so after everything you told me i went to read "orin" destypedia page and found this " she told them that night was falling and that at the edge of the system the fate of humanity was being fought in a war waged by two women feared and mistrusted by most while in the Last City the Drifter also held fate in his hands" and i now have an another question who are the 2 women she taling about ?
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twilit dune
trim grotto
Probably referring to the Hourglass and the Forgotten Blade - Elsie Bray, AKA the Exo Stranger, and Eris Morn.
They who wielded Darkness, along with Drifter, and did not succumb to its corruption.
That's why they were the ones present on Europa.
remote sky
Im pr sure the nine are the dust around the planets not exactly the planets themselves
I'd love to know which of the nine like us tho 
twilit dune
damn everything is linked beautiful
willow dagger
Craaaayyy
young sigil
My favorite piece of lore has to be the mad scientist dreg that has stockpiled different weapons/body parts from battles.
ember storm
Never heard of it
iron mortar
no way this isn't in the lore, I thought it was her work vex technology that augmented her exo body allowing her to see multiple timelines
iron mortar
again D1 Vanilla Story should not be overanalyzed i think, because bungie just through it together poorly, so some of these questions I don't even think they know an answer that would be satisfying
ember storm
her time loop is relevant now
itâs the entire reason BL is a thing
but itâs meant to be a mystery not easily explained at this point
iron mortar
but itâs meant to be a mystery not easily explained at this point
well we are about to reach the climax and finale of the narrative for the last 10 years so I hope we get cool answer
ember storm
the general assumption is itâs either the traveler or even the witness responsible
personality I think the latter
iron mortar
her time loop is relevant now
like I don't think bungie always thought elsie bray would be the stranger
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like I don't think bungie always thought elsie bray would be the stranger
Definitely not
I think that idea was set around Warmind?
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Was the Stranger intended to be Maya before?
Tryna remember what I think Iâve heard about this subject
dusty jolt
Felwinter was a warlock right
iron mortar
Felwinter was a warlock right
And Rasputin's "Son"
ember storm
didnât stop Shaxx from decapitating him though
ember storm
felwinter was not a human turned exo like any other
iron mortar
Yeah I remember that part idk what it meant tho
Rasputin created felwinter to learn about humanity
ember storm
he was a special ai crafted by Rasputin that was killed in the collapse
iron mortar
Then returned as a guardian
ember storm
when he was revived as a Lightbearer, Rasputin viewed it as his son being stolen
so he tried killing him, a lot
dusty jolt
Interesting
iron mortar
so he tried killing him, a lot
And released siva
ember storm
it culminated in baiting the iron lords to old Russia with SIVA only to kill them with it
reminder SIVA was only in the replication chamber
and used against 9 iron lords
iron mortar
BRO I WANT SIVA BACK SO BADLY
dusty jolt
Same
ember storm
all the hundreds of others died from Rasputinâs bare firepower
dusty jolt
And why did Rasputin shoot the traveler
iron mortar
Same
I just think they know it doesn't really fit into the current narrative and don't know how to make it return
errant olive
BRO I WANT SIVA BACK SO BADLY
then get outbreak perfected crafted
iron mortar
And why did Rasputin shoot the traveler
Like in the collapse, it didn't
dusty jolt
I just think they know it doesn't really fit into the current narrative and don'...
Maybe in the remaster raids
I think wrath?
dusty jolt
Like in the collapse, it didn't
Huh? Then how did it lose a shard?
iron mortar
Rasputin created a protocol designed to keep the traveler from leaving that would threaten it with attack
iron mortar
Huh? Then how did it lose a shard?
Pyramids
ember storm
Huh? Then how did it lose a shard?
that was the black fleet
pyramid ships fought it
not Rasputin
dusty jolt
Confused but ok
ember storm
the shard wasnât broken off
dusty jolt
Bro said red war lol
ember storm
it was intentionally cast off
iron mortar
Huh? Then how did it lose a shard?
Now the shard is being corrupted I think by hive now
ember storm
it was corrupted by the darkness of the black fleet
the traveler essentially amputated an infected limb
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Bro said red war lol
We went to the shard during the Red War but it had been there since the Collapse
dusty jolt
the traveler essentially amputated an infected limb
Got it
iron mortar
Also don't forget the witness is as tall as building, so bro is gonna be a scary boss
iron mortar
I am still disappointed that the deep stone crypt raid boss was not clovis bray/or something darkness related it made the beyond light feel like filler story
ember storm
I dunno
iron mortar
Especially since beyond light had some much to do with exos and they are a favorite part of the lore for me
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Again, we need Clovis
ember storm
it was the perfect bridge between the stasis aspect and braytech aspect
direct confirmation that Clovis was using darkness the whole time
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We werenât just gonna destroy his AI as a boss
iron mortar
We werenât just gonna destroy his AI as a boss
We can just destroy a version of him, or something and say we keep the other one around
My theory 4 years ago
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iron mortar
Was that the raid boss was gonna be Clovis Bray's son whose mind was still in an exo body
And had gone insane
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We can just destroy a version of him, or something and say we keep the other one...
So your idea of a better raid boss is basically just a glorified stress ball ultimately?
iron mortar
So your idea of a better raid boss is basically just a glorified stress ball ult...
Well taniks kinda is a stress ball tbh
100 clears on deep stone
I feel relaxed đ
iron mortar
We werenât just gonna destroy his AI as a boss
Did you like taniks as the boss, or would have preferred someone else Eris
iron mortar
I think Taniks is fine personally
Don't you think it was a missed opportunity for a better boss, instead of a D1 joke only a small amount of people would understand
ember storm
I mean it wasnât really much of a joke
it had legitimate foreshadowing and reasoning
chrome fog
I am still disappointed that the deep stone crypt raid boss was not clovis bray/...
Test dummy Exo frame in the room with Big Clovis AI Head to test guns and dps on
sage lion
Why Is Clovis Bray Such a Bad Character
Like respectfully i have never seen the evil business man done back from the grave done so terribly
iron mortar
Why Is Clovis Bray Such a Bad Character
I think he is interesting, he gives insight to what people became after being blessed by the traveler knowledge, and the fact he was involved the creation of also all the most important aspects of golden age tech(exos, rasputin, and jumpships) I do hope to see more of him
also he has a personality and he isn't pure evil as he does love his immortal grand daughters in his own way
raw hazel
I want to see more of him just so I can throw more Nova Bombs in his face
10/10, wicked and vile man I love to hate
iron mortar
I want to see more of him just so I can throw more Nova Bombs in his face
Like I do agree with Eris, that we need him, but I hope we get to fight him in some form, like I just want more unique raid/dungeon bosses that aren't recycled enemies types
raw hazel
If we ever get to be able to put an end to him I'll be first in line
iron mortar
Warlord Ruin boss not being an ahamkara of some kind was a crazy missed opportunity
ember storm
is that not recycling an enemy type
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The story we got with Hefnd was better than just fighting Hefnd himself tbh
It was meaningful and tied into the themes and ideas of the season
Rather than just being âlook, an Ahamkara to kill!â
ember storm
anyway, have we identified what the dread are?
like one of them is obviously psion but I havenât seen the rest
raw hazel
The Husk seems to be an altered Hive
ember storm
hm
do you think theyâll do the D1 cabal thing where you can see their face after headshot kills
I hope
raw hazel
Harbinger and Omen seem to have a similar body plan to Rhulk, possiliby based on him like how the Tormentors are based on Nezzy?
