#šŸ“šlore-discussion

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eager trout
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But look at the Traveler's current "state" long enough

ember storm
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like triangle state or broken state?

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Maybe letā€™s not try to allude to whatever youā€™re getting at either?

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If itā€™s against the rules

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Anyways

ember storm
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Also side note

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Oh, go ahead

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coral kiln
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sigh

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Adults acting like adults

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Not anymore

ember storm
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mf really just typed out asterisk sigh asterisk unironically

coral kiln
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šŸ˜¦

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Any other lore questions eevee and star?

ember storm
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I have a lore question

heavy vortex
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is cold heart stasis

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Ye

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doghive

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No

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yes

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Words

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Honee

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my idol

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Thank you Seth

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Also Hi Ven!!!!

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Feels like forever

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Thatā€™s gonna come in handy

ember storm
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ok but how do we feel about this cutscene

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in a lore and critical sense

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Actually so happy I have this now, itā€™s gonna be so funny seeing people complain about rules

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coral kiln
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Dude ur one the most toxic people in this channel

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fuck

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YISSS

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ember storm
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Your prize is one sketch of your choosing

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Banshee sketch

ember storm
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make it lore related

eager trout
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I hate myself for that thought

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eager trout
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chrome fog
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Yissss

ember storm
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anyway another challenge for you

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I remember an old grimoire describing the struggle with Exos differentiating their body and their armor

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Find it for me

eager trout
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There's a difference?

ember storm
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what do you think exo guardians are wearing??

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cardboard???

eager trout
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You mean armor as in the things we can change or the armor their body already has?

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ember storm
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Exo bodies have no armor

eager trout
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Then what are the hard parts?

chrome fog
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Their body

ember storm
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theyā€™re just made of things tougher than human skin

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Itā€™s not armor

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yes all the exos on Europa are naked

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ignore that

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No we will not elaborate for the sake of rule 3

eager trout
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I already know that

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Been there

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Seen that

thorn plover
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Witness is bad šŸ‘

chrome fog
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Anyways more questions, or maybe a break considering Iā€™ve been on this change for 2 hours straight

ember storm
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anyway who thought itā€™d be a good idea to put my splicer gauntlet in the aquarium

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# thorn plover Witness is bad šŸ‘

Genuinely thank you and good job for recognizing this, Iā€™m not kidding when Iā€™m saying there are so many people who come in here saying the Witness was in the right

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Internally sobbing because someone Gets It

thorn plover
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Oh uhh thx

eager trout
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I get saying Thanos was right, but why Witness?

coral kiln
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Why not

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thorn plover
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When like he couldā€™ve just doubled resources

eager trout
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But what's their argument for the Witness?

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coral kiln
ember storm
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he couldā€™ve just made himself immortal and kept doing it ad infinitum

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it was never about saving the universe

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it was about his ego

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But we all know its true

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he suggested an idea and his home died ignoring it

warm gazelle
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there is zero argument for thanos or his plan lol

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he just took it personally

eager trout
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the witness is kind of similar

coral kiln
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No one likes stasis wdym?

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thorn plover
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In any case, itā€™s people not learning to move beyond the initial nihilistic conclusion that existence has no inherent meaning, that we should make our own Fate, our own Destiny, our own meaning for living. As much as others help, itā€™s not up to them how we should live, ultimately we decide that

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they either adhere to his judgment or stop existing

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I do

coral kiln
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CANT MOVE

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Fun?

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My second fav element

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coral kiln
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We are enemies

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there is zero difference

eager trout
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Stasis is fun, just wish it had buffs; this discussion is not relevant and itā€™s apparent you are not going to be budging from your position. Move on everyone.

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I dont remember that section of the lore were characters started to disscus stasis

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coral kiln
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Not being frozen u could run away and not die

warm gazelle
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i have never used stasis just bc it looked kinda lame ngl, the powers are building ice blocks

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Elsie

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that was literally the entirety of BL

thorn plover
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everything that year was discussing stasis and overall darkness

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Anyways

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it was also accurate

warm gazelle
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as an introduction to the concept of our guardians using darkness powers, stasis is just kinda underwhelming imo

ember storm
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Shaw Han was there

coral kiln
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Its a struggle sometimes. Especially Hunters super

ember storm
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truly the worst of times

thorn plover
coral kiln
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Ugh I'm tilted just thinking about it

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warm gazelle
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the biggest hurdle in handling strand was just figuring out how it worked

thorn plover
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Dude am a stasis fan alr??

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Shaw Han appearing for 10 seconds and doesnt even talk

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the disrespect

thorn plover
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Anyways, feelings on Stasis aside as they are not relevant, any questions any one actually has about lore

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Stasis was about trying to utilize darkness overall and whether it was even a good idea

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that dudes has done something in lore?

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he existed in d1?

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Well of Gun

thorn plover
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I hope he dies

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coral kiln
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Brb I need to mald off screen

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Gun Well of Radiance and also chad New Light recruiter and guide

warm gazelle
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shaw han is the dude you meet in the cosmodrone if you make a new character right?

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warm gazelle
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I just found out about him yesterday

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He may have at least gotten his leg armour from it though

thorn plover
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New Newlight guy

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okey knowing that the BL moment is more disrespecful

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warm gazelle
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the cosmodrone intro didn't exist when i made my D2 character

eager trout
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Ok, so
Red-
Orange-Solar
Yellow-
Green-Strand
Blue-Arc
Indigo-Stasis (if you stretch it)
Violet-Void

We just need red and yellow subclasses to complete the Lantern Light and Dark Bearer Corps

warm gazelle
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so never saw him until now

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I hate color theory

eager trout
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At least we have people with red and yellow power I guess

warm gazelle
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those guardians in his squad were mid, one of them lost to a single hive witch. they're like my average nightfall squad

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he had shit teammates for his nightfall

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Siva

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I can relate

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warm gazelle
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lmao @ember storm we had the same thought

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In fairness I bet the average player canā€™t solo The Disgraced as a Nightfall which is essentially what Maeve and Cass had to do

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ember storm
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Yeah but Shaw got her down to 1/3

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heā€™s based

warm gazelle
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this is also what happens when the squad doesn't group up

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If my laptop would hurry up, I can get his gun well entry

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coral kiln
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Theres Siva on Nessus

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it doesnā€™t mean anything

coral kiln
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y not

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Cloudstrider tech is literally just SIVA 2.0

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itā€™s useless without a replication chamber

warm gazelle
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speculation on a new subclass?

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Save for events which predated the expansion and gave us further context about the Iron Lords and Rasputin

coral kiln
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That does?

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warm gazelle
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but the little bar thingy in our inventory is full

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Baja blast

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warm gazelle
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i found out how to make baja blast the other day

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it's sprite, mountain dew and blue powerade

coral kiln
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Outbreak Perfected Siva still working fine

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eager trout
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If Solar is nuclear fusion, Void is space-time, Arc is atomic bonds, why not a subclass about controlling matter itself? Could be themed after earth or sand and be yellow.

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coral kiln
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TIL

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coral kiln
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Thats pretty cool

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which means itā€™s only usable as the gun

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ember storm
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it was an intentional design choice on Shiroā€™s part

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What did Eramis want it for then?

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coral kiln
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Get buff as fuck

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Was she mistaken about being able to use it for other things or did she literally just want a gun

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her plan was to just rally ex devils under her banner

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Ah

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which she ended up doing anyway with salvation

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Anyways SIVA dead in the dirt, hehaw cry SIVA subclass wanters

warm gazelle
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miss me with the new subclass, give me eliksni as playable race pls

ember storm
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she did a little trolling

coral kiln
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I assumed VoW gun tech would be replacing Siva

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eager trout
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A sand subclass that focuses more around making constructs than just shooting stuff would be cool

chrome fog
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Exactly

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I mean we already have a class that constructs shit, a bit

warm gazelle
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sand should've been the time powers subclass

eager trout
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Though first they need to make Stasis and Strand into complete subclasses that have at least two bursts and the copy+paste grenades that have slightly different effects

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And deepsight

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warm gazelle
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all i want from strand is for the titan to have something other than the shitty useless barricade for its class ability

coral kiln
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Lmao

eager trout
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All of them technically do, but like specifically a sand or terraforming subclass as the last subclass would be neat; though I also donā€™t expect them to add it in Final Shape, as theyā€™re most likely focusing on just making the campaign good and adding a new subclass after just adding one last year would be extraneous on their part

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warm gazelle
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why is striker the only titan subclass that has something other than barricade

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barricade is so ass

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coral kiln
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Warlocks only get blink

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whaterver the fuck is the third arc clas abilit

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is like a dodge but cooler?

