#📚lore-discussion

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west cloak
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dunno but it’s def post TFS vex since it mentioned the whole thing around its neck

dim minnow
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exactly

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these incidents involve the compelled Vex

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I wonder if they will get an actual Collective name

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like Sol Divisive and Virgo Prohibition

empty fern
eager trout
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How plausible is it to put The Fundamentals, communication device, sleep gas dispenser, scope, grappling hook, smokescreen, whatever is needed for software, and smart ammo into a sidearm?

trim grotto
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Sounds like you're making the MIDA Multi and Mini Tools, but even more mini.

willow dagger
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Omgpepewhy grape

trim grotto
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Still at work I'm afraid but hello Blue

willow dagger
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Omgpepewhy hi

ember storm
eager trout
trim grotto
eager trout
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The scope and grappling hook are going to be attachments because there's no way to fit that inside of it

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It's for a member of the Hidden

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Btw, are the Hidden all Guardians, all normal people, or mixed?

trim grotto
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Off the top of my head, I only know of Eris as a Lightless Hidden. But she was of course a Lightbearer, and was a Hidden then, too.

So I'd say just Guardians, without digging any deeper.

eager trout
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Ok

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I just need to figure out what exactly is "smart ammo"

trim grotto
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I assume ammo that can redirect itself mid flight
Low level tracking

eager trout
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Maybe nanotech ammo that adapts or something but that would require SIVA or something similar which is not legal

eager trout
trim grotto
eager trout
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It's not

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Forsaken time

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At most

trim grotto
eager trout
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Recently as in

trim grotto
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Maybe a year ago

eager trout
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Oh

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Well, I don't think that matters much

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Ok, the sidearm's main thing is applying a debuff (suppress, blind, or scorch)

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But lorewise each element could be used for different things

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Such as Arc being used as a taser, Solar to ignite fires and melt through things, and Void as whatever it does

swift crater
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Can Someone explain the witness to me I thought it was oryx who led the hive to earth empowered by the darkness leading humanity to the collapse but now it’s the witness and his dark fleet?

trim grotto
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We never actually knew what caused the Collapse for a long time. Since... Well, for many years in D2 now, we knew it was the Black Fleet. The Hive are only tangentially related to this.

swift crater
trim grotto
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They also were only possibly there for the Whirlwind, with that theories being largely relegated to an interpretation of a single item description.

swift crater
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I’m confused then because is that not what byf said in his video? From my understanding the hive evolved into the osmium empire due to the word gods then they wanted to use their sword logic which led the to war. They chased the light since it was their anti thesis destroying the fallen which was a civilization under the light. Crota also inadvertently created the vex. Then the fallen chased after the traveler when it fled. Then the hive started attacking humanity and so did the fallen because they wanted to reclaim the traveler?

trim grotto
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I have no idea what Byf said in his video.
However, there are some points you're misunderstanding somewhere along the line.

swift crater
trim grotto
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There is precious little evidence of the Hive being present at the Whirlwind: that being that we found an Eliksni Relic on the Dreadnaught and that's about it. Everything else, including the Eliksni themselves such as Variks, described the Black Fleet alone.

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Similarly, we can say that Hive were on Luna as they were already there during the Collapse, but the Collapse was preformed by the Black Fleet, by and large.

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Oryx never stepped foot in Sol until after his son died, and The Taken King DLC for D1 dropped

swift crater
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I watched his old video then switched to the new one where destiny 1 lore began

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Maybe he updated the story or something

trim grotto
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Crota also didn't create the Vex
Savathûn tricked him into cutting into their dimensional layer, allowing them to invade Oryx's Throne World.

swift crater
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Can you explain the lore from the start for me or recommend somewhere I can read it?

trim grotto
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They existed in our universe prior to this regardless

trim grotto
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;lore

candid inletBOT
trim grotto
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The Ishtar Collective has both 95% of all written lore, and a lore timeline you can browse
The compendium on the subreddit is divided by categories, you may find that helpful

swift crater
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If I just read the previous on destiny willl I be fine

trim grotto
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Byf released a brand new 10 hour video - yes, literally - about Destiny lore from start to end
Never watched it myself, haven't seen his stuff for years

Previously On Destiny hasn't been updated since Witch Queen; but it does give easy to digest overviews of each season and expansion you may have missed. It's a good starting point pick.

swift crater
iron mortar
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he talks in circles a lot, and constantly makes the simplest lore books overly complicated for no reason and stretches it out from like a 8-9 minute watch to like 20-25 minutes

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and doesn't really go into his points very often, and just says "this lore is cool because something something"

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his intro is also kind of like rick kackis and takes forever to start the video

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but he is still an amazing youtuber, and nice guy but I honestly recommened reading the lore yourself and coming here rather than watch his 30-40 minutes exposition dump, however a lot of his old vids are really good though

fresh zephyr
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From my experience, he also tends to take his personal interpretations of vague portions of the lore as fact and states them as such, and has similar issues with his theories about how the story is going to unfold and then he gets angry when it doesn't go as he predicted.

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So he's a decent source, just take everything he says with a grain of salt.

swift crater
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Well I just caught up to shadowkeep from reading the lore

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The beginning of the current campaign starts after shadowkeep correct?

fresh zephyr
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Basically, yes

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Ugh...Going from TFS writing to what's going on in Echoes is painful.