And that would be cool, it's always fun when you can see visible damage on enemies
ember storm
that was my thought back when it was just âSubjugatorsâ
raw hazel
Riiiiiiight yeah that's what I was thinking too
The Dread by and large seem to be either repurposed enemies or like.. Perhaps they're moreso made from a template based on other beings.
Vaguely reminds me, in concept, of the Taken. Which would track, imo.
iron mortar
anyway, have we identified what the dread are?
I thought they were creations of the witness of some kind, they are probably gonna be busted
raw hazel
Following the potential logic, then I would imagine that the Grim are based off some other alien race we've not encountered
empty fern
We got 2 psions in there so thereâs that
analog torrent
Is there any information on the romance novel "Hunter of the Heart" other than that it's about a Warlock and a male Hunter, Cayde read it, and our Ghost and Eva think it's shit?
holy hell someone wrote a fanfic of it lol
dim minnow
Harbinger and Omen seem to have a similar body plan to Rhulk, possiliby based on...
Anyone else see the Omen do a respectful bow in the small trailer?
raw hazel
They seem like such delightful chaps despite wanting to cave our skull in
next bobcat
Tally ho lads
chrome fog
Holar
gentle geyser
We got 2 psions in there so thereâs that
To be fair, didnât a group of psions join the witness?
empty fern
Donât know 
ember storm
To be fair, didnât a group of psions join the witness?
what do you think the shadow legion is
gentle geyser
what do you think the shadow legion is
I mean the rebel group
Plus the shadow legion are just clones no?
ember storm
fairly certain they are the shadow legion, judging by their personal Calus statue in vox obscura
ember storm
Plus the shadow legion are just clones no?
no
that was just the remaining loyalists on the haunted leviathan
shadow legion has defectors and others too
vestal summit
any updates on the nine recently? the universe is about to end and they are still just sitting in their weird dimension with Xur and Star horse?
vestal summit
Theyâre gearing us up with exotics still
whats that? which exotics?
vestal summit
bruh, at this point i think the nine fucked off and left Xur on auto-mode.
Also explains why he hasn't been relevant in years, took an interdimensional horse for him to finally do something but thats almost 3 years ago.
gentle geyser
fairly certain they are the shadow legion, judging by their personal Calus statu...
Considering that its only psions
chrome fog
Well consider the absolute shit storm that the Sol System has been since at least the Collapse and that there are pressing matters rn, trying to get people to make them into conventional life forms is not very important in the grand scheme of things
gentle geyser
Considering that its only psions
The fact that its only psions imo implies that its not just shadow legion members
chrome fog
Considering that its only psions
you pass by blocks of regular shadow legion grunts stuck in what looks like amber
In one of the campaign missions
gentle geyser
Im referring to the enemy types
chrome fog
No I know, but like. The only Psions we really know to be with the Witness are the ones in Shadow Legion; the rebel sect of Psions was only working for their own personal gain
To which they fucked up in Chosen and Caital set some effort into rooting them all out
gentle geyser
Oh okie
Still want to know what the hell the grim was based on before it became the grim
chrome fog
Most likely the same Psion group as that one Psion who didnât want Calus to give all Psions free-citizen status but Iâm not clear on that
chrome fog
No
chrome fog
Also why is he fat in ron
Just cause
gentle geyser
Why do you assume hes a guardian
empty merlin
idk
cloud dock
How many volumes are there in the story(separate from this convo)
empty merlin
I assume evry1 a guardian tbh
gentle geyser
His title is literally god of pain
cloud dock
was nezarac a guardian?
He's a god
empty merlin
i c
gentle geyser
Thats not how it works
gentle geyser
In fact lightfalls campaign showcases people not being guardians
cloud dock
I don't think he's a specified race
empty merlin
hes racist
cloud dock
He looks to be the same race as the Tormenters
empty merlin
he fat as hell
empty merlin
yea i js searched it up too lmao
cloud dock
Similar to Rhulk, but not the same
rose marsh
Why did our ghosts start acting weird at the end of lightfall campaign?
gentle geyser
other person saying it not
?
gentle geyser
Why did our ghosts start acting weird at the end of lightfall campaign?
Witness took control
chrome fog
if he wsnt a guardian tf was he
A whatever-Nezarec-was; we donât have that much information on his background and what we do have is fairly allegorical, as in it builds him as a mythological figure rather than really elaborating to who or what he is
If you are assuming he is a Guardian based on his control over Light, it would be good to know that all forms of Paracausality exist to some extent across the Destiny universe almost thinly spread - including the Light
chrome fog
He's apart of the darkness
He is most likely skilled in the use of Darkness but he is not Darkness itself; Darkness isnât even a conscious thing, itâs a force, an aspect of Paracausality as a whole, itâs as sentient as gravity or the forces which keep atoms together
gentle geyser
Pretty sure hes baiting or just not paying attention
empty merlin
Not paying attention
chrome fog
Then I will answer regardless
empty merlin
played this game for 3 years and not have a single peice of knowledge when it comes to lore
chrome fog
According to bungie.net, he's called a Qugu
Now is this the forums or from Bungie themselves? Because the Qugu are only mentioned in 2 entries in passing and there is not much on them at all
Iâll let our resident Byf Premiumâs words speak on the matter, but itâs unlikely that Nezarec and the Qugu are connected to anything
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chrome fog
played this game for 3 years and not have a single peice of knowledge when it co...
Thatâs totally fine, if you have any questions thereâs plenty of regulars in this chat that can probably answer your questions
empty merlin
đ
chrome fog
He looks to be the same race as the Tormenters
And this itself might be from the Witness providing some material for Calus to produce the Tormentors, since he describes them in the campaign as being the result of the collaboration between them
umbral mural
How long would it have taken organized religion to disappear from the destiny universe. Like was it a gradual Downfall. Or did it just stop existing overnight when The traveler showed up?
chrome fog
The holiday events are somewhat merged celebrations across the various cultures and religions, and we also somewhat have Traveler worship to consider as well, since that had developed in the Golden Age and then somewhat persisted/reemerged in the City Age
Osiris got his own cult after disappearing into his research - literally
And to an extent you could say the Shadows of Yor worshipped Dredgen Yor but thatâs a bit of a stretch
umbral mural
I'm aware of that stuff
chrome fog
The Travelerâs appearance did not magically change Earthâs cultures instantaneously, to the extent that regional distinctions and names - Manhattan, London, Russia, the Panama Ravine, etc etc - have persisted even into the current Age of Triumph, so it would stand to reason that organized religion would still have persisted
Certainly caused a shift in thinking, but not eliminate it; in fact, facilitated it
grand jungle
is poissble for d2 n halo story to connect
gentle geyser
No
Even if they did by some miracle, why
Also reminder, bungie doesnât own halo anymore
grand jungle
ye i know just thinking bout d2 in some halo areas
grand jungle
im lost were they making halo and destiny or did they once make d1 when they moved on fron halo?
gentle geyser
They made halo and stopped at reach, 343 was created to continue making halo games
chrome fog
Well there is the Paraverse thing; but no, unless Microsoft willingly gives them back the IP of Halo Bungie cannot actually connect the two franchises outside of some winks and nods
And no mega corporation willingly gives out IPs
gentle geyser
Truthfully I donât think bungie would even want to make another halo game, they finished their run and concluded it with reach, they are finished with their story
chrome fog
Youâll have to settle for the Dares weapons
chrome fog
Truthfully I donât think bungie would even want to make another halo game, they ...