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Anyways this is getting out of the domain of lore, we should probably reign it back in

coral kiln
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Thrust?

chrome fog
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As fun as it is speculating, we did already have a situation with mods in this channel, so it might be best to move this to #āœØdestiny-discussion or move back into lore

ember storm
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ok hereā€™s some lore discussion

coral kiln
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Why do Hunters get all the cool knives for melees

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why did Clovis make his new body horrendously blue and ugly

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Probably felt that way with the realization he wasnā€™t a great person

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Okey, since we were talking, what was the context behind Wrath Of The Machines? I seen that the raid and Taniks itself was a siva based enemie

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eager trout
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why does it not remotely resemble the giant head tho ough

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his type of evil is the type of evil that cannot have good taste

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Self loathing and also time constraints

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and to aquire taste is to stop being evil

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They also have radiant dodge

eager trout
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Any lore explanations on what can or cannot become a subclass?

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elaborate?

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Yeah fr sus question

eager trout
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Subclasses are basically just the different forms that Light and Darkness can take

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We've already seen the Traveler using Light to create plants and such

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That orange energy

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But no subclass can do such things

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eager trout
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So what's the explanation on why the subclasses we have are specifically those aspects of the universe?

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Well, for Arc, Solar and Void, they are naturally elements. Arc Light, Solar Light and Void Light manipulates these elements as Light

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The subclasses of Light in and of themselves are manipulations of fundamental forces in the universe - Solar for atomic bonds, which if you know science know that messing with the bonds between atoms results in the release of energy, usually heat; Arc is for Static electricity, which itself correlated to the bonds between atomic molecules; and Void corresponds to potential energy, which blackholes are the ultimate demonstration of how powerful potential energy can be

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Darkness subclasses are moreā€¦ esoteric and flexible, considering they moreso correlate to mental state of mind than understanding of the fundamentals of the universe

eager trout
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So we could have a subclass related to madness

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Or depression

ember storm
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not really

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Stasis correlates to control, both of yourself and of the world around you; whereas Strand is more so about the flow which connects each and every Thing in existence, relinquishing control and allowing yourself to follow your instincts and where the universe guides you

eager trout
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What about emotions? Are they part of darkness?

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Essentially yes, thatā€™s a simple way of putting it that makes sense

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But more or less, emotions are controlled by Darkness

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Wait, so Darkness isn't really about evil or bad things, but it's actually just the things about the universe that are kept in the "dark" (as in, not observable due to being in the mind or simply ethereal)

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Yes! Genuinely, that is what Darkness is about, the metaphysical parts of existence which are not initially perceptible

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I posted Osirisā€™ findings and explanation on the subject of each subclass as well as the dichotomy of Light and Darkness yesterday, but itā€™s really good if you want to learn more
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The pinned messages also have some explanations from the community on what the subclasses are (save for Strand, though)

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do you think house would be a warlock

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Heā€™d be a knob which ever class he becomes

eager trout
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Probably a warlock

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did

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did you just work that out

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No, I mean like, wrong about the nature of Darkness

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ok wait do you mean wrong morally or objectively

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because the witness isnā€™t wrong about that

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itā€™s literally just a liar

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it presented itself as the darkness numerous times as a means of manipulation

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# eager trout So the Witness is wrong.

Yes, the Witness was purposefully manipulating individuals through the Darkness to make it appear as if the Darkness was a wholly corruptive force; us gaining control over Stasis in the BL campaign without the use of a pyramid splinter starts us on the realization that the Darkness can be controlled by anyone and used for good instead of being wholly corruptive

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To put it in a lighter tone that Waltz

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Is there anyone who the Witness thinks it's serving or doing this for?

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Itā€™s doing all this for itself and - by its own perception - to save the universe from existing without an inherent purpose

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itā€™s basically a savior complex but saving is very weird and grotesque murder

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from what we know the Witness only has one goal and it's completely for itself: The Final Shape

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Which itself is restrictive and will lead to all life being dedicated to killing one another for the sole purpose of proving who deserves to live more, via the Sword Logic which it peddled to the Hive

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which is pretty much "perfection will only be found in nothingness"

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funnily enough the witness' goal is such an overused trope it's hilarious

eager trout
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Who or what is the Winnower?

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the final shape is cheesy garlic bread

calm granite
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muh existence is pain so universe has to stop

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With taken butter

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itā€™s nihilism taken to the extreme

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honestly I donā€™t know which is worse

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# eager trout Who or what is the Winnower?

We donā€™t really know, but the best bet is that itā€™s a self-insert oc the Witness whipped up to ridicule the Travelerā€™s ideals, not realizing how unconvincing it is

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the implication that not every member of the witness race wanted it to happen but was forced to anyway

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or the idea that every single one was 100% on board

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Man. Fuck new discord mobile for not letting me manually input the filter options

eager trout
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Anyways hereā€™s my explanation as to how Destiny is an allegory for combatting nihilism, which it makes fairly blatant in its phrasing but itā€™s also too blunt for a majority of the player base to get
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I like the trope of "arrogant villain who is really just a terrible person that causes destruction in the name of an entity that doesn't even know they exist"

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Witness = nihilistic chuds lamenting the inherent meaninglessness of existence
Traveler and Guardians = making your own reason for living and shutting that dumb nihilistic conclusion down

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the witness intentionally targets egotistical maniacs with one specific redeeming quality that are easily swayed

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the moment it accomplishes one thing with them it just completely abandons them

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Rhulk was basically just used as muscle to force the worm gods to cooperate, Nezarec was leading the charge on humanity because the witness was occupied, and all Calus was there for was to secure the veil while the witness restrained the traveler

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Like once you notice it, itā€™s is really unsubtle what Destiny is commenting on regarding nihilism

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The disciples as we know them to be are extremely blatant parallels to the unhealthy paths individuals go down when they discover nihilism states thereā€™s no inherent meaning to life

ember storm
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do you remember the people who kept trying to argue how Clovis was the good guy

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Meathead who uses it to excuse their abuse of power (Rhulk), narcissist who uses it as a way to justify their pursuit of further vanity (Calus), and chucklefucks who uses it to just mess everything up (Nezzy)

eager trout
# chrome fog Anyways hereā€™s my explanation as to how Destiny is an allegory for combatting ni...

Light represents "every little thing of the universe", Darkness is the mind, which can be controlled more easily by someone who knows the mind well enough (The Witness to make people think nothing is worth it, but there's also those (Guardians) who learn to enjoy every little thing in the universe and realize that enjoying existence is the purpose of existence itself. And the Traveler is the one who wants people to realize that by giving them a little push in the right direction and giving them what they need to discover it on their own.

