📚lore-discussion

[ember storm]

forced one of them to become one of his shadows in order for him to not enslave their species

[shadow warren]

I see

[ember storm]

then he just enslaved their species

harbingers are awoken weapons but also kinda sentient? Techeuns have their own they have to bond with

they were the big energy spheres Mara used against oryx’s fleet

and also apparently something to do with the ley lines this season

[tawdry wigeon]

Calus is hella annoying. I used to like him when i started back when calus was in nexus but after years of no info about him and some great character development by making him die by his own greed, it made me dislike him in a good way.

[chrome fog]

Yippee

[tawdry wigeon]

What are ley lines in this game? Ive heard it in other games being like "roots of the tree of the world" but is it the same here?

[ember storm]

so basically, there’s multiple layers to reality

one of these layers is the ascendant realm

very pretty and homey place

the awoken Dreaming City has become intertwined with it so there’s lots of gaps between the two you can cross over but none of it’s really specific

so the awoken created the blind well, which is able to effectively pick and choose where you enter and where you exit

those are ley lines

the problem is that only one of the two has to be in the dreaming city

so, for example, if an enemy managed to capture the ley lines, they could bring an entire army through

so the blind well is very important to keep guarded

hence the public event

[tawdry wigeon]

There are only 2 passageways in the blind well?

[ember storm]

you can pick and choose where they go

so there’s potentially an infinite amount

but it requires you control the blind well

[tawdry wigeon]

I see alright

Im already confused enough with the ascendant realm and how someone can pass through it and create their own "bubble" there so idk if i wanna go too deep into it lmao

[ember storm]

those are throne worlds

[tawdry wigeon]

Like savathuns throne world is like a bubble in the ascendant realm correct?

[ember storm]

through the use of their access to darkness and worms, you can carve out a section of the ascendant realm and claim it as your own

the process is kind of complicated so not just anyone can have one

it’s not like owning stasis gives you a throne world

it’s a specific process that takes a lot of knowledge and inner workings of the hive’s sword logic

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh i see

Oh another thing that i find a bit complicated

The sword logic

[ember storm]

complicated is usually how it goes

in the most basic sense, it’s kill or be killed taken to a zealous degree

give view the concept of life as a competition they have to prove their right to participate in

if you’re killed, you were never worthy of dying

if you’re a survivor, you proved you’re more worthy to exist

at the same time, this is tied to the hive’s tithing system

their leaders (kings, gods, generals, whatever) proved themselves over you, but it’s not a constant gore fest

since they’re more worthy than you, you’re meant to serve them

you do their bidding, fight their fights, give up portions of the spoils

this is a command chain that goes all the way up to the worm gods themselves

so the weakest thrall getting a bit of power has to share it with its superior, which then gets shared, and shaded some more, etc

[tawdry wigeon]

I see okayyyyy hell yea

Xivu is heavily into the sword logic idr but i do remember eris having to prove herself

So thats the sword logic

[ember storm]

Eris had the benefit of not having any worms or gods to pay tribute to

the guardians generating her tribute also had no means of collecting it themselves, so every ounce was transferred directly to her

she then also collected all of Savathun’s billions of years worth of stockpiled tribute

instead of falling into the same cycle of violence, however, Eris used all this power to cut Xivu off from her own, rendering her crippled

now she gets to relax and have tea

[tawdry wigeon]

Ayy i mean idk who can relax when the universe is at stake but sickkkk

Nah thankfully this game's lore is making sense most of the time

[chrome fog]

Adding to the Sword Logic, worms are able to feed off of Death, as in they literally process the ontological concept of something ceasing to exist, something dying

[tawdry wigeon]

Hmmm

[chrome fog]

This is also that same tithe that a Hive is able to take a little bit of to grow on strength as well as tithe to whomever is above them

[tawdry wigeon]

How do they feed off of something that doesn't exist?

[weak prawn]

what do u mean?

[chrome fog]

But it does exist

Being metaphysical does not mean it does not exist, just that it doesn’t follow conventional definitions of existence

[tawdry wigeon]

Okay yeyeye

Got it

[chrome fog]

You have feelings and (ignoring the biology involved) they still exist

[weak prawn]

also after sagera died can osires not use any light ability's now?

[tawdry wigeon]

It exists in non physical ways

[chrome fog]

He cannot, yeah

[tawdry wigeon]

Nope

Thats why he uses strand

Well thats not the reason exactly

He finds it satisfying

Fascinating*

[weak prawn]

then hell was he gona do in light fall then?!

[chrome fog]

He doesn’t necessarily need to be directly involved

Like

[tawdry wigeon]

Strand alone is really strong but he wont be necessarily fighting

He will be like in lf

As a tactician

[chrome fog]

Not all the characters are going to be active in the battle field, they can be consultants who research for us

[tawdry wigeon]

Zavala, ikora, cayde, us

These will be active

Maybe drifter too

Mara

[chrome fog]

Well do we know that?

Actually yeah, because the trailer, my b

Zavala is in that one part

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeap I'm only speaking from what the trailer showed

And mara is my assumption

No way she doesn't fight

There will many that will fight, not just us ofc like that wouldn't make sense

Maybe the harbinger would agree to be used as a weapon

I wanna see drifter in action specifically

I feel like he has the least lore out of the lightbearers

He can wield stasis too

Forgot about that

[weak prawn]

it would be cool to see eris drifter and elsie team up again like in beyond light

[chrome fog]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-a-man-with-no-name

[tawdry wigeon]

It talks about his past right?

How he suffered because of the light and all that

He wanted to die but he couldn't and all that i cant exactly recall much

[chrome fog]

He did not, he was just paranoid

I would give it a read again

[tawdry wigeon]

I will yea tonight

It seems ive forgotten most about him

[raw hazel]

chat is this real

[trim grotto]

no
you've got to wake up, Hally

[cunning stirrup]

do we have any physical (digital?) evidence that the Drifter and Eris Morn have some sort of relationship?

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[jagged badge]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/gloaming-journeyer

Does that count?

[cunning stirrup]

yeah that seems pretty damning

[weak prawn]

did they ever explain what fish ghost was?

[chrome fog]

The pouka? Yea

[jagged badge]

Not a Ghost. It’s a Pouka

It’s some sort of nanotech creature that was invented on Neptune. Elsie found hers abandoned on a remote space station

[trim grotto]

Artificial lifeforms. They're used as... therapy animals.

They communicate through feelings that evoke your own memory

[weak prawn]

aww emotion support fish

[jagged badge]

They’re artificial lifeforms but also can be wild/feral or domesticated right?

[trim grotto]

There's a three part story to Elsie's Pouka
Speed Metal Shell, Quicksilver Storm, and Elsie's LF CE entry.

[weak prawn]

probably explains why they where attached to osires in light fall

[jagged badge]

Seems funky

[trim grotto]

Yes

They're sort of like cyborgs turned wild

[jagged badge]

Would you say Darkness gives them consciousness?

[trim grotto]

Uh, I wouldn't have, but they do seem to perceive Strand.

It's possible, sure

[jagged badge]

I was just wondering considering how lifelike they behave but also their connection to memory

[stiff hull]

are the grimoire's a good read

im considering buying the hardbacks

my brain didnt brain

[trim grotto]

Sure. They're Collections of older existing lore regarding particular overarching topics. Some have a unique piece of lore here and there, too.

