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ember storm
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any advancement as a species is just because of what they were able to do unified with the same goals or ideals

mellow flicker
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Understood

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So is it possible that the whole Ahmkara extinction is limited to our solar system? That is if they really come from outside the sol system

slim elk
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Granted the advancements could be provided by some of the worst people. See Clovis Bray

mellow flicker
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I don't know much about clovis bray, but was she the one who made exo?

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Or was it the ishtar initiative?

ember storm
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He is the creator of the exo

slim elk
ember storm
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Europa was his private colony where he did it to keep prying eyes away

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Since everything he did was objectively evil and anyone with any amount of morals who found out would be sickened

mellow flicker
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Idk why but I always imagine Clovis like the woman scientist of halo that basically created master chief

ember storm
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no

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He was an old bastard

mellow flicker
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She was also a bastard

ember storm
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Before his son was born, he meticulously went and altered his genetics to remove all the genes that heā€™d inherit from his mother

mellow flicker
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Kidnapped children to dope them

slim elk
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Nope
You seen him before actually.. a variant of him at least

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Banshee-44

mellow flicker
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Is it confirmed or a fan theory?

ember storm
ember storm
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Have you played beyond light?

slim elk
mellow flicker
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I do, but tbh I was giving less attention to the whole clovis story

ember storm
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How do you forget about the giant robot head

mellow flicker
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I was more curious about the fact that it was finally possible to see where exo were made

mellow flicker
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Not sure tho

slim elk
mellow flicker
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Or simply they didn't play all of it and didn't act like I knew everything

slim elk
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Had that happen in this very channel before lol

mellow flicker
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Fair enou

slim elk
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Not you Luctor

mellow flicker
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Anyway, so from that head we see a resemblance to Banshee, that's what you mean?

slim elk
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Was talking references in the ghost hunts or questioning why we haven't crushed Immaru

mellow flicker
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That would also explain the amount of resets. It is normal if he is the oldest exo

ember storm
mellow flicker
slim elk
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ember storm
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Because Clovis knew this as the creator of exos and also just like his massive narcissism, he made a contingency

mellow flicker
ember storm
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As his mind was being uploaded to his exo body, it would also be copied and become the mainframe for a massive managerial ai

slim elk
ember storm
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It would act as Clovis in his stead before he properly adjusted to his exo self and got back to business

mellow flicker
ember storm
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Manager

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Runs things

mellow flicker
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Yeah I mean

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Which AI

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The head?

ember storm
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The ai

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Clovis AI

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The head

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Thatā€™s calls itself Clovis

mellow flicker
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Ok

slim elk
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Head=The AI

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It's what houses it

ember storm
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really itā€™s just a big computer in an exo-looking shell

mellow flicker
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So.. we have 2 clovis? But the "original" is the banshee?

ember storm
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Like cave johnson

ember storm
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not the original

mellow flicker
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Yep, that's why I said banshee

ember storm
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Banshee is the actual man himself

slim elk
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Or what's left of him.

mellow flicker
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I really need to check all seasons' story

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Cause beside Exo stranger, how tf we got back Saint?

slim elk
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All those reformats and a willing memory loss-name change did a number on Banshee

mellow flicker
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There are like a lots of old/historical characters coming back

slim elk
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Was an event that made Saint idolize us

ember storm
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Osiris made a machine powered by darkness to try and save Saint from his fate in the infinite forest

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We find him, but at the wrong time in the past, which starts his whole paradox situation

mellow flicker
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I thought that she didn't ask cause she can only go to the past

slim elk
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Also a demonstration of how dumb Osrisis actually is because he couldn't connect the dots even with Saints idol standing right in front of him.

ember storm
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We are all from the same timeline

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The loop Elsie is in just resets everything

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back to a fixed point

mellow flicker
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Which loop?

ember storm
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Elsieā€™s loop

slim elk
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Her deathloop

ember storm
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Sheā€™s not using a Time Machine to go back in time

slim elk
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She's the Exo Stranger

ember storm
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Sheā€™s in a Groundhog Day situation

mellow flicker
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She died in her timeline?

ember storm
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again, not ā€œherā€ timeline

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We are in the same timeline

mellow flicker
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But didn't she come from the future?

slim elk
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Something makes Elsie revert back in time every time she dies

ember storm
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Have you really never heard of Groundhog Day?

meager coral
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The future for her, present for us

mellow flicker
ember storm
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Everything gets set back to a set point in time, Elsie herself included

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mellow flicker
ember storm
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She just retains the memories of these loops

mellow flicker
meager coral
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She dies , goes back to a fixed point, tries to avoid what caused our loss

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I believe so

ember storm
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It would always end before or just as Beyond Light starts

slim elk
ember storm
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Either due to some disaster or the point where guardians get access to stasis

slim elk
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So it's all unknown now

mellow flicker
ember storm
sleek matrix
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Yea she doesn't know what next now

ember storm
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Itā€™s been ā€œunknownā€ since BL

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That was the turning point

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That was when the dark future happened for her

meager coral
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Ana becomes evil was a big part of our loss to evil isnā€™t it she avoids that by caring for her

ember storm
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Guardians got access to stasis without any guidance and all hell broke loose

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this time around Elsie did a lot of specific things to avert it

mellow flicker
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I mean, I didn't think much about when she came from, but I always thought that at one point she was going to ask for us for her help in her timeline. That sucks

slim elk
ember storm
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Mainly setting us up to be a big hero rather than some random new light who didnā€™t do anything

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Sheā€™s the one who told us to go to the black garden to kill the heart, which was never done

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We helped Ana explore her past with companions

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We helped Eris overcome the trauma of her lost fireteam

mellow flicker
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I was hoping to have like an interaction with our corrupted guardian in her loop

ember storm
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We killed a lot of guys, etc etc

ember storm
mellow flicker
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Hm?

ember storm
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the loop is closed off

mellow flicker
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Yep

ember storm
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the other timelines do not exist

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because it is the same loop

mellow flicker
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That's why I said it sucks

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You can't interact with it

ember storm
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Sheā€™s not being picked up and brought somewhere else

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Itā€™s the same timeline every time

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She just has the chance to change how it goes

mellow flicker
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Oh..

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So there will be a point anyway when she dies and come back?

ember storm
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you seriously have never heard of Groundhog Day?

ember storm
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For all we know she just died and then canā€™t experience anything until the actual criteria gets met again and sheā€™s sent back

mellow flicker
slim elk
sleek matrix
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It's basically ur re living the same shit ever day

mellow flicker
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I saw edge of tomorrow

ember storm
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I kinda donā€™t think the existence of the universe is hinging on her existence though

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Sheā€™s just the person responsible for overlooking it

slim elk
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There's a entry where she manages to convince Ikora to deal with Eris early.. in Elsies own words
"We are all dead in a week."

ember storm
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Like if Elsie just gets shot I donā€™t think we automatically lose centuries off of it

mellow flicker
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Lol

slim elk
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The big point is Elsie herself doesn't know what's causing it

mellow flicker
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So basically she also interacted with us and said "no time to explain" cause she had tons to things to deal with to not fuck things up?

meager coral
# mellow flicker I saw edge of tomorrow

Imagine you wake up, walk down the street, get hit by a car, you wake up again, you realise the same car is coming down the street, so you stop, thatā€™s Elsieā€™s entire life so far, constantly reaching a point of loss, and trying to avoid that in the next loop

sleek matrix
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^^

mellow flicker
ember storm
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In Groundhog Day?

slim elk
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Dozens at least

sleek matrix
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Hard to know how many times

meager coral
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Iā€™m not sure in the specifics, but I assume itā€™s mentioned vaguely, there are an array of specifics she wanted to avoid thatā€™s been listed earlier, such as guardians falling to dark with the stasis, ana being corrupted to evil, etc

ember storm
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Not as many as bill murray had probably

ember storm
# ember storm Not as many as bill murray had probably

Summary. Phil relives the same day approximately 12,400 times in Groundhog Day, equating to almost 34 years. Groundhog Day director Harold Ramis initially believed Phil was trapped for 10 years, but later went back on his stance.