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Light is of the physical and Darkness is of the mental, yes; and yes, that is how the Witness used it to gaslight everyone into thinking that Strife is the natural state everything should be in

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There is one correction Iā€™d like to make though

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ember storm
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what are u doing

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Both Light and Darkness were meant to be ways in which individuals could make something out of their lives, make reality-as-desired into reality-as-is, they are both part of Paracausality, a force which the Traveler introduced so as to circumvent the deterministic eventual outcome of the Vex assimilating everything into itself

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# ember storm what are u doing

Theyā€™re sharing their understanding how the overarching narrative of Destiny in relation to our conflict against the Witness

eager trout
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And real life

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why is it bold

eager trout
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Because it's big brain

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It was the Traveler/Gardenerā€™s hope that Paracausal power wouldā€™ve been responsibly used by civilizations to uplift one another and share aid instead of hoarding power for one singular person; however, the Witness civilization - after reaching the pinnacle of civilization development via the Travelerā€™s blessing - felt entitled to a meaning to existence and got angry when the Traveler didnā€™t state outright ā€œlife is all about [blank]ā€

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So like most nihilistic chuds, they decided that all of existence is strife and should be made as such, which is how we get to the creation of the Hive, the Witness trying to realize itā€™s take on the Final Shape, and generally everything weā€™ve been fighting about in-universe

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Like ya got it right on the dot

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Basically

eager trout
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Who would have thought you could find the meaning of life in the lore of a FPS game

ember storm
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I mean the game is called destiny

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Bungoā€™s real good about trying to slot in commentary on real life philosophical issues and metaphysical discussion in their games, all while being gamers

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Unfortunate about the doghead with a racist name that was a prevalent part of older Bungieā€™s culture, but thankfully theyā€™ve grown past that

eager trout
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So the Witness has "witnessed" that life has no meaning (or so it says)

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Yeah basically

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Really made the Traveler/Gardenerā€™s silence into something bigger than it should have been

ember storm
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read that as silicone and had a thought what if the traveler was like one of those jelly simulation tetris videos

eager trout
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What's the explanation for there being three different classes?

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(it's nearly all of it)

ember storm
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just three distinct rules of practice that rose during the dark age

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big people, clever people, people with knives

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Warlocks - Elementalists
Titans - Warriors who augment their attacks with the elements
Hunters - Rangers who utilize the Light sparsely as its own thing, but not in the same way Warlocks do; knives and staves and guns made of the element, but otherwise just dodge and jumpies and being good with gun

warm gazelle
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Does the City have a bank(s)?

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Yo theres any book about the life in the city? Like normal people just existing in there

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How did the veil arrived I Neptun ?

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She hid it there after stealing it from Nezarec and killing him

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And i got impresion that Witness wanted to destroy it, then changed his mind and ... connected ?

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Is there an explanations for that ?

chrome fog
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It wanted to use the Veil to connect it back to the Traveler and access the... place that is beyond that portal it opened, that was the plan from the start

eager trout
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Pretty sure the Veil is needed for the Witness' plans

radiant breach
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So it was probable Osiris wrong interpretation that he wanted to destryo it

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I understand where this comes from, as it's not readily apparent to us what the purpose the Witness would have for the Veil, which makes our goal mainly finding and securing the Veil, and to also suppress Calus' Shadow Legion so there is less pressure on defending Neomuna

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But yes, retroactively we learn that the ultimate goal was connecting the Veil to the Traveler, this mainly stemming from Ahsa's revelation on the Witness' origins and how previously the Traveler ran away before the Witness could do anything with the connection between her and the Veil

ember storm
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if we just got the bit explaining the witness civilization during LF I think a ton wouldā€™ve gone over better

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oh was this quria

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sorry for late response i was dinner and then sleep

chrome fog
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Somewhat. So the Future War Cult had been in possession of a predictive Vex Machine, which is the basis of their whole deal, seeing possible 'future wars' via the machine; and we know it is a Vex machine because one of the entries during Splicer that demonstrates the usage of the machine parallels a previous demonstration of how Vex simulations operate.

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The Vex essentially manipulated Lakshmi-2 into thinking House Light would be the cause of humanity's enemies going into the Last City, then she used the machine and it opened a portal for the Vex to go through and she died because frickin Vex

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I wanted to argue with the fact that is moreso a bartering economic system considering glimmer is programmable matter, but also like, what is currency if not little greeblely things which allow you to materialize stuff before you?

empty fern
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Too bad, Iā€™ll leave you on read leo

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What is ā€œhang on Jinju, weā€™re in for some chopā€ mean?

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next bobcat
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That makes sense

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And what it actually means is that theyā€™re in for a rough ride or whatever, since theyā€™re there providing air support for us

next bobcat
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Yeah I get that bit

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Is Rasputin gone?

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Yes

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Dead

chrome fog
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Sacrificed himself at the end of Season of the Seraph, self destructed himself and the Warsat system before it could be utilized by either us or the Witness, as doing so would have given an extreme amount of tithe to Xivu Arath regardless of who used it

next bobcat
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Could we make another warmind?

chrome fog
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Probably, but 1) that would fly in the face of Rasputinā€™s sacrifice, to just replace him; 2) as much as he was literally built to be a defense system for the Sol System and could easily do so via the Warsat system, he has somewhat underperformed both because of personal issues he was dealing with as well as just not being able to affect the Pyramid ships in any way, whilst they nearly killed him and he had been in recovery for at least 2 years; and 3) Rasputin was developed over a great length of time during the Golden Age, with the closest approximation of him - Soteria - having been developed by two teams of highly advanced researchers. I donā€™t doubt we have enough experts at the present time in Destiny to attempt to create a new Warmind, but it would be a costly time and resource sink to dedicate to

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Oh, also weā€™re still technically in the middle of recovering a number of files and data from the Golden Age, the extent of which sorting through and preserving has taken up a majority of the Cryptarchyā€™s time

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The Cryptarchy in-universe being a group of researchers dedicated to data recovery and analysis, not to be confused with the Cryptarchy irl group, a lore-discussion discord server established by Sarsion, who first decoded the Eliksni alphabet using Chinese characters in reference to the original symbols

trim grotto
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Technically those were two separate translation efforts

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Alphabet vs language

chrome fog
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Ah interesting

next bobcat
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Is ikelos a weapons foundry in its own right, or were they just made by Rasputin or something? Also, does SIVA have any connection to ikelos or the warmind?

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It was moreso the in-house weapon foundary of the warmind, developed so that human forces could be supplied with weaponry and aid the warmind should the need arise

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And yes! Rasputin had control of the SIVA nanobots that Felwinter was trying to collect to aid the Last City construction efforts, as SIVA was developed to assist in colony construction

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Those said SIVA nanobots infect any remaining Iron Lords who tried to claim it, many of the others having been wiped out by the Warmind's artillery and constructs

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Saladin was the only survivor of this event, and the vault which the SIVA was sequestered in was left forgotten until the events of Rise of Iron, in which Splicers from the House of Devils broke into that same vault and utilized SIVA to augment themselves and their firepower

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@trim grotto Do you know if Efrideet was somewhere else during the events of the initial SIVA crisis, in which the Iron Lords perished trying to obtain SIVA for the Last City?

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Maybe some Iron Lords knew, who knows

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But we can't exactly ask them

chrome fog
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Neat

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So is saladman the last Iron Lord?

chrome fog
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Technically Efrideet and Shiro-... 4, I wanna say? Are still alive presently and were Iron Lords once

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Shiro was an Iron Lord, right? I could be mistaken

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nope

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heā€™s just a vanguard scout

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Kek

warm gazelle
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It's needed by the industrial base to actually do stuff.

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I know glimmer isn't the only currency of the City though.

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So maybe there's banks for non-glimmer money.

empty fern
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Like, spinmetal and stuff? I donā€™t feel like theyā€™d do that

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idk if we know all the currencies used in the City

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just that glimmer isn't the only one

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maybe silver

empty fern
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Maybe

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So trying to get back into lore of destiny as a newer destiny 2 player but big fan of D1. Realize lots is vaulted and I own all the main expansions for Destiny 2. Does anyone know how to order quests chronologically? Right now have 61/63 and just lost where to start here. Is light reforged the base f2p beginning point? I did the opening missions of each expansion I believe to just unlock certain things but now trying to go back and go in order and it's all jumbled in my quest log.

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Pulling some stuff from My Name is Byfā€˜s vid today. I think that the last idea about Rasputin with the Felwinter-like resurrection would be interesting to see. Also i like cats but thatā€˜s besides the point. What is everyone elseā€™s opinion in the matter

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I like cats too

warm gazelle
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really, that word is banned.

