📚lore-discussion

[eager trout]

The Vex time travel with the power of imagination

[jagged badge]

An Eliksni who became obsessed with the Hive after being trapped in the Hellmouth for a time

[remote sky]

Womp

[jagged badge]

He joined the Scorned Barons and created his Throne World from the death of Cayde-6

[remote sky]

Gah

[jagged badge]

It’s a very modest Throne World and collapses almost instantaneously after his death within it

[eager trout]

What's the golden Vex on Nessus?

[remote sky]

Not sol divisive

[eager trout]

I mean the gold Vex behind Xur

[remote sky]

Oh that uh

Yeah no clue

[blazing wasp]

We dont know, just that it's gold played, ghost comments on it being gold

And to keep it from cayde

[remote sky]

Task completed 😔

[blazing wasp]

Thanks uldren

[ember storm]

hello

it is me Uldren sov

[ember storm]

it’s one of the older collectives

Mercury I think

only relevant because it was in vanilla D2 where the only vex we were facing were the basic overall solar system units

[honest snow]

is there any lore entries that are about gaurdians going to therapy or something?

[ember storm]

you got new light dialogue

[honest snow]

i feel a good amount of em need therapy

[ember storm]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-watchers-grave-nessus

[ember storm]

Shayura is the main example

[honest snow]

is there any gaurdians who are pacifists?

[ember storm]

yes

there’s a whole colony settled off somewhere

Efrideet is one of them

there’s also a lore tab from the pov of a retired guardian

although that’s not really pacifist

[dusty jolt]

So nezzy right, he's the final God of pain. Why is it pain and not fear

[honest snow]

i mean pain isnt allways something scary

[little ivy]

is riven the strongest ahamkara of them all or is she one of the strongest ahamkaras? before she was taken atleast

[dusty jolt]

Ik but he talks about fear the entire time in RoN

[remote sky]

Pain can just be aching or longing

[dusty jolt]

He ain't very painful in the raid lol

[remote sky]

Pain could technically be fear as fear is the avoidance of pain

[remote sky]

Fucking 1 phase

[dusty jolt]

Lol

[chrome fog]

Should read what he does to one unfortunate Titan

[honest snow]

is there any reason why the landing zone for savathunes throne world is called quagmire, does quagmire mean something?

[chrome fog]

Which the armor loretabs Exomind upon

[chrome fog]

Swamp

[dusty jolt]

Where???

[little ivy]

giggity

[ember storm]

it’s a quagmire

[chrome fog]

Armor pieces for the raid

[ember storm]

soggy swamp

[chrome fog]

I’m lazy so imma find a Byf video on it cause I know he’d get on that

[dusty jolt]

Thx
And to everyone else (kinda)

[chrome fog]

https://youtu.be/UNTHZJos41k?si=kcsRPGu0g5UNO_LV

[remote sky]

Nezarec got some crazy eyeballs

[ember storm]

@empty fern https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/searching

[empty fern]

Huh

Oh the pacific thing

[ember storm]

you pepe reacted me and I take that very personally

before you ask yes she did come back to kill red legion but that was only temporary and technically not with her light

[chrome fog]

Going back to elaborate on this because I now have a charger spot, Toland was part of Eris and Eriana-3’s fireteam of 6 who entered the Hellmouth to get back at Crota for slaughtering so many Guardians in the Great Disaster; Toland got all of his squad killed because he really wanted to hear the Deathsong like the Sword Logic simp he is, Eris was the only one who survived, you probably know the rest if you’ve asked about Eris’ past

[chrome fog]

Fun Fact: Efrideet features a little bit in Drifter’s backstory, she enters his bar at the foot of Felwinter’s mountain keep when some warlords came in to make a ruckus, he tells her about the incident where one Iron Lord sacrificed the innocent village he was living in to ambush some Warlords, which reached Felwinter who then summarily went to kill said Iron Lord

[empty fern]

Oh yea I remember that part

[chrome fog]

Swermp

[worldly river]

I can't believe we're gonna turn Cayde 6 into a gun

[honest snow]

mf gonna be the king of hearts

[worldly river]

Actually though, that Golden Gun sniper has a bunch of design similarities with Hawkmoon, including the exact same barrel shape (which is also the barrel shape of the Sharpshooter Golden Gun, which uses the Hawkmoon/Eyasluna model)
So I wonder if this sniper isn't something Crow made or if Hawkmoon somehow got warped into it via the energies of the Pale Heart

Though it getting imprints of a Stag is a bit weird

[tawdry wigeon]

What????

[worldly river]

It's a joke cuz we're getting a Sniper Rifle that can self-Golden Gun

[tawdry wigeon]

It can do what????????

That sounds sick

[stiff hull]

Does the final god of pain have lore

[stiff hull]

Check bungie twt

[chrome fog]

Nezarec has very vague and limited lore

[chrome fog]

||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AhNlP9rIOoQ||

[tawdry wigeon]

I saw it and omg im hyped

[iron mortar]

bro I am going through the riven and taranis story, and bungie really cooked here

I kinda cried a bit

it is really beautiful and I hope final shape has the same stuff

It encases every thing I love about destiny lore and shows the beauty and deepness of characters that we usually just see in passing or as vessals for quest giving

[tawdry wigeon]

Fr, it was really good

[ripe warren]

Any story theories for the final shape?

[jagged badge]

We’re gonna beat the Witness

[chrome fog]

We will fight some Dread and win

[raw hazel]

We might even get some neat loot

[gentle geyser]

Nessus blows up

(Real)

[empty fern]

Aw man

[exotic cloak]

Something will die in a very violent way

[gentle geyser]

The witness pulls out the third darkness subclass and wins, and uninstalls destiny immediately

[eager trout]

Cayde-6 does something cool

[ripe warren]

Interesting theories lol

[gusty chasm]

Is there a difference between hive gods and worm gods? They look the same under my shoes when i slay them!

[gentle geyser]

One is a hive

[gusty chasm]

That was fast

[gentle geyser]

The other is a giant worm the size of a skyscraper

Yeah thats called typing

[gusty chasm]

Very wowza how do you do that? @gentle geyser

[chrome fog]

The Hive Gods are Hive Gods and the Worm Gods are Worm Gods, they’re pretty distinct

[gusty chasm]

Interesting

[outer dragon]

It's a triangle

[chrome fog]

If you’d like a genuine answer, read from here: #📚lore-discussion message
To here: #📚lore-discussion message

[outer dragon]

Failure

[chrome fog]

Shush

[gusty chasm]

Thank you!

[chrome fog]

No prob, bob

[outer dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-sloth-no-how-about-gif-7251428

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/splatoon-pearl-marina-cry-tears-gif-15952879

[tawdry wigeon]

What was the name of the hive dude from the mars vanguard mission?

It was underground and stuff

[gusty chasm]

Valus taur'c i think. (atleast for me it was)

[tawdry wigeon]

The wizard one right?

With the huge portal behind him

[chrome fog]

That’s the Cabal guy

[tawdry wigeon]

Oof it started with X i think

I remember him having some nice lore but idr what exactly

[chrome fog]

Any other details about the strike/battleground?

[dim minnow]

Nokris?

[dim minnow]

you mean Nokris then?

[tawdry wigeon]

YES!!

[chrome fog]

Screenshots might also help

Oh ok

[tawdry wigeon]

It wasn't x

[chrome fog]

Nice

[tawdry wigeon]

It was n

[chrome fog]

[dim minnow]

why did you think it was Ta'aurc?

[tawdry wigeon]

One of my fav bosses ngl

[chrome fog]

Someone else did, not me

That was Shaxx

[dim minnow]

oh, you green names all look the same to me

[chrome fog]

[tawdry wigeon]

Didnt nokris have some somewhat lengthy lore? For a character

[dim minnow]

he was Crota's brother

[chrome fog]

Disowned by Oryx for researching necromancy

[dim minnow]

so basically, Oryx disowned Nokris because he wasn't as strong as Crota

[chrome fog]

And that

He wanted to cheat by learning necromancy

[dim minnow]

so Nokris decided to commune with the Worm Gods and ended up forming a pact with Xol who gave him the power of Necromancy because Xol was afraid that Yul would kill him off

[chrome fog]

Xol also being the runt of the family

[dim minnow]

this led to Oryx completely casting Nokris away from him

going as far as to erase any record of his existence except for a single statue that stood defiant in his Dreadnaught

[chrome fog]

His statue is a scannable in the Dreadnaught, Ghost notes that it’s like Oryx wanted him erased from history

I’m so slow

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhhh alright yea the necromancer

Now i remember

[dim minnow]

we first heard of his name in The Taken King where we scanned that statue

[tawdry wigeon]

How many siblings does crota have?

