📚lore-discussion

[trim grotto]

Possibly still around. His method of revival was unclear at best even before the Traveler did its thing.

Maybe Sav can re-curse his body or something, that'd be handy

[glacial lake]

I think his final dialog to us upon death eludes to his return. It's implied that as long as their is suffering and fear in the universe, he will be around to feed and grow on it

And maybe that's where savathun comes in to do her usual witch queen bullshit to accident or purposefully bring him back

I doubt she'd even want to bring back Nezarec, I don't think she can beat or control him. But it could happen.

[frigid sparrow]

Savathun putting a bomb inside nezarec's neck like Amanda Waller

[stark fjord]

Can someone explain the fellwinter thing

I get he’s an exo

But did he used to be human

Or did like

Did Rasputin get an empty exo

And like

Kinned it

😭

I know his story and all

What I don’t get is

[trim grotto]

dude, this could all be a single message

[stark fjord]

Did the Traveller Resurect a robot essentially

[stark fjord]

By all means

Pls

😭

[trim grotto]

...I mean you sent 11 messages instead of one to ask this question

[stark fjord]

I’m like that

There’s no need to question it

😬

[trim grotto]

Felwinter was unique. Apart from Rasputin himself (and the Clovis AI) during Season of the Seraph, Felwinter was the only known AI inserted into an Exobody.

Felwinter was a type of submind created by Rasputin to live amongst, study, and learn from, humanity.

As such, yes. Felspring resurrected a purely artificial intelligence. However, when you think about it, it really isn't so strange.

Exo are copies of human mindscans, uploaded into a mobile Exobody frame. They are a copy of a scan of a brain, twice removed from the flesh and blood.
If an AI were "human" enough, how tangible truly is the difference?

[stark fjord]

👀

Thank u ❤️, it was a bit confusing for me ur the best

[trim grotto]

Happy to be of assistance.

[vernal isle]

i love O14 so much

i love this season

'episode' whatever

[lofty badge]

Is there any lore behind Calus's pyramid Flagship? Like how long it took to make, where was it could and etc

[ember storm]

It wouldn’t have been constructed to begin with and it wouldn’t be at any particular place

It’s pyramid tech that Calus just customized to his own tastes

The pyramids adhere completely to to the whims of their masters

[lofty badge]

True so a Pyramid ship that just shapeshifted into how Calus wanted it to look

[analog salmon]

What do we now know about the Winnower that we did not know before TFS release?

any hints we might fight Winnower in the Frontiers expanson or no?

[ember storm]

Literally nothing

[analog salmon]

I guess I was interested to know if the Winnower is malicious towards us, or without The Witness we see it as more of a neutral entity.

[ember storm]

We have no indication one way or the other that it even exists

We have as much insight as we did when unveiling released

All we know is that the witness has now directly referenced the concepts described in unveiling

[chrome fog]

Which itself might be it being an edgelord

[versed sierra]

what the flip is The Gardener

[gentle geyser]

The Traveler

/in other terms physical representation of life

[versed sierra]

so presumably the winnower is the direct opposition of the traveller therefore

[willow dagger]

Orange

[gentle geyser]

The winnower most likely doesn’t exist and is purely made up from the witness

[glacial lake]

Plot twist: the witness was just schizophrenic and there's no such thing as the winnower as well as the final shape

[gentle geyser]

Considering that the final shape is real and it almost happened at the very beginning of the campaign, maybe the schizo is onto something

[ember storm]

I mean

that’s literally the point

the final shape is a concept with like a million interpretations

the witness is just one said interpretation trying to force the rest of the universe to follow

that doesn’t make them correct in any capacity

it’s literally just forcing your ideology onto everyone else and killing everyone who disagrees

[plush wren]

Question about the last fight with the witness. Isn't savathun quite literally useless? When eris killed her as a hive she lost all and any power she had so her presence in the fight had little to no impact

[versed sierra]

the hive, for example, have a different interpretation of The Final Shape

[ember storm]

Savathun had not been using her hive god powers since getting the light

It was sitting there inside her with nobody to use or take it

Eris killing her that time transferred all said power (which wasn’t being used)

Savathun is doing everything else with the light

[plush wren]

Yeah but she still used teleportation, making clones etc

[ember storm]

That’s light

[plush wren]

Really? I didn't think so... Thanks

[ember storm]

Blinking and osiris echoes

[versed sierra]

in The First Knife ship lore - it mentions that Ikora asks the traveller a question (though it doesn’t reply)

Has the traveller… ever replied? helped? Besides giving the light etc?

[ember storm]

Also you don’t need hive god powers to use basic hive magic

Eris does it all the time

[plush wren]

Yeah but she was one of the hive gods. When eris killer her Ikora said that millennias of lies, deceit and something else all transferred to eris

[ember storm]

it wasn’t directly related to her powers of being a god

that’s not what the point was

[versed sierra]

okay just thinking about this

if the winnower didn’t exist, why would the witness exist?

[ember storm]

her nature as a hive god just means that billions of hive were constantly feeding her tribute to give her more power

[ember storm]

the witness invented the winnower as a concept

what they’re referring to as the winnower is the question

[plush wren]

Oh ok... Since the season of the witch I am EXTREMELY lost with the hive, especially savathun and xivu

[ember storm]

whether it even exists in any capacity is also debatable

[cobalt mica]

who is the herald

[raw hazel]

A fair few times, honestly. The visions during the Red War to gain our Light back, moving debris from the Almighty away from the Last City, moving away from the City when Eramis was arming the warsats- Not to even mention all the pretty direct help while inside the Pale Hearts to fight the Witness.

[versed sierra]

Hally my favourite tangerine

[raw hazel]

🍊

[modern finch]

Saw a comment that suggested that our Guardians canon-death has already been baked into the story.

I thought it was just one of the timelines in which the Vex simulated which would end in a win for them?

[ember storm]

not simulated but it was also just some random future that’s not really indicative of anything

I really wouldn’t put much thought into it considering it was just meant to be some fancy explanation about Bastion existing

[modern finch]

Sure, I thought it was superfluous. Thanks

[acoustic trail]

what exactly are the taken? are they just mindless darkness zombies controlled by the witness?

[empty fern]

Less zombies more husks? But that’s not much of a difference so yea
(Some being that’s had its will taken by witness)

[still bay]

Wait so vex aren't the robots they're the sticky white fluid inside them?

[upper falcon]

pretty much

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-vex-gif-15294920540671896220

An earlier part of the video form this cutscene shows it too

[river ruin]

i mean it really isnt

[ember storm]

it’s “the one thing that exists at the end of the universe”

there’s literally infinite interpretations and ways to get there

The witness and sword logic are just the most famous ones

anyone could make up their own version

[river ruin]

yeah and thats the only interpretation of it

[ember storm]

I don’t think that’s what interpretation means

[river ruin]

thats what the final shape is tho

nothing more nothing less

[jagged badge]

It quite literally is

Multiple different species/beings had their own ideas of the Final Shape. The Witness worked to enact its own vision of it

[river ruin]

and their ideas were wrong

[jagged badge]

I feel like you aren’t listening

I don’t want to have this conversation if you’re going to be stubborn and not listen

[river ruin]

so becuz someone disagrees with you, you dont want to have a converstation

ok

[jagged badge]

Okay lmao

Anyway

[jagged badge]

How are you Waltz?

