📚lore-discussion

[buoyant gull]

I can’t receive the answer at the end of prophecy for some reason

[ember storm]

they’re tied to the life of the solar system and want to be freed from this limitation

[trim grotto]

The dungeon itself was the answer.

[ember storm]

they use Xur and the emissary as ways to interact with guardians

their answer is just light/darkness are the same, in their own eyes

which is what the whole dungeon is about

[buoyant gull]

Do we see other members

[ember storm]

you swap between getting light and darkness but they serve the same purpose

[buoyant gull]

Other than xur

[trim grotto]

We've never "seen" one of the Nine.

[ember storm]

he’s not a member

[trim grotto]

We have seen Xûr, the Agent of the Nine, and Orin, the Emissary of the Nine, but never one of the actual Nine.

[ember storm]

the emissary used to be an awoken guardian and xur is just like, some guy they got

[trim grotto]

The Nine are swirls of dark matter that formed loops due to the gravitational pulls of the Solar System and gained sentience due to the presence of conscious beings within the system. They're barely physical, they have no true body. They are everywhere and nowhere.

[ember storm]

we think he’s from some human settlements around Jupiter but it’s not confirmed

whether they all look like that, he has his own unique condition, or if he’s actually even one of them, we don’t know

the hunch thing is unrelated though

he’s just disfigured

[buoyant gull]

I’ve heard about trials of the nine does that tell anything or is it just a gamemode

[ember storm]

it was the introduction to the emissary

[trim grotto]

It is quite an old gamemode that hasn't been around for years.

[ember storm]

and just a replacement for trials of Osiris when D2 released

now totn is gone and Osiris is back

[buoyant gull]

I’ve only heard about it because of the famous shader

[trim grotto]

The simple explanation for the Trials of the Nine is that they were testing our skill and capabilities

[buoyant gull]

Who is the face at the end of prophecy I thought it was another member of the nine

[buoyant gull]

Makes sense

[ember storm]

emissary

[trim grotto]

The Emissary, who was once Orin.

[eager trout]

Wait, are they Nine because there's nine large objects in the Solar System?

[ember storm]

it doesn’t really matter

[chrome fog]

Well you’re not wrong but also the chemical materials used in the reaction are generally more stable than what you’d conventionally think; but yes, there has probably been enough time that has passed that the half-life of uranium and other nuclear payloads have been reached, resulting in the decomposition of those materials

Also morning y’all

[buoyant gull]

That would make sense tho

[trim grotto]

Not explicitly, but there is a connection to be made.
However, The Nine aren't strictly the planetary bodies themselves. It is simply the gravitational mass of these combined bodies that gives them form.

[chrome fog]

They’re sentient space dust, at the very least that’s the most plausible origin that they’ve given us in their lorebook

[eager trout]

Yeah, and since there's nine large bodies, which have the stronger gravity out of all the objects in the System, that's why there's nine.

[ember storm]

they formed in the wake of the solar system

it’s not like you’re actually talking to the planet mars or whatever

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

[eager trout]

That's not an origin, it's just a "what"

[eager trout]

I know that

[ember storm]

I wasn’t personally talking to you

[trim grotto]

Perhaps. There isn't an explicit connection, just a possible logical link.

[exotic cloak]

Honestly I thought Orin was Uldren when I saw an image of Prophecy

[trim grotto]

They were already ancient when the first human beings named themselves. Their flesh was older than stars: the dark dust wind that blows through the galaxy, pinched by the gravity of Sol and its planets, drawn into their cores and exhaled again.

These were the Nine.

In time loops did form. Great arcs of outbound dust collapsed back to their sources to create circuits of shadow. The thickening and thinning of these circuits were the first thoughts of the Nine. They dwelt in massive indifference, unborn primordial gods. There was no force among them except gravity; no structure except the distribution of mass. Their hearts were in the cores of worlds, but their farthest streams faded out into the turn of the galaxy.

They were the fountains of Achlys, the night before chaos.

But life arose on the worlds at the heart of the Nine, tiny complicated motions of ecosystems and metabolisms and computations. That life left mass-shadows in the wind of the Nine, plucking at them like harp strings. From these trembles of structure the Nine learned to seed enormous resonating waves, thoughts vaster than worlds.

So the Nine awoke. And in time they understood that they were as fragile as they were mighty; for if the life that seeded their thoughts ever passed away, they too would vanish.```

[buoyant gull]

Prophecy is such a good dungeon tho

Maybe even the best

[ember storm]

it’s annoying sometimes

but all endgame is annoying

[buoyant gull]

Don’t Pepe react me

[exotic cloak]

That's kinda the point, and best dungeon is

[chrome fog]

It quite literally contains an entry in which the Nine give possible origins to their existence

[exotic cloak]

No idea I just played four lol

[ember storm]

the best dungeon is the least annoying

which I’d say goes to

probably WR

[buoyant gull]

Warlords ruin isn’t annoying ?????????

[eager trout]

Exactly

[exotic cloak]

I mean

[chrome fog]

Anyways

[buoyant gull]

GOATS of the deep on top

[empty fern]

“Any and all taken are a husk of their former selves”

[chrome fog]

Thank you Nexus

[exotic cloak]

Something has to be alive to taken

[chrome fog]

Either that or space dust coalesced into the shape of those husks

[trim grotto]

*usually

[chrome fog]

Which the Nine did

[buoyant gull]

What’s the origin of the taken

[exotic cloak]

I was asking but forgot the ?

[ember storm]

they got taked

[empty fern]

Witness delivery

[ember storm]

anyway

[exotic cloak]

So Oryx pretty much captured a bunch of enemies and took then?

[trim grotto]

There have been a small handful of exceptions

[empty fern]

The vex are cruel BUT

[ember storm]

in deep there were a few taken bosses that were previous dead and not taken bosses

but I’m willing to excuse that

[trim grotto]

Also back on Io

To open the Whisper portal

[ember storm]

that’s because Xol has necromancy

[trim grotto]

*probably

[ember storm]

and seemingly the power to take

my assumption is the ones from deep were also his

and ownership just transferred over to Xivu as it does

[empty fern]

Did xol get necromancy from nokris? Or other way around

[ember storm]

Nokris got it from Xol

[trim grotto]

anywho i'm about to die from illness so goodnight

[ember storm]

it’s why he’s a heretic

[empty fern]

Ah

[buoyant gull]

[empty fern]

Speaking of heretics

[ember storm]

not only did he directly commune with a worm god (something only the osmium court are supposed to do)

he engaged in necromancy

very cringe

[empty fern]

Did xivu mention savathun a heretic for using the light?

[ember storm]

directly im not sure and dont care enough to check

[empty fern]

[ember storm]

but it is why she was so excited about Eris becoming a new hive god

new sister that actually embodies sword logic

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/banished-destiny-2-hive-season-of-the-witch-eris-morn-gif-7589308504273255479

Also

[ember storm]

yeah and then that happened

[empty fern]

Found a funny when looking through gifs

[ember storm]

in summary hive are cringe

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-season-of-the-haunted-witch-queen-darkness-eris-morn-gif-26452275

Get rotated

[ember storm]

I mean it probably wasn’t fun for her

like actual agony

[buoyant gull]

I wonder what will happen after light and darkness saga ends

[ember storm]

real estate broking

[buoyant gull]

Destiny 3 is allegedly being worked on under the codename payback

And what about marathon

[empty fern]

No, ignore those rumors

[empty fern]

It’ll come out at some point

[buoyant gull]

But tfs won’t be the end of destiny

[empty fern]

Yes

[buoyant gull]

Then d3 will come out someday

[empty fern]

No

[buoyant gull]

Are they just gonna make d2 forever

[empty fern]

Maybe

[buoyant gull]

I think a fresh start would be much better since d2 is kinda getting old

The engine is showing its age

[empty fern]

Play d1

[buoyant gull]

And probably even limiting the devs

Also d2 is not welcoming to new players

I think a fresh start would be much healthier for the lifespan of destiny as a franchise

[empty fern]

🐟

[buoyant gull]

If destiny ends there won’t be any alternatives

And if the rumors about d3 are true what could payback mean

[trim grotto]

I haven't heard any single rumours about D3 that aren't just people saying "gee willikers i wish we had D3"

[buoyant gull]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/04/10/report-bungie-is-likely-developing-destiny-3-codename-payback/

This article is probably bs

But there could also be some truth to it

[trim grotto]

This is looking a little bit too much like leaks for me to be interested in reading it.