[dim minnow]

and we only got one other mention when Eris asked Asher Mir if he knew anything about it

[dim minnow]

3 that we know of

Norkis, Ir Anuk, and Ir Halak

the latter 2 being the deathsinger sisters we kill in King's Fall

[chrome fog]

They are also the inventors of the Deathsong

[dim minnow]

no actually

[chrome fog]

Daw

My mind is melted being outside in this stadium

[dim minnow]

the Deathsong was originally The Song of Life which originated from the "Gardener" (probably the Traveler)

it was then stolen by the Hive where it was studied for centuries

[tawdry wigeon]

Sooo the irs stole the sample from the gardener and they made their own song

Whats the deathsong again? Ive never done kings fall unfortunately

[dim minnow]

then, an unnamed Hive known as the Stricken made her own Aria and assassinated the First Conductor

prior to this, the Hive actually revered the lifesong and had a choir perform it in order to mark the passage of seasons

it was then believed that the song had been slowly corrupting those who heard the choir with its "lies"

so anyways, the Stricken would then be captured and would be studied so the Hive can learn what she did

[chrome fog]

Neat, you learn something new every day

[dim minnow]

then the Deathsong would be created

if I'm correct, it was first used to wipe out a powerful and well defended species with a choir of only 20 strong

[tawdry wigeon]

Ahhh gotcha!

Jesuuuus

Do the guardians get affected by it?

[dim minnow]

yes

basically, the Deathsong does not just kill those who listen to it

it destroys you on an ontological level

[tawdry wigeon]

Ah damn

Fucking hive man

I hope we get an episode where we just eradicate the hive atp they are legit everywhere

The only place ive never seen them is Nessus for some reason

[dim minnow]

Heresy will pertain to the Hive, though I think it will be the Hidden Swarm specifcally

[tawdry wigeon]

Hidden swarm? Is it like a specific faction inside the hive?

[dim minnow]

Moon Hive

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh oh ok

[dim minnow]

lore-wise, they were Crota's main invasion force

[tawdry wigeon]

The red ones

[dim minnow]

actually, it seems they were Crota's main defense force

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeap i remember back in shadowkeep

[dim minnow]

Boiling from the wounded surface of the Moon, the Hidden Swarm is the Hive's outermost line of defense - a numberless legion that repels intruders before they breach the temples and shrines of the vast Hive fortress.

[tawdry wigeon]

We will be going back to the moon then

[limpid hill]

I'm relatively new to destiny and looking for a clan if anyone is recruiting UK

[tawdry wigeon]

Awesome i missed that place

[dim minnow]

we already went back there

in Shadowkeep

we can just go to the Moon right now

[tawdry wigeon]

https://discord.com/channels/297116500232372224/1019968541803429939

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea thats what i meant, we can go there after a long time

[chrome fog]

That’s most likely the foothold the Vex have on Nessus already, and they’re seemingly the only other enemy force that can oppose them

[tawdry wigeon]

True but i barely has any purpose

[dim minnow]

but if you're meaning that you want the Moon to be story-relevant again, then I guess Heresy will be that

[tawdry wigeon]

I do need divination oops

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeap thats what meant

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea exactly what I was thinking. The cabal or the elliksni are not strong enough to go against them

[dim minnow]

not like Nessus has anything the Hive want at this time

[tawdry wigeon]

Its still there for some reason

Haven't had any use since defiance

Give us one of the vaulted planets back pls😭

Ig nessus has the starter exotic quests

So its has some purpose

[outer dragon]

Oxa

[tawdry wigeon]

The psion thingy?

Why would the hive want that?

[outer dragon]

It's valuable tech

[tawdry wigeon]

But they don't use tech unless its ships and stuff

Ig its all about predictions so it could be helpful after the witness is gone

[outer dragon]

It also MAY have connections to Taox

[tawdry wigeon]

The female krill right?

Idk how taox and oxa would connect

But this is destiny ig

[chrome fog]

I mean Cabal probably have enough military equipment to be a challenge, the Vex are about equal in ability to overwhelm through sheer numbers and power (though in the Vex’s case that’s because their Radiolaria transforms material in more Vex)

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea but cabal couldn't last as long against them. As for the vex I agree they could have the upper hand

Between all theses races, there are humans too. Idk why but it feels wild thinking about how weak humans are compared to them

[hearty dagger]

So like, what the hell actually is a Taken Chimera?

[outer dragon]

It is also referred to as Oxta

[tawdry wigeon]

The disgusting servitor tentacle thing but u probably mean what it is in detail

[outer dragon]

It's an outside chance but Byf did bring it up himself so it's something to consider seeing as we do not know where Taox is

[chrome fog]

Probably a Taken Servitor; the reason why they’re so meaty is, to my guess, due to whatever portion of the Servitor is dedicated to producing Ether, considering it contains the nutrients and hormones to encourage healthy Eliksni growth

[hearty dagger]

Yea I want to know how one is created.

[hearty dagger]

Bungie has explicitly said that the Taken Chimeras aren't Taken Servitors though, right?

[outer dragon]

Well, we currently don't know how exactly Servitors are made soooo

[chrome fog]

Have they?

[outer dragon]

To know how one could be Taken we would need to know more about them

[tawdry wigeon]

Thats true actually. Byf do be bringing cool characters to the table after we've completely forgotten about them

[chrome fog]

Actually curious if there’s a statement by a writer or whatnot that denies Chimeras as Taken Servitors

Kinda how we got dog hives but I know there’s a singular lore entry mentioning them in passing

(Thank you Seth)

[tawdry wigeon]

@hearty dagger hope this helps

[hearty dagger]

I'm pretty sure that Bungie has said that they're not taken servitors, that's also probably why they've made an effort to actually call them Chimeras as of late. They're clearly based on a Servitor, with the outer plating, but they're not Servitors that have been taken.

[chrome fog]

Don’t trust Destinypedia

[tawdry wigeon]

Why not?

[hearty dagger]

I don't think that Servitors (and shanks for that matter) can be taken, as they're not technically sentient.

[tawdry wigeon]

Nvm @hearty dagger don't click the link

[chrome fog]

Very frequently they put stuff that the community thinks is right but isn’t completely the case; infamously, Eramis was a different name prior to Beyond Light, but some editor on Destinypedia misheard “Baroness of the Shipstealers” as “Eramis of the Shipstealers”

[outer dragon]

Yuuup

[tawdry wigeon]

Ahh nvm then thanks for telling me

[chrome fog]

Kinda like Byf and the Krill

[outer dragon]

I had to explain that to someone

[hearty dagger]

Wasn't Eramis named in the Zero Hour mission?

[shadow crypt]

Who’s the ahamkara that’s referred in warlords ruin

[hearty dagger]

So from purely a lore perspective, is there a chance that we could see Taken version of races that were destroyed by Oryx during the Books of Sorrow?

[tawdry wigeon]

Its doable but i don't think they would create new models for them

But that's just my opinion

[hearty dagger]

Thats why i said purely from a lore perspective.

[tawdry wigeon]

Then yea i suppose so

Why wouldn't we?

[hearty dagger]

I'd love to see, if they ever were to make a Destiny 3, that they retire the Champion System and Implimented new Super Elites like the Lightbearer Hive into each race. Using old races that the Taken have bested could be a fun way to give them their own Super Elites.

[chrome fog]

As they had no actual designation prior to whenever they reference the proto-Hive as Krill in-game

[tawdry wigeon]

I feel like in d3 we could see new races and species

[chrome fog]

I’d need to ask Mael or Dova if Variks spouting out the “Baroness of the Ship Stealers” line was before Zero Hour

[tawdry wigeon]

Do they have one now? Nvm dumb question don't reply

[chrome fog]

Pretty sure it was a D1 idle dialogue

It was Veeriks

[hearty dagger]

I think that D3 could be helpful to possibly retire the Cabal and the Fallen as enemies as well. As far as I know from a lore perspective, most of those races are either scattered or on our side.

[tawdry wigeon]

Elliksni are both

[chrome fog]

Bungie seems set on D2 as a live service

Maybe a supplementary title could explore the universe

[tawdry wigeon]

They did say that destiny 2 amd destiny will bring more or whatever

[chrome fog]

Like ODST or Spartan Strike/Assault

[hearty dagger]

I just feel like there are a lot of rough parts of D2 that could be sanded off by hitting a reset button on us.