[stiff hull]

whats the most interesting one in your opinion

with adhd its hard for me to stay hooked so i wanna binge something

[trim grotto]

Probably the most recent ones but it depends on your interests

[stiff hull]

i mean

something mysterious i guess?

or like

something to do with wars, or weapon lore or something

[weak prawn]

cabal lore might be the right thing

[stiff hull]

and lore about the power of light and darkness, like the lore behind void, solar, arc etc.

[stiff hull]

the cabal must be my fav race ngl

they're interesting

same for taken/fallen

[trim grotto]

The Grimoires don't really go into that too much.

[stiff hull]

nooo

what about taken/fallen and cabal

[weak prawn]

wasn't thier something about the light and darkness chess game?

[stiff hull]

[weak prawn]

i dont hink taken have allot of lore

[stiff hull]

damn it all

which grimoire goes into the cabal

[trim grotto]

Sounds like you're referring to Unveiling

[stiff hull]

sounds interesting

[trim grotto]

The descriptions on the store will explain what they're generally covering

[stiff hull]

what about the taken king

isnt that volume 1

[weak prawn]

sure the hive have ALLOT of lore

[chrome fog]

Ironically the most of Taken lore is in Grimoires

[stiff hull]

Betttt

[stiff hull]

Okay I forgot about them but they’re cool too

[remote sky]

Are those weird little darkness portals we use now even explained why they started forming?

[empty fern]

Alright lore question

Ima need @chrome fog levels of exposition on this one

The caretaker
How long has it been in rhulk pyramid
How long has it been classified as scorn
And (friends theory)
The scorn from rivens wish are based on the caretaker

[trim grotto]

I'm not sure what you mean by the second question
It's a Scorn with an experimental Hive Worm infusion

You'd have to elaborate on the third one

As for the first, it would've only been there since either the Glykon incident or the Light wards broke

[chrome fog]

Mael got all the points

Cause I also dunno all these save for it being an experiment of Rhulk’s where he put a Hive Worm in a Scorn

[trim grotto]

Well, the only successful one. He's done many more; look inside the amber in the Sunken Pyramid.

[empty fern]

[remote sky]

Should I reword this?

[empty fern]

In onslaught?

[remote sky]

In just about anywhere. They're in the throne world, they're in neomuna

Should I get a SS?

[trim grotto]

Presumably the enemy factions make them with their Pyramid tech and/or Darkness and we're just using them.

[remote sky]

No lore?

[trim grotto]

Not explicitly for these specific portals, no. It's environmental storytelling.

[analog torrent]

3 imo

you can get them all for free as pdfs so you can make sure you like them before buying

the dark age part of 2 is peak but the eliksni part is a snoozefest

was like a history textbook

first half of 1 is just the books of sorrow but the books of sorrow are peak
second half is shin malphur before he became the renegade iirc, it's alright

3 is constant peak content
exos, rasputin, cayde, ishtar collective, the brays

I think 1/2/3 have unique content that can only be found in the grimoires but 4/5/6 don't (ex: much of part 4, the brain, which offers an insider's perspective on clovis bray isn't on ishtar collective"

[fading karma]

Why cant some high ranking (for example sigma six) like ikora use a nova bomb and then something like a blade barage?

[analog torrent]

Back to back supers are a thing, I think Ikora has done back to back supers but I'm not familiar with her lore
Here's an example of Osiris doing it: https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/immolant-pt-2
"Solar wings combust from Osiris's back. In each hand, he wields a blade of dawn... Golden echoes split from his body to cut down fleeing Hive and soak reprisals... Osiris extinguishes a blade into his palm to form a singularity of Void and hurls a Nova Bomb that consumes them. With his other blade, he dives. He drives it into the ground, erupting a Well of Radiance surrounded by a phalanx of gilded echoes... Nobles shriek for their Thralls to charge. Bolts of flame and Arc tear through them as Osiris blinks through the Void from one echo to another... He finds a moment, wrenches a hand free, and unleashes the Reach of Chaos. The beam of Arc tears through Xivu's sigil."

So, back to back: dual wielding dawnblades, naruto-esque light clones, nova bomb, well, some solar and arc shit while nova warping, and chaos reach

[fading karma]

thats pretty kewl thanks

@analog torrent

[fast crane]

So for witch keep.
I just got done with it I think.
I left off at the part where I reminded the big bug lady that she became guardian again.

What I'm confused about is she greets us again and says thankyou. I'm unsure if she killed herself or something else killed her.

[dim minnow]

ok, in order to get this part fully, you need to know about Season of the Lost

[trim grotto]

...Witch Queen or Shadowkeep

Sounds like Witch Queen

[fast crane]

Think it was witch queen

[dim minnow]

so before Witch Queen released, there was Season of the Lost where we were forced to help Savathun get rid of her Worm

in the end, we did, but Savathun got away

[fast crane]

Oh

[dim minnow]

the cutscene you saw where she died shows what happened to her right after she got away

so Savathun died for good, but she was then rezzed as a Lightbearer

by a Ghost

[fast crane]

Ye

[dim minnow]

now as for why she thanked us

for starters, when someone gets rezzed for the first time by a Ghost, they will have no memory of their past life

now Savathun was able to figure out who exactly she was quickly (it helped to prepare for this kind of thing), but she had no way of getting her memories back

she knew how to of course, it was just that she couldn't do it herself

she required someone who can use Deepsight (us)

[fast crane]

Hmm makes sense.

[dim minnow]

so she left the Pyramid blade in the Lure (that large ship she parked on Mars at the start of the campaign) in order to start having us chase after important relics and to strengthen our ability to use Deepsight

[fast crane]

Ah I see.

[dim minnow]

so while we were figuring out Savathun's plan and history, we were unknowingly showing this stuff to Savathun

so basically, she is thanking us because we played right into her hand

[fast crane]

Make sense

[dim minnow]

and now she knows her plan and her lore

[fast crane]

So was I supposed to do shadow keep first then witch queen ?

🤔

[dim minnow]

chronologically, Shadowkeep -> Beyond Light -> Witch Queen

though a lot of the important Shadowkeep stuff happened in the seasons of its release year

mainly the event that leads into Beyond Light

[fast crane]

Oh so im just gonna be Hella confused later when I do shadowkeep

[dim minnow]

I think I made a cool summary of the events of all Destiny expansions and seasons so far here

[dim minnow]

eh, probably not

[fast crane]

Ye thankyou

[dim minnow]

@fast crane this is the starting point

you can just keep reading down from there until you reach the point you want to stop at

also worth noting that these are pretty simplified summaries by my standards

[fast crane]

Ye I was bit confused because when I first started shadow keep it told me to go start witch queen.

Wish they sorta fixed that

But thankyou for explanation

🤝

[dreamy patio]

yo um, can someone explain, why tf Savathuns worm just "Comes Back" after i fucking shoot it and it implodes into like, a million pieces

[raw hazel]

Because it deserves it

🔪

Honestly tho? Iunno

[chrome fog]

The descriptor text probably hints at what it is, projections of the worm but not the actual worm itself

[raw hazel]

That would make sense

There’s general precedent for such things

[dim minnow]

there was a giant worm projection when we were doing the exorcism back in the Lost finale

[empty fern]

The mother worm was actually just a projection in vow

The actual mother will be found in heresy

My source is Martian missives

[fresh zephyr]

Is there a head Tormentor?

I hope so

[raw hazel]

Technically Nezarec

As they are based on him

[willow dagger]

Wha- who does Archie belong to??

