📚lore-discussion

[soft copper]

I decline politely

[fiery copper]

Like even if someone hasn't played destiny before they could 100% know on sight that this guy is the type of person to get mad at his team when he overextends and dies from his own mistake

[soft copper]

This is me.

[ember storm]

I think you’re just being lame and posting art without credit

[soft copper]

It’s never my fault guys x

[analog torrent]

https://fishuus.tumblr.com/

[chrome fog]

Aight moving on this is a dumb conversation

[fiery copper]

You know kev I completely believe you on that

[soft copper]

🤝

Me when the random team mates don’t read my mind and push with me

[chrome fog]

Lore

[soft copper]

This is lore

[fiery copper]

Actually shin malphur is an anime femboy my ubcle works for halo and he said so

[soft copper]

My personal lore

[chrome fog]

[analog torrent]

This person pushes out straight bangers 24/7
Orin comics
Drifter comics
That one thanautonaut with the ever-bleeding hand
Wei Ning-Eriana-3 comics

[soft copper]

my dads John Bungie bro get in line

[chrome fog]

I’m getting off

[ember storm]

John bungie was let go

[soft copper]

Damn

[fiery copper]

Now bungie inc is just inc.

[soft copper]

don’t worry I’ll get number 1 in the world and get his reputation back

[fiery copper]

Also yeah lore

[analog torrent]

Unironically
The people in his original town named his Ghost Tianshi/天使 (Chinese for angel) so they were likely at least Asian
Shin is a male Japanese name
And he straight up wrote messages for us in Japanese in the Lumina quest

[soft copper]

what do we think of the political situation in the house of salvation currently ?

[ember storm]

they’re a bunch of braindead morons and I’m kind of sick of Eramis in total so I don’t really care

[fiery copper]

So how about that new expansion huh? I really liked the part right before [spoiler] where [person] went and [action]ed in the [place]

[fiery copper]

Libertarians

[soft copper]

And what about the economic state of the last city?

I know who I’ll be voting

#VoteEvaLevante

[chrome fog]

She’s not a politician

[soft copper]

fr

dead ass

[chrome fog]

She’s a fashionista, who’s retired even

What

[soft copper]

ong?

[chrome fog]

[fiery copper]

From Achilles Weaves a Coccoon we see that Namrask is specifically SELLING fabrics in the last city, so that rules out socialist and/or communist economic systems, as there would be no need to "sell" that which is collectively owned. So it's for sure some flavor of capitalism. However, considering the fact that humanity is in the process of recovering from an apocalypse, it would not shock me to learn that the city has programs in place to support less fortunate members of society, as opposed to the LA solution of criminalizing homelessness. You need as many hands on deck as possible, and starving hands don't help anyone.

[soft copper]

So your proposing

A coup

I agree

I’ve changed my mind

#VoteFailsafe

[analog torrent]

What context do I need to understand Revelation? Shadowkeep CE? Reading it exploded my brain

[gritty sphinx]

are we canonacly solo for raids

[junior kernel]

playing beyodn light again and just noticed during the cutscene where drifter. elsie, and eris use stasis they have a neomuna silverfish in the end of the cutscene
is that ever explained?

[ember storm]

no

always a team of 6

[gritty sphinx]

who is our fireteam

just randoms

lfg

[ember storm]

make it up

your friends, life long companions, randomly picked

it’s just always six

[gritty sphinx]

the friends we made along the way

[blazing wasp]

They're intentionally left unknown

Same reason we're called the guardian

Our ghost name is ghost

[ember storm]

loose plot thread that was never picked up again until neomuna was fully thought out

[blazing wasp]

That we have no hints to our past

[ember storm]

it would’ve had more reasoning in BL but then Covid hit and a lot of things were scrapped

[junior kernel]

was the ziggurat a "gift" from the witness?

[exotic tiger]

Why did Namrask go to Lakshmis grave?

[ember storm]

Yes

[analog torrent]

Namrask became a better person and tried to atone
Lakshmi clung onto her hatred, although you can see where she was coming from considering she was there when Namrask burned down London
Namrask prolly feels guilty because he was a big part of the reason she hated Eliksni so much, leading to her death

[junior kernel]

what's the background of the pyramdi ship on europa?
The moon one belongs to nezarec iirc

[shadow crypt]

what’s this big thing

is it just a pyramid ship

[junior kernel]

the sun

[shadow crypt]

bro

[slender raft]

Lore discussion

More like heh, bore discussion

[vestal summit]

what happened to the two sweeper bots that Calus had during season of opulence?

[kind charm]

The ergo sum lore tab is from the perspective of the traveller right?

[analog torrent]

sounds like it

[eager trout]

How is Nimbus almost twice as tall as Osiris???

[chrome fog]

Dog Hive : )

[chrome fog]

Cloudstrider augments

[eager trout]

What abilities can Psions have? (Such as the one in Vox Obscura, which can use Arc, Solar, and Void)

[prime anvil]

Does echoes act 1 start after the end of final shape? Before final shape? Or at the same time as final shape? Continuity wise

[fresh zephyr]

After

[dim minnow]

quests and the fact the Echoes stuff isn't out until reset tells us that it happens chronilogically after TFS finale

which was made much more clear than with Risen and Defiance

[prime anvil]

Thank you

[hearty dagger]

Based on spoiler things a thing that happens post the Witness's death is going to be directly related to the events of Echos.

[shadow crypt]

Did these launch with their respective dlc?

On the same date

[ember storm]

yes

they were available from launch

undying and hunt started a week after, but the dates also didn’t really matter for them

[shadow crypt]

Oh ok

[dim minnow]

actually it did for Undying

Undying started after WF GoS

the GoS completion was what led to the Vex invading the Moon

[vestal summit]

do y'all think we'll get to know even more of the traveller as the expansion/season progresses?

i'm still thinking about that voice-line in one of the trailers. "Be brave in dark places".

[analog torrent]

Did savathun have any lingering reaction from getting the shit kicked out of her by Saint over and over again or was she like "aight well that happened"

[slim elk]

Probably not to mess with Saint.

Us killing her once was able to leave enough of an impress she immediately stopped gloating at the sight of us in a lore book

[soft copper]

Crazy we ain’t seen nothing of Xivu Arath and just like

Her army

Isn’t she on the cabal homeworld or some shit?

[eager trout]

Well, she's mortal now

Makes sense she'd stay away

[chrome fog]

Wrathborn. Seraph with the singers mechanic that suppresses abilities and such until you killed the acolyte.

She’s already moved on from that, but is still some ways away from us, most likely for tactical advantage and/or travel time takes a while - Cabal came to the system somewhat close to when she wrecked Torobatl and both races have space travel capabilities so there’s some other factor leading to her delay.

Like Eevee said, she’s vulnerable now that she’s been locked out of her Throneworld, so she should make some significant appearance sometime

[eternal lantern]

So what do we do now when witness is gone

Story end here?

[eager trout]

No

[chrome fog]

There are still many unfinished narratives even with the Witness’ end, such as the Vex as a continued issue and whether they will be further developed as an adversary; the Hive, as we have completely annihilated a good majority of their pantheon and strongest leaders, with Xivu Arath as their last God and champion, as well as the continued existence of the Lucent Hive with Savathun still active and the Hidden Swarm on Luna; Fikrul, first Scorn, has been heading an effort to establish themselves as a genuine society after a number were influenced and/or created by the Witness and its resources, and we will eventually have to cross paths.

Very coincidentally these seem to be the themes of the upcoming Episodes - the replacement model for seasons

[analog torrent]

And the aphelion/aphelions ‼️

[frigid sparrow]

rereading some old stuff from splicer, and god, shattered cipher still makes me sad. We never got a followup to Vriiksis's story, did we?

yknow what maybe amanda deserved to get blown up for getting an innocent eliksni killed

[chrome fog]

That is NOT the takeaway for that story

If anything they should have recognized that the Eliksni did not have a great understanding of human customs and terms and helped correct them

The escalation of overreaction is key in highlighting how the Endless Night was influencing others to act on their worse parts

[frigid sparrow]

yeah well that did not happen and they instead got merced then dissolved in acid which is kind of something that's weird to just gloss over

[chrome fog]

It was already covered in the end of the season

Like, by that point, it had been illustrated to Saint and the City that their fears and stigmas against the Eliksni - whilst with valid basis - was unfounded when House Light helped come to the defense of the Last City

[frigid sparrow]

I don't recall any kind of punishments towards the general people of the city who acted against the eliksni, it was the factions who had taken a lot of the flak

[chrome fog]

That’s the whole narrative arc

[frigid sparrow]

(because 2/3 of the factions did create a lot of the hysteria)

[chrome fog]

Let the people stew in recognizing they were disgustingly awful for a moment. A small torment to itch in their mind and have to remind themselves “it was the Endless Night”.

