[raw cape]

Wonder who will usurp control of the black fleet with witness gone

[molten briar]

What exactly happened to The Witness people when merging? Did they really rip apart?

I always thought that’s what those crystal statues were in the ships

[molten briar]

Well each ship has a veiled statue which I imagine is what is the sentience inside it

[scarlet temple]

I think they were deconstructed and reformed possibly

Not sure exactly how

[molten briar]

I’ve read somewhere it was a brutal process maybe it was explained in lore

[ember storm]

It was shown in an inkblot cutscene, but also we’re shown that the process for willing participants was a lot more anticlimactic or violent

Assuming it wasn’t just some weird artistic expression, the piles of dismembered bodies were probably those who didn’t want to be part of the witness

[lapis thistle]

I love Micah 10 lore

[simple steeple]

What do you guys know about felwinter

I know he has the shotgun and he technically used two exotics and that bit

But

I need to know more about his loadout and maybe what he looked like

I suppose it’s possible he used swarm of the raven

[broken relic]

He was a special Exo and he used Dawnblade

[simple steeple]

I thought he was a void warlock

Or is that just cause he used blink maybe I thought that

[broken relic]

Nothing saying he wasn’t both

[scarlet temple]

The exo ironlord that blew up because of siva & jolder right?

[simple steeple]

Yeah

He was Rasputin’s son basically

From my knowledge

I’m trying to find as much lore on him as possible for my felwinter recreation build

[lapis thistle]

Ye you are right

Felwinter was like the frist exo that Rasputin created I think if I’m not wrong abt my lore

[simple steeple]

Yeah something like that

[scarlet temple]

Who's this guy again

[simple steeple]

Iron lord

Titan I think

Uh

So

Not jolder I don’t think

Radegast then

Would have to be

[simple steeple]

^

[dim minnow]

this guy is the model used for the possessed Iron Lord bodies we fought at the end of the Rise of Iron campaign

there were three of them total

Felwinter, Gheleon, and Jolder

I'm pretty sure all of them used the same model, so who knows which of the three it is

@scarlet temple

[scarlet temple]

Oh

I see

[jagged badge]

I’m ngl I’ve alway thought it looks like a kinda goofy execution of such a grim concept

I know age rating and such but

[simple steeple]

Ah well I figured the Titan class item plus the masculine stature could only mean it’s the other Titan besides saladin

[dim minnow]

Radeghast and Saladin aren't the only Titans of the Iron Lords

Jolder was one too

[simple steeple]

Yeah but as I said

The body type looks masculine

And jolder is a woman

[dim minnow]

gameplay wise, they're used for all three possessed Iron Lords

[empty fern]

Rise of iron mentioned, must send

[simple steeple]

I should play d1

I never played it outside of the tower basically

[empty fern]

Well, good luck getting a team for any strike

[compact sky]

what accent does Rhulk have

[dim minnow]

his own?

[sleek matrix]

hes the last of his species

since he wiped out his entire ppl

[stark fjord]

This was probably mentioned a lot

But

U know how savathun was possessing Osiris

And saint and Osiris are like married

Did saint technically kiss savathun?

[trim grotto]

No, because Savasiris was being extremely cold and ignoring Saint, making Saint very sad and lonely and confused.

[stark fjord]

Oh thank god

The last thing we need is a osmium-exo hybrid

[stark fjord]

Why do u find it necessary to traumatise me 😭

Ily but I also fear I

[dim minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119631192816357526/1158678948822138940/soreall.gif?ex=651d1f5c&is=651bcddc&hm=02ada982c1a086b8e76cb6eb479d5e0170c0e159838205f10d16f778e0ec68b6&

[blazing wasp]

:(

[willow dagger]

[dire maple]

Well since I wanna know. Is Eris morn the strongest Hunter ever

[small quartz]

... Vex Milk??

[stark fjord]

What’s the lifecycle of hive again

Thrall acolyte knight wizard ogre?

Or is it like

Thrall to ogre
Acolyte to knight or wizard

[willow dagger]

Why would she be?

[trim grotto]

Ogres are artificially created through magic and torture.
Thrall to Acolyte to Knight/Wizard

[trim grotto]

No. Also, she has no Light.
She is, however, extremely capable.

[trim grotto]

What about it?

[small quartz]

Just curious

[trim grotto]

About what? Such as, what it is?

[small quartz]

yes

[trim grotto]

Vex Milk is a common term that refers to Vex Radiolarian Fluid, a substance which is mostly well known for, and named because of, carrying the Vex Radiolaria themselves. Vex Radiolaria are the original bodies of the Vex, microbial lifeforms that developed and evolved into what you know them as today.

[stark fjord]

Yeh but it’s weaker now that’s she has no ghost

Like there have some level of paracausality but not the same level as when they did have a ghost it’s like a sliver

[trim grotto]

What's weaker? I'm not sure what you're replying to.

[small quartz]

so

goofy name

sick lore

[stark fjord]

The light for a ghostless guardian

[stark fjord]

Yah if u drink it, it can essentially reprogram ur cells and turn u vex

Basically eating u from the inside out converting u

But that’s if

They find u valuable

Most of the time they would just leave u to die

If u look at the exodus black there’s a lot of corpses there

I think only a small handful got converted like the previous captain

[small quartz]

So, yum

[dire maple]

Who else would it be

I see wiki says that it's ana bray but why would that be

[blazing wasp]

The wiki isn't reliable

We don't really have enough information to truly determine a strongest hunter

[dire maple]

But every hunter seem so weak. Even Cayde just seem way more weaker than our guardian

Except Eris morn. She is the only hunter who seem "godlike"

[blazing wasp]

She doesn't even have the light

If she dies, game over

We simply don't have enough information to go off on

[dire maple]

Yet she became a god

[blazing wasp]

Through ritual practices only done because we trust eris

It wasn't because she is strong

Eris isn't valued for her strength

[dire maple]

How do you know these rituals take 0 strength

[blazing wasp]

I didn't say so

[dire maple]

Like resistance or sum

Or mental capability

Etc

[blazing wasp]

Also by this exact logic

We can argue anyone is the weakest or strongest

Because then we're going off highly speculative aspects never once even touched upon by the game

[blazing wasp]

Also this assumes our Guardian is like, really strong

[dire maple]

It is left to speculations

[dire maple]

The guardian is indeed really strong

Way stronger than Cayde

[hallow fulcrum]

Leaked cutscene from echoes ?