[ember storm]

hungry

struggling with my identity

[jagged badge]

Real

[ember storm]

and I’m not at pinnacle cap yet

[empty fern]

Eat the light

[river ruin]

just cuz there are different possibilities for what the final shape is doesnt mean different interpretations

[ember storm]

truly a grind

[ember storm]

the witness calcifying the universe is an interpretation

correct?

everything frozen forever so that nothing truly exists

[river ruin]

thats a possibility

[ember storm]

that’s one idea

another idea is sword logic, where life just gets down to its fundamental principles and kills until nothing’s left to kill

the thing that’s left after that is their idea of the final shape

that’s another interpretation

[jagged badge]

A possibility because the Witness strived to physically bring about its interpretation of the Final Shape

The Hive’s idea of the Final Shape - their interpretation of it - is different to the Witness’

[river ruin]

no

[ember storm]

the nine also have their own ideas of the final shape

[river ruin]

its what you need to get to it

[ember storm]

two scenarios, one universe made solely of light and another solely filled with dark

[jagged badge]

You really do not know what you’re talking about I’m afraid

[river ruin]

i do

[jagged badge]

Mhm

Sure

[river ruin]

"mm sure" 🥱

[ember storm]

if it were timely I would summon the aussie

[empty fern]

Hopefully we get an inkblot scene of the old prophecy dungeon and drifters visions

[jagged badge]

I said “mhm”

[river ruin]

idc

[ember storm]

I love it when people go “I actually don’t care” and then continue responding over and over

[empty fern]

(This convo has gone past the point of facts and is just undermining each-other,)

[ember storm]

let’s talk about doghives

[empty fern]

No

[jagged badge]

I said the facts and this guy is challenging it because of…I don’t even know why

[river ruin]

yet thats not what i did

[empty fern]

I will not let you bring that back

[ember storm]

you just did it

that’s what that is

you’re responding

[river ruin]

yes becuz you have the facts and no one else. get off your high horse

[ember storm]

and again

literally just shut the computer off and walk away

make a sandwich do the laundry walk the dog

anything else

[river ruin]

talk out your ass more please

[jagged badge]

Would you like to explain why you’re challenging what me and Waltz are saying? Why you think we’re wrong about the simple definition of interpretation?

[empty fern]

(This will appear later by someone else, wither or witness funkiness)

[river ruin]

can you not read? i have already told you

[ember storm]

Wdym

[jagged badge]

You absolutely have not

[empty fern]

Good question, I forgot to add the question holdon

[river ruin]

i have

[ember storm]

that’s just one of the Micah ghost quests

[jagged badge]

Anyways

[empty fern]

Nvm I have no question to add, bungie being minecrafty

[ember storm]

Ok how about this

Instead of talking about doghives

Instead my go to will be

Drifter calling Eido “crabcakes”

[jagged badge]

War beasthives

[ember storm]

it’s a great icebreaker

[empty fern]

Wha, when

[fast tapir]

whar

[jagged badge]

That’s from Destiny 1 silly, this is a Destiny 2 Discord

[empty fern]

A great Runebreaker? Glyphbreaker?

[ember storm]

https://youtu.be/WcdsbTlZ96U?si=HSqTvvBrEAEtqZx6

[empty fern]

Noooo it’s the season we all frog about

[sick yew]

Drifter and his nicknames

[ember storm]

fine, it’s a great BREAKER OF WILL, FIRST NAVIGATOR, HARROWED GOD AND HE WHO MASTERED SHAPES

[river ruin]

@jagged badge the final shape is the pattern being final. thats it if you disagree with this then you havent read the lore. the process may be different but the outcome is the same. a final pattern

[ember storm]

is that better

[empty fern]

Yes Xivu thank you

[jagged badge]

This is just reductive and plain wrong

[river ruin]

nope

[ember storm]

unveiling’s initial description of the final shape is literally completely different than the witness’ idea

[river ruin]

it really isnt

[jagged badge]

The outcome absolutely would not be the same

[ember storm]

the only one who apparently didn’t read is you

[river ruin]

it would be a final pattern

clearly this is getting no where since both of you cant read

[empty fern]

(Underminded)
(Dismissive? Forgot word)

[jagged badge]

Can you stop fucking insulting us when you’ve literally just come in to be stubborn and hostile for no reason?

[ember storm]

(argues with room and met with total disagreement) clearly I am the only one in the right

[river ruin]

you started being hostile first

[jagged badge]

The Hive’s Final Shape is one species, or one person even, left standing at the end. The Witness’ Final Shape would have been a still universe. Those are not identical outcomes. Those are two distinct interpretations of the concept of a Final Shape

[river ruin]

"Those are not identical outcomes." you dont know what i said do you

[ember storm]

i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the tower gift shop with my shitty bronco

[fast tapir]

what is even happening right now

[river ruin]

they cant read

[empty fern]

Bronco? Warframe reference

[jagged badge]

Anyways

[chrome fog]

Chronicon is Calus’ interpretation. It’s different from the Witness’ but it’s still A Final Shape

[jagged badge]

Clearly a productive conversation can’t be had with whoever this is

[chrome fog]

Like that’s the definition of interpretations

[jagged badge]

So I think we should all just not engage

[chrome fog]

Different takes on one thing

[fast tapir]

that is fair

[river ruin]

becuz you cant read what i say and understand it

[ember storm]

i assure myself as i close my eyes and ram the tower gift shop with my shitty bronco

[jagged badge]

Have y’all seen the cute text interactions with Failsafe and others from the secret mission thingy?

[fast tapir]

i have not

[jagged badge]

https://vxtwitter.com/hazelmonforton/status/1802030980288467439?s=46&t=qJ8b5Jx522rkNBkKGl2ySw

[ember storm]

I can’t see what her ascii vex art is supposed to be

[chrome fog]

See this is not how you participate in a discussion by refusing to partake in the other side’s view

[ember storm]

Like I know what it is but I just can’t see what they’re meant to be

[river ruin]

they didnt want to first

literally strawmanning half the shit i said

[ember storm]

define strawmanning

[fast tapir]

this is great

[chrome fog]

You refute the valid examples provided and your only argument is “No you’re wrong”

[jagged badge]

They can’t define interpretation so I don’t think you’re gonna get anything from this

[river ruin]

no you are just plain stupid and dont understand what i am saying

[ember storm]

define understand

[jagged badge]

[river ruin]

maybe scroll up

[sick yew]

[fast tapir]

lmao

[sick yew]

Whats all this now

[ember storm]

Alex can I ask you a question

[fast tapir]

something

its something alright

[sick yew]

No, im the one asking questions here

[ember storm]

Am I still allowed to use the Starro gif for visual representation of ghost creation

[chrome fog]

There’s the Chronicon for Calus’ Final Shape. It’s a stupid Final Shape but it’s a Final Shape regardless, in which a whole universe is dedicated to Calus’ ego and entertainment

[ember storm]

It’s very important you answer this

[jagged badge]

Boberto being unnecessarily hostile over something

[sick yew]

uh

uuuuh

[river ruin]

victim carding

[chrome fog]

Pls say yes

[ember storm]

It’s like the only thing I dm you about if you can’t remember it

[chrome fog]

Alright new guy

[ember storm]

Just go check

[empty fern]

(Armpit bir-)

[jagged badge]

You literally just called me stupid right in front of the mod

[sick yew]

Fellas its 2am

Please

[chrome fog]

No its 8

[sick yew]

Wrong

[fast tapir]

yeah its 8

2 v 1

we win

[sick yew]

Anyway lemme get that checked rq

[chrome fog]

Just woke up from nap

[sick yew]

brb

[ember storm]

Thanks bestie

[river ruin]

its still one final pattern tho

[ember storm]

You know what I should start making more recap videos

I could call myself something special

Something evocative

[jagged badge]

You cannot be serious lmao

[chrome fog]

But it’s a different one from the Witness’, which we’ve seen is not the same as the one presented in the expansion

[jagged badge]

This actually has to be a troll

[fast tapir]

surely

[river ruin]

the process is different but the idea of the final shape is the same

[chrome fog]

Do you see beers of root and nuggets of chicken being enjoyed?

