📚lore-discussion

[dim minnow]

either he ended up there on his own or the Taken brought him there

[thorny scarab]

Ah

So his corpse magically manifested into a sniper rifle?

How did he turn into the gun?

Ah, gotcha

Ngl that feels a little non-consensual

[dim minnow]

I think he manifested himself into it so we can use him to feed himself

[thorny scarab]

I thought he was dead

[dim minnow]

yes he was

[thorny scarab]

And then…?

[dim minnow]

then he stopped giving a shit that he was dead

[thorny scarab]

Dang

[dim minnow]

in all seriousness, Worm Gods tend to not really be dead that easily

[thorny scarab]

So why hasn’t the vanguard or anyone like Eris wanted to destroy Whisper

[dim minnow]

even after Oryx killed Akka and cut him apart, he had to fight his "swarming corpse" later on

[thorny scarab]

Since it’s literally Xol

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[dim minnow]

eh, he's not really hurting us

[thorny scarab]

And we don’t fear he might?

[dim minnow]

kind of like how Ahamkara don't really "die"

[dim minnow]

what can he do?

he's a sniper rifle

[thorny scarab]

Idk, he can turn himself back to normal maybe?

Idk the limit of his power

[dim minnow]

idk

I think he's content with being used by us anyways

[thorny scarab]

Logic is that if he can turn himself into something, he can turn himself back

[dim minnow]

he pretty much told Nokris to go fuck himself

[thorny scarab]

So we have a pet gun.

[dim minnow]

hmmm

[thorny scarab]

Poor Nokris

[dim minnow]

you know, I'm also pretty sure we didn't even know it was really Xol

[thorny scarab]

So the guardians picked up a taken sniper rifle, and didn’t question a thing?

[dim minnow]

Nokris did pretend that he was attempting to ressurect him just so we can wipe out his brood

[dim minnow]

not the first time, remember Black Spindle?

[thorny scarab]

Maaaaaaan forget what I said about Nokris

Fuck Nokris

[thorny scarab]

If that’s from D1, then no.

If it’s from D2, then still no

[dim minnow]

and he did this so he can get to the Ascendant Plane which was where he met Savathun

[thorny scarab]

But going forward I don’t know the lore of any D1 specific things

[dim minnow]

yeah, it's D1

[thorny scarab]

What did Savathun do?

[dim minnow]

in fact, Whisper of the Worm was based on Black Spindle which itself was based on Black Hammer (the Crota's End sniper rifle)

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[dim minnow]

she made a deal with Nokris

[thorny scarab]

I’m keeping the head canon that we know Xol is in our gun, and we have a pet worm.

[thorny scarab]

Which did

[dim minnow]

basically the deal was this:
Nokris would work for Savathun by interfering with the messages the Pyramids were trying to send us (this was back in Season of Arrivals [aka last season before Beyond Light released])
In return, Nokris would be allowed access to Quria, Savathun's pet half-taken Vex Hydra, so he could learn his secrets while Savathun would get to learn necromancy from Nokris

[dim minnow]

wouldn't be the only one now

[fresh zephyr]

do guardians eat

or have hunger

[trim grotto]

Yes and yes

[next bobcat]

Should “guardian” be capitalised?

[next bobcat]

But they don’t need it right?

And don’t sleep

[rich veldt]

i would say it depends on if you are refering to the player as Guardian or just guardians in general

[next bobcat]

Player

In a flavour text where a weapon talks to the guardian

[rich veldt]

given the player has it as a name/title but in general its just a group

again id say if about the player then yes

[hollow flint]

I have a question. In the lore. What class is the closest to a normal dude?

[next bobcat]

None

They’re light-wielding superhuman god-killers

If you had to pick one it would hunter

Cos they just kinda dodge and throw physical knives

But they still have a whole bunch of light stuff

[hollow flint]

I guess that is more normal than a flaming hammer. Snapping fingers to make fire. Etc

[open saffron]

I know about the main seasonal story and some of Warlords Ruin, Starcrossed I played once but it was all a while ago

[grand jungle]

how does nezarc know so much bout us in ron

[trim grotto]

I suppose Hunter, then.

[ember storm]

they still make flaming knives and gravitational bows out of nothing

[eager trout]

Is Prismatic how guardians are in lore? If so, what difference does it make lorewise?

[ember storm]

majority of guardians only ever effectively use one subclass

also I haven’t watched anything on the announced FS stuff and all I know is hearsay so I couldn’t tell you

I doubt we’re going to have substantial answers until it actually comes out

[gentle geyser]

Basically

Its us wielding both light and dark perfectly balanced

[ember storm]

I know the general concept but I didn’t watch any developer commentary on it or whatever

[gentle geyser]

There isn’t too much you need to know

Theres only like one new mechanic otherwise the entire subclass is just a build it yourself thing

[eager trout]

Thanos approves

[chrome fog]

Considering it is a power we get from the Final Shape, the unique property of Prismatic is that it allows seamless utilization of cross subclass elements without having to fully shift into the subclass themselves

[eager trout]

Strand grapple grenade with Arc Titan Super is gonna go wild

[empty fern]

Indeed

https://tenor.com/view/pink-floyd-album-cover-livejacketflix-dark-side-of-the-moon-1973-gif-1886555155136760969

Final shape subclass be like

[spiral crane]

are we gonna have to own that subclass

[jagged badge]

Well, yeah

You can’t use it if you don’t have it

Oh wait, do you mean for Stasis and Strand individually, not Prismatic in general?

[spiral crane]

yeah

[jagged badge]

Then no

[molten briar]

Anyone notice the taken have the resonance on their heads

[dusty jolt]

Where?

[jagged badge]

On their heads

[spiral crane]

Would golden age humanity be better at fighting off non paracausal threats like the fallen/cabal/ than the current vanguard and guardians

[blazing wasp]

Probably if allowed to mobilise

But their military prowess was poor because why would you make a military during a time of global peace

[ashen bolt]

so eris is a hunter

[spiral crane]

Didn’t they have Rasputin

[blazing wasp]

M, true

But uh

He can't handle the small troups

Troops*

Hell decimate a country

[spiral crane]

Wym

[blazing wasp]

He doesnt have much small arms

He can probably annihilate several moons

[spiral crane]

Can’t he just nuke their main ships

And anything of size

[blazing wasp]

Sure but the small ones?

[spiral crane]

What are the small ones gonna do without the big ones

[blazing wasp]

And if they make it to planets?

[spiral crane]

The big ships probably had the strategists

And the leaders

[blazing wasp]

Overwhelm the population without a military force at all

[spiral crane]

Did we not have a military

[blazing wasp]

Why would we need any

We're not at war, nor conflict

With anyone

The vex were a exception

But we're under controll

Were

[chrome fog]

He has an arsenal of combat frames, doesn’t he? In fairness the Cabal might be able to overwhelm them but like. There’s some big ‘uns he could control

[blazing wasp]

Last I checked those were very few, not to mention unable to do shitfuck

P sure they were ment against vex

Which at the time was small and controlled

[chrome fog]

https://www.destinypedia.com/Heavy_Frame

[blazing wasp]

Oh

Huh

Probably not able to fight a whole ass war but

They'd at least put up a good fight

[thorny pelican]

Is it possible to sort by activity on Ishtar Collective? I wanna read all the lore from the Trials gear in chronological order, but I don’t know how to just “display only Trials gear”

[spiral crane]

We should still have a standing military

[blazing wasp]

Not after several hundred years of zero conflict.

