📚lore-discussion

[ember storm]

proto worm

[mental meadow]

I'm so behind on this year's lore 💀

[ember storm]

accepting darkness corrupted and changed them, like what happened with the hive

they weren’t worms

and technically still aren’t

worms don’t have eyes or mouths

we just call them worms

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/b/bb/Wormgodocean.png/revision/latest?cb=20220309112140

cause like what else do you call this

[mental meadow]

Worm.

Wyrm?

Not exactly a snake

[ember storm]

funnily enough, Ahsa more closely resembles the worm parasites that the gods create

which is neat

https://external-preview.redd.it/behold-ahsa-the-last-of-the-uncorrupted-hive-worm-gods-v0-A2O6goqcbDke7vbbF7M0fUJ_UNR8i52oJvHq9Tq7TDc.jpg?auto=webp&s=9833849738e7aba6f4a5126f644dc3798cc89a53

[chrome fog]

Well the Worm Gods did that to themselves, and the Witness played on this fact to produce the Hive as we know them; the Darkness itself has no will, it is a paracausal force just like Light, any and all corruption through the Darkness is either through Hive Magic rituals or influence from the Witness. A key part of the Beyond Light and Lightfall expansion is learning how to control the Darkness without dependence on the Witness to regulate it for us. With Stasis, that came with exerting our own control over the power rather than delegating that control to the Witness through the Darkness Splinter; with Strand, it's realizing the true nature of Darkness and using it to manipulate one aspect of reality akin to what we do with Light subclasses - this time with the psychic fabric which connects and underlies all existence, the Weave

Ahsa acts like a Worm for Eris during Witch to empower Eris' Hive God form, and she notes how tempting and enticing it is to partake some of the tribute that we send to Eris. She also notes that indulging that desire is how the Worm Gods became the way they are and diverted from their original shared species.

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/an-invocation?highlight=ahsa

[mental meadow]

In my head I pictured her with legs

Like some sort of big watery dragon

[ember storm]

fishes that turn to worms

generally doesn’t scream “legs” to me

[mental meadow]

I didn't know she was a worm

Wait is ahsa the titan worm we saw in the savathun strike

And occasionally at the surface

Of titans sea

[chrome fog]

Proto-worm to be specific

And yes, she's the one you saw peaking out as well as through the windows underneath the surface on the Arcology, back when it was a destination

[mental meadow]

Goated destination

Goated strike

Rip taeko-3

[dusty jolt]

So if you lose your light do you still age?

[blazing wasp]

unknown

[dusty jolt]

Rip

[chrome fog]

Too few examples provided to really say, and all have exceptions

[analog torrent]

Using the Ishtar multitool, here are the international translations/pronunciations of Shin Malphur's name:

我叫骏·马尔福。Wǒ jiào jùn·mǎ'ěr fú.
俺はシン・マルファー。Ore wa Shin marufā.
내 이름은 신 말푸르다. nae ileum-eun sin malpuleuda.
Checked on multiple loretabs; these are definitely his translated names.

Someone on Reddit said that Shin is a Chinese name and that the band of survivors Shin was originally with called his original Ghost "Tiānshǐ" (Chinese for angel), but to my knowledge, there is no Mandarin word pronounced "shin." So Shin's name is either a Cantonese word or not Chinese at all. Probably the latter.

Googled "shin name" and Shin is a male name in Japanese and a female name in Korean. The katakana for Shin (the name) match Shin's name in the lore. It seems most likely that Shin Malphur is Japanese.

Conclusion: ???

[rapid mica]

Has anyone noticed how the trees of silver leaves look suspiciously like the “tail” of the veil

[empty fern]

No

[chrome fog]

Actually yes

The ways in which they’re not exact is used as contrast between Light and Darkness, but this has been dismissed because a Tree of Silver Wings can take on both Light and Darkness

[ember storm]

Well shit

I need $60

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-thumbs-up-gif-14088879

[raw hazel]

Also they should let Saint and Osiris retire, they've more than deserved and earned it

[dim minnow]

They probably will once the Witness is defeated

Seems like they will temporarily take the vanguard seats while Ikora and Zavala go into the Pale Heart

[iron mortar]

Is it safe to say that zavala is one of the awoken that left the distributury to the reef

What do you think killed him, and we see the cutscene he was in a ship with people

[jagged badge]

Pretty sure that’s confirmed

Some Awoken apparently talk about recognising Zavala

[iron mortar]

Sauce?

That sounds interesting

[jagged badge]

I don’t have it, this is just something I think I’ve heard somewhere

[hearty dagger]

So what is the deal with the Rift Generator in the Strand? Like why do the Taken Defend it if a Guardian isn't present?

[jagged badge]

I could look in Ishtar or comb through idle dialogue or something in the DLV channel but it’s late and I’m going beddy byes

[iron mortar]

Accept my friend request, before you sleep

@trim grotto I was always curious about this, if the witness and the darkness ships didn't arrive until the collapse, why was there a darkness ship in Europa for Clovis to find and the K1 Anomaly during the golden age way before the collapse

[dim minnow]

I know it was Petra mentioning that a techeun recognized him. Also, one of the D2 trailers shows Zavala being rezzed in a crashed ship in a desert which lines up with another Awoken guardian named Therin Vai

So it is most likely that he left the Reef and crashed on Earth. We also know that this was during the Dark Age

[iron mortar]

Why did some awoken leave the distributory to earth

[dim minnow]

Some wanted to reach out to their ancestors

[iron mortar]

And from what we know is it safe to say the closest thing to what the distributory looks like is the dreaming city

[dim minnow]

Maybe

[chrome fog]

Mara recognized that Earth was left on its own and needed to assistance with the unforeseen enemy

[dim minnow]

Mara herself wasn't keen on aiding humanity right away though

She would allow Awoken to leave for Earth, but they wouldn't be allowed back

[hearty dagger]

What led Mara to engage the House of Wolves during the Battle of Six Fronts?

[dim minnow]

Twilight Gap, not Six Fronts

[hearty dagger]

Were they not part of the same conflict?

[dim minnow]

Also, she did it to protect us

No, Six Fronts was long before Twilight Gap

[hearty dagger]

Ah

[dim minnow]

Like, probably the lat Dark Age

While the latter was in the City Age

I also think Shaxx requested that Mara help if the Last Wish mark lore tab is anything to go off of

[chrome fog]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSbFqf6fxnc

[hearty dagger]

What sparked a seemingly uncharacteristic act of altruism in Mara?

[dim minnow]

She's always wanted to help us really

[chrome fog]

Wasn’t Six Fronts to help establish/protect an early Last City?

[dim minnow]

The Iron Lord's were still around though

[chrome fog]

Yeah that still would allow time to coincide with the early establishment of the City, the SIVA incident was to help with constructing the Last City wasn’t it?

[hearty dagger]

Weren't the Iron Lords around even after the City was Established?

[dim minnow]

Yeah, but not for veryblong

[iron mortar]

Well all of them died to SIVA except saladin

[hearty dagger]

Oh did the SIVA incident happen much earlier than Rise of Iron?

[iron mortar]

And we are technically iron lords too

[iron mortar]

Yeah

[dim minnow]

Like, a really long time prior

[iron mortar]

Siva that killed the iron lords was a different incident

[obsidian kernel]

so according to the new ship, Crow unintentionally wished for Cayde's return

[hearty dagger]

Never played RoI, so I don't know much of the lore from that time in destiny.

[obsidian kernel]

[iron mortar]

It is a really good story, since it is a nice side narrative away from The light and dark stuff

[hearty dagger]

I would love to play the old D1 story, but I don't have the means to. I still want like a Destiny Legacy game that's just like a Master Chief Collection for Destiny Campaigns.

[iron mortar]

Also does anyone know the answer to this, as I really wanna know this

[iron mortar]

You still can

It is only like 20 bucks

D1 servers are still up

[hearty dagger]

I don't have any Systems on which to play it.

[iron mortar]

Ahh, PC player?

[hearty dagger]

Yea.

[iron mortar]

Unfortunate, I hear they are trying to make it possible to emulate D1

[hearty dagger]

A Destiny Legacy that features Simplified Loot a la D2 Y1 and remastered Destiny 1 Campaigns and Vaulted D2 Campaigns would be fun.