And again, Saint serving as the perfect example for this kinda sorta, he’s very quick about making reparations but the implications from his legend as “The Saint” being horrifying to the audience should also be applied to the Last City citizens and their own actions

Imagine remembering that time you hate crimed someone for a fairly small issue and having to live with that

[frigid sparrow]

personally I do not have any memories of something like that 💀

[chrome fog]

In due part because they, as leadership of the Last City, had abused their power to further an agenda that dispensed harmful rhetoric towards House Light. Any consequences faced by individuals has yet to be expounded upon, but I think Bungie is leaving it to players’ imagination because whilst simple, the whole season is themed around biases and discrimination

[chrome fog]

That’s why I’m suggesting using imagination, it would be a shame for anyone here to actually have committed a hate crime

[wintry moth]

I find what you have said so so SO funny. Not because I'm laughing at you, but because I'm laughing at the people who aren't connecting the dots here. There are a lot of instances in Destiny where it actually represents something that is happening in the real world, and it's kinda funny sometimes to see those kinds of people play this game and not realize those takeaways for everyday life.

[lofty badge]

[chrome fog]

Real. My favorite one is the overarching narrative for the Light and Darkness Saga, in that the Witness and wherein related to it could be taken as representative of nihilistic thought that encourages acting on one’s worse instincts and to only look out for oneself. They also carry a heavy theme of the dangers of only recognizing the first main aspect of nihilism - that being the meaninglessness of existence - and why forcefully defining how life should be lived is not healthy. “Guardians make their own Fate” whilst like said by the dev team was an innocuous line, really defines what our side is fighting for: freedom to choose your own life and pursue your best idealized self.

Also something to be said of stillness being its solution to the pain of existence and how that parallels to nihilistic existentialism often driving individuals to give up and not make anything of themselves, not taking the opportunity to realize that without an inherent meaning to existence, they are free to set that meaning for themselves.

[grand jungle]

whats the name of mithirax daughter?

[blazing wasp]

Eido

Named after sjur eido

[lofty badge]

Can taken be perma killed then again we did kill Quira

[mental meadow]

If the witness was born of a civilisation betrayed by the traveler, and using the veil, then where does the veil come from?

And how did it go from the witnesses original homeworld to Neomuna

[trim grotto]

Same answer as where the Traveler came from

[trim grotto]

It was taken by the Black Fleet to Sol in order to establish the connection between it and the Traveler. Savathûn stole it, and hid it on Neptune.

[mental meadow]

Next saga better be 'exposition and explanation'

Was savathun with the darkness up untill her original death?

[lofty badge]

I think Savathun offiacly betrayed the witness in season of arrivals

[blazing wasp]

She begun plotting to use the light when oryx died

[trim grotto]

She betrayed the Witness and slew Nezarec in order to steal the Veil.

[mental meadow]

Was it the witness who originally converted the worms

[blazing wasp]

Yes

[mental meadow]

Which them converted the 3 'hive' sisters?

Don't remember what the original race was called

[blazing wasp]

Yep

Krill

[mental meadow]

🦐

[trim grotto]

Rhulk, technically.

[mental meadow]

Rhulk was originally part of another race too right

Damn how many races has the witness converted/ wiped out

[trim grotto]

Countless! Which is to say, we don't know. Perhaps we never shall, as it is an ancient being from a place far, far from Sol.

[lofty badge]

Likly in the millions

[mental meadow]

The witness chased the fallen from riis?

After the traveler fled

[trim grotto]

It caused the Whirlwind, yes. It is possible the Hive were also there, but yes.

[mental meadow]

So is it likely the fallen would also be wiped out / converted if they hadn't followed the traveler to sol

A fallen disciple would be awesome

Or is that just what the beyond light campaign was

[trim grotto]

That was essentially Eramis, though she failed in her task and so never actually became one.

[mental meadow]

So the witnesses power comes from the veil

Stasis and strand also?

[trim grotto]

Well, the Witness used the Veil to become stronger and amalgamate into what it is today, but it wields its own power.

Strand was unknown to the Witness before we used it in Lightfall.
Stasis was a power used by the Witness, however.

[mental meadow]

Stasis was given to / taught to us by the witnesses In an effort to get us to join right? Embrace salvation or whatever

[lofty badge]

Ye

[trim grotto]

Essentially, yes. Join us, succumb to corruption, look at the power I can give, so on so forth.

[mental meadow]

think of all the team wipes you could get with that cool new shatterdive, guardian..

[lofty badge]

House Salvation fell for that too

[mental meadow]

Well I mean, the witness wasn't necessarily lying

It promises it's own idea of salvation, and it did grant them power

[lofty badge]

Yeah

But many of house Salvation later became mindless vessels for the Witness like Wrathborne and scorn

[mental meadow]

What about taken
Was oryx the first granted the power to take by the witness?

[lofty badge]

That we know of

[fresh zephyr]

Did the Drifter hook up with Eris? (Scientific question)

[lofty badge]

Mabye

[trim grotto]

They've grown close.

[trim grotto]

As far as we know, yes, but there are Taken older than even Oryx himself.

[lofty badge]

Rhulk likly had command over taken before oryx

[mental meadow]

Are there any taken guardians

Apart from Sloane but she's kinda an anomaly

Not properly taken, and not under anyone's control

[lofty badge]

Unsure

[trim grotto]

Other than Sloane, no.

[mental meadow]

Damn oryx sleeping

If I were him there would be taken ghosts and guardians all over the place doing my bidding

Vex are just their own thing right?

Some worship the witness

[trim grotto]

Vex are their own thing, aside from the Sol Divisive, yes.

[jagged badge]

Uhhh, I dunno how to tell you this but uhh

[lofty badge]

He Dead

We killed him quite soon after he arrived

[mental meadow]

What you mean the massive oryx looking fella in the taken king dlc was
oryx???

Who continues taking after oryx was delt with

[lofty badge]

Wut

Oh um

Savathun, the witness etc

Likely Xivu too

[blazing wasp]

Riven did some taking

So did... naeem was their name?

No, hekand something

[trim grotto]

Naeem was the Lightbearer.

[lofty badge]

Did the Midnight Coup happend before or after the Collapse given how long lived the Cabal are

[trim grotto]

I don't think we can actually answer that. Hang on, let me check something.

[lofty badge]

🤔

[mental meadow]

Was the coup against calus?

[lofty badge]

Yes

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[mental meadow]

For Gauls rule

Ghaul

Whatever the spelling is

[lofty badge]

Gary

[mental meadow]

How long do cabal live.

[trim grotto]

one question at a time i need to delve into documents

[lofty badge]

Mabye it was before? Given the scout legions send to sol after the Collapse served Ghaul

[trim grotto]

Unknown, but potentially long. Calus is over a thousand years old.

Also, fun fact.

"Her ruling days were coming to a close. But the Praetorate, those canny slavemongers, they wanted her to remain on the throne so they could avoid the chaos of a succession. They put her on a ship modeled after a landwhale. Its mouth was a scoop, so it would never have to stop to refuel. They accelerated it to the edge of light and flew it in an endless procession around our worlds. So that the empress, fossilized in slow time, would never die. So that I would never assume the throne.”
"What happened to the old empress?" I ask.
"Oh, she took her own life, I think. Who could go on living that way?”```

[lofty badge]

Huh

[mental meadow]

Lmao

Ain't no way they used relativity to slow the aging of their puppet empress

[trim grotto]

It is likely before, but I can't find anything specific from a quick glance. I'll get back to you.

[glossy coral]

I have read too much lore the past few days and now desperately need this exotic:

Orin‘s Journey
War Hammer
I I I I I I I I I AM THE END OF ALL THINGS

Man season of the drifter lore is good

[paper maple]

So what would have Oryx thought of the Witness's Final Shape?

[ember storm]

probably that it would be too lame and uncool

[trim grotto]

Not a fan. Most of the Disciples or followers had different ideas of what the Final Shape was. To the Hive, it was whatever was strong enough to become immortal, that which could not be killed.

That was the idea, of course. Everyone was on board because they all thought the Witness was doing what they thought the Final Shape was.

[ember storm]

Ironic that Calus, being one who knew fully well what the witness wanted, basically just thought it was uncreative

he never really wanted the final shape, he just wanted to be proven right about his morose outlook on life

he wanted to be “on the winning team” but the moment that required him actually putting in effort he hated it

[tender cove]

Can we discuss the dlc here without spoiler tags?

[ember storm]

no

[heavy ivy]

I haven't played The Final Shape yet and this is my prediction:

The Guardian finally sees the Witness: "It's Destiny time" charges towards him, applies debuff and wins

[blazing wasp]

You cant even discuss tfs stuff here with spoiler tags.

[tender cove]

Too bad, spoiler chat doesn't look like a place to discuss lore. Well maybe later then.

[blazing wasp]

Spoiler chat is the place to discuss all spoilers, save for "is this roll good" on tfs guns

this includes tfs lore

[brisk sparrow]

Bug Receive The Prismatic

I'm really starting to get bored with your games and the extension bug
Or I do the first mission until I arrive where we have to interact with the tear

normally it's the E key on PC but I can't interact and that means I'm completely stuck
In addition I also tried to check the Destiny 2 game files from Steam and no problem.