[exotic cloak]

Look

If Bungie didn't explicitly said it

[trim grotto]

And if it is, then it's against the rules and needs deleting.

[exotic cloak]

Is not true

[buoyant gull]

[exotic cloak]

Leaks are dumn

[buoyant gull]

But it’s gonna happen at some point tfs is not the end of destiny

[exotic cloak]

Rumors even dumber

Wait to Bungie or any company to say the actual words

[trim grotto]

I have absolutely zero interest in humouring a discussion based around leaks.

[exotic cloak]

[buoyant gull]

I hope marathon is good

In loving the aesthetics and the artstyle of the trailer

[exotic cloak]

A lot of times is not even leaks is just some random dude talking shit

Is really infuriating see a lot of the actual press talking about it, worst, talking about like it is true

[trim grotto]

Well, they've got a pretty solid foundation for the universe already - given it has a bunch of lore and a trilogy of games for it already.

So, there's that.

[exotic cloak]

"Destiny 3 is on development"

At the bottom of the article is the moment they say some dude on Reddit said

[buoyant gull]

Bungie doesn’t have a bad game so

Marathon won’t flop I’m sure 👍

[trim grotto]

I agree actually
People give Destiny a lot of shit but a very widely agreed upon point is that the gunplay feels solid

So a game that isn't shackled to this form of live service and can focus on movement and gunplay...

[gentle geyser]

Keep in mind its an extraction shooter

[trim grotto]

so is Helldivers 2
that's doing pretty well

so is Deep Rock Galactic, for that matter

[ember storm]

is extraction shooter defined just by the escape sequence

I don’t know what it means

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

Extraction shooters are awesome

I loved DMZ when that was a thing

Best thing cod had in years and they just stopped supporting it

Such a shame

[buoyant gull]

Not exactly

You infil and do the stuff that you gotta do (missions, looting etc.) and then you try to exfil to keep your stuff

If you die you lose your stuff and you’ll have to regain

It’s PvPvE

[gentle geyser]

No it isn’t

[buoyant gull]

It kinda is to some extent

[gentle geyser]

Helldivers doesn’t fall into the actual classification of extraction shooter that marathon is

[buoyant gull]

You gotta exfil with your samples and shit

I wouldn’t call it an extraction shooter but it has some elements

[gentle geyser]

Its also a pve co-op game

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

Just some elements

[gentle geyser]

Straight up marathon seems really cool but its an extraction shooter

[buoyant gull]

Is that a bas thing

[gentle geyser]

That potentially limits the playerbase

[buoyant gull]

Extraction shooters are the next battle royale

The next big thing

[gentle geyser]

Personally I hate extraction shooters, but on top of that its gonna be more so about pvp than pve most likely

[gentle geyser]

Exactly

[buoyant gull]

Why do you hate extraction shooters

[buoyant gull]

Not necessarily

Kinda depends on you

If you don’t want pvp just avoid real players

If it’s anything like DMZ it’s gonna be a slam dunk trust me

[gentle geyser]

Its the exact same thing as a battle royal but requires significantly more attention and losing costs you, which isn’t bad in concept except it doesn’t work for most games, especially if its bungies next big title

Im interested in the lore that it’ll bring

But thats about it

[buoyant gull]

It’s not really like a battle royale but okay I get it you aren’t interested

[gentle geyser]

Im not saying it is, Im comparing it in gameplay loop, unlike a battle royal you have to actually put thought in

Plus like battleroyals, there are like 50 Extraction shooters in development rn

Its exploding in popularity and its gonna overflow the market and people won’t care

[buoyant gull]

I’m sure bungie is cooking as we speak

[gentle geyser]

I don’t doubt that, I doubt the longevity

[buoyant gull]

They always innovate I’m sure they will not make an extraction shooters with sci if reskin

[blazing wasp]

D2 will probably live until a competitor shows up

And with today's companies? No way

They're waaaay too scared to try that

[buoyant gull]

It doesn’t necessarily have to be hardcore and super difficult like tarkov

DMZ was more casual and it was so damn good

[blazing wasp]

I have severely misunderstood the topic

[gentle geyser]

D2 ain’t going to have a competitor lmao, not now or within awhile

[buoyant gull]

Yeah cuz every big studio is making extraction shooters and battle royales

[gentle geyser]

Yeah and it died because they did minor updates to it every 3 months and cod movement made it un enjoyable for casually playing

[gentle geyser]

Tarkov is popular because of it being hardcore, thats why it succeeds

[buoyant gull]

It was the best thing cod ever made in the past decade

[buoyant gull]

But it’s not for the casual players thats why it has a limited playerbase

[exotic cloak]

Being not friendly to the casuals is pretty much why a game die

[blazing wasp]

(Cough cough helldivers)

[buoyant gull]

MW II movement was perfect for the more tactical gameplay of DMZ imo

[exotic cloak]

Wait that thing is hardcore?

[blazing wasp]

Helldivers has some easy casual missions but it's absolutely not catered towards that

[buoyant gull]

Marathon will not be like tarkpv tho

[exotic cloak]

Seeing gameplay and images I thought it was

Pretty standard

Glad to heard that though

[blazing wasp]

Also it absolutely doesn't try to be for everyone

It explicitly says so

[buoyant gull]

It will more likely be more casual and forgiving like DMZ

[blazing wasp]

"A game for everyone is a game for no-one"

[blazing wasp]

In harder difficulties you're swarmed with enemies that can 1shot you and resist like 80% of your guns unless you shoot the crit spot

[buoyant gull]

But there are easier options for the casuals

An extraction shooter can’t have an easy mode

[blazing wasp]

Helldivers is a extraction shooter, but I see what you mean

[buoyant gull]

It’s not but I see what you mean

It has extraction shooter elements but that’s it

You extract samples that’s all

[blazing wasp]

No it literally is, but it's not a pvp extraction shooter like tarkov is

But the very "dropping in, do thing, extract from mission" is extraction shooter

It's a broader genre than tarkov makes it seem like

[buoyant gull]

Yeah I guess you do have a point

[blazing wasp]

But your point was tarkovs type of extraction shooter

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

[blazing wasp]

So my point is mute anyway

And I mean

You can have a degree of difficulty

That you can change

Maps

But that's about it

[buoyant gull]

No your point makes sense but it’s not the kind of extraction shooters I’m talking about

Maybe once extraction shooters grow it will have its own sub-genres

[blazing wasp]

Pvp extraction shooters

Or pvp focused

Like tarkov

[buoyant gull]

But it’s not PvP only

Pve too

[gentle geyser]

Tarkovs main reason of why its still popular is because of how hardcore it is

[buoyant gull]

Or maybe because it’s the first of its kind and some people are into the realism

What I’m trying to say is that marathon will probably try to appeal to a casual fanbase too because bungie has to make money

[gentle geyser]

Tarkov just a year or two ago had an extremely high cheater count that absolutely ravaged the game and if Im not mistaken still does

Dmz was popular because it was free to play and was cod

[buoyant gull]

What does that have to do with what I said

[gentle geyser]

Look at the actual reason these games are popular

Its because they have something actually going for them

[buoyant gull]

If DMZ was anything like tarkov a lot less people would be playing it because DMZ is more chill

[gentle geyser]

Mf your just ignoring my shit Im just done talking to you

[buoyant gull]

I’m not

[gentle geyser]

Off topic anyways

Go back to lore

[buoyant gull]

But DMZ isn’t popular just because it’s cod

It’s good that’s why

I get it, it was shit at beginning but with updates and stuff it became very fun and engaging

@gentle geyser

You should have given it a proper go

[buoyant gull]

Agreed

[chrome fog]

We have the Episodes after Final Shape, which seems to be the model Bungie will be adopting for the future (though that part is speculative). Considering that is directly revealed by Bungie as opposed to a Forbes article citing a Reddit post as their source, it’s more likely D2 will continue receiving service from Bungie while they start working on other projects such as Marathon and whatever else they may be developing, which at the moment we are not legally privy to and should not be prying into via leaks or whatnot

[buoyant gull]

👍

Thank you for the explanation

[chrome fog]

Anyways rabbit embryo

[buoyant gull]

What does that even mean

[chrome fog]

#📚lore-discussion message

[buoyant gull]

Source?