[chrome fog]

He had the smaller conventional provide firepower and then these were supports apparently; though I won’t lie but I wasn’t playing during the time these were around

[blazing wasp]

Two years of global peace justifies a military

Two hundred makes the very idea of a military fucking ridiculous

[spiral crane]

So why did we have Rasputin if we thought there would be no more war

[blazing wasp]

Clovis bray

Need I explain further

[chrome fog]

There might be a Trials tag to sort that out, I can direct you to the Ishtar discord if that also seems like it’d help

[spiral crane]

Yeah

[exotic cloak]

They didn't learn from Gman

https://tenor.com/view/half-life-half-life2-gman-gif-25087297

[blazing wasp]

Clovis is a psychotic power hungry madman who's also really goddamn smart

[spiral crane]

If we had Rasputin who had the capacity to nuke planets

And we spent all that money

We should also have a standing military

To cover our bases

[blazing wasp]

He planned to use rasputin to upload himself to rasputin eventually

[spiral crane]

Otherwise it’s a waste of money

[blazing wasp]

And become some form of God ruling over humanity

[spiral crane]

wtf

[blazing wasp]

Probably the main point of the exo program was for him to essentially be a universal ancestor to all of humanity

[thorny pelican]

Thx I’ll try that and see if it works

[blazing wasp]

Clovis bray was a rat bastard

[blazing wasp]

Also rasputin wasn't some government thing

[spiral crane]

It was a private company?

[chrome fog]

Considering the amount of firepower that Rasputin held, being able to eradicate any large gathering of military power that would’ve threatened world peace and smaller targeted attacks like bombings and whatnot would’ve been taken care of domestic police forces, it seems unnecessary for any nation to have a military force; heck, we had barely any contact with alien species save for the Vex, and by then they hadn’t been prolific enough to actually be a present danger in the system, they had only started flooding into the system about the time the Collapse had gone underway, the Vex-Exo war taking place in that time I believe

[blazing wasp]

Clovis bray ran his own science thingabob

[chrome fog]

Technically one of Clovis’ projects, but it was mainly delegated to Ana for man development

[blazing wasp]

His children and stuff made these cool things

[spiral crane]

So would u say we would lose to the cabal

Or the fallen

[chrome fog]

We could probably take on the Fallen and maybe hold off the Cabal for a bit

[blazing wasp]

We're fucked against the hive

[spiral crane]

Did we still have the capacity to make guns and small arms

[spiral crane]

Everyone was

[blazing wasp]

They wouldn't even have to send in any hive gods

Nor their children

[jagged badge]

Pretty sure the Vex-Exo War happened before the Collapse

[outer dragon]

Yes and no
Unchecked Lightbearers were the scourge of the Dark Age

[blazing wasp]

We're talking golden age here

[outer dragon]

Yes the foundries still make new weapons

[spiral crane]

Golden age

[chrome fog]

It was in close proximity, wasn’t it?

[chrome fog]

Much of those foundations continue today

[spiral crane]

Shouldn’t we have been warned by the fact there was other intelligent life

That there could be hostile intelligent life

[blazing wasp]

We barely knew there were

We hadn't begun exploring outside our own solar system yet

[trim grotto]

That's basically why the Black Armory was founded

Hello friends

[blazing wasp]

Ah, byf

They'll probably answer this much better than me

Scratch the probably

[spiral crane]

Isn’t that the yt dude

[blazing wasp]

Mael is a lore dude and sounds like byf

[outer dragon]

I still think a formal standing army is a bad idea

[spiral crane]

Mael = byf confirmed

[blazing wasp]

He's the lore dude kf the server

[spiral crane]

Why would it be a bad idea

[blazing wasp]

Imagine if all conflict ended, and stopped for three hundred years, would you consider military to be justifiable

[jagged badge]

That’s really rude to Dovadah smh

[blazing wasp]

There can be multiple the lore dudes

[jagged badge]

Hmm

[trim grotto]

Rasputin was Humanity's answer to the possibility of hostile life from outside Sol
The Warmind, an incredibly powerful AI developed to predict and protect us from potential extrasolar threats.
If the Collapse was a causal threat, he may have successfully protected us.

[spiral crane]

That’s what my question was

Would golden age humanity win against the cabal

And the fallen

Ukelele was saying our lack of standard military would prevent us being able to fight back successfully

[trim grotto]

We cannot say for sure of course but there's a very strong possibility
The Eliksni were, even then, scattered and disorganised. We'd have won against them, I'd wager.
The Cabal are a militaristic warmongering species. Couldn't say for sure, as war is their specialty. They've won many fights before encounting us.

[blazing wasp]

Not necessarily but close enough

[spiral crane]

It was a rough summary

[blazing wasp]

I'm saying that rasputin wouldn't be able to handle if, let's say cabal land in New york

What's he gonna do, nuke new York?

[spiral crane]

Maybe

He’s an AI

[blazing wasp]

Why did autocorrect auto capitalise that

Like that

[spiral crane]

I don’t know how moral Rasputin is

[trim grotto]

To be honest they probably wouldn't make it to New York
Anywho I'm going again now

[blazing wasp]

True, I suppose

[trim grotto]

He exists to protect humanity unless he logically cannot
At which point his own security is placed in priority
This happened during the Collapse

[jagged badge]

He’s programmed with morality but under certain circumstances can undergo a moral shift in order to take actions that may result in casualties in order for the greater good of humanity

[spiral crane]

I mean if a threat is small enough that Rasputin can’t deal with it

[jagged badge]

Or as Mael just said, prioritise his own survival for the long term benefit of humanity

[spiral crane]

A bunch of humans with guns can handle it

As long as guns still exist

They can still fight back to an extent

[blazing wasp]

The creation of polaris lance at all was questionable to the golden age folks because it was a weapon

Presumably some vintage ones exist but

[spiral crane]

But there are guns

[blazing wasp]

Sure

But uh

[spiral crane]

Then that’s handled

[blazing wasp]

The golden age lasted a long time

[outer dragon]

Granted we have a better understanding of how to handle rogue Lightbearers, I think the example of Shayura is one that should temper any expectations of the dogmatic elements of the Lightbearers reconciling with the more, for lack of a better word, liberal Guardians using the powers we found through experience and experimenting with Darkness.

[spiral crane]

Plus isn’t there the black armory

[spiral crane]

What

What are u talking about

[outer dragon]

No, forges were plundered during the withdrawal of Arrivals

[blazing wasp]

H

Golden age

[outer dragon]

Shayura

[blazing wasp]

This is about the golden age

[spiral crane]

GOLDEN AGE

[outer dragon]

I'm aware

Oh

[blazing wasp]

This predates guardians

They're not a factor

[spiral crane]

this is a theoretical situation

With no pyramid ships

Peak golden age

The cabal or fallen attack

[spiral crane]

That reminds me

The travler

[outer dragon]

I'm dumb ignore me

[spiral crane]

Would it help

[outer dragon]

No

[blazing wasp]

Probably not

[spiral crane]

Is it like pacisfist

[blazing wasp]

It was rather sudden it decided to help at all during the collapse

[blazing wasp]

It's several things

She's very pro free will hence her inactions

[outer dragon]

She thinks direct interference should be avoided as much as possible

[blazing wasp]

She's also scared of the witness using the veil with her

But

That doesn't apply here actually

[spiral crane]

So she would just stand there and let humanity die

[blazing wasp]

Probably yeah.