I also deleted my characters and once again this did not solve the problem and when I joined a squad I did not receive the Prismatic

I'm starting to regret my purchase of this extension because it's a complete bug

Its fact that I pre-ordered this expansion for nothing and thank you for stealing Bungie that I did not take advantage of my purchase and finished this campaign

[eager trout]

Bro is Jabba the Hutt

[jagged badge]

Several things wrong here. This is the lore channel. New content would go in spoiler channel. But also, we aren’t Bungie

Reporting bugs here is useless

;affiliation

[candid inlet]

This server has no affiliation with Bungie - it is a fan based discord server run by fans. We have no contact with Bungie or their developers.

Have a bug to report or having in-game issues?
👉HERE 👈

Suspect someone of cheating?
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[eager trout]

If you do it with a fireteam you have to do it again solo to get Prismatic, I think. If not, just wait for them to fix it.

[eager trout]

You'd think the Cabal would be the type to brute force their way through everything, being a warmongering empire and all, but that's actually the Vex.

[brisk sparrow]

I have already sent my message on their forum but I don't think they will solve this problem because this is what it says

[eager trout]

Are they stupid?

[brisk sparrow]

Prismatic Unlock Soft-Lock
It is possible to soft-lock yourself out of the Prismatic subclass within the old tower prismatic conflux.
If youve already unlocked it for a class, delete said class & try to unlock prismatic again you will not be able to as the prompt to interact with the conflux will be missing.
Buying the campaign skip will not fix this issue. Resetting the mission will not fix the issue. Pressing your binded transcend button will not fix the issue. Resetting the game will not fix the issue. Verifying the integrity of game files will not fix the issue.
THERE IS NO SOLUTION TO THIS ISSUE CURRENTLY
You will be completely soft-locked out of unlocking prismatic for that character & in turn be unable to progress the campaign.
This bug is repeatable and unfortunately easy to execute unknowingly.
Bungie is currently ‘investigating’ this issue, however I doubt we’ll see a fix within this Tuesdays patch notes.
Bungie Help - After the raid completion/contest this should be one, if not, the biggest concern you have for the Final Shape DLC. Currently there is hundreds of players currently who cannot progress the campaign & are starting to refund their expansion due to this bug.
Thanks

the fact is that I bought this extension in a vacuum

[jagged badge]

None of this belongs in this channel dude

[eager trout]

That sounds like a Reddit post from someone who's biased against Bungie and tries to paint them as apathic.

And what even is the bug?

[jagged badge]

Don’t encourage discussion of it here

This is all still spoiler stuff

[trim grotto]

This is a lore channel. We discuss the story and universe of the world. It is also a fan discord, it isn't connected to Bungie. Also, it's a new DLC, so they'll obviously have some kinks to iron out.

There is nothing we can do, we have no reason to read it, and it's in the wrong channel even if we did.

Also, this is about Prismatic, so it wouldn't belong outside of #1247252842465460225 anyway.

[mental meadow]

This also isnt a bungie discord

completley unofficial, no one here can do anything

[brisk sparrow]

No it's not a spoiler I have this problem on this game

[jagged badge]

Spoiler channel is for all new content. This is discussion of new content

We can’t help you here

[trim grotto]

This is a fan discord's lore channel. It doesn't matter whether you have a problem or not.

[heavy ivy]

Damn, nobody thinks my gigantic brain prediction is correct

[brisk sparrow]

great welcome

[jagged badge]

What do you want from us lmao

We directed you to the appropriate channel already

[trim grotto]

What do you expect from us? You're in an irrelevant channel talking about a problem we can't fix.

[heavy ivy]

Wait did you

Post a gameplay bug in the LORE DISCUSSION channel?

Just argue it's a part of the story 🤷🏾

Lol

[chrome fog]

When Stasis got its first major nerfs, there was a lore entry explaining exactly that this was to ensure more Guardians wanted to use it more

[chrome fog]

Hefned

[jagged badge]

Hefnd

[chrome fog]

Neat

[empty fern]

Real, guardian lore

[outer dragon]

Broski really out here mad that he unlocked Prismatic on a class then deleted the class and broke the game. All choices made by dude, unforced by bungli

[floral beacon]

No u get it at the end of the mission I had that problem on my titan ( I only read like the first 4 sentences)

[fresh zephyr]

What's the lore reason for missiles falling down on europa, around cadmus ridge

[jagged badge]

It’s not missiles. I think the idea is it’s debris from the Morningstar orbital station after it got blown up and dropped from orbit

[glossy coral]

Man I love this game's lore

I can just pick any exotic and proceed down a rabbit hole

[chrome fog]

Yep

[glossy coral]

I touched Malfeasance by accident

Then Drifter, Dredgen, Shin, ...

it just kinda kept going from there

[chrome fog]

Actually how we suggest people get into the lore, just saying you want to get into the story as a whole is a big task, but growing from a little entry and seeing how it sprawls out and webs to other entries and events gets the ball rolling

[glossy coral]

I also now have a exotic I want in the game that I'm very sad is not

I feel like there will be more

A lot more

Please Bungie, I just want Orin's Warhammer

Just this big fuckoff, gravity hammer lookin ass thing, with I I I I I I I I I AM THE END OF ALL THINGS written across it

[chrome fog]

I think she’s a Solar Titan, so the Burning Maul is your pick

Would be cool if there were an exotic “Glaive” that’s a hammer and modifies your Burning Maul

[ember storm]

yeah she crippled Xur with a solar hammer

or, well, not that word

permanently vertically challenged him

[still bay]

Is Zavala an awoken?

[ember storm]

yeah

[still bay]

Why is he part of the vanguard then

Shouldn’t he be in the dreaming city and stuff

[ember storm]

there were loads of awoken that just left to go join humanity

in addition to that, guardians are resurrected with no memories of their mortal lives

[still bay]

Was there a reason or did they just feel like it

[ember storm]

any awoken who died and became a guardian wouldn’t have any direct connection to the awoken army, and would instead just go down to earth

[ember storm]

all the awoken under Mara’s rule left their little safe pocket dimension specifically to help humanity

some took it even further and went on their own, while others stayed to live under Mara’s rule

so either genuine wanting to help or just loyalty to Mara

[jagged badge]

Awoken Guardians are loyal to the City and the Vanguard, not the Awoken

[chrome fog]

Some become loyal to the Awoken again like Orin from earlier, but yes strictly speaking a Lightbearer Awoken doesn’t automatically make them part of the Awoken communities outside of the Last City

[plain sparrow]

Most likely dumb question. But was nezarec ever at any point a lightbearer?

[smoky rose]

No

[plain sparrow]

Ty

[ruby cedar]

Quick question. I just found out that The seasonal quests for Shadowkeep is not available any more 😦

does the final quests bridge the gap between next xpac?

[viral cedar]

Is destiny 2 about to end since the sword of the guardian dying event got released ?

[analog torrent]

no

[ember storm]

it wasn’t much of an event, and destiny 2 isn’t ending, also that wasn’t a real sword on the grave

[ruby cedar]

Bop

[broken zephyr]

Can and how do Exo’s taste food?

[empty fern]

Golden age tech and uhhh, tongue nerves or something?

[ruby cedar]

Well thank you for your help xD

[chrome fog]

Maybe might come back, they have been reprising old exotic quests like Whisper, Zero Hour, and what not

But Quests are generally side-narratives that are connected but not necessary to the main seasonal stories

For instance, the Malfeasance quest

[ruby cedar]

Thank you! Oki I hope starting next xpac wont be confusing

i am trying to replay as much of story as I can

[chrome fog]

Technically rounded out the Gambit season, reestablished Drifter’s paranoia and his specific trust in you, and a little bit of dabbling in the Darkness

[ruby cedar]

before each xpac

No idea who drifter is xD

[gentle geyser]

Shadow is kind of a waste of an expansion, the only reason its still in the game is because its the first introduction to the black fleet

[chrome fog]

If you’d like we have a summary of most expansions, and Ishtar Collective has a pretty comprehensive timeline of the Destiny universe
#📚lore-discussion message
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/timeline/

[chrome fog]

Hush you

[gentle geyser]

Im right

[chrome fog]

Still, yer too dour

[empty fern]

Too sour even

[ruby cedar]

thanks x

Both of you

I think i have finished Shadowkeep and it felt..

like it ended abruptly?

or wasnt an end

All it was some mysterious voice spoke to us

and thats it

dont know who they are , all they said is that they will be our salvation

[chrome fog]

Arrivals is important as caps off that expansion year’s story and leads into the next

The Seasonal Stories matter more than the exotic quests and such, and now I’m realizing that that’s what you meant earlier

[ruby cedar]

OH yeah thats what I meant sorry!

this one

so I cant play it any more?