@trim grotto

[tawdry wigeon]

Quick question. Where is Anastasia bray?

I haven't heard of her since they took out eramis for good

Also is the ship in the moon, nezarecs?

[fresh zephyr]

Yeah, the Moon Pyramid is Nezarec's, and it crashed in the first Collapse. The Eliksni plundered it, and created the relics of Nezarec

[tawdry wigeon]

I never actually noticed that! Thats sick!

We've had nezarec this close to us

Was it when he tried to come destroy earth but he was given the wrong place?

[fresh zephyr]

That's about where my knowledge ends, lol. I know that Savathûn tricked him though, and that lead to his demise.

He carried the Veil on his Pyramid

[jagged badge]

Not sure what you’re referring to by that

[fresh zephyr]

Savathûn decieved the Witness to save the Traveler, yeah, and saved us in the process

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea thats what i meant idk why i said

But didnt nezarec go to earth to also harm it in a way? Idk i might be tripping

[stiff hull]

Oh damn where from

[analog torrent]

@trim grotto this enlightened being requires pdfs of the grimoires 🙏

In the meantime this guy has pdfs of all the lorebooks, including massive one-pdf collections for the shadowkeep-witch queen lorebooks, if you ever wanna read them when offline

https://linktr.ee/Draven37

[atomic pulsar]

In terms of lore, what are respawn restricted zones? Why can a ghost revive someone in a few seconds usually but in these spots it takes 40ish seconds?

[quiet turret]

too much darkness

[jagged badge]

There’s a few theories on this

Darkness restricts the Light and thus restricts the Light’s ability to resurrect

Or a theory tying in to the timeline theory (in which we are bought back based on blueprints from timelines where we did not die) which posits that a Darkness zone is somewhere we face overwhelming odds and there are less to no timelines in which we survive

But also, to an extent, it’s just a gameplay mechanic at times

They are mentioned in lore but I cannot imagine it is entirely 1:1

[atomic pulsar]

I thought it might have been something to do with darkness, but if a ghost revives you, it basically sparks the light in you back up again, correct me if I'm wrong, but if that's the case, when you're on stasis or strand, would it not be creating darkness to an extent? However, like you did just say, the gameplay to lore probably isn't 1:1

[trim grotto]

Rasputin, originally. Now, Anastasia Bray.

[trim grotto]

Technically speaking, all living beings have some sliver of Darkness within them. It is, as Light is, everywhere, in all things.

[ornate bough]

Like the Force

[atomic pulsar]

I was gonna say that lol

[ornate bough]

Sorry

[trim grotto]

Uh, sure. Probably. I didn't get that much into Star Wars.

[atomic pulsar]

For?

[ornate bough]

A character basically said something similar regarding the force, so that’s why I mentioned it

[ember storm]

I mean on a very loose level, strand and the force are similar

[ornate bough]

For Honor

[ember storm]

but how many sci fi/fantasy things have some underlying thing relating to all living things

[atomic pulsar]

Let's start with what doesn't, the list will be shorter

[trim grotto]

I don't recall the original link but I've got the actual files if you want them

[ornate bough]

The Na’vi from Avatar

And that tree

[ember storm]

exactly

[jagged badge]

The lesser Avatar

[ember storm]

it’s just a basic premise so I wouldn’t look to deep into it

at least strand is unique in that you can spawn sentient maggots that explode

[jagged badge]

[ember storm]

on the topic of this, I wouldn’t say it’s so much as the over abundance of darkness, but just the limited reach of light

the two can go hand in hand but they’re not always the same

the traveler cage cut off the traveler’s reach from everything, but that wasn’t creating darkness

there are some places the light just can’t reach so good

[ornate bough]

Darkness is the absence of light

[ember storm]

the basic concept of it, sure

but Darkness is literally a quantifiable force in destint

[atomic pulsar]

Would light being unable to reach stuff be related to distance from the traveller?

[trim grotto]

Not when it comes to paracausality.
Light and Dark work best in a balance. They are natural forces, two sides of the same coin, but an overabundance of one can be an issue.

[trim grotto]

Nothing has thus far suggested so.

Outside of like, early D1

[ornate bough]

The traveler is on earth, and Neptune for instance is millions of miles away

So distance, at least from what we know, isn’t an issue

[trim grotto]

And then there's the other dimensional planes of the Black Garden and Throne World

[jagged badge]

This is a world of full Dark, no sparks

[ember storm]

shocking thought but the nine might not be good people

[atomic pulsar]

Xur is a homie though

[ornate bough]

What does xur look like without his hood

[trim grotto]

darkness zones because i didn't want to type it

[trim grotto]

We've never actually seen that

[atomic pulsar]

Probably like a hunter with one of those cloaks that doesn't have a hood

[ember storm]

I hope he has luscious flowing locks

or more tentacles

probably just a head covered in tentacles

[ornate bough]

A hunter without a cape is like a bird without feathers

[trim grotto]

I will mention that these two theories are not mutually exclusive

They can exist together simultaneously

[ember storm]

I don’t like compromise

it’s me being right, only, or nothing at all

[ornate bough]

Schrödinger’s cat mindset

[ember storm]

cat named schrodinger

[ornate bough]

Also cat named Schrödinger:

[remote sky]

I'm bored and I wanna talk lore but I don't have anything to start with

And yes before someone tries to tell me about the embryo I already know

[trim grotto]

hmmm

[raw hazel]

C o w t h i n g

[remote sky]

Cow thing

[trim grotto]

🐄

[remote sky]

[trim grotto]

The Cow Thing™️!

[raw hazel]

Mael

Tell them about…

The Cowthing…

[remote sky]

the cow thang

[trim grotto]

The Cow Thing™️!!!

I love The Cow Thing

[remote sky]

the cow thing

Huh.

[raw hazel]

same same

[remote sky]

The Cowthing.

[raw hazel]

Yes

The Cowthing™️

[remote sky]

I see.

The Cowthing ™

[trim grotto]

Alright so
This is actually from the same lorebook as the embryo because Seth is Just Kinda Like That™️ when it comes to his writing

[remote sky]

Good ol seth

[trim grotto]

Picture, if you will, a ship in space. The bridge of the most technologically advanced Exodus colony vessel ever launched, cruising through the void of space near the edge of the Sol System.

[remote sky]

I've got the axium or whatver from walle

[trim grotto]

Aboard this bridge is a 19 year old human named Mara Sov, and her ship's captain, Captain Alice Li.

Captain Li offers them tea. Mara cannot imagine the ways in which she is butchering what must be an intricate and meaningful tea ceremony. Li serves some very battered pre-Traveler ceramic sloshing with hot green tea, then immediately adulterates her own cup with milk from the Cow Thing on the biodeck.

"Revolting, isn't it?" She smiles at Mara's bewildered horror.```

Cow Thiiiing

[remote sky]

What is so revolting

[trim grotto]

Milk

In green tea

[remote sky]

Oh wtf

Alice deserves banishment

[jagged badge]

What’s green tea?

[remote sky]

Tea

But green

[jagged badge]

Why would you not have milk in it?

[trim grotto]

tastes atrocious by the way, take my word for it

[trim grotto]

eris no

don't

don't do this to me

[raw hazel]

Eris do it

[remote sky]

Like c'mon I know what it iz
Haven't really tasted it since I'm american + southern so the only tea I've ever really liked is sweet tea (I'm so sorry)

[jagged badge]

Is green tea with leaves?