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let's just say my experiences with cats have been less than optimal

empty fern
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And the order of Roman numerals?

trim grotto
# green prairie So trying to get back into lore of destiny as a newer destiny 2 player but big f...

Light Reforged is your Crucible (PvP) Tutorial/intro, just like On The Offensive is the same for Vanguard Ops
Tying It All Together is the Armor Synthesis/Transmog intro/quest, which is technically post-Beyond Light, but you'll want that done early.
The Constellation quests are Season of the Wish, so that's post-Lightfall. Defiance, Deep, Witch, Wish. That's where we are now/have just finished.
Xenology isn't a story, it's just a quest for loot.
Points Piercing Forever is the Catalyst quest for Ticuu's Divination. It isn't story related, though the weapon and lore tab attached were originally from Season of the Chosen, between Beyond Light and Witch Queen.
The Timeline Reflections are short excerpts of different expansions and story beats, as a way for new players to catch up to the story. If you want to experience all the current campaigns, save it for later.

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# empty fern Have you checked the timeline in destinations?

Have tried to do this slightly but I'm getting confused where I left off on Shadowkeep I believe makes the most sense. Last missions I accomplished from F2P before expansions were mostly the EDZ and getting Caydes hidden treasure exotic. Then the strike using it. But after that got lost picking up too many quests like the last wish to progress my season rank. Now that I've hit about 88 in the last week and a half just so really lost.

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The Timeline mission for Forsaken is technically first, though the full campaign no longer exists.
Shadowkeep is the beginning of the current major story arc.

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Well thank you kindly. I'll try and ignore some of these extra quests in my log to not get so overloaded here.

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# green prairie So trying to get back into lore of destiny as a newer destiny 2 player but big f...
  • Light Reforged is the new New Light experience, yes
  • I would follow the timeline in the top right of the destinations tab, as that should give you an idea of the chronological order of quests, though many will run concurrent to each other, so I suggest just picking one and going from there. Itā€™s better to start getting them out of the way and finished rather than focusing on the chronological order which they occur in
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Oh whoops Mael already got you

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Kinda a joke question but do exos have life insurance or a lifetime warranty

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They have resets

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Whiiiiich I guess is warranty? But in the case of their mindscan being lost or smth like that I guess then itā€™d fall into insurance

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Clovis never gives people anything

warm gazelle
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seems like we know very little about what life is like in the city

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Imagine opening the traveler just to find the witness and bosses playing pool with the planets and the traveler is the que ball

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Thatā€˜d be fun

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What are the redjacks?

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Define frames

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Well then, seems like he/she just stopped existing ig

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The Clovis AI has some frames guarding him in Bray Exoscience for example

clever nacelle
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Then why does shaxx say hunters like you should join the redjacks

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Does he think all hunters are cayde or something?

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Exos ā‰  frames

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According to Destinypedia, frame casualties are high so Guardians often assist

clever nacelle
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Jesus no need for math equations on lore stuff ā˜ ļø

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So that could be the answer

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And then there's the first pillar

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Aka the first line of defence according to maelstronner

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They're a faction( not sure)

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But is there anything for the warlocks

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The Praxics are a Warlock order

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To be clear though, Redjacks arenā€™t a Hunter order at all. Not to my knowledge anyway

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Does shaxx have any lines where he mentions the praxics?

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Keep close to him and you will find out

clever nacelle
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Has xivu arath made any appearance? If so i need a pic or something

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I donā€™t think Xivu has made any real appearances, save for some ink blotch art during Witch Queen iirc

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(Xivu being the one on the left)

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# clever nacelle Has xivu arath made any appearance? If so i need a pic or something

https://youtu.be/URmA63vk_k0?si=1tyDYl60GAQwvrcm

YouTube
The Phoenix
Destiny 2: Season of the Witch - Eris Morns Explains The Sword Logi...

Destiny 2: Season of the Witch - Eris Morns Explains The Sword Logic & Xivu Arath Cutscene

Eris Morn explains the Sword Logic and how she uses it to enact her will on our enemies and how it will be used to overtake Xivu Arath. We have earned our right to exist as we have vanquished Crota, Oryx, and Savathun. We have adhered to the design of the...

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This cutscene too

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No in-game appearance yet though

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I was trying to find where that came from

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And the art from the fall of cabal planet

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me when garlic bread

clever nacelle
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Wait did eris die or what happened?

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She turned hive?

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Eris and her fireteam went to moon, fireteam died and she lost her light, she stole the eyes of an acolyte

clever nacelle
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That ik

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And now she is the coolest character in this game alongside drifter

warm gazelle
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bruh

clever nacelle
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No she turned hive at some point

warm gazelle
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yeah imma steal this insectoid abominations eyes and implant them into my skull real quick

broken zephyr
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She let go of her tithes in the end

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and returned to regular Eris Morn

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Would be cooler if she turned hive forever

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But anyway that's it

warm gazelle
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but why did she steal some hive eyes

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I think there's longplays of the season

clever nacelle
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Bottom line is, sheā€™s fine, and not hive anymore

clever nacelle
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@jagged badge tell use why u turned hive during season of the witch

warm gazelle
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fuck that

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@clever nacelle https://youtu.be/QxVAVjZH4_4?si=mwVU8JyqK5DzRoX0

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Esoterickk
Season of the Witch - Complete Full Story (Season 22) [Destiny 2]

Destiny 2 Season of the Witch - Season of the Witch Full Complete Story Compilation - All Cutscenes, Cinematics, Quests & Dialogue. Just a compilation video showing all the story from the entire Season of the Witch and following the Bladed Path questline. Timestamps below.

00:00 - Week 1 Full Story
30:06 - Week 2 Full Story
42:38 - Week 3 Ful...

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tell us why you planted hive eyes into your skull

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So naturally she stole an Acolyteā€™s eyes instead

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bruh

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Itā€™s worth noting that apparently Eris is still blind though?

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Iā€™m not entirely sure how that works tbh

warm gazelle
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surely the city has some cybernetic eyes she could use instead

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yeah probably because if you implanted a completely different species' eyes into your head they wouldn't work

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Blind in Daredevil or Kenshi sense

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Yeah I can't see but at the same time I can see

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Eyes disappeared

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with a completely different evolutionary history

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Like gone

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has it? she's still blind

broken zephyr
# warm gazelle tell us why you planted hive eyes into your skull

The Cloak of the Great Hunt has a pretty conclusive explanation as to how she got her eyes, she wished for them. I think the whole "The Hive took my eyes" is more of a "They forced me to do this to live".

"I am lost in these lunar tunnels. Out of ammo. Short on Light. I am out of moves, save one. I clutch an Ahamkara bone in one hand, and my dead Ghost in the other. I hear a whisper.

My vision is gone. My face itches from the viscous flow from my eyes.

Though I can't see, I find that I suddenly know the way out."

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We know from Shadowkeep that she has to shield her eyes from bright light like a normal human would

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Like, she clearly sees what's around her in the cinematics

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Not even in Daredevil sense like she is actually seeing what's going on

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Damn

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Okey that's really weird

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The Hive being somewhat paracausal - with how steeped they are in ascendent power/energy - and Guardians who have lost their Light somewhat being partially retaining a sort of connection to the paracausal most likely relates to how Eris was able to... use the Acolyte eyes

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that makes no sense to me. if she was blind to the point that she couldn't see you if you were right in front of her, she wouldn't need to shield her eyes from lights i'm pretty sure

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I believe there's some entry where it explains that she 'sees' in the same way as the Hive, which itself differs from natural sight

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If you close your eyes, you canā€™t see people in front of you, but a bright ass light can still shine through your eyelids for example

warm gazelle
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your guardian literally has lights all over them

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Blindness is a spectrum anyway, and not one Iā€™m an expert on by any means

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Least of all alien blindness lmao

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Again in Shadowkeep first cutscenes she is seeing what's happening

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Regardless, she can see albiet in an unconventional way

warm gazelle
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she just can't see guardians ig

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: /

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/contact-titan

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Contact - Titan ā€” Transcript ā€” Ishtar Collective

++ Siren's Watch/The Rig, New Pacific Arcology, Titan
ā€”ā€” The Guardian deploys a containment bank underneath a Pyramid Scale and joins other Guardians to charge the Seed of Silver Wings with Darkness.
// OPTIONAL {
Drifter: Bank firing in. Signal tracking. Kid, you're on deck.
Eris Morn: Harvest all the Darkness you can muster. Now is not the tim...