[blazing wasp]

Above average but weve never accomplished anything significant through raw power

Ever

Not once, in fact

[blazing wasp]

See rules

[dire maple]

Bro experience can actually bring feats

We defeated godlike creatures thru experience

[blazing wasp]

If you're a pilot dropping a bomb, are you strong? Did the bomb make you strong

[blazing wasp]

No, common misconception

[dire maple]

By that sense no one is strong except the witness

[blazing wasp]

It was through luck, and really really really dirty dighting

[blazing wasp]

The witness' strength is mostly their own

Accomplishments done through their own raw power

The parts that wasn't through raw power weren't representative of their strength

Only something representative of strength represent strength

[dire maple]

Then idc. The guardian that is playable in destiny 2 achieved insane "wins"

[blazing wasp]

Clever schemes, plotting, that's not power

[blazing wasp]

And not once through strength

We're not super strong, were just really clever and adaptable

Not to mention lucky as fuck

[dire maple]

Bruh you think that every hunter could walk in the void? Outsmart the witness and so on

[blazing wasp]

Talking "rolling a nat 20 18 times in a row in a DND session" lucky

[dire maple]

It's not ordinary stuff that everyone can achieve out of luck

[blazing wasp]

No

That's... What I'm talking about

As per my previous point: we're adaptable and clever

That's our main advantage against our enemy, numbers, luck, and adaptability

[dire maple]

Those count as feats. Strength is nothing if it's held by someone like the witness

He's a literal imbecile

[blazing wasp]

What

[dire maple]

😉

[blazing wasp]

Also did you not read what I just wrote

[dire maple]

Yeah

[blazing wasp]

Is my leg being pulled here

As I'm not always good at understanding satire.

[dire maple]

But I think you underestimate how much important brain is than strength

[blazing wasp]

But... That's not what strength is

Thats not how strength works

D2 didn't just randomly change how that works

[dire maple]

Im talking about raw strength

[blazing wasp]

And raw strength is nothing but strength

It has nothing to do with knowledge

Or being clever

How hard you can punch a boulder is strength

[dire maple]

No cause strength can be considered everything that is based on the body combined

[blazing wasp]

That's

[dire maple]

Like agility. Force. Etc

[blazing wasp]

Ok, your definitions go wildly against the actual, used definitions

Which is causing some confusion here

[dire maple]

We are not talking about multiversal beings like the witness

[blazing wasp]

And I don't think this conversation leads anywhere if your argument hangs solely on personal interpretations and changings of definitions to suit the argument, and changing the argument to extent the conversation

[dire maple]

We're strictly talking about our guardian compared to other hunter's

[dire maple]

Not everyone sees the word "strength", the same

In the dictionary strength is just raw power

[blazing wasp]

I use the objectively correct term for strength

If we're gonna go and change definitions to suit ourselves, and change them around on the spot, nobody is right.

[dire maple]

If thats how you wanna use it then our guardian is very skillful

Do that satisfy you?

Our guardian is the most skillful hunter. Do that satisfy you?

[blazing wasp]

Listen, I didn't come here to argue, and if you only want to argue for the sake of arguing, I'm not the person for that

Someone absolutely is, and that's fine, I get that

But I ain't

[dire maple]

I'm literally trying to understand how you defend the statement "our guardian is not strong he's just clever and experienced"

"a good bomb thrower"

[blazing wasp]

I think you misunderstood so let me break it down for you differently

I do not wish to argue, just to pick a fight and have no interest in so

If I appeared to have displayed such when you begun, that was unintentional, and I genuinely apologize

[dire maple]

Me neither I seriously want to understand who Is the strongest Hunter by probably. If it is not Eris morn . Who is more probable to be. Who achieved more as a hunter than Eris morn

That's all

[blazing wasp]

But I have no interest in having a online fistfight, changing the conversation to extend it

Over a video game

[lofty badge]

shhhhh

[lofty badge]

the player char if they a hunter?

[blazing wasp]

Ok to clarify on this before actually

Leaks nono

Our rules state that if it's nono in bingo tos

It's nono here

I believe some servers and such are ok with it

[hallow fulcrum]

I just saw a leaked cutscene from echoes part 3 ,though I would not mention more not here at least

[blazing wasp]

That is a good idea

[lofty badge]

i got spoiled by watching it on youtube already in my suggestion tab

[dire maple]

The guardian is indeed crazy capable. But Eris morn seem more magical. As @blazing wasp said the guardian is just some ordinary hunter who happens to have a big brain and be a good fighter

[blazing wasp]

Ok that is not a good idea

[lofty badge]

But Eris morn is not really a hunter anymore

[hallow fulcrum]

Really ?

[blazing wasp]

As per what my above message yes

Really

[lofty badge]

she lost her ghost, lost her light and became a expert on hive magics

[dire maple]

Eris morn is the first hunter God 😉

[blazing wasp]

There are communities for this

[dire maple]

Well yeah but

[blazing wasp]

I recommend going there

[lofty badge]

Still not a hunter anymore, she got more warlock vibes now

being about spooky magic

[dire maple]

She's no race right now

[lofty badge]

???

she is a human

[dire maple]

She's a god?