[trim grotto]

i will remove you from the clan

[ember storm]

[remote sky]

Every tea is leaves

It's leaf juice

But instead of brown

It's gangrene

[jagged badge]

Just answer my question

[trim grotto]

there are dozens of types of tea

made with different leaves or blends

green tea is... what's something you would recognise...

you watch anime right

[remote sky]

Uh company

[ember storm]

green tea sucks

[jagged badge]

No

[chrome fog]

That’s a disease not a color

[trim grotto]

mmm

[remote sky]

Sorry forgot the /s

[trim grotto]

green tea is largely originated in china

wait you watch avatar

eris you goblin

[jagged badge]

That’s not anime

[trim grotto]

it's what uncle iroh makes

[chrome fog]

I just thought it’s funny you described the color as sickly essentially

[blazing wasp]

Is avatar anime? It's not Japanese though

[remote sky]

Tbh kinda is. Super murky. No chance to even see thru it

[trim grotto]

potato potato

[jagged badge]

I did wonder if it was tbh

[trim grotto]

you're such a gremlin

lil grem lady

[jagged badge]

He doesn’t call it green tea though lmao, it’s just tea

[trim grotto]

yes because it's an asian setting

[remote sky]

So what is the cow thing.. is it like
A mini cow?

[chrome fog]

It’s cow thing

Kek

[trim grotto]

what you and i see as tea is Black Tea

it uses different leaves

[ember storm]

it’s a synthetic milk source

[jagged badge]

Ah

[ember storm]

it’s an apparatus that dispenses milk without any need for a real cow

so it’s just called cow thing

[jagged badge]

Speaking of Iroh and tea, did you know Iroh canonically invents boba tea?

[ember storm]

because that’s what it’s there for

[raw hazel]

Amazing

[chrome fog]

I am both curious and put off by the thought of synthesizing dairy milk

[blazing wasp]

Which funny enough took off big time a while after the show

[remote sky]

Icky

Give me my bionicles

[ember storm]

how about doghives

[jagged badge]

Tbf he invents it in the comics, not the show

[ember storm]

Can I offer you a doghive

[jagged badge]

I imagine that was after it was popular irl

[remote sky]

Silence

I don't want

[chrome fog]

My influence GROWS yeeeessss

[ember storm]

hogdive

[remote sky]

that

[ember storm]

what flavor would you like

retriever? border collie?

[remote sky]

Oh naw Ive always liked bionicles they're so good for giant golems in Lego things

[chrome fog]

With fleshy bits : )

[blazing wasp]

Oh

[remote sky]

I wish to study

Pine.. apples

Who would do such a strange combo

[chrome fog]

Though the Bionicle most are familiar with are mainly mechanical, it is all made of their Liquid Metal protodermis

[remote sky]

This is destiny lore not bionicle lore

[chrome fog]

Shsh I am but dispensing tidbits

[ornate bough]

Bionicles are cool

I never really got into the show though

[chrome fog]

That’s because the first time round it didn’t have one and the g2 show was only four episodes on Netflix

[dreamy patio]

um guys, since lighfall is ending (suprisingly this fast). do we know what the fuck the Veil is?

[raw hazel]

We do have a much better idea about it now

TL;DR: It appears to be the Traveler equivalent for the Darkness- An object/entity through which the weave, the web of consciousness that links all living minds, flows through.

[dreamy patio]

so its a darkness traveler

[raw hazel]

Sorta kinda

During the Veil Containment missions, Osiris speculated that Light and Darkness used to be one, singular force. As the Veil and the Traveler share a link, this implies the two used to be a singular entity at one point.

What caused the schism, we don’t know. Some speculate the Veil might be the Winnower, thus indicating that Unveiling may have some semblance on what happened.

In which case that might make the Witness the First Blade then.. Could explain the description of it have a million blades, maybe?

[chrome fog]

Correction on the Weave, it's similar to the Ascendent Plane in that it underlies the physical plane of reality but it is not necessarily sourced nor connected to the Veil; the Veil simply allows us to view the Weave and utilize it as Strand

[raw hazel]

I do believe I heard it being centered on the Veil

But I would have to go digging for iiiiiit

When I have the brainpower

I feel like it was in Wish, when Osiris was doing Veil talk with Mara

[stiff hull]

Sure send them over

[low gyro]

apparently the twid has this snippet

Hidden cipher-sequences buried in the symbols throughout have been decrypted by a pioneering Cryptarch, thanks to countless fireteams keeping the way clear. The solved sequence is believed to be astronomical coordinates to Lubrae. (Probe dispatched… awaiting arrival.)

this is talking about the symbols we read in rhulk pantheon

[jagged badge]

👀

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meter-level-of-concern-level-gif-20351438

But also neat, the Hidden have probes that can go out that far??

[dreamy patio]

aint lubrae like . . . . . destroyed tho

we aint gunna see shit

[ember storm]

new vacation hotspot

[low gyro]

i was wondering that as well

[dreamy patio]

my bretheren in light, there IS no vacation spot

just space

that shit has been blown up long before we were even existing

[ember storm]

what do you think people do in Utah

it’s the novelty of there being nothing

[dreamy patio]

bro FUCK utah, its just Rock, rock and FUCKING ROCK

Petition to Nuke Utah off the face of the earth

[ember storm]

then it’s just going to be full of mutated lizards

[dreamy patio]

That'll make it better

no more boring ass rocks

[smoky rose]

I mean the remains of the planet are still gonna be there

[raw hazel]

Idk, it could be fun to go on a space cruise to see the ruins of Lubrae

[dreamy patio]

and wtf are you going to do on the chared barren asteroids of lubrae

[raw hazel]

Dance on their graves

Maybe have a picnic

[chrome fog]

Take a selfie and say “I was here!”

[raw hazel]

"I went to the ruins of Lubrae, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt"

[ember storm]

Rhulk’s house will miraculously have survived and just be floating in space

we’ll find his hidden diary with a heart padlock and inside will be the key to destroying the witness

[primal horizon]

is there any other mentions of the "paraverse"? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159331740230352956/1240745551264481381/image.png?ex=6647add7&is=66465c57&hm=e7777315dc7bda8c803b7fc7552556625c38c5cf5aa70e859d52f49b9f57d8aa&

or is it exclusive to dares quotes

[raw hazel]

Just Dares

[primal horizon]

hmm, any other mentions of it other than this one quote do you know?

[raw hazel]

Not off the top of my head, I'd have to go look

As far as I know, the Paraverse references the other universes/continuities of Bungie's other/past properties

also sec someone at the door

[primal horizon]

if we take it like that then cabal, vex, hive, taken and eliksni all exist within the other coninuities of like halo, marathon and other universes in destiny, id honestly just take it the same as the definition of paracausal that we had which just meant "between/beyond" causality

so the starhorse draws these treasures and enemies from outside of our reality

[raw hazel]

That's the basic gist of it, yeah

Though as it is, it's only relevance is in Dares

[primal horizon]

yeah but it gives a lot of relevance to our guardian since the statement mentions contestants, which includes our guardian no?

speculation af this is

but

[tired lava]

chat, so Crow could be the leader of the Hunter Vanguard?

And is Cayde capable of killing a Guardian?

[primal horizon]

does that mean that our guardian is also from outside this reality?