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Oh

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Yeah, thought I remembered it from somewhere, didn't expect it to be from a transcripted public seasonal event

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From red war to now how much time has passed in the lore

dim minnow
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How long since D2 vanilla launched?

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7 years

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Well, 6 years and a few months

dim minnow
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and Red War did canonically start on a Wednesday

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since Cayde canonically died on a Tuesday, it can be assumed that other events happen on the same days they release as well

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probably

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The calendar in Destiny is probably still parallel to ours, but I think it'd just be funny if that were the case

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chrome fog
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Regardless, an unspecified amount of time passed and it's not explicit exactly how many days pass, though trying to make my claim is just trying to make something out of a very small tidbit

chrome fog
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Would you like to ask something regarding the lore?

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Nope

chrome fog
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Then it's a wonder you are here in the first place

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R servers back up

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coral kiln
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Donā€™t start

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Eris what is a wholesome lore entry you know of?

coral kiln
chrome fog
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mmmmmm lore i'm not reading you

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Anyways

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chrome fog
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Ooo

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I can always tag Venetia yk

chrome fog
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Eris ignore them they're not worth it

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chrome fog
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They're going to skirt the line of breaking the rules, they're not worth anyone's time

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Or apparently I donā€™t need to haha

chrome fog
# jagged badge Eris reassuring Drifter that heā€™s equipped to talk to Sloane about her trauma an...

Was it this one?
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/kept-confidence

Kept Confidence ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

"One way or the other, I'll be there." ā€”Drifter
ā€”
Drifter wiped the sweat off his brow and the grin off his face. His shoulders slumped as he stepped down from the platform in the Derelict. The Gambit match had ended in a hard-earned win. The next match would be in a few minutes. That's all he had.
He cleared his throat. His voice was hoarse.
Dr...

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Cause me also likey, it's so sweet

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ā€˜Twas back in Deep

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Ah

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my favorite wholesome lore entry is survivors epitaph

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filled with fun facts about our favorite crucible handler

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so silly and whimsical that one

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Murmder

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yknow I wonder

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I don't have favourite wholesome lore entry yet but I really like the entries of the three Ancient Apocalypse set

ember storm
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in your opinion what is the ā€œmedia literacy checkā€ of destiny

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yeah but that oneā€™s not at funny to talk about

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I mean the people who unironically agree with Lakshmi

chrome fog
# coral kiln What does your feelings have to do with lore?

Also I will take this moment to be a bit less of the bigger person to regard this question:
If you read the discussion prior to you reading my message, I had proposed that the everything destiny would take place on their Wednesday instead of their calendar directly paralleling to our own one-to-one. This stems from the fact that the only time skip in the franchise takes place in Red War during Vanilla Destiny 2's initial launch, and the number of days is never specified. I however concluded that this would be too contrived of a theory but still maintained that it would be funny if true. I know Waltz was just pointing out a technicality, it's something a lot of us lorechat regulars do even if it's unnecessary, however I understood where Waltz was coming from because unlike with you, I regard Waltz equally to myself. Please read and think before you interject into a situation you are not involved in

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like my favorite for example would be the people who think Savathun was a victim

chrome fog
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But I mean mine also has basis for anyone who reads Unveiling for the first time or hear what the Witness believes for the first time

chrome fog
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yeah like the hive had bad things happen to them but Savathun never even tries pretending herself that she deserves anything because of it

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she is 100% honest about how everything sheā€™s doing is just for herself

chrome fog
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That consignment to her fate makes her complicit in everything she did, she can no longer argue she could nothing because she does in fact suggest trying to fight against the deal they had made

ember storm
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the closest thing is proclaiming how sheā€™s the only one who can really ensure the travelerā€™s safety but literally nobody cares because we know exactly what it means for both her and the traveler itself

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like the entire plan Savathun had been cooking up for centuries was solely because she didnā€™t see sword logic as reliable

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not because she wanted to change the system

chrome fog
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What would be some other examples?

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Of media literacy checks in Destiny?

coral kiln
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Can I get some examples of Nimbus being a good character?

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Can't find any, I am at a loss

empty fern
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He saved our ghost at end of lf (ish)

chrome fog
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That is all you will get

coral kiln
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Lol

trim grotto
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Some of the idle dialogue is interesting

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As much as I wish they took a different tone in pursuing Rohan's research for that Exotic Void LMG, I do appreciate their sentiment for the quest and I feel like they would've been more heartbroken being reminded about their dead mentor; though they might have just accepted it much more quicker as they've had the dual Cloudstrider system for a while, so it might have been noraml to them

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Some are nice but the majority are the worst jokes you will ever heard, in campaign he is nice

In post-campaing is where he really shines

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His exotic mission and comments in veil logs are very cool

chrome fog
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Also reminder that they go by "they/them", which is a representation plus

coral kiln
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I respectfully disagree so idk

exotic cloak
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Ah fuck yeah

chrome fog
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Y'good, no worries about it

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I always forgot they are non-binary, in Spanish they refer to Nimbus as he

chrome fog
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Don't sweat too much about it, just a reminder, just like the Witness thing

empty fern
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(Typing)

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Yes and ur allowed to tell us what to do with that

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ik

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Not related but in Spanish non-binary characters are a pain, since we don't have a direct pronoun

empty fern
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A convo a few months ago talked about witness pronouns not being relevant right?

coral kiln
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Fynch says he

chrome fog
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More like a couple days ago, as Carbon had issues with the Witness being refered to by "It/They/We"

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empty fern
chrome fog
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Yeaa

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Referring to that

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The "We are your salvation" is just the witness or includes the disciples and witness servants? Because now that you discussed that I'm confused

chrome fog
# coral kiln Fynch says he

Regardless their pronouns are "They/Them". Yes, they are a fictional character, but it's very telling how one regards that topic when they refuse to use proper pronouns.

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empty fern
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Iā€™d like to think witness is referring to just itself. Since rhulk wasnā€™t keen on salvation

coral kiln
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We can use both šŸ‘

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Considering Fynch has pretty much no idea about The Witness except one or two things he heard and we told

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But doesn't matter anyway

chrome fog
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There's also the pride month desktop backgrounds to support Nimbus being nonbinary, but I don't believe this will be changing your opinion and further discussion with you should not be continued

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I advise moving on

chrome fog
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Yes

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Anyways

empty fern
calm granite
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eh. I mean I'm no big lore man, but I don't feel like the implications will go anywhere. Dungeons in general are made to be fairly self contained, like raids, to avoid casual players being left behind with lore and shit

empty fern
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Wrong, BANNED

calm granite
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it's cool, it looks cool, but I'd be very surprised if it went anywhere

chrome fog
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NEXUS NO

empty fern
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Wonder how future interactions with xivus will be

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I don't know much about spire, did it have really wide reaching implications ?

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even the most recent one was just blah blah ahamkara stuff wasn't it ?

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I'm not into lore books, I just listen to the stuff in the game (sometimes)

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While we had a few snippets pointing us towards Neptune, Spire explicitly directed us in that direction, with the trajectory from the fragment of Soteria found in the exotic bow from the dungeon pointing at where Neomuna is

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And the recent dungeon has implications as to where the Scorn Episode might go, as it's implied by the exotic rocket pistol that Fikrul is trying to uplift the Scorn into an actual society, one of his "knights" being present in the dungeon to bring back more of their kin, at least until we kill them

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Imagine warlords ruin theme as an episode CATGRIN

chrome fog
# chrome fog And the recent dungeon has implications as to where the Scorn Episode might go, ...