[jagged badge]

Marasenna

[ember storm]

let’s just go off the list here

rabbit embryo, doghive, cow thing

[analog torrent]

Other than The Liar, A Man With No Name, and that Titan who immediately had to fight a group of Cabal, is there lore that covers the first time a guardian is rezzed?

[buoyant gull]

Doghive… Explain

[thorny scarab]

So what happened to Sjur Eido

Everyone seems to talk about her a lot

[buoyant gull]

I had the exact funko pop in your profile

[chrome fog]

Ghost stories has a handful, including Cayde’s

[chrome fog]

Doghive.

[chrome fog]

We have little direct details as to what happened, which is surprising considering this was a nigh Amazonian Awoken woman who used the og Wishender - I believe we have a smaller, weaker one, the original had much larger bolts and required a greater amount of pull strength, I think Shaxx struggled to draw the string back - and was able to befriend or at least tame two Ahamkara until the time of the Great Hunt.

How a woman like that dating Mara Sov could disappear, we don’t know yet

[chrome fog]

From Seth, the guy that wrote basically a majority of the mythos of Destiny, author of Unveiling and I believe the Books of Sorrow https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1119631517287727225/1216769849447944292/Screenshot_20221217_183950_Edge-1.png?ex=6626823a&is=66140d3a&hm=d35fa1f70ffb7b0dc89a70dda2d7c6f9a767974ba4d78d63f513ee9e2b545533&

Doghive is also mentioned somewhere in Clovis Bray’s entries, which is what the Reddit comment is probably referencing

[buoyant gull]

Thanks for the explanation now I know what the doghive is

[chrome fog]

I did some sketches 🥰
#📚lore-discussion message
#📚lore-discussion message

[buoyant gull]

That’s nice I like the second one better

Trays and shi

[chrome fog]

We also have the cowthing from Marasenna - basically the origins of the Awoken (and by extension Mara) - she and her mom visit some commanding officer of some sort who adds milk to their tea sourced from a “cowthing”

#📚lore-discussion message

[buoyant gull]

[thorny scarab]

So she just… disappeared? Really?

[thorny scarab]

Neat

It’s my favorite

[buoyant gull]

It’s a good one

[chrome fog]

OoooOOo wait for the inevitable Awoken Episode

If there's no elaboration on something, it can and will be picked up in the future to be, well, elaborated upon in a focused expansion

[thorny scarab]

So, about those “episodes” I’ve heard that there’s a vex one and a hive one, but what’s the third one?

Or is it confirmed to be an Awoken thing

[chrome fog]

Scorn

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[empty fern]

Lotta exotic
LOTTA exotics during and after final shake

Can’t wait

[chrome fog]

We need to pin this for discussions regarding continued story after Final Shape

[buoyant gull]

These are the final shape seasons?

Looks sick

[empty fern]

Yea

[thorny scarab]

Ngl I can’t believe we’re on the last season

[chrome fog]

They are moving away from the seasonal model, they presented Episodes as the new approach

[buoyant gull]

What’s the difference

[empty fern]

Read the images

3 acts per episode

[buoyant gull]

Same thing but acts

Except for weekly stuff

Correct me if I’m wrong instead of pepe reacting me

[empty fern]

You are wrong but I can’t say how yet

So more pepe

[buoyant gull]

What’s the difference tho

[empty fern]

Can’t say

[thorny scarab]

As someone who isn’t in the position to correct anyone on anything, Pepe reacting is the way

[buoyant gull]

It’s just seasonal quests but split into story arcs from what I’m seeing

[thorny scarab]

We will know when we see

[thorny scarab]

Also, was this image released before FS was delayed?

[empty fern]

Mmmmmaybe

[thorny scarab]

I ask because

If it wasn’t, then ig we are waiting from June to March of 2025 to have new destiny content

[chrome fog]

Adjustment for how long the story goes on, don't believe we have a set amount of time these episodes last but might not be the same as the seasons, yadda yadda yadda

[chrome fog]

Before; articles presenting that diagram Bungie provided came out in the middle of summer last year and the delay was only announced in November judging from an IGN article as first google result

And it's very likely that the first episode will launch alongside the Final Shape expansion

[thorny scarab]

Bruh we’re gonna be swimming in content

[chrome fog]

Well the expansion will only have the campaign and raid I believe, with often the seasonal content being supplemental after expansions

But yes we will be swimming in content, as is the focus of Episodes

[thorny scarab]

Well the expansion looks epic, and isn’t the raid going to be super long?

[analog torrent]

Thanks for the rec 🙏 just read it

One of my favorite lorebooks. The uniqueness of every perspective shown in here is 💯💯💯

Especially that dark age warlord who got drunk off the power and got ditched by his ghost

[eager trout]

Please tell me Prismatic is obtained in the first campaign mission, and that the first campaign mission will be available for everyone, along with the Pale Heart

[ember storm]

looks like it from the video

as in start in the first mission

which is what happened with strand

meaning it probably won’t be free

[thorny scarab]

Well, the first campaign mission will probably be free. It’d be a shocker if it wasn’t

Just like it’s be a shocker if Bungie allowed something as nice, and such a good sales opportunity, like prismatic to be free

Though the pale heart will likely be open to explore

[chrome fog]

Mmmmmmmm

[eager trout]

Considering how OP Prismatic can be, it would be unfair for those who don't have it to go against people who do in the Crucible and such

And from the trailer, it looks like you'll get Prismatic early on

[chrome fog]

Keeping Prismatic behind the expansion will incentivize more purchases for players wanting to experience it

But allowing early experience of it in the first mission will allow a taste of it

[empty fern]

I do wonder what the final mission will be after the worlds first raid

[thorny scarab]

As someone who was stuck getting non-stop suspended, grappled, and threadling-ed before I got lightfall, I can assure you that “fairness” is not a word in Bungie’s language

[rustic isle]

Will it be possible to have the witness as a final boss in TFS campaign or raid

[chrome fog]

It’s in the Raid, just like Kingsfall

[rustic isle]

Would bungie give out a trophy for the first people completing the raid

[chrome fog]

They… would

They do a World’s First competition every time

[chrome fog]

And there’s still ways to deal with Strand guardians, like as much as a suspend grenades can get you out of nowhere, Strand kits require you to be near any surface or getting up close to you

[velvet flax]

Definitely in the raid but there is also the possibility they can also be fought in the campaign, similarly to Oryx in The Taken King

[thorny scarab]

Fair

[dim minnow]

given what we know, the Witness will be fought in the raid first and most likely in the final campaign mission which we believe is unlocked after the raid is completed

[velvet flax]

This fact makes me wonder if The Final Shape campaign will still be 8 missions long (including the potential post-raid one)

[eager trout]

Well, Stasis and Strand may be OP, but they're still similar to the Light subclasses in terms of power. But Prismatic is too OP in comparison.

[dim minnow]

first 7 missions - raid - last mission

as far as I'm aware, Bungie confirmed that the campaign is the ususal 8 missions

[velvet flax]

Yeah I imagine thats what it will be. I hope the last mission is just the Witness fight (with no added padding)

[thorny scarab]

Eventually, after its original period, it will probably be brought down to size with the other classes

[chrome fog]

I mean it already has a limited set of aspects and other stuff making it so that it's not entirely broken

[raw hazel]

And even then, it’s not like they’re taking the best aspects, etc from every other subclass and stitching them together.

[chrome fog]

Best is somewhat subjective considering it's clear some aspects opt into a specific build more so than others and each player will be more inclined towards one build than another, but ye

[fallow sky]

I've been a bit out of the lore for awhile, do we know for sure what the final shape is yet?

[dim minnow]

ehhh

[thorny pelican]

Thank you

[analog torrent]

Nah

Triton Vice states that the final shape = carcinization but it’s a meme loretab

“Crabs, obviously! The perfect organism! The form toward which all life inevitably converges!”

