📚lore-discussion

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Wdym?

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Wdym

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her lore is really cool!! she was speculated by one of the hidden to be a fusion between a hive worm and a scorn which is really neat if you think about the implications of it. shes dead tho so uh we cant get any more info about her
she was also basically rhulk’s protector for a lot of wormspawn and other entities

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Like

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We uh
Live in a City

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There’s an entire City in front of you when you go into the Tower

It’s massive

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light and dark, some light bearers have also learn to use the dark, we are pinned againts a legion of darkness. is destiny 2 loosly inspired by starwars?

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Can’t miss it

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At full power is the wipe mechanic

Eeeuaaaagh I need to catch up

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I think i have tunnel vision

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like have the creators stated they liked starwars or something

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You very well might

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I don't recall any references to it, no.

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I mean, Star Wars isn’t exactly a unique concept

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But like.. that’s it? No more?

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It's called the Last City for a reason

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Idk

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There’s probably small settlements outside of the city

But nothing major

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Fuck im slow

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ik, i just mean it would be neat

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theres tons of art bungie has made of guardians parading in the last city with lots of kids in it. also, shaxx has an entry/voiceline (dont remember which) about playing dodgeball with some last city kids

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Light and Darkness in Destiny are more nuanced than the Light side and Dark side in Star Wars anyway

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There are small villages outside of it, yes, but they're few and far between. Otherwise there's the Neomuni and Awoken of the Reef.

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Yeahhhhh I missed all of that

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Outside those? The Last City.

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Throwback to when lightbearers were warlords before the last city’s creation

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Star Wars famously draws inspiration from Dune; not to discount its own merits but to illustrate that Destiny very much has a different take on alight and Darkness just like Star Wars has a different approach to Sci-Fi than Dune

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Slay asf cl

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Age old debate of who out of the 3 classes is the strongest lore wise

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I wish we could’ve see more of the nine

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None

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Well it doesn't really work like that

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We still can
It's not like they're dead

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There are noteworthy and powerful Guardians of all classes

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Satisfying answer

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I’m aware, however as final shape draws closer it becomes further and further away that we will see more

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That’s like asking which is the strongest out of Kung Fu, Hapkido, or CQC, when all three are equally effective in the scenarios they are best situated around

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where does devrion live? (the guy in EDZ at the church, i dont know if i got his name right)

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Why?

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And this

Makes sense

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Devrim

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thank you

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I don’t imagine there will be very much focus on then through the whole expansion

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I disagree. After Final Shape we're seeing things like the 227 and Fikrul. Why not the Nine?

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I mean. We could have an episode on the Nine

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Devrim. In the City.

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I didn’t say Final Shape has to focus on them

Future content can though

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Which they’ve done; look at Nezarec

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So who is xur exactly? Does he have a backstory or

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When I say focus I mean like any spotlight on them for even a moment

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And the horse too.

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Well yes kind of

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imagine if we have to fight the god damn space horse after TFS, that would be a twist

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devrim GAY (this is a joke i am lgbtq)

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That does not change what I said

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Well, yeah. I repeat my answrr.

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Well. He is gay.

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Yes I don’t refute your answer

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I’m all ears. I also wanna know about the dates of eternity horse

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He is Marc’s man

[flint ibex]

i wish we got more on him and hawthorne’s relationship as dad and adoptive daughter tbh

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mf looks like he ate the challangers

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They’ve revisited neglected content before, which is what the episodes are meant to allow, a focus on certain narrative through lines much in the same vein as the seasons without as much of a time restriction attached

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I don’t know much about the horse but I know abit about xur

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Go on

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wheres the starhorse funko pop at I gotta put it next to my xur one

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wait hawthorn is his kid? i only knew he had a daughter i didnt know it was her

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Adopted kid, yes.

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Fist fighting Bungie would be some players’ dream, though I imagine that wouldn’t be productive to the health of the game 😉

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He got like nanad by Orin which is why he hunches over, he is Jovian

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Full on broken spine yeah

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He was in a cave on the moon (I think) in the dark

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Xur is just random guy who got selected by the Nine to be their messenger

[flint ibex]

yeah :) it is quite wholesome
relating to the topic of devrim and how hes gay, im ngl d2 has some of the best representation in gaming as of right now

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wait the horse resembles bungie?

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I see

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It is bungi yes

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Dares was released on their 30th anniversary
All the guns reference their old games

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Is there a lore reason why Bungie gave us everything for free?

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Which is why it co-opts Xur’s will for its Dares game show

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BxR is Halo, Wastelander is Marathon, so on

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honse

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...no

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No

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#✨destiny-discussion stopsa

This is lore

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saint is lowkey my fav, dudes a beast and didnt let savathune sleep when he found out what she did to osiris, get yourself a man like saint

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Anywho I must return to work

Ciao

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Ignat

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Au revoir

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Just read dire ahamkara lore
Now I want more, give me as many fourth wall breaks as you can find

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Sav

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I LOVE SAINT SO MUCH I love how protective he is of osiris it is actually genuinely so wholesome and the cutscene between him and osiris at the end of plunder made me cry

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Uhhh

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I think xur is also owned by star horse too

Or he’s employed

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Yes

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Can’t quite remember

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space horse used god powers to unlock our plain
trust me bro my source is i made it the f-ck up

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Just the Nine. Starhorse is basically non canon.

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Starhorse took down the great firewall and liberated us for a temporary period

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Starhorse is probably keeping him alive better than the Nine, they literally made Xur built wrong when they made him their messenger

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Honse is here for funny gameshow, and not much else

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Now enough about the free period

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one thing i thought during that was "does an exos lips feel metalic or rubbery"

like rubber lips or metal lips

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Metallic

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damn

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Metallic 100%

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Human sensation is necessary for their minds not to undergo Dissociative Exomind Rejection (DER) and having their subconscious rip their metallic frame just because it isn’t flesh and blood like it’s used to

[flint ibex]

this got me giggling but yeah prob metallic

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Sometimes I sit back and remember when everyone thought the black garden was inside the traveler and laugh

We were so silly back then

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Could be rubber but also the options presented for customization makes it clear they’re just metal

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DER is one of the most metal things in the lore I cant lie

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Have you heard of the rabbit embryo?

(Not quite metal but equally brutal)

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Der is scary

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yes and I agree that its as brutal but I just think DER is such a cool concept

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Does EVERY AHAMKARA EXOTIC REFER TO THE PLAYER???

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nimbus is non binary right? any other trans/non binary characters in destiny?

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Aye

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who is aye

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Oryx, technically
Micah-10
Stargazer

[flint ibex]

oryx is biologically transgender, he used to be named aurash but changed his name to oryx after they left fundament I believe

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And others that are hinted too I believe

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See the mesa at the black garden, is that infact a geological formation or fauna of some kind because it’s called a mesa but it looks wooden and there’s also the tree roots that basically go all over the shot and the fact from what we can see it’s in the centre

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also the certain number of awoken that were referred to as “other” on that one awoken ship

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Uh Micah-10 is supposedly trans; we get a log from a Micah from Europa, and she’s present later in the timeline as a den mother for lost Ghosts, helping them find their chosen Guardian and protecting them from individuals like Cyrell, the Ghost Hunter

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micah-10 is the transfeminine exo right? the one we learn about from the penguin toys?

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Tree stump

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Is oryx not a transsexual

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"father, i am now your son, we shall do father son things like terrorize the solar system"
"yes son, then we play catch with the ogres"

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Hmmm
Sealed ahamkara grasps gives us two truths and one lie..
Do we know which of those is a lie?