[chrome fog]

No worries, yeah

All seasonal content was removed once the next expansion was released

[ruby cedar]

I guess I need to find a good lore video online

[chrome fog]

Now Bungie’s moving towards an Episode format

[ruby cedar]

before I get to next xpac

[chrome fog]

Both the summaries in the pins and the timeline from Ishtar cover the seasonal stories and their major beats

[ruby cedar]

I will see if I can find a lore video on each season

[chrome fog]

There is also the Destiny Lore Vault and Bungie’s own compilations of dialogues and quest steps on Youtube

[dark trench]

whilst The Final Shape is going on (or ig done now), where are The Nine and what are they up to?

[chrome fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

They’ve been majorly absent since Arrivals, when they opened up the Prophecy dungeon to us

Which would be fair because trying to fuck about with our efforts to save existence would threaten their very own existence

[chrome fog]

https://youtube.com/@destinylorevault?si=6CUKjgz1UsLbD9Rq
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw2gyMFmq40rr688Tg-k0zygEZAK3F8W5&si=Jgjt87m9DBql1QVo

Us lorechat members are also available to help most lore questions too if you need

[ruby cedar]

Is there a Lore Youtuber or some you could recomend?

The black garden lore sounds interesting

[chrome fog]

Byf is most people’s go to, also Myelin

Ishtar Collective also has topic pages on specific places, events, individuals, and more

[analog torrent]

Meromorphic is also good if you want to listen to the lorebooks in their full form with all the details as audiobooks

[ruby cedar]

yay ❤️

[chrome fog]

I would also cautiously suggest Destinypedia, it is notorious for having the many markings of most mid-tier fan maintained wikis in that they are susceptible to errors, but otherwise a good way to source entries to further research topics in Destiny

You can use it, just make sure to search up the referenced entry in Ishtar or Destiny Lore Vault transcripts

[empty fern]

It’s powerful enough to make beyond light

[chrome fog]

TFWiki or BioSector01, Destinypedia is not

(Boffum good wikis and TFWiki is very funny)

TO REITERATE, Destinypedia is some fuckery that you should never trust outright but it helps with finding related lore entries and references in a pinch sometimes

[empty fern]

[faint ice]

quick question, ive been trying to catch up on my lore but i must have missed this. how is the witch queen back?

i did skip out this section in byfs 10 hour lore video. so its my own fault

[empty fern]

[lofty marten]

What is the veil??

[jagged badge]

She was resurrected in Season of the Witch

We needed her to tell us how to get through the portal to follow the Witness, but she would only come out if we dealt with Xivu. Eris was sorta tricky about this and in the finale of that season, she demanded Immaru resurrect Savathûn just so she could immediately kill her and gain all of Savathûn’s stored power in tithes. Then she banished Xivu from her Throne and Savathûn was resurrected again

[faint ice]

thanks, and thank you for taking the time to answer!

[jagged badge]

It’s essentially the Darkness equivalent of the Traveler in a sense

The Witness’ species were blessed with Light but eventually they sought Darkness which lead them to the Veil

[paper gorge]

who is Aisha?

[jagged badge]

A Hunter who was/is on Shayura’s fireteam. Assuming you know who Shayura is

I think she’s a Hunter anyway

[paper gorge]

is she the one who started to perma kill guardians after they started to use stasis right ?

[chrome fog]

Actually no, that was Shayura, Aisha and Reed-7 tried to prevent her from doing so

[jagged badge]

I think they were talking about Shayura then

[jagged badge]

That’s Shayura yeah. Fortunately she got some therapy since and she even went back out into the field to confront the Witness itself…that unfortunately did not end so well

She, Aisha and Reed got sliced

And more unfortunately, Reed’s Ghost also got sliced

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-lightfall-titan-ghost-light-gif-27606637

Aisha and Shayura’s Ghosts survived to be able to rez the both of them

[paper gorge]

that's them?

[slim latch]

The Witness shows itself to ancient Buddhists

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[chrome fog]

Might be an actual influence in the design process for the Witness, but there was no contact with the Pyramid forces until maybe centuries after our current time, more specifically the K1 Anomaly being discovered on Luna and it guiding Clovis to Europa where he found Clarity Control - one of those statues of a veiled lady in the Pyramid ships

If this is Final Shape content, wait til the 11th

Until then #1247252842465460225

#📚lore-discussion message

[lofty marten]

Fineeeeee

[eager trout]

Why would the Witness not slice all three Ghosts?

[jagged badge]

[eager trout]

What can Psions do? (Apart from normal psionic things like telepathy and telekinesis)

[trim grotto]

They may simply have not been materialised at the time

[dim minnow]

They can inflict psionic visions unto people

[eager trout]

That falls under telepathy

Does Golden Gun create a gun from Solar energy, or infuse Solar energy into a gun?

[chrome fog]

You summon a Golden Gun even if you don’t have a hand canon

Soooo

[wintry moth]

I'd imagine that's probably the next big thing alongside the backstory of the vex, although we might get answers to that this season so who knows.

[jagged badge]

Yes

It can be both

[wintry moth]

I think Shin Malphur puts his solar energy into a gun ?

There are more instances of guardians focusing their solar energy into guns, but they aren't called "Golden Guns". They're more described as being powered with the light, still just as powerful but just a distinction from Shin Malphur popularizing the term of a golden solar handcannon.

[jagged badge]

Ana did a Golden 18 Kelvins or whatever it’s called

[wintry moth]

Oh yeah the sidearm

[eager trout]

Titans when they learn they can make Golden Rocket Launcher:

[broken relic]

Wow, once more the Exo gets fridged /s

[proper geyser]

What are the vex

Im confused af about their lore

[wintry moth]

They're the fluid that you see in their chests.

[delicate cypress]

what is strand

[wintry moth]

Their origins are unknown iirc

[dim minnow]

the origin given to them in Unveiling is the most likely

even if the book itself is heavily allegorical, a lot of the info in it regarding the Vex lines up with other lore

[proper geyser]

Yeah ik that but how are they related to the darkness

[shadow crypt]

What are the origins of strand

[proper geyser]

That’s confusing to me

[dim minnow]

the Vex aren't linked to Darkness per say

[proper geyser]

Bro play lightfall

[dim minnow]

the Sol Divisive are a specific subcollective of Vex that worship the Witness and the Darkness by proxy

[broken relic]

The Vex are the perfect practitioners of the Darkness's principles

[dim minnow]

more accurately the Witness' principles

though to the Witness they are merely pawns

[wintry moth]

Uhh i mean the guardian is kinda the origin of Strand. But Strand itself is just a physical representation of psychic energy

[dim minnow]

like everyone else

[proper geyser]

So they just do whatever the witness wants them to do

[dim minnow]

Strand is a byproduct of the Veil

well, our ability to harness strand is a byproduct of the Veil

[wintry moth]

ya

[proper geyser]

Aren’t they all just one being though like one hive mind

[dim minnow]

Strand is already present, but the Veil allowed us to see and interact with it on Neomuna which allowed us to harness Strand everywhere else

[dim minnow]

they aren;t actually

but they are easily confused for one

you see, each individual Vex operates so perfectly in line with the others that they give off the appearance of one

but there are cases where this isn;t the case

[wintry moth]

In simple terms, the Vex serve the Vex, but the witness isn't going to really turn down extra forces to help its goal.

[dim minnow]

for instance, Nessus Vex look down on Virgo Prohibition (Mars Vex) because they are ineffective at their job which is to repel the Cabal stationed there

[shadow crypt]

bro that campaign was not memorable enough

[proper geyser]

That’s dope af

[proper geyser]

Fair can’t blame you

[dim minnow]

and the majority of Vex are wary of the Sol Divisive

[proper geyser]

But the end goal of the vex is unclear then ?

[dim minnow]

oh also, the VEx aren;t really the milk either

the Vex are reductive patterns contained within the milk

[proper geyser]

They just formed an alliance because of similar goals then

[dim minnow]

WHY DOES IT ALWAYS SEMICOLON WHEN I WANT APOSTROPHE

[wintry moth]

Essentially yeah

[broken relic]

I don't really see this one, it feels to me that the final shape described in unveiling and the one the witness works towards are completely different

[proper geyser]

We know so little about the vex damn

[dim minnow]

to be more accurate, the Sol Divisive believed that serving the Witness will get them closer to fulfilling the Vex goal

the ultimate goal of the Vex is to turn everything else into Vex

pretty much universal domination

[wintry moth]

New episode prob. gonna go over that so

[proper geyser]

Ah I see

Still would be cool to get deeper into their origin and such

[dim minnow]

and again, important to mention, the Sol Divisive are the only group of Vex that actually serve the Witness

[broken relic]

Vex as the final shape is described as a hyper darwinist apex of existence that exists because its the only thing that deserves to exist but the final shape of the witness seems to be closer to just complete stasis of everything

[proper geyser]

Destiny 3 main threat being the vex would be cool

[wintry moth]

I think the idea of total domination of creating something in a specific image is the connection the Sol Divisive made

That's how I see it at least

[proper geyser]

I see

[dim minnow]

personally, I consider it more like the Sol Divisive want to attain paracausality

the main weakness the Vex have is that they cannot simulate paracausality

[wintry moth]

That too

[broken relic]

Sol Divisive takes a different approach because paracausality is a hard counter to the Vex but they both have the same goal

That being making everything Vex and Vex simulation

[dim minnow]

there's also my favorite set of lroe excerpts regarding the Vex'

[proper geyser]

And what was the black heart then

[candid inlet]

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The Vex are, so far, simply curious. But Vex curiosity always leads to Vex transformation [...]