Why were there no lorebooks between ttk and forsaken?

[thorn plover]

Ok ive never really thought to ask about this but who exactly is the woman who gave the drifter the huge asteroid or whatever from the nine and I know she's the giant lady who talks to xur but like who is she

She honestly comes off as definitely more powerful than the traveler and maybe even the witness to me atleast

[jagged badge]

Why do you get that impression?

Because it’s completely off lmao

[thorn plover]

She just comes off that way to me from the cutscenes that they've shown us it's hard to explain

[jagged badge]

She’s the Emissary of the Nine. Used to be a Guardian Drifter knew called Orin

[thorn plover]

I mean ye the traveler like disintegrated being like gauhl and stuff like that and the witness cut into the traveler but she just attaches a hole ass other plain of existence or whatever to the drifters ship and whatever else she's prolly done that I can't remember off the top of my head

[jagged badge]

The Nine giving Drifter the Haul isn’t really the massive, impressive feat you seem to think it is

The Haul basically just allowed Drifter to do Gambit, and then allowed us to go into the Nine’s realm in Prophecy

[thorn plover]

Ye but the haul looks like it's being torn from the fast expanse of space

[jagged badge]

The Nine are bound by causality though. They’ve attempted to use paracausal powers like Light and Darkness to help themselves before because they are limited

[thorn plover]

And to just attach that to a ship like cmon

[jagged badge]

[thorn plover]

Idk she just came off as some extremely powerful being that caught my interest

[jagged badge]

She has cool lore but she’s definitely not some mega powerful being

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-ecdysis?highlight=Ecdysis

There’s a book on Orin/Nasya/Nasan Ar/the Emissary

[rich veldt]

nah just tied it down with some ratchet straps and it wont go anywhere

[chrome fog]

It is wholly dependent on the individual, whom defined what the Final Shape is to them; it as image of how the universe should be

[spiral crane]

Did individual nations exist in the golden age

And if so was it the same ones from today

[chrome fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

The K-1 Colony in the moon was primarily Chinese I believe?

[jagged badge]

Some did

There are also things we know of such as the North American Empire

[ember storm]

it’s a giant rock with a wormhole in the middle

literally just a haul tied to drifter’s ship

[gentle pendant]

Source

[ember storm]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-tenth-avatar?highlight=American

[jagged badge]

"Some American you are," Mia teases him. David comes from the North American Empire, Earth's biggest voluntary retro-nationalist republic, full of people who love military pageantry and muscular aerospace displays.

[gentle geyser]

Need myself muscular aerospace displays

[chrome fog]

Mmmm there’s Two Kinds I think of but I am Good Boy and shut trap

[solar pawn]

not so fun fact
you were being spied on in Destiny 2 by a group of gardians led by ikora ray your gardian is on the list of suspects along with eramis and oryx there are others but I do not care to remember them ( sry if I spelled anything wrong )

[thorn plover]

Lol wtf

[gentle geyser]

Bro watched the youtube short

[solar pawn]

fair enough but I just wanted to share it in case someone didn't see it or knew it :]

[chrome fog]

Himdenm mmmmm

They is coworker people you work with for the Edge Exptic Glaives

[solar pawn]

ᐠ( ᐛ )ᐟ

[ember storm]

not suspects

the vanguard just has a list of important persons

we are an important person

oryx was also an important person

as a fun reference bungie had the id numbers listed as 2014 and 2015 respectively

[chrome fog]

Heh, years of appearance for each respectively (The Guardian was First Rezzed in 2014 with the launch of Destiny, Oryx made his appearance in Taken King expansion in 2015)

[ember storm]

although his first name drop was in dark below

[solar pawn]

:3

lolz

[jagged badge]

That’s…not exactly true

[solar pawn]

?

[chrome fog]

Waltz already did the correction

[jagged badge]

Yeah

The Hidden aren’t spying on us and we aren’t “suspects” in some mysterious, nefarious way

The Hidden gather intelligence for the Vanguard, and as an important figure in pretty much every recent event, we get VIP status

There was one time we actually were a suspect of the Hidden though

That’s when one Aunor Mahal investigated our potential involvement in the death of Cayde-6

That was just her doing her job and leaving no stone unturned and all that

[eager trout]

They know what you did

[chrome fog]

To an extent yes, they do spy on suspects, but they do that to all important people

[solar pawn]

uhhhh i have no idea what you mean
i'm innocent

[eager trout]

The Guardian who's been turning enemies into weapons and using banned weapons:

[eager trout]

You know what you did

[chrome fog]

You turn like 3 things into guns

[solar pawn]

[eager trout]

Not to mention the use of Darkness (and being able to use it naturally without help from anything)

[shadow crypt]

Did Shaxx have a wife?

[trim grotto]

Let's see... Oryx's heart, at both his and Eris's desire... and what else? 1K did that itself, Hierarchy was Soteria's choice... Whisper was Xol's choice...

[solar pawn]

i did not explode those 20 pyramid ships because I was bored I promise

[trim grotto]

It's a joke about Crimson Days and The Vow

[trim grotto]

Stasis required a lot of help including a Splinter and Strand killed us a dozen times

[eager trout]

Shaxx is married to the Crucible

[solar pawn]

tbh if The Crucible was a real thing he would probably marry it

[eager trout]

Yeah, but eventually we were able to use them unaided

[trim grotto]

Yes, as can everyone else.

[eager trout]

Pretty sure that in the case of Stasis, you need the tech from House of Salvation

[trim grotto]

You don't require anything. We learned it via a Splinter, but that's just training wheels.

Anyone can use it without anything, eventually.

Just look at Eris Morn and Drifter and Elsie Bray

2/3 aren't Lightbearers and none have Salvation tech

[jagged badge]

And then thousands of Guardians after us learn to wield Stasis just the same

[trim grotto]

Or heck
The Scorn

[chrome fog]

Taken Knights

I think; there's another enemy which uses Stasis but I don't remember

[shadow warren]

I think hobgobs throw stasis grenades

Acolytes and hobgoblins actually

Pretty sure they both can have stasis weapons

[analog torrent]

Is there any info about whether we're going to see Jolyon in-game or not?

[jagged badge]

There’s nothing to suggest we would

[analog torrent]

Baited by the radio message

[eager trout]

Half of Witch Queen is just our Ghost being racist towards Hive Ghosts

[gentle geyser]

Based

[analog torrent]

"Here's the thing," he says. "No."

Petra is trying to hide the hurt in her expression. Watching her is exhausting, so Jolyon keeps his eye pressed to his sniper scope.

"I thought you would want to see it."

"Why? He's dead. He died a long time before you shot him. Or if you didn't," Jolyon says, as if Petra flinched, "you helped that Guardian do it."

What is Petra asking him to see? This tab was released in Forsaken, don't think Crow was in the cards at the time

[raw hazel]

I would assume Uldren’s body

[analog torrent]

Ah
Damn that's cold lol, figured it wasn't Uldren's body because she referred to it as an "it"

[eager trout]

I mean, the corpse is an it

[ember ginkgo]

Why the hell is Ikora randomly on my ass, spouting voice lines about my supposed wavering loyalty to the Vanguard???

[dim minnow]

because you are loyal to the Vanguard

[dim minnow]

you sure she didn't say "unwavering"?

which interaction was this?

[ember ginkgo]

https://youtu.be/2xy1MuZCrmg?si=V5fHVJiTKGN5qUbo

[dim minnow]

huh

[ember ginkgo]

theres a better one updated

WHAT DID I DO, SENORA REY?

[dull raft]

In fairness we do defy orders alot

[ember ginkgo]

but i get the job done

FOR the vanguard

[trim grotto]

Bit of a long story
Short answer is, it shouldn't exist for you

When Ikora's VA was replaced, the new VA remade all of the old idles

[dull raft]

While i agree, i don't think Big Blue and formerly crazy shotgun lady exactly see eye to eye with you

[ember ginkgo]

is this from a season i wasnt here for?