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oryx is the son right?

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Father

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nah crota is oryx’s son

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oh

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but that is funny lolol

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Oryx is the brother of Savathûn and Xivu Arath

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Oryx was a daughter but crota is his son

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Born Aurash, a female proto-Hive

With the King Morph he became Auryx, a male Hive

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The worms done ruined the krill

I’ll never forgive them for that

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About hive, wtf is eris, and are there any "friendly" hive?

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They had such potential

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Eris is human, and no

Eris lost her sight in the Hellmouth so she stole an Acolyte’s eyes to replace her own

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Transgender not transsexual; all three Hive Gods were once Princesses of the Osmium Court prior to their transformation into the Hive Gods, Aurash took the King Morph and became Auryx, and then he killed Akka to gain audience with the “the Deep” (aka the Witness) and learn the power of Taking, retitling himself Oryx, the Taken King

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at most we are neutral with savathun but….. not really
the sword logic prevents most hive from being truly complacent with humanity

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imagine fighting hive lightbearers in the crusibal

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Yeah, but
The eyes
Tho whole season where she becomes hive?

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She learned Hive magics and sought to gain revenge against the Hive and help humanity

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Would love that

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Did oryx not actually change sex though

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A ritual that temporarily transformed her

She gave up/lost that power now

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Just looked it up

Mb

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He did, I said that, but transsexual is in reference to sexual preference; transgender is in reference to transitioning gender

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No it is not

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Transsexual is when you change sexes transgender is when you change gender

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Why?? It was so badass
Also does eris still have a ghost? And why does she love that ahamkara chip so much?

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I don’t think here is the place to go into that but that’s absolutely not what that means

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the ahamkara bone was the bone she wished on to escape the hellmouth after she went to go assassinate crota. its literally the only reason shes alive

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Eris lost her Ghost, Brya, in the Hellmouth centuries ago

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Hence the names

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can awoken grow facial hair?

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Yes

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..how is she alive.

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Fair, but I would like to clarify I was operating under the pretense with homo- and heterosexual as precedent for my understanding

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I thought that at first

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she got that dog in her

built diffrent

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Apologies Eris and anyone else, my b

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She firmed it

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like I said, the ahamkara bone. the rest of her fireteam is dead as fuck though lol

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She’s locked in

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Maybe Hive magic or maybe even Lightless Lightbearers don’t age

Who knows

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hang on, I have something written about eris’s fireteam and how they all died

ill paste it here

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She wished to be immortal? Or did the bone make her immortal

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No

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Way to get out of the Hellmouth, but it took her eyes in exchange

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I think light may actually halt the aging process permanently demonstrated by her

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She then took an acolyte’s eyes

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I mean, two out of five of her fireteam aren’t dead

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Shiiiiiin Malphuuuuur

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Eris be be taking eyes like it’s Naruto

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i find drifter and eris dynamic pretty wholesome, and the comics iv seen people make just warm my heart. someone made artwork of them chilling on a couch watching crucibal

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I see

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They are pretty sweet together

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like the art community of destiny is so goated in my opinion

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Yeah their bond has been awesome to see grow over the years

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I love the concept art for the different original factions

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Oh man have you seen the ghost shell collage in progress?

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From her finding him insufferable to them finding common ground in their experiences and mindsets

To each helping the other grow

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Also I lowkey fw the House of devils

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i love drifter just because he goes "ding" in some intros for gambit, it makes me laugh

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I do not envy that artist in the least, though their color circle art meme of the Destiny cast was amazing

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"ding, ding, dING"

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Would you consider scorn as their own species or would you consider them eliksni

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The Two Lies Two Truths is only applicable to that one activity in Savathun’s Throneworld, if I am not mistaken (I could be)

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true lol but still

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Greta question

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anyways I found it

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Greta?

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I consider them as eliksni personally

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Great

I hate autocorrect

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As they are most likely still genetically eliksni

However visibly they look abit odd

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this event (the great disaster) is what made Eris Morn form her Crota’s End fireteam, in an attempt to assassinate him. Eriana-3, Wei Ning’s lover, was on this fireteam to try to get revenge on Crota. the other members were: Titan Vell Tarlow, Hunter Omar Agah, Warlock Toland the Shattered, Hunter Sai Mota, and as mentioned: Hunter Eris Morn, and Praxic Warlock Eriana-3. (Praxic guardians are in charge of keeping artifacts of Darkness out of average Guardian hands to prevent corruption, im pretty sure)
all of these members died in their journey to kill Crota, except for Eris Morn, who was forced to take the eyes of an acolyte and learn about the very hive magic that slaughtered thousands of Guardians in order to survive.
my memory may be a bit foggy on this, but I believe the other guardians died in these ways: Vell Tarlow was pinned down by hordes of thrall while the Darkblade, Alak Hul, killed him, Omar Agah became the bug that turns into Xenophage, Toland actually surrendered himself to the Deathsong of Ir Yut, and his death allowed his soul to transcend to the ascendant plane. Sai Mota was slain 40 something times by Omnigul before Wormrot managed to completely diminish her light and kill her, and finally Eriana-3 reached Crota’s oversoul throne, but unfortunately fell to Ir Yut’s Deathsong

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Who’s to say Dark Ether hasn’t physiologically transformed them? But also it’s undeniable they derive their existence from Eliksni as they are literally reanimated Eliksni corpses

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i forgot to add the fact she had the ahamkara bone to wish on as well

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Physiology≠genetics

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Fun fact the little orb that he is now is the entirety of his Throneworld

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I meeeaaaaan

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yeee :)

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Genetically they are still most likely eliksni

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i love hive lore. crota’s lore is also soooo metal

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But they could be an entirely new subspecies that can claim identity of their own

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how he used guardian’s ghosts and forged them into blades to slaughter guardians with, even though his sword is so filled with darkness energy he could kill any guardian with a single swing. bro just did that shit for fun

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I would consider them their own house of the eliksni but not a species in their own right

Also i think we should no longer refer to them as the fallen

That term is outdated and not kewl

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baby eliksni are adoribal, hands down they must be protected

imagine a daycare in the last city

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Little potat

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whos the old lady that holds most of the festivities?

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https://tenor.com/view/baby-eliksni-gif-21430785

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Eva Levante

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Eva Levante

DARN

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SPACE GRANDMA

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Also I lowkey want to learn to write in ulurant

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Get snailed nerd

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I’m also curious for what languages develop in the last city like surely a common language would develop between all the remaining humans

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yeah i can see her just having a librarie where she reads all the kids in the last city books

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https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-sad-wah-wahh-cry-gif-9110297

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There’s no way that they all happen to speak English

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boom, headcanon, she asked an eliksni to be a translator for the eliksni kids

or cabal kids, idk if there are cabal children too in the last city

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The preservation of cultural staples like kimchi, burritos, and ramen as well as the variety of decorative design and language used for directory signs would indicate yes

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The cabal did reside on torobatl but I think the destruction of that planet due to the fact they tried fighting a god of war by using overwhelming force rather than battle tactics like morons

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We do have a lore story featuring an Eliksni unfortunately learning the wrong way to greet someone during Splicer, ends with their unfortunate murder

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The Last City is very multicultural so is probably multilingual too

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i found art of baby cabal, might be close enough to what they would look like

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I think in the 500 years since the collapse a common language would’ve developed between the remaining humans

Like a kind of mongrel tongue

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That very story also helps reframe opinion on Stasis usage as I believe Aisha uses it to disperse the crowd about to beat up said Eliksni

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I want to know the lore on that one eliksni in the hall of champions welding with a baby strapped to its shoulder

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It would also either be incredibly complex or incredibly simple

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There’s nothing about new languages to my knowledge

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bring your kid to work day probably

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I don’t see really why there would be

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Have you heard of the Central American deaf kids which developed their own sign language language in like a year if not a few years

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I’d say so considering we see baby Caital get her meat drumstick taken away by fatass Calus in that one cutscene for Lightfall

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I lowkey hate calus cl

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He’s meant to be surface level personable but deep inside insidious

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calus sound alot like my uncle, hes fat and arogant

also greedy

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Does your uncle also happen to be hedonistic

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wut that mean

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If it feels good, it is good

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maybe idk

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A sheer life of endulgment

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He was ~opulent~

(Get what I did?)