The Vex will not rest until every star has been crushed into a black hole and every newborn cosmos filled with more Vex. And in the unending array of their enslaved cosmos, they will simulate all possible pasts, and fill those with Vex, so that all things that have ever lived or might ever live will experience infestation and consumption and torment by the silica nightmare.

And in those devoured simulations, the simulated Vex will use our flesh as hosts for yet more nested universes full of yet more nested copies of us eternally tormented by yet more Vex.

An infinite regression of pain and madness inflicted upon every possible version of us in every possible world. Not because they hate us, or fear us, or want to punish us. But because they are indifferent and curious, and they will do every possible thing to us in every possible way.```

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[dim minnow]

a failed copy of the Veil

[broken relic]

Basically yeah

[proper geyser]

[dim minnow]

the Hezen Corrective sought to use energy from the Black Heart to power the Vault of Glass

[proper geyser]

Dawg y’all are just making me ask more questions

[wintry moth]

lmaooo

[dim minnow]

they then wanted to use the Vault of Glass to essentially do what the Witness was trying to do with the Pale Heart

[wintry moth]

Vex are just milk creatures that have different goals based on their groups

[proper geyser]

I actually know way less than I thought and I already thought I know nothing

[dim minnow]

oh no, they all have the same goal

[broken relic]

Just different approaches

[dim minnow]

they just do different things to try and reach/help to reach that goal

[proper geyser]

Ah that makes sense

[wintry moth]

sorry when i said goals i meant the process of said goals

yeah

[proper geyser]

But why is the failed veil a lump of darkness

And why are they praying to the failed thing and not the real one

[dim minnow]

because the Veil is the Dark equivalent to the Traveler

[wintry moth]

The veil is the opposite of the Traveler when talking about light and dark

[dim minnow]

the Witness didn't know where the real one was

at that time

[proper geyser]

YO REALLY ?

[wintry moth]

Yeah because Savathun hid it ?

[ember storm]

the veil is the ultimate source of darkness in the universe

[proper geyser]

Damn when did they reveal that

[ember storm]

the vex were given the opportunity to study it so they did, and the sol divisive then tried to copy it

[dim minnow]

well you see, the Witness didn't figure out its location until it subdued the Traveler at the start of Lightfall

[ember storm]

it could never match up to the full power of the full, but it did hit two key markers

the very existence of the black heart was detrimental to the traveler, meaning there was some sort of link

and it also was a limitless reservoir of darkness they could use

[dim minnow]

and the Witness was secretly trying to figure out where the Veil was throughout the entirety of the WQ year

[proper geyser]

And savathun hid it on neomuna

[wintry moth]

But Savathicc hid it yeah

[dim minnow]

which was told to us in the raid

[ember storm]

she just hid it on Neptune, where the Ishtar colony including Maya Sundaresh found it

[proper geyser]

That’s actually a cool story why didn’t they tell it in the fucking dlc about the veil 💀

[ember storm]

they built Neomuna around it while they studied it

[dim minnow]

then the Vex (not Sol Divisive) hid Neomuna

so they could try and learn about the Veil unhindered

[proper geyser]

Ah yeah she stole it from Nezarec right

[dim minnow]

yes

[wintry moth]

I thought Neomuna hid themselves because they didn't want to be found by the Warlords on Earth?

[dim minnow]

that too, but the Vex also helped in hiding the city

[proper geyser]

The vex helped ?

[dim minnow]

the Neomuni just wanted to make sure no records of Neptune colonies remained on Earth

[ember storm]

indirectly, not a conscious act of them

[chrome fog]

1. when they had their excursion into Oryx’s Throneworld some long time ago, they discovered simulating entities to worship the worms around them allowed them to accrue a bit of Ascendent Energy
2. they then applied this to the Black Heart and used it to power/construct the various ontological weapons they have built that have threatened existence as we know it, such as the Vault of Glass, which had the ability to rewrite history within its physical confines

[wintry moth]

more of a byproduct of the vex wanting to hide too

[dim minnow]

the Vex used simulation fuckery to make Neomuna hidden so they can, as I said, observe the Veil unhindered

[chrome fog]

Does Soteria factor into this?

[proper geyser]

Ah I see

[dim minnow]

a fragment of Soteria remained on the first colony ship to reach Neptune

it was the reason why the ship reached it in the first place

[chrome fog]

Yes, but did it being based on Ishtar’s research of the Vex influence the surrounding Vex to help camouflage Neomuna?

[proper geyser]

And the veil is more of an object because you can just move it around it doesn’t have a will like the traveler ?

[chrome fog]

Uncertain as of now

[proper geyser]

I see

I ain’t even know that

That’s crazy

[wintry moth]

So far the Traveler has shown to have individuality at some level and the Veil is kinda just a thing with roots

[proper geyser]

So the darkness isn’t even that dark it’s just what you make of it

[wintry moth]

Pretty much

[proper geyser]

Didn’t they say it was like the manifestation of conscience

And light was your will ?

[wintry moth]

That's how Chioma Esi described it yes

[proper geyser]

So it’s not even light and dark

The dark was just the witness

[chrome fog]

She has spoken and appeared to others, so she is demonstrably sentient and a living being

[wintry moth]

Ya

[proper geyser]

That’s why bungie said the light and dark saga is over cause it aint even about light and the dark doesn’t exist

[ember storm]

the light and dark saga was about the struggle spurred on by the witness

[wintry moth]

Yeah its more just about the Veil and the Traveler atp

The light and dark were just blanket terms thrown around

[ember storm]

it’s not like we’ll never have traveler or veil stories again

[chrome fog]

Bingo, THANK YOU. You have no idea how difficult it was trying to get this point across to some people
#📚lore-discussion message

[proper geyser]

Yeah y’all really answered all my questions perfectly

Makes perfect sense

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-victory-entourage-winning-success-gif-5410487

[ember storm]

Groovy

[proper geyser]

So know we gotta figure out what the traveler and the veil really are and xivu and savathun are up to

[wintry moth]

Yeup

Along with the scorn

[proper geyser]

The fallen are pretty much just chillin same with the cabal

[chrome fog]

Thank God we have moved on from the dark ages of Beyond Light theorizing

[wintry moth]

Uhhh if we're talking about house of light and Caital's army then yeah we cool

[ember storm]

not if Aunor has anything to say about it

actually has she even been referenced in four years

[proper geyser]

Aren’t the scorn just mindless dark Ether infused fallen

[wintry moth]

yeah they kinda just silly

[ember storm]

they’re beginning to grow their own sense of individuality and culture

which is concerning for multiple reasons

[wintry moth]

means there's some kind of leader ?

[ember storm]

especially with the fact some of them just get back up after being killed, with zero outside intervention

[ember storm]

no

they’re just doing that

[wintry moth]

see scorn just silly

[ember storm]

sure, Fikrul is still out there, but they’re developing

[wintry moth]

silly little guys

[ember storm]

they started having fight clubs in Lost

these were the same scorn that were stuck in the dreaming city loop for like three years

they’ve had no contact with the outside world

and they developed

[wintry moth]

they will evolve into crabs

ultimate form

[ember storm]

they already are crabs

[wintry moth]

damn

you're right

[ember storm]

literally they are

[proper geyser]

Money money money

[ember storm]

we’ve just moved on from vague insectoid theming, that’s helmed by the hive now

fallen are literally crustacean adjacent

[proper geyser]

Aren’t they more like spiders

[wintry moth]

they will become the ultimate lifeform

[chrome fog]

It’s been mainly Fikrul who’s been doing this, isn’t that the implication of his involvement with the lore in the Warlord dungeon?

[ember storm]

nothing about them is like spiders except for the guy who calls himself Spider because his helmet is shaped like a spider

[chrome fog]

And his body is kinda like a spider if you squint

[proper geyser]

Isn’t fikrul dead

[wintry moth]

no

[ember storm]

he’s just fat and sits in a chair

the chair has legs but they don’t even work

it’s just a hammock

[chrome fog]

Basically comes back to life every time due to Uldren’s wish; the Strike where we kill him references this multiple times

[proper geyser]

Yeah I never got that

[chrome fog]

Big rotund body with a head, then six limbs kinda

[proper geyser]

I just thought they were yapping

[ember storm]

what is there to miss

the description of the strike references him coming back from the dead

all of the dialogue is about him wanting revenge and that he’ll keep coming back

[proper geyser]

Yeah but he never did nothing so I just assumed hes dead

[wintry moth]

Yeah Fikrul wanted to recruit the fallen that were from the House of Kings, who died in the castle.