[lofty badge]

just with acolyte eyes

[lofty badge]

no human with likly immorality and expcert in hive magic and stasis

so still not a god

she was a god but not anymore

she became the most powerful hive god for a few moments but gave up all that power to make xivu mortal and chose her humanity instead

[dire maple]

And she lost her Ghost

And remained a human

[lofty badge]

so did Orisis

and other ghostless guardians

Zavala is still himself even with Targe dead and not a lightbearer anymore

[dire maple]

Why is Cayde seen as a Important character. He doesn't seem to have any actual feats

He seems just like a rank 2-3 guardian 😹

[lofty badge]

well he was the leader of the hunters for a long while

also Cayde have done a lot

in lore

[dire maple]

So did we?

Way more than Cayde actually

Maybe 3 times more

Even though we're the main character

It still counts

Why ain't we the hunter leader (if the player decided to be a hunter

=]]

[lofty badge]

Yes buy cayde is still not your regular guardian

[dire maple]

But I guess the game lore isn't over

[lofty badge]

cause we don't want to

[dire maple]

I'd like to 🤥

[lofty badge]

hunters have never been the type to really want to be vanguard

and bungie never gave us the choise lol cause it requires paperwork

something hunters usealy don't like to do

they like to be out in the wilds, on adventures and doing wacky stuff

[dire maple]

Well yeah but hunters seem to be the weakest by lore

Except humans

[lofty badge]

still able to kill gods

[dire maple]

But you can't be one

[lofty badge]

wut?

what have power level of hunters have to do with humans

[dire maple]

Cause humans could theoretically kill gods aswell

[lofty badge]

but no normal human being ever did that in destiny

and Eris is not exactly a Normal human

she is a lightless guardian that dabbles in hive magics

basicly a witch now

that is not a normal human

[dire maple]

Witches are human by race

[lofty badge]

not really

we have witches of other races too in destiny

[dire maple]

Ow you mean about magic

[lofty badge]

Mainly Savathun

[dire maple]

I HAVE A QUESTION

After I beat savathun. And it was like a bait. And 3 more appeared mocking my ability to win the fight

There was a chest on the ground

And I couldn't take it

[lofty badge]

yeah what about it

[dire maple]

I wanted the chest

=[

[lofty badge]

did you check your mailbox after?

[dire maple]

There way nothing extra

Anyway. I don't fully understand d2 lore cause I only got around 16 hours in the game

But from what I seen nothing really comes close to the witness

[lofty badge]

in power level? yeah

[dire maple]

I will never understand how did the witness lose

[lofty badge]

massive amount of effort and litarly using light and darkness

• a fuck off giant army

[dire maple]

Witness story wise is completely untouchable

Capable of being everywhere and anywhere at the same time

[lofty badge]

ye, we had to go trough a lot of shit to be able to touch it

[dire maple]

He was like omnipresent

It seems like mad plot armor against the witness

[lofty badge]

[dire maple]

The way he straight up teleported to Emperor Calus like it's nothing showed that story wise he's omnipresent

[lofty badge]

that was more of a mental projection

[dire maple]

The meaning behind it made the witness seem impossible to beat

[lofty badge]

ye

[dire maple]

Is like. He could rewind million's and bullion's of years just by the tough of it

But maybe I just thought too much of it

[trim grotto]

If by weaker, you mean she has none, then yes.

None she can use, that is.

[stark fjord]

Yeah that part is all true

But the light still remains just like not as potent

If u get what I mean

[lofty badge]

he can't time travel XD

[dire maple]

Also the witness was never a enemy. He was such a netural being with so little evil scenes

[lofty badge]

the witness killed untold trellion of living beings across the universe...

and caused mankind's golden age to end

[trim grotto]

Only insomuch as everything has Light in it

[trim grotto]

Absolutely objectively incorrect. It acted with unparalleled cruelty, which has been specifically documented.

[lofty badge]

the witness is the reason the hive exist

the witness was our ulitmate enemy

[dire maple]

So what. At his lvl no one is allowed to judge his acts . How do you know if he spared their existence (I'm joking)

[lofty badge]

yes?

we are allowed to judge his actions

🗿

[dire maple]

But the witness. When it comes to humanity. Seems like a netural guy

[lofty badge]

no the witness is the reason billions of humans died during the collapse

it send nerzarc to kill mankind and link the veil with the traveler

[dire maple]

Witness is the reason he lost

[lofty badge]

witness is the reason the witness lost?

[dire maple]

Yeah

He lost because he underestimated his enemies or the people he left alive

By that logic. The witness is either brainless. Either the "good side" have infinite plot armor

The story is so good yet so bad

[stark fjord]

Could we have brought oryx back if he didn’t kill him in ghosts of the deep

[lofty badge]

yes but we would have been doomed

[stark fjord]

Aw :c

[dire maple]

By the way this story have been going. Even if the witness came and destroyed everything. We would have still won

Nothing is stronger than shitty plot armor that destroys the fantasy of the story

I want to see a game with a strong main character but no plot power. The final or most important ending to make more sense

Not to show to the new players how strong the witness is. Get the player RUN away from the witness spirits cause they were story wise invincible just to come back to defeat the actual witness after

[lofty badge]

i mean if you see the story that way then

[dire maple]

That's how it is. Such a good and attractive story with a bad ending

Witness should have never been defeated

When I started playing destiny 2 and I saw the first enemy I truly couldn't even damage (the witness spirits) I thought that they were invincible. And indeed they were. It gave the story the feeling of the mc being weak. Which tbh is a nice feeling after all the games like d2 I played. Just to end in the worst way

I think the way the witness lost is very lacking to me

But yeah is subjective

[jagged badge]

Why?