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now, actual time spent experiencing the loops? Elsie clears easily

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But times sheā€™s been looped, probably not

slim elk
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The actual cause for Elsies deathloop is still unexplained

ember storm
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it revolves around things going to shit and the traveler blowing up

slim elk
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Yep
Even she doesn't know exactly, but it happens

ember storm
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Holy shit Eris

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Thereā€™s a tweet popping off and youā€™re in it

slim elk
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?

ember storm
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I got jumpscared

fast tapir
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real

ember storm
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Feel like I saw a teacher at the grocery store

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It me!

rich veldt
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Is that not just what my name colour looks like on the Cryptarchy?

rich veldt
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i think theres an imposter eris

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ember storm
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Clearly only one person can be named Eris

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And itā€™s the one thatā€™s blue

fiery copper
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When impsoster is sous

fast tapir
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yes yes something like that idk

uneven canyon
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If the witnessā€™ hold prevented people from entering the traveler until the raid team broke it, how did the raid team get inside?

slim elk
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I thought only The Guardian went in along with Zavala and Ikora

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fast tapir
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yeah i was about to say

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The raid was about preventing the Final Shape and allowing the Traveler to empower us again

fast tapir
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mara brought the helm in during the last mission

uneven canyon
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But why was the cutscene saying the raid team broke the witnessā€™ hold on the traveler to let everyone in?

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It didnā€™t say that

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It says the fireteam shattered the Witnessā€™ hold on the Travelerā€™s Light. That part is true. Nothing to do with letting people in

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It was about stopping it from using the Light to enact the Final Shape

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And also making it so the Traveler could gift us again with those swords of Light to unmake the Witness for good

uneven canyon
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I thought itā€™s hold was preventing people from using the portal

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No

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As was pointed out, our allies entered the portal before that, and we spent days going in and out freely preparing for the Final Shape

uneven canyon
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Ah

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What opened the portal though?

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Mara did

uneven canyon
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Well yes initially

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Did she do it for everyone else too?

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Before she was fighting against the Witness but I assume as the Witness drew nearer to the Final Shape it couldnā€™t concentrate on fighting the portal and reshaping all of reality

uneven canyon
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Fair enough

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RM: "Into the final turn! Marcus Ren leading by four lengths!"
HB: "That's four less than the last time he won 15 in a row. Think he has the flu?"
RM: "It doesn't look like he has anything but victory on his mind! One quick turn back to check behind him andā€¦ uh, that'sā€¦"
HB: "Did he drop his lucky coin?"
RM: "Ren looking down at the track and WHOA! What was that?!"
Who are RM and HB?

ember storm
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Linking the tab may be of help

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ruby cedar
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this fight was quite something

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But I guess in scheme of things

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Savathun did try to save traveler

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maybe thats why it chose her

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Well

ruby cedar
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OH SHIT Mara wants to join with the worm šŸ˜®

willow dagger
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Witch Queen ending

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Theyā€™re playing through it for the first time

ruby cedar
hallow fulcrum
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Think about what the speaker said to gary

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The Traveler allowed Savathƻn to be resurrected but her resurrection was actually planned between her and Immaru

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They knew each other beforehand

frank heath
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i havent played since witch, is there a video i could watch to catch up or something to just quickly catch me up?

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I dunno about videos myself but Dova made these summaries

frank heath
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oh amazing, thank you

ember storm
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Remember when dova started these he completely skipped over taken king

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That was pretty funny

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How long were these up again?

hallow fulcrum
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By the way what is it savathun wants ?

ember storm
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Her own security above all else

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She did not genuinely care for the traveler out of good will and it didnā€™t reward her in any sort of way

hallow fulcrum
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That I know

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By the way how many darkness based things do we know of

ember storm
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Youā€™d have to be more specific

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I mean I personally know about strand ,stasis and whatever the darkness forces use , then there is also Egremore? Idk what's that but it's something to do with darkness

ember storm
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Itā€™s kinda like the darkness version of trees of silver wings

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itā€™s a type of fungus that forms when thereā€™s corruptive darkness in an area that has the right properties, essentially

ruby cedar
ember storm
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Veteran dialogue tied to what campaigns your character has completed

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Oryx and the taken would be taken king

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Sagira Osiris would be season of Hunt/Lost

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Crota would be dark below

ruby cedar
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hmm oki. I dont remember what I did and didnt back in the day

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Noted ā¤ļø

chrome fog
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Also Dova you still havenā€™t put the Taken King stuff

raven wraith
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One of the new lucent hive lines in gambit implies the drifter ate a ghost. I'll leave you with that info

next bobcat
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Cite your sources ā˜ļøšŸ¤“

raven wraith
raven wraith
next bobcat
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Thatā€™s wild

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I mean

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Could that not literally just refer toā€¦you knowā€¦

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Thatā€™s a crunch

raven wraith
next bobcat
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But then that kinda implies heā€™s crushed a regular ghost too

ember storm
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I mean yeah

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Dark ages sucked for everybody

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Crushing a ghost was basically commendable back then

next bobcat
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Thatā€™s fair

ember storm
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You know drifterā€™s ghost has a body count

next bobcat
raven wraith
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True, and while I do think it'd be hilarious if he did, he's probably referring to crushing

ember storm
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It has killed

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ours has too

next bobcat
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Explain

raven wraith
ember storm
# next bobcat Explain

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/heaven-or-hell#book-a-man-with-no-name

Heaven or Hell ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

ā€”
"For the breadth of my formative years, I had one goal: find myā€”well, we all have our own word for themā€”my chosen. And every moment thereafter was dedicated to keeping him alive, whether he liked it or not. They were turbulent times, before the Last City. Before humanity found hope for the future. I was prepared to kill for it. Die for it." ā€”A...

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The body of an armored man lay sprawled over the smoldering open-air cockpit, his helmet punctured by a small hole about the size of... the drone.

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Flung itself as a projectile and literally brained a guy

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As for ours, he commandeered a tank and shot scorn with it during forsaken

raven wraith
ember storm
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Eh

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Would you credit your magnifying glass if you used it to laser ants

raven wraith
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Also off topic question, did clarity control stop the exos from becoming just machines or was it the radiolarium?

raven wraith
safe galleon
trim grotto
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Clarity changed Radiolarian Fluid into Alkahest, which stabilised the Exominds and stopped them from succumbing to billboarding, a form of braindeath.

safe galleon
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because that is like, a very generous way of putting it šŸ˜­

raven wraith
raven wraith
trim grotto
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The statues enacted the will of the Witness until it was preoccupied with the Traveler. I wouldn't question it too much.

raven wraith
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That's fine with me, I thought that ones outside the traveler were just speakers for the witness to control others.