dim minnow
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@broken zephyr

swift crater
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So correct this if anything is wrong but way at the beginning of the story one of the first races the traveler blessed became possessed by greed and sought out the veil which taught them about the light and the darkness and lead them to believe the light was chaos and they needed to tame it through the use of the darkness. However the traveler fled after their attempt which caused them to unite their whole race into a singular being who wanted to create the universe in its own shape by combining the light and the dark. Following this the worm gods were created who served the witness and they eventually facilitated the creation of the hive whose founders were spurred on for revenge by their father’s assasination. Following the establishment of the osmium empire they followed the philosophy of the sword logic where the weak die to the strong. They began to hunt the light under the influence of the witness. They destroyed a civilization under the traveler who later became the fallen. The witness and his black fleet chased the traveler to earth where humanity was decimated in the battle between the light and the dark. The awoken were created from humans fleeing earth during this. As a last ditch effort the traveler created ghost empowering fallen human warriors as light bearers. Eventually humanity regrouped and founded the last city and the vanguard. Eventually you discover traces of hive in moon and kill Crota leading to oryx coming and you kill him. You also kill the fallen later who are empowered by siva. You also help the awoken by killing h the fallen that betrayed them. Then the cabal invade take over the last city and block the traveler light. Then later you beat their leader who tried to become a light god which caused the traveler to awake and kill him. Now that the traveler reawakened the black fleet seem to be back. And later the daughter of Crota tries to avenge him by utilizing nightmares. If there’s anything I missed or misinterpreted lemme know this should be all up to shadowkeep which is where the current campaign will start

empty fern
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Dunno

broken zephyr
dim minnow
# swift crater So correct this if anything is wrong but way at the beginning of the story one o...
  1. I wouldn't say the Witness precursors were greedy, it was moreso a desire for purpose which they found with the Veil.
  2. I wouldn't call what the Hive became the Osmium Empire
  3. Killing Skolas came before Oryx showed up, but after Crota was killed.
  4. Crota had 4 daughters, and they were emboldened by Savathun to raise the Scarlet Keep. Though they have tried to harness Nightmare energy quite a bit.
dim minnow
broken zephyr
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I sure am, rejoice val_Prayge

dim minnow
raw hazel
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How Brave?

dim minnow
swift crater
dim minnow
swift crater
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Didn’t she like flee during the battle with the elicsne because she wanted to be distant from oryx or something

dim minnow
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we don't even know what the Hive's involvement in the Whirlwind was

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or if they had any at all

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only evidence point to it is some King's Fall weapons

swift crater
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Btw how did uldren betray the awoken and why

dim minnow
swift crater
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And is mara sov really dead

swift crater
dim minnow
dim minnow
swift crater
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Ah ok

dim minnow
swift crater
dim minnow
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I think the Tashibethi

swift crater
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Also what’s with the awoken and their prison why don’t they kill these threats instead of just letting them sit there it’s happened time and time again

dim minnow
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it was when Oryx wiped out a civilization called the Harmony and destroyed the Gift Mast (a creation of the Traveler)

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and she left so in her own words: "we may grow different"

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and Xivu Arath left soon after because Oryx had grown too powerful for her to accept

dim minnow
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think of cutthroat politics

swift crater
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😭

dim minnow
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everyone wants to take each other out, but killing your enemy is a liability

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it can leave you vulnerable to someone else

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so why waste resources on killing these enemies when you can have someone else do it

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could be another prisoner within

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prisoners are often forced into gladitorial combat

swift crater
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Hmm sure ig 🤷

dim minnow
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or it could be Guardians looking for rewards

swift crater
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So what were you talking about with uldren and the battle of Saturn

dim minnow
swift crater
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Yup they got overpowered if I recall

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Oryx manifested his throne world

dim minnow
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this battle ended with Oryx using his superweapon which wiped out everything in a huge radius around the Dreadnaught

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that is how his weapon worked

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he takes out a small piece of his Throne World into our world(about the size of an egg) and the result is a devastatijng reaction

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even though Uldren was in the battle, he managed to survive

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his ship crashed on Mars where he would later be captured by the Fallen House of Kings

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their Kell, Craask, would enlist Uldren tohelp him unite the houses

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so Uldren would lead them on raids resulting in the deaths of many Awoken

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the thing about Uldren at this point was that he got corrupted by Darkness energy

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and Riven, who was partially Taken at this time, used this to manipulate Uldren and pretend to be his sister

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Uldren believed he was working for his sister's benefit

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and he started to think that all other Awoken lives were expendable because he believed Mara thought the same way

swift crater
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Mara is dead tho currently right

dim minnow
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because it's a pretty funny answer

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so as I was saying

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Uldren would then discover a dying Fikrul who was fatally wounded by Cayde-6

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Uldren would make a subconcious wish to Riven to save Fikrul's life which resulted in Fikrul becoming the first Scorn

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by Riven mixing some of Uldren's Darkness with Fikrul's Ether

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so then Fikrul would return to the Kings and take them out

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with Fikrul's help

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eventually, Uldren would try and meet up with Petra thinking he could "save" her

swift crater
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Riven is the wish dragon that got turned into a taken by oryx right? And whose fikrul

dim minnow
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only to find out that she is openly working with Guardians and other sort

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so Uldren kind of lost faith in her

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then he would go after some of the remaining Techeuns only to decide that he should turn himself in which is how he ended up in the Prison of Elders

swift crater
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Techeuns?

dim minnow
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Riven was the last known Ahamakra, who was kept imprisoned in the Dreaming City by Mara

dim minnow
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potentially strong enough to threaten a Guardian (like more than most enemies)

dim minnow
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he was an Archon Priest who gained ideas that were heretical to the Fallen

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so they kicked him out and he created the Scorn syndicate

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then he would be mortally wounded by Cayde-6

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right after that, Uldren would find him and unintentionally use Riven's magic to turn Fikrul into the first Scorn

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you knwo what the Scorn are right?