[trim grotto]

This included the old Season of the Drifter lines back when we could choose to side with Aunor Mahal or Drifter

Back when Forsaken dropped

[ember ginkgo]

omg

daaaamn

[trim grotto]

So if you chose Drifter

She'd use this line

This was an experiment long, long abandoned, and hasn't been relevant for years

[ember ginkgo]

idk who the other guy is, but chances are i would choose Drifter

[trim grotto]

She shouldn't be using this line at all these days but the idle wasn't correctly tagged

[ember ginkgo]

dang

they gotta disable that shit, i was getting so upset with her when i was doing Witch Queen

[trim grotto]

Aunor Mahal? She's a Praxic Warlock, and member of the Hidden. She investigated Cayde's death, and at this time was investigating Drifter for his connection to the Darkness and Taken and some murders.

[ember ginkgo]

hmmmm

[dull raft]

i still think it's valid, considering we have done quite a few things that the vanguard told us not to do, such as going to Europa and using Stasis, avenging Cayde (even though Ikora supported us on that, technically) a

[ember ginkgo]

did we ever see this Warlock?

[dim minnow]

not ingame

[trim grotto]

Not physically, no. But she's been around the block. Met Drifter, Shin Malphur, arrested Sola Scar, dealt with multiple corrupted Guardians, so on.

[ember ginkgo]

i would call that insubordination rather than wilting loyalty. Everything we do is for The Last City

[trim grotto]

Treat the line like it doesn't exist, officially

It hasn't been relevant for years

[ember ginkgo]

interesting, thank you for clearing that up. been driving me nuts

[spiral crane]

Do the disciples of the witness believe in his desire to impose meaning on the universe

Or are they just serving him just because

[dim minnow]

as far as we know, each Disciple has their own conflicting view of what the Final Shape actually is

[spiral crane]

So how would that mesh with the witness wanting what he wants?

[dim minnow]

and the Witness isn't very keen on telling them what it really is (assuming that even the Witness itself truly knows)

[spiral crane]

Wouldn’t they have to betray each other r

Eventually

[spiral crane]

Why wouldn’t he tell them

[dim minnow]

because the Witness would rather let them assume that it intends on giving them what they want

[spiral crane]

Do we know what they each want?

[dim minnow]

I some of them want the FInal Shape like Rhulk

but Rhulk believes that the key component to it is getting as many people to serve the Witness as possible

more efficient to recruit than to simply destroy

others like Calus just want to be elevated

[spiral crane]

Why tf isn’t my phone charger working

[dim minnow]

though Calus does have his own ideas on the FInal Shape that being the end of everything

[spiral crane]

It was working fine yesterday

[spiral crane]

And the witness doesn’t believe in that?

[dim minnow]

is it not connecting with the phone itself properly?

[spiral crane]

No everything is connected properly

It’s just not charging

[dim minnow]

hmmm

anyways

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-cave#book-inspiral

this entry provides some good insight

[peak kite]

Same happened to me 3 days ago 😭 bought a 7th phone charger

[spiral crane]

I’ve like never experienced this before

What phone do u have

[peak kite]

Samsung S23 ultra

[dim minnow]

I suppose the best way to explain it is that the Witness doesn't really care about its disciples, it just wants useful pawns

[spiral crane]

usb c?

[peak kite]

like ion, the charging cable just stops working sometimes

[peak kite]

Yupp

[dim minnow]

and to do that the Witness does some manipulating to coerce them into servitude like Rhulk

[spiral crane]

If might be because I’m using a computer charger 💀

[peak kite]

Oh erm..

[spiral crane]

Although it’s worked great up until now

[spiral crane]

USB C is a usb C 🤷

[spiral crane]

Does rhulk care?

[peak kite]

I mean yeah and that shouldnt cause an issue tbh

[spiral crane]

I might just need to change it out

That sucks I’ve had this charger for awhile

[dim minnow]

well Rhulk does because he thinks the Witness cares about him

[spiral crane]

That’s kind of sad

Justice for rhulk 🔥

[peak kite]

Def def

[dim minnow]

nah, mans is a psychopath

[peak kite]

I see some daddy issues tbh

[spiral crane]

U said he cares about his disiples

Sounds chill to me

[spiral crane]

Same

[dim minnow]

no, I said the Witness doesn't care abotu them

[spiral crane]

When I asked if rhulk cared i meant did rhulk actually care about his disciples

Or see them like pawns

Like the witness

[trim grotto]

Rhulk didn't have Disciples

He was a Disciple

[peak kite]

no cuz like also calus, "witness i failed you" voice line or smfh

[dim minnow]

it is implied he elevated Nezarec to one though

but I think Rhulk has a similar attitude towards his own servants

[trim grotto]

Sure but that's like a Knight knighting a... Knight.

[peak kite]

mhmm

[dim minnow]

though maybe he wasn't entirely uncaring

it's just he saw them as pawns like himself

[peak kite]

anyways imma go check the d2 clan lists or smth

[spiral crane]

Why would anyone serve the witness in the first place

He doesn’t seem like the most stable dude

[dim minnow]

the Witness is as I said very manipulative

and the people the Witness recruits aren't the most mentally sound people

like Rhulk who skinned a family pet when he was a kid and later wiped out his entire species

keep in mind the Witness didn't even do much to coerce Rhulk at that point

sure it gave him the power he needed to do that stuff, but it wasn't until after the deed was done that the Witness started gaslighting him into thinking it was a good thing

then there's Calus who is a massive hedonist

not to mention everything else he did

and all the Witness did to coerce him pre-scorn experiments was show him everything dying out in the future

and then we have Nezarec

don't even need to say anything, just take a good look at him

[buoyant gull]

What’s wrong with Nezarec ☹️

[fast tapir]

that sums up nezarec perfectly

[chrome fog]

The followers of the Witness are the same kind of people who fall into nihilistic pessimism and justify stupid behavior by the meaninglessness of existence; the Witness’ cause and it’s message of “We’re gonna set things as they should be!” draws in sycophantic individuals who feel like the universe is against them, that it’s cruel against them and that it needs to be corrected

[chrome fog]

Tortures people to an extreme extent for no apparent reason; a Titan was tormented by Nezarec’s whispers and I believe he gouged his eyes out due to the insanity induced by Nezarec

[fast tapir]

yes..

poor fella

[chrome fog]

Oh huh I thought that message replied to the other fella

[silver cape]

Guys who is rhulk

He ain’t a wormgod is he

[trim grotto]

Rhulk is the first Disciple of the Witness.

Like a... right hand man.

[silver cape]

ohh

Got it

That’s why he’s so hard in the game to kill

bro destiny lore is so confusing

I watched a 3 hour vid

And still don’t get some stuff

Like wtf is a siva

[trim grotto]

It's a nanite colony designed to assist with the creation of colonies.

It was hacked and repurposed for aggressive uses.

[brave knoll]

Hi all. I’m currently living in Scotland play all the time. Farming especially looking for a clan. I play on pc. Name is Paper-Trail08

[trim grotto]

You might want to use a different channel. This is for lore - discussing the universe and story of the game.

[silver cape]

Is it like a part of Warmkmd?

Warmind

Like did it originally come from warmind or smth

[trim grotto]

No, it's from way back in D1.

But Rasputin, the Warmind, did control it.

[silver cape]

Oh

Okay got it

[trim grotto]

SIVA was created by Wilhelmina (Willa) Bray. Its primary function was intended to be a colony construction tool, and indeed, it did help the Exodus Indigo create Neomuna.

During the Dark Age, Rasputin used it to lure in Iron Lord Felwinter and kill him - a whole different story. Unfortunately, this event at Site 6 known as the Ironsbane was the doom for nearly every Iron Lord. Only Lady Efrideet and Lord Saladin survived.

Later, during D1, the Devil Splicers - a wild offshoot of House Devils - found and hacked SIVA and used it to augment themselves, leading to the Rise of Iron expansion. This was a mess, as they could not control it very well.

[silver cape]

Oh

That makes it so clear

Thanks

Well I’m kinda sad that d2 is coming to an end

After the witness

[trim grotto]

It uh, isn't.

[silver cape]

There’s no more story

[trim grotto]

Final Shape isn't the end of the game.

[silver cape]

but what

Can they possibly do

[trim grotto]

It's just the end of this longstanding saga of the story.