I think it makes the most sense in terms of how we could have possibly beaten it

[dire maple]

The witness appeared invincible storywise. That's my issues

[jagged badge]

We didn’t triumph through overpowering it, but by weakening it. Using the Traveler’s raw power to sever its dissidents

[dire maple]

Could you weaken infinity?

[jagged badge]

When Season of the Deep came out and we learned of the Witness’ origin, my immediate theory was that we would win by undoing the gestalt fusion that created the Witness

[dire maple]

Cause the witness was shown as the being with infinite everything. Omnipotent. Omnipresent

Limited by nothing

[jagged badge]

That’s just not true though

[dire maple]

That what it was shown to the new players

[jagged badge]

Nope

[dire maple]

And that's the image the player will always remember along the story. Of a infinitely strong antagonist

[jagged badge]

The Witness was portrayed as insanely powerful but you’ve made up what you’re describing

[dire maple]

Then why is this ending the worst. Most criticized boss fight by the entire community

[jagged badge]

Is it?

[dire maple]

Yes? 😂

[jagged badge]

Source?

[jagged badge]

If you didn’t like the ending, that’s fine. More power to you

Judging by Final Shape’s overwhelmingly positive reviews, that is not a widely shared opinion like you’re claiming though

[dire maple]

I'm literally telling you that the story is making the new player perception of the witness way different than you see it

[lofty badge]

it made your perecption that way

[jagged badge]

I’m literally telling you you’re making stuff up

[dire maple]

Yes the story did. The cutscenes showed how invincible the witness it. Without any rival

Untouched

Etc

[lofty badge]

for you kek

[lofty badge]

not much we can do to change their mind

[dire maple]

Did we watch the same cutscenes

[jagged badge]

This convo is going nowhere yeah

[dire maple]

Bungie literally fucked the story

Look at the starting cutscenes. See how the witness is presented. Then the way it ends

[jagged badge]

[dire maple]

That's actually the actual game destiny 2

Not the final shape cheaper

[jagged badge]

No it’s not lmao

Those are specifically reviews of the expansion itself

You can click on the links in the reviews and it takes you to each of those sites’ articles on The Final Shape

[dire maple]

What do you like about the way the witness lost? @jagged badge

[jagged badge]

That it makes perfect sense with what we knew about the Witness and what we know about ourselves and how we generally defeat stronger enemies

We were never gonna beat the Witness through our own strength exceeding its own. The Witness has always been presented as insanely strong. But with the aid of the Traveler, and the revelation we discovered about the dissenting voices in the Witness, we were able to sever the Witness from the inside

[lofty badge]

yes

most people agree it was a good ending to a 10 year saga

[jagged badge]

Its power came because it was a whole species joined into one entity. When said species doesn’t agree and wants out, and we destroy them with the Traveler’s Light, I think that’s a great resolution

[dire maple]

It literally made everything perfect. Is this really what ending you like? Such boring and unpleasant ending?

[jagged badge]

What?

[dire maple]

Where reality becomes heaven?

[jagged badge]

What are you on about??

[dire maple]

What happened after witness lost...

[jagged badge]

How was everything perfect? The episode we are currently in is literally dealing with a negative consequence of our victory

[wind belfry]

least obvious ragebait

[lofty badge]

skill issue

[dire maple]

🤫

[jagged badge]

Right, you know baiting like this is against the rules?

[lofty badge]

dude saying lore is shit, not even paying attention to any of it

🗿

[dire maple]

I love the lore

Not the way he died

[lofty badge]

https://tenor.com/view/liar-anakin-anakin-skywalker-star-wars-angry-gif-10486354

[jagged badge]

Anyways, don’t engage with them further. They’ve just admitted to only being here to argue and bait so

Mods can handle it

[dire maple]

It's genuinely my opinion about the lore

[lofty badge]

got cha

[dire maple]

If you think I'm delusional that on you

[wind belfry]

wrap it up buddy

[jagged badge]

Anyways

[dire maple]

What's the point of the game without the greatest antagonist

That's my issue

It was just rushed

[jagged badge]

So, who’s excited for act 2 of the Episode?

I’m praying that Saint makes it out of this okay

😭

[dire maple]

No one actually cares about the lore after witness lost

[blazing wasp]

Love me some comfort character mental breakdown

[jagged badge]

[lofty badge]

i can't wait to kill the new vex leader that did that to him

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-16218831690385053791

[trim grotto]

lies

[jagged badge]

Don’t bother Mael, they’re literally a self-confessed ragebaiter

[trim grotto]

oh, fun

i was busy helldiving

[jagged badge]

[lofty badge]

i really need to buy heldiver

[broken relic]

The Witness is a complete fraud and a hack, even Shaw Han could kill it easy

Those guardians in the lightfall cutscene just did that on their own to make him feel better

[raw cape]

Witness will return with jotunn

[lofty badge]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-f-are-you-on-a-bout-what-are-you-saying-what-do-you-mean-karl-urban-the-boys-gif-15594364

[empty fern]

Lore question of the day

Who was Thalor

[devout vine]

The Vex can eat themselves...
I'm more excited for Fikrul

[lapis thistle]

To settle your debate, no our guardians are not the best hunter warlock or titan, yes he defeated godlike beings, but we also had train, prepare and dumb luck, like Rulk we only kill him because he has toying with us and just try in last standing, for the debate of the best hunter, I theorize that the best hunter was the mentor of Cayde 6

[lapis thistle]

For 10 years and we didn’t knew even where name until beyond light

[lapis thistle]

No foe is invincible

[jagged badge]

Don’t bother engaging with Tayk

They’re just baiting

[empty fern]

Damn

Eris, go look up who thalor is, I bet it’ll be very little to find

[lapis thistle]

And don’t forget we beat The witness with 12 guardians, 3 vanguards and other friends, and we channeled the raw power of the traveler by our ghost

[empty fern]

Oh and who is Jagi (this is a real person in lore)

[lapis thistle]

I still need to play echoes actually

[lapis thistle]

Me too but no money

[lofty badge]

😔

[lapis thistle]

Was not Thalor killed by the dredgen ?