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Positively ~cantankerous~

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What’d you do

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i remember a video on someone seeing which raid bosses were marry, kill, and throw into the infinite forest or something

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He was introduced in the Season of Opulence

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riven was a marry

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I would lowkey marry riven

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bard lookin ass

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Nuh-uh

Riven can shapeshift

Or id lowkey marry kalli the corrupted

I can lowkey uncorrupt her 🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥

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what do you think dragons do in dnd

why do you think bards go for the dragons

its connected

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Fine with me, love can transcend physical barriers (with consent and honesty)

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oh i would marry riven if i could too, just making a joke with the bard thing

who do you think i play as in dnd

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I would actually like to formerly change my choice from river to kalli

I could uncorrupt her

Highkey some might say

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Heck I have a biomechanical person franchise in my name wherein love was made noncanonical, yet they found a way to fit in Matau wanting to nest with Nokama

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"i could fix her"

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Deadass

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would savathune be a marry?

shes like 18 feet tall right?

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Savathûn needs wash first

Shhh you didn’t see that

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That one artist - I think Iron Peach - ships one of their guardians with Sav

Anyways

It would be prudent to continue lore discussion

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Also savathûn is a bit old for me anyways

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Speaking of where did Plxgue go

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did we find out why savathune became a light bearer?

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Right

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Because she planned it with Immaru

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I know golgototh lowkey stinks

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The exotic “Edge of” glaives illustrate her plan

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is immaru the ghost that chose her?

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Ye, nasty bugger, mean bean who calls us Neon Nerds

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huh, neat

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Force the wee bits that stick out on his shell really far apart

Like instead of crushing him I’m gonna pull him apart and see what happens

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We treated him with a finisher in the very opening cutscene of Witch

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Shhhhh

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has there been any type of ball or something in the last city, like a dance

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If I have to bring him back just to do that to him I will

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god imagine shaxx in a suit still wearing his helmet

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I estimate well over 10 million balls

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Used to be able to activate music boxes around the Tower

Prior to uuhhh Beyond Light launch

The Hangar had one

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thats alot of balls

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Not even a nick on the amount of balls I have

The sheer amount of volume means they are bigger than Jupiter and their density is similar to that of steel

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imagine osiris and saint just busting it down like total gods and ikora is just looking absolutly flabergasted while eris says "how hard are they dancing i can feel the ground shaking"

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Does bussing it down not mean twerking

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since saint is like a 300 pound metal brick shit house right?

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no it means like breakdancing or something

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More like just busting some moves on the dance floor, not necessarily twerking

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doesnt it?

yee that

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Just groovin

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I’m pretty sure bussing it down is twerking

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i mean, that would be funny

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Mb

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back to lore, does saint name the pigeons he feeds?

was that ever in an entry

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I need one named like pepino

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Would need to consult Ishtar collective but idk myself offhand

Oh also

@stiff hull if you’re still interested in delving deeper into the lore, I would check out the pins for some sources as well as some of these sites (not Destinypedia):

;lore

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D2 Lore Resources
• #📚lore-discussion
• PreviouslyOnDestiny - Catch up on the story of Destiny
• Ishtar Collective - Lore database
• Destinypedia - Lore database
• Destiny Lore Subreddit - Lore compendium
• MyNameIsByf - YouTube channel
• Infograph - Partial timeline at a glance
• Lore Book Guide - Spreadsheet of all lore books

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Ty

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Ishtar Collective has all available in-game lore entries and a curated timeline of events in chronological order, Destiny Lore Vault is a YouTube channel that has recordings of most of not all cutscenes and dialogue available in-game

Byf is generally a good place to find a specific topic to get interested in and he summarizes lore, but I will warn he is long winded and has an issue with claiming his own conclusions without making it clear he is solely theorizing

Destinypedia sometimes cited sources for various topics but it is notorious for not being totally reliable nor always having a citation

Most infamously, Eramis had a different name but someone misheard Baroness for ‘Eramis’ and the name stuck

And of course, just ask us anything here in this channel and we should for the most part be able to help out with any lore questions though that will vary across each individual

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why does or did shaxx hate the drifter

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Does he?

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i remember a short saying he did

i forget why tho

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Probably just Destiny content creator yappening

Especially post-Lightfall release after they all slammed the expansion for being middling, all of them got on the lore train despite not all of them originally being as knowledgeable nor invested in the lore

Doesn’t help that Byf himself - lore daddy of the community who claimed the title after a while - has that nasty habit of presenting his own speculation as the only possible explanation

Like the “helmet stayed on” thing? He was one of the initial perpetuators of the interpretation that Shaxx and Mara had a one night stand when in reality it was the two of them having a moment to mourn Sjur Eido

Took a loretab explicitly clarifying that Mara was in the midst of grieving to clarify that

[cloud gust]

I know where this is, but what is it in reference of?

[chrome fog]

Remember the strike where you start by protecting a Warsat from Eliksni in the Cosmodrome?

[cloud gust]

Yes

Is this in reference to some kind of strat

[chrome fog]

That strike has you enter a bunker

[cloud gust]

Yes I know where it is

[chrome fog]

Go to that bunker door

[jagged badge]

They aren’t asking where it is

They know, as they’ve said

[chrome fog]

Oh wait I’m realizing the question, sorry it’s close to eepy time

Uh no I think it’s just because that’s one of the first strikes you do

[chrome fog]

Eerriiiis I did ooopsie and apologized I am tummy full from good stew

[jagged badge]

A lot of these quest hints seem to be stuff that new players wouldn’t know at all

References to early D2 and even D1 stuff

[cloud gust]

Ok
I wasn’t sure if “sneak past danger” was a reference to an enemy or smth

[jagged badge]

Honestly there could be something to that but I don’t know what

[chrome fog]

There is that hallway in that immediate room after entering the bunker

[jagged badge]

I did remember noting that one of the hints about Archie wanting to find a ship was a hint to the original D1 campaign

[chrome fog]

Off to the left, let’s you pass by the incoming fire and you only have to deal with a couple vandal

Instead of dealing with the walk ways filled with invis reavers

[honest snow]

can animals become lightbearers?

[chrome fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest snow]

gaurdian cow

[jagged badge]

Only humans, Awoken, Exo and Hive have become Lightbearers

Well, and Cabal counting Ghaul

[chrome fog]

Special little Gary

[honest snow]

so was the osiris in curse of osiris savathune?

[chrome fog]

Nope

Sav only because Osiris prior to the events of Hunt, the death of Sagira being weblore

He was grieving her death when Sav possessed him

[cloud gust]

Wait was Sagira’s death not shown in game?