[iron mortar]

That would be great, maybe something after the final shape drops

[hearty dagger]

Yeye.

[iron mortar]

But like a long time after

[trim grotto]

There wasn't a ship. The statue was there, Clarity Control. It had arrived twenty years prior, somehow.

[iron mortar]

It is never explained how the statue got there, or how the K1 anomaly got there

[trim grotto]

That's correct, but given how this all ties to Clovis Bray, there are theories that the Witness was attempting to poison humanity from the inside and/or create a new (failed) Disciple before actively invading after the end of the Vex-Exo War.

The statue was clearly sent by the Witness, for example.

[hearty dagger]

Where there is Light there is Shadow, perhaps the presence of the statue is a direct result of the Light being used within the system.

[trim grotto]

Clarity Control. The mystery I was promised.

Analysis of the surrounding ice suggest it arrived on Europa no more than 20 years ago...still, well before I encountered the K1 artifact. How long have they planned my invitation?```
For a bit more context

Clovis was sent to Europa by the Witness speaking to him through the K1 Anomaly

The way is clear. The first step is yours to take.


Or you can beat your head against a wall until nothing remains but a bloody stump.

At least then you’d leave a stain behind.```

Apart from being brutal, it's why the theories suggest he was... to be... Disciple'd.

[empty fern]

Shhh

[ember storm]

objective morality be damned this entity can write bars

[foggy nacelle]

I heard dark age armor looked a bit militaristic, is this true?

And did the great ahamkara hunt take place during the dark ages?

[plain vessel]

I really need to know something about the lore

I need help figuring out a proper explanation for each season since every video of the are like 50 minutes each, I need to find a short and basic explanation of all the juicy details before final shape

I might just watch a 10 hour lore video

I missed way too much since beyond light

Lord this lore is confusing

[gaunt carbon]

why do characters like ikora and zavala never wear helmets in combat but saint and osiris (kind of) do

like is there a real lore reason or just "the characters were modeled that way"

[dim minnow]

you're in luck, several days ago I made a quick summary of each expansion and season before TFS

[plain vessel]

Thank you

Where is it

Do inform

[dim minnow]

@plain vessel start from here

[raw hazel]

Simply scroll up

(Or that too)

[plain vessel]

Thanks

Thank you so much

[analog torrent]

I swear there was an image of Micah surrounded by Ghosts in one of the grimoires (not the Cyrell one)
Does anyone have it or am I going crazy?

[dim minnow]

if you got any specific questions about stuff not covered, I can answer them for you

[dim minnow]

maybe in the most recent Grimoire anthology

[ember storm]

city age

[ember storm]

not particularly

it was just whatever people could get their hands on

[empty fern]

Drifter level

[ember storm]

drifter was actually fairly formally dressed I think

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/heaven-or-hell

[gentle geyser]

Characters were modeled that way

[kindred fractal]

Why couldn't the Guardian enter the traveler?

The Titan in the cutscene

[dim minnow]

RIP Joxer

a real one

as for why that happened, the Witness made it that way

[kindred fractal]

damm

[broken zephyr]

So what exactly happened on the Glykon, Crown of Sorrow shenanigans where everyone simply went insane and mutated into scorn or something?

[blazing wasp]

No the scorn there were scorn taken from the tangled shore

They didn't stay dead is the issue

[broken zephyr]

Ohh

I see

And what, they overran the ship?

[empty fern]

They didn’t get their horns clipped duh

[broken zephyr]

real and true

[empty fern]

(But actuality they had a turmoil at the ship and that released them)

[broken zephyr]

gotcha

[empty fern]

Something something
Person says how when you kill the 2 orange bar abominations

[grizzled zinc]

So is it possible ryan gosling got rezed as a guardian

If so would he be a warlock or a hunter?

[empty fern]

Looking at all the YouTube footage and thumbnails, a titan (and maybe warlock)

[grizzled zinc]

I think ryan would be a warlock

This is because i main warlock and he’s literally me.

[empty fern]

(Bruh)

[grizzled zinc]

🗿

Ryan would probably be a titan tho yeah

[little gorge]

do you guys think the speaker's mask will have a nezarec type deal where we can hear the traveller when wearing it

[grizzled zinc]

That was my first thought but i doubt it

Speaker’s power was something intrinsic to him so i don’t think his mask would confer that power to us

It’ll probably be a prismatic-focused exotic

Perhaps buffing transcendance

[raw hazel]

Hmmmmmmm

That's a good point honestly

I could see it haven't some functionality with Prismatic

[jagged badge]

Calus wanted to speak to the Darkness. He modified the Crown of Sorrow and experimented on Scorn, attempting to merge their minds into a gestalt being that he could speak to the Entity (now known as the Witness) through

The Glykon flew into the gravitational anomaly of (I believe) Mars, which of course was still missing at the time. This caused shit to go wrong, and the Scorn overran the ship, led by the gestalt being Calus had created - the Locus of Communion

Calus disappeared during all this

[final geyser]

Imma be honest, literally my only complaint abt the epilogue cutscene is that cayde didn't just dome crow when he saw the ghost

[raw hazel]

Why would he though?

Seeing Glint is the whole reason he didn’t.

[jagged badge]

[sharp osprey]

I think you're missing the point then tbh

[final geyser]

no no i completely get why they did it the way they did

i'll just be forever sad that cayde never got his revenge shot

[jagged badge]

He doesn’t need revenge

Crow isn’t guilty

[sharp osprey]

Its not real revenge tho, Crow is not Uldren

[jagged badge]

Uldren already paid the price

[sharp osprey]

Plus, we've avenged Cayde already by killing Uldren

[jagged badge]

Wanting Cayde to shoot Crow is just needlessly petty and edgy

[raw hazel]

Again, the whole reason why he didn’t shoot Crow to begin with.

[sharp osprey]

I think the cutscene is perfect for what it is

[raw hazel]

It was a big “oh fuck” moment of realization.

[sharp osprey]

A great full circle moment and teaser for TFS

I also love how small of a scale it is. Its the leadup into the grand finale but its about our characters rather than the fate of the universe. Great writing.

Destiny storytelling is at its best when its character driven imo

[raw hazel]

;-; the traveler screaming for help in the background

That made me so UPSET

[sharp osprey]

Yeah, what was up with the light pulses?

Probably ol trav reacting to whatever the witness is doing

[raw hazel]

They're visually identical to the types of Light pulses the Traveler's done before

[sharp osprey]

Right

[raw hazel]

Most notably, during the end of the Red War....

lemme find

https://youtu.be/3lAul2KRsfA?si=aAvnNIN0SfuYE7aw&t=72

[sharp osprey]

Yeah that cutscene

[final geyser]

Fair enough

Something I did notice- I don't think cayde missed a single shot

everything landed exactly where wanted

he wasn't trying to kill crow, at least not until close range

[sharp osprey]

Interesting perspective

[raw hazel]

and thennnn

awawa...

https://youtu.be/8v-8sBOR6Xg?si=6cU83Gx0LFBv8PbK&t=663

Those same pulses from where (presumably) the Witness is, and both times you can heart this, at least to me, distressed sound from it

[sharp osprey]

Aww poor space orb

[raw hazel]

AND THEN BACK IN SEASON OF THE WITCH

[final geyser]

first shot hits the rock to get crow's attention
next couple put pressure on him
crow ducks behind the rock, then tries to take some shots.
Cayde shoots his feet to get him to turn tf around and give cayde time to close the gap

Then the tripmine to flush crow out so he has a clean shot for the knife throw

[raw hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqiVx-13h0M&t=11s

[sharp osprey]

Riiight, that quote

[raw hazel]

;~;

She is in PAIN

[sharp osprey]

Horrifying stuff

[raw hazel]

AAAAAAAAA

[sharp osprey]

Like could you imagine hearing the voice of an allpowerful unknowable being, yet its begging YOU for help?