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I'm about to start the 3rd grimore which I believe has the DSC and exo stuff.

river bronze
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Right but it is located in Kazakhstan, and in the game it is in Russia

dim minnow
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they probably couldn't have really done anything no matter how much they wanted to

chrome fog
waxen knot
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anyone know who "the call" is about and who is on the sides of the pistol

trim grotto
chrome fog
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@dim minnow taken king summary for the D1 rundown CaydeThumbsUp

trim grotto
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The Great Disaster - the first Vault of Glass fireteam - The fall of Dredgen Yor - The showdown at Dwindler's Ridge
What happened in what order? Yor killed Pahanin, which means the showdown happened after VoG, but did the Great Disaster happen before or after the Yor-Malphur saga?
Who was Hunter Vanguard at the start and end of each of these events? Caliban? Aparajita? Kauko? Andal Brask?
Roughly many years ago were these events?

dim minnow
# chrome fog <@437459720937144320> taken king summary for the D1 rundown <:CaydeThumbsUp:1020...

Oryx has arrived seeking an answer for the death of his son. Looking to halt his advance, the Awoken Queen brought her fleet to intercept Oryx's within the rings of Saturn only to be obliterated. With the precious time Mara Sov bought us, we managed to infiltrate the Taken King's ship and disable its superweapon, the same one used to leave the Awoken armada in ruin. Then we would delve even deeper into the dark by gaining the means to step into Oryx's domain where we challenged him. While we were victorious, he turned his own power unto himself in order to escape. While we prepared to face him for the last time, we took to dismantling the remainder of his court one-by-one until the time came where we dethroned the king. His throne was laid bare before us ready to be claimed, but we refused thus disproving the Sword Logic once again.

trim grotto
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What the hell is an Oryx

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west cloak
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Omg

static bluff
ruby pivot
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welp didnt know vex can do slurs as well

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even better if its golden age slurs

trim grotto
chrome fog
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Worm in disguise?

west cloak
trim grotto
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Stealth Worm

west cloak
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worm logic

trim grotto
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Solid Worm

chrome fog
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Worm man

west cloak
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what does hive worm taste like

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has anyone actually eaten a hive worm before

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drifter the type of person to do that

trim grotto
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Honestly I don't know if he has
Either he or Eris would know though

west cloak
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has anyone actually tried any of the other races?

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like i wonder if a guardian has killed a cabal and tried it

trim grotto
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It's pretty much just Drifter doing this stuff

west cloak
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freak

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and yet osiris was shunned away

trim grotto
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Well Drifter never joined up with the City in the first place, until recently

west cloak
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@trim grotto whatā€™s your favorite lore entry that came any new item that came from this expansion

trim grotto
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Fish

west cloak
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fish?

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mine is prolly the fact that the taken donā€™t actually die

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they just get sent back to the ascendant plane

trim grotto
willow dagger
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Fish

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i remember that, there was one with caiatl too and failsafe

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pretty much talking about how theyā€™re the same when it comes to being nice to people

safe galleon
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what artist is the pyramid inside imagery based off of? i know the rhulk pyramid environmental art where you see worms segmented in slices of material is literally just the destiny version of one of this artist's sculptures but im not sure who they were

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Is there a list of literally every character ever
Example: Nameless Risen with the red Ghost in The Black Armory Papers: Entry 108, 109, 110 who killed Yuki Satou

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Other than Endermahe's timeline (possibly missing some but it's the most thorough compilation I've seen)

remote sky
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Wtf are Osiris' cubes

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When did armor for each class start having identical lore?
Ex: Great Hunt class items are about Young Wolf's wish for the bond, Eris's wish for the cloak, and Mara and Shaxx for the mark, but the class items for this season have identical lore about Failsafe's interest in fishing

dim minnow
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Bungie don't really do separate armor set lore unless it's for certain sets

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like raid armor

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although, the Salvation's Edge armor only has lore in the class items and they are all the same

trim grotto
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trim grotto
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Let's see if this works

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Ah nice

dim minnow
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huh, so that's what the Cryptarchy looks like

chrome fog
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You go over there yet?

dim minnow
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no I haven't joined it

dim minnow
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if you're going to post something stupid like that, at least be original

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I already saw that on r/dcj a while ago

fast yew
dim minnow
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not even funny at that point

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also rule 3

fervent sandal
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Is song of flame the same thing as radiance from d1?

dim minnow
fervent sandal
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If not is song just an evolution?

dim minnow
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maybe?

fervent sandal
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Also lore wise guardians were able to self rez?

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Or was that just a in game mechanic

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For fun*

dim minnow
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Radiance is a special type of self-rez

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but in terms of respawning, yeah

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so long as you had a Ghost or weren't in a Darkness zone

fervent sandal
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Hm

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So lore wise can we as the guardian still use all the stuff we did in d1?

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Ie: blade dancer, etc

dim minnow
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maybe, I think I saw an entry of someone using Radiance in D2

fervent sandal
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Ok

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Thanks

dim minnow
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it even specifies that they are a Sunsinger

fervent sandal
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Ah ok

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I want my self rez back god dammit angry

chrome fog
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No itā€™d be broken in the current sandbox for D2

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Which I think was a complaint from D2 which led to its exclusion from D2

remote sky
broken relic
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Bladedancer's Super (Kinda) and Ward of Dawn are already in the game anyways

empty fern
remote sky
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WHOOPDEYDOO

empty fern
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Nvm I canā€™t find shit

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@trim grotto here your challenge for the day

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Explain the cubes

remote sky
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Oooheeheehoo

trim grotto
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Osiris wrote his Lost Prophecies on these six-sided tablets, and hid within them a secret for the Guardian whose deeds he foresaw.
He's a goblin and likes being a braggart
Also he used them to access the Infinite Forest pathways

empty fern
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Nah the cubes are obviously just an advanced fidget toy for Osirisā€™ ADHD

remote sky
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Ofc

trim grotto
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As to why he had to write the prophecies in iambic couplets? Simple: vanity.

empty fern
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Theyā€™re actually DnD cubes CATGRIN

trim grotto
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do you mean
a die

empty fern
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Nah

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cubes

trim grotto
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dem fancy number cubes

empty fern
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We got the shapes from the nine on there

willow dagger
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When failsafe said we were lucky that her arsenal blew up, why was she so upset

empty fern
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That or uhhh, fallen being fallen

willow dagger
empty fern
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Oh that one

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I forgor

willow dagger
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It is time. I have awaited this forever!

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@trim grotto

sharp osprey
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so uh, might be a bit of an elementary question, but is there any reason as to why specific individuals are chosen by the traveler to become guardians?

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like is there a certain worthiness you attain in your first life that the traveler recognizes?

empty fern
trim grotto
willow dagger
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Oh I meant for the question!

trim grotto
trim grotto
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Sharks

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devotion, bravery, sacrifice, death
would it be wrong to assume that those chosen by the traveler displayed those attributes in their first lives?

trim grotto
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Yes, because Shin Malphur exists.

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Also... let me check something

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I know what that means: ā€œFive is not enough. Everyone here is going to die.ā€

I could run. Same fantasy I've been nursing for years: rappel down from the eastern tallwalk, make for the coast. Conar says that tunnel I can see from the tallwalkā€”it's full of Fallen. Open spaces like the road are safer. With this information I could probably make it ten whole kilometers from the village before I'm killed.