[chrome fog]

Nope

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/immolant-pt-2#osiris

[ember storm]

it was a taken king strike

so not really

[dim minnow]

It was nice that we got to go back into the Dark Forest in this week's Archie quest

If only they played something like Be Brave while fighting through it

[chrome fog]

In D2, never played D1 much

[ember storm]

what makes it an early strike though

is there any quest related to it

[trim grotto]

Gah Dova why
I haven't logged in yet

[chrome fog]

Idk it's just a really common one in the strike playlist so it's likely that new players will run the strike fairly early into their playtime

[trim grotto]

You monster

[chrome fog]

Kek

[trim grotto]

Utter fiend

[dim minnow]

My best guess is that it references how back in D1 that area had higher level enemies hence the danger

[dim minnow]

Sorry, didn't know you were avoiding spoilers for it

[ember storm]

would it not just be referencing the fact you go past Randal’s cave

[dim minnow]

Maybe that as well

[ember storm]

that’s enough danger for new lights

very much danger

[dim minnow]

Well the high level enemies in that area could instakill you if you were too low level

[chrome fog]

I think they just wanted a cool way to reference the Bunker

Actually Alex brought up a good point, was it a strat to get down to that lower cliff level to wait out the enemies that spawned in the warsat defense part?

I can imagine on higher levels that would be a good way to bottleneck them as well as the ledge over the kill plane also being helpful

[dim minnow]

No, the strat was to hide in/under the warsat

[chrome fog]

lol

[dim minnow]

Because the enemies couldn't hurt you

And you had to stay by the warsat since there was a time limit

At least back then there was

[chrome fog]

Hilarious

Anyways I go sleep now enjoy tasty looking sandwich rotating gifs
https://rotatingsandwiches.com/

[ember storm]

you posted a link to a website displaying gifs instead of an actual gif

incredible

[chrome fog]

If you go to the website would you not enjoy gifs of rotating delicious sandwiches?

Also totally stole this from the Ishtar server

Also there is that one gif in the embed

[tired lava]

chat, archie is a dog turned dog exo right

or was archie shrimply a robot to begin with

[next bobcat]

Shrimply

[light stratus]

That makes sense

[raw hazel]

Yeah, it's the only way I could maybe see it. As they pointed out previously, Sloane's Light was what was keeping her from being fully Taken.

[empty fern]

Dog to begin with (you don’t need to end his misery)

[analog torrent]

What do we know about London other than that it somehow survived the Collapse, Achilles burned it down, and Lakshimi was there to see it?

[ember storm]

pretty sure it was Maya’s memories implanted in Lakshmi?

I don’t remember

[trim grotto]

no that was actually Lakshmi

[trim grotto]

Not a ton, though it was a decently sized settlement of survivors.

[ember storm]

I would not be surprised if bladedancer originated there

[jagged badge]

How would Maya have been in London post-Collapse when she was on Neomuna then?

[ember storm]

I don’t know I didn’t remember

in my mind London was during the collapse

[tired lava]

lets be honest

whats the point of living if you cant feel, touch, nor eat

[ember storm]

der in a nutshell

but Archie is literally a robot

doesn’t have any interface to eat food, to my knowledge

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-gun-3d-robo-dog-bark-pet-gif-22175469

He was predicted in the ancient murals

[chrome fog]

Well 1) Archie was just made a robot not actually a dog turned into one , he was built by Rasputin, and 2) Exo technology literally has to account for sensation as when Exos couldn’t feel anything as they could in their human body, they ripped themselves apart

[tired lava]

im confused

so which one is it

dog turned to exo

or just robot to begin with

[chrome fog]

Robot

Nexus is being silly Billy

[outer dragon]

Is Toland's VA still alive or just blacklisted by Bungoi? The fact he wasn't part of Witch was a travesty

[ember storm]

what happened

I mean if they actually cared about toland they’d just recast, they’ve had zero issue on that regardless of circumstance

pretty sure he had a different va in D1 anyway

[empty fern]

Wha

[empty fern]

Have you heard d1 osiris? Holy shit, he sounds so much more, monotone

[ember storm]

we hear dialogue?

when

[velvet flax]

we don't im very sure

Osiris didn't appear until Curse of Osiris

[ember storm]

are you talking about Vance

because Vance has very different performances in both games

[empty fern]

Shrine of oryx

D1 mission

[ember storm]

what about it

[empty fern]

That’s where his line is

The one we hear

[ember storm]

play it

[empty fern]

Wha

Ok holdon

https://youtu.be/jTiRlrp9hkg?si=5p3AFbJk0JWz81Fx

Ghost is different but it should be the same

[raw hazel]

I remember thisssssss

Ah, Dinklebot

So, wooden and stilted

[ember storm]

it’s in the walls

[raw hazel]

I miss the old sound design

[ember storm]

I don’t miss the radio sound playing after every single line of dialogue

[chrome fog]

Archie was a robot to begin with, not a dog

[empty fern]

Oh

[fiery copper]

I buy into the Jez theory that they added the scifi noises in post because the voice acting got torn to shreds by critics in the beta, and they couldn't re-record the entire game in time for the game's full release.

[raw hazel]

I could see that tbh

[fiery copper]

Proof:

• the beta voice lines didn't have scifi noises
• the beta voice lines got absolutely railed by critics
• the launch voice lines are the same takes as in the beta, but now with added bleepbloop layered on top.
• every single other piece of sound design on launch was the exact same as in the beta, the only changes were bloopifying the VAs.

[raw hazel]

Da bloopification..

[fiery copper]

https://tenor.com/view/oryx-the-taken-king-gif-26490909

I WILL BLOOP THEM ALL

[dreamy patio]

why the fuck is there a horse

[raw hazel]

Why not?

[dreamy patio]

but there like, a ancient alien race, wayyy older than us, how do they have something that comes from our world

[fiery copper]

[rich veldt]

cause HORSE

[chrome fog]

Who knows, their god is also a horse

[raw hazel]

The true Final Shape™️...

[dreamy patio]

fr? on skibidi

[chrome fog]

Starhonse

https://tenor.com/view/horse-destiny2-bungie-30th-anniversary-drifter-gif-24001545

[dreamy patio]

uh aint that thing tho like, just a thingiembob xur made JUST for his gameshow?

[chrome fog]

Xur ain't got a will of his own

Quite literally

[dreamy patio]

so then what the fuck is this horse then

if it aint made by xur

what could it be?

[chrome fog]

Made wrong by the Nine from some random human colonist past the Asteroid Belt (which by the way Jovian just means that, stuff beyond the asteroid belt which divides the solid planets from the gas giants), quite literally dissolving slowly and also his back broken by Orin (which is why he hunches in D2), Xur ain't got nothing of his own

[chrome fog]

Bungie

[dreamy patio]

nah, it cant be

[chrome fog]

Opened a dimensional space referencing all their old work?

[dreamy patio]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[chrome fog]

Brings in enemies and loot from both Destiny and the company's past?

[dreamy patio]

godamnit bungie, why did you have to break the 4th wall

i fucking hate that

fuck dumbass 4th wall breaking bullshit, it ruins my imersion, and makes the lore just silly and busteted

people said the star-horse is the minower or whtvr that thing is called, 1st of all, wasn't that lore tab like, a bunch of canned scrapped lore for the origional light and dark orchestrators?