[spiral crane]

Ok so no help from the travler

[blazing wasp]

She loves who she blesses, but doesn't wish to interfere

[gentle geyser]

Yes

[spiral crane]

I still feel like Rasputin has it in the bag

[gentle geyser]

Just ask the fallen

[spiral crane]

At least for fallen

Maybe not cabal

[blazing wasp]

Oh fallen 100% don't make it

[spiral crane]

They could have their own powerful artillery

[blazing wasp]

Not the kind that could glass a planet a thousand times over

[spiral crane]

So in terms of long range And where destructive power

We win

I also feel

That that would act as a deterrent

[blazing wasp]

Rasputin main advantage is range and sheer mass destruction

[blazing wasp]

Not against the canal

[spiral crane]

Like a army wouldn’t want to get nuked to hell

[blazing wasp]

Canal

Fuck

Cabal

[spiral crane]

Canal

[blazing wasp]

Nor hive

[gentle geyser]

Canel

[blazing wasp]

So uh

It wouldn't change anything

[spiral crane]

But like

[blazing wasp]

Really

[spiral crane]

Ppl don’t attack nuclear armed countries for a reason

They don’t wanna get nuked

Same with Rasputin

[outer dragon]

At peak golden age? Rasputin would probably have been decent at dealing with the Eliksni. But the Cabal had The Almighty.

[blazing wasp]

The cabal would see it as a challenge

[spiral crane]

What’s that

[spiral crane]

💀

[gentle geyser]

Red war moment

[blazing wasp]

The flagship they use among other things to annihilate the solar system

[spiral crane]

Would it beat Rasputin

[blazing wasp]

When they win, they stripmine for resources and stuff then detonate their fucking sun

[outer dragon]

Cabal super weapon
Eats planets, forces stars to go supernova and scorch systems

[spiral crane]

Holy shit

[blazing wasp]

The cabal are probably the greatest causal military force we've ever seen

[outer dragon]

It was parked next to Mercury and was breaking the planet up and preparing to fire. The Guardian managed to shut it down during the Red War after they got their Light back.

[spiral crane]

Well does it have good defenses?

[blazing wasp]

Not against a single guardian, too small

[spiral crane]

I mean like Rasputin

That’s all golden age had

Apparently

[blazing wasp]

Not to mention a guardian notorious for fighting so dirty it killed a fucking god

[blazing wasp]

Ah

Uh

I'm unsure who wins the range contest

Whenever wins the range contest wins I'd argue

Considering he uh

Yknow

[spiral crane]

Doesn’t Rasputin have sub minds too

[blazing wasp]

Blew up the almighty

[spiral crane]

So like if u take one out

[blazing wasp]

Yea

[outer dragon]

So Rasputin did blow it up
After the Guardians helped build up his stockpile of weapons.
A psion was pissed at The Guardian for killing their sisters and set it on a collision course with The City

[spiral crane]

So rasputin has the capacity to take it out

But it’s a game of who takes out who first

[outer dragon]

That was after a concerted effort and it was not doing what it was designed to do. This was some time after The Guardian disabled the part that could blow up the Sun.

[spiral crane]

Wym not what it was designed to do

[outer dragon]

At the time Rasputin blew it up, it was set on a collision course with Earth. Specifically the Last City

https://youtu.be/HFY85mL4kl8?si=D2mAyfuEfrq1qxNf

[spiral crane]

I’m still talking in the hypothetical situation of cabal attacking golden age humanity

So this is Rasputin who doesn’t need any help getting weapons

And the almighty is on the edge of the system ig

[outer dragon]

That's the rub.
We don't know if Rasputin HAD the capacity to deal with it when it was in orbit around the Sun

[spiral crane]

So did the guardian disable some defenses or something

When it went on board

[outer dragon]

The Guardian shut down a bunch of stuff.

I think the Cabal would have just blown the Sun and moved on

If they tried invading and ran into Rasputin during the peak Golden Age

[trim grotto]

I'd heartily wager that Big Red could easily destroy the Almighty, in the Golden Age - so long as it had not already tethered itself to the sun, meaning the sun would go supernova without disconnecting it first.

Which is what we did in actual time, and then left it to drift.

Before the Psions set it on a collision course with the Last City of course

Very rude of them

[fast tapir]

someone has to teach them some manners!

[sand quail]

Where’s that emo kid at?

[trim grotto]

...I'm going to take a reach here and say, do you mean Arach Jalaal?

[empty fern]

Or crow?

[sand quail]

Don’t know that person

[exotic cloak]

I think is Crow

Yeah Crow

[empty fern]

Oh god poor crow

[sand quail]

Or crow

[empty fern]

Poor jalaal being forgotten
He even had hung jury

https://tenor.com/view/uldren-sov-iceknight180-destiny2-gif-26453442

[exotic cloak]

Who's the emo kid then

[trim grotto]

If you mean Crow, then do you have Season of the Wish? It answers this question.

If you don't mean Crow
Then I have no idea who you mean

[empty fern]

Who’s another broody awoken? Oh uhhhhh

What’s his name

Cryptark

[trim grotto]

Ives?

[empty fern]

Rahool yea,

No

Rah

Who is Ives? The reef cryptarch?

[trim grotto]

Yes

[empty fern]

Nice

[trim grotto]

Ives is dead, though.

[jagged badge]

Sorry about that

[empty fern]

Aw man

[trim grotto]

Also did you misspell Cryptarch
It's in my name

[empty fern]

Oh

Oops

Anyways, did that weekly visit to maras little cliff out in space thing ever happen? I took a break when it was re revealed

[sand quail]

I’m not talking about video game characters 💀

[exotic cloak]

Okey

Who's the emo between us

https://tenor.com/view/tf2spy-he-could-be-any-one-of-us-gif-22141763

[jagged badge]

Could you elaborate what you’re talking about or maybe just don’t derail this channel?

[empty fern]

Nah it’s gotta be in game characters

It’s crow, but he traveled the portal and became a real person
He now assumes the identity of (whoever his voice actor is) and is laying low

[jagged badge]

Brandon O’Neill

[empty fern]

Yes

“Brandon Onion” has covered his blue skin with a more human pigment, and will no longer use the crack in the wall room as his living quarters

[chrome fog]

What does this even mean, this is a server dedicated to a video game, and this is a channel dedicated to the lore of said game

[fast tapir]

yeah thats kinda strange

[trim grotto]

I mean... you're aware that this is the lore chat, right?

We discuss the lore and characters of the video game.

[chrome fog]

Just joined today. Just made a profile today.

I'm sensing deja vu

If it's the clown back with a vengence it will be hilarious; if it's just another person entirely this is just an annoyance

[empty fern]

Only time will tell

[jagged badge]

Have I missed something

[empty fern]

Nope

[exotic cloak]

Witness methods are intriguing

Bro is confusing us

[chrome fog]

Like not that long ago, new person joined lorechat, asked someone if they could test their new build, were immediately pissed everyone told them they were in the wrong place, and in being pointed out for selling cheats, proceeded to see that as an opportunity to advertise their cheats. On the same day of joining.