[river ruin]

cant get good arguments against it "must be a troll guys"

[ember storm]

I always take these things at face value because someone logging on and having this be the highlight of their day is infinitely worse than it being genuine

[empty fern]

What’s wrong with chicken nuggets

[fast tapir]

root beer is good wtf

[chrome fog]

Real

[river ruin]

sorry that eris wanted to be dismissive and not understand what i am telling them

[jagged badge]

Her

[chrome fog]

Ok Boberto, define Calus’ Final Shape

[fast tapir]

❓

[ember storm]

define understand

[river ruin]

do you not know what them means?

[fast tapir]

define define

[ember storm]

its a gender neutral pronoun which can be used by someone by choice, or to be used by a third party who doesn’t know what pronouns someone goes by

it’s basic etiquette to use the proper pronouns after being told

[fast tapir]

this is true!

[sick yew]

ye

[ember storm]

ok great

[chrome fog]

We respect pronouns here

[ember storm]

oh boy I wish somebody would ask about how ghosts were made

[fast tapir]

hey uhh

how were ghosts made?

[sick yew]

[chrome fog]

No no let boberto ask

[fast tapir]

okay fine

he can have it

[sick yew]

Anyway enough with this other crap aight?

[ember storm]

ok

so

you’ve heard the stories

but hearing is only one thing

it’s another thing entirely to have

visualization

[fast tapir]

right

[chrome fog]

[fresh zephyr]

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/starro-the-suicide-squad-suicide-squad-spores-gif-24191078

[chrome fog]

[fast tapir]

lmao

[ember storm]

For the record I do know we got an actual cutscene showcasing this exact scenario

But 1 this is way funnier

And 2 it was the only thing I could actually think of when it happened

[fast tapir]

they should have just used this honestly

[chrome fog]

The best part is THEY’RE SO PARALLEL

[sick yew]

Is it also on the record that this doesnt actually answer the question?

[ember storm]

literally the same picture

[fresh zephyr]

It's actually fairly accurate too, yeah

[fast tapir]

loud incorrect buzzer noise

[fresh zephyr]

Since Ghosts are basically just pieces of the Traveler, both physically and mentally, that it broke off from itself.

[ember storm]

“hey how were ghosts made?”

[river ruin]

how?

[jagged badge]

As I said, this is reductive and thus wrong

[chrome fog]

I still don’t see them chicken nuggies

[ember storm]

all born at once unceremoniously without prior indication or warning

[river ruin]

how is it reductive?

[ember storm]

it just started

[chrome fog]

Where is Cayde feasting on nuggies

[ember storm]

they are literally all about different end goals

[chrome fog]

Where’s bearded Zavala

[jagged badge]

Yes they are all called a Final Shape. But they are different outcomes. That is what makes them different interpretations of the broad concept of a Final Shape

This is not difficult to understand

At all

[ember storm]

sword logic is a universal contest where one thing is decidedly the winner

[fresh zephyr]

The Witness gives zero fuck about the sword logic or the flower game pattern. It calls the whole idea 'childish'. It's Final Shape isn't the Final Shape envisioned in Unveiling.

[ember storm]

and continues to exist

[chrome fog]

Where is everything being a Vex simulation

[river ruin]

the are different interprestations of how to get to the final shape

[ember storm]

the witness’ calcification is where nothing exists

[jagged badge]

Jesus fucking Christ

[chrome fog]

Again where the root beer my guy, there ain’t no root beer in this expansion

[ember storm]

vex end goal is where everything continues to exist for infinity within simulations

[river ruin]

im sorry you cant understand something this simple

[jagged badge]

This conversation is painful

[ember storm]

Calus’ end goal is literally just sitting back and watching existence naturally end

[jagged badge]

LOL

[ember storm]

they’re all different concepts of what “final shape” means

[river ruin]

the final shape is just the final pattern of the universe

[chrome fog]

I mean in a sense all of them are the same in being a stagnant end state of the universe but also not really because they are different states regardless of their perpetuity

[ember storm]

alright I’m going to summon the aussie through time and space

[jagged badge]

I think there’s a word for this. Starts with ‘i’ and ends in ‘n’

Interpretation perhaps?

[ember storm]

you realize the thing you’re quoting (unveiling) which described “patterns” is specifically not what the witness’ final shape was

[chrome fog]

Which the point we’re trying to get across

[fast tapir]

maybe

[ember storm]

they were literally different things

[river ruin]

it was tho

[ember storm]

because they’re different

[jagged badge]

Being this confidently and stubbornly wrong is insane

[chrome fog]

Those the Vex

[fresh zephyr]

Lemme put it this way. There is a vast difference between say, dying in bed of old age at 95 vs getting ran over by Truck-Kun at 21. Yeah, dead is dead, but there is a vast difference between the two events.

[jagged badge]

💀

[ember storm]

interpretations

[river ruin]

and being as plain stupid and not understand what i am saying if saddening

[ember storm]

he will provide his two cents or whatever they use for currency over there

Kangaroo skulls probably

[jagged badge]

#✅welcome-and-rules

[fast tapir]

this is a silly way to put it but it works lmao

[ember storm]

@trim grotto have fun

In like seven hours

[jagged badge]

He’s probably at work right?

Actually I dunno what time it is for him

[chrome fog]

It’s like Sol guy all over again

[ember storm]

I don’t know and I don’t care to learn

So this is the compromise

[river ruin]

there was muliple games played bro

[ember storm]

I will incite his name and summon him like the transcendent minds

and then run away like a cockroach

[jagged badge]

Unveiling is not factual, you know that right?

It’s propaganda given to us by the Witness

[sick yew]

Wasnt it like rectonned and stuff?

[sick yew]

Or that ig

[jagged badge]

That already makes sure to tell us it’s allegorical and metaphorical anyway

[ember storm]

“If you read the lore” first sentence of unveiling immediately clarifies it’s all metaphorical and not actual history

there were no games, they were not flowers, there was not a garden

[jagged badge]

This guy absolutely watched like half a Byf video before coming here to challenge us on this lmao

[river ruin]

there was

[chrome fog]

It’s funny you come into this channel for answers and refuse all answers

[jagged badge]

Guaranteed

[fresh zephyr]

We don't really know what Unveiling's status is in the lore at this point.

[sick yew]

On the note of factual things tho
I was wondering

[ember storm]

it literally describes word for word that there was no garden.

It did not exist

[sick yew]

How close are Micahs "interpretations" of the Travelers imprints on those collectibles to its actual experiences?