Well considering theyâre revisiting Marathon they might have some ideas but yeah, they were on the Halo workhorse for long enough and wanted to make Destiny after a while
gentle geyser
It ainât over till bungo makes that concept art moth species into one of their ips
Need
grand jungle
so once they moved on from halo they made d1?
chrome fog
You could probably look up when they transitioned into developing Destiny
raw hazel
When Bungie divested from Microsoft, MS got the rights for Halo
So, yeah alas gotta settle for the Dares weapons
rotund wyvern
xivu arath has children?
trim grotto
According to bungie.net, he's called a Qugu
...Nezarec? No. No, not at all.
trim grotto
xivu arath has children?
Yes. All the siblings do.
rotund wyvern
Yes. All the siblings do.
how many cuz i just fought 3 in a riven arena
are her children so weak in comparsion to oryxs that they becmae mini bosses?
trim grotto
how many cuz i just fought 3 in a riven arena
An unspecified amount but here's her brood chart made by Headquarters
gentle geyser
The amount of ogres is wild
rotund wyvern
too many kids
trim grotto
They're not all strictly children
rotund wyvern
They're not all strictly children
oh savathuns their too lol
trim grotto
oh savathuns their too lol
Tangentially. She used Quria to Take some of Xivu's children, as shown in the chart.
rotund wyvern
Tangentially. She used Quria to Take some of Xivu's children, as shown in the ch...
i did not understand how the chart worked lol
rotund wyvern
Tangentially. She used Quria to Take some of Xivu's children, as shown in the ch...
im guessing oryx doesnt care about xivus children
trim grotto
Well he's also dead
raw hazel
I mean Oryx is dead so I imagine thereâs not much he cares about
trim grotto
i have a... vanilla pepsi max
raw hazel
I will take it
rich veldt
so once they moved on from halo they made d1?
bungie planned it for a while, after the release of halo 3, they split into 3 teams, 2 to work on odst and reach, and 1 for d1. but games being games, all the story ideas were probably already being worked on even earlier
analog torrent
when you were reading "all the lore" did you do it in chronological or release order?
rotund wyvern
then y did uldrin ask hows your sister
rotund wyvern
oh lol
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Because Mara was dead at that point
rotund wyvern
how was she revived
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Throne World
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Because Mara was dead at that point
Well, to clarify, Mara was believed to be dead at that point
No one knew sheâd lived through having a Throne World
rotund wyvern
in the taken war?
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Yes
rotund wyvern
how does a non hive have a throne world
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Riven
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Yes
Oryx tried to kill her and instead she survived and claimed his power after weâd killed him in turn
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is it cuz of the pact with oryx?
Riven being Taken came after Mara making a Throne World
rotund wyvern
Riven being Taken came after Mara making a Throne World
oh
which season did mara return in
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She returned in Forsaken
rotund wyvern
oh
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And then she didnât do much again until Season of the Lost I believe
Well, she probably had like lore and behind the scenes stuff she was doing but nothing in game I donât think
rotund wyvern
but y did we have to kill riven?
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Because Riven was Taken and threatened the Dreaming City, and also could potentially escape beyond
rotund wyvern
then y tf do we use her for wishes
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This season? We had no other choice if we want to follow the Witness
rotund wyvern
oh
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Mara had it for a time after we exorcised it from Savathûn
And then we had to preserve it so that we could learn from it
Mara tricked the worm into thinking she was going to be its new host
rotund wyvern
did savathun have any relationship with oryx or his kids?
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Instead she had the Parasite unit ready to house it
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did savathun have any relationship with oryx or his kids?
In what sense?
rotund wyvern
In what sense?
like fammial
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I mean, sheâs Oryxâs sister and thus his childrenâs aunt
rotund wyvern
did the hive gods not work together or like each other?
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Hold on a sec though I think thereâs a fun quote somewhere
He hacks at his insecurity, his sisters' cleverness⊠even his father's throne. Desperate to carve his own shape into the world, sovereign from the Great Navigator.
And where did his overweening pride lead him? Into exile. Such a shame.
But do you know what? I predict he'll return stronger than ever.
And when he does, it won't be because he grew as cunning as his auntie. Or as clever as his sisters. Or as thoughtful as his father.
It'll be because he finally found a bigger sword.```This is Savathûn talking about Crota
rotund wyvern
crota was exiled?
rotund wyvern
who would?
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Mael
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I mean, we know he was exiled from what it says there
The question would be why and when
rotund wyvern
yea ik
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Oh shit
I knew about that but I didnât realise that was the reason for his exile
I thought that was a separate event for some reason
So what, Crota was exiled and then went to our moon where he hid for millennia or whatever?
rotund wyvern
after he let the vex into oryx's throne world yeah
i didnt even know he did that but thats funny asf
rotund wyvern
So what, Crota was exiled and then went to our moon where he hid for millennia o...
he hid on our fucking moon from his dad?
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I donât know that being exiled means he was hunted down but
rotund wyvern
i feel like if crota really wanted he couldve overthrown his father
jagged badge
Perhaps exile is just the Hiveâs version of putting your kid on the naughty step or something haha
Oryx still cared about Crota enough to seek vengeance for his death at our hands so
rotund wyvern
Oryx still cared about Crota enough to seek vengeance for his death at our hands...
is oryx other son dead or nah
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Nokris? I think so
rotund wyvern
apparatnely exile is just being forced to leave your home
what the premise and lore behind the wrath of machines raid in case they dont bring it back i wanna know
frozen finch
The Brave weapon lore tabs are pretty neat. Shows what everyone is doing preparing for the portal.
Btw do we know if the whole coalition forces are going in or if itâs only a section
trim grotto
is oryx other son dead or nah
Nokris is dead. He was part of the Warmind expansion and was finally killed for good in Season of Arrivals.
hi i'm back now i was busy with helldivers
rotund wyvern
Nokris is dead. He was part of the Warmind expansion and was finally killed for ...
I couldnât beat the first mission of warmind as a kid
trim grotto
when you were reading "all the lore" did you do it in chronological or release o...
Neither. Topic by topic as they arose, and through participating in discussions.
rotund wyvern
Do i need to watch lore for stuff ive already played and stuff or only the past seasons i wasnt here for?
Like I left in warmind and idk lore from after the forsaken pack
trim grotto
Well that rather depends on you, I suppose, and how much you feel you've absorbed.
I don't personally watch lore at all anymore but I used to watch a lot of random or interesting Byf videos when I was first starting out in learning lore.
rotund wyvern
Well that rather depends on you, I suppose, and how much you feel you've absorbe...
Is it needed for final shape or as long as Iâve played shadow keep onwards i should be good?
trim grotto
Shadowkeep onwards has a solid foundation for the lore and story of this story arc
But there are always callbacks to older content and lore, of course
jagged badge
hi i'm back now i was busy with helldivers
analog torrent
Do i need to watch lore for stuff ive already played and stuff or only the past ...
You donât need to read (watch?) the lore, just look into topics you find interesting and go down the research rabbit holes as they appear
trim grotto
It's honestly the best way to do it, in my opinion.
Learning lore in a purely chronological order may leave you mistakenly thinking that... oh, I don't know... that Efrideet is dead, or that Drifter might betray us, or something silly.
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Or that Rasputin shit the Traveler
trim grotto
Or that Eris Morn is actually evil and will betray us because she's kinda spooooky
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trim grotto
"ooh she looks weird she might betray us"
"She has personally saved our lives numerous times at her own personal risk."