For this
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/buried-bloodline

Buried Bloodline ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

Shallow graves give way to old vendettas and hungry claims.
ā€”
Fikrul stands on the bridge of a seized Ketch. Ravagers keep watch over a handful of Eliksni that remain to pilot the vessel. Five heavily armored Scorn kneel before Fikrul, their heads bowed in reverence. Fikrul steps forward.
"Dark rumors whisper from the Dreaming City. The Reef hu...

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Actually speaking of forsaken stuff

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You think scorn can use remnants of the corrupted eggs to wish for things? They tried something like that at the end of wish right?

trim grotto
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That was just a whole egg

empty fern
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Oh

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I think some goopy broken egg shells wouldn't be much use

chrome fog
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The egg was not corrupted to begin with, but they were attempting to so as to make it so that our bargin with the Spirit of Riven would become null and void

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And also more paracausal goodies to experiment with

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A reminder that aside from the Black Heart which was gifted to them by the Witness, the Vex of Sol Divisive also used the die worms surround them in their incursion into Oryx's throneworld to attempt to understand and simulate paracausality

empty fern
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Huh

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When did this happen?

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Where SOURCE

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I think the same entry as Quria simulating Aurash and then Oryx Taking Quria via Taking that simulated copy of his former self

empty fern
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Oh, poor quria

chrome fog
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Which reminder that Oryx was once a Princess and transitioned into Male after accepting the Worm Gods' deal

empty fern
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Oryx had like 3 name changes

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I think

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Or was that savathuns

chrome fog
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Aurash -> Auryx -> Oryx

empty fern
trim grotto
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Strictly speaking, Quria's Vex aren't connected to the Sol Divisive explicitly. It's very possible that's where the Sol Divisive got their ideas, but not outright.

chrome fog
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Mael is probably on it

trim grotto
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Uno momento

chrome fog
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Salamat Mael!

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xliii-end-of-failed-timeline#oryx

XLIII: End of Failed Timeline ā€” Grimoire Card ā€” Ishtar Collective

Verse 5:1 ā€” End Of Failed Timeline
By now, Quria knows it canā€™t win.
Thereā€™s something pathological about the world inside Oryxā€™s ship. It resists analysis with hot, dead spite. And Oryx himself, heā€™s irreducible ā€” he refuses to obey Quriaā€™s simulations, he crashes around sowing chaos, he grabs subminds and compromises them with some kind of ont...

chrome fog
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HA I knew it

empty fern
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Nuh uh

chrome fog
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Actually wait yeah, this wasn't the one

trim grotto
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Wait what am I sourcing for you

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/xxxix-open-your-eye-go-into-it#quria

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XXXIX: open your eye : go into it ā€” Grimoire Card ā€” Ishtar Collecti...

Verse 4:9 ā€” open your eye : go into it
The Vex clattered around, constructing large problems. At first their constructions were deranged, because they didnā€™t understand the sword logic, which defined all rules in Oryxā€™s throne world. The geometry perplexed them.
ā€œIā€™ll cut them apart,ā€ Crota said. But just then, the Vex ritual-of-better-thoughts ...

empty fern
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Iā€™m gonna turn this lore book entry into another Martian Missives

chrome fog
trim grotto
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Ah, that one

calm granite
chrome fog
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Man I'm on point today with the lore

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Rub it in liberal and Carbon's faces next time they challenge me

calm granite
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yeah, I didn't follow the WR lore that much I guess lmao

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look icl bringing oryx back would be the most dogshit storyline possible

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first cause I can't bear more hive shit

devout nimbus
calm granite
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and second because just bringing back villain X through thingamajig number 23895 is kinda boring

chrome fog
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Yeah we need more failsafe

chrome fog
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Clovis AI is neat conceptually but he's just a jerk that isn't even the original

trim grotto
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Like Duality was for Calus

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My fav is def Soteria

calm granite
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Wish we got a bit more lore on her

calm granite
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tbh the in-game setup for xivu so far has been fairly underwhelming imo

chrome fog
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I would really love if we have to try and consult Oryx on how to beat his sister Xivu, and our efforts result in trying to wake him up momentarily before he lets himself go to sleep

calm granite
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d2 has been full-on relying on hologram exposition and lore books for far too long

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Yeah for real

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Maybe in episodes we can piece her back together

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I would like a series of lore entries that follow some discussions our sentient weapons have a la Ghost Stories, but it's just the weapons

devout nimbus
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A lore weapon on all the sentient weapons talking to each other would be pretty funny

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empty fern
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I mean his body still growing doesn't necessarily mean he's still alive does it ?

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I'm not sure if there's active info he's alive in there

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And hierarchy used to be solid

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I always understood it as more of like, the darkness holds the body going but there's nobody going in the brain

exotic cloak
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Parasite is out every DSC week at least

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yeah I guess. Hope we'll get a solid conclusion to the whole xivu thing

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tho given the setup I'm afraid there's gonna be some big ooooh all 3 hive gods are back up at once be afraid ! at some point

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We spend like 3 weeks trying to wake Oryx up and he tells us to shut up and just. Tell Xivu that he's giving up on Sword Logic or smth

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If his concious even remains, which that is uncertain and the activity we've read off of his body is just the residual Taken energy

empty fern
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Man really needed to rest after all his life so far

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I imagine he'd like to just nap a couple centuries once he hears we defeated the Witness, also that we've taken the Darkness and made it our own

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Like I cannot wait to hear Oryx commit to the family sitcom tone of the Books of Sorrow

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Assuming you finished Season of the Deep, sure. There was the entire Season of the Wish.

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We summoned the spirit of Riven and struck a bargain to help us enter the Traveler. We've spent the season fulfilling our end of the bargain, while learning more about the Great Hunt and Ahamkara.

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Savathun was revived, killed, and revived again, while we were working with her ghost to fight Xivu Arath

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Eris spent the whole season generating hive power to use against her, and ended up banishing her from her throne world, effectively crippling her for the foreseeable future

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Xivu is now effectively mortal. Unlike Oryx, Crota, or other Ascendant Hive killed outside their Throne Worlds, Xivu cannot return from death any longer.

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We did not.

Eris, in banishing Xivu's Throne and sparing Immaru (though she did tear out Savathƻn's throat) defied her nature, and the Worm she had manipulated rebelled. Eris lost her power along with the destruction of Xivu's Throne.

Xivu Arath has since retreated to lick her metaphysical wounds, whereas Savathƻn was freed as part of our bargain with Immaru. In return, she told us of the Wish.
We're not on good terms, yet. But we're not at each others throats.

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Except for Saint-14
Saint-14 caught up with her after she gained her freedom and murdered her
And let her rez, and then murdered her again
And again
And again
And again

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He let her go, eventually. But he sure left an impression.

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Other than the Veil logs, no

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We were able to get a description of her Throneworld, but seeing as she herself is also barred from it, it does not seem like we will get a physical look into her Throneworld

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question. Is the guidance circle on Hierachy of Needs like the bow itself guiding shots to the target, or Soteria doing the predictive maths and guiding the shot to the target, or just a purely gameplay mechanic with no lore explanation?

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# pure tree question. Is the guidance circle on Hierachy of Needs like the bow itself guidin... 

I swear anything sentient has a chance to wind up as a weapon around that Guardianā€¦

Anyway, seems that being partitioned for so long, and not coming back together with all her parts, has left that A.I. with more than a few quirks. She's borderline non-functional, won't or can't communicate, but a lot of her subconscious sub-routines are still firing. Trajectory predictors still seem to work just fine; the few firing tests I ran producedā€¦ explosive results.