[jagged badge]

Probably decently close

[river ruin]

says the one who doesnt understand a single thing i have written

please shut the fuck up

[jagged badge]

One of her interpretations very closely aligns with the Collapse

[chrome fog]

No ine does because your incorrect

[sick yew]

Ey come on man

[jagged badge]

#✅welcome-and-rules

[fresh zephyr]

Like, even in the raid ship lore when Ikora and Mara discuss Unveiling, they admit they don't know if it's just total lies or if it contains aspects of truth.

[river ruin]

i dont want to hear it from someone who came in with a high horse

[chrome fog]

HAHJAHAHAA

[fresh zephyr]

So dismising it entirely is out of hand at this point.

[fast tapir]

literally what are you on about

[sick yew]

I dont care what I came in at
Please keep it civil that counts for everyone in this convo

[ember storm]

Boy I wish I could go to this garden

[chrome fog]

God imagine the carrots in it

They’d be tasty

[ember storm]

I hate carrots

[chrome fog]

I like em

[ember storm]

That means you’re evil

[river ruin]

yeah you are just plain stupid. just understand that not everything has to be physical

[chrome fog]

HAHAHAHA

[fresh zephyr]

I low-key want a tattoo that references destiny Lore

[jagged badge]

Are you trying to get muted?

[fast tapir]

woah

what

why?

[ember storm]

Get a tattoo of evaze’s face

[sick yew]

Mate fr now
If you got a differing opinion thats fine but either take it to DMs or keep it civil, no need to insult anyone here

[chrome fog]

very smart continuing this in front of server staff

[ember storm]

don’t like smell and texture

[fresh zephyr]

Lmao photorealistic too

[sick yew]

Also everyone else dont say shit like that either

[ember storm]

everyone knows the ultimate form of vegetable is the spud

[fresh zephyr]

Truly

[sick yew]

Theres literally no reason to provoke

[chrome fog]

Got it hoss

[sick yew]

thx

[chrome fog]

Had my fun

[fresh zephyr]

Hoss

[ember storm]

Bot it goss

[chrome fog]

That was good, that was cathartic

[jagged badge]

Starhoss

[fast tapir]

horse

[river ruin]

you literally came in here basically said im right your wrong and tried to leave please dont talk the grown ups are trying to have a converstation

[fast tapir]

THE

horse

[fresh zephyr]

Okay yeah mute time

[iron mortar]

Ok so I watched the byf vid, is the winnower not the veil? Because if the Gardener is the traveler how is the veil not the winnower, and what the witness means by how it uses it is the first knife is because the veil is what created it

[river ruin]

@chrome fog @ember storm you guys im sorry for insulting you should have just kept my anger at eris

[ember storm]

Yknow I like how after ten years Xur’s development has literally just culminated in “I have not lived a single day for myself, being constantly juggled between ownership of different cosmic entities, and all I got was this shiny figure of a horse”

[sick yew]

[chrome fog]

I would love for Starhorse to force Xur to use West slang it be funny

[ember storm]

They should’ve added new voice lines for normal vendor xur

Worst part of 30th anniversary

5/10

[iron mortar]

And the final shape confirmed that the darkness statues are just the corpses and statues of the witnesses species right

[ember storm]

No

[chrome fog]

1. Unveiling ain’t real, 2) the Veil has not yet done any attributable actions which would parallel to the Winnower

[ember storm]

Only in the “give yourself to darkness” void place are they actually 1:1 linked

The statues are just statues

[river ruin]

how is unveiling not real?

[fresh zephyr]

The statues are prisons

For the Dissenters

[jagged badge]

It is explicitly propaganda from the Witness

[chrome fog]

You should remained civil and accepted the answers given to you, and listened to server staff telling you to behave

[sick yew]

For a while now its been known that its basically just the Witness trying to get us on their side

[iron mortar]

But the statues are still what his species looked like

[jagged badge]

Elements of Unveiling may be based on truths but largely it is just propaganda the Witness gave us to big itself up

[ember storm]

that’s what statues do, yes

but also not really

[jagged badge]

Make itself out to be a grand cosmic entity in an unknowable cosmic game

[ember storm]

the precursors looked like precursors

[fresh zephyr]

Basically, when one mind within the Witness went against the whole, it would cut them out and shove them in the statue where they would be imprisoned until the Final Shape where it would 'fix them'.

[river ruin]

accepting answer based off of strawman arguments

[jagged badge]

When that’s just not the case

[ember storm]

the veiled statues are literally statues of them under blankets

[jagged badge]

That is what’s actually written in the lore

[ember storm]

not their calcified remains

[chrome fog]

I would drop it man Alex said so

[ember storm]

their actual bodies were just laid dead on the floor

[sick yew]

Man it is really not that hard to have a civil conversation
Youre the only one who continues to be aggressive just stop

[river ruin]

drop what? im having a conversation with you?

[sick yew]

No thats not a civil conversation

[ember storm]

what you see in Zavala’s vision is what actually happened, their minds got cleansed and condensed and then they just ragdoll

[river ruin]

im not being aggressive?

[ember storm]

The statues are just statues

[sick yew]

Yes your previous statements are and the way you respond to people is

[river ruin]

whatever you say

[sick yew]

Thank you

[chrome fog]

See Eris and Waltz are my friends and you have been exceedingly rude whilst willfully ignorant to not accept the answers they have provided you despite your approach into this channel for answers. Do better, do not apologize for being worse

[ember storm]

hey guys guess what

[glass vortex]

I got a question about our guardian. I know how we are “the young wolf” which I think is a iron lord apprentice or something can’t quite remeber.

But are we iron lords now? Considering the iron lord title was introduced doesnt that mean if you earn the title your guardian is an iron lord now and no longer a young wolf?

[ember storm]

did you know that in season of plunder

Actually no not that

[chrome fog]

Ye we an Iron Lord

[fresh zephyr]

Young Wolf was just a nickname from Saladin

[ember storm]

Drifter has called multiple people daddy on separate occasions

[fresh zephyr]

We've been Iron Lords since ROI

[sick yew]

As much as I appreciate you trying to help please just ignore it alright

[river ruin]

"willfully ignorant" when im just stating facts

[glass vortex]

What’s ROI

[iron mortar]

Also if unveiling isn't real, what is byf yapping about

[fresh zephyr]

Rise of Iron

[iron mortar]

Is the winnower not real?

[jagged badge]

Wdym?

[ember storm]

You need to understand what “real” means

[chrome fog]

He tends to yap

[sick yew]

^

[fresh zephyr]

We don't know.

[ember storm]

The book exists as an actual text transcript in universe

[fast tapir]

byf try not to yap challenge

[ember storm]

The events described in unveiling are decidedly not real

[fast tapir]

but ill watch him anyway

[ember storm]

They did not happen

[sick yew]

Eris read it no?

[iron mortar]

Byf made a vid saying that the winnower is real since he is not the witness

[ember storm]

The information may be based on real concepts

[chrome fog]

Translated it via the relic on Luna

[empty fern]

What’s the common idea on why some orange bar taken have spikes protruding?

[ember storm]

That’s a guess on his part

[fresh zephyr]

Like...That's all that can really be definitively said at this point about the Winnower.