[ember storm]

again, the scorn in lost has zero outside world contact

[proper geyser]

Scorn are kinda whack ngl

Should have just kept him dead

[wintry moth]

Also yeah Fikrul tried to steal an egg during Season of the Wish

[ember storm]

Fikrul has them “developed” but they’re all solely focused on his teachings

[proper geyser]

So the one we fought during that final shape mission was the real fikrul

[ember storm]

they revere him as father, only seek to further his interests, and have no other reason for existing

[ember storm]

no

[proper geyser]

Damn

[chrome fog]

Still wouldn’t Fikrul’s camp be the bigger movement in recent events?

[chrome fog]

Also careful, no FS stuff til the 11th

[wintry moth]

ope

[chrome fog]

[ember storm]

almost all the scorn we’ve fought barring WR have been black fleet scorn

they’ve been left to their own devices and joined the witness willingly

they’ll keep going no matter what

Fikrul has no control over them

[wintry moth]

I think Fikrul might become that symbol for them though. I mean we still have Echoes to go through for the Scorn in the background to develop

[ember storm]

he’s not really letting them develop is the point

he keeps them stagnant with his incredibly skewed worldview and textbook definition insanity

the fact they’re not mindless husks isn’t much of an achievement

[wintry moth]

isn't there a chance he develops too? im just spitballing

[ember storm]

the purple-wearing black fleet scorn are actually becoming individual

[proper geyser]

Purple wearing ?

Am I blind

[wintry moth]

yeah they have purple ripped clothing iirc

[proper geyser]

Never noticed that

[ember storm]

he’s still just hung up on Uldren

he’s been waiting for him ever since forsaken actually

[proper geyser]

All the same to me 👴

[ember storm]

he promised to return and he’s just waiting

[ember storm]

it’s all their armor too

[wintry moth]

ya

[ember storm]

https://preview.redd.it/6rv9em0zn0v81.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=61a66f797d286baf06db9b4d1f694f6a72378246

Fikrul’s scorn are just yellow and brown scrap metal

[proper geyser]

Yeah

[chrome fog]

That feels extremely counterintuitive to the entry for Buried Bloodline
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/buried-bloodline

[ember storm]

I am referencing buried bloodline

they are not developing

changing from non-mindless corpses is not the point

they are still just subservient puppets with no individuality

Fikrul is still hung up on Uldren and his mission to just keep raising scorn

there is no development happening

the scorn that have been with him the longest are capable of speech and naturally loyal, but that’s the extent of it

he is not leading them to a future filled with new developments

the scorn who joined the black fleet willingly, crafted their own special uniforms, and participate in ritual combat are developed

[wintry moth]

'"We serve only Scorn!" Fikrul raises his staff above his head. "We will bring them home. Open their minds, as I have for you. As I will for all Scorn!"'

[ember storm]

they have their own aspirations and motivations

[chrome fog]

Respectfully I disagree, especially with the emphasis on recognizing the history which came before them.

[wintry moth]

'"Dark rumors whisper from the Dreaming City. The Reef hunts us. The Darkness claims us. And our father is not returning. But even without Uldren Sov, new Scorn still rise. Old Scorn still live, unseen." Fikrul waits for silence before looking beyond the five armored Scorn knights to the greater horde that gathers.'

[chrome fog]

And adding to it by increasing their numbers

[wintry moth]

yeah it seems like fikrul is done waiting for uldren

[chrome fog]

The connotation of the entry is Fikrul emphasizing that they should have pride in themselves as Scorn

[ember storm]

that’s always been his motivation

he sees scorn as the natural evolution of Eliksni

[proper geyser]

So he’s not even a bad guy no more they are just chilling

[ember storm]

he is very much a bad guy

he wants to kill all Eliksni and resurrect them as scorn

[proper geyser]

Bruh

[ember storm]

and also kill all of humanity for killing his scorn and Uldren

probably just the traveler as well that’s the general trend

with how much he despises servitors I can’t imagine he’s a fan of what they’re all meant to represent

[proper geyser]

So he’s just the angry generic whipe out all humans villain now

[ember storm]

he’s different because he’s literally insane

judging by the fact one of the episodes is focusing on him he’s not big bad material of course

but there’s more than enough to make a worthwhile narrative out of it

[proper geyser]

I see

[ember storm]

just imagine how he’d react at all to crow’s very existence

[wintry moth]

prob just become more insane tbh

[proper geyser]

I was about to say that

That would be interesting

[wintry moth]

takes it as an insult to uldren

[proper geyser]

I‘m exited for the reset

This final year of destiny is going to be real nostalgic looking back

[ember storm]

not the final year

[analog torrent]

Was browsing through a sparrow to equip and I found this one: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/m3-d1-angelos

"I've spent years studying, just for a shot at saving someone—at keeping them alive. Then you watch a Guardian get blown up and put back together without missing a word in their sentence." —Unknown Last City medical responder

[chrome fog]

It can still be viewed as him making something for Uldren to be proud of but it’s much his own action

Sorrry late response

[proper geyser]

Wdym

[ember storm]

it’s not the final year of destiny

that’s fairly self explanatory

[wintry moth]

Destiny will continue, it's just the end of this part of Destiny

[proper geyser]

Yeah but destiny 2

[wintry moth]

maybe

who knows

[proper geyser]

Very likley

[wintry moth]

but destiny as a franchise will still go

[proper geyser]

Obv

[ember storm]

also no

[proper geyser]

You actually think they are going to just keep on doing destiny 2 once act 3 is over ?

[raw hazel]

They’ve stated so

At the very least they have plans for D2 for the next few years.

[proper geyser]

Could be just them making sure they are keeping d3 a secret

[wintry moth]

I doubt it that they're working on D3

Considering Marathon and the other game they're making

[proper geyser]

We’ll see in a year

I can see both happening

[wintry moth]

Uhhh go to #1247252842465460225

[formal lance]

Sorry

[wintry moth]

no sorry you're fine

they just dont want any TFS in other channels rn

[formal lance]

Ahhhh okay

[chrome fog]

I think it’s more likely they continue with the Episodes and any other additional Destiny titles will be side games, like Reach or Spartan Assault/Strike for the Halo franchise

[formal lance]

I would highly doubt they would make D3

[gritty sphinx]

my fav raid lore is vog

[formal lance]

I have yet to EVER do a raid

[chrome fog]

VoG is a pretty good one to start with

[shadow crypt]

If u can count to 7 u could do vog honestly

[eager trout]

What's the cryo capsule where you get the anomalous object (Forerunner)?

[empty fern]

A halo reference (anniversary be like that)

[eager trout]

Which Eliksni rank is directly above Vandal?

[analog torrent]

Is Shayura still running around after she escaped during Splicer?

[dim minnow]

probably Captain

[eager trout]

Ok, thanks

[chrome fog]

It’s a recreation of Master Chief’s cryopod

[eager trout]

Would an information subclass be Light or Dark?

[dim minnow]

define information

[eager trout]

The concept of information, what is theorized to be stored inside black holes

[dim minnow]

well, Void deals with gravity and such

and Void is classified as Light

so maybe a Light subclass

[eager trout]

And the Darkness equivalent of information is memory

[hollow crag]

do you think the player guardian could beat saint-14 in a fist fight?

[dim minnow]

Saint has had dreams where he fought us

similar to the DSC dreams

I think he said he doesn;t always win

[hollow crag]

that’s wild

[dim minnow]

hold on

[dim minnow]

For the first few weeks, instead of battle, he faced single opponents in duels: Osiris, Marin, Zavala, Ana—even the Guardian who rescued him from the Vex. No matter whom he fought, he would use all his energy and Light in the fight and lose every time. Flat on his back, he would look up at the tower and know that someone was watching from within.

keep in mind that these are merely dreams so they might not reflect reality

[eager trout]

Maybe, but not in a headbutt fight

[mental meadow]

Is your guardian a titan

If yes, then I think we win

Otherwise we lose

[slim kestrel]

is nez still alive?

[dim minnow]

not confirmed

however it is in the realm of possibility

[earnest needle]

does The Witness have a mouth?

[trim grotto]

We've never seen one. I imagine it could form one if it so desired.

[jagged badge]

How else would it eat cheese

[tacit island]

are “the architects” a thing in lore?

the symbol when you get the death message from them is very similar to the shapes on the face of the dread

i dont have a screenshot cause im pretty sure the symbol changed with the final shape update from what i can tell

[trim grotto]

No. It mostly represented physics deaths, at least it used to. In Halo, the same mechanic was death by The Guardians. Obviously that wouldn't work here.

[tacit island]

maybe im just stupid

[tacit island]

thatnmakes sense

than ku !!

[undone bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SriMVHvW1Ww
Anyone know where did this guy got his feats and scalings from?

and how crossing the infinite forest equals to having infinite speed?