And now there’s this individual apparently asking about an “emo” who is “not a video game character” in… lorechat of all places. Which is disappointing honestly

[fast tapir]

Do you guys think its a possibility the Guardian dies in The Final Shape?

[chrome fog]

They’ll shrug it off

[fast tapir]

[chrome fog]

[fast tapir]

During the Eulogy back in dawn Saint mentions a final confrontation. Could this be it or am i looking too deep into it?

[chrome fog]

But in seriousness, if FearofGod is asking about something else aside from Destiny, the place for that would be #☀️off-topic-discussion and sorry about the hostility if you’re just someone wanting to discuss something else

[chrome fog]

We’re so divergent from other timelines that we have no precedent for the situation we are now; Elsie mentions that we have never destroyed the Black Heart before, also noting a couple things with out timeline which she hasn’t seen before in her time within the time loops she’s been stuck in (though she had concerns that some events such as Eris going evil could still come about)

[exotic cloak]

I mean

Definitely no but how that will even work

Canonically we die but we still playing and then there's a new dude on episodes

[gentle geyser]

No

Especially because we know the campaign doesn’t end when it launches

We do the raid, then the raid will likely unlock a new mission

[chrome fog]

Die in the raid, come back after the cutscene

[ember storm]

someone with media literacy tell me what the Eris grimoire means

is it Shaxx being emotionally stupid and talking to her or something

[trim grotto]

Pretty sure it's Toland.

[ember storm]

that’s weird

[trim grotto]

Talking about being avenged and such

[ember storm]

has he considered letting his soul fizzle out so nobody else has to hear him again

[empty fern]

No he wouldn’t like that

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #361.

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #361.

[ember storm]

the fuck is this

[trim grotto]

Is... is this a bot?

[empty fern]

????

[empty fern]

WHO ARE YOU, (also rip grumpy cat, passed away years ago)

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #399.

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #399.

[empty fern]

Oh it is a bot

[fresh zephyr]

It brokw

[empty fern]

Oh

Damn you

[fresh zephyr]

It sees all messages

[trim grotto]

[fresh zephyr]

Everyone sees cats everywhere

[empty fern]

Did you try to spam channels or something?

[fresh zephyr]

No

[empty fern]

[fresh zephyr]

Completely unintentional

[trim grotto]

Felines have broken containment

[empty fern]

It killed a ghost of course it did

[fresh zephyr]

I just sent 200 cats within 2 minutes across 100 servers

[trim grotto]

Amazing

[empty fern]

[fresh zephyr]

Actually 400

I made it more friendly now tho. If anyone does /cat you get a cat

[empty fern]

[exotic cloak]

My dude understood we would miss him if that happens so he is staying

[dull raft]

hmm yes cat lore real

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #589.

[dull raft]

Okay that's irritating.

[exotic cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/nowhed-containment-containmentbreach-cat-stuck-gif-25842568

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #599.

[exotic cloak]

A cat stealing food is actually accurate for me

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #605.

[empty fern]

(It’s an interesting command BUT, it’ll probably result in a mute at some point)

[exotic cloak]

Clearly

[dull raft]

so that was a lie

[trim grotto]

...what happens if we say...
Catalyst

Okay thank goodness

[outer dragon]

Cat pls

/cat

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #812.

[outer dragon]

Best bot

[shadow crypt]

Was Oryx the strongest hive god

[fast tapir]

aint no way

cat bot real

[empty fern]

Probably not, savathun had the light for a short while

[gentle geyser]

She still does

[trim grotto]

For a time. We can't say definitively though.

The Hive siblings often killed one another. Their comparative power... fluxuated.

[empty fern]

We were all right and wrong. At the same time

[hardy anvil]

OH GOD

the cats

[empty fern]

Yea

[next bobcat]

/cat

[fresh zephyr]

Here's your cat! 🐱 Cat #818.

[next bobcat]

Lil guy

[chrome fog]

This did not seem like, a very good way to test your bot, running it through your actual account and risking mod action for not following channel or server rules.

[lyric cape]

So like how many disciples do we have now?

[trim grotto]

Calus, Rhulk, Nezarec, mysterious dead Disciple

[spiral crane]

What’s ya’lls theories on how we’re gonna kill the witness

[sinful pivot]

💀

[sinful pivot]

sorry thats me

[trim grotto]

should've stayed dead

[sinful pivot]

my bad

oh i have a great idea

[hardy anvil]

We find out he's been a good guy all along and gets killed by another big baddie

And that's how the next sagas starts

[spiral crane]

He gets killed by that cat that killed a ghost 🤯

[hardy anvil]

cat that killed a ghost?

[spiral crane]

I just hope they don’t make him into a gun

That would be a little

Sad

[spiral crane]

Yup

Car is now Strongest character canonically

[sinful pivot]

no thats Esoterickk

[bitter mortar]

In my personal but not professional opinion, we shoot the guy.

[next bobcat]

@fresh zephyr what’s the status of the bot? Could I put it in my server?

Sorry to ping

[crystal wolf]

Came back to the game after a 4 year (surely that can't be right...) break today. Lots of new stuff to explore, last I remember was doing the Leviathan raid waaaayyy back.

[chrome fog]

Oof, welcome back and hope you enjoy the journey catching up

[next bobcat]

We have ice and green strings now

[exotic cloak]

You know

I hope, I really hope

What can be more badass than turning into a gun an entity beyond the concept of god who been travelling and conquering through the galaxy

Entity that at the same time is the union of an entire civilization

[next bobcat]

Like I would be down to be whisper of the worm fr fr

[exotic cloak]

Literally millions of souls

Into a fucking gun

[next bobcat]

Eyebrows as the ADS scope fr Fr

Fr

[chrome fog]

Just it’s arm

The gun is its arm

Just because I think it’d be funny

[pure tree]

Question. How much control does the Drifter have on the taken in Gambit and Reckoning?

And can he only summon them inside the Haul or can they be summoned and controlled outside of the Haul

[dim minnow]

I think it depends

counterfeit Taken I believe he should have good control over (then again, there was the incident with the first Gambit Prime run)

the regular Taken he can summon though his control over them isn't the best

the one he summoned to whack that one Shadow of Yor in his ship tried to attack him

[dim minnow]

he can summon regular Taken outside of the Haul

for instance he once summoned a bunch of primevals to massacre a Cabal patrol that encountered him

and as mentioned, he summoned a Taken Captain to take out a Shadow of Yor in his own ship

counterfeit Taken he seemed to be able to summon outside of the Haul

given that they appear in Gambit Prime

[pure tree]

Ah

Also what's going on with primevals?

[dim minnow]

regular Primevals are just the oldest and meanest Taken Drifter could find

[pure tree]

It's said that they weren't something corrupted by darkness but born from the darkness itself, and incredibly ancient, does that mean taken primevals are just like, a naturally occurring thing?

[dim minnow]

Counterfeit ones are created through the Haul

[dim minnow]

all we really got on them is that they are really old Taken

[pure tree]

That means either that some orimevals are around 1000 or so years old or the eliksni encountered the hive well before the whirlwind

Since there are primeval captains

Or both

[slim girder]

This was a portal peering into the vault of glass but it's showing somewhere different.
Is this still the vault? Because i don't remember any place that looks like this.