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and it should be mentioned that Fikrul is the main antagonist of the next episode, Revenant

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so we will be seeing him in the near future

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ok, now I think I can finally get to Mara Sov herself

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so, she died at the Battle of Saturn

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then she came back

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then she died a second time between the events of Forsaken and Shadowkeep

swift crater
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Scorn is undying fallen

dim minnow
dim minnow
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like Fikrul

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who has been killed many times

swift crater
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Wait mara survived first time because she created a throne realm but it got corrupted by oryx

dim minnow
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it was an elaborate scheme to steal some of Oryx's power

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she would be trapped on purpose

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then she waited for us to kill Oryx

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then she got some of his power

swift crater
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What a bitch

dim minnow
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the second time she died Eris had to go through quite a bit of hoops to bring her back again

dim minnow
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say what you want about Mara, but she has went out of her way to help us time and time again

swift crater
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She got cayde killed 🥺

dim minnow
swift crater
dim minnow
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she had very little to do with that

swift crater
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I thought using riven wishes had adverse effects which would affect those around

dim minnow
velvet belfry
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yall could rhulk destroy tractor cannon

dim minnow
blazing wasp
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We also owed the awoken big time after they potentially saved the last city

swift crater
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I’m just saying lead uldren down that path and caused it

dim minnow
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if you want a good person to blame, blame Variks

swift crater
dim minnow
swift crater
blazing wasp
dim minnow
dim minnow
swift crater
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It?

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Idk

dim minnow
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who?

swift crater
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Variks

dim minnow
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oh yeah

swift crater
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Didn’t he betray house of wolves

blazing wasp
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Mara chose to attack the house of wolves, who were on their way to attack the last city with other fallen, who barely held the line in the first place

dim minnow
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well Variks' priority is really to the Eliksni

blazing wasp
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Variks had good intentions, but made some really bad choices.

dim minnow
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he believed that Skolas' bitter hatred was not good for the Fallen, so he betrayed him

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fun fact, Variks actually considered switching sides during the House of Wolves DLC

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only for a brief moment though

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as for how Variks killed Cayde

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Variks was the one who caused the Prison of Elders prison break in the first place

languid crater
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What's the lore reason for us ignoring vanguard policy and keeping red death reprised

dim minnow
swift crater
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Oh fuck no uldren is a guardian now?

languid crater
blazing wasp
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different snake, same skin.

velvet belfry
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whats the specific lore behind tractor cannon

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is it just a generic piece of ishtar equipment

blazing wasp
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Guardians when they're brought back dont remember anything of their past life, they're a entierly different person

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with only one exception, they've all grown to be different people

swift crater
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Btw why do the cabal invade earth they don’t seem to be influenced by the darkness is it just that their leader wanted to control the light?

blazing wasp
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some good, some bad

blazing wasp
swift crater
blazing wasp
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then the red legion, their main fleet, found out about the traveler and stuff

blazing wasp
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We're ment to be a "blank slate"

swift crater
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😭

blazing wasp
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hence why we're called the guardian

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ghost is called ghost

swift crater
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🕳

blazing wasp
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why we barely speak, etc

swift crater
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I actually like it when the guardian talks

blazing wasp
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So we can add our own head-canon to it

swift crater
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Sad there isn’t much dialogue

languid crater
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So we keep crimson and red death cus we don't care Abt vanguard laws?

sick yew
sick yew
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Pretty sure half our exotic arsenal belongs in a locked vault instead of our Guardians hands

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Especially the guns made out of or with actual gods infused to them

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Ruinous Effigy is also probably breaking a shit ton of laws

dim minnow
sick yew
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The hell are they gonna do

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Come here Zavala try to take my illegal gun away from me

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Ill turn you into a purple orb

languid crater
fresh zephyr
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It's the same thing with Stasis at first

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Vanguard didn't like it

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But what were they gonna do?

languid crater
fresh zephyr
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Arrest us?

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Like good fucking luck

sick yew
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Even the good guys need good guns

languid crater
sick yew
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And some good guns are bad

languid crater
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There's tons of guardians

sick yew
languid crater
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Surely we are arrestable

sick yew
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We are literally the chosen bro

languid crater
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🤔

sick yew
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Young wolf, Hero of the Red War, Avenger of Cayde, savior of Osiris (multiple times, negotiator (with Caiatl), Hero to the Eliksni, feared by the Vex

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The list goes on

languid crater
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Hero to the eliksni lmfao

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Don't half of them hate us

fresh zephyr
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We're literally the single most powerful Guardian that exists.

sick yew
sick yew
languid crater
sick yew
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Ikora doesnt really do much beside cheat herself two novabombs from time to time

languid crater
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Hacker wtf

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Bungie gotta ban her

sick yew
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Yeah shes been doing it since Red War but hasnt gotten banned yet

swift crater
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Shadowkeep is currently playable right

sick yew
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Yeah

fresh zephyr
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Even Ikora. There's a lore tab from Witch where we talk with Savathun about the way into the Traveler. Ikora gets pissed off at her and threatens her, and Savathun just laughs because she didn't see Ikora as a threat. Then the Guardian reminds Savathun that they are in the room and she shuts up immediately.

sick yew
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Lmfao

languid crater
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Guardian killed oryx so she probably pretty terrified

sick yew
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Guardian also killed her lol

fresh zephyr
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That's the one

broken relic
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God I miss energy accelerant

blazing wasp
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We're strong in the way we're adaptive, and really fucking good at fighting dirty

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I mean really

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No sand in the eye bullshit

fresh zephyr
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I mean, it's been noted that our Guardian is 'abnormally powerful' in other lore tabs. There's no reason to think we're weaker than Ikora in terms of power

blazing wasp
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We're "beating something hundreds of times more powerful than us" good at fighting dirty

blazing wasp
broken relic
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We miraculously know all the specific steps to navigate the most dangerous places in the solar system and the specific weaknesses of the mightiest foes in existence

blazing wasp
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Different, but important

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Because iirc nobody has that except us, genuine talent

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With the light and dark

languid crater
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Why don't we just lead the vanguard then

fresh zephyr
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I mean, that translates to power, because it's been established that 'power levels' for Guardians don't actually exist. It's just a matter of ability.