"she laughs weird thooouuuugh"
good old Season of the Haunted
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Media literacy is when the entire season is about her being compassionate and helping people but she laughed funny so sheâs evil
chrome fog
good old Season of the Haunted
Man holy shit, that was kinda infuriating
cloud dock
Eris good, eris no evil
chrome fog
It was reasonable in Witch because of the enticement of being a Hive God directly preys on breaking down oneâs inhibitions for achieving their desires but like she legit had no reason to go bad in Haunted
(Ahsa and Eris both I think expressed how intoxicating taking part in the Sword Logic was)
velvet flax
I agree its reasonable in Witch but my main issue with that narrative is every week Ikora would go 'I don't know if Eris will be ok'
and thats kind of what the middle of the seasonal narrative boiled down to
I'm going to be happy when Year 6 is over đ
chrome fog
I saw it as a close friend checking up on her dealing with something she has expressed is going to be a rough time, both genuine concern and being an anchor for Eris as a friend
velvet flax
I saw it as a close friend checking up on her dealing with something she has exp...
Oh 100% I think its alright to do it a few times, but when it became a constant every week it just started to get annoying
shadow crypt
What is this
trim grotto
The Anomaly is an amorphous blob of Darkness
It caused hallucinations and hysteria amongst the staff
And it's also what sent Clovis to Europa so start all of those shenanigans
trim grotto
It's still there. It's a Crucible map.
jagged badge
Naturally the best course of action to take around a dangerous artifact of Darkness is live fire drills
shadow crypt
What was this
trim grotto
That'd be the Black Heart
shadow crypt
Whatâs the difference between the green vex and bronze vex
Ik they are called the sol divisive but do they have different purposes
trim grotto
Each Collective were designed and purposed towards different... well, purposes. Like the Hezen Protective of the Vault of Glass.
The Sol Divisive worked in the Black Garden, and at this time, worshipped the Black Heart for power.
shadow crypt
What are they up to nowadays
trim grotto
Working with the Witness. In this very Season, in fact.
iron mortar
Also just clarifying, grasp of avarice is a mostly a joke dungeon
Like is the curse actually in the lore
Or just for "loot cave drives you mad"
trim grotto
Grasp is a bit of a mess in the lore. The environmental storytelling does not match that of the audio logs. And no, there's no explanation for the curse past "hee hee greedy person go mad".
blazing wasp
The entirety of 30th was mostly made as a celebration, with little to no lore relevance or importance
exotic cloak
Is pretty much the loot cave turned Dungeon
I would have to check but it was even a curse?
Pretty much that fireteam just got consumed by the grasp of avarice
exotic cloak
Ah yeah forgot that, I haven't played it in months
weak sentinel
From the vanguards perspective, is every problem being solved from just one guardian? In destiny campaign they typically say something along the lines of âonly you guardianâ but to complete raids the design is for 6 guardians ?
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Our victories are usually somewhat collaborative
And in raids we do fight alongside 5 other Guardians
spiral crane
Lore wise do we play as the same guardian In d1 and d2
jagged badge
Yes
The Guardian, or the Young Wolf, is the same person throughout
The nature of the video game and stuff like veteran dialogue can suggest otherwise sometimes
But thereâs also lore and dialogue everyone gets connecting them as the same Guardian involved in all these events
west cloak
itâs easily noticed during red war if you played on xbox if you originally played on D1
exotic cloak
From the vanguards perspective, is every problem being solved from just one guar...
As Eris said, our victories are collaborative, we are basically the guy in the field
ember storm
could the guardian beat Mario and Luigi
blazing wasp
could the guardian beat Mario and Luigi
No
ember storm
correct
chrome fog
As in the Mario and Luigi series or Mario and Luigi in the main Mario games?
blazing wasp
Without breaking a sweat mario is capable of exerting enough force to create explosions simply through a jump
This isn't even taking rpg into account
In a rpg scenario we're the raid boss and Mario and luigi are the sweaty tryhard clan who frequently do top 10s in day 1
They'd grind us to fucking dust
Bullets? Jump
Nova bomb? Hammer
ember storm
As in the Mario and Luigi series or Mario and Luigi in the main Mario games?
red socks
raw hazel
Mario really does solo
remote sky
My ghost just fucked everything up. Why?
As in, what is the connection between the ghosts and the witness? Do we know? Do we know why the witness can control ghosts? Did they build them??
exotic cloak
My ghost just fucked everything up. Why?
Ghost got controlled why Witness
Is not the best resource but this already happened like 10 times at this point
In the campaign itself in the second mission
exotic cloak
As in, what is the connection between the ghosts and the witness? Do we know? Do...
Ghost were made by the Traveler
Don't remember correctly the other questions so wait for any of the guys here they know better about that
flat crystal
the crucible is televised right ? like some form of sports? or i guess like the game The Finals
itd be so nice if that was a bigger aspect of the vibe of crucible
blazing wasp
the crucible is televised right ? like some form of sports? or i guess like the ...
Its a blood sport without any of the risks
chrome fog
itd be so nice if that was a bigger aspect of the vibe of crucible
The portion of the community focused on PvP is that bigger aspect of the vibe of crucible, playersâ talk about meta and shit is canon to the universe
exotic cloak
Yeah
Even Saladin mentions how the Iron Banner is showed around the cabal empire
Wouldn't be strange to imagine that also happens with regular crucible
chrome fog
Heck, guess why the Brave âbannedâ weapons are âcoming out of the vaultâ
Because literally, these weapons got sunset and then are being brought back at the same level of meta even though we have access to their older versions both with focusing and also in the case of Hung Jury, common as hell drops
mellow merlin
Hung jury considered a âbanned weaponâ is silly
Iâm pretty sure there are other weapons that could be a better alternative
mellow merlin
Iâm trying my best, but I feel like they couldâve added maybe one more black armory weapon. Maybe Iâm biased, but those guns slap, like threat level
exotic cloak
Is not even weapons we can obtain are banned is the fact they are banned
Yeah we are literally facing threats that could wipe our entire existence every weekend but those weapons can't be used
chrome fog
Vaguely remember Hung Jury in ye olden days of a couple years ago popping in and out of meta for stuff, but they got constantly nerfed into oblivion
But also like itâs not that complicated, Shaxx is giving you the Good Versionsâąïž of these weapons
You never seen rolls like this before because Shaxx had âconfiscatedâ these rolls and whatever the hell
empty fern
Shaxx fr is the reason you never got that god roll
exotic cloak
Shaxx confiscating powerful weapons that could help us in our battles against literally the end of our existence because they too powerful
empty fern
Donât worry he did the opposite of that
sage lion
Thanks Shax for giving me the ability to paint the walls red faster
ember storm
honestly I think a funny reasoning for banned hung jury would be dead orbitâs current conditioning leaving nobody particularly sure what the official procedure should be for distributing their collaborations
so the vanguard just shuffled all of them into Shaxxâs vault and pretend theyâre not there
sage lion
All omolon weapons should be sent to the forever box who thought of turning juice into bullets
ember storm
who thought of turning rocks into bullets
those are meant to be portable, bite sized snacks
gentle geyser
I like that we have a grimoire card that makes og randal the vandal canon
wide condor
what's the "wish" referring to in season of the wish?
sage lion
Rivens wish
blazing wasp
Rivens wish
savathuns wish rather
sage lion
Yeah but like it's not savathĂșns if she is dead
gentle geyser
Thats not how that works
She made the wish
Riven doesnât grant it because she has literally no reason to help us
Hence the events of this season
ember storm
Yeah but like it's not savathĂșns if she is dead
she came up with it, designed it, and left it for us
we wouldnât have had the idea to nor the playing chip of a living ahamkara egg to deal with riven in the first place
gentle geyser
The only reason she doesnât just grant us the wish and the season is done like that is because we literally killed her, shes rightfully salty
ember storm
And sheâs also not dead
gentle geyser
Sav being dead didnât impact the wish at all and she wasnât dead when season of the wish started
sage lion
Well she is now...
chrome fog
All omolon weapons should be sent to the forever box who thought of turning juic...