That's four more than I could have otherwise. Maybe it's worth a shot.

ā€”Diary of Himura Shinobu```
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Himura Shinobu. She died shortly after this entry, and was subsequently resurrected and joined the Hunters who became known as the Six Coyotes.

Not a very heroic death.

sharp osprey
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there's also the fact that we now know definitively that the traveler is not really that omniscient, so it likely doesnt individually know about the past lives of every person it rezzes

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i've said it before, but the micah visions as part of the khvostov quest do a great job of characterizing the traveler, and showing how scared and vulnerable it is

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its a very interesting way to write a godlike entity

hollow hinge
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We're a godlike entity to ants, the traveller is the same to us

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It doesn't see itself as a god tho, and often in FS we got entries about the traveller being completely lost on what "its subjects" need/want from it

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Be it the eliksni or us, or other races we don't know about

sharp osprey
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yeah, like that one where people start worshipping it and it doesn't know what to do with that

shadow crypt
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who is Ikoraā€™s ghost?

fast tapir
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Ophiuchus

modern lodge
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After the snake?

modern lodge
west cloak
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can we date failsafe

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fast tapir
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whats up šŸ¤

fast yew
winter edge
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Do all the Scorn Barons have a unique model?

gentle geyser
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Like, the forsaken ones?

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Its most likely similar to fallen designs where most of the time it tends to be some reused assets with unique parts to make them appear different

weak prawn
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Hey lore gods I got some stuff I wanna ask about the lucent hive

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So following the theory that in order to be come a guardian you need to to show devotion bravery and sacrifice how would savathun show thoes traits?

chrome fog
chrome fog
blazing wasp
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Including every d1 dlc and the main campaign

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Not like it does that, a lot, to this day. Oh well!

chrome fog
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Imagine being so starved for a power fantasy you miss the messaging of responsibility inherent to the game

blazing wasp
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Same with the sword

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But alas.

hollow hinge
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To ants we may seem like gods but we're far from it. Same applies to the traveller.. it may seem like it is a godly being but it is just as afraid of dying as we are

ember storm
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Ants usually donā€™t have enough force to kill a god

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Guardians can regularly be killed by run of the mill dregs

hallow fulcrum
hollow hinge
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Again, just completely unrelated to the topic at hand

chrome fog
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In what way

hollow hinge
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We were talking about the traveller being seen as a god by humans and other civilisations but it's anything but.
It's just more powerful than us so the analogy of humans to ants is the same as the traveller to humans

chrome fog
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Tell me how itā€™s unrelated to a misinterpretation of the Travelerā€™s inaction and the perspective she has

hollow hinge
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Take a chill pill my guy

chrome fog
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Because itā€™s very fucking clear she cares about the individual beings she encounters

hollow hinge
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I never said it didn't

chrome fog
hollow hinge
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Seriously calm the fuck down please

raw hazel
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Iā€™m not usually one to agree with Tox, but you did take it out of context.

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Thatā€™s not what they were talking about at the time.

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Merely just noting on the differences of perspectives between the Traveler and those that view it.

analog torrent
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Does anyone have a link to the loretab where it's stated that Cayde can wield Arc

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I think it was an emote

ember storm
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It doesnā€™t need to be stated

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Anyone can run anything

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Doesnā€™t mean theyā€™re good at it though, which is why the standard for most is just minmaxing

shadow crypt
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Can Titans pop a golden gun?

ember storm
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Yes

shadow crypt
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or any class using another classes supers or abilities

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ok

ember storm
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Classes arenā€™t even a real thing

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They are quite literally just societal constructs

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Itā€™s not like you get a seminar upon rez dictating what you are

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People just conformed to what came naturally

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Some warlocks can be foolhardy and some hunters can be studious, and some titans can be careful and precise

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Itā€™s really just personal preference

gentle geyser
ember storm
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Care to explain how itā€™s a poncho at all

gentle geyser
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Look at literally every character model of crow

ember storm
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I see something that barely covers his shoulders and then a separate piece of cloth exclusively at the back goes down to his ankles

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So I donā€™t see a poncho

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Hence my question

raw hazel
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Poncho

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Not a poncho

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fast tapir
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its like

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half a poncho!

ember storm
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The thing with the bird is a separate garment

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fast tapir
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its still really cool though

raw hazel
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It is pretty cool.

ember storm
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The cloakā€™s hood is pulled through the head hole with the actual cloak left underneath

gentle geyser
fast tapir
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can we see new crow in game?

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or is he just missing boohoo

gentle geyser
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We see his in game model in the last cutscene of the campaign

fast tapir
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ye but i wanna see him during gameplay

gentle geyser
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Crows gonna be apart of episode 2

ember storm
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You know either way it doesnā€™t make it a poncho in any capacity

gentle geyser
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Im right youā€™re wrong, not arguing

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Yap

ember storm
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you must be great at parties

analog torrent
ember storm
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Just bring up Ikora and Osiris and call it a day

raw hazel
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Me when I donā€™t have a valid argument.

ember storm
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You got a permit for that argument there?

analog torrent
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Need more Hunter examples

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so far have Efrideet's Solar in A Man with No Name and Arc in Remembrance class items

ember storm
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Literally just anything concerning darkness really

analog torrent
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Whatever I found it

Arcstrider's Patience
"It may look like funā€”and trust me, it isā€”but don't drop that thing. You might hurt yourself." ā€”Cayde-6

ember storm
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If people can accept wielding two powers of completely different origin, why would they argue against powers from the exact same one

analog torrent
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people be stubborn

raw hazel
# analog torrent I know šŸ’€ I'm compiling a list of explicit multi-subclass incidents to rebuke pe...

IIRC, theoretically anyone could learn anything but itā€™s like Crow said, you never see a Warlock wielding a Golden Gun.

Guardian classes are basically learning disciplines, and likeā€¦ Sure, a boxer could learn how to fence, but I imagine they would have an easier time learning Kung Fu. I think itā€™s just a matter of differing schools of training- As with Blink, we know abilities can transfer between classes as Light is only limited by oneā€™s imagination and experience.

Itā€™d just be easier for a Warlock to learn a different way to unleash raw elemental power, than say finessing into a finer instrument like Hunters do.

analog torrent
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Yeah they're more of "Guardian cultural artifacts based on distinct interpretations of the Light" like Chalco Yong says
Easier to fit into one but they're not hard rules

raw hazel
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So, possible, but most probably wouldnā€™t put the effort into it. Given how the vast majority of Lightbearers struggle even with basic subclasses.

ember storm
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All of this is to say, Shaw Han using a golden gun to make his allies radiant makes him a hipster

fast tapir
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funny swarm lore tab

ember storm
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Now I can excuse it because it was a life or death situation

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However

fast tapir
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fuck i wish we didnt have to imagine what this stuff looked like boohoo

ember storm
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Heā€™s never once shown actual effort into his yas build

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Which leads me to believe heā€™s just running it for the roll

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And therefore he shouldnā€™t be allowed to argue anything about buildcrafting

fast tapir
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what about the fashion?

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forget the roll

ember storm
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His fashion sucks

fast tapir
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but

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thats the best thing about his fashion

ember storm
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Hoodless cloak and he chooses the baldest helmet available??