[outer dragon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyLore/comments/inlgae/eramis_is_built_upon_a_mistake/

[chrome fog]

Yeah, but they’ve already done the reworked lighting system that came with Beyond Light and a number of other optimizations, not to mention the new Episode release schedule. I suppose a D3 that runs alongside D2 and D1 might work but it feels like they’re in it for the long haul with D2

[hearty dagger]

I think that the 3 biggest things would probably be 1: The fallen and the Cabal don't make a huge amount of sense as main antagonists anymore, the biggest groups of them are either leaderless or on our side. 2: Getting rid of Champions would be such a relief, they've long overstayed their welcome but so much of the game is built on them. and 3: a Destiny 3 could see all of the Subclasses turned into Prismatic, allowing us the ultimate freedom to build.

[tawdry wigeon]

Im relieved and scared about that ngl. Bungie has been having a hard time lately so im kinda scared when it comes to the leader position..

[chrome fog]

Isometric shooter would go hard in The Destiny setting

[tawdry wigeon]

Anyhow wrong channel for that

[chrome fog]

Nah it’s fine here so long as we reign it back in after a bit

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh okayy

Oh well imma go to cleep see yall

[chrome fog]

Gn

[raw hazel]

Adios

[atomic pulsar]

What's the deal with all the taken energy flying around the dreaming city?

[chrome fog]

The Dreaming City is under a curse where the same three weeks repeat on a loop, and also Mara’s Throneworld that she crafted using a little bit of Oryx’s Throneworld got smashed by Oryx and is basically a massive leak for rabid Taken to enter the Dreaming City

There is also the Blind Well, which I’ll let this explain how that’s working out: #📚lore-discussion message

[atomic pulsar]

Ah, okay, thank you

[outer dragon]

Pretty sure we are in a strong week too

[raw hazel]

If only my self-esteem were strong 😔

[chrome fog]

If only my sleep schedule was strong

[raw hazel]

MOOOOOD

[gentle geyser]

I have a really easy solution from number 1

After the events of the final shape, at least in lore, doesn’t have to be in gameplay yet or now, but introduce ALL the factions (except the obvious exceptions) lightbearers

Obviously we’re gonna be the witness, how do the enemy factions remain and threat and more importantly how do they maintain morale

Simple, they also now have the power of godkillers

Even if its not expanded on in d2

[past glen]

LYSANDER 🔥

[empty fern]

Now you gotta wonder
Who were the rangers (before the guardians)

[shadow crypt]

How did we fall into a dark age

[gentle geyser]

The witness and the black fleet

[chrome fog]

There were the Iron Lords who serve as a precursor to the Guardians being Lightbearers dedicated to the defense of others who cannot defend themselves

I’m not totally sure if the Pilgrim Guard or the Six Coyotes also fit into these pre-Guardian Lightbearer groups

[empty fern]

Hmmm

[chrome fog]

More specifically I am unsure if they were established before or during the early development of the Last City

[empty fern]

Hmmmm

[tiny edge]

What is riven, I don’t know what the dragon things are except riven is the last one

[pliant widget]

they are monky paw draongs

[tiny edge]

What’s so special about them or why did they get killed off in the first place

[pliant widget]

cuz they can change reality

[tiny edge]

Fancy

[pliant widget]

and when they do they monkey paw

cuz they get sustience and power by eating reality

[tiny edge]

Wtf 💀

[pliant widget]

and if they alter the wish they get more

[tiny edge]

Weird

[pliant widget]

riven was the last living one known for a while

then eggs

and we killed riven, but part of us fighting her caused her to be more permenant

wish dragons already are not binded by life

some exotics use their bones to draw power

its just if they are alive, it is much eaiser for them to do shit

[tiny edge]

🤯

[chrome fog]

They specifically feed off desire for reality to be different, it’s described as the divide between “reality as is” to “reality as desired”. If it isn’t obvious, they’re paracausal, and tout their ability to change reality to entice potential petitioners to give them a wish and for them to mess it up purposefully

Honestly thumbs up bozo, you got it all

[iron mortar]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/terminus-horizon

Can someone explain what is happening here

How did Maya bend a vex mind to help humanity

Why does soteria wanna help humanity

How did the witness destroy a galaxy or make it unhabitable

[trim grotto]

Soteria is a human-made AI with a splash of Vex tech mixed in thanks to the Ishtar Collective's Vex expertise

She isn't Just An Entire Vex

™️

[iron mortar]

So she is kinda like Rasputin

[trim grotto]

Like a cousin but designed for colonisation aid rather than defence, yeah

[iron mortar]

What are the chances that Rasputin is gone for ever

I feel like it is low for me

Since he has so many bunkers across the system no way he didn't have a backup

[trim grotto]

Ah, well. I wouldn't say it's impossible given the amount of contingencies he has had (that he may not even be aware of), but that really comes down to the writers. And to be honest, Rasputin has been a bit of a pain on their front.

[iron mortar]

Because he is too powerful?

[trim grotto]

It's hard to keep having the Golden Age War God with access to Golden Age weaponry stay on the sidelines, yeah.

[iron mortar]

Either way how did the witness destroy Andromeda?

Soteria said the numbers of habitable planets was millions

And became just a couple dozens in seconds

[trim grotto]

Dr. MS: All the simulant expeditions?

AI-S: Yes. I… hold… Query refined. There are now two safe destinations with Triangulum.```
Here we see *one* viable destination within Triangulum become *two.* The worlds, therefore, were not destroyed, but the path towards them was rendered uncertain and unsafe by a moving, unknown anomaly.

This information, by the way, was sent to Rasputin and was key to his early defence and preparation for the Collapse.

[iron mortar]

But as we know Rasputin was useless against the darkness

Twice mind you

[trim grotto]

I don't think anyone was expecting magic Pyramids who defied physics and couldn't be harmed, to be fair.

[iron mortar]

But Rasputin can destroy the traveler?

[empty fern]

Maybe

[iron mortar]

It seems inconsistent

Well everyone was pretty confident his sleeper simulants could destroy it

[dim minnow]

Keep in mind that Pyramids are not the same class of entity as the Traveler

[trim grotto]

Well, it's not that Pyramids couldn't be harmed, but they defended themselves from harm. Asher's missile, for example, was held in place and never actually hit a shot.
The Cabal within the Europan Pyramid nearly destroyed the interior statue using their suppression tech and handheld weaponry.

[empty fern]

Nearly?

[trim grotto]

When it comes down to it, unlike the Pyramids, the Traveler is not a combatant. Even against Essence, the Traveler didn't truly attack it.

[trim grotto]

Yes, that was part of the WQ campaign.

[iron mortar]

I remember in the taken king how they alluded to ghaul when in shield brother strike they say the cabal were sending data back to their HQ

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/recovered-memory-wen-1#book-legacys-lament

[trim grotto]

hah yeah that was a bit of a mangled piece of lore

But the overarching implication was that the Cage was built from this

[iron mortar]

Did the war with the vex happen before or during the dark age

[trim grotto]

Before the Collapse

This was Golden Age

[iron mortar]

Really??

[trim grotto]

Very late Golden Age but yes

[iron mortar]

Why didn't Elise or Clovis-1(Banshee) SOS for help

[trim grotto]

A series of reasons

Firstly the Europan facility was secretive and Clovis Bray wanted to keep it this way. He even set up a literal nuclear failsafe.

[empty fern]

[iron mortar]

Is the Elsie bray here the same one we know and love

[trim grotto]

Secondly

"Charon's Crossing. Main comms station for Eventide to connect with the rest of the Sol system," I say.

"This is the place that AI mentioned… I thought we weren't coming here."