[next bobcat]

Ooh that’s interesting

I wish you could go through it

[willow dagger]

@trim grotto in Mara’s dialog she says her mother was the moon and her father was the darkness (or something like that) but are they like actual figures or did she just spawn into existence

[next bobcat]

Awoken

So

Human parents

She’s really old so she was likely in the big awoken event thing

I think the moon thing is a figure of speech

[willow dagger]

Behold! You are not orange thus I cannot trust your word

[next bobcat]

[willow dagger]

[next bobcat]

I’m almost regular

I joined October last year

So I’m grinding

[willow dagger]

Literally who are you? How have I never seen you until a few days ago?

[next bobcat]

I criticised your love of that weird soft drink

[willow dagger]

Omggg

[next bobcat]

Sploosh or whatever

[trim grotto]

Mara Sov was one of the original Awoken.
Back in the Collapse of the Golden Age, the colony ship the Yang Liwei, also known as the Exodus Green, was caught in a blast between Light and Dark. This created a kugelblitz and singularity, which in turn resulted in a pocket dimension.
This was the birth of the Awoken. They reformed into Awoken, living as a mixture of Light and Dark.

A lot of history happened - time flowed differently there - but eventually a splinter faction of these Awoken left this pocket universe (known as the Distributary) and returned to the Sol System. They settled in the Reef, made Mara Sov their queen, and bam. Awoken.

Now, Mara Sov was one of the very original Awoken - in fact, she was the first Awoken. As one of the originals, it was the Light and Dark that remade her - but she was human once, and she had human parents.

[willow dagger]

Wha- it’s called Squirt and it’s apart of the kyra lore

[trim grotto]

as for the quote itself

"I AM MARA SOV. STARLIGHT WAS MY MOTHER, AND MY FATHER WAS THE DARK."

mara's just being dramatic

[willow dagger]

Behold! He has spoken

[next bobcat]

@willow dagger I WAS RIGHT

[next bobcat]

That’s it

[willow dagger]

I guess that’s why I love her so much

[raw hazel]

@trim grotto why are you stimky?

[jagged badge]

Real

[willow dagger]

That and my affinity for space/time

[jagged badge]

HALLY BO

[raw hazel]

Hally who?

[trim grotto]

I will say that this is not a thorough history, nor thorough explanation. She was the one who led the splinter faction, she's the one who set about their civil war, and it was she who fashioned the Awoken into who they are and is why they're not immortal.

[next bobcat]

Kyra I was right acknowledge me

[trim grotto]

The Marasenna is something I heartily recommend reading for history

[willow dagger]

So she’ll die someday?

[next bobcat]

Shaxx:

They’re canonically married now

[jagged badge]

Huh?

[trim grotto]

The Awoken, ever since leaving the Distributary, age. They didn't inside, but they do now.
However, they age very... slowly. They've been around for centuries, since the early Dark Ages. Many generations of humans have passed, and Mara still looks like that.

[next bobcat]

In his hall of heroes flavour text it says he’s a husband

Obvs of Mara

[willow dagger]

Goals tbh

[jagged badge]

No

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-vow

[trim grotto]

Not even in the slightest

[jagged badge]

Shaxx and Mara have never been together

[next bobcat]

Ok

[jagged badge]

They shared one night which consisted of them talking about Sjur Eido

[next bobcat]

Mael send the tab

[jagged badge]

Reminiscing about their memories of her

[willow dagger]

Mara is a queen literally and figuratively, she doesn’t need him

[next bobcat]

And he recited the tempest

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[trim grotto]

oh i'll send it alright

don't worry Eris

[jagged badge]

That doesn’t make them married lmao

[trim grotto]

i got this

[jagged badge]

I wish I had The Vow, I wanna be married to Shaxx 😔

[trim grotto]

sjur eido! the woman i named a tempest!
i told her stories of my friendship with sjur eido and her great bow. mara told me of the lost distributary, and of eido's quest to assassinate her in revenge for the diasyrm, i challenged the obvious lies in this story—the sjur eido I knew, dragon slayer whose arrows pierced illusion, would never have hesitated to kill, no matter how beautiful her target! and how could sjur, who shrugged off talk of gods as nothing of her concern, have also been a fanatical servant of this diasyrm, who cared only for lost divinity? inconsistent! and therefore a lie!
mara was delighted by my disbelief, she told me that she would tell me the truth about sjur if i would only take off my helmet, so she could look into the eyes that had gazed so often on her beloved.
did you know that pothos is another name for asphodelia, the white flower of the awoken? white flower of longing.```

This is the truth behind your "The Helmet stayed on" tab

[next bobcat]

Who’s shaxx married to canonically?

[trim grotto]

Everyone who earned The Vow, and also nobody if you ignore The Vow

[next bobcat]

Polyamory then

[trim grotto]

Read the Vow tab I sent above

In the meantime

I am going to go shower

[jagged badge]

So Hally was right

[raw hazel]

I KNEW IT

[trim grotto]

Hally was indeed right

[next bobcat]

Sigma

[willow dagger]

Just for the record, it is a good soda

[next bobcat]

Ok then

[willow dagger]

[trim grotto]

Because of this, you now have to learn why I am stimky

Because of getting a flu shot, I spent all last night with symptoms - including shivering and freezing but also sweating the entire night. I woke up in the morning damp. I did not have time to shower before work, and after work, I had to move furniture and a fridge.

This has resulted in: Stimky Mael

[next bobcat]

Hope you get better buddy 👍👍

I read the vow tab, who did he marry? Arcite?

I can’t tell

[trim grotto]

The Vow was a bow earned by any Guardian who participated in the Crimson Days 2v2 PvP event to a high enough degree

It was an old, now removed, valentines event

[next bobcat]

So polyamory. I was correct!

Why did you say to read the thing?

[trim grotto]

Context

[next bobcat]

I read it before sending that message

What’s the scream and doves thing?

[raw hazel]

eugh

been marinating all day

[trim grotto]

Juicy

[next bobcat]

Mael’s being pickled

[raw hazel]

CURSED

[next bobcat]

Pickaelstronnar

Name change petition

[trim grotto]

Someone saw a weird white flying thing and got scared

Didn't know what a dove was

[next bobcat]

Haha

Imagine it was saint

WHITE PIGEON WHAT IS THIS HERESY

[willow dagger]

Wait wait wait wait WAIT-

You mean to tell me that Awoken are just zombies with a good skincare routine?!?!

@trim grotto

[next bobcat]

Guardians are just zombies with no need for a skincare routine

Or sleep or food, for that matter

Awoken just live for a long time

[willow dagger]

… It’s been ruined! Destiny is just an aesthetic zombie game

[next bobcat]

Yes

[willow dagger]

This is why I don’t think, bad things happen

[next bobcat]

Always has been

Cope

[willow dagger]

Ugh! How am I supposed to sleep now?! What if I think again and ruin another thing?!

Mara is a zombie queen omg

[trim grotto]

I do not mean to tell you that

Nothing about them is zombie-esque

[next bobcat]

[willow dagger]

I’m so confused

[trim grotto]

Alright alright just
Let me finish up, one moment

[willow dagger]

Omg she’s green… some zombies in cartoons are GREEEENN

[trim grotto]

I... don't...
She isn't green though

[willow dagger]

How is she not green?

Her skin is like a glowy green

[next bobcat]

No?

It isn’t?