blazing wasp
broken relic
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That doesn’t translate to leadership skills

languid crater
blazing wasp
broken relic
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Not in a million years

languid crater
blazing wasp
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We're a fucking decade old and not much more

languid crater
broken relic
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Also our talents would be completely wasted at a desk

blazing wasp
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We're a new light by guardian standards

fresh zephyr
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I mean, Crow is like 3

blazing wasp
languid crater
broken relic
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Crow has the memories of the pretty experienced Uldren

blazing wasp
languid crater
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Sometimes it's tough being the best

broken relic
languid crater
blazing wasp
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We systematically starved a hive god almost to death, who had previously decimated civilization vastly more powerful, then beat him up

languid crater
blazing wasp
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We didnt just square up and fight oryx, we first got him so weak he was in the process of starving to death

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Then brought 5 other guardians

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Then basically stole magic thermonuclear bombs

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And detonated them in his face

broken relic
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Imagine if Goku was forced to take the position of President

fresh zephyr
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True, but our Guardian isn't an idiot. They were the one to realize the pattern in Savathun's wings represented a wish, for example.

languid crater
languid crater
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Yessir

blazing wasp
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a bumbling idiot cant do that

languid crater
blazing wasp
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oh yeah we're also lucky

languid crater
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I mean

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Kinda

sharp osprey
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so i finally got the traveler collectibles for the khvostov quest tonight, and there is some real juicy traveler lore there

sick yew
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Thats what im saying

sharp osprey
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specifically the revelation that the traveler is not really a god

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it seems like (if they're real) the only true gods in Destiny's universe are the gardener and the winnower

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the traveler is just a being of immense power related to those two

fresh zephyr
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They are really interesting

languid crater
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What Abt the worm gods

fresh zephyr
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And the Gardener/Winnower stuff has basically been confirmed by the new ship lore

sick yew
sharp osprey
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but the traveler is not the capital G God we all previously thought it was

languid crater
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Worm gods deff have god like powers

sharp osprey
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the worm gods were subordinate to rhulk and the witness

languid crater
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So what's the witness

sick yew
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Most strike bosses have the "godlike power" of making themselves immune so really its kinda hard to define whats considered a god in Destiny

languid crater
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Is witness a god

sick yew
sharp osprey
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the witness is another lowercase g god

sick yew
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It just comes down to personal interpretation

languid crater
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☠️

fresh zephyr
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Worm Gods aren't really gods though. They are basically in the same class of being as Ahamkara, and they just got juiced up the Hive's constant tithing.

languid crater
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Witness is kind of a noob

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He just dies

sharp osprey
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i mean i'm taking this from what zavala says, he says something like "the traveler is not a god like we all thought it was"

sick yew
broken relic
sharp osprey
languid crater
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I didn't know the thing had pronouns

sick yew
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The Witness outright refers to themselves as "us" or "we"

fresh zephyr
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I'm still going with the Traveler and the Veil being pieces of the Garden

languid crater
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"us"

sick yew
fresh zephyr
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Yeah, but everyone else calls it an 'it'.

sharp osprey
languid crater
sick yew
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Literally watch the cutscene my man

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That one really aint hard to figure out lmfao

sharp osprey
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for the last time guardian, our pronouns are it/its, not because we're non-binary, but because we're literally billions of mfs

sick yew
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Yeah

fresh zephyr
sick yew
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Its not even a debate really the witness is "they" in the most literal sense possible

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Multiples

fresh zephyr
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So it's definitely not friendly and seems more aligned with the Winnower.

grand jungle
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Tenno vs guardians who would win?

sharp osprey
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powerscaling trollge

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whoever the writer decides is who wins

sick yew
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Most based reply ever written

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Here take some ether

fresh zephyr
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Indeed.

sick yew
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!feed @sharp osprey

dense pikeBOT
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feeding hegemon11 51 units of ether

sharp osprey
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thank

languid crater
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Villians wiki says one of witnesses crimes is gaslighting lmfao

sharp osprey
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i just quote the legend stan lee himself

fresh zephyr
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'Oh, no, not my sedimentary necrolite, fossilized in time.'

sharp osprey
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does ether do anything lol

fresh zephyr
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I'm still curious about what exactly the Winnower is talking about here.

grand jungle
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Lore accurate guardians vs lore accurate tennos?

sharp osprey
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lore accuracy is determined by the writers

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who also determine who wins

broken relic
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Boring answer

fresh zephyr
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True though

sharp osprey
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powerscaling is boring

fresh zephyr
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It's kind of a pointless question

sick yew
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There is no "lore accurate" guardian
They win in the lore or they lose in the lore

fresh zephyr
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Since their systems of power work on entirely different dynamics

sick yew
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Powerscaling outside of the established canon or crossovers is boring as hell

fresh zephyr
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Tenno pull shit from the Void or whatever, while Guardians have Light and Darkness.

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Which power wins?

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No way of telling

sharp osprey
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people get too wrapped up in canon and lore accuracy that they forget that its a media franchise with power levels built around plot

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but yes, kirby solos

languid crater
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Multiple timelines and in some we win and some we lose

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We play in the one we win

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Ez game

broken relic
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Technically speaking, it’s the same principle as writing fan fiction just with power

sick yew
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You can make an ant win against god if you so want it to be
The writer is in complete control of the story

broken relic
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Like if you wrote a fan fiction of Goku and Superman where Superman called Goku a slur and ran away crying despite being the writer it wouldn’t be accepted

sick yew
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Unique example

languid crater
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I think bro likes goku

broken relic
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Similarly if you wrote a fan fiction of an ant beating god it would also not be accepted

fresh zephyr
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Biggest issue is characters like Superman have no set power levels

broken relic
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The writers may decide these but you aren’t the writer so you can only guess

fresh zephyr
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In some storylines, they can be fairly easily killed and aren't ultra powerful

languid crater
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Literally beats him with a kryptonite spear

sharp osprey
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all this to say that power levels are secondary to storytelling and should generally only be used in service of said plot

fresh zephyr
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In others, they are basically immortal and can blow up planets just by flying away

broken relic
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Of course, but the person debating the powerscaling isn’t the writer so they can scrutinize it all they want

sick yew
sharp osprey
sick yew
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If I write the story im the writer

sharp osprey
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the only acceptable powerscaling is kirby being the most powerful fictional being