[sick yew]

mhm

[chrome fog]

The little column thing

[ember storm]

Not confirmed one way or the other

[river ruin]

they havent even tried to understand what i say they instead strawman it

[glass vortex]

Oh wait are we just “the young wolf” but have always been an iron lord since that nickname was given to us?

[jagged badge]

Young Wolf is just a young Iron Lord I believe

[chrome fog]

Lala blocked block is blocked block

[sick yew]

I already told him to refrain from this sort of comments its alright

[ember storm]

young wolf was before we were even called an iron lord

Saladin just calls us that

[fresh zephyr]

^

[empty fern]

We got the factory made sword

[sick yew]

D1 "lighting" lmfao

[ember storm]

god look at that fucking exo

[fresh zephyr]

Basically, at the end of Rise of Iron after we helped Saladin stop SIVA, he named us an Iron Lord

[empty fern]

[ember storm]

people really complained about the face updates?

[ember storm]

not the design

[river ruin]

@jagged badge i guess i should say sorry to you too but i feel as tho you three have misinterpreted what i have said and have been on a high horse

[glass vortex]

Sorry I’m abit confused so young wolf is like a apprentice to the iron lords but not a full lord yet or something?

[ember storm]

It’s a nickname

Literally just a nickname

[empty fern]

Take the peaks and find the rest of the iron temples

[ember storm]

There are Iron Lords and Iron Wolves (not official iron lords but still in their employ)

[fresh zephyr]

Hey

[ember storm]

Saladin just calls us young wolf because he was fond of us and we were literally two years old

[fresh zephyr]

Destiny 1 sky boxes were great

[river ruin]

iron lords when i show them water and air

[ember storm]

I don’t get it

[river ruin]

rust

[sick yew]

I dont know what you have said because frankly it doesnt matter
Your opinion on something differs from what others think thats perfectly normal especially with how vague Destiny lore can be
Whos right here doesnt matter and its very likely youll never find out
But you and everyone else here should keep discussions civil and dont insul others because of their takes
Its as simple as that

[ember storm]

I don’t like that game

[chrome fog]

Maybe a reference to Iron rusting

[ember storm]

Never heard of it

[empty fern]

Avatar reference

[river ruin]

i disagree with this

😎

[glass vortex]

I miss my sword I got from Saladin. I wonder if we will ever get it back

[ember storm]

oh you must mean that strange red dust that always seems to appear on old metal left outside

[chrome fog]

Oh god

[ember storm]

it’s objectively worse than most legendary swords

[empty fern]

STRANGE
RED?

SIVA???

[ember storm]

or just get a solar slam ergo sum

[static bluff]

siva subclass ⁉️ 🚨

[chrome fog]

Nope

[ember storm]

SIVA main class

[river ruin]

egro sum will lead to AM takeover

[ember storm]

Fourth destiny class

Just a cluster of SIVA

[sick yew]

Alright, as long as you dont keep this style of conversation up I dont really mind otherwise its as simple as a warn or strike/mute
Your choice homie
Now enough with this and back to lore

[empty fern]

5th

We have hive guardians queued already

[ember storm]

Sixth actually

[empty fern]

Shit

[ember storm]

John bungie contacted me in my dreams and told me we’re getting playable aphelions

[river ruin]

i have one last question. with rule 3 can we not talk about mara and mr pvp

[chrome fog]

They didn’t do that

[ember storm]

it literally didn’t happen so there’s no reason to

[fresh zephyr]

Im still sad they've done basically nothing with SIVA since ROI, aside from Neomuna nanite stuff.

[glass vortex]

Another thing I’m curious on is the whole class system. I vaguely know about how the classes are a kinda like army division sort of deal.

But do say titans just not wear cloaks Becouse it’s not like apart of their uniform or something?

[sick yew]

Not in the way youre implying no

[ember storm]

what is there to do

[jagged badge]

You can talk about how they shared memories of Mara’s partner Sjur Eido, and about how Shaxx recited Shakespeare

Which is what happened

[ember storm]

there are no defined uniforms or even rules about class structure

it’s literally just trends

[sick yew]

Now back to my initial question regarding to character/persona of the traveler
Pretty interesting revelations from Micahs interpretations ngl
Gonna be interesting to see if they continue to expand on who the traveler actually is

[river ruin]

i was there actually

[ember storm]

Drifter wearing robes doesn’t make him a warlock

[ember storm]

it’s me

[sick yew]

Wrong lmfao
Its Luke Smith duh

[ember storm]

It’s Matt Mercer

[river ruin]

the traveler is kinda a sudo-trinity

[jagged badge]

I wonder if Micah is who TravelDanielle is meant to be cosplaying for the Cosplay Cosmodrome thing

[ember storm]

Also I fucking seriously hope to god we get more Matt Mercer Fikrul lines

[glass vortex]

I know that but from what I know drifter isn’t anything his just a lightbearer. But I thought we are the classes we are Becouse it’s what we are better at using

[sick yew]

Danielle is what?

[ember storm]

I know it’s probably super easy for them to get him because they did it before but I really want him to be back

[fresh zephyr]

I mean, it's an insta-city builder that can throw up whole colonies easy, and we know all the colony ships had stockpiles of it on board so there's still some sitting in space. There's a lot of story potential for it still.

[river ruin]

thoughts on this

[ember storm]

There’s a cosplay event going on

Like real life cosplay

[sick yew]

Huh

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[empty fern]

Cosplay event is still going?

[jagged badge]

TravelDanielle is one of the people doing a cosplay for that Bungie thing. Only, she’s the only one whose cosplay was “redacted” whereas we got to know everyone else’s character

[empty fern]

OH WAS MICAH THE HIDDEN COSPLAYER?

[chrome fog]

Oooooo

[ember storm]

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/cosplay_cosmodrome_commences

[glass vortex]

I want my Titan to have a iron lord cloak I deserve my cloak

[empty fern]

Oh who did she cosplay as

[river ruin]

i mean travaler,light,gardener

[jagged badge]

That Mithrax cosplay is fucking insane

[jagged badge]

It’s not out yet

[empty fern]

Pain

[cinder quiver]

Were there guardians in the golden age?

[empty fern]

Nope

[jagged badge]

No

[ember storm]

No

[river ruin]

no

[ember storm]

Anyhow

[empty fern]

Snailures, all of you

[ember storm]

https://www.bungie.net/pubassets/pkgs/169/169238/1-square.jpg?cv=3983621215&av=3627550501

[sick yew]

The light is not an entity is it? Its just a force of the universe

[ember storm]

Savathun will always be my fav

[jagged badge]

The Traveler created Ghosts in response to humanity’s Collapse

[fresh zephyr]

Holy shit, yeah that's nuts

[river ruin]

thats why i said sudo

[empty fern]

Is this from the same person that made the savathun mask functional?