[trim grotto]

Do I have to watch all 22 minutes of this to answer your questions

As for the Infinite Forest, that sounds like incredibly stretched logic, but at a glance I'd suggest it's because we experienced time differently within it. That is to say, we spent more time within it than what passed without it.

[undone bane]

I've skimmed through that dude video and saw that most of his feats are illogical non-sense from VSBattle

[south sluice]

Any good way to read the lore for destiny?

[trim grotto]

Well, you've got 95% of the written stuff here on the Ishtar Collective.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net

[south sluice]

I know what I will be reading for about 3 weeks

Thank you

[trim grotto]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/wiki/lorecompendium/
You may also find this useful if you want to go by topic

[south sluice]

[grand jungle]

Do characters class them as exotics or just armor to them

[trim grotto]

While Exotic Engrams do exist in lore, it's just armour.

[blazing stream]

Shiiiiit

Mb

[trim grotto]

The answer is yes, as it's still a notable target for others. Take the Red Legion. They had no connection to the Darkness, they still came for it and us.

[blazing stream]

#1247252842465460225 I forgot about the spoiler ban

[trim grotto]

Yes, which is why I was particular about my wording in response.

[blazing stream]

Red Legion are barely a blip on the map, they're either pirates/mercs, shadow legion clones, or caiatl's loyalists

Not even a blip tbh

Does Nessus even have Red Legion still?

[trim grotto]

Right, but they showed up in the first place and were the perfect example of what the Dead Orbit feared.

[trim grotto]

Lore wise, no. In game, yes.

[blazing stream]

Cause lightfall altered a lot of Red Legion to Shadow Legion so I was wondering cause I haven't gone to Nessus patrol zone since Witch Queen

[trim grotto]

Not for patrol zones

EDZ and Nessus still have Red Legion

[blazing stream]

Ah

[trim grotto]

But it would be a nice thing to change, yes

[blazing stream]

Those patrol zones suck, I miss Mars

[trim grotto]

what the heck is a mars

[blazing stream]

Hell I sorta miss Mercury purely for it's compact size

[blazing stream]

Bungie trying to remember they still have Red War, CoO, Warmind, Forsaken, Leviathan, Scourge and Menagerie in the vault

I'd sacrifice VoG, Prophecy, Crota, Dares and Battlegrounds for Leviathan, Menagerie, Mars strikes, Mercury strikes and Forsaken strikes

I miss dunking worms

Hell I wish we could just install a
and uninstall campaigns if Bungie is so pressed about space and loadtimes

[jagged badge]

It’s not that simple

[blazing stream]

I'd wish dragon for it to be.

[jagged badge]

[trim grotto]

'twas more about rewriting the code for the engine updates than space

[blazing stream]

Lalala can't hear your complex rational arguements, still want impossible to bring back dlc and maps

Jk

[loud badge]

The eliksni are cool :3

[trim grotto]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExODVpYTB3ZGJyOHc1djhsZmVlamJvcGJyd2I1ZHp1cmc2azA0dnk5OCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/SiZMS0sPc0pjhMbeXT/giphy.gif

[loud badge]

Real

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-lightfall-season-of-defiance-kell-misraaks-gif-6825504783439034465

[trim grotto]

#1247252842465460225

[heady gyro]

Oh shit

Didnt think that was a spoiler

[errant olive]

has anyone decoded the dread's language? I remembered that Bungie mentioned in the ViDoc that what they say is translatable

[trim grotto]

Nope! We're working on it.

[loud badge]

What a cooncedence, i was just looking at the eliksni language lmao

[pine hatch]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aA9oSO-HLQw&si=M8JSWKimV4lI-HIZ
I am telling you the earliest fanmade video for destiny (before it was ever revealed) is extremely creepy

[trim grotto]

dude, #1247252842465460225

[trim grotto]

i am glad you recognise it as fan made
we have had people in here obsessing over it before haha

[faint grotto]

Fan made but still unsettling as hell lol

[copper compass]

no one knows lol

i went there already

[pine hatch]

Gives me flashbacks to lore of the Bungie Halo games, especially the Halo 3 Terminals

[trim grotto]

I'm not surprised, the guys who made it were old school Bungie fans
Some even dating back to Marathon and PiD

[rapid mango]

are there any hints at a 3rd darkness subclass in the lore?

[trim grotto]

There wasn't for the last two.

[faint grotto]

I remember when everyone was putting those red subclass leaks out lmao

[rapid mango]

also another 9 question, are the 9 just like popcorn eating cosmic identities that watch the flow of things and give them lil nudges when it's not going in the direction they want?

[faint grotto]

I forgot the nine even existed

I'm not too deep into lore since the lore tabs confuse me lmao

Dunno where to start properly

[trim grotto]

Mostly they're selfishly seeking a way to define their existence and become physical and independant

[trim grotto]

i can help with that, in a very simple manner

[faint grotto]

Okayy

[trim grotto]

If you want to learn about the Nine, the lore book Dust is the way to go. I recommend the entire thing, but if you just want the specific description instead of the full context, then read this particular page from it.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-nine

[faint grotto]

I'm sure I can trust the lore gremlin

[rapid mango]

so is drifter bffs with the 9 or do they just like that he's different and gave him gambit?

[faint grotto]

I'll take a look, but I meant I want to learn the entire lore, but I'm not sure if there's a good point to start or if I should just randomly read through it lol

[faint grotto]

If only drifter could have made them kill the Witness lmao

The Final Shape just becomes a 2 minute cinematic

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-ecdysis
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-dust
Well here's this, then
Both of these are excellent reads - perhaps try Ecdysis first

[faint grotto]

Alrighty

Thank you

[trim grotto]

Believe it or not, but they're not paracausal beings
And given what the Witness did to the Noesis, they may well have been killed if they intervened directly

[rapid mango]

also is there a short thing on what the veil actually is

like I don't feel it was ever properly explained, is it a dark matter traveller or something?

[trim grotto]

I suppose a simple way to explain it is as a... Darkness counterpart of the Traveler. It may, perhaps, have even been the other half of a whole with it.
Whereas the Traveler is an independent being that manipulates the physical world, the Veil is a *probably not sentient being that is deeply connected to the realm of the mind.

[ember storm]

Osiris theorized it to be one half of a larger hole but nothing really supports it

[trim grotto]

Well there's the fact that they can be combined into one as per Ahsa

[chrome fog]

In full honesty, we mostly suggest that anyone getting into the lore just start with one thing that interests them and try to explore it within the lore. Trying to take on the task of understanding ALL the lore is daunting in of itself, but you’ll naturally get there if you just pick a topic and read through it and find other related topics through your reading

[faint grotto]

Alright that's some handy advise, thank you!

[fresh zephyr]

hiya folks. I'm a returning player, haven't really played since Witch Queen. I'm excited to delwe back into the lore but as expansive as it is, I really need some help here. Is there some sort of timeline I could follow ? Akin to the one on the official website, just with actual depth of detail ? Or is there like a YT series I could binge through ? I know Byf is creator in that regard but he hardly uploads in a chronological order. And chronological order is what Im looking for ATM. Much obliged beforehand.

[glad laurel]

I hope with the next season we actually get more info on the vex

I can't wait for more vex shit

[rapid mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBmOeYmN_M byf gotchu fam

It shortens a few bits here and there but it covers mostly everything

it has timestamps in as well so you can skip about to what you need

if there's something you want more detail on just ask here and someone will deffo answer

and if you ask something stupid like "What would vex milk taste like and what cookie paring would go well with it?" they'd probably still answer

[glad laurel]

I found vex milk at the store actually

tastes citrusy

sweet tho

[chrome fog]

Is this the newer one or the older one? He did release a vid the week leading to Final Shape release that’s 10 hours long

[glad laurel]

ez I'm an exo anyway B)

[chrome fog]

We also have a summary of the expansions and seasons up in the pins, done by our lovely Dovadah, as well as the Ishtar website’s timeline

[rapid mango]

it's the 10 hour one

[rapid mango]

you've not said the cookie paring

[glad laurel]

I haven't tried those

I drank all the vex milk first

maybe some kind of citrus cookie

[fresh zephyr]

that would have been my next question, thank you

[faint grotto]

The Vex just aren't interesting enough right now though. I hope they develop Vex to become more individualized and allow them to develop personalities somehow, I think that would be neat

[glad laurel]

I mean we really don't know much abt them

I want more stuff like the vex's past

still don't know where they came from

or what they really are

[chrome fog]

We do actually have a taste. Sea Salt/Salt water. Sooo do with that what you will for best cookie pairing

God I can’t wait for the 11th the fucking Journey Ahead video VIBDICATES ME

[ember storm]

I can, I’m going to a party today

[vestal summit]

who is Ceto? they are mentioned in the lore tab for Red Death Reformed.

[ember storm]

just in the tab of the gun

that’s their story

[vestal summit]

So no info? Ceto is the lover of the guy who reassembled red death and infused solar in it, Ceto is dead and the guy wants revenge.