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Awful

fast tapir
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maybe he wants to try to look good

ember storm
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Asked to leave the tower forever

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This is why heā€™s stuck in the cosmodrome

fast tapir
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people in the tower are just ashamed of him?

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tbf

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he is a hunter NOT dressed in all black

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so thats a massive W

ember storm
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His fireteam members probably faked their deaths to get away from him

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Only explanation for how theyā€™d die to an Omnigul cosplayer

fast tapir
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man she dont even scream like her

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she will NEVER be omnigul

analog torrent
ember storm
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Canon because hunters stole blink from warlocks

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and then pretended they came up with it

analog torrent
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They were real for that CATGRIN

fast tapir
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wheres the lore tab about the titans mad at rift

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or was it well

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it was something

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is it the phoenix lore tab?

ember storm
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It was well

raw hazel
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As looping back to the earlier conversation, still not a poncho. And when he moves in-game, you can more readily see that the cloak goes under his... shoulder cape thing.

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ember storm
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I have a shirt with a hood

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Does that make it a sweater

raw hazel
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It does now

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Also still not sure how I feel about the manbun...

ember storm
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Well they referenced his haircut ingame and immediately killed the joke by giving him a new one which I think is funny

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Felt like it was directly referencing Caydeā€™s bad writing in Y1

raw hazel
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Though, this does feel like a very Crow thing to do.

ember storm
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Iā€™m just glad my characters arenā€™t awoken

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Ending cutscene would definitely be ruined if it was just Ikora surrounded by the blue man group

analog torrent
raw hazel
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I think it's called a shoulder cape?

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I'll pester my fashion friend about it later.

ember storm
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distress

jagged badge
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I heard thereā€™s a specific name for it but I canā€™t recall it

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Ah!

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Capelet

raw hazel
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Thaaaaat's what it is.

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I knew there was a specific name, but it was escaping me.

blazing wasp
plain sequoia
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may i ask what this fallen looking thing is over in the cosmodrome?

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fast tapir
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man

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ive seen people say it could be the wrath of the machine raid entrance but i personally dont really see it

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SURE its a weird looking ball with spikes

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BUT

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they are way too long and wide

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maybe because its a weird distance thing i dunno

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ive done enough OOBing in that raid to know that silly spiky ball when i see it CATGRIN

plain sequoia
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hmmm could just be a fallen base

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like the one on europa

lapis quartz
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you know whatā€™s something ive wondered for a while

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how both different Rhulk and Nezarec seem from the Witnessā€™ ideals on the Final Shape

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Really, their motives on being Disciples of the Witness is really odd

gentle geyser
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Thats the point

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They donā€™t actually share the same views

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Cult like behavior

lapis thistle
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Yes

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Their are like part of the letā€™s call ā€œwitness gangā€ but they have different views and now with the witness dead they could do something thatā€™s a cool plot to follow up

hallow fulcrum
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Darkness seems to be much more common In destiny lore than light and I am sure it would be considering that it is there just for whoever wants to use it

velvet flax
trim grotto
rigid flower
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Genuine question though...

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Do you guys think Bungie will go down the route of there being guardians with the mindset of "The Witness was right" and having them be an enemy for an episode or expansion?

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I'm not a fan of the idea personally, though I am conflicted with it in the case of human enemies being a thing.

gentle geyser
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Tbf I think its near impossible to have that happen, I mean, the final shape quite literally happened for a moment

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And people did feel it

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I donā€™t think anyone is agreeing with it at that point

thorn osprey
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Iā€™m sure there are humans who donā€™t agree with the Tower or the Vanguard, but they are in no position to fight against us

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I was talking to my son last night after he finished the campaign and we got to talking about the possibility of Saint-14 becoming the new Titan vanguard now that Zavala is mortal.

ember storm
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Vanguard isnā€™t really a position thatā€™s meant to have to do anything with your current powers or abilities

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Plus Zavala is awoken so itā€™s not like heā€™ll be grow too old anytime soon

sick yew
white girder
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What will Frontiers expansion be? šŸ¤” I hope it'll be BrayTech or dead orbit comeback

sick yew
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To put it simply
No one has any idea besides bungie

sick yew
broken relic
sick yew
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They just wanna grab some Exodus ships and dip

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Which is what could be the plot of Frontiers

rigid flower
fast tapir
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the entire plot of Frontiers is just The Guardian learning how to become a mechanic so they can repair the exodus ships

analog torrent
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Ship mechanics would be cool
rn they're just a cash cow

rigid flower
sick yew
rigid flower
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You know that does make me wonder...

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What if we just take control of the Dreadnaught?

analog torrent
sick yew
fast tapir
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but my brother is doubting the idea instantly

sick yew
rigid flower
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We could straight up make it into the Helm 2.0.

fast tapir
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fr

white girder
fast tapir
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The Guardian controlling the dreadnaught will be the coolest thing to happen in this game

sick yew
fast tapir
white girder
sick yew
white girder
fast tapir
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dw

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we will just call eris

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in

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to do something

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idfk

sick yew
fast tapir
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PLEASE LET US HAVE THAT

analog torrent
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He's human right

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Did he make it inside?

sick yew
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Can you link me that document?

fast tapir
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did this actually fly over everyones heads or what

sick yew
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Absolutely

analog torrent
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yeah

sick yew
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tho in all fairness I havent kept up with the lesser lore bits in a good while

analog torrent
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Finding the distributary is huge

fast tapir
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did they send the document yet

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to you

ember storm
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Never heard of it

sick yew
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@white girder you got a link or anything mr?

fast tapir
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oh god damn it

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the ONLY thing i can find about him going there is an Evaze video

ember storm
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I donā€™t think itā€™s real

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Ok so a few things

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Itā€™s not a ā€œmassive documentā€

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Itā€™s just one of those blog post lore tabs they used to drop

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He also didnā€™t find the distributary

fast tapir
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yeah i just found the blog post transcript on ishtar

ember storm
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He just theorized that it could be related to the big rings in the sky of the dreaming city (literally anybody with a hippocampus could probably guess)

sick yew
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Ah

ruby cedar
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i like him

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fast tapir
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shoot him.

empty fern
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Poetically

ruby cedar
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BUT HE IS CUTE

hallow fulcrum
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If gardener is the traveller , winnower is the veil , if winnower is not the veil ,the gardener is not the traveller

ember storm
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not technically

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The witness calls the traveler gardener, that is confirmed

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What it calls the winnower is whatā€™s being questioned which then leads to further questions

river bronze
hallow fulcrum
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Think about it this way , using unveiling , both gardener and winnower made themselves into a rule in the game and both light and dark exist and are linked to traveller and veil , so there is no reason why veil and winnower would not have a relationship similar to traveller and gardener @ember storm

lime pier
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can someone give me a real quick desc on who the sanctified mind is and why it was the final boss the garden of slavation

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he seemed so random and still is

ruby cedar
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AWWW

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the worm became a weapon

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šŸ˜¦

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and it never talks again

bright star
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Yo. So I got this question thatā€™s been bothering me throughout TFS. I absolutely love every aspect of the story and dlc but I havenā€™t been catching up too much of the witness lore from light fall and previous seasons(I came back from witch queen). So I wanted to ask.