And Thalor was one of the best titan in crucible

[empty fern]

I see

[lapis thistle]

But a question we can all agree that Ikora was the best guardian in the crucible right ?

[empty fern]

Sure

[lapis thistle]

But like could some one beat her

Like now

Even with her power

And knowledge

[empty fern]

Probably

[lapis thistle]

So who’s

[empty fern]

Dunno

[lapis thistle]

I’m betting on a hunter then a titan

[shrewd nova]

Why cant shaxx and mara be lovers 😭

[ember storm]

Because that requires them to be two consenting parties which they are not

[shrewd nova]

wdym

[ember storm]

Mara has literally no romantic feelings for Shaxx

Shaxx has a crush at best and that’s just arguable

[cinder geode]

Because mara is lesbian

[shrewd nova]

:d

whose mara lover

[cinder geode]

Sjur eido

[shrewd nova]

aint she dead

[ember storm]

Bisexual, but that’s beside the point

She literally just has zero interest in Shaxx

Why would they be lovers

[shrewd nova]

didnt shaxx and mara kiss in the lore

[ember storm]

no

[shrewd nova]

ive been gaslit

[cinder geode]

You talking about the helmet stayed on lore book?

[shrewd nova]

i think

idk

[cinder geode]

Shaxx was just reading a story to my knowledge

[ember storm]

It was just after Eido had died

[shrewd nova]

ok still I wanna see shax have a lover that poor man cant stay single forever

Shaxx"

[ember storm]

Shaxx was a friend of Eido and because Mara was still in mourning, she called on him because she’d never personally met him

She then requested he read the Tempest play for her (I think it was one of Eido’s favorites) while also demanding he look her in the eyes without his helmet out of respect

Shaxx burnt the book she gave him and recited it word for word from heart, while keeping his helmet on

[shrewd nova]

isnt that disrespectful tho?

[ember storm]

It was a show of respect for Eido while also demonstrating he wouldn’t kneel for Mara just because she demanded it

Again, the two were only close to Eido

Not each other

[shrewd nova]

ohhh

[ember storm]

She literally summoned him via teleportation without any prior warning

And she wasn’t exactly kind about it

[empty fern]

Shaxx and eido exotic when,
We got devils ruin with shaxx and Saint
WHERE IS IT

[ember storm]

This was back before D1 even happened so Mara was still on her traveler/guardian hate train

She was just grasping towards any longing connection Eido had

[empty fern]

Damn

Stupid question incoming

Who had it worse
Mara and eido
Or eris and her fireteam

[ember storm]

Probably the crota fireteam considering Eido might still be alive

[empty fern]

Wait what

[cinder geode]

She was taken by the nine

[empty fern]

How did we lose status of eido again?

[jagged badge]

Why are we calling Sjur Eido by her last name specifically 😭

[empty fern]

Oh

[jagged badge]

Feels like a recipe for confusion lmao

[empty fern]

Sjur too non vowelly to type casually

Or same reason as eliksni

[jagged badge]

[cinder geode]

We got Sjur eido mara's lover and eido the script of house light

[ember storm]

Ask mael about it

I’m not a scholar on the subject

[empty fern]

Seido (sjur) and Seido (script)

[ember storm]

Mithrax literally named his daughter after her, so yeah

[cinder geode]

Missed that lore ig

[empty fern]

I wonder

We need to take a dive into the world of d1, and relook at the lore again, like how the hive used to have these sacks on the moon, now no longer

[ember storm]

Pretty sure those are still there

[empty fern]

These? They aren’t

[ember storm]

Show me the receipt

[empty fern]

Ah uhhhh

Uhhh

[empty fern]

Can’t, daddy oryx ate it (I think that’s what drifter said)

[ember storm]

Wrong, he’s only called Calus and Mithrax daddy

Oryx the Nightmare Daddy was a play written, directed, and starring Didi, ghost of Marcus Ren

[empty fern]

Oh

Close enough

[ember storm]

it’s also one of the only times our ghost is featured in lore

The eponymous Ghost himself calls it: "Is this supposed to be me? Oh… oh no…"

[cinder geode]

Fallen hierarchy I guess
Dreg, wretch, vandal, marauder, captain, kell I think

[dim minnow]

Daddy Calus - said by Drifter
Daddy Immaru - said by Immaru himself
Oryx the Nightmare Daddy - title of a play written by Didi, Marcus Ren's Ghost
Crawdaddy - Used to refer to Mithrax by Amanda Holliday

[empty fern]

Not Amanda

[trim grotto]

There's also your Archon Priests and your various tiers of Servitor

[stark fjord]

Are screebs baby eliksni?!

[trim grotto]

No

[dim minnow]

no, but there is a smaller variant of Screebs

so those ones are probably Scorned hatchlings

[empty fern]

Fully approved to kick them

[trim grotto]

When Scorn are resurrected enough, they start to get... weird. Goopy.

Eventually...

Boom friends

[willow dagger]

Woah..

So what are the other ones?! The ones with the glowy green heads?

[empty fern]

Green heads?

[empty fern]

Cursed thrall?

[willow dagger]

Ja!