[ember storm]

the winnower isn’t scrapped

the lore book it’s from literally prefaces with saying it’s a metaphor

people who take Starhorse seriously were just setting themselves up for disappointment

it was an extra content pack developed just because witch queen was delayed

it’s not specifically breaking the fourth wall, either

[dreamy patio]

ok thank god

i was losing my shit for a fat minute

[ember storm]

it just established all the bungie ips are in this collection of multiverses that sometimes overlap

which has just been a thing for years now

Mida multi tool is literally from marathon

the lorebook talks about Shaxx debating whether or not he should ban weapons from separate universes

he decided on no

[dreamy patio]

i mean it still doesnt make any sense tho, if that was the case, wouldn't forces like the starhorse STRAIGHT UP bring master chief into the destiny universe

or etc

[ember storm]

no because that’s not what it cares for

it just wants to be entertained watching our best moments on repeat

[dreamy patio]

well alr, fair fair, but like what if some sort of nine force, idk which one, but a NINE entity does that

[ember storm]

and it gets us to do this by rewarding us with things we’ve never had

[ember storm]

it’s not

it literally just invaded the nine space and kidnapped xur to participate

they’ve never referenced it and for all we know they can’t do anything about it

the nine are just a bunch of sentient space dust

they’re not some omniscient group of watchers

they have zero control over anything important

[dreamy patio]

holy shit fr?

i thought they were

[ember storm]

they have their own little pocket dimension and that’s it

[dreamy patio]

with that wierd giant womman thing in the prophecy dungeon

[ember storm]

at best they can like, screw with some electronics

[ember storm]

that’s the emissary

she’s employed by the nine, like xur

and that was just a vision thing

she’s just human size

[dreamy patio]

oh

so like if thats the case, what caused variks to do the whole prison of elders breakout, it was said that a Agent of the nine persuaded him to do it, right?

[ember storm]

I think you’re confusing Skolas’ escape and the forsaken breakout

Variks just come to the conclusion of abandoning his post for the sake of the Eliksni future

[dreamy patio]

ah shit, well either one

[ember storm]

he never wanted anything to break out

he just needed some fights as cover to escape

[dreamy patio]

godamnit then, i'm being told a shitload of Missinformation then

[ember storm]

way earlier than this, the awoken captured Skolas, the winter Kell, and gifted him over to the nine as some kind of bargaining chip

to which the nine just went and released him behind her back

they just wanted to get close to guardians because they were curious, and the house of wolves resurfacing forced Mara to call them to their aid (hence the dlc)

[chrome fog]

Mald baby

[dreamy patio]

[jagged badge]

I’m inclined to agree tbh, it’s not my cup of tea

[chrome fog]

Literally the least offensive usage of the 4th wall break in a fictional setting

And in a canonically noncanonical setting

[dreamy patio]

thats why i get annoyed at things like, deadpool

[jagged badge]

Oh is this about Dares?

Dares I can ignore

I don’t like the idea of Savathûn trying to reach our dimension or whatever, or Ahamkara being aware of the player and the game or whatever

That’s what I find meh

Dares is fun

[dreamy patio]

the ONLY time i didn't get angry at that, would be "Sunset Overdrive" and even then that made more sense due to it being like, comic book metacomedy shit

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/applejack-mlp-eyebrow-raise-really-excuse-me-gif-9387552033153383886

[ember storm]

I still haven’t read it that closely

I just viewed it as the same thing Savathun was doing in WQ

[dreamy patio]

dont you EVER, react me with a MLP gif

[ember storm]

removing herself from the “game” and ascending above it all

then again it has been two years

[dreamy patio]

i mean that makes more sense, she shouldn't have said game tho

unless she means like "the game of life"

[ember storm]

game has been an established term in destiny referring to light/dark conflict

[chrome fog]

Very funny you mention that when for the most part, that's what the better characterizations of Deadpool are meant to be, in that he recognizes his existence is constructed and he is a comic book character, and the 616 him literally kills his "Kills the Marvel Universe/Ideaverse" version of himself because that's not entirely important to his character, the comedy is meant to be a deliberate cover for his deeply seated dispair

[ember storm]

the witness itself popularized it

the nine, being outsiders to it, have also called it that

I remember back in the early Shadowkeep days when the community had a panic attack over the nine’s warning of gambit being “the game” and drifter mentioning the word salvation, only for GoS to have gambit mechanics

[dreamy patio]

i think i said my thing incorectly, "Sunset Overdrive" is a Video-Game, it is styled on punk-rock and comic book aesthetics, it has parts where characters break the fourth wall comedicaly for tutorials and witty dialouge, not constant refferences to the 4th wall

my friend absolutley loves the game, and is pissed off that its not getting a sequel

as the people who made Sunset overdrive i think also made some of the Marvel games

and after he glimpsed at the game companies Release calendar, and ONLY seeing marvel games, he fucking LOST it

so um yea, me and my friend have some beef with marvel for the fact they fucked over a franchize my friend liked for more garbage marvel games

[chrome fog]

Then it’s a misdirect at Deadpool specifically when it’s moreso an issue with Marvel as a publisher

[dreamy patio]

honestly yea, fuck marvel, them fucks at sony can't make shit

they fr bought bungie, said "Make better content", give them absolutley ZERO time to do that, fire like a shitload of employees, threw bungie out like a homless dog, and then proceeded to make "Madame web"

so its more of a hatred towards Marvel and Sony combined

[ember storm]

I think all video game companies suck in some capacity

some are just more cartoonishly evil and stupid than others

[dreamy patio]

probably, but Sony takes the cake

[ember storm]

eh, at least they rescinded that helldivers thing

[dreamy patio]

and yet they refuse to put it on xbox

[ember storm]

Xbox laid off a studio that gave them their first smash hit award winner in like decades

but hey more fo76 items!!!

[dreamy patio]

that smash hit being?

[ember storm]

hifi rush

[chrome fog]

Anyways we might want to draw back to lore, but Bungie’s 4th wall breaks are less there just because and more in service to the narratives they want to explore

[chrome fog]

Starhorse being Bungie is just because of how it quite literally opened up us to the Paraverse

[dreamy patio]

your um, being funny, right?

[chrome fog]

Imagine making a game in total sync with its music all the way through

[ember storm]

afaik Starhorse has zero direct connection to bungie, just the paraverse stuff

[chrome fog]

I’d say that’s impressive and warrants the attention that game has

[ember storm]

it’s 100% just because they had a cosmic horse in an old cutscene that was never elaborated on so they just went “fuck it”

[spring ibex]

Hi community, I just got back to Destiny after 2 years and would like to do some new raids or difficult missions, of anyone can help me I'd appreciate it

[trim grotto]

Dares released as their 30th anniversary. The guns reference old bungie games, such as Wastelander and Marathon. It has collectable skulls with references old bungie games. It has a map that's a direct lift from Halo.

[trim grotto]

This is a lore channel.

We talk about story and stuff here.

[spring ibex]

my bad

[ember storm]

we talk about rabbit embryos here

[dreamy patio]

theres allready a game that does that

hell something i cant remember

[ember storm]

that doesn’t really count

that’s like a 30 minute long top down puzzle game

[dreamy patio]

no no no not that

um

its was like

[ember storm]

anyway

[dreamy patio]

a doom-shooter, where you need to like, sync with music

[ember storm]

mael tell me what the grimoire have been

[trim grotto]

Anyway the point is, Dares is essentially non canon in many regards. You can safely ignore it existing.

[ember storm]

I haven’t read any of them

[trim grotto]

No time
Got to go to work now

[ember storm]

you failed me

[remote sky]

Wait did the witness taking the planets remove the traveller's terraforming?