[empty fern]

Yep that’s it

[severe meadow]

Bexus

Actually nvm, carry on

[gritty sphinx]

why are ppl saying maya sunderash is in echoes act 1

thought she died on neomuna in the ishtar days which was idk how long ago

[chrome fog]

Do you know of the 227?

Gonna have to wait for tomorrow to discuss

#📚lore-discussion message

[indigo ermine]

whoops my bad

[chrome fog]

To further explain, the 227 were 227 copies of Maya Sundaresh, Chioma Esi, and another guy who were being simulated in the Vex frame that the og three were researching. They were emancipated and went on excursions throughout the Vex Network to scout and report their discoveries back to the Ishtar Collective. You are correct in that the original Maya Sundaresh has long since passed, but those copies are still theorized to be around, in fact Vault of Glass lore suggests some of those copies were in there too

[chrome fog]

No pb, also can’t wait to discuss soon

[ember storm]

There’s also the random Ishtar monument found in starcrossed

[gritty sphinx]

i had no idea about any of that

do they have the same will/persknality

[ember storm]

that’s why they’re copies

if vex are good at one thing, it’s replication

all those gosh darn predatory ai generation practices

[gritty sphinx]

interesting

i wonder how many are out there and how they got caught up on nessus

[analog torrent]

They're extremely similar to each other but they started diverging the moment they were copied

227.59

You lose Maya.

You mourn. The thought of all the other Mayas out there doesn't help. They weren't the Maya you'd puzzled with over living basalt flowers, a world with seventeen moons, a continent that Shim had sworn up and down was sixteenth-century Australia and that Duane-McNiadh couldn't be dissuaded from calling Pangaea. You'd found a simulation with a city where you discovered a jewelry store, picked out a necklace, brought it home to her, and wished her a happy pseudo anniversary.

Maya didn't like bracelets, said they always fouled her work. Her hair had been getting shaggy again and was due for a trim. She could never decide whether or not to grow it out. She laughed at you lifting weights to maintain simulated muscle, but she spotted for you all the same.

There are other Mayas out there, layers of them, all the way up to the original, wherever she is. You hope they're doing well. But that doesn't stop you from missing this Maya, missing whatever arguments and discoveries you'd have shared in the rest of the lifetime you'd promised to one another.

Shim and Duane-McNiadh pull you up from beside Maya's marker. A basalt lily rests on top of it, petals thin enough to let light through.

You go on.

[dark trench]

how dangerous is Maya Sunderash? like is she a threat to us?

[ember storm]

Any amount of influence over the vex network is incredibly dangerous

The only reason vex aren’t constantly spilling out and invading is because they just view it as inordinate

The invasion of the last city during splicer was due to Quria’s lasting influence

anything forcing them into immediate action is very bad

[daring sonnet]

apart from scorn and vex are there any factions that we havent teamed up with?

[ember storm]

depends on what you’d consider a faction

Taken as a whole, because yknow

Red and shadow legion

Any of the fallen houses besides light/judgment

all hive

[daring sonnet]

actually probably races rather than factions

[ember storm]

Scorn as a whole still

And taken

Vex bc yeah

Uh, arcborn I guess

[daring sonnet]

i thought we did at some point?

[daring sonnet]

arcborn?

[ember storm]

enslaved race of sentient arc energy in Calus’ Levi

he had us use them as living batteries during his menagerie

they probably weren’t big fans

[daring sonnet]

oh

[devout vine]

Anyone seen the Episodes trailer?

Just asking first since I might spoil and I don't want to

[analog torrent]

Were Uldren and Jolyon a thing? They were, at the very least, close friends, but I was reading Gifts and Bargains and found this:

The prince and his partner (Second Gift, Gifts and Bargains)

A secret overheard in the palace between Uldren, Mara's brother, and Jolyon Till, his Rachis. It feels like raspberries and quartz. It smells like the Divalian Mists. A fine secret to share and never speak out loud. (Third Gift, Gifts and Bargains)

And frankly this is a weird ass feeling to have about your homie

This kindles a little bonfire of warmth in his gut. (Jolyon, The Forsaken Prince)

Unrelated: Gifts and Bargains is amazing holy hell. The language, the imagery, the insight it gives into Ahamkara life. The Starcrossed cutscene was great; this lorebook takes Taranis's and Riven's dynamic to a whole new level

[deep pagoda]

Hey I got some Dredgen questions about the timeline.

When did the whole Dredgen yor killing shins mentor happen

Was shin risen as a baby? And did his ghost die?

When did Dredgen Yor become Dredgen Yor, dark age to d1 wise.

Did dredgen yor know of the shadows, and did they follow him directly.

And when were the shadows formed?

[analog torrent]

Mael the Shin expert has arrived

[trim grotto]

Early City Age
Yes
Yes, months later
Also early City Age
No, they came after his death
They were formed relatively recently, ironically by Shin Malphur himself as part of a ploy

[eager trout]

Osiris without the hood and mask looks cursed

[eager trout]

That's even worse

I only saw the 2D

[eager trout]

Now I'm glad Saint-14 doesn't have a face

Oh wait

[west cloak]

i forget that osiris looks like a deranged uncle who’s served prison time

maybe he should keep his headgear on

[eager trout]

I mean, that's kinda accurate....

[shadow crypt]

Any guess to who that is on the trailer cover?

[eager trout]

Vex mommy
Maya

[west cloak]

aka the person who cayde named sundance after

[eager trout]

Huh

[west cloak]

Maya “Sundaresh”

[eager trout]

I see the resemblance but

[west cloak]

idk if we can post TFS lore here

[dim minnow]

Not until tomorrow I think

[west cloak]

i’ll post in #1247252842465460225

[shadow crypt]

Is she evil

I thought she was good

golden age researcher

something like that

[dim minnow]

Ironically, she actually turned into another Clovis after finding the Veil

[analog torrent]

Damnnn I never thought about that
That makes sense
Heard elsewhere it was a pop culture reference but this works

[chrome fog]

Not at all correct, Cayde wouldn’t have been that close to Maya

[west cloak]

#1247252842465460225

[analog torrent]

We've known Cayde had a crush on Maya for a while

not spoilers

[chrome fog]

(None of that info is spoiler territory) Still wouldn’t make sense because Cayde wouldn’t remember anything from his time as a regular Exo. Also Maya was part of the Ishtar Collective, at best she collaborated once with Clovis on developing Soteria, there would be little connection to her and a low level security guard

[west cloak]

it’s new lore from TFS, so it’s spoilery at the moment

[chrome fog]

Ace is also not Micah, Micah’s a kid to a different couple

Not Cayde’s kid

Again, why would there be a personal connection between him - a lowly security officer with a massive debt and shit aim - and the head researcher of the Ishtar Collective, who had married another lady?

[west cloak]

Micah isn’t his literal kid, her parents were insane, he is like a father figure to her

[chrome fog]

Yes, he who almost shot him as a kid, which was also years before the Exo process and again, just the kid of some researchers whom he had very little interaction with aside, again, shooting at her in the loading bay because he didn’t know she (at the time little boy) was just sneaking around as kids do

But also considering this is dependent on information from Final Shape it should have stayed there

Because the ban doesn’t lift until tomorrow

[eager trout]

Ehhh...

[analog torrent]

Meta question: I'm about to do a sidequest that has significant lore value. If I want to record and transcribe it for Ishtar Collective, how would I go about doing that?

[eager trout]

Who even is Micah?

[wicked fable]

do people who love the lore so much help make the game lore accurate?

aka, people of this chat

[ember storm]

nobody in this server has a direct connection to bungie in any capacity

[chrome fog]

Bungie has demonstrated they pay attention to the fans content as demonstrated with Eramis’ name being use as well as that fiasco where they used a fan’s work for the Witness backstory cutscene, but that’s not a guarantee

[eager trout]

Chemical energy/reaction as a Light subclass, can it?

[chrome fog]

Solar

[ember storm]

if anything I’d say those events have led bungie to make sure they’re extra careful about what’s fan-created and what’s in-house

[chrome fog]

Literally just Solar

[ember storm]

that’s what all the light subclasses are about

physical matter and forces interacting with material reality

[chrome fog]

The thermal energy released as a chemical reaction occurs, that is the same energy being utilized by Solar

[lunar jacinth]

how hard are strikes lore wise?

i remember them being like grandmaster nightfalls lorewise

[ember storm]

hard enough but it also depends

[ember storm]

I wouldn’t say so

[lunar jacinth]

o

[ember storm]

GMs are absurdly challenging because that’s the point

they’re not meant to be realistic

[lunar jacinth]

so more like Legend NFs?

[ember storm]

lore-wise standard enemies can be put down by a couple shots but that would also include guardians

there’s no direct gameplay comparison

[lunar jacinth]

ah

[ember storm]

if anything was remotely close, your ghost would just die to any enemy fire

[lunar jacinth]

thank you

[eager trout]

Isn't Solar nuclear fusion?

[trim grotto]

It's more of a category. That can be involved.

[eager trout]

Ok, but chemical reaction is still a different thing