If the Witness is so powerful, why didnā€™t he just outright kill all of the guardians and just take the traveler and complete the final shape?

trim grotto
trim grotto
bright star
trim grotto
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Correct! Gotta focus up if you're gonna try and control the most powerful entity of Light to ever exist.

bright star
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Or like

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When he flicked his finger

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Then focused solely on the beam

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Cose the beam shot before the flicking lol

ruby cedar
analog torrent
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Was the transmission crisis/Shirazi's experiments an early form of SIVA? Or just nanotech in general? Timeline indicates the transmission crisis happened around Rise of Iron, was this mentioned in-game?

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Nvm found this writeup

It was the event that happened before the SIVA outbreak in the Cosmodrome. During the events of Destiny, the Fallen were searching the Cosmodrome for SIVA, a nanomite that could be programmed to do anything the user required. The Fallen discovered SIVAā€™s origin and broke into the Clovis Bray facility on Mars. In doing this, they released highly contagious test SIVA mites. The test mites were made by Clovis Bray during the Golden Age in an attempt to aid deep space colonisation. However, the experiments were unethical and often ended up with unwanted side effects.

Guardians roaming around Mars started to have mites floating around their heads that made them happy and joyous. The Vanguard were concerned that their Guardians were becoming infected and wished to block the infection from entering the City. They contacted the Owl Sector, a group of civilians that worked with the Vanguard to prevent issues like this. The Owl Sector worked hard to discover what the mites were and how to quarantine the Guardians from the city. During their research, they discovered that the mite was harmful to civilians and were worried that Guardians may infect the entire city. They initially struggled to keep Guardians away from the tower, but eventually managed to find an antidote to the infection and ā€œcureā€ the Guardians of their disease.

After this, Saladin took it upon himself to discover how this all happened due to SIVA killing all his Iron Lord companions. He discovered that the Fallen had found SIVA and were using it to enhance their own bodies so that they could ascend. This is where the Rise of Iron campaign takes place where The Guardians defeats the Fallen and stops the SIVA within the Cosmodrome becoming a problem.

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So it was an early version of SIVA

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an ARG with infected streamers damn that sounds awesome

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Does anyone have footage of the transmission crisis when it was live?

fast tapir
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im sure there are some videos out there

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but what i really liked was the little map they had for the infected

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god i wish they could do something like that again

analog torrent
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The narrator in Ghost Fragment: Clovis Bray 2 is Clovis Bray right?

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-clovis-bray-2

Ghost Fragment: Clovis Bray 2 ā€” Grimoire Card ā€” Ishtar Collective

These spires soar like birds into the dusty pink sky. I marvel at this, my new home. The planet Iā€™ve dreamed of since I was a boy with a telescope, peering at that warm red light, hope of our overcrowded planet.
What Iā€™ve been working on will solve all those problems. Developed in these laboratories built to my specifications, by my handpicked t...

eager trout
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There is a non-zero chance that the first trans Exo was someone Clovis Bray forced into a different body just to see what happens

trim grotto
ember storm
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Itā€™s Brovis Clay

analog torrent
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I thought it was an underling but idk who else it could be

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Thought it was the siva dev's pov

ember storm
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Willa is the siva dev

analog torrent
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Dr. Willa Bray herself came to congratulate me.

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no idea who the narrator is now copium

dim minnow
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the person who worked on the precursor to SIVA

analog torrent
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I think this is after Shirazi tried to blow the whistle

ā€œYouā€™ll be able to expand soon,ā€ she said. ā€œInto the space currently occupied by the Shirazi Lab.ā€

ā€œAre they relocating?ā€ I said.

ā€œMoving on to other opportunities.ā€

dim minnow
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hmmm, could be an unknown researcher who helped develop SIVA itself then

keen obsidian
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Are all exotic rifles and armors the only ones or are there multiple copies???

trim grotto
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It depends on the Exotic.

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Some have copies, some do not.

empty fern
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Coldheart is definitely mass produced tho, omolon peak engineering

white girder
white girder
white girder
white girder
trim grotto
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New Monarchy organised the attempted coup of the Vanguard and Consensus.

dim minnow
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With the other's help

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ironic

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since New Monarchy was known for stopping a previous one

analog torrent
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Garden Progeny 1

For the Hunters: Tallulah Fairwind, first in a long line of ever-changing representatives.
Hunter Vanguards that keep dying is acknowledged in the lore CATGRIN

dim minnow
#

the fact that we turn sentient things into guns is noted twice

eager trout
analog torrent
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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/magnificence-20
Bypass Authority Berriole of Owl Sector breaks into Dr Shirazi's files during the Transmission Crisis and this happens when she leaves:

On my way out, I looked again at the tracks I followed into that room. Clawed. Fallen, I'd say, but there are no Fallen on Mars. Odd.

Closing mission and coming home.
Are these the SIVA splicers?

Magnificence 2.0 ā€” Record ā€” Ishtar Collective

Report of Bypass Authority Berriole, OS-I6 1, for Owl Sector records, assigned to incident TRANSMISSION.
I have been tasked with returning to the Dust Palace on Mars, which as far as we know is the only link between the Guardians first affected by these overrides. Appropriate contamination equipment has been requisitioned, although specs are for...

analog torrent
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Did Ikora have a sordid history with Shun Li? There are weird implications about their dynamic in Brilliance 3.2 and Cayde pokes fun at it in Splendor 2.6*
*Zavala responds by mentioning "that frame of [Cayde's]," which makes him back off immediately. Uh... what is he doing with that frame?

Edit: Ikora and Shun are 100% bitter exes lol. "Korrie," the worrying, the instant increase in resources when he gets sick.
New question:

They raised Earth children on alien planets. You might have been one of them.
IR: Sometimes I regret disclosing my history to you.
Her history? Do we have any info on who Ikora was before she was Risen?

dim minnow
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we were investigating something the Witness was trying to do with the Scorn in the Pale Heart

analog torrent
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Is the Transmission Crisis the source of the ā€œSIVAAAAAā€ meme? It doesnā€™t appear that the mites innately cause maniacal happiness, but because Guardians are weird and act the way we players do, they liked the colorful mites and gleefully spread it to each other. And from what Iā€™m reading, players fuckin loved this event.

dim minnow
slender ether
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So im curious btw. Why didnt the witness do its wavy finger thingy and just cut us into bits like how it did for the trailer at very beginning cutscene of lightfall

dim minnow
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also maybe the power we gain in the Pale Heart prevents it

analog torrent
dim minnow
analog torrent
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Fomo strikes again CATGRIN
That is fine, my love for SIVA is borne out of Felwinter lore, and the end result is the same

slender ether
# dim minnow also maybe the power we gain in the Pale Heart prevents it

I had a similar conclusion. Ghost talks about our new power alot.