[ember storm]

traveler and light cultivate life

Darkness reduces and kills

so, basically

can’t really kill changes to gravity though

so even though mars and Mercury are barren and lifeless, gravity is still a-okay and earth type

[chrome fog]

Metal Hellsinger

And it’s an fps, Hi-Fi is a character action game, and to which both are a fairly niche genre of video game in which the rhythmic element is intrinsically tied into different game mechanics

Crypt of the Necrodancer is another example as well as their Zelda title which does the same thing

[chrome fog]

No worries, #✨destiny-discussion or #❓destiny-questions might be more up your alley, there are people there that can help your questions (we also have an lfg channel #looking-for-group )

[spiral crane]

Goated game

[chrome fog]

Rhythmic non-rhythm games are very neat

[fiery copper]

Tf you mean, crypt is 100% a rhythm game

[violet hinge]

do we know why nezarec has a shackle on one of his feet?

[chrome fog]

But it's more than just guitar hero, you're also schmoovin around and doing attacks

[fiery copper]

I see it like Osu

[fiery copper]

Fashion statement

(I do not think we have an exact reason)

[violet hinge]

ok

[stiff hull]

What’s the lore behind crucible? Does it even have any lore

Like why is it okay for guardians to kill each other competitively lol

[fresh zephyr]

It's a sport!

[stiff hull]

So it’s actually part of the lore?

[fresh zephyr]

Guardians can revive themselves, it's no biggie for them to be killed

Yes

It has tons of lore, really

[stiff hull]

Damn they chilling

[fresh zephyr]

Down to how the maps come to be

Its pretty detailed

[stiff hull]

“So saint 14 shot my face off with a shotgun the other day”

[fresh zephyr]

Exactly

Pretty much how it goes

[stiff hull]

Lmao

[fresh zephyr]

Canonically Ikora is a total monster in the crucible

[stiff hull]

Oh yeah the maps too

I guess they just use places they discovered or something?

[stiff hull]

I can see her disintegrating random guardians and setting them on fire

[fresh zephyr]

The robots you see in the Onslaught are deployed into these areas and cleared of any threats before being turned into Crucible arenas

[stiff hull]

Ohh

That makes a lot of sense

So much sense I feel dumb for not noticing

[fresh zephyr]

Lol

[stiff hull]

Weapons have their lore too right?

[fresh zephyr]

Yep

[stiff hull]

Whats the most interesting one

[fresh zephyr]

I was actually typing up a message about the Mythoclast's lore

thorn's lore is a great read

[stiff hull]

Whisper of the worm interests me

[fresh zephyr]

that one's great too

[stiff hull]

And lament

[fresh zephyr]

Yus

Exotic armor has its lore too

[stiff hull]

Is there a website or anything where I can read it without being in-game

[fresh zephyr]

Let me grab u a link

[stiff hull]

That’s cool

Ty

[fresh zephyr]

www.ishtar-collective.net

[stiff hull]

thanks I’ll check it out

[fresh zephyr]

I was looking into the description of the Vex Mythoclast recently. In particular, the line that says it's "strangely fit for human hands." What are your personal theories as to why it fits us humans so well? I saw somebody say the Vex may have created the weapon for us as an ackwnoledgement of their defeat in the Vault of Glass, hoping we would use it against our mutual enemies. I found that theory pretty cool and interesting, but what do some other lore fans think? :)

[fresh zephyr]

That website has every lore entry from D1 to D2 I believe

All the grimoire cards and shit

[stiff hull]

Yeah I’m going through it now and damn it’s got everything

[fresh zephyr]

It's awesome

[stiff hull]

Gonna be a nice binge read

Ty for that

[fresh zephyr]

Enjoy!

[stiff hull]

Where does the whisper of the worm lore actually start

There are so many categories and sub-categories

[fresh zephyr]

Hmm, I'm not sure..

iirc, the youtuber My Name is Byf has a video on Whsiper

where he goes into the lore of the mission and stuff

as well as additional context

[stiff hull]

Ah okay

[fresh zephyr]

as for specific grimoire cards, i could not tell ya

[stiff hull]

I just wanna know where to start reading

It’s okay I’ll find out somehow

[trim grotto]

With the Warmind DLC, technically.

Or arguably the Books of Sorrow

I'd love to help but I'm at work I'm afraid
I'm free for chatting for the whole weekend starting tomorrow though

[chrome fog]

That was until prior to the end of Arrivals, there is some evidence in the lore that some locations which don't make sense for us to access are simulated, just like Trials (I don't have the exact entry Mael or Dova or Waltz will have to find it)

[fresh zephyr]

Thats a bit more lame

[chrome fog]

I mean some places were Taken during Arrivals, so it's not like the Redjacks were going to be able to go to those places to clear em out

[chrome fog]

#📚lore-discussion message

[shadow crypt]

So is the crucible like a sport basically?

[chrome fog]

Yes

[shadow crypt]

and are the maps simulations?

[chrome fog]

Weapon foundaries have sponsorships too

[jagged badge]

Not always

Redjacks secure zones for it to be all live fire

[chrome fog]

Originally and what used to be the case is what Syd and Eris said, areas cleared for the live fire trials

[jagged badge]

Shaxx explicitly mentions in this new update that he made a deal with the Neomuni to actually use a mall on Neptune for an arena

[shadow crypt]

Oh ok

[jagged badge]

And once a foundry tried to entice Shaxx to rig games for them to make their stuff look good

Was it Tex?

[chrome fog]

I was gonna ask

[fresh zephyr]

Think it was Tex

[trim grotto]

It was

[fresh zephyr]

(Replying to this now that we have some more activity in here)

:)

[chrome fog]

I think Dova or someone else went over it long time ago what their theory was

[trim grotto]

I've considered that it may have been influenced by either Praedyth or Kabr

[fresh zephyr]

That could be

[chrome fog]

Maybe some of the 227 since they too were exploring the Vault

[fresh zephyr]

The 227?

[trim grotto]

227 copies of the Ishtar team (e.g. Maya and Chioma Esi) simulated by a Vex unit and freed by Rasputin, sent into the Vex Network

[fresh zephyr]

I see

[trim grotto]

Also hinted as what that first Episode is about

Thanks Starcrossed

[remote sky]

Hang on, what even IS the curse they put on the dreaming city

[gentle geyser]

Basically taken

[remote sky]

Then what's all this corsair stuff? It seems like they're in a loop, and they know it?

[chrome fog]

The loop

[remote sky]

Ahuh

[chrome fog]

The curse is the 3 week time loop they are perpetually stuck in

[remote sky]

And they KNOW they're in this loop? So is it a sort of bites the dust thing? Like no matter what, the same thing will occur?

[chrome fog]

In the Shattered Throne dungeon we believed that the end boss, I believe they’re Savathun’s daughters, were the ones maintaining the curse but they are just overseeing it; we have found no way to break the curse nor how to get anyone out of it

[remote sky]

Damn why we keep killing god kids

Well, I mean, I understand crota, but still

[gentle geyser]

“They started it!”

[remote sky]

So what do we know about the curse? Am I right?

[trim grotto]

Yes to both

They know they're in the loop but they cannot help themselves from preforming the same actions

Nevertheless if someone were to remove them from the loop then the Hive would succeed and steal their secrets
It's a lose lose

[tranquil gorge]

out if curiosity, lore friends, could a hive lightbearer, or otherwise paracausal hive become an exo?