[raw hazel]

real talk i would not be able to handle that

[final geyser]

I'm really hoping that the voice we're hearing in the trailers isn't the traveler

i really would like if the traveler stayed unknowable

[sharp osprey]

I think its the gardener

[raw hazel]

I mean

It's the end of the Light and Dark saga

If we don't actually see the Traveler/Gardener I will be honestly disappointed

Like

I've waited

A decade

OVER A DECADE

For this

[final geyser]

i personally would love it if the traveler itself stayed silent- unable to communicate other than to impart its will onto the ghosts, and to cry for help

tho my case is a bit different

ive only been here about 3 years

[sharp osprey]

The traveler has talked in destiny before with the new super mission in Forsaken, right?

[final geyser]

also was riven supposed to sound so much like savathun

[raw hazel]

y'know tomorrow i'll tell you about all the times the big ball's spoken to us

The Traveler has been my favorite subject for the entire franchise

[sharp osprey]

Theres the dream in red war

[raw hazel]

At one point I knew damn well most all the lore related to it

[sharp osprey]

I have a question then: how many civilizations has it blessed?

Thousands?

[jagged badge]

[sharp osprey]

[raw hazel]

who knows honestly

It's been

Literal billions of years

[sharp osprey]

I lean towards thousands

[raw hazel]

And that's just since the Hive

[sharp osprey]

Also, among the hierarchy of the disciples of the witness, did Rhulk or Nezarec "rank" higher?

[jagged badge]

Rhulk was the first Disciple

Other than that, I don’t think it’s suggested that there’s a rank system

[sharp osprey]

Fair

Was Savathun ever definitively a disciple?

[raw hazel]

She was to be one

But she went

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[sharp osprey]

She got the funny light instead

Excited for the (probably slim) possibility that we ally with Sav and her brood for TFS

The enemy of my enemy type thing

[low gyro]

how would she get past the veil tho

[trim grotto]

ask the trailer team

[raw hazel]

mael

[trim grotto]

hallo bo

[raw hazel]

did u play mishun?

[trim grotto]

i just got home

[raw hazel]

play mishun

[foggy nacelle]

I heard dark age gear was kinda militaristic, is this true?

[empty fern]

I swear I’ve heard this before

[foggy nacelle]

Also did the great ahamkara hunt take place during the dark age?

[empty fern]

Something something scavenged
Something something rat man

[empty fern]

City age

[trim grotto]

That rather depends on the context, people, and what you determine to be militaristic.

[foggy nacelle]

Gotcha

[empty fern]

Is this Groundhog Day?

[trim grotto]

Early City Age.

[empty fern]

Yea this is the EXACT SAME thing as earlier

[trim grotto]

The Iron Lords forged their own relic iron armour, which was often quite knight-esque
But a lot of Dark Ages equipment was whatever could be scavenged or stolen, rags and woven cloth

[foggy nacelle]

Gotcha

Damn i was trying to see if my hunter fashion was capable of matching up with a certain point of Destiny’s history xd

Militaristic but then theres just the ahamkaras spine

[jagged badge]

Guardians wear incredibly varied armour so

[foggy nacelle]

True lol

[trim grotto]

When you say militaristic, do you mean in a modern military sense? Practical?

[final geyser]

i mean, once the portal's open it should stay open from what i understand

[remote sky]

I've been wanting to ask, are there any Lightbearers that are children, teenage, anything out of the norm? Just wanna confirm

And I mean ANYTHING out of the norm

I wish to be omnipresent

[trim grotto]

Shiiiiin Maaaaalphur

He was resurrected as a literal baby. Unfortunately, the Ghost died some few months later.

[trim grotto]

do you have any other queries

[remote sky]

WOMP

[remote sky]

uh
Has anyone fucked up a bit

[trim grotto]

i do not know what you mean by this

[remote sky]

Screw it tell me of warlock isle

[trim grotto]

...the EAZ?

[remote sky]

The fuckin pacifist guys

[trim grotto]

The pacifist colony in the outer system that Lady Efrideet joined?

[remote sky]

Yea

[trim grotto]

That's about all we know about it.

I don't know where you got Warlocks from though

[remote sky]

Idk I heard about one

What's this EAZ

[trim grotto]

Wait for Solstice and find out

European Aerial Zone

[remote sky]

..wha

Woah

Sounds like a sparrow thing uh

I've got the Cowthing™, the embyro
What else

[trim grotto]

Ikora and her Warlocks took a huge ol' chunk of the EDZ

And levitated it for about three weeks straight
They've done this like four times now

[remote sky]

WAT DA FAAQ

Whyyy????

Why would you do such buffoonery

To praise the sun dark souls style or something (that has to be an emote)

[remote sky]

it is

[analog torrent]

Hey lore nerds
Who’s your favorite character and why

[trim grotto]

Lucky Lavinia... Micah-10... That One Guy In The Original Tower Who Talks Nonsense™️.

Because "Hey, Cryptarch like me!"
Because it's Micah-10, need I say more
Because he is hilarious

[exotic cloak]

I'm checking WQ campaign again and

When Ikora and Zavala have that discussion, there have been instances like this before? Both of them keeping secrets or not counting on the other one

[trim grotto]

Ah, you'd have to remind me of the exact dialogue... but it may be referencing Ikora bringing in the House of Light to deal with the Endless Night without consultation of Commander Zavala or the Consensus.

[exotic cloak]

https://youtu.be/zVuC5l-HtcY?si=2X2nth2JBx38Lmfv This one

[exotic cloak]

And, thanks

[trim grotto]

It's also worth noting that at this time, Savathûn had only recently been revealed to have been masquerading as Osiris for the past year, stealing our secrets, and manipulating us from within - and leaving Osiris comatose for about a year.

[ember storm]

not even 24 hours and you’re discussing the finale?

shame

you’re all fired

[modern lodge]

Mael if you are on what do warlocks do to their robes again

They weave light into it or something along the lines of that right?

[ember storm]

that’s all guardians

[modern lodge]

Yeah but warlocks do something special to their robes

[ember storm]

inherently your light imbues all your armor and weapons to give them extra utility

[modern lodge]

Weaving stuff into ut

[ember storm]

every single guardian does this

you weave your light into your bullets, yes

that’s the quote

and it’s all guardians

[modern lodge]

No I mean literally I think

[exotic cloak]

I ended closer to the heart and damn

That cinematic was really cool, and with an actual good joke

Any idea of what happened at the end with that explosions?

[trim grotto]

Hadronic essence, used as an infusion in Warlock fieldweave. If you're thinking of a specific example though... The Protocol is contained in the patterns on the robe that, if scanned at the molecular level, describe a Turing-compatible virtual computer and program that, when executed on said computer, calculates the entire Protocol, exactly as it was determined in the Precipice of Flame.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/starfire-protocol

[ember storm]

Traveler light emissions

like the one at the end of the red war declaring its will, except this time

more like a cry for help

[exotic cloak]

Damn

[trim grotto]

time to log in before i get spoiled

[arctic iron]

@trim grotto as a lore resident

do u actually think we defeat witness

[ember storm]

I mean

yes

that’s literally the point of the dlc

it’s going to end

[arctic iron]

there never has to be a death tho

is wot i mean

[ember storm]

Witness isn’t going to be around anymore, episodes will be about cleaning up the pieces

[arctic iron]

realistically

[ember storm]

Yes

[arctic iron]

how do we kill it

[ember storm]

That’s what defeat means

but also the witness will probably be Ina volatile state now

[trim grotto]

Anything could happen. It's undoubtedly the strongest enemy we've ever faced, but we're within the Traveler itself, so we've got... backup.

[ember storm]

there’s those trailer shots of a bunch of conjoined people reaching out

probably going to separate it or something

[arctic iron]

u can be defeated by surrender

so not always

[ember storm]

do you think the witness is going to go “oh we’re sorry we’ll go into time out now”

it’s going bye bye

[arctic iron]

not wot i mean

[trim grotto]

waltz, like

chill out a bit

[ember storm]

sorry

[arctic iron]

im assuming we wont kill him in the raid at least

since theres a mission after it

they probs want the non raiders to experience it

[trim grotto]

It could be like Oryx. Campaign and Raid.