Every plasma weapon in every game is the same to an extent if you wanna get nerdy about it
gentle geyser
AND still has the throne world
ember storm
AND still has the throne world
thatâs irrelevant now
sheâs not tied to it anymore
itâs just a physical location constructed out of light now
if she dies she dies
gentle geyser
Ah
sage lion
AND still has the throne world
Right then i best go arc class and fry a moth
gentle geyser
Sav is still a major player, shes still a problem that will eventually get dealt with
Probably in the episode heresy
chrome fog
Right then i best go arc class and fry a moth
You do this already in Witch Queen silly! She came back, remember?
chrome fog
And then Eris did it again! And Saint did it a ton of times!
ember storm
Why did she get a ghost, we ever sort that mystery out
we did
Immaru and Savathun planned it
chrome fog
Why did she get a ghost, we ever sort that mystery out
Because she and Immaru planned this
ember storm
they both wanted it to happen so they did it
chrome fog
Every since those exotic glaives were released
sage lion
And then Eris did it again! And Saint did it a ton of times!
I still remember being delighted the robot was gay
chrome fog
They tell the whole plan
ember storm
Every since those exotic glaives were released
glances
chrome fog
I hate autocorrect and technology and we live in a society of broken systems
ember storm
guess you could say
this time around, you werenât able to properly
string it together
chrome fog
But the exotic âEdge of [blank]â glaives give us a sequence of events leading to, during, and after Savathunâs revival by Immaru
sage lion
Ah strange
ember storm
either way thereâs still the patrol dialogue of ghost recognizing Immaruâs voice, meaning he wasnât just spawned out of nowhere
it was never the travelerâs direct action, unlike people like to say
blazing wasp
it was never the travelerâs direct action, unlike people like to say
mfw when the entity known for favouring free will and complexity more or less above anything else allows people to have free will
(with extremely rare exceptions)
ember storm
mfw when the entity known for favouring free will and complexity more or less ab...
yeah, itâs just the same principle of humans/exos/awoken being risen
and before anyone asks, no
Rhulk was not an exception
blazing wasp
(ending the fucking world is a reasonable exception imo)
ember storm
he was actively tearing apart the ghost and killing it while proclaiming himself worthy
chrome fog
But the exotic âEdge of [blank]â glaives give us a sequence of events leading to...
Thereâs also information from the Collectorâs Edition regarding how they got so many Ghosts to follow them, as many had began to read the excerpts of the Books of Sorrow we had discovered and felt sympathetic for the Hiveâs origins
ember storm
the traveler just spared the ghost any further suffering
blazing wasp
"the light must be given, not taken"
if the traveler did not do shitfuck, you could argue that went against her entire ideology
chrome fog
Thereâs also information from the Collectorâs Edition regarding how they got so ...
This paired with strong-arming a couple others, and you get enough Ghosts to start a small populace of Lightbearer Hive
exotic cloak
Riven doesnât grant it because she has literally no reason to help us
Mara getting upset when Riven says no is so funny
blazing wasp
fym nuh uh
ember storm
it is funny though
âwhy wouldnât you want to save the entirety of existence?â
âIâm literally deadâ
chrome fog
âBitch you killed me and my kids stfuâ
âYOU TRAPPED MY PEOPLEâ
âYOU KILLED MY PEOPLEâ
Hilarity ensues
ember storm
riven fully admitting with zero irony that her mate was the only objectively good ahamkara, while still acting like she was imprisoned for no reason
truly an icon
also can you imagine being oryx, finding a wish dragon who you thought were all extinct, taking her, and then trying to roleplay as her when you realize her mate is also alive
chrome fog
Wait where the hell is that from
ember storm
during the cutscene after starcrossed
after riven was taken, oryx tried finding [I forgot his name] by speaking through riven
but he recognized it wasnât actually her which led him to self destruct via wish for egg
empty fern
after riven was taken, oryx tried finding [I forgot his name] by speaking throug...
[terenis?]
ember storm
yes
raw hazel
truly an icon
She really do be âš girlbossing âš
iron mortar
is it ever explained why guardians can't get new ghosts?
because how can ghosts get new guardians, (shin malphur's ghost)
raw hazel
Shin only ever had one Ghost, but otherwise the exact mechanic for it, if there is one, has never been detailed
Itâs always just been one Ghost to one Lightbearer
iron mortar
Shin only ever had one Ghost, but otherwise the exact mechanic for it, if there ...
no shin's ghost belonged to someone else who got killed by dregden yor, and then went to shin
also this also broke another rule of ghost having to find a corpse to bring to life
it is also never explained how finding a right corpse works, the lore sometimes mentions it but not always
west cloak
it hasnât been stated whether one guardian is forever linked to one ghost or not
itâs been real 50/50
raw hazel
no shin's ghost belonged to someone else who got killed by dregden yor, and then...
No, Shin only ever had one Ghost. He was Risen as an infant before his Ghost was killed shortly after. Vincent, Yorâs Ghost, and Jaren Wardâs Ghost just sorta hang out with him.
iron mortar
No, Shin only ever had one Ghost. He was Risen as an infant before his Ghost was...
what, can you show me where you found this out
this goes aganist what I have read
raw hazel
what, can you show me where you found this out
@trim grotto Can explain it better than I ever could
iron mortar
No, Shin only ever had one Ghost. He was Risen as an infant before his Ghost was...
this is what I read
raw hazel
it hasnât been stated whether one guardian is forever linked to one ghost or not
Our biggest evidence is actually the lack of evidence. Itâs never been stated to happen. Like for example, we have plenty of Guardians that have lost their Ghosts and plenty of Ghosts that have never found their right partner- But you never see/hear about them ever pairing up. Hell- Our Ghost was right there as Cayde was dying, and was unable to do anything for him.
west cloak
thereâs also the lil easter egg with master chief where he basically rejected the ghost, so even potential guardians can reject ghosts
raw hazel
this is what I read
I am assuming you got this off Destinypedia?
Just for reference- Destinypedia isnât the most reliable thing. As it can be edited rather easily by most anyone, itâs gotten lore wrong in the past.
And I mean- I personally wouldnât hold too much merit for a little easter egg.
Destinypedia, imo, is good for a refresher on topics, but not particularly for more of the minutiae.
iron mortar
I am assuming you got this off Destinypedia?
Just for reference- Destinypedia i...
I see, well can you send where you read about the shin malphur ghost thing, because I never heard this before
it seems interesting
raw hazel
Well since it seems Mael is busy right now, I was actually able to find his post about it.
TL;DR: A user asked Jon Goff, the writer for Shin Malphur, to clarify the situation about Shin and Ghosts. To which he clarified, âShin had one Ghost (briefly), but many friends.â ⊠â⊠It is my intent, as touched upon by certain words, the they [the other Ghosts] are âjust hanging out.â Though, whose Ghost Shin is hanging out with in his later life isnât necessarily who you assume.â
IIRC, during D1 back in Age of Triumph there was a lore entry about a Ghost leading a group people away from a band of Fallen, one of the infants in the group of people died, which the Ghost those to raise, before the Ghost later died to lure the Fallen away.
Itâs not stated outright but it is believed the infant in question is Shin.
(Which Maelâs post actually goes over all this as well now that I am reading it properly.)