[sick yew]

Ive seen the Mithrax cosplayer I think

[chrome fog]

Ah yes, God, gravity, and supermán, a trinity in the same sense as the Bible, with a force as one of its members that isn’t even sentient

[ember storm]

it’s pseudo

[river ruin]

true

[chrome fog]

And the other being a fictional used version of it

[ember storm]

you got confused with the Pokemon don’t worry

[fresh zephyr]

The Cayde one is good too

[static bluff]

boberto acceptable take challenge

[sick yew]

Please refrain from comments like this

Genuinely

[chrome fog]

Anyways, someone mentioned SIVA earlier

[fresh zephyr]

[empty fern]

Nuh uh

[chrome fog]

It has recent mention in that it was used for its actual purpose for colony construction

For Neomuna

[river ruin]

i mean if the traveler is the gardener its not the same as its paracausal self

[chrome fog]

The technology was then developed and we can partially assume that it has evolved into the Quicksilver material

[river ruin]

since its in the physical

[empty fern]

Wasn’t that established back in lightfall? (And the reason they have an advanced silver version)

[fresh zephyr]

Pretty much yeah

[chrome fog]

Cloudstriders also utilize this derivative nanotechnology within their augments

[fresh zephyr]

And they use it to repair the city too

[empty fern]

I wonder

[fresh zephyr]

The Cabal try to harvest it as well in public events

[chrome fog]

So yeah we have better SIVA actually useful for something other than construction

[chrome fog]

It’s just different names for it

[ember storm]

At the end of the day SIVA was only ever technology with no mind of its own

[river ruin]

true

[chrome fog]

There’s nothing different about them because Unveiling is a hit piece by the Witness to make itself look good and the Traveler look bad

[ember storm]

The only things making it interesting to RoI’s story have all been touched up on and resolved by then

Saladin, Rasputin, house of devils, all resolved

[chrome fog]

We do the same function as SICA but better because we can manipulate energy too

[ember storm]

sica

[chrome fog]

SICA

[river ruin]

there still can be truth in it

[ember storm]

yes but that’s the point

we don’t know for certain what is and isn’t

[fresh zephyr]

Unveiling isn't a hit piece. It seems to be the Precursor's actual religion.

[empty fern]

Did neomuna stem from the first exodus ship?

[chrome fog]

That’s one of the points we know, Gardener is just another name for the Traveler

[ember storm]

unveiling as a whole is metaphorical but what actually happened and what it’s based on? we don’t know

[chrome fog]

Like the Great Machine is another name

[ember storm]

No

It was definitely one of the last

[chrome fog]

There isn’t another Gardener it’s just a fictionalized version of the Traveler

[river ruin]

its still the best explanation of how the universe started

[chrome fog]

They are functionally just different names for the same entity

[fresh zephyr]

As we see in the raid and the final mission, it genuinely believes that the Gardener/the Winnower are real. Whether it's delusional or not or if it's beliefs have actual basis, who knows

[ember storm]

also not quite either

we just know there’s things that the winnower refers to as such

[chrome fog]

It ain’t because we can assume most of it is a lie save for what we can verify with outside lore pieces, of which we cannot corroborate that Unveiling tells the truth of the creation of the universe

[ember storm]

if unveiling is just the precursor’s engine religious text it would just automatically use those terms anyway

[chrome fog]

Because again, Witness wojak for the Traveler

That’s all Unveiling is

[ember storm]

Gardener and Winnower are not specific entities

The gardener is a description of the traveler

It stands to reason winnower is just the same in concept

[fresh zephyr]

I know. That's what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out it's not a hit piece or 'propaganda', so much as the Witness' real beliefs about the world and how it sees it's own role in things. If that belief is justified is the question.

[ember storm]

it can be both

[chrome fog]

I mean propaganda is also that it just also somewhat tries to convince you of the same

[ember storm]

remember, unveiling is still distinctly skewed in narration

[chrome fog]

Which Unveiling kinda does

But is shitty at

[ember storm]

it’s delivered as though the “winnower” described is directly speaking

it’s propaganda which was used to deceive us

[chrome fog]

Save for all the edgelords that used it for their “Traveler is weak” rhetoric

[ember storm]

based in established belief or actual fact, maybe

but it was discreetly delivered to us for a specific purpose

[fresh zephyr]

True enough I suppose.

[ember storm]

it wasn’t the witness politely knocking on our door trying to convert us

[river ruin]

i mean if its real the traveler is just a salty loser

[ember storm]

it was “hey I’m totally the darkness itself, listen up nerds”

[chrome fog]

Have you not been keeping up

And have you read Unveiling, nothing of what the Winnower wants we would actually want

[river ruin]

i can be a historical representation of what actually happened

[chrome fog]

Aight I don’t need to dignify this with a response, Unveiling is barely truthful and we can succinctly state that by seeing who the source is - Witness - and the rhetoric it pushes being antithetical to our continued shared existence, which the “Might makes Right”-esque messaging from the Winnower wholly counters

Some stuff in it is repeated in other entries but otherwise a great majority of it is only useful for insight to the ideals of the Witness and the Traveler, there is no evidence for the Gardener and Winnower to exist as separate entities

[river ruin]

this doesnt make what i said wrong tho

[chrome fog]

That’s that

We’re past Beyond Light days of struggling to get a read on who the Witness and Winnower is, we’ve literally killed the Witness

[river ruin]

but its most likely how the universe started

[empty fern]

Now we gotta find the vex ballerina dancer/singer and their 227 copies running around

[chrome fog]

@sick yew can someone be muted for refusing to be wrong? This feels like an ongoing issue that’ll perpetuate

[river ruin]

how am i wrong? please tell me

your only reason is just "its made by the witness so it has to be wrong"

[static bluff]

you're not wrong you're just not right either because the fact is we don't know. yeah it's a propaganda piece therefore unreliable but that's beyond the point, we just don't know

[fresh zephyr]

I mean....Not quite. The Traveler visions have some interesting implications, since in one of the memories it recalls what it used to be before it's schism, and how it existed within a haze of cosmic energy of two distinct colors, and that something separated it from the Veil.

[static bluff]

it's as credible as anyone's story of how the universe began

[fresh zephyr]

And Mara found those two colors 'familiar'.

[dim minnow]

Unveiling is allegorical, but there are multiple cases of things from it correlating in other lore

like the Vex

[river ruin]

i mean the black garden and the tree stump

it has credit to it

[chrome fog]

That is true but it’s still fairly vague and does not necessarily point to the creation of the Destiny universe, just that the Gardener used to be one and is now separated from itself in some way. That may be connected to the universe’s origins but that’s only going off of the Witness’ word, which we know is not reliable

[empty fern]

Black garden (make a return pls, I don’t wanna deal with the splicer world) (also is the black garden only full of sol divisive?)

[fresh zephyr]

It's not just the Witness though

[ember storm]

It’s returned like 5 times and also yes

[fresh zephyr]

Ahsa talks about how the reunification of the Traveler and the Veil offered a glimpse 'back to the beginning'

[smoky rose]

The Black Garden, at the very least, is overwhelmingly Sol Divisive

If not entirely

[empty fern]

Yay and pain (wait this means I can disprove that one friends idea that vog took place in the black garden)

[ember storm]

What

It’s just on fucking Venus

How is that an argument

[empty fern]

Don’t worry about them, they are a little dumb

[ember storm]

Tell them to eat some baked potatoes

[empty fern]

I shall

[river ruin]

ok what part about unveiling is 100% false tho

[chrome fog]

You can’t just say something is true because there’s nothing to refute it, to say the Gardener is another entity because there’s nothing opposing the Witness’ claim does not give a valid argument. There is other entries which corroborate with the Traveler’s origins but we have yet to see anything corroborate with and support the origins of the universe provided in Unveiling. The Gardener is the Traveler, as is blatantly obvious with the interchanging of the two titles for actions the Traveler has done.