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it seems that the guardian games class item lore tabs mention Sunsingers and Bladedancers

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and we know Guardian Games was originally slated for TFS

pure tree
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wait, Bladedancers and Sunsingers are coming back for TFS?

dim minnow
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so it seems the new supers for Warlock and Hunter are going to be considered Sunsinger and Bladedancer canonically

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the one that looks like Sunsinger super 2.0 and the Hunter one that throws arc Kukris and teleports to them

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so from what i understand, the great ahamkara hunt was like

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really, really bad

next bobcat
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as in the vanguard kinda genocided a sentient species

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granted Ahamkara were pretty dangerous

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and there is only 1 known Ahamkara that wasn't like them

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though we can hope that Taranis' will extends to his clutch

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jesus

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yeah i wonder what bungie's gonna do with the clutch

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IF ITS SHOWN IN THE SEASONAL QUEST DO NOT TELL ME

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i still have 3 weeks left and i've pretty solidly avoided spoilers

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magic omelette

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see, i dont get how bungie managed to make me straight up almost cry with taranis, a character whos death was shown in the mission he started in
but rohan's sacrifice was just
nothing

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yeeaah >_>

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Rohan had... wasted potential.

final geyser
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im also a huge sucker for dragons tbf so

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totally not me now concocting a d&d5e warlock based on a pact with an ahamkara

trim grotto
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Don't forget the downside! There's almost always a downside, somewhere. But it often isn't always obvious.

warm gazelle
dim minnow
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the whole 10 year lifespan thing really made it far too obvious

warm gazelle
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it took any weight off of his sacrifice too lmao

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like he was already near the 10 year mark

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so his sacrifice didn't even shorten his lifespan really

trim grotto
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Cloudstriders usually get an apprentice at roughly half their duration, so he'd have had a few years left.

warm gazelle
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he says he's almost at the ten year point in the campaign

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It was very foreshadowed yeah

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ah well

warm gazelle
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bro lost like, maybe a few months when he died

final geyser
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it felt like a shock death more than anything

warm gazelle
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honestly I was okay with it, not every death needs to be a big thing

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it's a war

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people die all the time

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but then the story and side quests hand on it for a while and it still has zero impact

trim grotto
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He didn't really get the chance to be a character for more than a couple of cutscenes.

warm gazelle
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there should be more than 2 cloudstriders though

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idc how powerful they are, that's not enough to protect an entire civilization

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also related lore question

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why are the Vex on Neptune?

dim minnow
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the Veil

warm gazelle
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How do they even know neptune exists?

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the Vex were drawn to the Veil

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they were interested in it due to its paracausal nature so they made Neomuna hidden from everyone else

warm gazelle
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So they've been on Neptune for a very long time then

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couldnt the sol divisive notice this?

dim minnow
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Sol Divisive were busy with the great value Veil aka the Black Garden's Heart

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this is the lore chat

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shard is further down

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BRUH

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cc Winterbite quest

chrome fog
# warm gazelle idc how powerful they are, that's not enough to protect an entire civilization

Yes but then you get a portion of the population who have their lives shortened to 10 years from their conversion. Itā€™s well enough that thereā€™s generally someone to volunteer or willing to take up the torch as Cloudstriders take up an apprentice, though mandating that multiple individuals sacrifice their lives against a threat which is handily managed by 2 might draw attention to the governing body of Neomuna and destabilize the somewhat idyllic society they had built up

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Also the Cloudstriders arguably aren't even the main defensive mechanism

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Turrets and fortifications are absolutely everywhere

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We didn't see them much in lightfall because Nimbus fixed them in that montage before we took on Calus

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(Also what happened to traveler_thinking, Iā€™m just noticing itā€™s gone)

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Huh

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Discus you might be right

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They had the Vex handled just fine

warm gazelle
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true, things were never this bad before

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maybe some change will happen in light of the attention of the Witness

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Itā€™s weird that the colony ship filled with all the Ishtar people - who started their careers studying a Vex specimen - wouldnā€™t immediately recognize something as Vex, but then Maya immediately pivots the team to maneuver around Neptuneā€™s moon and bouncing a signal off the Winterbite would let their ship pass off as Vex and go unassailed

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They didn't expect space jesus to wave a finger and reveal where they were followed by sending a massive clone army after them

smoky rose
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Soteria is at least partially vex so the vex went "must save friend" to some extent

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Ok yeah that clears up the weirdness around how Soteria launched the echo ships while Maya was capable of writing back to Clovis a cordial ā€œfuck youā€ letter for fragmenting the AI

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and it should also be noted that Chioma was there with Soteria

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or was likely

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Damn. And all that time I spent thinking we didnā€™t know what the entity in that lore tab was

dim minnow
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we know that Chioma was there before Maya arrived

dim minnow
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some Tormentor?

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dim minnow
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well, I don't think it was a Tormentor

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I have my doubts it was a vex

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or was the thing they saw something else

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It's 3 meters across

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Fair, but Discus presented the fact that the only way they got away in the lore tab was by broadcasting a Vex signal to pass off as a Vex ship, which might indicate who or what the assailant was

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wait aminute, Esi was there with Maya?

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Mhm

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Oh I thought

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I mean I guess the witness just doesn't care about the vex

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Or wouldn't attack them

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I mean unveiling seems to indicate it thinks the Vex are perfect no?

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Plop them in a universe with Light or Darkness, they easy sweep via their memetic material, all becomes Vex through assimilation

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They can't comprehend the Witness

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Vex clears everything out, Witness walks around doing whatever

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However, with Paracausality capable of purifying their housing matrix - Radiolaria - as demonstrated by the Witness via Clarity, means that in Destinyā€™s universe they face a definitive challenge against species who possess some form of Paracausality

chrome fog
# smoky rose Is this not perfect for the Witness' aims though

Theyā€™re perfect in embodying what the Witness (as the Winnower) believes all existence should aspire to: basically instinctual need to assert one self as the final victor at the end of the universe, to be the last one standing and eradicate all else

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Which is why Paracausality is introduced in Unveiling, which is possibly speculation on the Witnessā€™ part on why Paracausality exists to begin with, seeing as this portion of Unveiling is not corroborated with any other entries outside of it, save for the fact that the Traveler/Gardener maintains pretty much the same ideals as present in the lore book

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Vex are perfect except for the fact they canā€™t do jack shit with Paracausality; and even though the Hive are basically carrying out the Witnessā€™ plan, I donā€™t doubt the Witness doubted the Hiveā€™s loyalty (which was correct in assessment considering Savathun literally back stabs it), so they canā€™t be trusted to be its paracausal troops to make up for that weakness in the Vex

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The Vex being a somewhat natural apex to existence, in conjunction with the proto-hiveā€™s existence on Fundament serving as a microcosm of the natural strife for survival and resources within existence, give the greatest examples which validate the Witnessā€™ ultimate thesis, that life is not ā€œmeaninglessā€, its meaning to assert your right to exist over others forever and always until you are the victor. Either that or just life should end because of the absence of an inherent meaning.

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i will say, i think that however it should've been saved for TFS, the reveal that the witness's true purpose was simply a lie it told itself was kinda dope

next bobcat
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what was the lie?

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I mean, the point of a universe without an inherent meaning - which is still totally the case despite the wrong way that the Witness took that revelation - is to creating meaning for yourself. The lines and dots which make up our letters which make up our words which stand in substitution for the abstract and real ideas we conceive and observe is really just up to us

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The Witness just decided to take the nihilistic cynic route and dictated that itā€™s way is the only way and the rightest way, unmoving from its position on what the meaning of life is despite many others who share the same existence still wanting to live outside the bound definitions of life that the Witness sees

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If Iā€™m struggling to make an impact in the world, to succeed in my goals and failing to achieve self- satisfaction, does that mean I should just stop existing since the reality which I and others perceive points to my continued living being unfulfilled?
No, of course not
Because we know that there had been moments of happiness, of success and catharsis of which to reference my own current failings to, which themselves are as temporal as the peaks of life I strive for

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The Witness asserts that things stay a set and certain way. Vex always end up the natural outcome of evolution throughout the universe. Individuals kill and harm to assert their dominance and more deserved existence over others. There is no point in helping, We know best because We had been the best and so listen to what We say and accept our offering as Salvation.