[silver cape]

What can happen after the final shape

[trim grotto]

We already have 3 Episodes lined up after the campaign

[silver cape]

It’s just gonna be peace and happiness

[silver cape]

whaaaattt

How do we know that

[trim grotto]

We have an Episode regarding Fikrul and the Scorn, one regarding the... probably the Sol Divisive Vex and the 227 and/or Praedyth, and a third one about the Hive - probably Xivu Arath, I'd guess.

[dim minnow]

third one could be more related to the Hidden Swarm (what's left of them at least)

[silver cape]

Well that’s all about past characters

[trim grotto]

Also possible

[silver cape]

I meant

[dim minnow]

the Zulmak stuff never really got resolved

[silver cape]

There’s gonna be no more new story

Like new plots

[trim grotto]

That's the entire point of Final Shape
Closing off this saga so that they can make new story

And not just follow on this one ongoing tale

[silver cape]

wait what

There’s gonna be like a new plot?

A new big bad?

[trim grotto]

I can only say the same thing so many times rito

[silver cape]

I thought bungie gave up on destiny

And this was gonna be the end all be all

[trim grotto]

Literally nothing suggests this

[silver cape]

Welll the games not been doing well

So I thought they would call it a day

[trim grotto]

It always does that
Lows, highs, lows again

It's over ten years old

And it's on an up again with Final Shape

[silver cape]

Can’t imagine how we’re gonna beat the witness tho

[trim grotto]

We're literally inside the Traveler. There will be more Light here than ever before. That may help.

[silver cape]

But the traveler is not what it used to be

It’s weak

Weakened

I feel the darkness is much stronger

[trim grotto]

Also true
But we can use the Darkness now, too

[silver cape]

Yeah that’s true tho

[idle night]

Darkness is pretty strong, that’s literally how we beat Calus in Lightfall. The whole point of Prismatic is that we are the first to ever wield Light and Dark together simultaneously

What I’m guessing will happen is the campaign will have us cut the witness off from creating the final shape which will leave it vulnerable and we can then have a opportunity to kill it

[buoyant gull]

The raid will be crazy

[idle night]

I hope so

[buoyant gull]

Same

[idle night]

Root was kinda disappointing to me

[buoyant gull]

I like RoN

[idle night]

Lore wise it’s sick asf it’s just too easy

[idle night]

I do as well

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

[buoyant gull]

I agree

[idle night]

Nezarec was a cool mf

[buoyant gull]

The lore is very nice

[idle night]

I also love the aesthetic to the raid

Feels like a cursed dream

[buoyant gull]

The location is super cool too

[idle night]

The raid just feels too much like a dungeon

But that’s not a big problem

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

Ron is good

[idle night]

I’d like to get the raid titles done soon

[buoyant gull]

What was the title I forgot

[idle night]

Apparently the Pantheon title is called Godslayer

Who doesn’t want that

[idle night]

Dream Warrior

[buoyant gull]

That’s fire 🔥

I still think that VotD is the best raid in the game

[blazing wasp]

Wait how do we know that, I don't see it in titles

[jagged badge]

TWID

When April 30 arrives, we hope you have trained and prepared yourselves, Guardians. Shaxx will have the quest you'll need to start your journey to become a Godslayer. Yeah, that's the title waiting for the champions that conquer Pantheon.

[blazing wasp]

Rad

[chrome fog]

We seriously ought to pin this

[eager trout]

What's Pantheon?

[jagged badge]

Raid boss gauntlet mode

[eager trout]

Oh

Is Onslaught permanent? Because it doesn't seem to say anything about being temporary-

[ember storm]

It’s atheon but he’s wearing pants

[jagged badge]

For future reference, these are all questions better served in #❓destiny-questions and not the lore channel

[exotic cloak]

I mean

You can't just give up in your main product

Even if Marathon is a success Bungie really can't take an actual break of Destiny in the near future

[errant olive]

Is nokris still alive? was looking over the lore for the Whisper mission and was thinking about the Heresy episode...what if it's related to necromancy? That's considered heretical to the Hive as it goes against the philosophy of the sword logic, and also relates to the attempts by the Hidden Swarm to revive Zulmak. If not nokris, who else knows necromancy?

[chrome fog]

We killed him

In Warmind

[wheat flower]

Who's 227?

[pure tree]

wait is the cabal dude in the hall of champions the first like, regular dude from caiatls ascendancy and not one of her ascendant guard we've seen so far?

like seen in person

[exotic cloak]

I also think is more possible for it to be related to hidden swarm but, there's really something to do?

Like yeah never really got solved but we stopped the ritual

[dim minnow]

well the Hidden Swarm do just keep on raising him back from the dead

[trim grotto]

the 227 vex simulated copies of Maya Sundaresh and her team

hence the ishtar logo at the end of starcrossed

[ember storm]

no

he used his death and an offering from Xol’s corpse as a means of gaining entry to the ascendant plane, leading him to meet and strike a deal with Savathun

he then later died in Arrivals because Savathun sent him to block our access to the Io pyramid

but she got the secrets of his necromancy out of the deal, which explains half of the deal of GotD

also some seasonal dialogue from seraph mentions it but it doesn’t really matter

if you ask me, the episode would probably be related to the hidden swarm or maybe even Xivu

[winter aspen]

Can exo reproduce naturally without deep stone crypt?

[ember storm]

they don’t reproduce

they’re manufactured

and the only place is the dsc

[winter aspen]

I see I see

Just wondering

[jagged badge]

Aside from Atraks-1, no new Exos have been made since the Golden Age

[exotic cloak]

And we pretty much blow up the Crypt

[light stratus]

I have two questions one spoiler and one not
||what are the names of the dread||
And how did orxy talk to the worm gods

[gentle geyser]

They said the names in the reveal

||grim, husk, weaver, attendant||

[chrome fog]

To the second point, he just talked to them

In fact when Crota opens up that tear in Oryx’s Throneworld, one of them straight up goes to Oryx and tells him to pull his court back into line, like it’s a tense moment in a sitcom

[empty fern]

Since we spoiling the names, have the image too

[thorn plover]

Is the lament considered chainsaw since it revs up?

[thorn plover]

stasis enemies...freeze spam time

[chrome fog]

Chainsword

[ember storm]

someone tell me a joke revolving around a fairly unknown lore fact

[thorn plover]

Banshee lost the competition

[ember storm]

I don’t get it

[thorn plover]

So

Banshee isn’t the exo with the highest number

There is another one

[eager trout]

||Ah yes, they all sound cool or creepy, and then there's Attendant||

[chrome fog]

Yeah. Echo-2625

[thorn plover]

Speaking of them

Are they still alive?

Or can we see them In game atleast?

[chrome fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[next bobcat]

Who or what is being referenced in the lore tab of conditional finality? It seems to be savathûn confronting nezarec, or rhulk. But it also seems to reference strand, which only the guardian can use?

I am confused

[chrome fog]

Nezarec being betrayed by Savathun; Hive magic is similarly green and is referred to as magical, whilst Strand has not exactly been

There's also this bit

[fair trout]

if the scorn and taken now work for the witness, why are they fighting eachother still in the dreaming city?

[chrome fog]

Not all the Scorn or Taken are bent to the Witness' will

For example, the Witness' Scorn have the darker/purple helmets whilst Fikrul and his band of Scorn have the lighter Yellow helmets

Taken are also wandering about until a strong will such as the Witness, Xivu Arath, or the Ahamkara spirit in Warlord's Ruin exert their wills onto them

[fair trout]

ah alright

Is fikrul not working for the witness?

[rich veldt]

nope, hes been on the run doing his own thing after escapping the shore

[fair trout]

ah alright

[eager trout]

What are the Scorn?

[chrome fog]

Eliksni zombies

Fikrul was dying somewhere on the Tangled Shore, Uldren sometime after crash landing from the Dreadnaught weapon I believe came upon Fikrul and wished that he could save that poor Eliksni from dying. Riven heard, took some of the Darkness from the Black Garden that was fucking around with Uldren's head and imbued it into Fikrul.