Dr. Bray steps in. "We're just making sure Clovis can't get what he wants. I'm sending a distress call, and then we're jamming all external comm links. We'll meet back up with the others when we're done here."```
```"Sorry to cut this exciting chat short, but our whole comms system is being overridden," I say.

"Clovis." Dr. Bray is furious. "That damn liar… Our internal comms systems aren't down at all. He's going to get billions of people killed. Screw this. We have to get everyone on that evac ship immediately. Then, I'll deal with the Vex and Clovis. End this for good."```

[trim grotto]

Yes

[iron mortar]

What about the one Clovis killed

[empty fern]

Hmmmm

[iron mortar]

I thought the Elsie we know is from another timeline

[trim grotto]

Rebuilt her from a backed up mindscan, blamed Vex

[empty fern]

Crow≠uldren
But what about ana

[trim grotto]

Ah well there's the thing about that

Elsie's timeline loop isn't a series of one timeline to the next timeline

Imagine this particular timeline as a tree. In the past, the trunk, we all share the same history, the same timeline. But then the tree grows branches. Elsie has travelled up each branch, and each time it dies, she's placed back upon the trunk.

Our branch has not yet died. It is flowering. But we share the same trunk, the same past. She is, in many ways, still "our" Elsie.

[iron mortar]

Ana is a big exception since with what Rasputin told us, she woke up next to her badge and name

[empty fern]

[trim grotto]

Ana, like Savathûn, chose to become who she was.

She embodies that person.

Crow did not.

[empty fern]

I see

[iron mortar]

It is like rebuilding a broken car and giving the same name as before

But some people may give the car a new name since it was rebuilt

But some would just keep the same name

[iron mortar]

Huh? 😨

[trim grotto]

We share the same past. The timeline splits from roughly around Cayde's promotion to Vanguard. She is sent back there each time.

It's Groundhog Day but it only resets upon an unknown trigger.

[iron mortar]

Ok so she still experienced everything we read about in the legacy L

[trim grotto]

Yes, which is still our history

[iron mortar]

But Elsie Everytime she dies

She just goes back to the same branch

[trim grotto]

And tries again

[iron mortar]

Or jumps back to a new branch

Which one, does she jump to a new one or stays on the same branch further back

[trim grotto]

It's the same past. Her choices change the new future.

So the latter

[iron mortar]

In the timeline where she met us, why did she choose to not to meet the rest of the vanguard

Or did she already know most of them

[little gorge]

it's not exactly a Ship of Theseus since the change happens all at once

[iron mortar]

Do you think we will ever see the distrutory, the home of the awoken

At this point there has to millions of awoken at this point

[kindred wyvern]

How long ago was the collapse?

[empty fern]

A while ago

[dim minnow]

several centuries

[sharp osprey]

i don't know if there's an answer, but i personally feel like it was 300-400 years ago

Bungie has said that Destiny takes place in the 28th century iirc

Ares 1 was in 2014 right?

[undone bane]

How tough are Hive Knights' flesh?

[rich veldt]

when was that said?

[sharp osprey]

Googled it again, i dont think bungie ever explicitly said it, but Wikipedia does lol

Not the destiny wiki, like real Wikipedia

[dim minnow]

we tend to not have exact numbers on how tough enemies are

[rich veldt]

golden age was a few hundred years, the dark ages definatley lasted a while, and im pretty sure the citys a couple hundred years

[undone bane]

I remember Osiris or someone once said that it took 100 of Shaxx's redjacks just to kill one

[rich veldt]

if you mean the "set about 700 years in the future" yeah that aint gonna be accurate

[sharp osprey]

Fair enough

[rich veldt]

thats way too short of a time period

we are probably somewhere around the 32nd-34th century

[sharp osprey]

it doesn't feel like anything more than 1000 years tho, 1500 at the absolute most

do all of the alien species come from the milky way galaxy or other galaxies?

cuz in my mind, the eliksni and the cabal are also from the milky way, but the Hive are from waaaay far away. The Vex are obviously a completely different story.

and the precursors and the lubraeans would be in a similar boat as the hive i think

[rich veldt]

the vex just exist

[sharp osprey]

yeah, isn't it speculated they're from a different timeline entirely?

like the previous "game" or whatever?

[rich veldt]

well going off the game, the vex were the winners of it, and carried over into this version of it

except now paracausality is involved

[trim grotto]

No.
Even if someone were to re-enter the one-way trip of the Distributary entrance, billions of years passed in the time it took the outside world to reach the early Dark Ages.
It's impossible to comprehend what it'd be like there.

[trim grotto]

A D1 pre-release trailer said this, but when we look at the actual lore, it's more of a "near future" scenario.

[trim grotto]

I assume this is without a source and based off of player estimates - because we do not have such a timeline

[trim grotto]

This goes by Unveiling, which is inherently flawed as a standalone piece of concrete information - it even calls itself a metaphor. I wouldn't source it as hard fact in and of itself.

I see a bloo

[willow dagger]

Do taken like… teleport? Like vex? Like how do they appear to “glitch”?

[trim grotto]

Taken can open portals, and sometimes teleport short distance, yes.

[sharp osprey]

Mael, is there any information you know of regarding where in space planets like Torobatl, Riis, and Fundament are? I talked about that a little bit earlier and my personal ideas

[trim grotto]

There is not, no. We know the Eliksni travelled for... I believe it was decades, and the Cabal a year or two, but we don't know the speeds of their engines or any stops or complications either group had.
As for Fundament, the events there were billions of years ago, so there's no telling how far off it may be.

[sharp osprey]

also what brought the cabal here? did they just happen upon us on their conquest a little bit after the collapse?

[trim grotto]

Depends on what you mean. The original Legions, the Red Legion, or the Ascendancy?

[sharp osprey]

the first cabal to arrive in Sol

[trim grotto]

Simple conquest, then. Nothing in particular, a coincidence really.

[sharp osprey]

aight

I am really curious about the Dread lore

probably similar to tormentors i imagine

wait, is nezarec even confirmed to be a disciple?

yes he is, i'm dumb lol

[frozen finch]

Is there any lore significance to the highlighted line or is it just something extra the community team threw in?

[trim grotto]

I can't see anything significant about it whatsoever.

[final geyser]

the only one of those that seems to be of note is Rhulk Indomitable

[frozen finch]

Yeah I saw that one, he’s classified as a Dread which makes sense

[fossil drift]

Guys what if we use all 3 forsaken ciphers in plc pack, how can i get more to change exotic weapons from that?

[trim grotto]

You can earn more from Xûr. The Forsaken ones are simply free gifts.

This kind of question is more for #❓destiny-questions though, as this channel is more for discussing the story, lore, setting, and universe of the game.

[modern lodge]

Mael once again I request random lore

Actually

Tell us your favourite bit/bits of lore

[trim grotto]

The Last City pipes paracausal energy through The Wall
I have no idea how or why they do this but it's fascinating to consider

[modern lodge]

Destiny has such a cool universe

It's so interesting

[fossil drift]

Tks mate

[tawdry wigeon]

The three kids of savathun.from what ive seen, dont have much lore compared to crota. I would say the same about xivu araths kids but idk if she has any to begin with

[chrome fog]

The Dark Age, of which we can estimate based off of Saladin and Drifter’s accounts as some of the oldest Lightbearers we know of in terms of how long since their first resurrection, ranges from several centuries to a little over a millennia, we have no idea how long the Golden Age nor the City Age has lasted, though it’s important to note that Eris was a Last City citizen prior to her death and then resurrection, and her journey and subsequent exit from the Hellmouth had her gone for centuries

[chrome fog]

While Mael’s right in there possibly being some contingency even Red doesn’t know about, we took the subminds from Rasputin’s various bunkers across the Sol System to rebuild his fractured mind, and then all of that went away with him when he sacrificed himself in Seraph.

[chrome fog]

Ironically she has more than Savathun, but only by one

[trim grotto]

enjoy

[chrome fog]

ARGH

I was so close!

[trim grotto]

you must learn the way of the sauce

[chrome fog]

I jus wakey up from being out all day yesterday

Alarm and dog woke me up

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh this is sick thanks!

[chrome fog]

Wish I looked in here more before consulting dpedia, the only thing it’s good for is quick citations if they do cite

[naive raptor]

Wow, and to think I thought a Queen would act more modest

[trim grotto]

Pardon?

[naive raptor]

Nvm, I don’t think I can say the meaning of the joke on the server

[eager trout]

Bruh, the Ogre model really is the most used

[trim grotto]

The War God likes Ogres. Makes sense.

[naive raptor]

How are Ogres born? Ik that Thrall become Acolytes, and Acolytes become Knights or Wizards, so how to hive become ogres?

[trim grotto]

Torture!

Charged with Hive sorcery, Ogres are abominations of flesh and rage, unleashed from the deepest Hive tunnels as engines of destruction. Apocryphal lore suggests that Ogres undergo terrible transformations as they grow - agonizing rituals that gift them with might and cunning.