[willow dagger]

Wdym

[trim grotto]

She's a pale grey with a dash of blue

[next bobcat]

Send a pic then

[trim grotto]

Like many Awoken

[willow dagger]

Wha- why is my awoken green?!

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-destiny2-thequeen-queen-my-gif-12676920

[next bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/mara-sov-gif-19327023

[willow dagger]

Omg

[next bobcat]

I looked at the gifs

I am scarred

[willow dagger]

I am too

[next bobcat]

Don’t do savathûn

Don’t do it

Don’t

[willow dagger]

She still looks a little green

[trim grotto]

hm
yes
green

[willow dagger]

Wha

[next bobcat]

Checked her skin colour on an RGB wheel, it is only 14 green

Very not green

[willow dagger]

I guess

I have to stop looking because I have seen things I cannot un see

[next bobcat]

STOP

STOP DOING IT

[willow dagger]

She looks human there! In game she looks glowy and green!

[next bobcat]

Whatever you do do not switch this topic to savathun or Elsie bray

[willow dagger]

Her hair doesn’t even look blonde in game

[next bobcat]

There is nothing about her who is zombiesque

[velvet flax]

I dont get why recent cutscenes like the Lightfall intro one and even in the recent Final Shape trailer makes her look really old lmao

[willow dagger]

Omg is she aging?! Is she going to die

NO

[next bobcat]

She looks noticeably older

[willow dagger]

not the zombie queen

[next bobcat]

I think bungie deliberately changed her look for… reasons

[willow dagger]

~waiting for orange to finish typing~

[next bobcat]

Roleist

[trim grotto]

anywho, back at computer
so

Awoken are in no way zombie like

The Awoken were originally human. When they were reformed (as Mara directed) by the Light and Dark's collision, they became a version of the beings we know today. Originally, there were a total of 48,091.

These Awoken, inside the Distributary, lived forever - but they could still die.
Third, that the Awoken should multiply in wombs of flesh and machine, but only after the most careful forecast of population and ecology, and only under the supervision of those who knew the good technology; for each new child would be immortal.
The Awoken created a civilisation, had children, generations, spread.

After centuries, when the splinter faction left the Distributary, this splinter faction who became the Awoken we know today discovered their mild latent Paracausality, yet also that they now aged, albeit slowly.

"Tell me more." Mara poured her a snifter of icy cometary water. "What does magic mean?"

"Some sort of weak acausality." Kelda lowered her flowerbulb build into a hammock of tangled plastic. "They've been firing encoded neutrino beams through volunteers, and it looks as if the resulting patterns of scatter depend on the cognitive and emotional state of the target. It's a very reliable detection, at least four sigma, but the effect size is terribly small."

Mara digested this with a shot of ancient ice, slushy against her tongue. "Acausality. You mean that whatever's happening—whatever influence we have on, say, neutrino beams—it's not accounted for by physics?"

"Not by any physics we know. At face, it seems to violate some conservation laws, which would make Emmy Noether's head spin." Kelda remembers the names of her ancient physicist heroes even when she cannot tell which way is sunward.

"Secret physics." Mara thought of the Traveler and its works. "We've all felt it, haven't we? We know we're…" How to say "trapped in the clinch between light and dark," she wondered, without quite so much portent? "We're in contact with certain numinous elements."

Kelda held out her cup for more water. "The question is, your Majesty—"

"Don't call me that. We're operating on a direct democracy here."

Kelda rolled her eyes. "The question is, do we continue to think of this as science? Do we teach it as physics? Causal closure says that everything that happens in a material system has a material cause. However, if symbolic structures in the mind are triggering material effect… shouldn't we call that what it is?"

"Death had no dominion," Mara whispered.

"Pardon?"

"We're in Death's dominion now. We're all dying again. We were immortal in the Distributary, weren't we? Some part of us was… attuned to the universe. And now that we're no longer receiving the Distributary's signal, we're attuned to something new."```

[velvet flax]

bruh

[trim grotto]

As for her ageing, I will reiterate that she has been ageing since the early Dark Ages, and that she started out from a physical age of 19.

This was centuries ago.

[next bobcat]

Physical age of 19 BUNGIE

Why they do this

[trim grotto]

She was 19 when the kugelblitz happened. She was immortal in the Distributary and lived for thousands of years. When she emerged from the Distributary, centuries ago, she began to age, like all Awoken.

[next bobcat]

Yep

And crow’s always been emo?

[trim grotto]

Also, Seth Dickinson wrote the Marasenna, which detailed the origin of the Awoken. Not "Bungie".

[willow dagger]

oooooohhhh ok I feel better. I can sleep now.

[next bobcat]

Ok

[willow dagger]

The Ukrainian lady whispers at me once more

[next bobcat]

What

Who

?

[trim grotto]

Que

[next bobcat]

Who’s Ukrainian? What does this mean?

[trim grotto]

Uldren's always been a bit of a scrapper. Emo doesn't really fit the bill until... unless referring to the Guardians, whom he hated, and particularly after his stunt in the Black Garden, which messed his head up.

I have no idea

[next bobcat]

Hair

Just hair

And his motif is a dark bird, a crow, a group of which is known as a murder

So we have the space emo and the space zombie queen

@willow dagger who is Ukrainian

[jagged badge]

Crow’s a pretty upbeat and personable guy when he’s not dealing with his understandably bleak shit

[next bobcat]

Ik

Hair tho

[jagged badge]

It’s just a hairstyle

[trim grotto]

He was the master of crows. Which were literally crow-like spy drones.

As for what Uldren was like as a Human...

I will preface this by saying Awoken forgot their names upon recreation and thus had similar yet different names for themselves -

[next bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/uldren-sov-destiny-gun-aim-gif-14394696

[trim grotto]

Uldwyn grins messily at Mara over his opponent's shoulder. He's fighting a big, brutal woman from Gravity Ops, a woman who's had her myostatin genes knocked out so she can swell up into a giant plug of brawn. Uldwyn doesn't have a chance. He took the fight for the same reason he wanted to join the Amrita expedition—he measures himself by the bravery of his losses. By what he can survive losing.

He applies a blood choke. It's the right move, but it doesn't matter. The woman groans, grays out, goes limp—but Uldwyn can't get out from beneath her sheer inertia before he hits the killzone. The bell goes off. Uldwyn groans as his rail-hard body forcibly decelerates his opponent's entire mass. Events have built up momentum, and he is just in the way.```

[next bobcat]

Emo?

[jagged badge]

Villain

[trim grotto]

I wouldn't really compare Corrupted-By-Taken-Energy+Riven+Black-Garden+Literally-Mentally-Ill Uldren to normal Uldren

[next bobcat]

That’s fair

[chrome fog]

Oh boy wait til you hear about Scorn

And… Shriekers? Shadow Cabaaaaaaal

[ember storm]

they don’t really count

I mean if I make a camera out of bones it’s not really a zombie is it

[empty fern]

[ember storm]

that’s what shriekers are

made of chitin and bones

[stone rover]

Ah skeletons then

[chrome fog]

Lich constructs

Which, the Hive are liches

[exotic cloak]

Wait Shadow Legion are zombies

I know the majority are Calus clones but

That count as zombies?