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The Traveler proposes that we can help each other recognize the great complexity and potential there is to shared existence, that by building and supporting off of one another, by giving grace to one another in faith that we will contribute to something grander than our isolated selves could ever hope to achieve

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God why couldnā€™t I put this towards completing my assignments for my college English class itā€™s 4;30 am imma sleep

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damn, i forgot i posted in this chat lmao

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Need to get off before my existential crisis over chasing mechanical engineering over something in the arts spills over and Iā€™m a sobbing mess in the lorechatokaybyyyyeeeee

eager trout
# chrome fog Plop them in a universe with Light or Darkness, they easy sweep via their memeti...

So the Vex are the internet. They're all connected (like the internet connects people) and their goal is to make everything be the same, just like the internet has taken away the individuality of people by lumping them into different groups depending on something they all have in common, which ultimately leads to them being too closed off in their own ideas to accept any idea or opinion different from theirs.

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i don't really get it

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lore debate waddle doo versus thalnok

summer depot
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Hellooooo, I got ls a question

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Don't gotta be polite to ask.

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What are possible reasonings for a guardian who has traditionally used the light to switch over to using strand permanently?

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Or semi permanently, having it as the main power

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empty fern
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cough osiris

ember storm
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this is the question of the century

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I am restless and confused

empty fern
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Who tf is thalnok

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how dare you

empty fern
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How dare you!

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I will enter the debate if you explain who tf are these guys

summer depot
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But what ideologically could change to make an aversion to the darkness become an acceptance?

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Perhaps they could become disillusioned with the Light

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Or just simply grow beyond the dogmatic views on Darkness as the Guardian did

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Or remember that warlords existed

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Ada-1 has and idle dialogue about that

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My main hookup is I never got stasis and missed out on that story, so I am missing some context as to the shift in petspective

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I played everything else though all the way back to destiny 1 vanilla

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Summarizing, in Beyond Light we go to Europa, there we learn to use stasis at the same time we fight House Of Salvation, Eliksni faction that is basically the remnants of other houses, they also have stasis

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But why did the guardian take up stasis?

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(To fight them we need to use stasis in first place) and that's pretty much it

Exo Stranger, Drifter and Eris are also there but they basically are in a camp and only Elsie says actual important shit

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chrome fog
# eager trout So the Vex are the internet. They're all connected (like the internet connects p...

Not really, I can see how you can draw that conclusion based off of parallel phrasing between the Vex and the internet, but any attempts on the internet to make everyone one and the same is a) out of growing shared experiences becoming more universal out of global diaspora of content and culture, and b) corporate entities following similar guidelines that consistently work.
The Vex work better for the metaphor I proposed, though I do genuinely think this is an interesting reading into the symbolism of the Vex within the greater meta narrative of Destiny, and would like to see it explored if you or someone else looked deeper into it

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We have learned to control the Darkness via our own will and power, to overcome any influence which is exerts over us - which we learn later on that that has been the case all along long: the Witness had been the source of the corrupting influence within the Darkness, the Voice in the Darkness, which had led us to believe that Darkness corrupted individuals into becoming evil

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So darkness isn't inherently bad, it's just been corrupted?

chrome fog
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Essentially, yes

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The timeline mission and/or the actual Beyond Light campaign better convey the message that Darkness is just a force, one which we have learned to control, though you can just watch these videos for a shorter insight into our new understanding:
#šŸ“šlore-discussion message

summer depot
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So, ancillary question. How does this relate to thorn? Is it corrupted? Or simply a tool of the darkness?

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Corrupted, via Hive Magic

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Ironically that specification - that is corrupted by Hive - has made it difficult to categorize other similar exotics into the Weapons of Sorrows

summer depot
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Do we know what makes hive magic corrupting?

eager trout
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Thisā€¦was definitely not the intention at all

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Youā€™re also missing the Hive, which Iā€™d say are even more of a key faction related to the Witness than Fallen and Vex

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Considering itā€™s only one Fallen House and one Vex group that are under the Witness

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I just donā€™t really think this ultimately means much. The bad enemy factions do bad things. Thereā€™s not really any specific links there to specifically modern things

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I also kinda donā€™t see how the Vex really represent the internet/technology really

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The Vex are biological beings

eager trout
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But they're a network, like the internet. And supposedly they're also the ultimate form of evolution, which is what some companies are trying to achieve for humans by using technology.

ember storm
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each Mind is a unique being

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empty fern
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the vex collectives regularly judge and insult one another

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empty fern
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ask dova heā€™s the one who showed me the tab

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empty fern
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@dim minnow wake up

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Donā€™t you dare personify my factions angey

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House Salvation formed when Eramis united refugees of various Houses under the promise of giving them a safe home on Europa. It then spiralled into becoming a fledgling Empire as Eramis wanted, before we dismantled it and the Witness took command of its remnants as punishment

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the witness is literally responsible for all the suffering the fallen had, none of them willingly support it

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empty fern
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Neat

eager trout
# chrome fog Again, the situation is much more complex than just this, and I doubt reducing t...

I mean, there's always the things I don't mention. Criminals in real life are obviously not just "steal for the sake of it", they have their reasons and their situations, just like the Fallen.
Perhaps it would be better to say that the Fallen are an example of the complicated situation regarding criminality in real life. Such as the things that lead to people becoming criminals, and the way people look at them.

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Eramis only accepted stasis when it was under the pretense as a gift from ā€œthe darknessā€, the witness just lied to everyone to get them under its thumb

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eager trout
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I mean, I don't really know much about them-

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I understand the view which you are analyzing them from and itā€™s exactly as we said: Eliksni are allegorical for individuals found in difficult situations - namely refugees - and demonstrate how one can be pressured to acts of violence against others out of desperation.

warm gazelle
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and we kill a lot of them

chrome fog
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We kill a lot of ourselves, we made a sport out of it

warm gazelle
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most of them(?)

chrome fog
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(Sorry had to, but thereā€™s no like funny server emoji just going thumbs down) any that we kill are active combatants, the only time Eliksni civilians are killed are in Saintā€™s story as well as Shaxxā€™s

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Though we have dissolved a number of their Houses, the remnants have conglomerated into House Dusk, who have no Kell and generally just continue in doing the same stuff as they did

warm gazelle
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how many of these active combatants are just civilians pressed into service out of need/desperation though

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chrome fog
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Do you know docking?

ember storm
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house dusk specifically only exists because they refuse to end the conflict with humanity but donā€™t want to join the witness and Eramis

empty fern
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Yes

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Dregs

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Actually wait

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Do any scorn have 4 arms?

ember storm
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yes

empty fern
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I see

eager trout
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Clovis Bray is Elon Musk when he goes insane.

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stalkers, ravagers, and abominations are dregs

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the rest are undocked

chrome fog
# empty fern Dregs

Yeah, so, this is one of two major tactics which Eliksni used to establish hierarchy, the other being rationing of Ether; they had followed these practices for a shit ton of time drifting in space trying to follow the Traveler, to the point that a majority of Eliksni are malnourished

warm gazelle
# ember storm theyā€™ve had years to join house light

i would imagine for a lot of eliksni its probably impossible to join, either because they can't get to earth as they have no form of transport, threats by their fellow eliksni, and of course a healthy amount of skepticism that it's even a good idea to join up with the people you've been at war with for generations

ember storm
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they make all their gear out of garbage and have been doing so for over a thousand years

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empty fern
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the ships they used to traverse the universe looking for the traveler are the same kind they use now

empty fern
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Wonder why veriks

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they have all the time and resources

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they just donā€™t

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there is zero moral conflict with killing active warlords and pirates who refuse peace

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the entire existence of house light proves peace can be made, if they want it they would join

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even Spider, a crime lord, prefers living in the city to the tangled shore

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Because Musk is doing very much the same shit

warm gazelle
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...are skiffs even interstellar craft? I thought they need ketches to move from planet to planet

empty fern
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Hmmm
Hive have tombships and the mini dreadnaughts
Fallen have skiffs and ketches
Cabal have (thresher similar?) and the flag ships
What other ships are there

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