From there, more Scorn were made from Eliksni corpses, reanimated by Dark Ether, which is exactly what it sounds like

[eager trout]

What is the Black Garden?

[chrome fog]

A part of the Vex Network, I believe there are some descriptions which designate it as the originating location of the Vex (I'm more inclined to believe it's a close simulation of the original Garden they came using the gathered paracausal energy they had on hand as well as the gifted Black Heart from the Witness) The conclusion of the D1 vanilla campaign ends with us invading the Black Garden, destroying the Black Heart

Previous to our excursion, Uldren and his friend Jolyon had scouted the Black Garden out on Mara's orders, the consequences of which were Uldren's partial corruption from exposure to the Black Heart as well as just the Black Garden in general

This was also back in a time where Darkness was a corruptive force, which was due to the Witness exerting its will through the Darkness - you could say it was a Voice in the Darkness

[solar pawn]

damn that is one way to explain something i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[chrome fog]

My explanation is lacking but it is gathered from others explanation and description of the location

If you need an explanation for the Black Heart, all we knew was that it was a paracausal artifact of Darkness that the Vex were harvesting paracausality from, by simulating beings to worship it, though I think (aside from cool factor) they also had to physically position themselves in a position of worship for more effective results

As of Lightfall, we've learned that it was a failed copy of the Veil, to which the Witness gifted to the Vex

[exotic cloak]

There's any explanation why there are different shells

I know Drifter Ghost was upgraded but the other one, they were upgraded too, is a aesthetic element or they are just like that?

[chrome fog]

Cosmetics

People craft them, ghosts can wear them

Technically the only non-interchangeable thing about them is the little core ball in the center, as that houses their sentience or smth like that

[exotic cloak]

Oh

[eager trout]

Time to make a Swiss Army Knife Ghost Shell

[chrome fog]

We have Siochain's Shell, with the buzzsaws

[eager trout]

But that's just knife

[chrome fog]

Oh wait wrong one

[exotic cloak]

But I'm curious, I don't know Crow's Ghost but I saw it has the aspect of a Forsaken shell

From where did they got it?

[chrome fog]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/pulled-pork

[spiral crane]

How developed is the last city

[chrome fog]

Also yes Glint used to be called Pulled Pork

[spiral crane]

Like in terms of saftey and standards of living

[chrome fog]

Fairly advanced, just look at how big it is

[spiral crane]

?

[eager trout]

Safety is the Vanguard

[chrome fog]

They have ramen shops and cuisine fusion stores for a burrito with kim chi to exist, Guardians can have their own apartment, interstellar travel through space ships is fairly common, there's the essentially standing army of Guardians, as well as the literal standing army of Forces of the Last City, the foundries are still producing weapons and ships, there's the bulwurk of Caital's Cabal Empire and House Light as well

[exotic cloak]

And another question when Uldren resurrected? Like in which season that cutscene appeared

Or was just there in Forsaken

[chrome fog]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/lions-pride?highlight=kimchi

[spiral crane]

Do the vanguard run the city?

[chrome fog]

Arrivals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh5arwBDj9I

[chrome fog]

There was the Consensus, basically a senate or parliament of non-Lightbearers as well as the Vanguard, with the Speaker as head. As of late, there has been no new Speaker nor are any of the non-Lightbearer factions present in the Last City anymore as 1) Future War Cult's leader Lakshmi-2 went paranoid under the Endless Night in Season of the Splicer and tried to genocide the refuge House Light because the Vex prediction engine thing she had said they would cause unnecessary conflict within the City - the irony being that she was the one who brought the Vex into the Last City through the stupid prediction engine, dying as the vex came out of the portal; 2) New Monarchy and Dead Orbit had rallied behind FWC and they essentially were merged, but all members either scattered or joined Dead Orbit's escaping colony ship stocked with all their resources, booting it off of Earth

So really the only remaining structure of government in the Last City is the Vanguard, with Zavala taking up the Speaker's position in charge of the Last City alongside his duties as Vanguard head, coordinating Guardian efforts across the system

[spiral crane]

That doesn’t seem very democratic

Also why don’t they just have a new speaker

[chrome fog]

Speaker needs to hear what the Traveler's saying in order to be a Speaker for it

[chrome fog]

It's not and it's extremely stressful for Zavala as it is readily apparent that he is holding all the government power within the Last City, which was what the Consensus was supposed to prevent

[spiral crane]

Is it a trained ability or ur just born with it

[spiral crane]

That can’t be very efficient either

[chrome fog]

it randomly happens, and even then she just appears some various individuals through their dreams only on rare occasions

[spiral crane]

He has to handle both the military and civilian sides of everything

[spiral crane]

So have there been long stretches of time with no speaker before?

[chrome fog]

Well they should have had better political parties other than

• Paranoid Doomsday Seers (Future War Cult)
• Autocrats. just straight up Autocrats (New Monarchy)
• Nihilistic edgy emos who want to ditch Earth (Dead Orbit)
• Guardian supremacy group (Concordat; exiled sometime after the initial formation of the Consensus, FWC took their place)

[raw hazel]

It was during Forsaken, not Arrivals

[spiral crane]

How would they agree on anything

[chrome fog]

That Speaker has been around since the founding of the Last City, Hally Bo could probably fact check that

[spiral crane]

Those all seem so opposed

Like in every way

[chrome fog]

Like a parliament/Senate

[spiral crane]

Oh so it’s the same guy

The whole time

[chrome fog]

coughrepublicanvsdemocratcough

[spiral crane]

I thought it was like a position

[chrome fog]

It was a position, one carried over from the Golden Age

[spiral crane]

And look how that’s going

[chrome fog]

My point exactly

[spiral crane]

So there were speakers in the golden age?

[chrome fog]

A couple, yes

[spiral crane]

I see

What was the speaker like

Like the latest one

He seems like he would be a cool character

[chrome fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy_3mBpF6Gs

There's also his incredible speech in captivity during Red War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxzefZia4MM&pp=ygUaRGVzdGlueSBhbGwgc3BlYWtlciBzY2VuZXM%3D

There's another scene where the Speaker admits that he speaks for the Traveler, it doesn't speak to him; but I believe there's some loretabs/grimoire which point to him having experienced visions in his dreams given by the Traveler

[spiral crane]

He sounds like saint Germain from castlevania

[spiral crane]

So is he an accurate source of info on the travelers will?

[eager trout]

Apparently Prismatic is available from the very first mission of The Final Shape

[chrome fog]

I was gonna rag on Destinypedia for being a disappointment once more but they in-fact have a separate page for previous holders of the Speaker title, alongside a single page for the Speaker

Like would a redirect at the top be that much harder, every other good wiki has that
https://www.destinypedia.com/Speaker_(title)
https://www.destinypedia.com/Speaker

I would like to thank this tumblr blog for once again helping me find shit on lore that destinypedia keeps fucking up
https://thefirstknife.tumblr.com/post/640864237415251968/besides-that-i-think-theres-a-general-wave-of
https://thefirstknife.tumblr.com/post/640882884897636352/speaker-crow

Also fitting that they cite the same lorebook Destinypedia is pulling from; I would recommend reading this after reading all the above (which isn't really too much)
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-constellations

[next bobcat]

What primordial prize? What betrayal? Huh? Wha?

[chrome fog]

The Veil

And Savathun killed Nezarec

His corpse then was discovered by Eliksni, carved up and worn as relics of power which did genuinely boost their wielders.

Misraaks inherited one from his mom, fell into the same sort of berserker rage as she had when he used it; it frightened him, so he stopped wearing it, sealing it in little reliquaries like some of the other ones had (which we see in Plunder)

[chrome fog]

Back to this, the Witness had the Veil before it started pursuing the Traveler, it just needed to get her in order to create that connection between her and the Veil to open that portal, but as the loretab vaguely describes from the perspective of Nezarec, Savathun betrayed the Witness by stealing the Veil away and then subsequently hiding it on Neptune, seeing as Savathun was smart enough to see through the Witness' bullshit and recognizing that its plan would lead to the end of life as we know it, either literally, metaphorically, or both

[eager trout]

How does Teselation match your subclass?

[trim grotto]

The damage matches your subclass.