[rancid pasture]

Anyway how did the vanguard gain authority

[trim grotto]

The Consensus was formed very early in the life of the City as a form of government, primarily as a result of and to stop the Faction Wars. The Vanguard, representing and leading the Guardians, were a part of this council.

[rancid pasture]

Ohh

[chrome fog]

I mean, she kind of is with the least connected lineage

As in, Savathun with the Queen Morph

[naive raptor]

Is this punishment?

[trim grotto]

Nope
Just Hive being Hive

[naive raptor]

Live Hive Reaction

[naive raptor]

I would be impressed if you could make a “Live Colonel Reaction”

[dim minnow]

give me a good picture to use and I could probably do it in a while

[shadow crypt]

Why did the traveler leave lubrae

[dim minnow]

it probably felt like its work had been done

[shadow crypt]

How did lubrae fall

And why did rhulk turn on his own people

[dim minnow]

The people of Lubrae used a device to siphon energy from one of their suns

[naive raptor]

Pick one

[dim minnow]

when Rhulk went crazy, he reversed that power causing the surface of the planet to die, killing everyone

as for why, well...

for starters, the planet was ruled by a regime that hunted down small groups like his clan-family

Rhulk wanted to fight against this regime which scared his own people, so they cast him out

Rhulk would eventually get captured by the regime and would end up joining them

important to mention as well that he was largely inspired by his father who he saw go nuts and kill a few regime hunters earlier in his life

his father was also captured by the regime prior to Rhulk himself being captured

and his father would join the regime after that

so after a while of working for the regime, Rhulk finds out that his father was never really loyal to them in the first place which pissed him off again

[remote sky]

WHOS UP HERE TALKIN BOUT RHULKS INFLUENCE

Oh

[shadow crypt]

Didn’t bungie confirm that he’s the strongest enemy we’ve faced

[dim minnow]

so after killing his father, Rhulk would go for his clan-family who were fleeing to the regime city

they would end up talking him down, then they would betray him and throw him into an abyss

it was there that Rhulk first met the Witness who healed him and gave him the power he needed to just kill everyone

at first, Rhulk felt immense guilt, but then the Witness gaslit him into reveling in it

[gentle geyser]

Love gaslighting

[dim minnow]

yes, but we kind of had a feeling for a while

[shadow crypt]

Wasn’t he kind of holding back against us as well?

[dim minnow]

I'l get back to you later, maybe I'll go with the first one

[dim minnow]

he was doing it to screw with us

anyways, I've got to go for now

[gentle geyser]

He list because he was cocky

[chrome fog]

Because it had already helped Uplift them and advance their civilization, to which she went off to help other civilizations

[raw hazel]

Very proud of my helpful wife

[shadow crypt]

How the hell did savathun trap rhulk in the pyramid in her throne world

[cursive falcon]

Who is Dredgen Yor?

And what did he do?

[trim grotto]

With the power of the Wellspring and her newfound Light.

[trim grotto]

Dredgen Yor was the most infamous, corrupted, ex-Guardian mass murderer - including of Guardians - to have ever existed.

[cursive falcon]

Is he dead now or is he still alive?

[trim grotto]

Dredgen Yor was killed some years ago by The Man With The Golden Gun, Shin Malphur himself. It was a legendary duel of the early City Age that took place upon Dwindler's Ridge.

[cursive falcon]

It would be cool if there was a dungeon or raid boss of him

[ember storm]

probably would have to change the T rating then

don’t think bungie wants the headache of that

[cursive falcon]

So dredgen yor played a lot of gambit then

[trim grotto]

While his Ghost, Vincent, is still alive, Yor threatened Vincent to leave on pain of death.
However, his legacy lives on. Dredgen Yor was originally known as Rezyl Azzir, before a trophy bone claimed from one of the very first encounters with the Hive was grafted upon his Handcannon Rose, and this cursed bone corrupted both Rose and himself. Rose became the one and only Thorn.

[trim grotto]

No.

[ember storm]

Gambit didn’t exist then

he just murdered people

[trim grotto]

The Dredgens were named after Yor.

[ember storm]

Dredgens are a fan club using the name

[trim grotto]

As I said, this was early City Age. Decades to centuries ago. Gambit only started up a few years ago.

[ember storm]

basic edgy ones were drawn to gambit, which was by design

but they’re just people acting on yor’s “memory”

[cursive falcon]

Interesting

I learned about Siva a few days ago and i thought it looked cool but i heard it was also destroyed ?

[trim grotto]

When I say "one and only", that's actually not true. Poor choice of words. The original Thorn was destroyed, and we turned it into Rose again, and then into Lumina. The Thorns we see nowadays are replicas, originally used by the Dredgens (not Yor, his fanclub), and we made one ourselves, too.

[trim grotto]

It was introduced and destroyed in the same D1 DLC - Rise of Iron.

[cursive falcon]

I really wanna buy the siva armor set

It looks really cool

Or is it siva?

Looks like it

[trim grotto]

Armour set?

[cursive falcon]

Idk if it is the siva armour but it sure looks like it

Theres a synthoceps ornament that looks like it

[trim grotto]

Yes, there is one.

[ember storm]

there’s just a bunch of randomly assorted exotic ornaments because nostalgia is profitable

none of it is a full set

[cursive falcon]

I’d be so hyped if they released a set

Which is highly unlikely

[trim grotto]

Well, not highly. But it isn't relevant story-wise and hasn't been for years.
It's a construction nanite originally intended for colony construction - it's actually what created Neomuna.

Rasputin used it as a weapon to slay Iron Lord Felwinter, as well as the other Iron Lords by collateral.

We, many years later, destroyed the Replication Complex that had been taken over by the Devil Splicers.

[ember storm]

friendly reminder that SIVA was only responsible for killing 8 iron lords

[cursive falcon]

Im hoping after the final shape siva returns

It looks so cool

[ember storm]

the hundreds of others were his own firepower

[cursive falcon]

Thats still a lot of iron lords

[ember storm]

not really

it’s the same number of people who died in Savathun’s song

hardly a lot

[naive raptor]

How come WE couldnt use Yor’s Thorn? We could use Necrocasm’s base variant, Husk of the Pit.

So why can’t we use the OG thorn?

[ember storm]

it was destroyed

essentially just a corrupted piece of scrap

not usable as a gun

it also disgusted our guardian to the point of sickness by just holding it

make up whatever edgy lore you want, the guardian is not morally corrupt at all

we cleansed and repaired it to the point where it became Rose again, and then further enhanced it through light to create Lumina

[trim grotto]

As stated in the message you're replying to, it was destroyed.
Furthermore, Thorn was so dangerous and powerful that being killed by it wouldn't simply kill a Lightbearer - it would drain their Light and make them unable to be rezzed, even if their Ghost survived.

Dead, for good.

[raw hazel]

The Thorns we use are lesser copies.

The actual Thorn was a truly vile/horrible instrument that should never be actually used.

Purifying it into Lumina was the best thing that could have happened to it.

[cursive falcon]

So lumina is the original thorn just cleansed instead

[ember storm]

You are the new owner of Dredgen Yor's original Thorn. Merely holding the gun makes you nauseous—not out of moral principles, necessarily, but instead a very physical effect which reminds you of losing your Light during the Red War. You don't know what to do with this… thing. You have no intention of firing it.

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/bearer-of-evils-past

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[ember storm]

Crumbs of young wolf characterization

[raw hazel]

Shin left us Yor’s Thorn, as gave us the task of doing something better with it.

Tbh still one of my favorite exotic quests ever.

[cursive falcon]

What is the ishtar?

[trim grotto]

The Ishtar Collective was a Golden Age research institute.

They were known for their research on the Vex.

[raw hazel]

The website itself, if that’s what you’re asking, is a third-party site that catalogues most of the game’s lore.

[naive raptor]

I’ve had a theory about the OG Thorn’s ammo. The bullets that it shot would absorb a lightbearer/guardian’s light, and then turn it into a poison/venom that kills the guardian. The more light it absorbed, the more poison/venom is released. And the stronger the light, the stronger the poison

[raw hazel]

It’s a very handy resource.

[trim grotto]

It's quite venomous to non-Lightbearers.

[ember storm]

light is in all thing and thorn ate it out of all things

it was just inherently more dangerous to Lightbearers since draining it from them would leave nothing for the ghost to resurrect

and also paracausal bullet hard counters ghosts etc etc

[chrome fog]

They made up a whole order, a majority of them were killed off by Warsats and combat frames as Rasputin tried to prevent them from reaching the SIVA replication chamber

[chrome fog]

And we already have a more advanced nanotechnology which is implied to be in use in the Quicksilver exotic

It’s the same technology implemented in the Cloudstriders’ augments

[ember storm]

Outbreak is the last portion of weaponized SIVA in the whole system, and only effective because it has a mini replication chamber built into the weapon

it can’t be reprogrammed or used for anything else

[naive raptor]