Shin is a bit of an outlier in that he can seemingly wield the Light despite his Ghost being dead, but not an outlier in that he somehow bonded with a second Ghost.
chrome fog
this is what I read
Aaaah see, your mistake was trusting Destinypedia wholeheartedly
Sorry catching up
raw hazel
No worries
chrome fog
thereâs also the lil easter egg with master chief where he basically rejected th...
That doesnât even really contribute to that argument; to reiterate, if it were the case that Ghosts and Lightbearers could find new partners, it would be present in the lore a whole hell of a lot more, especially considering during the Red War, all Guardians lost their connection to the Light and either lost their ghosts or died their final deaths
As currently presented within the lore, Ghosts get one partner, thatâs it, regardless if itâs the one they are most destined for or if itâs just the closest body
raw hazel
Yeah thatâs what I was trying to illustrate.
Were it something possibly then we would likely be hearing about it. We have plenty of Ghostless Guardians and Ghosts that have never found their right Chosen- It would have done us extremely well if we could pair them up instead.
Somethingsomething Occamâs Razor- You never hear about it, ergo, the most likely assumption/actuality is that it is not possible.
empty fern
Oooo remember those theories of âwas it our ghost that found usâ during red war? Good times
chrome fog
Somethingsomething Occamâs Razor- You never hear about it, ergo, the most likely...
Funnily enough I think this kinda connects to a theory the Cryptarchy brewed up regarding how Shin was able to use Golden Gun with the Last Word, in that conspicuously he had spent some time with that Solar Titan order, the one that forged the summonable hammer; it goes that the Last Word got reforged in a similar way - hence why the Golden Gun takes its appearance sometimes - which is why Shin could use it despite his lack of connection to the Light.
There was contention with how Last Word becomes normal after we repair it, but Iâm of the mind that because all the specially forged pieces got replaced with normal pieces, it itself just became a regular gun (but then that runs into the issue of how Golden Gun can still be summoned but idk)
raw hazel
I think Iâve heard about that theory too
Something like along the lines of being able to use Light that resided within the gun or some such
And yâknow
I think I can understand why Shin would want to retire
chrome fog
True, it was Jarren Wardâs prior to Shinâs ownership
raw hazel
He has a very fast draw but- One grave mistake and it was all over
Probably was such a fast draw because of that fact
Didnât have the same luxury of coming back from death like other Lightbearers
west cloak
L
empty fern
The hive forger with a fast hand
chrome fog
L
Tf you mean L, Shin Malphur was taking care of business for decades Lightless and with no rezzing, to the point that he was working up until 5 years ago
Even made a bunch of Yor wannabes piss their pants
west cloak
he died
chrome fog
No tf he didnât
raw hazel
No heâs alive
west cloak
nuh uh
raw hazel
He just retired
west cloak
he went to the happy farm with the other lightless guardians
raw hazel
During the Forsaken era, he entrusts the Last Word to the Guardian, as they had shown they would be able to carry on his goal of showing other Guardians how to properly handle Darkness
chrome fog
he went to the happy farm with the other lightless guardians
Read this and the other entries in the book
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/revelations-and-invitations
raw hazel
Canonically, our Last Word isnât a copy, it is the ACTUAL gun used by Jaren Ward and Shin Malphur
chrome fog
A name as big as Shin Malphur would have everyone in the Vanguard and in our Solar System talking about their death
raw hazel
And then there was the whole thing of him having us purify the original Thorn used by Dredgen Yor into Lumina
After everything he had done, the man earned his retirement
chrome fog
Guy gets to nap
raw hazel
I hope him and his Ghost buddies are out having the time of their lives somewhere
Yâknow, it is rather nice to think about. Shin banked on everything to get Guardians to be able to safely wield the Darkness alongside the Light as he believed that was what we needed for the future-
And come Final Shape, weâre going to be able to wield Light and Dark at the same time.
empty fern
Wonder if that ghost hunter (last heard from the reef) is still wandering
raw hazel
Cyrell? Possible. Donât think weâve heard anything about them since Forsaken.
gentle geyser
Wonder if that ghost hunter (last heard from the reef) is still wandering
Wandering the dcv
empty fern
gentle geyser
Forever lost
trim grotto
he went to the happy farm with the other lightless guardians
he isn't Lightless
trim grotto
Well since it seems Mael is busy right now, I was actually able to find his post...
ye i'm raiding
trim grotto
Wonder if that ghost hunter (last heard from the reef) is still wandering
as far as we know, yes
remote sky
Crimson being illegal yet not getting sunsetting for lore purposes makes me angry
graceful tide
what exactly is the lore behind deep stone crypt? like i feel that whole raid is out of place in destiny and the final boss is really underwhelming for a game with such deep lore
dim minnow
what exactly is the lore behind deep stone crypt? like i feel that whole raid is...
story context, we defeated Eramis and she was frozen in Stasis
most of her council had been eliminated
but while this was going on, the remaining members of her council were messing around with the technology in the Deep Stone Crypt
Atraks used it to make herself into the first Fallen Exo
and she also used some tech to bring back Taniks
Elsie knew what power was within the crypt, so she sent us there to put an end to their plans
eventually, it reaches a point where the entire surface of Europa was at risk due to Taniks taking control of the Morningstar (the oribital space station in the raid)
so we manage to stop him and it ends with us facing Taniks in an epic final battle
as for who Taniks was
Taniks started out as a dreg who was constantly docked by his kell
so one day, he built himself new arms and killed his kell with them, thus ending his own house
raw hazel
Of note, it seemed like the ultimate goal of Eramis at the time was to have an army of Stasis-wielding Exo-Eliksni to march on the Last City which would be- Quite bad.
dim minnow
ever since then, he's been a mercenary, swearing no allegiance to any house
he's been infamous for hunting Guardians
dim minnow
which caught the eyes of some ambitious hunters eventually
past glen
Poke the eramis stasis statue
dim minnow
Poke the eramis stasis statue
I'd argue that the statue was resistant to whatever we could do
dim minnow
which caught the eyes of some ambitious hunters eventually
these hunters being Cayde-6 and Andal Brask
so the two hunters made a dare since the seat for Hunter Vanguard was finally announced vacant
whoever killed Taniks, gets to not take the seat
since taking the seat is someing no hunter wants to do
so in the end, Cayde kills Taniks and Andal has to take the seat becoming the Hunter Vanguard
however, Taniks came back
so Cayde killed him again making sure he was dead this time
but somehow, Taniks returned
only this time, he managed to kill Andal Brask
which is what leads to Cayde-6 becoming Hunter Vanguard out of respect for his old friend
raw hazel
but somehow, Taniks returned
dim minnow
jump ahead to the events of D1 in House of Wolves, and we are sent by Variks to hunt down Taniks who was raiding the Temple of Crota on the Moon in a strike mission
we manage to chase Taniks to his Ketch where we kill him
BUT WAIT HE ISN'T DEAD, SHIA SURPRISE
he was reforged with SIVA during the events of Rise of Iron
so we had to hunt him down again in a reprised version of the strike
so that makes 4 confirmed deaths
2 of them by our hand
until Beyond Light in D2 with the Deep Stone Crypt raid where now he becomes the final boss of that raid
and we kill him once more for what we presume is the last time
and as for why he was able to keep coming back, it was because his body was mostly cybernetics
hmmm
you know, Taniks is the Destiny equivalent to General Grievous
raw hazel
Dude did have a sick cape
dim minnow
both have four arms
both are cyborgs
both have sick capes
both hunt down high threat prey (Jedi and Guardians)
both are interested in the thrill of the battle
raw hazel
âVanguard Brask.. You ARE a bold one!â
dim minnow
During DSC
Guardians: "Hello There"
Taniks: "YOU MOTHERFUCKER! YOU KILLED ME TWICE!"
past glen
Kelgorath is the new taniks
raw hazel
Kelgorath wishes he were that cool
raw hazel
Heâs just a stubborn roach
fast tapir
Kelgorath wants to be taniks so bad
raw hazel
Every time we see him he gets squished
dim minnow
Kelgorath wants to be taniks so bad
Kelgorath already reached 3 deaths by us in a single season
and he currently has more confirmed deaths than Taniks
so far we only have 5 confirmed deaths for Taniks
raw hazel
Still nowhere near as cool tbh
dim minnow
Kelgorath meanwhile has 5 confirmed deaths from us and an unspecified amount from other Guardians (plus one from a Techeun)
dim minnow
is Nyx even reading this?
raw hazel
A likely storyâŠ
past glen
alright lets talk about the real lore
ya know that one thrall savathun explained her master plan to
where is it now and why is that thrall actually now kelgorath
sharp osprey
Lets call that dude Paul the Thrall
past glen
đ«Ą
hushed turtle
Do you guys have any links to good lore primers for each of the raids?