[dim minnow]

Cursed Thrall are just Thrall that are messed with

kind of like Ogres

though Ogres go through a very torturous process to end up that way

Cursed Thrall are likely meant for sacrificial rites

[stark fjord]

so are lucent hive like

hive hunter - acolyte
hive titan - knight
hive warlock - wizard came from the moon

[dim minnow]

Wizard instead of witch but yeah

[stark fjord]

yah sorry

im used to calling them witches 😭

[trim grotto]

Plus whatever Sav turned into

Her own vibe

[stark fjord]

i think shes an amalgam of all 3 but more warlocky

[dim minnow]

she lacks the void shields

[waxen knot]

she has mostly lock and hunter

[stark fjord]

tru

[dim minnow]

insteaad she uses something a lot more akin to a nova bomb

[stark fjord]

nah in her story she uses a something like a titan bubble

[waxen knot]

id say meme wise she has the toughness and D.R of a titan haha

oh yeah in the boss arena

[stark fjord]

yah nova warp

[empty fern]

She got the
Blade barrage
The L nova bomb
Stormtrance spawn lightning
A better wizard blast
Nova warp aoe
Anything else I forget?

[trim grotto]

Cool Hat

[empty fern]

That’s a basket

[trim grotto]

Cool Basket

[empty fern]

Fair enough

[stark fjord]

the bubble

[empty fern]

She’s got a bubble?

[stark fjord]

yeah kinda?

its bigger and it sticks to her

it doesnt give her sheilds it just stops u from shooting from afar

im gonna redo the mission to get evidence brb

better yet

youtube

its a big bubble

credit ://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F6FWlpvKZM

[empty fern]

Oh I guess that does count as the titan bubble

[stark fjord]

yah

im spitballin here but is her escape animation related to thundercrash?

[empty fern]

No, that’s just how some hive escape

Like light blades ghost

[ember storm]

Hive ghosts aren’t hive

So

Fairly certain it’s a form of blink

[empty fern]

That too

[lost abyss]

Honestly, with the way her movements appear during that animation, I wouldn't be surprised if she was using Arc energy to propel herself. We know that is something often done with Arc.

She even takes a moment to "charge"

[mossy nest]

The becoming of a guardian confuses me.

[trim grotto]

How so?

[mossy nest]

I like Crow, he’s really cool. But he IS Uldren. But everybody refers to them as different people. To me, it just seems like he changed his name and all is forgiven.

When you become a guardian, are you not the same person?

[trim grotto]

Not in a significant number of ways, no.

[dim minnow]

when you are rezzed for the first time, you lose all previous memories

blank slate

[trim grotto]

One of the entire points of your lack of memory upon resurrection is that chance to become a new person, to cast off all that you may have been.

Crow, for years, knew not who he was, and was murdered repeatedly and enslaved over it.

[mossy nest]

But you can regain those memories, like what Savathun did, right?

[trim grotto]

It has only ever happened twice. Savathûn, who put a significant amount of effort into the process, and was very specifically trying to become who she was before, and Crow, because Savathûn forced those memories upon him and he felt sick to the bone and had an enormous identity crisis because of it.

Having Crow deal with his past was the feature of multiple Seasons of a few years.

[mossy nest]

I get it now, cool

[dim minnow]

also worth noting that when Crow regained Uldren's memories, he had already gone through a lot and was able to reflect on Uldren through a new lens

[trim grotto]

On a similar note, it is actually against the Guardian code to try and learn about your past.

[mossy nest]

It just makes me wonder who everybody was before lol

[trim grotto]

We know of a small handful of people. Like Shinobu, or... well, Zavala was known to some of the oldest Awoken Techeuns. Crow, of course, or... what's his name... Savin. Savin-Who-Was-Chao-Mu.

Ana Bray, obviously. Cayde-6, to a degree.

[knotty musk]

technocrat he or she

[trim grotto]

Actually, he's the only male of Eramis's core council.

Taniks notwithstanding since he was just a merc

[dim minnow]

though he did actually admire/respect her

[trim grotto]

look where that got them

[dim minnow]

should have just kept his mouth shut after freeing Aksor from the PoE

he legit sadi that two different lost sector bosses were better than him

[knotty musk]

damn

[knotty musk]

before he upgraded from flesh to steel

[trim grotto]

He was well on the way to that before we were even resurrected

[dim minnow]

pretty sure he was already pretty machine at that point

[lapis thistle]

And it’s why he is the vanguard because when he “was” Uldren Sov, he just kills when he feels like it and then killed Cayde 6, with some help sure, by the way that last line was amazing, but then we find it was actually riven, after some time he gets revived, gets enslave and free by us, then got some training, and missing some big events in the middle, he uses the wish to revive Cayde 6 and then in TFS was like a passing of the Cloak quite literally.

[lofty badge]

Yeah

i also like Saint's char change in Season of the splicer

[eager trout]

Do we have a channel for advertising commissions?

[trim grotto]

I guess #🔔content-creators? I'm not really sure why you're asking here, specifically.

[eager trout]

No one answers in questions channel

Ever

[trim grotto]

Then browse the #📋server-info channel

[jagged badge]

People are in the questions channel all the time

And people are in gen chat all the time

[fast tapir]

yeah genchat would be 100x better to ask in, if you failed to find a answer in questions that is

[outer dragon]

The vanguard dare is non binding

Crow is Hunter Vanguard because he chose to become it

[lapis thistle]

I now that

[lapis thistle]

Yes in fact he did

[cinder geode]

Is there a lore reason why our guardian is so insanely strong @trim grotto

[ember storm]

Not specially

Basically just Elsie finding one specific guardian who had potential and setting them up on their long journey of successes

[cinder geode]

We're strong enough to force light and dark into harmony

[steady nest]

We are THE Guardian

What can i say

[cinder geode]

Fair point

[steady nest]

John Destiny

Speaking of which

[ember storm]

It was still entirely due to a well of it within the pale heart

[steady nest]

But nobody else did it

[ember storm]

Strictly speaking I think literally anybody could go and find one of them now

Ghost saw the wells too, it’s not like it was some special Young Wolf™️ vision

[steady nest]

An we are like the first guardian to ever wield strand

[ember storm]

Which also isn’t really indicative of “power”

We are the first guardian to repeatedly die over and over from trying to use strand

We’re also the first cause of death for a cloudstrider in combat, due to the inability to properly wield strand

[steady nest]

True

[ember storm]

Osiris is the only reason we actually learned how to do it

The guardians speaking in the prismatic lore also aren’t the young wolf

So

[jagged badge]

Going a step further

Nimbus is the only reason we actually learned how to do it

The whole River of Souls story and teaching us to go with the flow and changing our perspective on the situation and on Strand all came from Nimbus babey

[fast tapir]

holy shit

nimbus was actually useful!!!