This is the whole point of checking your sources

[fresh zephyr]

Eh, we don't even know if the Traveler is actually the Gardener, since the Traveler seemingly rejects that in one of the memories by talking about how it isn't what all the species it's encountered think it is, and in another it calls itself a 'blueprint' and a 'canvas upon which the mysteries of the universe are written'.

[river ruin]

im not saying its true tho

Bionicle try not to strawman

[chrome fog]

Then what the heck do you want to say because it sounds like you’re flip flopping to prevent yourself from being in the wrong

[river ruin]

how am i flip flopping?

[chrome fog]

Make a solid argument for once

[static bluff]

this is so pointless from both sides you can't convince each other of anything because there's no objective answer

boberto is just saying it could be true that's literally it

[chrome fog]

Which is the point that we cannot blindly accept it as truth

[river ruin]

i do, you just strawman it

[ember storm]

I should play undertale

[static bluff]

sans guy

the sans

[chrome fog]

Anyways

[river ruin]

yeah and Bionicle is "nooo it cant be cuz le witness"

[chrome fog]

Rabbit embryo

[ember storm]

Cow thing

[static bluff]

no you're both just going back and forth saying "it could be" and "yes but it's probably not"

[chrome fog]

Dog hive

[empty fern]

House of wolves

[static bluff]

and both misunderstanding each other for ages for no reason

[chrome fog]

Poker to the death

[static bluff]

it was funny to watch though

[fresh zephyr]

I'm still kind of annoyed that Bungie didn't just finally nail this down completely

[river ruin]

no bio clearly was like no it cant be true

[ember storm]

I think it’s funny

[fresh zephyr]

Because this debate is never gonna die

[static bluff]

don't care it's over

[river ruin]

yeah its kinda annoying talking to him so im glad it is

[empty fern]

So, crow is vanguard now

[ember storm]

Tractor cannon

[chrome fog]

Dragon Ahamkara

[empty fern]

Best ornament, favorite ornament

[static bluff]

crowguard

[ember storm]

Wrong

[static bluff]

the uh

[empty fern]

My first ornament

[static bluff]

vancrow

[ember storm]

Harness the power of shitty roommates

[river ruin]

whats with it and the vanguard gaurdians/ghosts being dumb

[empty fern]

CrowGuards dare

[fresh zephyr]

The manbun is hilarious, and still somehow an improvement

[river ruin]

hmmm today im going to fly at the witness and hopefully nothing bad happens

[ember storm]

I think it’s fairly fitting considering all the barely veiled awoken cultural elements

[ember storm]

you mean targe?

[river ruin]

yes

[ember storm]

He was literally sacrificing himself to save Zavala

While also proving the witness can be hurt

[static bluff]

comically large marshmallow in the screenshot

[river ruin]

didnt hurt the witness tho at least not physically

[empty fern]

Witness massive hand being napped by a golden gun and ace of spades

[ember storm]

He did, it’s fingers were melting

It just killed him before any sustainable damage

[vestal summit]

Does someone who are the characters in each pale heart weapon?

[ember storm]

and again the main point was saving Zavala

[river ruin]

that was his darkness form or whatever

a vision

[ember storm]

He wouldn’t just gotten absorbed otherwise

[static bluff]

new thread of drawn out disagreement from misinterpreting each other about to drop

[ember storm]

If it were a vision Targe wouldn’t literally be crushed

It was just the actual witness

[chrome fog]

Orin’s Urn of Ashes

[river ruin]

it wasnt

[ember storm]

I’m going to go take a shower

[iron mortar]

Also was targe's light damaging the witnesses body

You see it is smoking at the hand holding him

[empty fern]

Me when, the witness, this mf can shapeshifter size atleast (and idk why it had so many hands)

[ember storm]

remember how we literally kill the witness with light from our ghost

gee I wonder

[iron mortar]

Hey man I was just confirming

[ember storm]

not you

[river ruin]

this isnt his actual body tho

[ember storm]

According to what

[river ruin]

common sense

[ember storm]

Are you saying the statues we destroyed in the same realm weren’t actually the dissenters linked to the witness

Cause we destroyed them

And the witness got hurt

[empty fern]

It did the shield damage thing and all

[river ruin]

thats when we first hurt the witness

[empty fern]

Also how poetic that the first relic of light (kabrs aegis) is used alot in the final shape

(It is the first right)

[iron mortar]

I thought that was cool, the first relic used to help safe guard reality protects us from the final boss

[river ruin]

yeah 1000% its a vision of him

[iron mortar]

When the witness says I am the first knife, does this mean there is a second knife, why not just say "I am the knife"

[empty fern]

Think in like 40 years when destiny 4 comes out, we getting, uhhhh, what was a relic for leviathan?

[empty fern]

There is a second knife

But I don’t know enough to explain

[chrome fog]

Well there is the fact the term is used in Unveiling, which itself is sourced from the Witness, and declaring yourself as the First Knife gives greater importance than just a knife

Ranking, being the first out of many, there’s a lot of regard that comes with being first

[ember storm]

It’s like declaring you’re the second coming

[empty fern]

Jesus Christ

[ember storm]

yeah that guy

[chrome fog]

The one comparable to a force

Apparently

[empty fern]

Whatever happened to the “strand is similar to the force in Star Wars” thing I saw (then left cause I didn’t lore that day)

[chrome fog]

It’s kinda true but neither of them are utilized in comparable ways

[vestal summit]

Does someone who are the characters in each pale heart weapon?

[empty fern]

I think the fusion rifle is ikora, idk any others, check lore incase it’s sourcing them

[stark fjord]

is mithrax kell of kells

[dim minnow]

no

just Kell of Light

Kell of Kells is House of Rain propaganda

[vestal summit]

i don't think the lore is a reliable source, the call lore tab talks about saint and osiris but this character doesn't look like either of them, and neither Osiris or Saint are important to Cayde afaik.

[empty fern]

I see

I got nothing then

Holdon

[stark fjord]

the prophecy is that there will be a kell that will unify all houses

and like

house light is the most prospoerous

[dim minnow]

there was already an attempt to unify the houses

House Dusk

[stark fjord]

that was more so

a

[worldly river]

The AR, Sidearm, and Sword are generic Titan, Warlock, and Hunter, symbolizing us I guess
Shotgun is Lakshmi-2 (and her human template, Maya Sundaresh, on the other side), HC is Shiro-4, MG is Zavala, Fusion is Ikora, Sniper is Micah-10

[stark fjord]

survival thing with the help of uldren

[dim minnow]

and they did it out of desperation

[stark fjord]

yeah

[chrome fog]

Where's the tab where Misraaks learns that the Kell of Kells prophecy might have been a way to manipulate the houses to be in conflict with each other

[dim minnow]

not sure if it was him

[chrome fog]

Or was it Spider/Raakis

[dim minnow]

Star Eaters scales

[empty fern]

Dova was it you that posted the black and white sketch of the character on the gun image? Or was that mael

[stark fjord]

saint called him kell of kells tho

[dim minnow]

don't think it was me

[chrome fog]

More a compliment

[stark fjord]

its a nice thought tho

him being eliksni jesus is kinda funny lol

[worldly river]

I posted some of them a while back @empty fern

[stark fjord]

the spacist and the fanatic

[worldly river]

The designs are all shown in one of the Vidocs

[empty fern]

Yea it was from this but a full one image with all of them

[worldly river]

I can find it

[vestal summit]

yeah that makes sense, but i just wanna nitpick that Maya sundaresh is def not on the other side, its just a color swap, its still lakshmi.