E.g. for VoG it would explain who the Vex are (milk people), the significance of the confluxes, the first Fireteam that discovered it and only one escaped, etcetera.
blazing wasp
Do you guys have any links to good lore primers for each of the raids?
E.g. for...
;lore
candid inletBOT
hushed turtle
Thank you
blazing wasp
Ignore destinypedia
hushed turtle
Ignore destinypedia
also why
blazing wasp
also why
Unreliable
Often edited by people to fit the narrative they want
Wrong or not
hushed turtle
copy thanks
trim grotto
also why
Destinypedia is why Eramis is named Eramis.
The original name, taken from an old dialogue piece, is actually Veekris. It was misheard and thus incorrectly entered as an entry.
Some Bungie folks went looking for a relatively unknown name to use for a Fallen antagonist, and bam
The issues with a publicly editable wiki is that it can, intentionally or not, succumb to things like headcanon or human error.
hushed turtle
question about the vex and the implications from the lore of the Ishtar collective.
Why does it matter if a single vex can perfectly simulate reality, you, and everyone in it? Why do your simulations matter?
especially so if all vex can do this, then why would saving those in that particular simulation matter if another vex is just going to walk by and simulate you 300 times just by looking at you?
empty fern
question about the vex and the implications from the lore of the Ishtar collecti...
Single vex? Arenât they usually part of a massive collective?
hushed turtle
Single vex? Arenât they usually part of a massive collective?
AFAIK, the vex are a microscopic hive mind of that milk fluid. So if you separated one vex construct from the network, and had a gallon of vex milk, it would have a quantifiable amount of processing power. Say, idk, "there's only 1 million organisms in a gallon of vex milk". Whereas if you connected that Vex construct to a Vex Conflux (a node in the Vex network) it would have access to the processing power of all the Vex connected to the network, i.e. quasi-infinite minds, or computing power.
So in the story of the Ishtar collective I believe they had captured 1 Vex. And that 1 Vex was able to simulate them ~200 something times. If the Vex was connected to the network you could argue they'd be simulated infinite times.
So my question is, if 1 Vex can look at you and assume the variables that calculate the universe, and perfectly simulate you an arbitrary but limited amount of timesâ why does that matter? Why must you "save" your simulation?
Is it the inherent assumption that there is a possibility that you might also be a simulation? And by that factor of possibility you should have the presupposed inclination to save your simulated self so that your non-simulated self would have the same inclination?
next bobcat
Whatâs the witnessâs symbol about? What does it represent and why are there variations on it?
empty fern
AFAIK, the vex are a microscopic hive mind of that milk fluid. So if you separat...
Are we talking about that vex unit in the vanilla d1 mission?
next bobcat
AFAIK, the vex are a microscopic hive mind of that milk fluid. So if you separat...
TL;DR please?
hushed turtle
TL;DR please?
Uhhh- I'm asking a question lol, not telling information
empty fern
Ughhhhh too long, gimme time stamp
hushed turtle
There's a story where scientists capture a Vex, and discover it is simulating them. And then they rescue their simulations from the Vex.
My question is why bother rescuing your simulation?
empty fern
There's a story where scientists capture a Vex, and discover it is simulating th...
You wouldnât want a clone of yourself?
hushed turtle
Lolâ I mean that's not why they rescued themselves. I think their answer in the narrative was "because the Vex controls their simulations and can torture them". But... how can you fundamentally care about that small number of your simulations when another Vex can just look at you and simulate you again.
empty fern
next bobcat
There's a story where scientists capture a Vex, and discover it is simulating th...
Thatâs why thereâs that Ishtar symbol I; the black garden right ??
jagged badge
What do you think âDo not disturbâ means smh
next bobcat
Do not disturb = DND = DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS MF
jagged badge
Eris do YOU know your vex lore?
Meh not really
I canât offer anything to this discussion
empty fern
Damn you ERIIIISS
next bobcat
I know a lil bit of vex stuff
empty fern
We need more than a little bit
next bobcat
I know enough to know to call bionicle
empty fern
Fair
But if you bring bion then for some magical reason, the convo gets hotter than usual
empty fern
Big if, he could be A LURKER
exotic cloak
There's no time traveler machines enjoyers available I see
empty fern
Indeed
hushed turtle
truly
empty fern
Itâs still early
blazing wasp
Cereal has chew requirement
empty fern
Cereal has chew requirement
Nuh uh
hushed turtle
Depends how hard ur teefs are
Guardians make their own fate
my chew is paracausal
empty fern
Probably
blazing wasp
Depends how hard ur teefs are
Are you implying you think the chassis, the metal part, is part of the vex itself
Do you also consider your clothes a part of your self? Your car? The bus you take?
blazing wasp
Even if that bus is populated by several people?
blazing wasp
https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-saint-xiv-gaming-punch-gif-17145845
I get knocked down, but I got up again
I get knocked down, but I got up again
I get knocked down, but I got up again
I get knocked down, but I got up again
hushed turtle
I'm implying that all of my teeth in every possible timeline are chewing the micro organisms in the vex radiolaric milk.
empty fern
Nothings gonna ever take me down
blazing wasp
I'm implying that all of my teeth in every possible timeline are chewing the mic...
Chewing is not required to consume the fluid
empty fern
I'm implying that all of my teeth in every possible timeline are chewing the mic...
Which vog member ingested radiolaria?
blazing wasp
Your water that you drink has organisms in it too
hushed turtle
aka biggy
empty fern
kabob
blazing wasp
Do you chew that too
hushed turtle
Your water that you drink has organisms in it too
water is cereal
blazing wasp
All liquid is cereal
hushed turtle
only aqueous solutions with suspended particles
empty fern
72% cereal in all humans
hushed turtle
aka vex milk
empty fern
(What if radiolaria wasnât a liquid, what if it was, heavy gas)
hushed turtle
Vex are the solute cereal within the milky milk.
empty fern
hushed turtle
leave him alone, he's getting soggy
empty fern
No he invited me in
hushed turtle
VoG is just a the box for the cereal change my mind
blazing wasp
Holy shit its the 4th disciple
empty fern
Holy shit its the 4th disciple
Be more fear, cause thereâs 8 MORE
Or however many were there
blazing wasp
Wait
A single goblin is millions, if not more, vex
Good lord
So many disciples at once
We are doomed!