[steady nest]

Only thing nimbus did right

[steady nest]

I still do think that our guardian is in te top 10

[tawdry mauve]

@mental latch the traveler is not a god

[mental latch]

ik its not one

but it really is powerful

[tawdry mauve]

not all powerful

[blazing wasp]

It's not "kinda" all powerful either

[mental latch]

and can create universes surely

[tawdry mauve]

no

it cant

[blazing wasp]

No

[mental latch]

or at least worlds

[blazing wasp]

No

[mental latch]

it made the pale heart

[tawdry mauve]

once again no

[tawdry mauve]

??

[blazing wasp]

It only terraformed

[tawdry mauve]

no?

[blazing wasp]

It is the pale heart

[tawdry mauve]

the pale heart is the inside of the traveler

[blazing wasp]

Or rather

[tawdry mauve]

do you tell people you made your own kidneys 😭

[blazing wasp]

The pale heart is the traveler

[mental latch]

oh

[ember storm]

Which the witness forced into being by combining it with darkness

[mental latch]

but cayde saw sundance in a visioon of the traveller

[tawdry mauve]

the most impressive thing we see it do is terra form

[tawdry mauve]

yes

[mental latch]

and were in the traveler

[tawdry mauve]

a vision.

[blazing wasp]

A vision

[mental latch]

so cant it just bring it back

[tawdry mauve]

it cant

[blazing wasp]

No

It was a vision

[tawdry mauve]

because its a vision

i.e not real

[mental latch]

gotcha lol i wish it had a reason

besides you just cant

[tawdry mauve]

?

not everything needs to be explained.

[blazing wasp]

Not everything has a reason beyond it just can't

[ember storm]

creating ghosts was a one time thing and almost literally killed the traveler

[blazing wasp]

I fact most things do

In*

[mental latch]

thats true i suppose

i started the game 3 weeks ago lol but i watched the 10 hour lore video

[blazing wasp]

If we're being technical everything is

[mental latch]

and that was a question i had

[blazing wasp]

Also to elaborate on the Ghost thing

[mental latch]

unfortunate that there isnt a full reason

[blazing wasp]

Ghosts kinda make like

A link

[mental latch]

ye amd when they die your link to the light is gone

[blazing wasp]

Like making yourself someone's soulmate

[mental latch]

thats why i was thinking u can make a new link

[blazing wasp]

It's a unique link

One and some thing

[ember storm]

Light has specific frequencies

[blazing wasp]

One and done*

[ember storm]

A ghost’s frequency and a guardian’s frequency are all unique

[blazing wasp]

Like microwave ovens on water

[ember storm]

Ghosts only link to the one guardian that’s as close to their own

A ghost can’t just find any corpse they want and make due

[blazing wasp]

Can't just use the microwave on something without water

[mental latch]

so one person only has one ghost

[blazing wasp]

Yes

[mental latch]

so you cant kill yourself then get a new one

[ember storm]

Guardians are meant to be a second chance

[blazing wasp]

Nope

[ember storm]

That’s it

a completely new lease on life without any prior notions or biases

it would defeat the purpose to continue giving more chances

[mental latch]

do we have any info on who we were before the ghost

[ember storm]

No, which is the point

You make up your own story

Or don’t make one up at all

Guardians generally just don’t seek out their past life

[mental latch]

gotc ha

[tawdry mauve]

the only info we know is that we died in the cosmodrome

thats it

but who knows maybe we died some place elsewhere and our corpse was carried there

[mental latch]

interesting

[lapis thistle]

I quite like the all new beginning stuff, it’s really good to have a second chance

And ghost chooses the “guardian”

But to revive him, the ghost and the guardian need to be one, that is represented in a very good way with Crow.

[young wraith]

In Presage, when Osiris refers to "the entity," is he referring to the Witness?

[blazing wasp]

Iirc, yes?

We didn't know of the witness' name prior

[young wraith]

Yeah

That's what I assumed

[ember storm]

Also to be clear, that is Savathun disguising herself as Osiris

[empty fern]

Real

[blazing wasp]

I suppose susiris at that point did know the name

Telling is that would be sus af tho

[jagged badge]

“The Witnes- oh uhhh…uhhhh shit.”

“Oopsie”

[ember storm]

“There’s a voice inside the darkness…? Oh no… how could this be… etc”

[empty fern]

Wait mithrax has house salvation contacts?

[frail bone]

Lore daddy is having a livestream right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A72cjcsJJTw

[jagged badge]

More like Lore middy wheeeey

[fast tapir]

real

[steady nest]

"The rizzness edged the traveler so it can bring frurth the final skibidi" -Byf if he was peak

[brittle dirge]

“We really edged that salvation” - Byf if he was even more peak

[steady nest]

Truly

[dawn vector]

Is there a reason in the second mission of the Final Shape campaign that the ||Witness shows the iron banner shield and a statue of a wolf?||

[jagged badge]

It’s to do with Crow’s slight association with Saladin

When Crow accidentally killed one of Caiatl’s Psions and Saladin stepped in to protect him, forfeiting his life

Which is what lead to Caiatl claiming Saladin for her War Council

[dawn vector]

Ahh okay

[dawn vector]

Another question that I could never find, is there any reason why some ghosts are different shapes? Like Sagira, Glint, Targe, etc.?