[raw hazel]

hmmmmm (shorter this time)

I can’t feasibly see why not, as it’s just a matter of copying over a brainscan but

The og would likely still exist, as even if the procedure kills them their Ghost could just revive them

So now you just have an Exo copy running around alongside them

[tranquil gorge]

I wonder if they could get a ghost of their own then, given how traditional guardians work

I guess the worms might pose an issue as a source of power, though

[gentle geyser]

I mean, there isn’t a way to make new exos if Im not mistaken

But we have seen Atraks become one in the deep stone crypt

So its possible but probably not for a lightbearer

[raw hazel]

Yeah, continuing this thought experiment, if that Exo copy dies then conceivably a Ghost could come around to revive them, which would make things even weirder- Though even then, as the copy is a blank slate even post-Exoification, they're still inherently their own individual from there if they can't get the memories uploaded.

And yeah, dunno how the worm would figure into that. Though still, when you give a regular Hive then they still stay dead unless otherwise brought back.

And Hive Lightbearers don't have worms themselves.

[tranquil gorge]

..was there any overlap between the hives return and the golden age? I don't think so?

[gentle geyser]

Still doesn’t mean it happened

It could potentially work, potentially

[tranquil gorge]

yeah it definitely didn't I was just curious what lore ppl thought of the concept

[raw hazel]

There's nothing to say it's not possible.

[gentle geyser]

Even then paracausal would probably not work alongside it

[raw hazel]

Imo, at least.

Could make for interesting side story or entry.

[tranquil gorge]

i gotta do dsc this week since it's farmable, such a cool lore raid

[raw hazel]

One day I need to do that raid, but the DSC, Exos, etc have always been my favorite lorebits. First character I made was even an Exo. Have you read Clovis Bray's Logbook by chance, Ram?

[remote sky]

Gimme the scoop on this taniks guy, why won't he die?

[gentle geyser]

Too angry

Just keeps getting revived

[remote sky]

Is that really all he's attacking us for? We pissed him off?

[dim minnow]

his body is mostly machine

and Taniks was originally motivated by the thrill of the hunt

though in DSC, he's motivated by vengeful rage

[trim grotto]

i live

feed me lore questions

[sharp osprey]

is savathun's throne world in orbit around mars or something? cuz in the witch queen's first mission we go through the portal, but every time after that we just kind of fly there i guess.

[trim grotto]

It's still in the Ascendant Plane, which is another dimension. We actually have no idea how our Jumpship gets in, since we don't know of any other portals, and it was never explained.

Maybe the Lure has, like, a bigger portal on it.

[sharp osprey]

i mean after you do an activity in the throne world you are literally orbiting it with your ship, so maybe there's something in space around Mars that lets us access it. kind of weird it isnt explained, but i guess its not really that important after all.

[sage lion]

What's the deal with the bray family are they all time travellers?

[sharp osprey]

Elsie is stuck in a time loop and Ana did research on her original self iirc

[blazing wasp]

I'm not particularly well versed on the family but only Elsie bray is stuck in a time loop.

[sage lion]

Huh

[blazing wasp]

During the dark future where eris presumably detonated the fucking traveler using some darkness magic, she got stuck in a time loop which I believe begins right after cayde kills taniks

[trim grotto]

Clovis Bray('s company) did have a timeline hopping device derived from Vex tech, but no, only Elsie Bray is stuck in a timeloop. Trapped, I should say. She cannot control it.

Elsie has experienced literally countless "dark futures" and cannot remember them all clearly

[blazing wasp]

Every time Elsie dies or the traveler dies I believe the loop resets?

[trim grotto]

And that was not the first

[sage lion]

Isn't she an exo though

[sharp osprey]

Is there a lore reason why Elsie Bray has had three different voices?

[trim grotto]

We do not actually know

[sage lion]

Doesn't her memory need resetting

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[trim grotto]

No.

[sage lion]

Huh

[trim grotto]

Different accents. I can relate, I do the same thing.

[blazing wasp]

She's a special made exo

[sage lion]

Wowzers

So she was there for D1 i Presume

[blazing wasp]

Clovis did some favoritism for his own exo, and Elsie's

[sharp osprey]

it was just jarring hearing her in bl have a super british accent and then now a kind of american accent lol

[blazing wasp]

She's the reason we do the entire main d1 campaign in the first place

[sage lion]

?

I can't remember that

[blazing wasp]

She gives us very important pointers

[trim grotto]

I will switch between various British accents, Australian, and occasionally some others.

[blazing wasp]

Leading us to the black heart

[trim grotto]

She featured in at least two cutscenes
Maybe three

[sharp osprey]

is there really a lore explanation then? or was it simply a change in direction

[sage lion]

Sorry i only played d1 until the 2nd raid dropped then i bounced

[blazing wasp]

Briefly on the moon, a dialogue on Venus, and a post campaign?

[trim grotto]

It's just Elsie with a different accent
Not much more to it really

Though she is somewhat multicultural

[blazing wasp]

She was in d1 at the very beginning

[trim grotto]

Something like that

[blazing wasp]

So you probably just don't remember

[trim grotto]

D1 vanilla, base campaign

[sharp osprey]

D1 base campaign

[trim grotto]

I know it's a bit of a jumble but she was there from basically the start

[sharp osprey]

i swear if there's a moment in tfs where its revealed that we in the future are who she was talking to in that one cutscene in d1 i will literally be mildly intrigued at best

[trim grotto]

Well. It's not implausible, though she does not currently have any control over her timeline shenanigans. Unless you count the uh... implication that she may have killed herself once to go back around again.

[sharp osprey]

i think its more likely that that'll just be a mystery until the end of time because bungie had zero clue what they were doing writing that original campaign lol

[trim grotto]

True enough

[sharp osprey]

i still laugh whenever i see perks or whatever in D1 calling literally every pve enemy a "minion of the darkness", including groups like the cabal or the eliksni

[trim grotto]

D1 Cabal: "What's a Light"

[sharp osprey]

remember that interview where luke smith i think it was was asked what the darkness really was and he said "fuckin uhhh idk lol"

[ruby pivot]

do we have lore about child of the old gods?

the warlock void buddy

and is it really connected to an old god? i am kinda thinking like lovecraftian mythos

[sharp osprey]

i think its just a lil black hole fella, but i'll check real quick

[ruby pivot]

ooohh....now i want a quasar

[trim grotto]

No, and probably not.
In the deepest reaches, a pact made between unknowable entities created something from nothing. It lives on.
This is all we know.

[ruby pivot]

interesting

[sharp osprey]

Void more or less represents gravity and the fabric of spacetime from my understanding

I think quasars are more Solar territory

or maybe Arc?

idk

nah, definitely Solar

[ruby pivot]

oohhh i see, hmm yeah now that i think about it yeah

[ruby pivot]

zappity zap of the universe

[sharp osprey]

Arc is just like raw energy i think

and chaos and stuff

[ruby pivot]

another question, prismatic is in a sense neutral element right?