[jagged badge]

No

[jagged badge]

Of course

Cayde is an exceptional Guardian

And has absolutely played Crucible before

[primal horizon]

cayde is that guy

hed probs fuck up a guardian without using any weapons if he really needed to

but most likely hed just oneshot with ace

[raw hazel]

It's probably gonna go that way, tbh

Especially with Crow soon to meet Cayde

[primal horizon]

why not when we are also contestants in dares?

[primal horizon]

the way i see it going is crow apologizing, cayde forgiving and ikora giving crow the mantle

[tired lava]

no like, permanently

[primal horizon]

yeah

[tired lava]

[jagged badge]

It’s referring to the enemies. And you’re looking way too hard into a goofy, barely canon gamemode

[tired lava]

hes capable of having paracasual shots?

[jagged badge]

What are you talking about

[tired lava]

I was told in order to kill a ghost you need Paracasual bullets/effect

[primal horizon]

nah i know im looking at it too hard, im just looking into it powerscaling wise thats all 🙂

[jagged badge]

You were told wrong

Ghosts can be killed by conventional fire

[tired lava]

How does one kill a ghost?

[primal horizon]

you tellin me a random fucking scorn had paracausal bullets?

[tired lava]

Conventional? You mean like even normal bullets?

[jagged badge]

That being said, Cayde is a Guardian so can absolutely kill a Ghost easily

[tired lava]

idk man that's what I was told

[jagged badge]

Or a Fallen’s Arc knives

[chrome fog]

Ignoring the fact that that’s banned and will result in some sort of martial punishment, if you can kill some one in crucible, you can probably also wait for their ghost to pop up and then crush them like hive ghosts

[jagged badge]

Well, they did tbf

The Hangman used a Devourer round

[primal horizon]

oh shit really?

damn

[jagged badge]

Yeah

It was intended for Cayde ‘cause it would have killed him without having to kill Sundance

Not the Hangman

The Rifleman

[primal horizon]

yeah

[tired lava]

thanks for info chat

[jagged badge]

But the Rifleman shot Sundance because he was cruel

[primal horizon]

tbh im more interested in how the corridors of time tie into the final shape

[jagged badge]

To make Cayde lose his friend, suffer, then die instead of just dying without really knowing it

[primal horizon]

with our grave and all

makes me think that saint aint gonna be there at the final encounter with the witness since he doesnt mention it

[chrome fog]

No, we are from this reality; the usage of the prefix Para- is meant to be short for “parallel”, for Paracausality we cause phenomena through a “parallel” cause to how they’d normally occur - instead of using fuel and igniter we use Light - and for the Paraverse it is parallel universes to the one we are in now, it’s just Bungie’s fancy word for multiverse

[primal horizon]

(most likely wasnt planned at that time)

[primal horizon]

yeah but since our guardian is "paracausal" then wtf does that mean in terms of causality?

[chrome fog]

Not at all considering the Corridors of Time were inside a Vex simulation and we are entering into the Traveler

[primal horizon]

if we use "parallel" as the prefix

[chrome fog]

Quite literally, just magic

We cause naturally occurring phenomena but outside of the circumstances they would happen in

So instead of a bunch of stardust coalescing together and then collapsing into a Star, we just summon Solar

Paracausality doesn’t equate to us coming from a parallel universe, just that we are able to eschew the natural rules of physics and do whatever, to an extent

[primal horizon]

nah im sayin paracausality means by definition that we would be beyond causality,

[chrome fog]

I

Yeah

I just said that

Causality is just

[primal horizon]

so by that same definition, if we use the "para" prefix

[chrome fog]

Cause and effect, as we’d normally think of

Causality is just normal physics

[primal horizon]

no causality is the cause and effect...

not normal physics

[chrome fog]

And why wouldn’t it be the normal physical processes which cause something to happen?

[primal horizon]

because it wouldnt be physics only, it would be more fundamental than that

[chrome fog]

Physics is the fundamental rules which dictate how existence operates

Like

[primal horizon]

mathematics are more fundamental than physics

logic is more fundamental than mathematics

[chrome fog]

[primal horizon]

by definition

physics is governed by mathematics

[chrome fog]

I’m just gonna

[primal horizon]

and mathematics is governed by logic

[chrome fog]

Say whatever

Causality is physics

[primal horizon]

we can agree to disagree as to not make a huge argument over it 🙂

[chrome fog]

Guess how we develop mathematics. Hint, it involves observing what is possible in the universe

[primal horizon]

do you wanna agree to disagree or wanna continue arguing? 🙂

[chrome fog]

And to the point that mathematics is based on logic, how do you think logic is developed?

What would it be based on?

[primal horizon]

pls answer my question

[shadow crypt]

Are there schools in Destiny

And how old does a person have to be to be a lightbearer

[chrome fog]

Observable patterns of cause and effect that occur in existence. To which, physics is the application of logic and thus mathematics to these observations

[primal horizon]

DO YOU WANNA ARGUE FURTHER OR AGREE TO DISAGREE?

answer the question

instead of babbling on

[chrome fog]

Are you going to listen when someone says Causality is Physics or are you going to keep being contrarian to prove a point?

[primal horizon]

cus im not gonna talk to someone who says "whatever" then proceeds to continue

i asked you a simple question which you have not responded to

ffs

[tawdry wigeon]

Hey who is taox??

[chrome fog]

Led the Helium Drinkers coup against the Osmium Court, was also royal tutor to the Osmium Princesses, technically last remaining proto-hive/Krill, currently floating somewhere in space trapped in some prism or whatever after trying to help a species fight back against the Hive I believe

[chrome fog]

There’s no argument to be made when there is a clear definition of what Causality and Paracausality are in the Destiny universe based on explanations given in the Unveiling lorebook which also correspond to conventional understanding of how Paracausality in both the Light and Darkness operates

[primal horizon]

still no answer to my question

im just gonna end it here

[chrome fog]

I’d like to continue since you’re being childish

[primal horizon]

since you dont wanna respond to my questions at all

🙂

[chrome fog]

I’ve responded twice

Anyways

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohhh so potentially story from that character in the future!

[chrome fog]

Eeeeehhhhh

It’s been years since their mention, but yes there is some potential to explore Taox further should Bungie cover them again

[raw hazel]

it would be neat to see what Taox has been up to..

If she's even alive, tho

Well I guess even if she is dead, it would be interesting to see what she did after Fundament

[chrome fog]

They did the same with Nezarec, who was only mentioned in a Red War exotic warlock helm, then the next time he was mentioned was in Haunted, then again in Plunder where his remains were an important part of the narrative

[tawdry wigeon]

Well what else could the new big saga be about? Vex ig? Cabal maybe?

[chrome fog]

We have no idea ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawdry wigeon]

Aphelions?