[dim minnow]

just their shells

[ember storm]

Doesn’t Targe just have the standard generalist shape anyway

[dim minnow]

mostly

[ember storm]

Also how does still hunt even work

[jagged badge]

Light

[cinder geode]

Question: why did you spoiler it? Tfs is like a month old already

[void loom]

Question but is our current guardian the same one from d1?

[devout summit]

Guys who would win: rhulk or gojo

[dim minnow]

yes

[void loom]

Thank you!!

[dim minnow]

I'd wager that Rhulk's pervading Darkness would do him in

[devout summit]

does witness no diff most anime verses

[jagged badge]

[ember storm]

Don’t quote me on this but he probably solos a few slice of life anime

Just a theory tho

[empty fern]

Quoted

[safe galleon]

i feel like the witness loses to at least some nichijou characters since it seems to operate on cartoon logic, which goes for a lot of things

its the same reason the witness would lose to uncle grandpa. it would slice him into pieces like that one titan in lightfall and another one of him would come in from offscreen and say some shit like "gee, i sure am glad i wasn't that guy"

[fast tapir]

no fucking way you just said that

[safe galleon]

yeah

whats your objection

[fast tapir]

uncle grandpa is not that strong.

[safe galleon]

maybe not but cartoon logic operates such that whatever happens is dictated solely by what would be funniest in the moment, and i don't know how to tell you this but the witness horrifically dismembering someone with the swipe of a finger is not the funniest possible outcome at any given moment

[fast tapir]

that is fair

[mental latch]

why did the traveler give the light to savathun and the hive

[ember storm]

It didn’t

Not directly anyway

In inaction, the traveler had hoped that Savathun and her hive would have the standard guardian experience and get a genuine second lease on life, due to the witness effectively enslaving their civilization without them realizing it

it just so happened that Savathun was planning it all out in detail and Immaru was in on it too

Savathun had no intention of losing her memory and kept a bunch of messages for herself to get them all back

[mental latch]

thats kinda insane

big brain time

[stark fjord]

Was trials of Osiris reintroduced in season of the worthy

Cus Like i distinctly remember doing it before that and saint 14 didn’t voice it

[dim minnow]

yes

[dim minnow]

in D2Y1 they had Trials of the Nine which was very different

[stark fjord]

Oh Yahh I remember now

Omg thank u for reminding me

Ily

I was trying to look for a specific voice line

[grand jungle]

so the warlord last boss is a ahamkara right?

why does it look different to like riven

[dim minnow]

it is a Chimera actually

Chimeras are a variant of Taken made from a Servitor

[grand jungle]

ahh chimrea didnt thnik of that

[dim minnow]

and the Chimera we fight in Warlord's Ruin is a manifestation of Hefnd's desire for Vengeance

Hefnd himself is just a pile of bones at this point

he was for a long time

[grand jungle]

wasnt hefnd the bones in the serct boss area?

[dim minnow]

I believe so, but there were also bones in the final boss arena

[grand jungle]

sjur edio was maras old partner right?

[small quartz]

How Many Guardians like us are there canonically?

[dim minnow]

yes and the original Queen's Wrath

[dim minnow]

exact number hasn't been given

[sharp osprey]

at least 4

[small quartz]

Id assume 12

based off raids

[sharp osprey]

there's definitely more than 12

thousands, perhaps millions even

[small quartz]

Do we KNOW anything about the Player Pre Awakening

[dim minnow]

no

[sharp osprey]

no, its left open-ending intentionally

role playing game

[small quartz]

also how does ghost revival work?

do you lose anything if you die

Lore-Wise

[sharp osprey]

some people think the cutscene from TFS "confirms" we were one of the Ares I astronauts, but it literally does not

[small quartz]

to my understanding to kill a ghost you need Darkness Bullets?

[small quartz]

whys that

[sharp osprey]

to kill a ghost you just need a lot of power

[sharp osprey]

the cutscene of the vision the Traveler shows us upon entering it shows an astronaut on Mars gaining trancedence, but I think it just moreso represents humanity and Guardians in general

[small quartz]

dope asf cutscene

[sharp osprey]

best cutscene in Destiny history

[small quartz]

bbut yeah how does Ghost revival work

[steady nest]

To kill a ghost you need strong paracasual power

[sharp osprey]

funny light bring people back to life

[dim minnow]

you only lose memories on the first rez

[small quartz]

OH RIGHT

What the fuck are Engrams???

are they naturally occuring?

are they mined?

[steady nest]

Information

[small quartz]

`what

[steady nest]

Basically enagrams are things that store information from what i recall

[modern lodge]

Compressed data

[steady nest]

Zip file

[dim minnow]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars-2?highlight=Engram

[sharp osprey]

zip file in physical format

[small quartz]

so whyre there empty engrams

In grasp

[sharp osprey]

they do a little trolling

someone probably put explosives in engram format or something idk

[dim minnow]

moreso the destructive power of greed

which the crystals absorb

[small quartz]

How do the gunmakers like

... make guns

do that stuff

like fucking explode people

[lapis thistle]

To kill a ghost you just need to be powerful or have a powerful gun, the witness can kill your ghost just using is power, but in forsaken when the guy (I’m not remembering the name) killed Sundance in the prison of elders was more likely to be a powerful gun, also the Dredgen, in my understanding, could kill many ghost

[small quartz]

Cant the Thorn kill ghosts

[lapis thistle]

Like a gunsmith normally would

[small quartz]

How do you channel the light into a gun

[lapis thistle]

It’s never said in the lore but we can assume that it’s possible

[jagged badge]

It can

[lapis thistle]

With your own power

[jagged badge]

The Scorn used a devourer round from Thorn to kill Sundance

[lapis thistle]

It’s like your super

[small quartz]

I want a series of Propaganda Cartoons from Bungie showing the companies showcasing new guns

thatd be sick...