I’ve never understood SIVA. Was it a project or a weapons manufacturer? What happened to them?

[candid inlet]

maelstronnar (ID 238506376165457920)

[Message Link](#📚lore-discussion message) to #📚lore-discussion
Well, not highly. But it isn't relevant story-wise and hasn't been for years.
It's a construction nanite originally intended for colony construction - it's actually what created Neomuna.

Command triggered by maelstronnar. Message link from · May 18, 2024, 2:58 PM

[cursive falcon]

I just got the rapid hit and its so good in pvp

[ember storm]

its nanotechnology, meaning it could be applied to a lot with the proper commands

mainly it was designed for easy construction for colonization, but it’s not like anybody ignored offensive capabilities

Willa Bray, its creator, wanted it focused on more uplifting things rather than destructive

this is also what the iron lords were looking for

of course that’s when Rasputin went and had his angry phase and programmed it to kill

after that it was just left lying around until the splicers for the house of devils unearthed it and started applying it to literally everything

they enhanced their weapons and machines, even replacing parts of their own bodies with it and trying to mess around with hive experiments on top of that

it culminated in Aksis, an archon, almost entirely replacing himself with SIVA and proclaiming him as the new Eliksni machine god

meanwhile the iron lords and their bodies were still just trapped in the replication chamber and just got puppeteered by it

[chrome fog]

Get to fight their mangled corpses

[rugged bluff]

What has fail safe been up to these last few years

I swear we just kind of forgot about her

[trim grotto]

"Another party I'm not invited to. What a surprise." —Failsafe

[trim grotto]

Nothing, and we did! The last time anyone properly interacted with her was three years ago! Guess what that was about?

"Thanks, Failsafe!" Glint scooted into the ship, away from the prying eyes of the Vex and Fallen. "I know the Vanguard hasn't been back here in a while but—"

"Correct! It's been almost two years since you last visited, even though you promised to come back often," the AI replied. "I've since developed the emotion of betrayal, just for you!"

"Well, I'm here now." Glint tried to keep his tone light. "I was hoping you could help me with a research project?"

"Of course. I'm happy to be exploited for your gain!" Failsafe replied helpfully. And then, in a more dour tone, "Anything to break up the unending loneliness."```

She said she'd been abandoned and forgotten by us for two years.
That was three years ago.

Failsafe is... lonely.

[rugged bluff]

I’ll actually be disappointed if we don’t have at least something that involves failsafe next year

[trim grotto]

"I just figured that since you're one of the greatest intelligences in the system, you might have some insight," Glint said.

"Your disingenuous compliment has been noted and appreciated," Failsafe replied, the lilt returning to her voice. "Would you like to play checkers?"``` Ah, poor Failsafe.

[rugged bluff]

She deserved better 😢

[iron mortar]

Outside of becoming blue what else does being awoken give you

[trim grotto]

An incredibly elongated lifespan. Mild paracausality that can sometimes be trained (Techeuns). A connection to Mara Sov and the Reef.

[raw hazel]

Quality skin care too

[chrome fog]

The Titan exotic chest plate looks like it has Failsafe’s symbol on it, potential ride along from her?

[dreamy patio]

• "Veiled Threats Emerge"

what

[jagged badge]

Season finale mission probably

[dreamy patio]

oh fuck

*i know what happens in the final mission * . . . . i ain't telling it

[jagged badge]

If you’re hinting at knowing any leaks or anything then yeah, don’t say anything

[chrome fog]

Doubtful

And no, I would not like proof of how you know

[dreamy patio]

trust me i know you'll just have to wait for when it drops trust me

[chrome fog]

Huge doubt

[jagged badge]

Anyways

Moving on

[dreamy patio]

so uh, why are the ishtar collective in taranis'es lair again?

[chrome fog]

Taranis’ lair is in the middle of the Black Garden, a space created by the Vex or at the very least used by the Vex and connected to their Network

And the Ishtar team had found 227 simulated copies of themselves when they were studying a Vex subject, to which they sent out into the Vex Network to map it out and send back whatever discoveries they make

As for why specifically Taranis’ lair, that is unclear

Perhaps the Echoes episode after Final Shape will explore why their symbol was there

[dreamy patio]

so theres just clones of some random scientist just roaming the garden this very moment?

[dull raft]

I seem to recall it was 227 copies of three people, could be wrong though

[dreamy patio]

so these are like, living sentient breathing flesh clones?

[chrome fog]

You know Maya Sundaresh from the Veil Containment Logs? Chioma Esi who recorded said logs? They’re two of the three researchers who discovered their simulated copies in a Vex, and their research is some of the first on the Vex, not only bringing the Ishtar Collective into prominence

And… not entirely sure if they’re flesh and blood, more accurate to say sentient code simulacras of the researchers

[dreamy patio]

oh holy shit i forgot about those two

[chrome fog]

Maya is also important as the founder of the Future War Cult

And do you remember the strike with the Psion on Nessus, where Ghost asks “Who’s MSund12?”

[dreamy patio]

ooooooohhhhh, its all coming together now

[chrome fog]

Not really, as aside from the simulated copies there is no real connecting factor between these events

Or if there is, it’ll be covered in Echoes going by the way it seems Vex themed

[chrome fog]

And assuming you aren’t making this claim based off of leaks, what is your theory on the finale for the season and what points you towards that conclusion

[jagged badge]

Just leave it alone

[primal mason]

Bro has already said he’s not saying anything to spoil it so idk why you’d reply to a message about the final mission when bros answer would probably be exactly what happens because once you know something, it influences your answers or perspective, even subconsciously

No need to reply to that message from almost an hour ago. Especially as you guys had already moved on in the conversation

[wraith pagoda]

Anyone else recovering from psychic damage hearing Shaxx say "sandbagging"?

And the implication that, in-universe, guardians sandbag in Crucible matches enough to warrent the phrase?

[cursive falcon]

Didn’t saint 14 Kill savathun over and over again?

How and how many times

[rich veldt]

well she has a ghost and i doubt bungie gave a specific amount of times

[cursive falcon]

But how did he single handedly best her over and over again?

And why even

[rich veldt]

cause of what happened with her puppeteering osiris body for nearly a year

[rich veldt]

i mean its saint, one of the strongest guardians, that and all it takes is killing her once then spawn camping

[cursive falcon]

In the lore is my guardian one of the strongest?

[cursive falcon]

Saint 14 Best character

Love him

[rich veldt]

well the player character is certainly above average in lore

[cursive falcon]

But am i one of the strongest?

Like the top 10

[rich veldt]

again, definatley above average. power scalling dumb

[cursive falcon]

Nah my character reigns supreme

1st place definetly

Actually nah

I’d say saint is stronger

Good second place though

But then again

Shaxx exists

And all the class like leaders like zavala and ikora

So 5th

[rich veldt]

like i said, tryna powerscale is dumb

[cursive falcon]

It seems doable but really hard

[chrome fog]

Dammit discord

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-12198388917433403789

[chrome fog]

As Shaxx details in the loretab in which this is detailed in, New Lights generally have a harder time adjusting to resurrection, equating it to feeling sluggish or like coming out of a coma or smth, to which Saint took advantage of this to kill Savathun repeatedly as revenge for possessing Osiris, his lover

[chrome fog]

The exact purpose for which Paracausality exists is to circumvent powerscaling, because in full honesty the way in which Radiolaria serves as a memetic that transforms surrounding material into more Vex would place them as unbeatable, because “killing” them would simply spread them further. Being powerful with Paracausality calls into question your innate and practiced skill as well as the fortitude of your willpower, seeing as mindset is key to channeling each subclass, the Darkness subclasses even more so.

The Guardian - your player character - is not the most powerful, but they are consistently able to overcome steep odds and pull out a success. There is also the fact that we do not shy away from weakening our foes before going to eliminate them, so any of our feats are going to have an asterisk next to them if you want to claim we “did it through sheer power”.

[tawdry wigeon]

Who is xita?

[empty fern]

Worm mother right?

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-the-witch-queen-witch-queen-throne-world-pyramid-gif-25077436

Giant worm powering the unending in Vow

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohh the weapon in rhulks ship

[cursive falcon]

Wait are Osiris and Saint lovers?

[raw hazel]

Yer

[cursive falcon]

My character is goated

[raw hazel]

Rhulk yoinked her when he convinced the wormies to follow the Witness

[cursive falcon]

Maybe not the most powerful but he the goat

[cursive falcon]

Oh look a xita in the florida everglades Yoink

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/petting-aligator-crocodile-gif-25954785

Rhulk when Xita

[cursive falcon]

Yoink

[chrome fog]

Wimp womp

[chrome fog]