[chrome fog]

Eh

Not likely

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea im just hypothesizing its very fun imo

[chrome fog]

We know there’s the Heresy and the Revenant episodes after Final Shape, which look to be Hive and Scorn central narratives, and we are presuming that Echos is going to be Vex themed based on the silhouette and foliage in the background, but no real confirmation what it is

We could get information on the Hezen Lords, as they have similarly been neglected in the lore and maybe they could be developed into actual villains with character that we can directly see ourselves in opposition against instead of the Vex being a sort of sandbag enemy race

[tawdry wigeon]

I would love to see that

Idk destiny has such huge potential for lore i dont want it to end lmao

[chrome fog]

My answer if you took some time to read is that there isn’t an argument to be made because there is clear definition for what physics are as well as how they are paralleled to Paracausality, thus making physics Causality by logical deduction. To again use the example I had provided, Paracausality would be creating a flame without the lighter or anything else, solely when you will it to be

If you would like to ask anyone else who is knowledgable on the definition of lore terms such as Hally Bo, Mael, Dova, Waltz, Eris, or Stasis, then that would most likely be best to reaffirm to you that Causality is Physics and Paracausality is just doing magic

If you want to continue to disagree then fine by me, but regardless of what you accept the lore regards Paracausality in the way that I had described and would most likely be described by any other individuals whom you might ask about the lore from

[eager trout]

Do we know anything about Vex Mythoclast apart from what is said in its lore tab?

[chrome fog]

Don’t believe so? There might be some entries floating about that I haven’t read but it’s still a mystery as to how and why the Vex Mythoclast is the way it is and why it is fitted for human hands

[eager trout]

Apart from that, what else is weird about it?

[tawdry wigeon]

What happened to the psion rebels and talon the shattered?

[shadow warren]

Toldand the shattered?

He was part of the first crotas end fireteam, half of whom were killed

[tawdry wigeon]

Tolan idr from the shattered throne

[shadow warren]

His body is dead but his consciousness lives on in his own ascendant plan because of a hive ritual

Yea toland

[raw hazel]

Toland's still around

[shadow warren]

His ascendant plane is that little white ball

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh he's just there

[shadow warren]

Before he tried to kill crota he was banished from the tower for being a lil too interested in hive magic

[shadow warren]

For gameplay purposes yea

Just gives us some more

[chrome fog]

(That’s about it sorry)

[empty fern]

How poetic

[rich veldt]

i can only assume there would be schools for normal civilians, and theres definatley schools or atleast training programs for lightbearers

[empty fern]

Do weapon foundries count?

[chrome fog]

Shaxx at least runs drills with New Lights on infusing their bullets with Light so they punch a bit more

[chrome fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty fern]

How about

[chrome fog]

Also technically Crucible counts as teaching Guardians

[empty fern]

Uhh what’s their name, the group that tempted us with skimmers

[chrome fog]

Concordat

[rich veldt]

nope doesnt really seem to be a minimum age, iirc shin was a very young kid when he got his ghost

[empty fern]

Worst class in the world for some

[eager trout]

Isn't that just everything Vex?

[chrome fog]

If you can handle sweats, you can probably deal with raid mechanics at a hard difficulty

[rich veldt]

count for what?

[empty fern]

A type of school

[rich veldt]

i mean they probably run apprenticeships or something but foundaries are just companies

[chrome fog]

That is solely from the Vex Mythoclast lore tab; as far as we know, Vex still follow along the normal stream of time but are extremely capable in their simulating abilities to the extent that they can perfectly simulate alternate pasts and futures, though the accuracy of said simulations is muddled by the existence of Paracausality since it lies outside of the Vex’s understanding, and supposedly they have total conception of all levels of physics

[eager trout]

Shaxx as the Crucible teacher be like:
"Take this gun and go out there."
"But what do I do?"
"Survive"

[empty fern]

I see

[chrome fog]

Also if you make it from wherever you are to the Tower, at the very least you have some survival capabilities

[rich veldt]

foundaries are just the destiny equivelants of real world gun/armour manufacturers

[eager trout]

The soap company making fusion rifles:

[chrome fog]

Such as tú, playing as the Guardian and making it all the way from the Cosmodrome to the Last City

[rich veldt]

assuming this questioning if they are a school aswell, no the concordat are just a faction, like dead orbit, fwc and nm

[empty fern]

I see

[eager trout]

Shaw Han:

[rich veldt]

or they were a faction before being kicked out the city

now they just a group

[chrome fog]

In fairness the D1 experience is a bit more impressive with only Ghost there to guide you

[eager trout]

Disney in the year 10567 making Mickey Mouse-themed weapons

What year exactly does Destiny 2 take place in?

[final geyser]

so, lubrae is the next destination?

[chrome fog]

There are orders and groups of various Classes - the Praxics, the Pilgrim Guard and whomever their successor is, the Titan one the Solar hammer was forged by, there are various groups that are likely to take in new Lightbearer recruits and teach them the ropes, but admittedly they’re probably for those that already have their basics established

[rich veldt]

we can only make rohgh guess, bungie dont do confirmed dates

[chrome fog]

Lubrae’s destroyed, Rhulk blew up the star it revolved about and was powered by

[frigid sparrow]

surely bungie wouldn't tease something fucking awesome like visiting a destroyed planet barren of its own sun and jus tnot follow up on it

[chrome fog]

Unclear, as the Golden Age lasted an undetermined amount of time and even though we can somewhat place the duration of the Dark Age between a couple centuries and a millennia, there is also a significant amount of time that the City Age has lasted

[final geyser]

latest TWAB

Foreshadowing is a literary device in whi-

uhg its fonna double aend

[frigid sparrow]

also calling him the "last-known lubraean" instead of just the last

[eager trout]

Where's that from?

[final geyser]

my internet is trash down here

[frigid sparrow]

twid

[final geyser]

latest twab

[jagged badge]

@eager trout

[chrome fog]

We thought Old Manhattan was going to be where Witch Queen took place as similar to the aesthetic of the trailers, the place was somewhat described as a hive-invested swampy area. We also have other destroyed planetary locations such as Riis and Torobatl, and the countless other places destroyed by the Hive and Pyramid forces separately

[final geyser]

called it

double sent

[eager trout]

What is that?

[jagged badge]

Chicago

[final geyser]

sorry, TWID

[jagged badge]

Not Manhattan

[final geyser]

This Week At Bungie

[chrome fog]

Could be just for Pantheon, but also yeah this is pretty damning

[jagged badge]

Manhattan is a nuclear zone

[eager trout]

WHAT'S THAT??

[final geyser]

It's bungie's weekly news article

[eager trout]

Oh

[chrome fog]

This Week in Destiny

[final geyser]

This Week at Bungie/ This Week in Destiny

[frigid sparrow]

I think visiting a planet that faced destruction through natural decimation rather than one destroyed through war would be a very different vibe

[eager trout]

Nothing a Guardian can't handle

[chrome fog]

Blowing up a star is not natural decimation

[eager trout]

I just wanna visit Uranus and Jupiter

Well, every planet in the solar system

[frigid sparrow]

I mean, more natural than just war being brought down

[chrome fog]

He basically blew up a planetary object sized nuclear reactor

[frigid sparrow]

the sun fucking blowing up is still natural in a sense

[eager trout]

Natural decimation accelerated a few hundreds of billion years

[next bobcat]

I want the hazardous propulsion armor to actually have failsafe in it and she berates you every time you die

[chrome fog]

I think she’d be reassuring

She’d be too happy to be negative

[next bobcat]

Can finally move

[frigid sparrow]

she gives you reassurance when you die to an enemy but gets sassy when you die to the architects

[next bobcat]

Lmao

“For a light-bearer, you’re pretty dim…”

[frigid sparrow]

"If I could survive my ship falling into a planet, you can survive a small drop down a cliff"

[chrome fog]

Update from Ishtar collective server: Joxer (rest in pieces) had one, which confirms the existence of multiple Mythoclasts
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ancient-apocalypse-mark

[ember storm]

every single guardian is paracausal

indeed, the term means you’re above causality

it’s not some high and mighty term only a select few have, though

every ghost is paracausal, along with everyone they resurrect

all hive and taken are also paracausal, and scorn

[chrome fog]

Just get a secret second path towards pyromancy/electrokinesis/gyrokinesis (really? That’s what gravity control’s name is?)