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cuz it funny

broken relic
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That is true

sick yew
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So anyway back to d2 lore lmao

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Who will help me manifest Variks back into the story for Episode 2

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yeah, the micah-10 visions are sick

fresh zephyr
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Isn't Variks already confirmed?

sharp osprey
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i think variks was shown in the ending montage

fresh zephyr
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Pretty sure we saw him in the trailer

sick yew
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He is shown next to Spider looking at a projection of Fikrul yes

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So my hopes are rising

sharp osprey
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i think thats a confirmation

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variks is cool

fresh zephyr
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I wonder if he'll finally bite it

sharp osprey
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bite what?

fresh zephyr
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Death

sick yew
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Die

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And he better fucking not

sharp osprey
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oh

sick yew
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A universe without Variks is not one I am willing to let live

sharp osprey
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never heard that expression for death

sick yew
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bite the dust

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bite it

sharp osprey
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oh

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i'm a dumbass

fresh zephyr
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bite the bullet

sick yew
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ye

sharp osprey
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never heard just "bite it" tho, whatever

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variks is a destination vendor, he wont die

fresh zephyr
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looks at Amanda

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looks at Cayde

sharp osprey
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those guys werent destination vendors

broken relic
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Tower vendors they don’t count

fresh zephyr
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They were vendors though

broken relic
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Also what did Amanda do I don’t even remember visiting her ever

sharp osprey
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unless they give elsie all of variks's stuff

fresh zephyr
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She was for ships and sparrows

sharp osprey
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i need elsie to be relevant in the story again

fresh zephyr
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That's probably what they'd do if they killed him off

broken relic
fresh zephyr
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Considering her whole Vex thing

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Im surprised they didn't use her for this season

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Would've been so much better than listening to Failsafe

sharp osprey
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facts

sick yew
broken relic
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Yes but also no

empty fern
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Why are we biting?

sick yew
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Im adding a new rule to the server

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No failsafe slander

broken relic
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Failsafe forever

fresh zephyr
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Pfft

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Failsafe is blegh. Nimbus tier character.

empty fern
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Banned

broken relic
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Death

sharp osprey
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failsafe isnt as bad as nimbus now, come on

empty fern
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Negated even

broken relic
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Forever lost in the corridors of time

empty fern
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Maybe even, expulsions

fresh zephyr
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Nah, she is. Both of them are cringe comic relief characters that fuck up the tone of the narrative.

sick yew
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We are sending this man into the Gorgon maze
May he be removed from this timeline

raw hazel
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Sorry Ambient, your lore nerd card has been revoked

empty fern
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May he not know the path

broken relic
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Oh great machine please smite this heretic

fresh zephyr
sharp osprey
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failsafe has made me exhale out of my nose a few times, nimbus just made me crave sweet death

empty fern
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Oh yea, any update on the raid lore?

fresh zephyr
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What aspect of it?

sharp osprey
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is herald really taniks

empty fern
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That too

broken relic
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Well is he

fresh zephyr
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Nah, different models, just similar.

sick yew
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Maybe d2 vanilla you can make the argument but they turned her around

fresh zephyr
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rofl

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They changed her lore on that

empty fern
sick yew
fresh zephyr
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The 'happy' personality is now a 'politeness filter'.

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Not a second personality

sick yew
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What

broken relic
sick yew
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Shes a failsafe ai for an exodus ship of course shes programmed to be polite

broken relic
fresh zephyr
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'She should at least reply, Failsafe figured. She sighed internally and routed power toward the dusty rack housing her array of socialization filters and etiquette protocols. She winced as currents crackled across the worn cables—! LOW POWER ALERT: 4% !—but soon an ancient platter drive whirred to life.

Failsafe initiated a response. "Hey," she dictated. "Yeah, if you want to help Guardians play dress-up, you can have some of my old stuff."

Her filter happily translated Failsafe's thoughts into a form it calculated was more acceptable to the recipient.

"Bonjour, Ada-unit!" the filter typed cheerfully. "Your dedication to Guardian aesthetics is quite commendable! Your request has been approved! ^_^"

empty fern
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I want some of the old stuff, failsafe where is my exodus fashion

fresh zephyr
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There's a world of difference between having a split personality, and having one personality that basically gets censored by a program.

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But either way

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It's not her lore that I take issue with

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Her character is just annoying to me

sharp osprey
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if failsafe was the more blunt failsafe all of the time she'd be a lot better

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happy failsafe is kind of annoying

broken relic
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Nah she’s a girlfailure I love her

sharp osprey
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anywho, why has efrideet not been a part of the story since rise of iron

fresh zephyr
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She showed up some in D2 didn't she?

sharp osprey
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not that i know of

sick yew
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Physically I dont think so no

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Dova once had a theory that she actually died

sharp osprey
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there has been some lore entries referencing her doings since RoI i think

sick yew
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There was a sidearm loretab back in god knows when

empty fern
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We DO have an ingame model tho, think back in d1 for a cutscene (may have just been the armor set)

sick yew
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Oh yeah

empty fern
sharp osprey
fresh zephyr
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That's what I was thinking of I guess

empty fern
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The bar scene
Pacifist colony
That’s all I know

sick yew
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@dim minnow I call upon the lore man
Have we heard anything from Efrideet in recent times or is that sidearm loretab you once theorized could detail her death still on the table?

sharp osprey
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i was kind of hoping she'd be the iron banner handler again after saladin became a cabal but noooo

fresh zephyr
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The old doubts came back when the Light went out.
But the iron in her bones, worn and rusted as it was, never buckled.
The Light was gone, but holding a sniper rifle still felt right.
She marched into the City beneath a refugee's hood, took up a roost in the building with the white rabbit, and killed 216 Cabal with 199 bullets.
She cried when the Traveler woke before her eyes.
At her hip a radio blinked to life. It had gone quiet when the Red Legion attacked. She answered it with trembling fingers.
"I know," she said. "I can see it. I can feel it."
"Even the stars are brighter now," said the voice over the radio. "The whole cosmos is ablaze."
She closed her eyes. "I can't wait to see it. I'm coming home. Efrideet out."