[exotic cloak]

I mean I can live with that

We make them weak in the camping, then more weak in the raid and then a final but that would be strange

[arctic iron]

ah yes

the make the enemy weak route

always works

but yea ig we wont know wot we find durin the campaign until its out

[chrome fog]

I go to sleep at a reasonable time and miss so much discussion

Anyways that was a cool mission

[fresh zephyr]

If Nezarec and Rhulk are scared of the Witness, then it must be bad

[ripe warren]

This raid gonna be last wish part 2

[fresh zephyr]

I wonder if the Witness is hiding a Disciple in the Pale Heart

A lot of Pyramids followed in

[ripe warren]

Might be fighting a lot of disciples

[fresh zephyr]

There are definitely things we still don't know about

I also don't think this was the last time we'll see Nezarec.

[trim grotto]

To be clear, it isn't 1 Disciple per Pyramid.

[fresh zephyr]

He's cheated death before I think

[ripe warren]

Didn’t mean it that way. They might just put a few disciples for us to fight in the campaign.

[trim grotto]

It's possible, but they'd be completely unknown.

[fresh zephyr]

This weeks finale mission made me wonder.

||Was that a total Vex simulation, or was it a taster of what the Witness can do in the Pale Heart?||

[trim grotto]

It's essentially the same situation as D1.

||The Witness gave the Vex of the Sol Divisive the tools they needed to once more recreate the Heart||, just like it did back then.

[fresh zephyr]

Ohhh!

||That was such an amazing callback||

I loved it

||I saw the giant door, and was like "no fucking way bro"||

Actual tears

😭

[trim grotto]

You can head back there in Garden of Salvation too so that's neat

[fresh zephyr]

OH MY GOD YEAH!

||I just wish the had the Union OST playing in the fight||

[ripe warren]

It was an awesome call back. Pretty dope

[fresh zephyr]

They*

The Union would've made me cry

I'm ngl

[tiny edge]

Why can gaurdians destroy the hive ghosts with their bare hands. I thought ghosts were immortal except to a specific thing that I can’t remember

Whatever the bullet was that destroyed caydes ghost

Was it light? I can’t remember would make sense if it was

[trim grotto]

That is a common, yet inaccurate, misconception.

Ghost shells are made of metal and glass. They're destroyed fairly easily if caught unawares or put into particularly dangerous situations. Fallen Arc Spears, high explosive bombing runs, high caliber sniper shots, and more.

[chrome fog]

It was fairly common to see Ghosts get killed by Fallen in the Dark Ages, and Ada-1 has attested to using Izanagi’s Burden to break the Ghosts of impeding Warlords

[trim grotto]

Ghost innate paracausality can help keep them safe from this sort of threat, but as we ourselves are paracausal, we cut through this paracausal "barrier" by nature.

As for the bullet you recall, that was a Devourer round - designed after the original, Light-eating Thorn. It would have consumed the Light of Cayde-6 and killed him outright, if it functioned identically, even if Sundance survived. Instead, the Rifleman killed Sundance first.

alright
lore dispensed
sleep time

[tiny edge]

Dam 😭

Feel like gaurdians aren’t as immortal anymore

[chrome fog]

I mean if you wanna be technical, they’re more immortal than ever

Aside from Darkness, just more training and learning how not to get themselves a Final Death

[trim grotto]

It's long been established that Ghosts are our weakness as well as our strength. The Dark Ages saw thousands of Lightbearers die. Hundreds died all at once in the Great Disaster.

[weak prawn]

Turns out male cabal have kangaroo pouches

[ember storm]

yes

that’s been known since before LF

it’s a very fun icebreaker

bring it up to your next lfg team

[weak prawn]

Any outher fun facts I should know?

[chrome fog]

Wonder if Trost Would share

[ember storm]

doghives

the rabbit embryo being responsible for the awoken

Cayde shot a kid once

[weak prawn]

He shot a kid!?

[ember storm]

*at

like I said, good icebreaker

[analog torrent]

Does moving from a human to exo body (Exo-0 -> Exo-1) involve a reset?

[ember storm]

the transfer from human to exo is considered a reset

there is a mind wipe involved

human is technically your 0

[mighty ridge]

||who exactly is speaking right here? is it the ghost or 1 of the 2 guardians?||

[analog torrent]

One time before the Collapse he was on Europa with another Exo and a kid Micah Abrams (who later became Micah-10, Ghost mother and member of the Six Coyotes) was in an area they were guarding

Cayde-1’s POV: Legacy’s Oath Helm (Titan)
Micah’s POV: Your Friend, Micah Abram: LETTER 5

[ember storm]

A ghost

why did you spoiler tag

[mighty ridge]

just being kind to others

[chrome fog]

It’s fine to post unspoilered, it’s been a decade

[mighty ridge]

not everyone has played d1

[ember storm]

it’s also a ghost fragment grimoire

none of those are plot related

that’s just supplemental lore

[chrome fog]

Weekly resets and the month after Expansion releases are when spoilers are necessary

[mighty ridge]

i couldnt care

[ember storm]

even then people completely ignored it for this week’s update

[mighty ridge]

its staying spoilered

[chrome fog]

That’s fine

I mean I haven’t really played D1 but I’m fine with them

[marsh spire]

in tfs rai people say we're gonna kill the witness, but are we gonna accually kill him or disband him to its precursors? the latter makes more sense but idk

[ember storm]

I dunno

[chrome fog]

Kill him in the story mission that unlocks after the Raid

[ember storm]

that’s what the dlc is for

[chrome fog]

Probably

As much as we’re in the business of looking for the best in others the Witness is fairly unredeemable

Besides it’s less physical creature more weird mind gestalt that is more than the collective consciousnesses of the Precusors

[analog torrent]

Osiris and Saint are married; Saint feeds him candy corn and they write poetry to each other

There are Zavala action vitamin gummies and you need 2/3 Vanguard permission to view any information related to them

The first hunter vanguard, Tallulah Fairwind, died when she lost a game of cards to an Ahamkara, to the horror of the second hunter vanguard who was at her side, Caliban-8

Cayde reads Guardian-themed romance novels and Eva Levante the holiday grandma thinks his taste is shit

Immaru is a big fan of the crucible

Shaxx punched Iron Lord Felwinter’s head clean off his shoulders

Guardians are canonically loot goblins and dance a lot

Before she was an Iron Lord, Efrideet threw Lord Saladin to create the first thundercrash

Amanda teaching an Eliksni to swear led to a lynch mob and Guardian intervention

The dude who invented stompees and frostees is also a sparrow racing league champion

Cayde and Shaxx played dodgeball with some City kids

The existence of “Oryx the Nightmare Daddy”

[marsh spire]

I feel like shaxx would be gentle but cayde would go all out

[marsh spire]

real

[chrome fog]

One thing that carried over from his past life

[exotic cloak]

I guess Immaru is a fan of guardians killing eachother

Where that one comes from? From the campaign or he talks about that on a book?

[ember storm]

he talks about crucible a couple places

[analog torrent]

This instance specifically? Season of the Witch lorebook, Rites of Passage: A Big Fan https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/a-big-fan

[outer dragon]

Glint, Crow's ghost, has another name
Pulled Pork

[eager trout]

Who is Wilhelm-7 AND WHY DID HE BUILD A PLACE WITH MORE TRAPS THAN APERTURE SCIENCE?

[chrome fog]

Kek wait until Warlord's Ruin

[outer dragon]

You talking about Grasp? Yeah, just a random dude overtaken by greed

[exotic cloak]

Bro is the ultimate loot goblin

[ember storm]

dungeon is called grasp of avarice, main mechanic is burdened by riches, final room is a classic “pirate buried with his treasure” trope

basically, goonies

like unabashedly

it’s directly referencing the goonies

[smoky rose]

Legit just watch the Goonies and the dungeon makes sense

There's voice collectibles you can get throughout the dungeon that make everything make a lot of sense as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xsRXz3zFiY this vid has all of the collectible locations and the entirety of the dialogue

@eager trout

(note that they pick up 11 and 10 out of order)

[safe galleon]

so do we know exactly why cayde is back yet? has that particular bit been explained?

[smoky rose]

Read the lore of the ship

[safe galleon]

right, what's the name of the ship?

[smoky rose]

The one you got from the mission lemme go look

[safe galleon]

so i can go look it on ishtar

[smoky rose]

If that's not sufficient explanation then here's an alternative: the Pale Heart is forged on memories and, well, I don't think I need to explain why Crow would conjure Cayde.