Skip the molotovs, the tasers, the… pocket singularity pulling all mass towards itself that you somehow have contained, just snap your fingers and they appear before you

[ember storm]

for the record, there is zero reason for the weapon to exist on a conceptual and logical level

vex have zero need to make a gun fit for human hands, and vex guns aren’t conventional guns in the first place

they’re extensions of vex frames that literally don’t function unless connected to a working vex

it just exists

and there’s an infinite amount of them

the inner workings are also a literal paradox

[chrome fog]

Hello waltz, forgot to say earlier

[ember storm]

hullo

[tawdry wigeon]

Could the vex be the strongest ig race rn?

[chrome fog]

If there were no paracausality, yes

[exotic cloak]

Not Hawthorne

[stiff hull]

Lil off topic but if you could wield any destiny power what would you pick

[tawdry wigeon]

Damn.. btw how were they created like what's their origin?

Do we know?

[chrome fog]

Eeeeeeh kind of but also not really

[raw hazel]

I would probably pick Stasis

it's pretty

cool

🥁

[chrome fog]

An origin is given in Unveiling, but it’s not corroborated with any other entry and Unveiling is unreliable due to how it is from a biased perspective (the Witness, because we get the entries from the Pyramids during Season of Arrivals); we do have Entelechy in the Final Shape Collector’s Edition which might insinuate that the Vex were discovered or created by the Precursors - the Witness species before they all ritualistically sacrificed themselves to become the Witness - but regardless there isn’t much on their origins

[ember storm]

Luis is definitely the final shape

[chrome fog]

All will become bird

[jagged badge]

Louis

[tawdry wigeon]

Waittttt the vex came from the precursors whoa

What a way to connect them all

[chrome fog]

We don’t know for sure

It’s not explicitly stated

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh its a theory

[chrome fog]

There’s some language to imply that yes, they’re talking about the Vex, but it’s not a hard confirmation that yes, the Vex were made by them

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohh okay got it

So the vex are as old as them

Even older maybe

Do we know like very generally how long ago the precursors had the traveler?

[ember storm]

a lot longer than the earth’s existence

[raw hazel]

well

The Dreadnought is older than the solar system

The Hive is older than that

Rhulk's older than the Hive

and the Witness is ?????? however much older than Rhulk so

Stupidly long time ago

[shadow crypt]

Does Failsafe even do anything?

Who is failsafe

[tawdry wigeon]

Brother what

Omg

[gentle geyser]

A victim of the dcv

[raw hazel]

The Witness is OLLLLLLD

imagine like 20 more Ls to emphasize the point

[tawdry wigeon]

Omg thats way too much like ofc the traveler is way older than him right?

Dumb question

Yes it is

[raw hazel]

If that part of Unveiling is true, then it would mean the Traveler is older than the universe

Assuming it's true

But irregardless, the Traveler is the oldest known entity

Quite possibly/probably the oldest period

If not counting the potential entity from when the Traveler and Veil were once one

[stiff hull]

[final geyser]

so, wait- is the flower game a fabrication?

[tawdry wigeon]

If we count that we go even further back

[raw hazel]

[jagged badge]

Unveiling is something given to us by the Witness

[final geyser]

cus as far as we know the winnower doesn't exist right

[raw hazel]

Unveiling was always kind of a propaganda piece, buutuutututt there still remains the possibility some elements might be true

Which just don't know which

[tawdry wigeon]

Yea no way they ending the story by winning against the witness

I need a 2 hour cutscene explaining everything

Not hidden in the books but fully a fully drawn cutscene

Or us going to the past exploring it

[chrome fog]

Nessus is still available

[chrome fog]

Reeeeaaaad

[gentle geyser]

Red war is gone, meaning pretty much most of her screentime is gone

[tawdry wigeon]

One picture is 1000 words!!

[chrome fog]

Main AI for one of the Exodus colony ships, specifically Exodus Black, they crash landed on Nessus and the crew all died or were killed by the Vex present there

[tawdry wigeon]

Sadge.. best planet no joke i love it

[gentle geyser]

nessus is just that planet you go to for a nightfall and xur

[tawdry wigeon]

With the 3rd episode we could see nessus being active again

[tawdry wigeon]

Amd fishing back in season of the deep

[gentle geyser]

You mean the first

[tawdry wigeon]

Is the vex the first one?

If so yea that one

[gentle geyser]

Yes

[tawdry wigeon]

Thats the only episode i care the most tbh

Idk scorn were never my favourites

[chrome fog]

Not even with Fikrul working towards developing them as an actually civilization instead of shambling reanimated Eliksni corpses?

[tawdry wigeon]

That yes

But i dont have enough info to the point where it will make me lock in

Like vex for me are just mysterious

I started back when venus and titan and io was a thing and i never got the dlc so idk the story

All i remember was the amazing vex structures and the huge portal

In venus

And the poor man that was always inside the building vance i think

[willow dagger]

What’s his role in d2? He kinda just showed up

[gentle geyser]

dog.

[raw hazel]

[chrome fog]

He’s been around since D1; explanation who he is:
#📚lore-discussion message

tl;dr big solar system wide defense system AI who was also being developed to have personhood from the Golden Age, lasted until Season of the Seraph where he sacrificed himself for the safety of the Traveler and the Last City

[willow dagger]

Wait so how is he back?

[chrome fog]

He's not

He's dead

If you're seeing or hearing mention of him as if he hasn't passed away, that's probably older content

[willow dagger]

He was just in the tower like not that long ago? His paw prints are there??

[dim minnow]

we should be expecting the Wish finale soon right?

like next week?

[empty fern]

“He has a bunker full of space weapons”
“I live in your backpack”

[dim minnow]

normally something happens two weeks before the end of the season/year

[empty fern]

There’s a finale?

[raw hazel]

There's always a finale

[dim minnow]

if I'm correct, there's still a secret triumph for Wish

[empty fern]

Huh

Wasn’t that due to a bug with reusing prev season triumphs?

[dim minnow]

ok, so looking at Light.gg

well, I'm not really sure if it counts as leak territory

[chrome fog]

Rasputin is not Archie

[willow dagger]

Wha- but I investigated the law prints and it gave me the “where’s Archie?” Quest thing

[empty fern]

Yea

That’s Archie

[raw hazel]

Rasputin is dead

Archie is just the robot dog

Separate characters

[chrome fog]

You were asking about who made Archie, which was Rasputin. Rasputin made Archie but Archie is not Rasputin.

[willow dagger]

Ooohhh ok so Archie’s still alive?!

[chrome fog]

Yes, go do the missions and you'll find him

Follow the quest instructions

[willow dagger]

What do you get from them? Like loot wise

[chrome fog]

the tokens for the Brave arsenal as well as some neat souvenirs

And to reiterate: you asked earlier who made Archie, and we said it was Rasputin. Rasputin had sacrificed himself to protect the Traveler and the Last City and is dead now, but we found Archie, his last creation. Archie has been hanging around near Ada-1 for a good while now, and the can still be found after doing the "Where's Archie?" quests

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-season-of-the-seraph-exo-rasputin-ai-gif-27560477

[raw hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-crying-crying-girl-crying-anime-crying-anime-girl-gif-4473502144398719776

[molten briar]

So Rhulk “entertaining” a fight with us meant when he fought he didn’t take it serious?