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Imma be real I completely forgot she actually existed idk

fresh zephyr
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She never lost her Ghost

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That's just talking about when Ghaul caged the Traveler

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And everyone lost their Light

sick yew
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Whats Shayura up to these days btw

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Havent kept up with her lore in a hot minute

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Last thing I remember she was in rehab

sharp osprey
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isnt shayura the anti-darkness guardian

empty fern
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Yea we do have in game scene

fresh zephyr
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Last lore we had on Shayura was from Wish

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And she had lunch with Aisha and Sloane

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And talked about Reed dying

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So i was reading some of the seasonal (episodic?) armor lore

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We need to get failsafe a fish

empty fern
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Oh my

broken relic
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Once again the Exo gets fridged smh

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Who will help me

empty fern
fresh zephyr
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What's funny is that out of the whole fireteam

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His Ghost was the only one that got killed

broken relic
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Exactly

vagrant bridge
empty fern
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Maybe one day

fresh zephyr
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Like the Witness was basically going 'Fuck you in particular'

empty fern
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For now, plants and jewels

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On a related note, what was the specimen we picked up for this week supposed to be?

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It just looks like three motes connected together

empty fern
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Is it on the left side?

vagrant bridge
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I think it's dead center in the back but I can't remember

empty fern
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Ah, not sure then, haven’t done it bulbasip

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I remember it's three white glowing pyramids connected by three yellow line

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Forming a triangle

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empty fern
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Send pic

vagrant bridge
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I'll see if I can find one

sick yew
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Idk if she is still

broken relic
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Cayde, Saint (formerly), Felwinter, a bunch more I can’t think of right now, now Reed, if you’re an important Exo guardian count your days big Awoken/Human is coming for you

sick yew
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Ranking Felwinter next to normal ass Exo units is wild

broken relic
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Shhh

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fresh zephyr
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Fortunately, my Exo Guardian has the greatest power money can buy. Plot armor.

empty fern
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Looks like more jewelry?

vagrant bridge
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It could be but I feel like it's something else

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Which reminds me, why are we finding jewelry on nessus?

empty fern
sick yew
broken relic
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Cayde redied

empty fern
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empty fern
fresh zephyr
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I kinda wish we'd gotten the original ending

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fresh zephyr
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Not so Cayde could live

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Fuckin love failsafe

empty fern
sick yew
fresh zephyr
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Just because we could rez our Ghost and basically be like 'Yeah, we're god'.

broken relic
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Can I make Failsafe a ring 🥺

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empty fern
fresh zephyr
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'Sorry Zavala, Targe is in pieces, can't do anything about that.'

vagrant bridge
empty fern
broken relic
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Anyways Big Awoken controls 2/3rds of the Vanguard while Exo don’t have any

fresh zephyr
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Oh I like the ending we got

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Plus it kinda undermines any plot points if you're just permanently immortal

sick yew
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Definitely cool though

vagrant bridge
broken relic
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Who are the important Guardians/former guardians now anyways

sick yew
sick yew
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empty fern
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empty fern
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Hmmm

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Then trailers really did for shadow a little bit

vagrant bridge
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Oh fuck you're right

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Yk what

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At least for once Bungie didn't spoil the main plot points with its marketing

fresh zephyr
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Nice

broken relic
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Zavala - Awoken
Ikora - Human
Crow - Awoken
Osiris - Human
Saladin - Human
Eris - Human
Drifter - Human
Saint-14 - Exo

fresh zephyr
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I still wish we'd gotten the scenes from the original reveal trailer

broken relic
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All these humans taking our jobs

empty fern
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Dude, remember when we all thought Zavala was dying before release? Even probably warned a person for them saying it during downtime

broken relic
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And the Awoken controlling the vanguard I tell you

sick yew
broken relic
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Not a guardian doesn’t count

sick yew
fresh zephyr
fast tapir
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Ana Bray?

sick yew
broken relic
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I’d have to count Mara too then which balances it out

fast tapir
empty fern
empty fern
sick yew
fast tapir
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just listing names

fresh zephyr
fast tapir
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i see list of names

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i want to add

sick yew
fresh zephyr
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And that one in particular

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I was looking forward to body horror

fast tapir
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im a shrimple man

sick yew
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Micah-10

fast tapir
broken relic
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Fair

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empty fern
# fresh zephyr

Think this was from early concept art? Of the witness pulling an Attack on Titan and becoming a wall?

fresh zephyr
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Could be

sick yew
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I sanction that each reset an exo has in their name should counted as an individual

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if we cant win we cheat

empty fern
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Speaking of concept art

sick yew
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Banshee-44 easy
Exo win

empty fern
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Someone post the early concept art of the witness for final shape

empty fern
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fast tapir
sick yew
empty fern
fresh zephyr
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Bungie posted a bunch of stuff

vagrant bridge
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Man I keep almost calling final shape lightfall

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Idk why

empty fern
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It should be officially released

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And also scrapped concept art

vagrant bridge
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Maybe it's because I wish lightfall was the same quality

broken relic
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I still don’t know what they were thinking when they designed the witness’s face

fresh zephyr
fast tapir
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one scary mf 😭

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i mean

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the white smoke is cool too

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ig

sick yew
vagrant bridge
empty fern
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Oh found the Reddit link

fresh zephyr
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Only thing I dislike about the Witness design

sick yew
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Btw fellas

fresh zephyr
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Is the unibrow

sick yew
empty fern
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Pain

fast tapir
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huh theres a sweeper bot plant thing

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i didnt see it at all

sick yew
sick yew
fast tapir
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ah

fresh zephyr
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Anyways

empty fern
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Same spot as the red war OwO

fresh zephyr
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Looking at r/Destinylore

empty fern
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Don’t anyways, I’m dragging you to media

fresh zephyr
#

The sheer amount of Winnower stuff is hilarious

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One piece of ship lore

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And the game changes

fast tapir
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byf got them all riled up

fresh zephyr
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Did Byf do a video about the ship?

fast tapir
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he did a video about

vagrant bridge
fresh zephyr
#

I know he did a Winnower video before it came out

fast tapir
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a lot

fresh zephyr
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That was the Winnower

vagrant bridge
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Huh

fast tapir
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https://youtu.be/ZL7yq7hXNGY?si=U2IBiRKwd9A7H1uO

YouTube
My name is Byf
Destiny 2 Lore - IT EXISTS! The Winnower is REAL! The Witness' Trut...