[jagged badge]

[chrome fog]

Zombies in a more avant garde way, like a couple degrees closer to zombies than most

Corporate zombies, in the business of war

[exotic cloak]

Mindless soldiers sounds better but I guess zombies fit

[chrome fog]

That dialogue about them trying to replicate Rites of Proving but not really getting the cultural history behind it, somewhat a result of Calus I think??? I think the implication is that their nature as clones being purpose built to serve in the Witness' army and Calus' whims makes them mentally suppressed in a way they think their half-assed Rites would fulfill

[empty fern]

Lost sector moment

[thorny scarab]

Who is speaking in the eris morn Grimoire card?

[chrome fog]

#📚lore-discussion message

Funny that Waltz asked the same question before

[thorny scarab]

DAMN IT TOLAND

Man I hate Toland, such an asshole

What has he ever done for us?

[blazing wasp]

Give us a neat guidebook through the hellmouth

[thorny scarab]

Gotcha. How many people has he gotten killed?

[blazing wasp]

Uhhh

At least 4 I reckon

[thorny scarab]

Meh

Sounds like a net-loss

[exotic cloak]

What's the ADU

[empty fern]

Automatic Destiny Unification

[eager trout]

Advanced Defense Unit

Is there a lore reason why The Whisper is SO ANNOYINGLY HARD?

[ember storm]

if it’s an advanced defense unit why am I the one defending it

[exotic cloak]

I know is a joke but I gues is like a reactor

Keep that shit working to keep the turrets and the other defenses working

[ember storm]

IT WOULDN’T NEED TURRETS IF IT DID ITS OWN JOB

[empty fern]

Automatic Defective Utility

[chrome fog]

I’m thinking the Logic is that, they take a shit ton of time to set up - even moreso for the advanced ones - and so you’re doing all the set up of gathering scrap and whatnot to establish preexisting defenses as well as resources for the ADUs to consume

[empty fern]

Speaking of into the light

wtf why are pyramids right in the last city (and Vostok)

Like midtown what happened

[exotic cloak]

I think the cinematic pretty much explained it

Enemies attack, we protect

[trim grotto]

We atak
But also protec

[next bobcat]

But most importantly

We badass as shit ‘

[opaque turtle]

yo guys who's ghost did this cat body

[spiral crane]

What kind of economic style does the last city use

Capitalism?

[opaque turtle]

probably some form of capitalism, there's vendors set up everywhere in the tower

I mean yeah we literally pay banshee for stuff

[exotic cloak]

In what part of the hall is the little guy

[opaque turtle]

way back behind the servers, there's a little hole thing? it's the opposide side of superblack omega

[exotic cloak]

Thanks

[opaque turtle]

maybe... it's shaxx's cat?

because of the crest on the hall is a cat

[next bobcat]

Nah

[exotic cloak]

Shaxx is married to all players now? I understand he is married who anyone who has the vow but

I have 0 idea about that vow

And people talk about five years and I got here on defiance

[opaque turtle]

if this is what I think it's about, all of Destiny 2's events happen in real time, therefore all of destiny 2 has taken place over 5 years

our guardian is (if you were a day 1 player) cannonically only 10

hold on

nine and a bit

[jagged badge]

The Guardian is the same character no matter when you began playing

[next bobcat]

Hate how the guardian is everyone

[jagged badge]

How else would it work

[next bobcat]

Make it so that you’re one of many guardians, all equally powerful

The vanguard sees all these guardians in the tower and is like “yep that’s one person”

[exotic cloak]

I mean in the canon it does not work that way

[jagged badge]

Well no, obviously not

[next bobcat]

They gave a MMO game a single-player story lmao

[jagged badge]

It’s like there’s literally a billion Young Wolves running around

[next bobcat]

Yes

Exactly

[jagged badge]

Not like

I meant

I’m typing too fast

[exotic cloak]

Well technically that's right because Iron Banner

[jagged badge]

There is canonically one The Guardian, and you play as them

[exotic cloak]

[next bobcat]

I’m almost at regular guys

[jagged badge]

Which means your character you play gets to have meaningful interpersonal relationships and shared history with the characters in the game

[next bobcat]

Like 4 messages away

[exotic cloak]

Anyway I asked that because as far as I understood only people who got the vow would see that

I guess that was wrong

[chrome fog]

The ambiguity of the Young Wolf amidst the various Guardians allows the possibility for your Guardian to be The Guardian

There’s also a bit on how lore is discovered by the player through activities that they will frequent that allows them to shape how their version of The Guardian is, though for all intents and purposes we just consider everything as canon

[empty fern]

(Elsie with like 200 strangers rifles in her closet)

[eager trout]

What's the origin of Taking?

[jagged badge]

The Witness

Oryx learned it from the Witness

[eager trout]

Ok, thanks

[trim grotto]

*probably

[slim girder]

Imagine if they decided as part of transcendence using weapons of sorrow counted as doing dark damage.

I think that'd be a pretty cool nod to how "evil" those weapons are

[gentle geyser]

Evil and dark are not the same thing

[slim girder]

Right I know it's not all that i was just describing the weapons of sorrow is all.

That's a whole rabbit hole to go down

[gentle geyser]

They still don’t count

Plus kinetic weapons do both light and dark

Whatever isn’t full kinetic will do

[slim girder]

I know. It was just a thought that's all.

[thorny scarab]

What is this “great disaster”?

[gentle geyser]

Specifically?

[thorny scarab]

Wdym specifically

[gentle geyser]

Theres a few and I haven’t heard that term used yet

[thorny scarab]

I just have heard the term “The Great Disaster”

And I want to know what it’s about

[gentle geyser]

Who said it

[thorny scarab]

The Ghost

*Our Ghost

During Witch Queen

I’ve also heard other destiny players discuss it, though I never got a good idea on what it was

[gentle geyser]

Just searched the channel logs

[thorny scarab]

Hmmm…
OH @trim grotto

[thorny scarab]

Ah

[gentle geyser]

It was an event long ago on the moon involving eris and other guardians

[thorny scarab]

Nevermind Mael, my b

[thorny scarab]

Ah

Got specifics?

[trim grotto]

[dim minnow]

ok

so the Great Disaster was a battle that took place at some point prior to D1 during the earlier part of the City Age

it followed the Battle of Burning Lake which was the first major battle Guardians had with the Hive

Burning Lake was a close victory, and we still had little understanding of Hive weaponry at that time, yet the Vanguard decided to storm the Moon in order to reclaim it from the Hive

as a result, Crota and his knights emerged and slew thousands of Guardians

hence why the battle is known as The Great Disaster

[trim grotto]

One in particular
Possibly our greatest loss before the current day

At least Twilight Gap had a successful comeback

[thorny scarab]

Dang

Dum vanguard ig

[trim grotto]

We had little experience fighting the Hive, nor did we know that Crota was going to be functionally invincible to us. Furthermore, we assumed an army of Guardians, thousands strong, would be enough This battle was centuries ago, and taught us a harsh lesson.

[chrome fog]

Also why we use the Strike system most of the time and rarely rally a full military front

[thorny pelican]

Hey guys so I’m just getting back from a kinda long D2 break and have a few questions:

1. Do the Starcrossed missions for Wishkeeper’s catalyst have a specific order I should do them in story wise or do they not have a canonical order in the story?

2. Is there any lore associated with the starcrossed mission outside of the catalyst quests and lore entries?

3. What’s the story behind Riven’s Wishes? Are they just quests Mara gives us out of the blue with the filler text explaining them or is there any buildup?