[smoky rose]

Unforeseen Consequences

Here's the important bit

Basically Crow wished to Riven (who was pretending to be Mara) to be able to apologize to Cayde

[shadow warren]

That’s the wish that opened the portal?

[gentle geyser]

No

The wish we used was savs, the one she made when riven was alive

[tawdry wigeon]

Who is lakshmi-2?

[dim minnow]

she was the main representative for the Future War Cult

they were a faction dedicated to looking into the future and preparing for future conflicts while also being very sketchy and secretive

as for her backstory, she was an exo who arrived on Neptune via the Exodus Indigo

she was then killed by the radiation emitted from the Veil and her body would later be used to house a copy of Maya Sundaresh's mind

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhhh i see very interesting

Doesnt fwc have a small area in the tower?

Wheres that exactly?

[dim minnow]

then, after Maya died, Chioma Esi had the Cloud Strider Stargazer take Lakshmi with them to Earth where she was left

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh wait maya from the ishtar logs right in neptune?

[dim minnow]

eventually, after witnessing several brutal battles like the fall of the knights of the Mumbai Push and the burning of London, she would be taken in by FWC

[dim minnow]

Tower Hangar

it is worth noting that the three factions, FWC, DO, and NM, are all gone

[tawdry wigeon]

Got it nice okay new knowledge aqcuired

[dim minnow]

they left the Last City following Lakshmi's failed coup attempt that caused a Vex attack

[tawdry wigeon]

Did the remaining followers split up after that?

[dim minnow]

either the faction itself fizzled out, or the remnants are with DO and NM

[tawdry wigeon]

I see alright

Very interesting

[dim minnow]

oh, and Lakshmi herself was killed in this Vex attack she inadverdantly caused

her plan was to kick the House of Light out of the city (they were just invited in at this time out of neccessity)

and I unironically think she was a pretty layered character

there was a lot that went into why she didn't want the House of Light in the Last City

1. She had a bloody philosophy on war thinking that it was inevitable
2. She witnessed the Burning of London, the first attack the Fallen launched against humanity after the Collapse
3. She had a savior complex when she foresaw the Red War but no one listened to her
4. She saw a potential future where the Fallen were at the center of an upcoming attack (she didn't realize that this attack was the very one she caused)
5. Savathun was manipulating her into doing it

[outer dragon]

To note, it wasn't Lakshmi. It was Maya

Calling herself Lakshmi

[empty fern]

Huh

[chrome fog]

Well

Kinda yes not really but also yes

It’s dominantly Maya’s personality traits but Lakshmi-2 as we knew her was technically the result of a simular ritual that the Precusors performed to create the Witness

[dim minnow]

well, Maya/Lakshmi was stated to have started as basically a child

so over time it would be reasonable to assume that Lakshmi grew to be a different version of Maya through her own experiences

like her background as a soldier

[weak prawn]

It always Leeds back to savathun

Also why did she have crota bring in the vex?

[dim minnow]

as in the Books of Sorrow?

I'd wager it was because the incident convinced Oryx to put his Throne WOrld inside of the Dreadnaught

while it made it mobile and harder to invade, it did make him vulnerable when it did get invaded by us

[eager trout]

You could have just put reason 5 alone and it would be perfectly understandable

Is Final Warning a weapon we made or did we just find it?

[white girder]

pls bring some bray characters back (the ones only mentioned in lore?)~

[trim grotto]

Well, there aren't a ton of relevant Brays. There's Alton, often forgotten about, and Willa, the only truly relevant option.

[white girder]

yea those ones

[ember storm]

Alton exists to showcase that Clovis is a massive misogynist

he himself doesn’t really do anything

would be funny if he was risen too though

neither he nor Ana have any idea

Elsie just wouldn’t care either way

[dim minnow]

It was an old spectrometer that we fashioned into one

and if it is a quest exotic, then it is either something we made, or found through very specific means

examples of the former being Lumina, Malfeasance, Touch of Malice (D1)

examples of the latter being Dead Man's Tale, Vexcaliber, The Last Word

then there are some cases where we repair something we found like with Thorn and Ace of Spades

[analog torrent]

Rasputin and Felwinter might as well be Brays
Except they're both dead too lol

[chrome fog]

The other four were important to showing us how exactly Savathun was able to influence her towards those conclusions and convicted her beliefs, as they provide reasons for her biases

Lakshmi-2 was not wholly absolved of her involvement with the Vex being let in, she acted in her worse impulses to stir conflict against House Light

Savathun only preyed on what was already there, the distrust and paranoia that Lakshmi-2 allowed to fester within herself

[maiden matrix]

how is it during this quest crow is helping us if during a previous quest we saw him get yeeted into the traveler?

[trim grotto]

Because the Seasonal quest ends with him entering the portal.

You're behind.

[maiden matrix]

yea i figured im behind idk why the cutscene triggered so early for me than lol

[trim grotto]

It happened for everyone because the Season is about to end

And Final Shape is nearly here

[fresh zephyr]

So with Riven granting Crow his unexpected Wish, does that mean Cayde is a constant now? Because there's always some sort of downside to these wishes

Maybe Cayde can't leave the Pale Heart

[trim grotto]

It's possible, yes. That's the leading guess.

[fresh zephyr]

I am slightly scared for what's going to happen inside the Pale Heart, lol.

As long as the Witness doesn't drag out a memory of Oryx in Regicide or something on Legendary, I won't be fearing for my life lmao

It seems the Pale Heart reacts to the person? Like the Ascendant Plane?

So I wonder if aswell as the Tower being created, it'll manifest some really crazy stuff from the past😭

[eager trout]

Wdym a constant?

[eager trout]

Bungie about to make us fight the 15th ogre boss with 100 ads and an incredibly annoying mechanic to get its shield down.

[eager trout]

Ok, next we need to make a refrigerator into a Stasis rocket launcher

[fresh zephyr]

A constant being.

So like Crow is a constant, whereas a Shade of Oryx isn't, because it's a manifestation I guess

[eager trout]

What....does that mean?

[empty fern]

(We are infact getting a new ogre variant)

[fresh zephyr]

Like science lol

When something is a manifestation (nightmares, shades etc) it is not a constant being in the Universe, as it does not exist as we do.

Whereas a constant being or thing, is a permanent fixture in the Universe and abides by the laws of the Universe too.

So for example you're a constant being in the Universe, whereas a ghost isn't.

Why I asked if Cayde was, is because that means he's permanently back.

But he could also be unable to leave/or a temporary part of the Pale Heart due to Riven's wish

Science keeps sciencing

[unreal bison]

Question, has the Calus storyline finished. I have not played the latest expantion but very curious?

[ember storm]

well he’s dead

so

yes

[unreal bison]

oooooh

[marsh spire]

at our own hands

[unreal bison]

was he another raid boss?

[marsh spire]

a campaign boss

[calm granite]

end of lightfall campaign boss

[unreal bison]

was he powerful?, i loved him during the early days of destiny haha

i guess, i need to read more wiki haha

[versed orbit]

not really

[ember storm]

calus was only notable because of the psion powers he got from his special wine

he didn’t drink any during Lightfall so he just relied on brute strength mixed with darkness power

it didn’t amount to much

[merry olive]

so what's the prevailing theory on that voice we heard in the tfs trailer anyways

[jagged badge]

Probably that it’s the Traveler

[merry olive]

Figured as much
Was curious to see if any other theories had come up abt it

[chrome fog]

If cayde’s gonna be a permenant being or if this is just a temporary copy of him, which it isn’t. It’s not that hard to grasp

[ember storm]

don’t think it’s going to be fake in any capacity but he’s definitely going to be limited

doesn’t look like something he can just walk off

[chrome fog]

No I’m aware, just spelling it out further for Eevee

[fresh zephyr]

I think had we not destroyed Calus, he would've been abandoned anyways

The Witness had no more use for him

[ember storm]

Witness just needed a temporary foothold on neomuna and an army to get to the veil

[fresh zephyr]

Calus unfortunately, was only there to lure us in really. A shame

Nezarec on the other hand, sorta just vibed in the chaos that came with the invasion of Neomuna

[ember storm]

basically just used as a distraction yeah

Witness didn’t really need him for anything specific

maybe if things went perfectly Calus would be capturing the veil while nezarec reigned terror on them so they couldn’t fight back?

not like it worked in the end

[fresh zephyr]

Calus regardless, would've been abandoned I think. Once the Veil had been captured, Calus outlives his usefulness to the Witness.