Destiny 2's Lore and Story from The Final Shape has confirmed that the Winnower, the long mythologised true entity of Darkness, is real. The Witness confirmed that it is not the Winnower & that it was instead its "First Knife." The Winnower & The Gardener's Mythology can be better contextualised with this statement alone, and we perhaps now unde...

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fresh zephyr
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Yeah that one

fast tapir
#

ITS REAL ITS REAL

broken relic
fresh zephyr
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That was from before the ship lore came out

fast tapir
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surely!!

vagrant bridge
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Mfw my light fades away

fast tapir
broken relic
fresh zephyr
#

It was leaked earlier

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But there were no legit sources

fast tapir
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i mean it is in collections

fresh zephyr
#

It wasn't originally

vagrant bridge
fresh zephyr
#

The lore tab was glitched and didn't show

fast tapir
#

The First Knife right?

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or another

fresh zephyr
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Nacre is the ship

vagrant bridge
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"after the witness imprisons the winnower in the campaign you free it"

fast tapir
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oh that ship

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i see i see

vagrant bridge
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"you kill the witness by helping the winnower damage it"

fresh zephyr
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Oh that old stuff.

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Yeah

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Honestly might've been cool

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But I think what we got is awesome

fresh zephyr
#

Indeed.

broken relic
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The Winnower is a goth girl with a pair of scissors that cuts off the Witnesses head

vagrant bridge
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What would've happened if nobody completed the raid in 48 hours

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Would the witness win

sick yew
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Yes

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Destiny ends

empty fern
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Dunno

fresh zephyr
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Probably just would've went to normal

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Would've been hilarious

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fresh zephyr
fast tapir
#

where is starhorse live fortnite event

sick yew
#

Pretty sure Raid race isnt technically tied to contest mode so the first team probably still would have won
Or maybe bungie extends contest

fast tapir
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its just dares of eternity

sick yew
#

We shall never know

broken relic
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fast tapir
fresh zephyr
#

Also

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Shit you know what

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Do we know what calibers we actually still have post collapse?

fresh zephyr
#

Speaking of the leaks, it was kind of hilarious watching the people who datamined TFS once the download was done spread all sorts of misinfo that pissed everyone in those subs and channels off.

vagrant bridge
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Clearly 12.7 (.50 cal) still exists, otherwise banshee probably wouldn't know about it

empty fern
#

Calibers? We have omelon suros and hakke

vagrant bridge
#

Real

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Fuck at some point I'm just gonna do a deep dive on what caliber every gun in destiny is

empty fern
#

Hand cannon moment

fast tapir
#

that would be awesome

fresh zephyr
#

They kept telling everyone there was no new information about the Traveler, that the Witness confirmed the Winnower didn't exist and that Unveiling was all lies and a bunch of other stuff. The meltdown was epic.

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Some of them are at least obvious

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There's a lot that are just straight up copies of real guns

fresh zephyr
#

I'm so glad they actually answered questions though. The confirmation of the Winnower alone makes sense of a lot of lore.

sick yew
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With the difference that all handcannons in destiny are technically a magazine

empty fern
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Cold heart lore my beloved

fresh zephyr
#

Better question is

vagrant bridge
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Old Sterling for example is absolutely an AK variant, so it's probably either 7.62x39 or 5.45x39

fresh zephyr
#

Why don't we just transmat ammo into the chamber

broken relic
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The Winnower tied up so much lore so well in such a cool and unique way when I heard they retconned them I was legitimately pissed

fresh zephyr
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Instead of doing manual reloads

empty fern
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And also some gameplay elements like reload

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fresh zephyr
#

But they presumably saw the backlash and kept it

vagrant bridge
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Shit I'm actually gonna make that a personal project
I'm gonna find the caliber of every (primary) gun in destiny

sick yew
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I feel like we can safely assume all light GLs are 40mm

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Since their magazines actually show you the rounds in question

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Or I could measure bore diameter and compare that to real world examples

sick yew
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Everything else is basically a drum mag

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Which is still funny to me

broken relic
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When do we get a .600 Nitro Express Heavy Hand Cannon

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"the blaster"

sick yew
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lol

vagrant bridge
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0 stability, no stock and no ADS

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I kind of hope we get a Spartan laser-esque heavy weapon eventually

broken relic
fresh zephyr
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Like a cross between a rocket launcher and LFR

broken relic
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I wish they added more to 30th anniversary tbh

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But I get that it's just a fun celebration dlc

broken relic
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When I heard about the heavy trace rifle I thought that was what it would have been

fresh zephyr
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I wonder if they'll do something special for the 10th

broken relic
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Forerunner should have a buffed version of explosive payload

empty fern
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Someone says star horse and 30th is canon now that the witness uses its treasure in one of the memory bits

broken relic
fresh zephyr
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It's always been canon

broken relic
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Definitely hoping we’re getting ice breaker but what else

fresh zephyr
sick yew
#

Supercell

broken relic
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#

What wasnt real?

empty fern
fast tapir
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i would never take it off

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people just say

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use risk runner!!