They kiss at the end of Plunder

[cursive falcon]

NOOOOOO

SAINT IS MY POOKIE BEAR

[jagged badge]

[neon raft]

Hey random question but has an Exo ever tried to wear a wig?

Just happened to think of that just now

Exo are my favourite part of Destiny lore so I tend to juse zone out and think about them a lot

[jagged badge]

I mean

Maybe

But I’m not sure there’s lore on that

[keen obsidian]

Who is louis

It said both hawthrone and louis light up

[jagged badge]

Her bird

Hawthorne has a bird next to her

[iron mortar]

How many people were on each exodus ship

[iron mortar]

So they are just humans but better in every way

How many people were on the exodus ship that made the awoken

[iron mortar]

Like you get super powers, long life and connection to a baddie

[ember storm]

gross

but anyway it doesn’t really matter

*everyone’s view of destiny is strictly through the lens of an immortal with godlike power, normal awoken are still nothing to you

[iron mortar]

True

[jagged badge]

Dunno about that but I have found the initial number of Awoken in the Distributary

[jagged badge]

Oh wait I forgor you asked this as well and this is what I was looking for the evidence for haha

Two became four, and the four called out, and so the four became eight. In this manner, conjured forth by their doubling, the sleepers did awaken. In time the awoken spilled across the face of the world, and their number was forty thousand eight hundred ninety one.

Here was undertaken the first census, which counted thirty thousand one hundred eleven women, ten thousand two hundred ninety five men, and four hundred eighty five otherwise.

[light stratus]

Can an exo Guardian experience D.E.R or what ever the bad thing for exos is called

[jagged badge]

No

[atomic pulsar]

From my understanding, exos are humans that have been turned into a humanoid robot for some particular reason, I'm pretty sure cayde was turned to an exo over a bet or debt or something, anyways, are exos 100% robot physically?

[jagged badge]

How do you mean?

[atomic pulsar]

Their bodies, are they just 100% robotic? Or is it like one of those sci fi movies where the robots have a human brain or something

[chrome fog]

Full robot, though the consciousness is housed in purified radiolaria - called alkahest - which removes the Vex from the medium and allows a human mind to occupy it

[jagged badge]

There’s no flesh in an Exo

[chrome fog]

Read down a little bit from this message and it should give a pretty succinct explanation what Exos exactly are and why they were developed #📚lore-discussion message

[atomic pulsar]

Ah, okay. Thank you

[tawdry wigeon]

Quick hypoethical question

Yall think when the witness dies, one of the remaining disciples will try to replace him?

[vestal summit]

Most likely.

After all Bungie wouldn't let a perfectly brand new enemy go to waste would it?

[tawdry wigeon]

Or even all of the remaining ones if there are any

[tawdry wigeon]

You think that will be the new saga after the 3 episodes?

[vestal summit]

And some disciples have interpretations of what the final shape might be so they could try reaching that.

[tawdry wigeon]

Exactly my thought. They could be even worse than the witness

[vestal summit]

Hm, I doubt it, I think will see some period of Inactivity from the dread and I hope the episodes will focus on other enemies such as Xivu, Eramis and the Eliksni and whatever else.

[tawdry wigeon]

So trying to achieve tfs by their means it could mess everything up

[tawdry wigeon]

Eramis is still alive?

[vestal summit]

Yeah, she escaped the solar system.

[tawdry wigeon]

Xivu is definitely a future plan

Oh ffs

Damn cockroach

Ig she will return

[vestal summit]

(like all fallen)

[tawdry wigeon]

Either as an enemy or to ask for help if anything is gonna drive them to extinction

[tawdry wigeon]

Exactly. They look like bugs anyway

[jagged badge]

Eramis has gone to find her wife and kids

[vestal summit]

Oh, and some people are theorizing we might go to Lubrae since Eido apparently found the celestial coordinates to it.

[jagged badge]

She’s kinda just done with her whole revenge thing. Her hatred has cost her deeply, and she didn’t want to be a slave to the Witness

So she’s seized a chance to get out

[tawdry wigeon]

She has a family?! Damn ive missed alot

[jagged badge]

Yes

Her partner Athrys and their children

[tawdry wigeon]

New planets? I would love it if they added new areas

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh dang well good thing she left

[vestal summit]

Lubrae is Rhulks home planet, it's most likely devoid of all life since Rhulk blew up one of its suns.

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohh that would be dopeee

What would be the purpose for going there tho?

[vestal summit]

Uuuuh, traveller culture or something?

Lubrae was touched by the traveller, and most likely it was one of the first civilizations to do so.

[tawdry wigeon]

Touched? Like the traveler went there u mean?

[velvet hawk]

We know the precursor, lubrae, then at least nez home world and then hive were blessed, then fallen then use

Blessed not so much for hive but still

[empty fern]

Damn, the first exodus had cloud striders

Wait

Nvm I can’t read

[velvet hawk]

Could be close, we know exudos ships had siva to build on new planets

And cloud striders are humans with nano tech augments

[empty fern]

True

[velvet hawk]

Needed to check on the fallen btw

[tawdry wigeon]

It would have been sick if we got a cloud striders armor set

Missed opportunity

[velvet hawk]

There are only 3 fallen houses right ?

[empty fern]

No

[velvet hawk]

Like currently active ?

[empty fern]

Oh

Uhhhh, dusk, salvation and light, yea think so

[velvet hawk]

Light, dark and judgement bullshit variks is part of

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh its more than 2? My dumbahh thought it was just 2

Im dum

[empty fern]

Understandable

[tawdry wigeon]

Why?

[empty fern]

Fallen houses

[vestal summit]

Is it a house if it only has one member?

[velvet hawk]

My point

[vestal summit]

And also when tf was a house of dark founded?

[tawdry wigeon]

I haven't been too active on fallen lore unfortunately

[velvet hawk]

I'm just trying to consider the structure of all enemies right now

[tawdry wigeon]

Does byf have a lore vid on elliksni?

[empty fern]

Yea

Somewhere

[vestal summit]

Plunder was the last Eliksni season.

[tawdry wigeon]

Like all the houses and stuff?

[vestal summit]

So we didn't get much since then.

[empty fern]

Uhhhhh, maybe?

[tawdry wigeon]

So he definitely has a vid

Alright ill check it out

[velvet hawk]

The eliksni of Riis were a planet with a strong community, then when the whirlwind happened loads of ships divided into houses based on what they valued each with a kell... over time of us... killing them... we were left with leaderless fallen who then formed light and dark houses and or dusk right??

[shadow warren]

Yea the scattered houses formed the house of dusk

Im not sure when house salvation and house of light began

House of light was fairly recent

[empty fern]

Some point between red war and so on

[shadow warren]

House salvation was some time after forsaken right

[velvet hawk]

So the only kells we have are Mithrax, Erimis and Variks... the light the dark and the dusk

[empty fern]

We know of

[shadow warren]

Variks is house judgement

Not dusk

House judgment hasn’t been seen since d1. Idk what happened to them

[velvet hawk]

Bruh that's kinda sad but simple in terms of gameplay and lore

[empty fern]

Have you considered

[jagged badge]

House Dusk are the random purple adorned Fallen we face around various places

[empty fern]

D1

[velvet hawk]

Scorn I know is just under fikral who is under the witness as a leader to create dark ether

[jagged badge]

Nope

Fikrul is not under the Witness

[velvet hawk]

Ehh

[shadow warren]

Some scorn are controlled by the witness directly aren’t they

[jagged badge]

Fikrul is his own leader, and has his own Scorn

[shadow warren]

Not just by fikrul

Ah yes

[empty fern]

Presage and some of wq yea

[jagged badge]

The Witness controls plenty of Scorn, but Fikrul still has his own

[empty fern]

Not sure if caretaker came from witness or not

[velvet hawk]

Well this just means then the witness is gone fikral gonna inherit a decent army

[shadow warren]

Can the witness make her own scorn or did she take some of fikruls

[empty fern]

Oh no

[velvet hawk]

So after final shape the Scorn will have fikral as a leader for the race and barons to command smaller groups

[jagged badge]

She?

[velvet hawk]

The witness is they/them facts, and or gender fluid

[tawdry wigeon]

Are the taken, vex and scorn forces of the witness? Ig cabal are his army still

[velvet hawk]

Oryx btw is the most powerful trans character in fiction

[jagged badge]

It’s referred to by it/its

[empty fern]

Taken yes
Vex kinda no
Scorn sure

[tawdry wigeon]

Scorn sure? How?

Also why kinda no vex?

[chrome fog]

Yes

[velvet hawk]

Don't some sub minds of the vex worship the witness m

[chrome fog]

Sol Divisive and it's a maybe

Not conclusive

[jagged badge]

Bit late there

[velvet hawk]

Or at least the darkness which the witness uses ?

[empty fern]

That’s just one faction of vex, we still have

Many others

[chrome fog]

Whether it's because of mutual benefit or genuine servitude to the Witness is yet to be clarified

[chrome fog]

I did not expect so many newcomers in the time I was gone

Decided to just jump to the bottom with one reply

[empty fern]

Bionic

[velvet hawk]

The vex as a whole is one big hive mind from my pov it's all doing the same thing just different sub minds have different goals for the collective goal

[empty fern]

Look at the image I sent, the cloud one

[chrome fog]

Opo?