So if he would have used full power whatever that is the guardians would have lost?

[empty fern]

Yea

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-rhulk-kick-gif-25067019

[chrome fog]

Him taking the fight seriously is the wipe mechanic

For reference

[molten briar]

Just read his TWAB lore but that’s nuts i guess

But at the same time we weren’t a push over since he died. I hope TFS does not disappoint lore wise.

[remote sky]

Wait wait wait how DID shaxx lose his horn

[tawdry wigeon]

Which season did calus' ship leave nessus?

Season of the opulence?

[dim minnow]

Six Fronts

or Twilight Gap

[remote sky]

..I don't understand

[dim minnow]

but I'm leaning towards Six Fronts

[remote sky]

What is this six fronts

[dim minnow]

it left at the end of Y3

which was the end of Season of Arrivals

[tawdry wigeon]

Ohh and which was the season with the huge taken tree?

[dim minnow]

Six Fronts was an attack the Fallen made on the Last City encampment

Six Fronts refers to the Titan orders who defended the encampment on six different fronts

[remote sky]

Yeah I understand now

Thanks

Now

The twilight gap

[dim minnow]

Twilight Gap was another major battle in which the Fallen tried to attack the Last City

it took place on the Crucible map of the same name

before the battle, several Fallen Houses banded together to launch an assault

there were the Kings, Devils, and Winter

[remote sky]

Fucking fallen

[chrome fog]

Tree of Silver Wings? Also Arrivals

[dim minnow]

the Wolves were supposed to join in too (and would have turned the tide in their favor) had Mara Sov not intervened by destroying the asteroid 3 Ceres (which was their base of operations) starting the Reef War

[tawdry wigeon]

Well that season started the player in a place full of taken and u had to jump to go over to them

Idr exactly how it was cuz back then i only had the main game

So i didnt do the seasonal quests

[chrome fog]

? Defiant maybe? We travel through the Ascendent Plane to free prisoners aboard Pyramid vessels

[tawdry wigeon]

I do remember doing the red war starter quest tho

[tawdry wigeon]

No no it was way back

It was like when nessus had a ton of ppl still

And mercury Io titan and venus was still in the game

Calus' ship was still in the corner iirc

Back when his raid was a thing

Like i played somewhere in between there

Back then f2p was very bad compared to now i remember not being able to do anything

Primaries had ammo

And all that

[dim minnow]

yeah I'm pretty sure it was Arrivals

Y3 was when the game turned F2P

and Taken weren't relevant in Y3 until Arrivals

[chrome fog]

Primary ammo was maybe halfway through BL release year? I think?

[tawdry wigeon]

Probably that since calus' ship was still on nessus

[tawdry wigeon]

When i was playing there was no infinite ammo

You had to pick it up

The white ones

Yea maybe arrivals tbh

Oh i remember something that could help

There was a huge ass hive wizard that we fought in mars

A vanguard mission i believe

That wizard was like a big important name

Idr it now

[chrome fog]

Yeah that’s what I’m referring to

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh right right

[dim minnow]

primaries getting infinite ammo started during Lost

which was the final season of Y4

[tawdry wigeon]

Yeap i was taking a break at that point iirc

[dim minnow]

a shame, Lost was really good

Shattered Realm was great

[tawdry wigeon]

Was it that good? Ppl kept telling me

About it

I got back while risen was ongoing

I love season of the haunted btw

[dim minnow]

Astral Alignment and Shattered Realm were great activities

the finale was also great

[tawdry wigeon]

Well damn i missed out

[dim minnow]

we also got introduced to Kelgorath that season

[tawdry wigeon]

Ill watch the playthrough

[dim minnow]

we killed him three times over the course of it

[tawdry wigeon]

Oh the huge dude

[tawdry wigeon]

He was in witch queen right?

[dim minnow]

no

he's been in Lost, Seraph, and Deep

though Seraph was in Y5 (Witch Queen year)

[tawdry wigeon]

Who was the big dude we fought in witch queen and the one that kept appearing?

[ember storm]

nobody

do you mean Alak Hul the Lightblade?

he’s only killed once in WQ

sure his ghost escapes but that doesn’t mean the strike is repeated (zero dialogue or other references to it like Hallowed Lair), just that he can return later

[trim grotto]

Dog. Friend! Friend dog! Good boy.

[trim grotto]

(yeah that was on you buddy)

[chrome fog]

Nuh-uh

Oh wiat I am dumb

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-gif-4576513125411549651

What a bad misread

[dim minnow]

?

[empty fern]

The lightblade?

[tiny fossil]

Question. Who’s this savathun person? I just started witch queen

[trim grotto]

That's a bit of a tale, my friend. Luckily I've got a cup of tea and I just sat down.

[tiny fossil]

I’ll listen

[trim grotto]

To start with however, what do you know about the Hive?

[tiny fossil]

I know about sword logic and that they come form bugs

We can go into a vc channel and you can explain it there

I’m just not gonna talk cuz it’s late

[trim grotto]

ah sure why not

voice lore time

[tiny fossil]

Join casual 2

[willow dagger]

Orange! My favorite!

[trim grotto]

Blue! Hi blue!

[tiny fossil]

I said that was all I need to know so I left sorry if I sounded rude

[willow dagger]

Orange you should do story time with d2 lore and vc’s! ❤️

[trim grotto]

Fair enough, but there was more to learn about her Nature according to the Worm Gods, her reforming and reconstruction of the Tribute system, and her death and resurrection.

[trim grotto]

That is tempting

[trim grotto]

what kinda story time

[willow dagger]

Idk🤷🏽‍♀️ sometimes I just think

[dreamy patio]

Allright guys, so, do we have any idea what the Third Darkness subclass may be

[trim grotto]

d'you have a favourite topic?

[raw hazel]

Pardon?

[tiny fossil]

I let my cat pick her d2 class and now I created a character for her. She’s a hunter

[willow dagger]

Riven and Taranis love story ❤️

[dreamy patio]

Do. we. know. what. the. 3rd. darkness. subclass. may. BE

[raw hazel]

... What are you talking about?

[tiny fossil]

Cat

That’s the third darkness subclass

[raw hazel]

The only new thing is Prismatic

[trim grotto]

We didn't know what the first two would be.

Also, uh, Final Shape has Prismatic.

[raw hazel]

[trim grotto]

well that's a surefire way to get a ban or warning

[raw hazel]

Fucker

[tiny fossil]

Yeah those are arc abilities with the super changed

Arc melee void grenade healing Gg rift I think

[dreamy patio]

so why is it red then

hm

[willow dagger]

~chants~ Instant ban! Instant ban!

[tiny fossil]

Photoshop? You can change colour

[trim grotto]

Okay I wasn't exactly being subtle earlier
Stop talking about leaks, real or fake or otherwise

[willow dagger]

Instant ban! Instant ban! No appeal! No appeal!

[tiny fossil]

Stasis is not ice right? I got yelled at in lfg for calling it ice 😦

[raw hazel]

Dude

[willow dagger]

[raw hazel]

Calm down

[tiny fossil]

[dreamy patio]

this means something

[raw hazel]

I don't know how you're expecting just barging in here swearing at us

[dull raft]

[willow dagger]

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