fresh zephyr
#

No Land Beyond comes to mind

fast tapir
#

ITS NOT

#

the same

fresh zephyr
#

Zhalo could come back since Red Death did

fast tapir
broken relic
#

Were the class exclusive guns any good I’ve only heard about the warlock one

empty fern
fast tapir
#

tlaloc was okay in pve

#

fabian was garbage

empty fern
#

Oh khovostov, they combined it with zhalo

vagrant bridge
#

Yk what
I'm honestly glad lightfall came before this, it only seems right to end the light and dark trilogy on the seventh year of Destiny 2

sick yew
#

I mean bungie is no stranger to changing the guns functionalities

fast tapir
#

oh yeah

#

for sure

sick yew
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They could bring Zhalos back and change it in some way

empty fern
fresh zephyr
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I just wish they hadn't fucked LF up so badly

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And it hadn't take the game nearly dying for them to put out something decent

vagrant bridge
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Of course I thought the same about red death but I was completely wrong

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Literally a thriving metropolis

empty fern
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Y’all think first curse could be a pick? Would be same as last time (whatever it did)

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But the civilians are all fucking holograms

fresh zephyr
#

Supposedly the original take for Neomuna

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Was that we get there too late

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sick yew
#

Neomuna is just VR Chat the city

fresh zephyr
#

And the Cabal had murdered everyone

#

But they thought that was 'too dark' for Destiny

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I've seen so many people expecting it to be a secret exotic

fresh zephyr
#

So they came up with the CloudArk

broken relic
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Like legitimately what the hell were they thinking how did any of that make it into the game

fast tapir
empty fern
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fresh zephyr
#

Yeah, exactly

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Like

empty fern
#

Indeed

fresh zephyr
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You're calling the DLC 'Lightfall'!

empty fern
#

I should use last word again bulbasip

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Light should fall!!!!

fresh zephyr
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You compared it to Infinity War!

sick yew
fresh zephyr
#

Make it fucking Dark

sick yew
#

Like the mf Gambit Prime lore

vagrant bridge
broken relic
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Red War did have a lot of people die and that was Y1

empty fern
sick yew
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They didnt really bring much attention to that tho
Ghost literally goes "damn they didnt make it" and moves on

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A huge opportunity to really shake up the player

fresh zephyr
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I think the darkest DLC we got

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Was probably ROI

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empty fern
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Fors?

fresh zephyr
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With the Iron Lords getting puppeted and making noises

empty fern
sick yew
fresh zephyr
#

SIVA used their corpses

empty fern
#

Hmmm

fast tapir
broken relic
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SIVAAAAAAA ❤️🖤❤️🖤❤️🖤❤️🖤❤️

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So were they just plain dead or were they still conscious at all

fresh zephyr
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No one knows

empty fern
#

Siva mentioned, must post

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fresh zephyr
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They left it vague

empty fern
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Also

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Imagine thinking you'll get a peaceful release but then your body gets puppeted by a bunch of nanomachines

fast tapir
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lmao

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d1 is fun

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i still have a gazillion strange coins and three of coins to use

empty fern
#

Did they confirm felwinter was an exo in d1?

Cause all the zombies used similar models but were human or fleshy looking

(But there’s also this theory of flesh grafting)

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It's $40 on Xbox though, they won't let me just buy the base game

fresh zephyr
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I honestly can't remember

fast tapir
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base game alone is not worth it

fresh zephyr
#

But I think they did

empty fern
fast tapir
#

cant even patrol zones man

sick yew
fast tapir
#

no plaguelands patrol

#

no dreadnaught

fresh zephyr
#

Because I vaguely recall Feltwiter and that other Warlock

#

Going to braytech

empty fern
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Wait

fresh zephyr
#

Yeah

empty fern
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Was felwinter helm ind1? We got the artifacts too

fresh zephyr
#

He was confirmed an Exo

sick yew
empty fern
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fast tapir
empty fern
vagrant bridge
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#

oh

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Tone doesn't convey well through discord unfortunately

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empty fern
fresh zephyr
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Well, ROI was made by the live team, which was like a few dozen people at the time

#

So they probably did take shortcuts here and there

empty fern
#

Indie company DlC CATGRIN

fresh zephyr
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And still one of the better ones from D1

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And D2 for that matter

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Vanilla D2 was good

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I'm talking more like CoO, Warmind, SK, LF and so on

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SK?

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red war was fun

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Shadowkeep

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Shadowkeep

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Oh

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Oh my god I forgot shadowkeep trollge

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What the fuck

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Most people do

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yeah makes sense

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its not exactly the most memorable thing

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Red War was honestly what convinced me to keep playing destiny

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My mind kept going to KF

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double primary was NOT fun tho

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everything else?

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And then I learned about the lore and now it's been a complete time sink

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Red War had it's low points storywise

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massive

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But they did a great job installing a sense of scale

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That scene where you road the tunnel into the Almighty, with the sun in the background and that music blarring...

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Wooo

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Journey is just so good

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He slammed

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Vuvuzuela

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And then the scene with the Traveler waking up

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And the first look at the Pyramids

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Asher my beloved bulbasip

He was my first sunshot

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That too

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Maybe?

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I dont know

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I never played any of them

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I really hope they bring back the red war mission playlist

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Couldn't be bothered to

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Journey got me through so many late night essays

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Yes

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this is my favorite mission

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being that close to the sun was so cool

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wait what

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Also the traveler shard subclass unlock missions were very epic

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D1 warmind pvp map, (like jav 4 but different)

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Smh my head

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Guardians make their own fate so both

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Or neither CATGRIN

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I would say they might bring some back eventually

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But I think they'll just use Frontiers as the new 'starting point' for new players

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Especially if it's about leaving Sol

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Frontiers as a Mass Effect style rpg so I can romance Failsafe please

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Sorry, best Bungie can do is romancing a random Cabal.

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Or Hive.

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Been there done that

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Luzaku my queen ❤️

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Technically, we've been courting Dul Incaru for a while now

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How so

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To Hive, killing each other is love

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And we've been constantly murdering her for like 7 years

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What about