Buuuuuuut problem, at the end of the campaign, we are forced to retreat and we get away really fast so fair enough, but zavala is with the rest of the vanguard not getting turned into pizza so idk. Probably because we were killing the people inside of the witness weakening it.

dark linden
#

So i have a lore question, is there lore behind all the Ahamkara exotics? Like the hunter warlock and the newly Titan one?

sick yew
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Well do they have a loretab? Yes? Then they have lore

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But if youre asking about the ahamkara exotics in general its just guardians putting the bones of Ahamkara on their armor which we know still have wish magic in them

dark linden
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Okay more clear, Whoā€™s Ganneth? Whoā€™s bones are on each exotic if it explains that, whoā€™s Ol-Amral

sick yew
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There im out lmfao
Havent actually looked at the tabs yet

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I should do that again tbh
Exotic loretabs are usually either interesting or very funny

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Tricksleeves my beloved introducing us to Carl the Titan

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Best bouncer in sol

wintry moth
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This is the first mention of either of these characters, just looks like a one-off story

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So taking the story into consideration, and the name of the exotic, the exotic itself might have been those ā€œfakeā€ bones which might have actually been Ahamkara bones

sick yew
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Kinda weird how the vanguard never outlawed the posession or usage of Ahamkara bones

wintry moth
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Yeah itā€™s a little wacky, youā€™d think theyā€™d get rid of them considering it does the same as the things they were hunting

sick yew
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The great hunt clearly showed the dangers of wish magic

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So yeah pretty funky that you have a bunch of guardians just carrying those bones around

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Or Shaxx having one hang above his head

wintry moth
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Or Eris holding onto a hers yeah

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Then again, if there was a ban on them Eris wouldnā€™t exist rn

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So maybe thatā€™s like the only reason?

sick yew
#

Mara pulled some strings so that the Awoken wouldnt get in trouble when it came out that they kept a living one for themselves

smoky rose
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Like whatever Ahamkara is in Young Ahamkara's Spine just gives you grenades for some reason

sick yew
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Some do, some dont

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Maybe the hunter who made the armor really fucking liked grenade and wished for more and thats how they got their effect

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Or its not related to the ingame at all

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Some exotic armor actually canonically does how it works ingame, others seems to have inherited some aspect of how the guardian who used said armor acted and even others have no corelation at all

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Stompes for example I believe canonically work like they do ingame
Something such as Nighthawk or point contact braces are infused by the light in a way that reflects how their previous owner used them
And the ones that just do random shit like eternal warrior

empty fern
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Wonder if Clovis ever worked with/on ahamkara, (excluding the YAS ornament)

wintry moth
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Yeah the in-game to lore exotic/legendary armor/weapons explanations tend to just throw consistency out the window

sick yew
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Which makes total sense tbh

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A game like destiny has to make a clear cut between lore and gameplay

wintry moth
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Well thatā€™s the thing, it does that really well. No examples come to mind, but there are definitely some cases where the lore doesnā€™t have anything to do with whatever armor/weapon youā€™re looking at.

sick yew
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They are intertwined pretty well yeah
And even when they arent the overall gameplay still workes close enough with the lore

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Raids are probably the best example
Basically no encounter mechanics are really canon but the raid overall still tells the same events

wintry moth
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And others, like Riiswalker are tangible examples of what the lore tab is talking about (Riiswalker doesnā€™t have a lore tab ? iirc but the quote talks about the gun itself).

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Like it literally mentions the gun itself

sick yew
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Pretty sure Riiswalker has a loretab

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All the Eliksni themed IB guns had some which usually tell little stories of the Eliksni getting used to living in the city

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Or was that the armor?

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Cant remember

wintry moth
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Ok it does yeah have a lore tab

sick yew
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Yeah thought so

wintry moth
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Anyways, the inconsistency of making the loot relevant to the lore tab is kinda weird to me

sick yew
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Well not every gun has a story worth telling

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Sometimes they instead tell a different tale through the loretabs

sick yew
wintry moth
sick yew
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Well that's cause Thorn is an exotic

next bobcat
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Also thorn shoots projectiles 2x the size of the cylinder

wintry moth
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Ignoring that itā€™s an exotic, Iā€™m talking about the backstory of whatever equipment Iā€™m using

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Or lack thereof

willow dagger
sick yew
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Most exotic weapons are custom made or infused with light in some way that makes them special
Armor I already went over earlier but same case there

wintry moth
# sick yew Legendary gear is rarely "unique" in the way that there aren't many of them thus...

Yeah no exactly, I understand. I wish there were more lore connections to whatever Iā€™m using, barring the rarity. I wanna make that connection from lore to the game, and say ā€œYeah Iā€™m actually using this sick ass thing from the loreā€. Clearly if they can do that for a few legendary weapons, I feel like they can do that for seasonal weapons at least but maybe thatā€™s asking for too much.

sick yew
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It goes against the lore tho
Legendary weapons are usually mass produced

empty fern
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We talking about the Thorn and Lumina situation again?

sick yew
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There are notable exceptions such as perfect paradox a legendary that has big lore tied to it

sick yew
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No?

empty fern
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Damn

sick yew
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Did it send twice?

wintry moth
willow dagger
wintry moth
empty fern
willow dagger
sick yew
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Good going discord

willow dagger
sick yew
empty fern
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For now

willow dagger
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Wha

wintry moth
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*and raids/dungeons

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Strictly lore

sick yew
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I don't really see the personal need for legendaries all getting their own dedicated stories
Honestly the case we discussed earlier where the eliksni themed IB guns tell stories about how life in the city is are much nicer

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Seasonal legendaries are a perfect way to sprinkle in little lore bits about what's happening overall

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Since lorebooks usually tell a set longer story

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Can't really tell a special story about a warlock robe that just isn't special

wintry moth
sick yew
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I understand where youre coming from but eh you can only really do that like once or twice before it becomes boring cause yeah while Riiswalker looks cool and the Eliksni who forged it knows their stuff thats kinda just that

wintry moth
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It might get boring yeah, but the recent way weapons/armor have been feeling lately, at least to me, donā€™t hold the same feeling of wonder/importance anymore

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Theyā€™re kinda just

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A gun

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Or piece of armor

sick yew
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A gun
A helmet
A pair of boots

empty fern
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Seasonal moment?

sick yew
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mhm

empty fern
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Oof

wintry moth
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I dunno how to word this

empty fern
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Undervalued? Missed opportunity?

sick yew
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They never really were important in the first place is my point
If you go back the Seraph weapons for example are just that
Guns that Rasputin made

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The Eliksni themed IB guns were "special" because they were something new design wise

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But thats about it

wintry moth
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Okay yeah that right there, guns Rasputin made

sick yew
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Generally speaking legendary weapons have never been special

wintry moth
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What about the new guns tho?

sick yew
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Vex themed guns?

wintry moth
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Yeah

sick yew
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Guns that were partly infused by Vex stuff

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Same case

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Gun but themed differently

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Gun but Rasputin
Gun but Vex
Gun but Awoken
The list goes on but they are all just normal guns that shoot bullets

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Nothing more

wintry moth
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Thatā€™s what Iā€™m talking about theyā€™re just guns with the seasonal theme slapped on, which yes are cool, but they donā€™t feel like they have a reason for being that way

sick yew
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The reason being thats who we work with or whos important during said season

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If its an ally its implied they gave us those guns in exchange for our help

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If its Vex like this season we probably just found them somewhere

wintry moth
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But thatā€™s what I wanna read is what Iā€™m saying šŸ˜­

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Like I donā€™t wanna read about Zavala knitting on my Vex themed Scout Rifle

sick yew
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You want to read about how Rasputin throws a gun into our face and goes "yes go kill some shit"

sick yew
wintry moth
sick yew
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Zavala knitting is peak lore im not even joking

wintry moth
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(Yeah that lore tab is cute)

sick yew
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A guardian walks through the Exodus crash site on Nessus, they look around and see something under a broken piece of wreckage
They inspect it closer and after a ghost scan its a old world scout rifle that over the hundreds of years has been infected with Radiolaria
The Guardian picks it up and goes on their way