[stark fjord]

what gun is this for

im confused

[worldly river]

Oh I think she's on the underbarrel or smthn then, idk

I assumed given the card

[stark fjord]

maybe the handle?

or maybe theyre two peices

one is lak one is maya

[worldly river]

Like the card has both, surely the Maya depiction is somewhere on the gun

[vestal summit]

wdym the card?

[stark fjord]

maybe theres a 2nd gun

2 halfs of a whole

[worldly river]

See what I replied to above

Maybe they scrubbed the Maya depiction cuz this is the concept art they showed

[vestal summit]

oh, aight.

[chrome fog]

That does not look like Lakshmi ngl; that concept art looks better

[empty fern]

THAT

that’s the image

[worldly river]

Generic Warlock, Generic Hunter, Generic Titan, Micah, Shiro, Ikora, Zavala, Lakshmi/Maya

[empty fern]

You think the wolf is shiro?

Ah I guess that makes sense

[worldly river]

Wolf is Micah

[empty fern]

Wait no that’s micah if it’s in order

Yea

[vestal summit]

did anyone translate the dread language yet?

[empty fern]

Nope but the subreddit and cryptarchy server is working on it

[worldly river]

Anyway Micah's card has the exact same wolf depiction as the Six Coyotes cloak from D1

Which is good cuz we don't get to see her face in-game lol

[empty fern]

Kek

She bought one of the ev sets

[fresh zephyr]

Isn't that because she was a member of that group? At least I think

[worldly river]

Yeah

She was one of the two Exos in that group and pre-TFS we didn't have much between her and Cayde (none as Micah-10, all when she was a kid), but that's more than we had from Lee-4 lol

[dim minnow]

at least we got Nadiya's face

and armor

Therin Vai we got an interaction between him and the Pilgrim Guard (and Orin notably) as well as an implication that he and Zavala were in the same ship in their past lives

but Conar we have not much of

Shinobu has quite a bit though

I'd say Nadiya and Shinobu had a decent amount

before TFS, I'd say Nadiya had the most

since she appeared in a comic

[trim grotto]

Que

[stark fjord]

.

theyre sending you their regards

[raw hazel]

Scrolling up my brain so I am staying down here

[empty fern]

Nuh uh

[acoustic trail]

how many years ago was the collapse? and did all the aliens arrive after the collapse?

[fresh zephyr]

We don't really know. It could be anywhere from a few hundred years ago, to well over 1000. And no. The Vex were already present on Venus and Mars and other planets in Sol during the Golden Age, and the Hive were present within the Moon for sometime before the Collapse, but we don't know exactly how long they'd been there. Only the Fallen and Cabal showed up afterwards.

[acoustic trail]

are cabal immortal? because the ones we face were alive during their golden age

[trim grotto]

They're not immortal, but their lives are indefinite to us. What we do know is that they can age to such a degree that their body begins to turn to ossify.

Suffice to say, they have the potential to be very long lived.

[willow dagger]

May I ask how old you are, orange?

[trim grotto]

26

[river ruin]

what was vietnam like

[willow dagger]

Do you know how old hpig is?!

[raw hazel]

Mael are you serious right now?

[trim grotto]

[trim grotto]

i may be
who's asking

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

WHY IS EVERYONE YOUNGER THAN ME

[willow dagger]

Honestly, I could see 26. But I was hoping for like 34

[trim grotto]

you have to be older to contain all the cool

[trim grotto]

I am quite happy being not-34

[willow dagger]

Ok

[compact sky]

this is a really important question for the overall story: If Titans are crayon-eaters, why are they less likely to die than hunters. And why is our titan vanguard not a crayon-eater.

[willow dagger]

Oo I also have lore questions!

@trim grotto story time about Crow/Uldron sometime?

[trim grotto]

You lost two of them very recently, Joxer and Reed-7

[compact sky]

there's like way more dead hunters

[dim minnow]

to be fair it took Witness fuckery to do them in

[shadow crypt]

how were the awoken created

[fresh zephyr]

Nah, there are a loooot of dead Titans

Look at Wei Ning.

She thought punching Crota in the face was a great idea

[trim grotto]

Well that was the Great Disaster to be fair

Many died there

[trim grotto]

Haha some time, sure
It's a bit of a long tale though, the man's had a long life. Uh, three of them. Arguably four.

[trim grotto]

That's a fun tale

[compact sky]

Aren't exos all the same, why do exos have different physical characteristics

[trim grotto]

Alright hang on let me do the Awoken first and then I'll get to that

[willow dagger]

Cool! I- I’m a big fan🥹

[fresh zephyr]

Exos are easy enough. Exos are just normal people who effectively uploaded their minds to a machine body. So they obviously had some degree of personalization done, either before they made the swap or after.

[compact sky]

whats with the empty exos in Europa?

[fresh zephyr]

A lot of those were either prototypes or dead ones that were killed when Europa was overran by the Vex.

[trim grotto]

TL;DL, Colony ship got blasted with Light and Dark during Collapse, sent to a pocket dimension, then Mara and a bunch of Awoken escaped it and created the civilisation we now know

[compact sky]

actually, can someone explain the story of exos altogether, specifically the ones in Europa labs

[compact sky]

Is Byf recording this?

[trim grotto]

not unless he moved to a different hemisphere and broke into my house, no

[compact sky]

jajaja

[compact sky]

they're a very interesting piece of D2 to me

[river ruin]

That's not what I'm saying at all

[dim minnow]

didn't even mention the rabbit embryo

cringe

[eager trout]

Why do people think Shaxx may be William Shakespeare?

[dim minnow]

his admiration for poetry

he can recite The Tempest by heart

[chrome fog]

It’s funny because Shakespeare the historical figure might have been multiple individuals working under the same pen name, or at least that’s one of the more recent theories

[eager trout]

People come up with theories for everything

Why does he have horns?

[chrome fog]

Why not

[chrome fog]

That’s what you do when you don’t have direct knowledge of something

It’s assumptions/guesses using evidence to inform your conclusion

[eager trout]

Is it true that Ghosts can synthesize and restore almost anything?

[dim minnow]

it's a way to have fun

[dim minnow]

they can synthesize basic armor and I believe ammo

[eager trout]

Primary ammo lore

I was told they can synthesize things if they have the blueprints

[dim minnow]

not quite certain on what else

maybe more complex things require the materials and knowledge

which is why weapons are primarily handled by foundries

[compact sky]

Who even is Clarity? Is that ever explained? How is Clarity or atleast its identity as the statue connected with the darkness

[wheat flower]

Wasn't vlarity the Witness?

Or am I mis remembering that

[chrome fog]

Witness, because Clarity Control has the veiled lady statue in the Deep Stone Crypt raid

Nexus you got a screenshot?

[compact sky]

I'm assuming it was the witness but why the veiled statue lady

[dim minnow]

Clarity Control is a veiled statue found on Europa in the DSC raid

the Witness gave it to Clovis as part of its manipulation efforts

which Clovis used to help in perfecting exos

[compact sky]

unrelate dbut kinda related, why did the witness exactly show themself now

[dim minnow]

Clarity Control itself emitted a Dark-aligned effect called Clarity