hushed turtle
a single human body comprises of trillions of cells
blazing wasp
a single human body comprises of trillions of cells
Yea but the metal part of the goblin isn't a vex really
blazing wasp
It's more like clothes
hushed turtle
It's more like clothes
tru
blazing wasp
So like, a better analogy is that a currently in use hoodie contains one human (usually)
blazing wasp
They're liquid the same way water molecules are liquid
hushed turtle
blazing wasp
When they're not frozen nor gas
And water molecules in liquid form is, you guessed it
empty fern
Vex fr are just salty brain water
blazing wasp
Suspended in liquid
hushed turtle
Suspended in the water solution are silicoid cells, similar to protozoa.
blazing wasp
The vex in radiolaria is effectively liquid due to their size
hushed turtle
Right but
I'm saying
the protozoa are the cereal
not the vex silica robotic frames
blazing wasp
Cereal to you is relative
By technicality everything fluid or solid is cereal to your relative viewpoint
hushed turtle
No, lmao I'm saying what the Vex actually are microscopic organisms are the crunch
the liquid is the slurp
blazing wasp
They're too small to require crunch
But everything can be crunched
Even the air
One could argue you do nothing but crunch the air
But I wouldn't agree
hushed turtle
Their clothes are too big to crunch! Their protozoic microbial flush is too small to crunch! This guy is a cereal connoisseur!
blazing wasp
Their clothes are too big to crunch! Their protozoic microbial flush is too smal...
They have a soft spot you can extract this cereal from
Save for the hydras I assume
hushed turtle
đïž
blazing wasp
And maybe cyclopses
hushed turtle
I still think vex are cereal on the sole basis that i could pour em in a bowl and eat em with a spoon
Just like ol' Kabr intended
Vex are cereal confirmed
empty fern
AFAIK, the vex are a microscopic hive mind of that milk fluid. So if you separat...
Riddle me this
trim grotto
AFAIK, the vex are a microscopic hive mind of that milk fluid. So if you separat...
Well, they're not strictly a hive mind, for starters. Secondly...
ESI: You can't seriously - your OWN SELF -
SHIM: [profane] idiot. Think. Think. If it can run one simulation, maybe it can run more than one. And there will only ever be one reality. Play the odds.
DUANE-MCNIADH: Oh...uh oh.
SHIM: Odds are that we aren't our own originals. Odds are that we exist in one of the Vex simulations right now.
ESI: I didn't think of that.```Morning I have schlept for 5 hours which is bad but I am awake which is good
empty fern
Morning
chrome fog
There's a story where scientists capture a Vex, and discover it is simulating th...
Funnily enough thatâs the origin of the Ishtar Collective founders, one of whom is Maya Sundaresh
Her wife is Chioma Esi, who is featured in that snippet Mael posted and is the one narrating in the Veil Containment Logs
chrome fog
The scientists found 227 simulated copies of themselves within a singular Vex frame, and decided to emancipate those copies and send them out into the Vex Network, wherein they could communicate their findings back to the original selves
Remember Msund from that one Strike? A simulated copy of Maya Sundaresh (supposedly)
trim grotto
ESI: Unless you take a particularly ruthless approach to the problem of causal forks: yes. They are us.
SUNDARESH: Call a team meeting.
ESI: The other you has too.```
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-vex
`Vex 1` through 3 are the key entries for your query, @hushed turtle
They're what I got the quotes from
Anywho I'm off to sleep before work in the morning
Have fun folks
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```SUNDARESH: We're inside it. By any reasonable philosophical standard, we are ...
Gânight
hushed turtle
```SUNDARESH: We're inside it. By any reasonable philosophical standard, we are ...
thanks
and yeah I understood it
So from the POV of the Ghost Fragment, they were the simulation
trim grotto
They may well have been, for all they knew
hushed turtle
hmm
trim grotto
hushed turtle
shadow crypt
At the end of shadowkeep is that the witness talking to me?
empty fern
empty fern
At the end of shadowkeep is that the witness talking to me?
Mmmm yes
shadow crypt
Ty
remote sky
If cayde is alive in the traveller then theoretically reed is too
empty fern
If cayde is alive in the traveller then theoretically reed is too
What happened to reed again?
ember storm
Cayde only seems to be there because of Crow
remote sky
Womp womp
ember storm
no relation to Reed
empty fern
Osteo food?
ember storm
Witness
empty fern
Ohh
remote sky
Osteo food?
Whats an osteo
ember storm
poison smg from WQ
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creation and property of a warlock who lost her marbles after experimenting with the original thorn (also creator of necrotic grips)
remote sky
Hmm
ember storm
sheâs currently still at large and disemboweling people to âfeed her babyâ
remote sky
What's up with thorn, then?
ember storm
wdym
remote sky
sheâs currently still at large and disemboweling people to âfeed her babyâ
Oh wow
remote sky
Idfk what thorn is I've just seen it in collections every now and then
empty fern
Itâs a gun
ember storm
thorn was cursed by a hive witch using the bones of her dead mate
empty fern
Thatâs been through a lot
ember storm
it could devour light and permakill guardians with one bullet
empty fern
thorn was cursed by a hive witch using the bones of her dead mate
Hear me out, darkblade ornament for thorn
ember storm
it was then used in a massive murder spree by Dredgen yor
blazing wasp
thorn was cursed by a hive witch using the bones of her dead mate
The original thorn, mind you, not the one we get (excluding the one we turn into lumina)
remote sky
it could devour light and permakill guardians with one bullet
Christ
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only stopped because shin Malphur, the man with the golden gun, put him down in a duel
blazing wasp
Shin shot him mid monologue, no?
remote sky
Tell me about the rabbits, shin
ember storm
it was a cowboy standoff
glass olive
No one outdraws Shin Malphur
empty fern
Try Jade rabbits
ember storm
not assisted suicide
blazing wasp
Big iron on his hiiiip
ember storm
but would you like to hear about the rabbit embryo solely responsible for the creation of the awoken
remote sky
but would you like to hear about the rabbit embryo solely responsible for the cr...
I have heard of that one actually
empty fern
Or dog hive
remote sky
Puppies?!??!!!
empty fern
Oh no
remote sky
Spill
glass olive
There is a line Saint can say randomly though, that many Hunters tell him he's a slow draw but none are willing to test that claim. Could Saint give Shin a run for his money?
empty fern
No
remote sky
Archie #2??
remote sky
Beehives oh I thought it would be like
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which is partially hive
remote sky
Hive
remote sky
Hive doggy
empty fern
Just bees
blazing wasp
Bee hive hives
ember storm
you can also pick the breed of dog
sort of unrelated but do you know the last city thinks pineapples are a myth
glass olive
Well, who would want to eat a pine flavored apple?
remote sky
No fuckin way
glass olive
Yes. Ghost said as much on a mission on Titan before Beyond Light.
remote sky
you can also pick the breed of dog
Wait what? Specify
ember storm
you can pick the breed
remote sky
This implies pets??
remote sky
When??
remote sky
When could we have pets??
ember storm
as a single organism
exotic cloak
No more dogs
ember storm
the golden age is the time period between modern day (2014) and when the traveler helped humanity advance exponentially
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they were just regular things
people had them
mostly rich people probably
theyâre what Clovis bray considered a perfect gift for the granddaughter he doesnât love but wants to pretend he does
empty fern
Lina now
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Linaâs vowel
chrome fog
Valleybottom
empty fern
Tree post
empty fern
Traveler IS the sunlight
And everything else
The traveler is also the tree and the soil
ember storm
creating life out of thin air doesnât mean itâs going to survive
no sunlight, no rain, no oxygen
that fucker is rotting
empty fern
Rotten silver wing tree dungeon in final shape? Bungie hire me
empty fern
Holy shit
ember storm
use solar subclass or you die
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wiltness