It also explains why the Witness doesn't even bother to interfere during the fight with Calus, as it's all going according to plan.

Calus was always going to die, so that the Veil could be activated. The Witness used our (emotional connection/actual connection with the Light) with our Ghost to achieve what it desired.

Nezarec just loves causing pain and suffering, even if it has no purpose lol. Some of his lore is actually so fucked😭

I don't think Nezarec is gone though. He always comes back

[ember storm]

he ourple guy

[raw hazel]

urple..

[gaunt carbon]

what would be left of the cabal if the shadow legion is defeated

[raw hazel]

Caiatl’s forces, and whatever Red Legion holdouts there might be.

[gaunt carbon]

oh interesting

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah besides that, there's not many other choices left lol

[eager trout]

OH COME ON

[chrome fog]

You have all the other ogre bosses, you have practice

Anyways

https://youtu.be/-nvU01d_gh0?si=x2XPvrBznJRN5zHd

GRAAAAAAH YES, GUARDIANS MAKE THEIR OWN FATE

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-space-magic-gif-14255718

[ember storm]

I’ve always hated that helmet

[gaunt carbon]

ok so what actually is the veil

like in laymen's terms

[trim grotto]

Darkness's counterpart to the Traveler. Strong ties to the realm of the mind.

[gaunt carbon]

so like is it a perfect counterpart or does it just have similar powers?

idk if that makes sense

[trim grotto]

I'm not sure what you quantify as a "perfect" counterpart, but it's a... being... that is as closely tied to Darkness as the Traveler is to the Light. There are theories that they may become or may have once been whole, too.

[gaunt carbon]

oh ok gotcha

and by perfect i mean like

wario to mario

as the veil is to the traveler

[trim grotto]

Well. I suppose that's... not completely inaccurate, albeit an oversimplification. Neither is true or original however, they are... equals, in a way.

[gaunt carbon]

interesting

[ember storm]

Wario is not perfect in any capacity

[blazing wasp]

Wario is literally canonically invincible and indestructible

[ember storm]

in one game

he dies very easily in every other

[maiden matrix]

can anyone remind me, why are we collecting riven eggs? what is she going to do for us?

[ember storm]

we needed her to give us safe passage through the portal to follow the witness

she agreed to make the wish without any twists, but wanted her eggs safe first

[indigo ermine]

what exactly is the black heart? what is its purpose and what’s the significance of it?

[jagged badge]

Originally, all we knew is that it was something of Darkness, the Sol Divisive Vex worshipped it and that it drained the Traveler

In Lightfall we found out the Black Heart was an attempted recreation of the Veil

[indigo ermine]

oh right i forgot about that part

and thanks ^^

[worldly river]

Okay lowkey, I love the little lore tidbit from the TWID where it draws a connection between Nezarec being entombed on the moon and increases in night terrors when the Moon is closest to Earth

[raw hazel]

He’s just a silly guy

[little gorge]

nezarec is basically "what if the term terrorist was literal"

[chrome fog]

Terrorist with a little heart at the end

His resume just says “Terrorist~🤍” and the rest is warping ink that spells and shapes out horrible things

[devout parrot]

Wrong channel

Teehee

[analog torrent]

From the vidoc trailer: What is this place? didn't play d1 but it looks like the ib thing

[raw hazel]

That looks like Saladbin’s big wheel thing

As that is also the big axe from RoI

And the wolves

[ember storm]

guessing it’s part of the pale heart location

we already know there’s the weird tower

the wolf statues are definitely black fleet

[empty fern]

Mmmm, statue axe

[raw hazel]

Memory of the Iron Temple is my best bet

[tacit spindle]

Help me solve an argument guys. If any of the Destiny enemy races could procreate with humans. Which one is the most likely?

My money is on fallen

[empty fern]

Due to a single scene of the apple being calcified, I think you are wrong

[ember storm]

note: I have not watched a second of the vidoc

[empty fern]

Fuck

[raw hazel]

UGGGH

Final Shape can't come soon enough

I want new LORE

I need new LORE

[empty fern]

I want stuff

[analog torrent]

Cabal

Eliksni lay eggs

Maybe Vex, I'm unfamiliar with the Vex lore but maybe they scan your dna and incorporate some of that into a new Vex

[gentle geyser]

Why do you want to know this

[empty fern]

Destiny player

[jagged badge]

Let’s not entertain that question

[tacit spindle]

I'm in the middle of am argument

[jagged badge]

You may want to familiarise yourself with #✅welcome-and-rules

[tacit spindle]

It's hardly nsfw

[jagged badge]

It borders on it, so it’s better not to talk about it

[gentle geyser]

There are most certainly children in this server and its an inappropriate topic to bring up

[tacit spindle]

In my defense, people have literally talked about if guardians can get pregnant in this channel.

[tacit spindle]

Thanks for the answer

[analog torrent]

on the topic of Cabal did you know they have kangaroo pouches

[keen obsidian]

Do cabal consume their own version of ethers to grow large???

[empty fern]

it’s some pride thing that releases a hormone for growth (my source? Some YouTube short from byf)

[dim minnow]

hmmm, I'm thinking of changing my nickname once more

[empty fern]

Who do you not like?

Or will it be (don’t ask how factions reproduce) or something like that

[exotic cloak]

So you are stopping being not a fan of Petra or

Oh wait in game nickname

[empty fern]

Dova forgives Petra now?

[dim minnow]

no, that bitch had the audacity to say she had better things to do than help me find Archie this week

[empty fern]

Lmfaoooo

[exotic cloak]

We not forgiving Petra

[hearty dagger]

Is there a lore reason as to why it seems like every time we go into the Ascendant Plane we find the Taken?

[dim minnow]

Ascendant Plane is the world of Darkness

and Taken are created from a very Dark-aligned ability

[hearty dagger]

Is there an inverse World of Light? Or is that just the Material Plane?

[chrome fog]

Darkness is of the Mental like Light is to the Physical, I need to pull up the quote from Osiris but that’s how our understanding of the two forces has been broken down

[dim minnow]

think of our world as the world of Light

[chrome fog]

And the Ascendent Plane, with its Throneworlds molded by the mind of their owners, is apparent in its nature as a plane influenced by the minds of those in regular reality

As for why the Taken are so prevalent in the Ascendent Plane, eeeeehhh I would guess it has to do with them being manifestations of what their most optimal version of themself would be in accordance to the will that has Taken them

[hearty dagger]

What is the deal with those Hive Knights that you tend to encounter within the Ascendant plane? The ones with the Axes.

[chrome fog]

This information comes from the grimoire cards in D1 for each Taken enemy type, seemingly in the perspective of Oryx/the Voice in the Deep taking note of what the individual is most useful at doing and thus reshaping them to better suit that purpose

[chrome fog]

Hmm, @jagged badge would you know?

[tacit spindle]

I'm currently on my way to Caitil

[dim minnow]

it's just a special variant of an Ultra Knight

[hearty dagger]

What's Yall's favorite Lore Tab? Mine's Chroma Rush.

[dim minnow]

Vex Mythoclast

[dim minnow]

and by Ultra Knight, I am referring to boss enemies that are large

[chrome fog]

That’s only the males

[chrome fog]

Mechabre

[tacit spindle]

I'm so mad rn

[dim minnow]

quick guide as a reminder:
Elite - Orange bar
Major - Yellow bar, but regular size
Ultra - Yellow Bar, but large

[dim minnow]

though this variant did start with a strike boss from D1 named Alak-Hul, the Darkblade (yes, same guy we fight as the Ligthblade in WQ)

[chrome fog]

Fun Fact: Calus got so diva mad about Caital’s mom not paying attention to him and instead focusing on their eldest child that he forcefully ripped the pouch housing all her siblings/sibling in protest, because he’s just that vain

[tacit spindle]

The hell

[dim minnow]

male Cabal are the ones who nurse the young too

[tacit spindle]

Were the siblings ok

[dim minnow]

probably not

[hearty dagger]

Calus didn't become a Disciple for no reason. Dude was just striaght up an asshole.

The only reason we even liked him by any metric is because he gave us guns like dog treats.