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Kinda boring innit

empty fern
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Caitl knitting moment

jagged badge
empty fern
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Eris

wintry moth
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I mean I think thatā€™s something interesting, but everyoneā€™s favorite part of lore is always going to be subjective. I just wish for more lore connections to the guns I use, even if it might be a general acquirement of a themed gun. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

empty fern
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Please, why are there already emotes of the inkblots

wintry moth
sick yew
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Doesnt mean you cant like it

wintry moth
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Would certainly get stale tho fs

sick yew
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My favorite loretab is still the Salvagers Salvo one because it quite literally made me canon to the destiny universe

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Thats not even a joke

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Go read it
I am in there

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I exist

wintry moth
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What

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Where, Iā€™m blind asf

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Ah I see

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LMAOO

sick yew
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there I am

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Its me

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Sadly im a follower of the Future War Cult

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That kinda sucks

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Considering how they turned out

wintry moth
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Yeah what exactly happened to them, I know it wasnā€™t anything good

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I stopped playing around that time

sick yew
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Well Lakshmi turned the Xenophobia dial to 11 and really went against the decision of House Light living in the last city

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In her "defense" she was partly corrupted by Savathun but still

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She went as far as planning to overthrow the Vanguard together with the other 2 factions and in the end opened a Vex portal in the Eliksni quarter which marked the (afaik) first and only time that the Vex set foot inside the last city

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She died there at the hands of the Vex and the factions were exiled form the last city

wintry moth
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Oh damn

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Bungie really said fuck your faction wars LMAO

sick yew
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Tbf the factions have been irrelevant for the longest time so Bungie probably just wanted them out of the picture which I understand

wintry moth
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Yeah my thoughts exactly

sick yew
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An interesting thing you also get from the Salvager Salvo loretab

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Maier was investigating a HƤkke warehouse which stored parts of the Travelers cage from Red War aka light suppression tech

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Back then it was and kinda still is theorised that the FWC was considering to start a civil war/uprising against Guardians themselves

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Note that Salvagers Salvo came out the season before splicer so the whole thing was a sort of teaser of whats to come

wintry moth
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Okay but did Dead Orbit help FWC

sick yew
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Yes

wintry moth
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NOOO

sick yew
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The 3 factions aka FWC, Dead Orbit and New Monarchy worked together on the plan to overthrow the Vanguard

wintry moth
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Canā€™t have shit man

sick yew
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Apparently they were at least mentioned again in some bungie.net post but I doubt we'll properly have them back in the ingame narrative

trim grotto
wintry moth
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šŸ˜”

fresh zephyr
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So are the Taken creations of the Witness or Winnower?

ember storm
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Witness is described as their true master

fresh zephyr
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So who did Oryx speak to in the books of sorrow to gain the power to Take?

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Was it the Witness?

ember storm
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Itā€™s worth noting that previously, the ā€œoldest and most dangerousā€ taken were characterized with yellow eyes, a trait exclusive to some bosses

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Iā€™m pretty sure all taken in the pale heart have yellow eyes

fresh zephyr
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Yeah

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They do

ember storm
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So yeah

fresh zephyr
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Not sure why they made that change

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Maybe to signify that these taken are just powerful because their juiced up in the pale heart?

ember storm
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Theyā€™re all exclusively the witnessā€™ taken

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Nobody else has any amount of control of them, they are its personal creations

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Also Iā€™m surprised we didnā€™t have more taken bosses

fresh zephyr
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Maybe cuz bungie wanted the Dread to shine more

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Which imo was a good call

wheat flower
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I hope one episode is us hunting down the other 2 factions

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Like come here and face my wrath

trim grotto
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To be honest, why bother?

fresh zephyr
fresh zephyr
trim grotto
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Hunt down the other two factions. I assume he means New Monarchy and either Future War Cult or Dead Orbit.

fresh zephyr
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Pretty sure the FWC went down with Lakshmi

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Good riddance too

sick yew
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Nah their followers were exiled like the other two

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Whether they are still a thing no one knows

fresh zephyr
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Well if they ever add an enemy human faction, we know who we gotta eradicate then

trim grotto
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Half of the FWC abandoned it before Lakshmi died anyway, and live in the City

fresh zephyr
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Well there's also DO and NM

trim grotto
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Who left the system

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And are leaving us alone

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So, to reiterate, why bother?

fresh zephyr
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Cuz I'd assume they left our system in the same direction they were coming from

sick yew
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Actual terrorist

fresh zephyr
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Bungie did a good job at making me hate her

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I remember that whole season every time I'd get any FWC loot I'd just scrap by default

sick yew
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They keep saying that Lakshmi was manipulated by Savathun but ngl that kind of xenophobia dont come out of nowhere

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She was definitely a hater even beforehand

fresh zephyr
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Yes

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Glad she died

sick yew
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Interesting if you consider this was that first and only time that the Vex ever even set foot in the last city or even earth itself I believe

fresh zephyr
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I thought the Vex were on the Cosmodrome back in D1?

sick yew
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Really?

sick yew
fresh zephyr
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I mean I briefly played d1 years ago, but I vaguely remember them being there

sick yew
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To my knowledge earth is super off limits for the Vex cause yk Traveler and light and shit

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The only reason they started the endless night in the first place was because Quria initiated it who was taken and controlled by Savathun

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Pretty sure if youd bring an Vex to the last city id shit itself because of all the light

fresh zephyr
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?

sick yew
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As we know from that one Red War adventure they already get scared shitless if theres even a Guardian around them

sick yew
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They cant calculate it

fresh zephyr
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Is it wrong that I want to see a full scale Vex invasion?

sick yew
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Literally go to Nessus lol

fresh zephyr
sick yew
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Oh

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Yeah you are

fresh zephyr
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:<

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Yer stinky :<<<

sick yew
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This man wishes death upon humanity
Send him to Gambit

fresh zephyr
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How fucking dare you

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All I want is to see the Vex being a major threat for once

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And not in a season too

sick yew
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That is a fair thing tho

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Im happy enough theyre at least the main focus of a season for once

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But writing the Vex is super hard because they work so much better in concept than ingame

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This might change with whats bungie got in store for them this season

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But as of right now you cant write a compelling Vex villain

fresh zephyr
sick yew
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True

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But the issue is that if you make the Vex more "human" you take away from what makes them scary

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The whole idea of the Vex is them being a collective
Their untold numbers and complete lack of emotions or direction besides the goal of total consumption is what makes them scary

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They dont care about time

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Everything thats happened since D1 is like the blink of an eye for their timescale

ember storm
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vex were invading the city in droves during splicer after the endless night was gone

sick yew
ember storm
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Yeah they donā€™t do that

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Theyā€™re absolutely fine

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And the ā€œcanā€™t simulate paracausalityā€ is also a tad inaccurate

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They can simulate it and replicate it on a basic level

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They were doing it while invading oryxā€™s throne world

sick yew
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Then how come theyve never even looked our way

ember storm
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Actually trying to learn how it works scientifically is where theyā€™re dead in the water

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they can run a simulation where a warlock unleashes the absolute power of the sun with a flick of the wrist

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and the only result is going to be the warlock killing everything

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they understand paracausality enough to know its a wasted ventured trying all out war