[jagged badge]

Again, #❓destiny-questions

[chrome fog]

There was that elemental capacitor perk, where you get certain buffs depending on what subclass is being run? Probably a similar line of code checking the Player's selected subclass and then modifying its properties based on that

[eager trout]

Not the game explanation

The lore explanation

[eager trout]

I want the lore explanation

[trim grotto]

It hasn't really been given one.

[next bobcat]

Delicate tomb - should be void since nezarec uses void attacks

[chrome fog]

Mmmmm it's his 4th tomb

Says so in the loretab

[next bobcat]

Yeeeaah… what are you implying?

[chrome fog]

But also no that doesn't necessarily mean it should be Void, Nezarec supposedly had expert control over Light and Darkness, so realistically he could use any element for the exotic

[trim grotto]

I mean
Not at that time

[next bobcat]

Yeah exactly

I didn’t know that but

Yeah

[chrome fog]

He has multiple tombs. He's died multiple times, yet seemingly comes back from the brink. He might be functionally an immortal incorporeal being.

[chrome fog]

Yes, but who's to say that it's not a persistent skill in between his deaths? No one, but neither is there really anything supporting this either considering the lack of elaboration to who or what Nezarec actually is

[next bobcat]

Hes the final god of pain isn’t he

?

[chrome fog]

That doesn't mean jack, save for the fact he's really good at tormenting people

[trim grotto]

What we do know is that there is a strong relationship with Void. Delicate Tomb is also a gun and may be supplying the Arc itself.

[chrome fog]

Maybe all his Arc skills are stuck in Delicate Tomb, with what remains are inside it

[exotic cloak]

He owns the title but I can assure Rhulks leg hurt more

[eager trout]

I just realized Teselation's white and black parts represent Light and Darkness, and the crystals are in the colors of all subclasses, including Prismatic

[gentle geyser]

What is this creature on different items in eververse?

[dim minnow]

what items specifically

[gentle geyser]

On a sparrow, and I believe on two ships

Can’t check names atm

[dim minnow]

well this sparrow is specifically a reference to a formula one car, so maybe it is related to that

[gentle geyser]

That wouldn’t explain the ship as it didn’t look anything like the sparrow

[jagged badge]

@trim grotto is this funky lil guy in your symbol archive?

[trim grotto]

Yeah but he's in a lot of places

He's been around since D1

Haven't pinned a specific meaning to him yet

[gentle geyser]

Hes the final shape (real)

[jagged badge]

Damn

[gentle geyser]

That sucks not knowing what it actually is

[jagged badge]

Welcome to Destiny lore

[analog torrent]

Can ghosts mentally communicate with their guardians? I have never read a lore tab where that’s happened; all the communication between ghost and guardian has been in dialogue, but I have read several fanworks where they talk in each others minds.

[dim minnow]

I know at least the killcam is canon

[analog torrent]

The 3d cam of our ghost when we die?

[dim minnow]

yeah

For those inside the building, it was like the world was ending.

But her Ghost was free, heading straight for the front car of the train that had impaled the upper floor of the warehouse. A pair of injured Shadows, the only survivors, were right behind her as she came up to Aunor's slumped body, her eye blazing with Light.```

[analog torrent]

Huh. Case by case basis? Felwinter and Drifter didn’t see anything during their deaths or at least it wasn’t described, and in the Saladin lorebook when he fell from the tree, he didn’t see anything. Unconsciousness or willful choice of Saladin/Isirah?

[dim minnow]

probably something you have to learn

[analog torrent]

Yeah that sounds right
Fel and Saladin were warriors and Drifter is Drifter, while Aunor worked in intelligence. She’d probably know more weird light tricks like that

[dim minnow]

Drifter wouldn't trust his ghost enough to work on that

[trim grotto]

Gotta do some research!

[dim minnow]

reminds me of the Wales flag

but it also loosely resembles the creature seen on a lot of Europa gear

[jagged badge]

The Krispy Kreme armour

[spiral crane]

Who is sjur eido

And what is their relation to shaxx

[trim grotto]

Sjur Eido was the romantic partner of Queen Mara Sov. She was a powerful Awoken warrior, and the wielder of the true Wishender bow.

Lord Shaxx became her friend after she killed him once.

[ember storm]

no

he was rezzed in forsaken

[chrome fog]

Hally Bo got it already

[ember storm]

hally is here?

[eager trout]

I just realized...there's no way for someone who has been banned to appeal the ban,since the link to appeal is inside the server

[trim grotto]

...are your referring to D2cord? I think you want #✨destiny-discussion. That said, they do have a method for it.

I believe via the bot which DMs you or some such

[eager trout]

Ok

Does anime still exist?

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/two-tailed-fox

[eager trout]

Apart from that

[chrome fog]

I mean if an entire weapon is able to be themed after what seems to be an anime series running in the time of the Last City’s existence, it’s likely there’s others as well

[dull raft]

isnt there like an entire foundry that caters to the anime enjoyers amongst the lightbearers

[dim minnow]

Daito

[eager trout]

There's a what?!?

Give me the anime weapons

[trim grotto]

Better look into Daito gear then
Daito armour from Prophesy, guns like Jade Rabbit and Two Tailed Fox...

[eager trout]

Jade Rabbit too???

[trim grotto]

Yes, that's Daito.

[shadow crypt]

Who is Concordat?

[spiral crane]

There’s still anime?

[trim grotto]

An ex-faction of the Consensus who tried to stage a coup and got exiled from the Last City.

[shadow crypt]

The Consensus?

[fast tapir]

d2cord reference

[trim grotto]

The ruling body of the Last City. For a long time, it was comprised of the Vanguard, the Speaker, New Monarchy, Dead Orbit, and Future War Cult.

You may notice that all of these are dead or gone, including 1/3rd of the Vanguard.

[modern lodge]

Ghosts run their own plays right

Like how?, they have no limbs

I'm interested in what ghosts do in their free time

[fast tapir]

oh my god

thats amazing

[modern lodge]

That's actually huge

So the ghosts themselves don't take part, they write them?

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ghost-community-theater-presents

[rigid flower]

So uh...

Anyone here knows what this serpent is?

[trim grotto]

It looks like you're aiming at a slightly water damaged wallpaper coloured mucus green.

What's the context here?

[trim grotto]

... @rigid flower?

[blazing wasp]

looks like they're offline

[shadow warren]

There was something like that on titan

[blazing wasp]

that was asha whatever

the protoworm

[trim grotto]

The mysterious something on Titan turned out to be Ahsa, yeah

[blazing wasp]

"big boy in the soup" as drifter called it i believe

back in arrivals

[trim grotto]

Long-Boy in the Soup

[blazing wasp]

yea

turns out its a long-girl in the soup

[rigid flower]

The serpent in the water. This is in the throne world.

[trim grotto]

Oh, a Throne World greebly

[rigid flower]

It's pretty damn big.

[blazing wasp]

"greebly"?

[trim grotto]

greebly

Swamp Slugs

Might be one of these, or another greebly
there's a bunch of greeblies in the throne world

Swamp Flea

A straight up normal-ass owl

she likes creatures

[modern lodge]

I need more exo lore

[modern lodge]

Owl

[trim grotto]

Owl

[modern lodge]

Yuck

[trim grotto]

Well, what does "more" look like to you

What do you know of already

[blazing wasp]

holy shit its the leaked enemy race

the uh

zorpal!

[modern lodge]

I'm mainly interested in how their body works like the synthetic muscle and stuff, I know about their creation

And all the vex gooies

[trim grotto]

greeblies

[modern lodge]

Greeblies

What is there about exos I don't know

Hmmm

Guh

[trim grotto]

Well some of that detail is a bit limited, but we can go over their humanisms and senses

[modern lodge]

They can't get intoxicated correct

[blazing wasp]

exos are immune to all forms of poison i believe yes

[modern lodge]

As far as I'm aware it's basically a metal human, downside can't heal small flesh wounds and obviously muscle density can't increase

[trim grotto]

That first night back, Andal and I were up late. Not a new thing. He drank. I drank. He got tanked. I'm a robot. And we made the pact. - Cayde-6

[blazing wasp]

oh

damn

[modern lodge]

That would make sense since they have no blood

Or brain