[chrome fog]

Overly hedonistic and vain was his dealio yes

[tacit spindle]

Any more interesting biological facts about the other races

Hive eat each other in the womb or some shit

[hearty dagger]

The Eliksni can regrow limbs like Geckos can their tails.

[chrome fog]

The Hive have symbiotic/parasitic relationship with a Worm that is ingested and introduced to their body when they are thrall

[hearty dagger]

Is there a Limit to it though? Why hasn't Variks' arm started to regrow?

[tacit spindle]

He just doesn't feel like it I guess

[hearty dagger]

Oh yea, also, in theory the Eliksni are kinda similar to Lobsters in regard to the fact that if they have enough Ether they can live forever and continue to grow.

[chrome fog]

These worms feed on the ontological concept of Death - literal or figurative, doesn’t matter - and process it as Ascendent Power, though the Hive individual can take some of this power for themselves to become more powerful; another neat trick is that the Hive have also learned that you can tithe your accrued power to another Hive and it’s common to have broods and broods of underlings to create a stead system of tithe

[chrome fog]

Either the wounds were seared closed or something along those lines

[dim minnow]

normally when an Eliksni is docked, they are left with docking caps that prevent regrowth

as for Variks, he doesn't feel like he deserves to regrow them

[tacit spindle]

No wonder they love the stuff

[hearty dagger]

Yea, it's only just their main source of food.

[jagged badge]

Ether isn’t food

[dim minnow]

it's an additional physical need alongside food and water

[hearty dagger]

I was actually about to ask about that, I know that the Fallen want/need ether to survive, but I don't actually know what purpose it serves.

[dim minnow]

neccessary in their growth

[dim minnow]

think of it like this, any Eliksni smaller than a Captain is considered "malnourished" in Ether

[hearty dagger]

I thought that Vandals were eating enough, and Captains were well fed.

[dim minnow]

no, Eido herself says that Captain size is supposed to be normal

[hearty dagger]

Ah.

[tacit spindle]

Can we just reroute like half of our ether supplies to the house of light to get them giant

[dim minnow]

of course, getting more Ether even as a captain can make you even bigger

like Ultra-sized

[hearty dagger]

Our Ether Supplies are the House of Light's Ether.

[tacit spindle]

Oh ik

Ok*

[dim minnow]

without Riis, Eliksni rely on Servitors to transmute matter/energy into Ether

Riis being their homeworld

[hearty dagger]

I dunno how big the Eliksni can get, but we know that Elykris used to be one of the biggest we knew of.

[dim minnow]

she is Scorn though, then again, that might not make a huge difference

[chrome fog]

And to clarify for this point, they don’t become fat like Spider when they overconsume Ether, they moreso become like Archons, just literally grow bigger

[dim minnow]

hence why I say "ultra-sized"

[chrome fog]

Spider is… we dunno why Spider like that

[hearty dagger]

Not a lot of exercise.

[chrome fog]

Either it’s consumption of non-Ether foods or he’s just, built like that

[tacit spindle]

He just ate too much I guess

[chrome fog]

Again, not much information on how they process non-ether

[dim minnow]

judging by his appearance in flashbacks, he wasn't always that way

[hearty dagger]

The Scorn Should remain the same size though, unless the Scorn can continue to grow after being resurrected, Elykris should have been that big before her Resurrection as a Scorn.

[chrome fog]

I mean

The Abominations and screebs are proof that they can experience “growth” in a way not conventional to the regular Eliksni

[hearty dagger]

I kinda miss having actual Scorn characters like the Barons.

[dim minnow]

Scorn probably operate on the same rules anyways, just that they require Dark Ether

the Knights of Fikrul were kind of similar

[chrome fog]

Quite literally you can staple a bunch more meaty bits onto a Scorn and just make em bigger that way

[dim minnow]

at least the first Knight had some character

[hearty dagger]

I feel like Abominations and Skreebs imply that they have to be that big before their resurrection or Dark Ether will deform them.

[dim minnow]

raid boss that is this but Scorn

[ember storm]

to be clear this was a Calus quote

to which the common conclusion is “fake as fuck”

[gentle geyser]

Unironically what the witness final boss might be

[ember storm]

you know centaurs in fallout

[dim minnow]

Cabal are the only ones we don't have a clear explanation for in terms of how they have Ultras

[ember storm]

I want wrathborn looking like those

[ember storm]

I just accept the genetic engineering as an option

[hearty dagger]

Oh yea, @tacit spindle by the list of things that Servitors can transmute into Ether includes people. :) This was a common practice for the House of Devils.

[dim minnow]

lore-wise, wrathborn are supposed to be mutated

[ember storm]

yes

[dim minnow]

piles of skulls outside of their lair...

[ember storm]

that’s why I said that and compared them to the worst mutants in the fallout franchise, centaurs

[chrome fog]

You can see the stitching holding the Abominations together and I’m sure there’s some loretabs demonstrating that with subsequent revivals, a Scorn slowly becomes a Screeb

[ember storm]

I wish we had those

[tacit spindle]

Normal people and paracausal people?

[dim minnow]

both probably

[ember storm]

the closest we have is the confirmation that the captain wrathborn wasn’t actually a captain but a dreg who grew an additional set of limbs and just gained height

but that’s not enough

[dim minnow]

we know they tore people out of cryo pods from the colony ship

[ember storm]

I want a cabal walking on all fours with a mouth in its stomach

I want a vex growing a bunch of organic tentacles

[hearty dagger]

Theoretically, both they just can't beat down a Lightbearer hard enough for a Servitor to be able to transmute them.

[ember storm]

I want a hive to have two heads

[tacit spindle]

Could a guardian be an infinite food source for the Eliksni

[ember storm]

eating guardians doesn’t really work

[dim minnow]

then there's the gladiator wrathborn with tendrils coming from its sides

[ember storm]

drifter tried

[tacit spindle]

How

[chrome fog]

Couldn’t hold onto enough toes for a soup

I hate autocorrect

[ember storm]

it would have to just be very small bits of flesh on top of killing them another way

[dim minnow]

the only species wrathborn are currently are Fallen, Hive, and Cabal

[ember storm]

at that point just get actual food

[hearty dagger]

Oh right, Drifter. There probably isn't a thing in the Sol system that drifter HASN'T eaten.

[ember storm]

nothing actually nutritious at that point

[dim minnow]

but I'm pretty sure we haven't even seen Wrathborn Cabal ingame yet

[ember storm]

he hasn’t eaten precursors

yet

[ember storm]

yeah nah

just hive and fallen

[hearty dagger]

Drifter wants the witness to lose, not because he cares about the Sol System, but because he wants to eat a part of the Witness.

[dim minnow]

and we know there are Wrathborn Cabal out there too

[ember storm]

Vex wrathborn would probably be a big issue

[dim minnow]

pretty interesting that Bungie went the route where Drifter just abandoned his plans for Gambit

[hearty dagger]

I wouldn't put it past Drifter to have eaten a small part of the Traveler.

[ember storm]

if it can actually override their intrinsic multiplying patterns

[ember storm]

dusklight shards are all over

could probably refine one to a powder and mix it into something

~~rule 3 ~~

[empty fern]

Just eat it

[tacit spindle]

Probably a metallic taste, with a little bit of hope sprinkled in

[empty fern]

Dawning moment

[ember storm]

before anyone brings it up, no, I do not and will never believe Fenchurch

it was 100% just a joking “oh yeah I’ve totally gone inside the traveler, smells like vanilla bro”

[chrome fog]

What about Mara destroying a Pyramid? Even he doubted himself and it was proven true

[ember storm]

that was a dream

a vision he was sent

not a literal joke in passing conversation

[dim minnow]

please let the Pale Heart smell like vanilla it would be so funny if it did

[chrome fog]

It would

[raw hazel]

It'd give me a giggle

[ember storm]

I hope it smells like overbearing black licorice because of the witness interfering

just to spite you

[dim minnow]

Sjur Eido is supposed to be close to coming back

[chrome fog]

I want to see her break lore and come back

[ember storm]

she’s been close for years now

I’m more interested in Micah making an appearance

[hearty dagger]

I feel like the air in the Traveler would be full of so many scents that you'd get a headache.