Oh ok gimme a minute

[velvet hawk]

With thier time bs you can never get rid of them

[chrome fog]

They don't actually time travel

[tawdry wigeon]

Theres the black garden one, the ig nessus one, or am i spouting nothing rn

[chrome fog]

Sol Divisive still

[empty fern]

I can copy paste holdon

[chrome fog]

This one? It's so pretty

[empty fern]

Sol Collective - Normal Vex
Sol Divisive - Black Heart worshippers and Black Garden Defenders
Hezen Corrective - Elimination of House of Winter on Venus
Hezen Protective - Completion of the Vault of Glass and Endless Steps
Virgo Prohibition - Combatting the Cabal in Meridian Bay and defending Gateway of Black Garden
Sol Imminent - Far Future Vex also the most far future vex we know of and was encountered in vault of glass
Sol Primevil - Furthest vex in the past we know of, taerraformed Mercury into the machine world we know now and encountered within VoG first time
Sol Progeny, Weavers, and the Proxies aren't factions more of enemy groups within the factions

[empty fern]

No the cape

Little further

[tawdry wigeon]

Omg wtf thats a ton

[chrome fog]

Oh idk what that is

[velvet hawk]

The witness as a whole has 3 maybe 4 factions to command

[empty fern]

You can reduce by half since it’s same mind but as offense and defense

[empty fern]

. GAZE AT IT BIONICL, LOOOOOK

[chrome fog]

In fairness most of them is from D1, D2 has almost exclusively been Sol Divisive and its smaller groups dedicated to various tasks

[velvet hawk]

-dread
-taken (taking the will of someone)
-scorn (the ones it creates)
-the clones cabal

[chrome fog]

YEah idk what it's about

[chrome fog]

It doesn't exclusively make Scorn, Fikrul has been making way with his own group, trying to raise them up as an actual civilization

[pseudo karma]

Hello Destiny lovers

[raw hazel]

r u okay nessus?

[pseudo karma]

Can someone tell me

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhh i see okokokokok

[tawdry wigeon]

Got it

[empty fern]

I’m playing D1, take a guess

[vestal summit]

https://youtu.be/nLISxbOAv7c?si=g8XPTuzuEnQQf-0n

Byf made a video about that 4 hours ago.

[raw hazel]

My condolences

[chrome fog]

Cringe

As useful as he is for an easy refresher he's a bit of a knob when regarding his responsibility as a content creator specifically focused on the lore

[velvet hawk]

My view point is this, if we have a destiny 3 the enemies are still gonna be relatively the same if not less fallen and cabal with calus gone

[chrome fog]

Tell you what?

[tawdry wigeon]

Sol imminent and sol primevil are seen where exactly? mercury and europa?

[empty fern]

This

[chrome fog]

They better ask a question with that sus as fuck entrance

[empty fern]

Ghost time

[vestal summit]

Is there any big mysteries going on in destiny currently? Something we still don't know.

[empty fern]

Whatever happens in final shape

[jagged badge]

Plenty

[chrome fog]

What's happening with Taox

[jagged badge]

The Traveler/Veil are still immense mysteries

[chrome fog]

Who or what the Hezen Lords are

[raw hazel]

Where the fuck did the Traveler come from

[chrome fog]

Did that one Precursor that escaped the Witness ritual go anywhere, do anything?

[empty fern]

Whoever the Takanome Rangers are

[chrome fog]

What's the Nine gonna do now?

[vestal summit]

One precursor escaped the witness ritual?

[raw hazel]

Will I ever find my self-esteem?? 😔

[vestal summit]

Find out in the next episode of dragon ball.

[chrome fog]

In the Final Shape Collector's Edition, which you can find transcripts of in the pins, we get a record decoded by Eido that supposedly comes from the race that became the Witness

[chrome fog]

Honestly amazing set up for this punchline 10/10

[empty fern]

Season of the wish really was a dragon and a ball

[raw hazel]

It actually was

[vestal summit]

Yeah, I knew about the records, i didn't read it fully because I'm a lazy pos but I heard about the witness origins, but I didn't know there might possibly be a precursor still around.

[chrome fog]

No worries, haven't gotten around to finish Entelechy but yeah, supposedly at the end, it's revealed that one of that race escaped before the leaders of their race went through with the mass ritualistic suicide that allowed them to form the Witness

[empty fern]

It’s time, gonna binge a random lore book

In game

[vestal summit]

also, did we get any news on Taox or is she still always escaping at the last second?

[versed orbit]

no taox news

afaik

[vestal summit]

Day 1800 of no Taox news.

[versed orbit]

real

bitch is dead as hell

[vestal summit]

I hope not.

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-year-is-it-jumanji-forgotten-gif-15305928

Live footage of us finding Taox

I mean shit

[vestal summit]

I find it extremely funny if she's like a child's cartoon villain where she always escape when the hive defeat her newest crazy plan.

[raw hazel]

If she's still alove unless she's found a way to live forever then she has to have been in stasis for billions of years.

[versed orbit]

inadvertently creates a galaxy destroying civilisation then leaves

[vestal summit]

Not the most crazy thing to do in the destiny universe tbh.

[empty fern]

It’s canon guardians can give people the bird
(Nighthawk lore)

[raw hazel]

tru

[versed orbit]

since she's still krill too

so she would have like 10 years or less to live a natural life

[raw hazel]

Right

If we do find her alive and she's just been in stasis, it'll be a huge shock for her.

[vestal summit]

Yeah but she also saw the rise of multiple traveller blessed civilisations and during the golden age human life span was more than tripled so maybe she could have lasted longer.

[versed orbit]

she might live 30 years instead

[vestal summit]

And what if krill are like reverse dogs and each krill year is like 10 human years or something.

[versed orbit]

she'd be the last krill anyways

since all others were forced to eat worms or die

i reckon she's probably in stasis

who knows

[tawdry wigeon]

I just saw byfs vid on the disciples, and the winterbite one if its true its going to be sick

But nezzy being the successor seems like the strongest possibility

Seeing how strong mf is even after his supposed death

[empty fern]

Question of the day
]
Who’s Karl and Olu

[dim minnow]

Karl is a massive Titan who was hired as a bouncer for a specific bar/tavern

Olu Alderdice is a female guardian known for her inventions like the Mechaneer's Tricksleeves and the Arsenic Lipstick

and this is what I can remember off the top of my head

as for additional details, the establishment Karl is a bouncer for is Seven Stars and Olu (along with her inventions) are banned from there

[chrome fog]

A question for your question: what am I doing in casual 2 vc

[dim minnow]

fortnite?

that's what it looks like

[honest snow]

can warlocks make objects float like the force?

like does that kind of magic exist or something

[chrome fog]

Transformers Devestation

[chrome fog]

You've seen Petra's blade trick, right?

[dim minnow]

psychic stuff is more Awoken territory

not really sure if that ability is tied to the Light specifically

since Awoken are both Light and Dark in balance

I don't really think that Warlocks can just make objects float around

[empty fern]

Ranting

ANOTHER QUESTION time

[dim minnow]

though according to some lore from Weft and Weave, it seems that Strand is the closest thing Destiny has to the Force

[empty fern]

Is triton vice and cryoarachne based on the same creature

[dim minnow]

not the telekinetic aspect though

[honest snow]

why did crow kill the advisor? i keep hearng that at the end of this weeks nightfall strike

[empty fern]

Wittle mistake

[dim minnow]

at the start of Y5, we had Season of the Risen which was about us capturing Lucent Hive lieutenants and scouring their minds for information on their plans

basically, we would sever them from their Light and put them in these tubes in a facility called the Psiorium

then the Psion advisor there would use his psionic abilities to look through these captured Hive's minds to find information

while we are told the process is relatively humane, Crow had many reservations about it

so while we were busy putting an end to the Hive's plans on the Moon, Crow went to the Psiorium to unhook the advisor from the machine since he believed we no longer needed it

however, this resulted in the advisor getting killed in a freak accident (you would think there would be some safety measure for this kind of thing)

so yeah, it was an accident done out of good intentions

@honest snow

[honest snow]

jesus

so now lord saiana or whatever his name is took his place?

that gets talked about too when you finish it

and the iron lord guy does talk to you during the strike

[dim minnow]

kinda but not exactly

so Caiatl was understandably not very happy with Crow

and we were already on thin ice with her since we wiped out a lot of her soldiers at the start of the WQ campaign purely because they were in our way

so she pretty much had Crow marked for death

but before she could go through with it, Saladin intervened offering to take Crow's place in the punishment

Caiatl accepted his offer and decided to force him into her War Council

as Bracus Forge

though Saladin would rise to the rank of Valus pretty quickly

so now he's a high-ranking Cabal military official

[honest snow]

ngl that would be dope if it wasnt the result of someone dying

oh that reminds me, are saladin and shaxx friends?

[shadow crypt]

Did Calus adopt ghaul or raise him

[jagged badge]

Neither

[shadow crypt]

Where did ghaul come from

Or rise from power

[dim minnow]

they were well acquainted, but had a massive falling out after Twilight Gap

Saladin ordered Shaxx and his fireteam to fall back, but he refused and kept fighting resulting in a victory