[hot quarry]

I’m returning… I remember many fragments of what the world and user interface used to be- So I’m completely behind on such deep, immaculate lore; but that doesn’t deter me from protecting Earth 💪💯🔫✨

[trim grotto]

They do have an order, but it isn't a significant break or issue to do them outside of order.

No, the associated lorebook is pretty self contained.

There isn't much of one - it's just Riven giving us a little fairwell gift/challenge

[trim grotto]

Welcome back, Guardian. Feel free to ask us here if you're in need of answers! I won't be around for an hour or so, but the other regulars will probably help you out in the meantime.

[exotic cloak]

You returned in the perfect moment Bungie is cooking good shit

And now all DLCs are in sales if you want to get up to date with them

[hot quarry]

Anyone want to get me those discounted DLCs 😅🥲😅 I am super broke with bills and everything, but I know that the game is so much more enjoyable with all that extra content

[exotic cloak]

Yeah but now theres a pretty modest amount of free content

Maybe you will miss the current season but now the active event is Into The Light, that is a free event that added a new mode, and brought back some weapons

Just do New Light normally and then go there, you can get some decent equipment easy, also now you cant get maxium power equipment completely free

[hot quarry]

OK being as I don’t know what any of that means, I’d love to acquire the abundance of free content like asap

[hot quarry]

May I dm you? you seem pretty knowledgeable about the lore, which is like my favorite aspect of games. Plus, I would greatly appreciate you helping a complete novice with the insane amount of content I have missed up until this point.

[exotic cloak]

Im very amateur in the lore

I been playing for just one year

These guys are the experts, especially Mael

[exotic cloak]

new light is the tutorial

create a new character to get everything explained

[hot quarry]

I I’m about to jump back into it now, years later

[velvet flax]

I'd recommend looking at this. It gives a high level overview of the timeline of events of the Destiny universe. I'd also recommend doing extra research on this site, Ishtar Collective, it has every lore tab of every item as well as every lore book and also has curated pieces of lore that are relevant to the story of specific characters that are worth looking into.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/timeline

[jagged badge]

For the record, you might wanna read the rules

[silk nova]

its a very deep hole

[next bobcat]

America and Russia’s nuclear silos might still be active

Could we just nuke the pyramids?

[ember storm]

no and no

[exotic cloak]

Even if they are

Im pretty sure that nuclear weapons are pretty much not working

To do the actual reaction and go kaboom they need some chemicals that well

They pretty much stop doing its thing after time

50k years

And considering Fallen are scarvengers even if they are still working im pretty sure they disarmed them to get materials

[eager trout]

What do the Fallen have to not consider nukes as useful weapons?

[ember storm]

the fact that they’re useless in space

and fallen would probably value nuclear power more as a source of energy rather than just “fuck you blow up”

their whole thing is survival, aside from Salvation

also you’re assuming any nuclear weapon survived the collapse and wasn’t just part of it

there’s a Manhattan nuclear Zone and Panama ravine for a reason

[buoyant gull]

What is the ley lines Mara keeps talking about

[ember storm]

subject introduced in season of the Lost

it’s a system to basically wormhole through the ascendant plane thanks to the blind well

[buoyant gull]

Thank you

You seem to know a lot

[ember storm]

I just remember dumb things from years ago that don’t serve actual purpose

[buoyant gull]

I have another question

[ember storm]

shoot

[buoyant gull]

Why can’t the witness just slice us like they did in the lightfall trailer

Seems op

[ember storm]

doesn’t care enough to do so

it has better things to do

this is why it employed Calus

he was an egotist never wanting to admit he was wrong with an army at his disposal

[buoyant gull]

So it doesn’t see us as a threat?

[ember storm]

we’re a threat but more of the idea of one

at the moment we don’t directly threaten it

which is why everything below the witness is sent to deal with us

the witness has to do the whole thing inside the traveler personally

why take the time to go personally kill all guardians beforehand

[buoyant gull]

How long has it been since it entered the traveler

[ember storm]

since the end of LF

so like a year basically

[buoyant gull]

Yeah so what’s taking so long

[ember storm]

couldn’t tell you how it works

that’s for final shape to explain

[buoyant gull]

Hmm

Alr

[ember storm]

if you ask me the explanation is probably going to be the traveler is fighting back or something

and the moment we get inside is when the traveler starts losing

universe’s longest arm wrestling match

[buoyant gull]

Yeah probably

How long have you been playing d2

[ember storm]

since release

[buoyant gull]

I missed a ton of stuff so I’m just catching up with videos and stuff

[ember storm]

I lost my original account with D1 back then too

it doesn’t really matter thought because the “loot” you got for being a D1 vet was pretty shit

[buoyant gull]

Also is this egregore stuff significant in any way

[exotic cloak]

I really like this honestly

[ember storm]

I mean imagine it this way

a ton of wasps can kill you

but they’re wasps so you can basically avoid them

and you’ve been working to get this super good anti spray that’s going to get rid of them all

are you going to take your time killing all the ones in your way

or just keep working on the solution while others keep the wasps at bay for you

[buoyant gull]

I wonder if we’ll even defeat the witness in the final shape because then what are the seasons for

[ember storm]

just darkness mushroom stuff

helped us learn that darkness is linked to mental stuff but not particularly important on its own

[exotic cloak]

yeah but that gives the possibility of the wasp managing to beat those others, basically what is happening. Thats because I first saw it stupid but I really like the idea of Witness just dont caring

Kinda like Rhulk

[ember storm]

basically just a visual clue to know “this place is probably fucked”

like how the leviathan turned out

[exotic cloak]

we literally entered his base and beaten all of his army and bro started to take us serious when he was about to die

[jagged badge]

The episodes are about other plot threads. The Vex, the Scorn and the Hive

[buoyant gull]

Ohh

That’s cool

[ember storm]

pretty sure bungie confirmed it’s going to be a campaign + raid ending

like forsaken

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

[exotic cloak]

Talks about the ego this creatures have, so yeah the witness just does not give a shit about us so he doesnt even try to beat us because we are not an instant threat

[buoyant gull]

They will regret it

Imagine if they did a 12 people raid for the witness

[exotic cloak]

Not taking down the enemy because they are a threat is precisely what allowed them to become a threat

Is very well executed

[ember storm]

would be fucked

you can barely count on 5 people to do their jobs

11 would be hell

[exotic cloak]

high end is actually not that much played

I think less than 1% of player would manage to even try a 12 players raid

[buoyant gull]

Imagine doing it with the fireteam finder 💀

I can’t even do dungeons properly with fireteam finder

[exotic cloak]

I can

[buoyant gull]

People disconnect all the time

[exotic cloak]

Some dungeons requiere actual communication but everyone knows what to do on grasp, prophecy and pit

[buoyant gull]

Yeah I meant gotd and wr

I’m gonna preorder annual pass tomorrow hopefully

What do we know about the architects are they even mentioned in the game?

Is this all we know?

[trim grotto]

It's Bungie's term for unexplained and/or physics deaths. In Halo, it was the Guardians. Obviously they couldn't reuse that name.

[ember storm]

pretty sure it’s just mean to be a joke

like you failed a parkour jump and died

[buoyant gull]

Yeah

[ember storm]

the architect of the parkour killed you

[buoyant gull]

I know that

What about the nine

[ember storm]

sentient space dust