[ember storm]

please it would be so awesome

[chrome fog]

Muscles so statuesque it destroys the boundaries of rhyme and reason

[ember storm]

I need trans rep that isn’t the god king of the hive or nimbus

[hearty dagger]

Who is Micah?

[ember storm]

like we’re literally going inside the traveler why would the ghost mom not show up

[chrome fog]

Would they be trans rep?

[ember storm]

as a mortal, the kid on eventide who wrote those letters to the traveler you get from collecting penguins

[ember storm]

Who? Nimbus?

[chrome fog]

Yeah

[ember storm]

Nonbinary is under transgender

it’s not your assigned gender

at birth

you transition

[tacit spindle]

I want a bipolar guardian in Destiny. It be interesting

[hearty dagger]

There have been THOUSANDS.

[ember storm]

there was a completely delusional one who saw everything as a fantasy land

[chrome fog]

Y’know I’m not gonna lie, never considered that

[quiet turret]

guardian who collects lost ghosts and takes them around her patrols looking for their guardians
also part of the 6 coyotes iirc

[empty fern]

The titan that killed crow at some point

[ember storm]

that wasn’t really bipolar that was just redditor

[empty fern]

Damn

[hearty dagger]

I'm pretty sure that like 60% of all Guardians at minimum are mentally unwell at all times.

[ember storm]

unironically the tower seriously needs full time therapists

[raw hazel]

We do canonically break out into random dance

[ember storm]

like at least a hundred

[empty fern]

Do we include the refugee level new lights or like, these guys

[ember storm]

the closest we have is confirmation that there’s a widespread anti depressant made specifically to target existential immortal dread

that’s really not painting a good picture

[chrome fog]

Stories of our colleagues dying is commonplace, both just revivable and Final deaths

[ember storm]

who are those randoms fucks standing in front of the vanguard

did they really ever go “yeah I’d rather be blocking the view of Zavala”

[empty fern]

The worlds first members

[ember storm]

Imagine being the worlds first to complete vanilla D1 campaign

[empty fern]

Yuh

[ember storm]

play for four hours and then have severe remorse

[empty fern]

Phenomenal achievement

[ember storm]

my hope would be shattered

[hearty dagger]

I like how there are 2 ways to kill a ghost, The nearly divine power of an Paracausal being used to crush the shell made from pure light, and BIG GUN.

[ember storm]

do you know how long it was between release and VoG

[ember storm]

doesn’t have to be big gun

just has to be enough fun (or any basic force)

it basically just means the glass and metal of a ghost will never be dented by random rocks or something

but like, a couple of dregs and their pistols made of literal garbage

[ember storm]

that ghost is toast

[chrome fog]

A hydraulic press however, that’s another story

[ember storm]

putting a ghost in a hydraulic press is legit cruel and unusual punishment

[hearty dagger]

I thought that you needed to either hit a Ghost really hard or have Paracausality to destroy a ghost, Mundane Fire Arms can't do it.

[ember storm]

they can

[empty fern]

(Wonder if gms have the more enemies to make lore sense,)

[ember storm]

not really

it’s mostly just legend is the agreed lens

[empty fern]

I see

[ember storm]

not too difficult but enough to completely overrun slackers

because yknow tagline of vanilla was “become legend”

and Ghaul directly said “I have become legend”

[hearty dagger]

Is there example of this? AFAIK the only example was the Marksman, but that was Retconned to him having a Darkness Infused bullet.

[ember storm]

it wasn’t retconned

[empty fern]

Wonder just how many guardians were sacrificed during the 3 psiops battlegrounds

[chrome fog]

Fun fact Ada-1 picked off some lightbearers’ ghosts in the Dark Age with Izanagi’s

[ember storm]

we just didn’t have enough information

Normal guns and enemies have been killing ghosts for years

[chrome fog]

And Fallen blades are a common Ghost killer

[ember storm]

do you know how many D1 missions revolved around picking up dead ghosts from fallen or hive

enough to have like 5 nickels

[chrome fog]

They were the collectibles for Grimoire cards

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-destiny2the-witch-queen-hive-ghost-crush-gif-23101368

Crunchy

[gentle geyser]

Wait till bro hears about the tangled shore currency

[raw hazel]

What do you think a Ghost tastes like?

[chrome fog]

Vanilla coomkie

[gentle geyser]

Carmel

[chrome fog]

Chocalate

[hearty dagger]

Probably what their shell is made of.

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/drool-anime-wow-gif-14210716

[chrome fog]

No

Turon

[empty fern]

Tf is Turon

[chrome fog]

Mmmmm plantain and brown sugar egg roll

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/turron-ena-joel-g-joel-g-ena-temptation-stairway-ena-temptation-stairway-gif-20387831

[ember storm]

it’s not cannibalism if it’s robots

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/panlasang-pinoy-easy-recipe-filipino-food-foodiegram-gif-24046146

Put jackfruit or some ube and it’s amazing

I’d eat ghosts if they tasted like turon

God I’d be very disappointed if jackfruit is extinct in Destiny’s future

[gentle geyser]

Ghosts are caramel filled chocolates
Eat your ghost

(Witness propaganda)

[empty fern]

“Jackfruit? Did they splice a guy named Jack into a plant?”

[chrome fog]

Those poor people don’t know what delight they’d be missing out on

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-lightfall-titan-ghost-light-gif-27606637

Nuh uh

Still mad they didn’t give us that armor, like cmon

We HAD the helmet

[gentle geyser]

This games fashion economy would be 10x better if they just took a bunch of the starter loot from d1 and made it world drop armor

[empty fern]

Pls

Bungie refugee isn’t enough

[outer dragon]

So how long till we get a working translator and people fluent in the new Dread language

[outer dragon]

I want Pilgrim Guard Armor

I don't care if the shoulders are asymmetrical. They are the best Titan Order

[empty fern]

Depends, how long did warframes orokin take?

[analog torrent]

Given that Rasputin speaks in reversed Russian or something, are there any dialogue changes if you have Destiny set to Russian?

[frozen pawn]

did they just changed the lore O_O?
Nezzy:
Created from Rhulk’s blueprint, Nezarec was the first Tormentor from which all others owe their lineage. Nezarec relishes in sowing fear and pain, feeding off the terror of sentient beings. He can induce nightmares across entire worlds.

[chrome fog]

Not at all? Where is this from?

Because Nezarec is his own distinct person, not at all related to Rhulk aside from both being Disciples of the Witness and somewhat sharing a coincidental likeness but not really

[frozen pawn]

the new TWID

https://www.bungie.net/7/en/News/article/twid-05-23-24

[frozen pawn]

I though the same too

but new new info mean the lore just changed or we know nothing about Nezzy from the start

xD

[dim minnow]

I mean, him being explicitly a Tormentor was not confirmed

[chrome fog]

Hmmmmmmmm

[frozen pawn]

I though Tormentor came from him

[dim minnow]

we just figured that Tormentors came form him

[frozen pawn]

ya

we never knew him come from Rhulk

3<

[dim minnow]

it didn't mena that Nezarec himself was exactly a Tormentor though

[chrome fog]

Y'know

[dim minnow]

we knew Rhulk was the one who annointed him into a Disciple

[frozen pawn]

hmmm

[chrome fog]

This might not be a bad revelation

[frozen pawn]

yeah it's not bad

[chrome fog]

And somewhat makes sense

[dim minnow]

but that part with him being made from Rhulk like that was new

[frozen pawn]

just suprised

[dim minnow]

and Bungie just confirms here that Mithrax is fucking dying

like, no reveal at the start of a season/intro or whatever

just drops that info in a twab

[frozen pawn]

so as far as we know, the whole Dread things could come from Rhulk O_O

[chrome fog]

Nezarec is clearly off his rockers and is along with the Witness' plans just for the fact that it allows him to cause the most misery. Perhaps the fact it was the Witness' copy of Rhulk explains this behavior, and why it only made the Tormentors once Calus - with an abundance of cloning technology and engineers - joined up with it.

[dim minnow]

maybe Nezarec originated from Uun

[chrome fog]

Nezarec was an effective but fucked up clone of Rhulk, not as physically capable but much more potent in his manipulation of paracausality

If we believe this TWID

To which we haven't had much reason not to