[sharp osprey]

Osiris actually explains what each of the 5 elements represent

lemme find it real quick

https://youtu.be/3UKeMo3UerU?si=jYba3bJsHHkCO6Zw

Prismatic seems to just be everything

[ruby pivot]

whenever i see a number and elements together mf avatar intro suddenly just bursts in my thought

[sharp osprey]

Transcendence specifically is balance between everything

[ruby pivot]

avatar intro is living rent free in my head whenever i hear elements

[sharp osprey]

Light and Darkness are the parents of the elements
Arc, Void, and Solar are just subdivisions of the Light and Stasis and Strand are just subdivisions of the Darkness

[ruby pivot]

ooohhh

[sharp osprey]

and Light and Darkness together are probably just two halves of the same whole

[ruby pivot]

in a sense we would have a 7th element if bungie released the last darkness subclass

[sharp osprey]

this is just my understanding of Destiny's elements, someone tell me if i'm wrong lol

[ruby pivot]

hopefully its their lucky number for the expansion they will do for that

[ruby pivot]

i think ur right

since a there will be always a parent before a "child/sub" will appear

[sharp osprey]

I have a lowkey prediction that the 3rd darkness subclass will come with one of the episodes or something, and that that will obviously be added to prismatic as well

now if you were to ask me what i think that element would be, id have no clue

but i'd be perfectly content with the subclasses we have now tbh, especially with prismatic coming out

i dont really need another darkness subclass

[stiff hull]

Alright thanks

[ruby pivot]

tho if we look at the emotions(?) representing darkness since what they said in some cinematics stasis is seperation or division, strand is the connection of sorts

[sharp osprey]

i think stasis represents our individual will and strand is consciousness

[stiff hull]

I love stasis

[sharp osprey]

stasis isn't really ice or anything, it only resembles that so that it can make sense

[ruby pivot]

i like it too, it could have been better tho in terms of perks

[trim grotto]

Crucible flashbacks

[sharp osprey]

stasis power crept the light subclasses but has in turn become power crept lol

[stiff hull]

My interpretation of stasis is willpower, as in staying resilient and hopeful even through the worst times like in the beyond light story

And utilising that sorrow as a weapon I guess

[ruby pivot]

behemoth having 3 mins worth of super?

[trim grotto]

Stasis is control.

Emotional control in particular. The will to exert that control over others, over yourself and your emotions.

Failure to control yourself will result in... Well, in Eramis.

[stiff hull]

Me watching a thundercrash titan head right towards me

[trim grotto]

Freezing. Being consumed by Stasis.

Or corruption, alternatively.

[ruby pivot]

i am kinda seeing this as math signs stasis is divison, strand is addition, probably the next is subtraction?

idk what i am talking about

[trim grotto]

What?

[stiff hull]

What

Maths?

[ruby pivot]

all i am trying to say is probably "cutting" something out and erasing its existence

[sharp osprey]

strand

right?

[ruby pivot]

for the next darkness

oh right

yeah strand do that

nvm

[sharp osprey]

thats what strand can do i think

[ruby pivot]

sever

[sharp osprey]

yeah i dunno if we're getting another darkness subclass. it could happen but ehh

also, i dont know if bungie wants to do another regular old subclass after prismatic yknow

[ruby pivot]

yeah but true

taste the rainbows, cant wait for M&M titans

[sharp osprey]

i call it the skittle subclass

[trim grotto]

Prismatic won't be able to do everything that the individual subclasses can. There's still reason for them, and by extension, new ones.

[sharp osprey]

so do you think we're getting a new one at some point then, Mael?

[trim grotto]

Not any time soon, no.

But it's possible eventually

[ruby pivot]

hmmm there is a chance but never 0 i guess

[sharp osprey]

the only idea i've had for another darkness class was something to do with Taking, but then again, didn't we reject that power back when we killed Oryx?

more than likely tho a new subclass will be something without prior existence in the story, just like strand

[ruby pivot]

symbiote like for darkness subclass

[trim grotto]

probably don't want to make the slavery subclass

[sharp osprey]

i was thinking more summoning taken but yeah

[ruby pivot]

i am gonna scream "parker" if we get a symbiote like subclass

or "spiderman"

[sharp osprey]

gamers what if the superblack is a teaser to the new real dankess subclass???//??/

[ruby pivot]

i am listening

[trim grotto]

i mean

[ruby pivot]

[sharp osprey]

strand

[trim grotto]

we already have darkness subclass web grapples

[ruby pivot]

i know we got strand

why not symbiote

it clings and gives...well symbiosis to its host

[sharp osprey]

guys SIVA SUBCLASS RAAAHHHH SIVA I LOVE SIVA

2017 mfs be like

[ruby pivot]

man made tho

[sharp osprey]

i know, im joking

[trim grotto]

siva fanatics when they realise it made Neomuna and was made redundant years ago

[ruby pivot]

hmm yeah people do want that

ooof mael goodluck with that hot take

they might raid your vault in the tower for that

[sharp osprey]

everyone's like "new darkness subclass" this and that, nah
what about a new LIGHT subclass

[errant olive]

the opposite of the superblack shader is the [my lawyers have advised my not to finish this joke]

[sharp osprey]

chatterwhite

or Bitterpearl i guess

[ruby pivot]

i think its complete since its 3 already(light subclass)

so far for darkness we got 2

how about more subclass supers for each?

[sharp osprey]

yeah, especially the darkness subclasses

For stasis lock how about a super mega staff ice blast

and a stasis hunter roaming super with the scythes would be sick

[ruby pivot]

i mean for hunters they can do scythe, warlock can do what hege said, titans can probably use a throwable giant anchor and freeze a huge area

[sharp osprey]

bring back self rez for solar warlocks you cowards

[ruby pivot]

oooh that might be balanced or nerfed too much i guess tho best course for them to avoid all those hoops is not to implement it

[sharp osprey]

the obvious answer is to just make self rez not be a thing for wipe mechanics but then you still have the trials problem from d1

i loved self rez so much tho

it was a cruch really fun

[trim grotto]

self rez would be such a significant problem in so many parts of the game

[sharp osprey]

yes, but consider this: it would be funny

yo i just remembered a really old silly idea i had to bring back self rez, make it the main gimmick of a new darkness subclass for all 3 classes

but this wouldnt be until D3 or something cuz of all the problems self rez creates in D2

[ruby pivot]

but then again think of the community: it will be funny for them until its not for them (pvp wise)

i am a dev too tho just entry level but most of the time (not a game dev btw, but this is from my friend's) if you will implement something that seems broken if you can find loops and hoops to make it not broken and still fun go ahead, but you have to make sure that wont break the rest of the game over time otherwise just outright scrap it

anyway i got a question since i am not a d1 player

tf is a black heart exactly? other than its taken

[sharp osprey]

ahh, the black heart question

[trim grotto]

[sharp osprey]

Because the Witness had lost the Veil, it was its attempt to re-create it basically

i dont think it has anything to do with the taken

[candid inlet]

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[trim grotto]

wow that embeded badly

take this instead
'cause i can't be bothered typing it out again

i should add this into my FAQ

I mean an actual typed out version

I'm going to go make a tea

[ruby pivot]

oh wow damn

oh right i heard being a game lore master is actually a job for video game companies

[sharp osprey]

i remember before it was revealed that the black heart was a proto-veil being so pissed off at its existence as nothing more than a darkness macguffin that didnt really mean or do anything or pose any tangible threat. I guess thats still true but at least theres more context attached to it now lol

d1 base campaign is kind of bad

[ruby pivot]

i heard people praising it tho that d1 campaign is better than d2 tho

[sharp osprey]

d2 campaign is overrated and seen with rose tinted glasses because its removed from the game but its still probably much better than d1 campaign

d2 campaign had the first two missions, d1 campaign had nothing

[ruby pivot]

ooohh

ngl i actually liked the red war tower intro

[sharp osprey]

yeah it was cool

and Journey is a classic, but after that red war campaign kinda sucked

[ruby pivot]

it might just be me liking ruins and all but i really loved that ruined tower, ambers and the war torn state of the last city

[sharp osprey]

An idea i saw for the red war first mission is that it shouldve started with a guardian parade through the streets of the city and then all hell breaks loose
it explains why we all show up with lame ass armor and weapons, and lets us see the city in its last moments before disaster, giving us a more tangible motivation to keep fighting

[ruby pivot]

oof that would have much more impact tbh

[sharp osprey]

it wouldve