#šŸ“šlore-discussion

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sick yew
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Got banned during the 2nd raid

blazing wasp
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Dam

trim grotto
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What, they banned the mods in the raid?

sick yew
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Most of the team was out of com yeah

trim grotto
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I saw it happen, man
I was there

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I saw the channels vanish before my eyes

sick yew
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Was definitely a time to be alive

trim grotto
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I was like "Fuck they're being deleted one by one, gotta scroll down real far"

sick yew
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There was no escape

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maelstronnar (ID 238506376165457920)

[Message Link](#āœhaiku-wars message) to #āœhaiku-wars
Destiny Discord
Up In Flames Once More, Oh My
Clearly, It's The Hive

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trim grotto
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Good times

sick yew
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fr

next bobcat
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trim grotto
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...message links don't ping do they

sick yew
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Wait huh thats still there

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Aint no way

next bobcat
trim grotto
sick yew
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Ok but it doesnt go pre 1st raid

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Anything before that time is lost forever

next bobcat
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Btw I know this is a dumb question but is ā€œIrā€ some sort of hive rank denoting a leading female figure? Eg. Ir Yut, Ir Akhrat, Ir Kaza

sick yew
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Possibly

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Im not fluent in hive lore as I find them super boring but sounds plausible

trim grotto
sick yew
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Like Eliksni names often including "ks" or variations of that at the end

next bobcat
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Kind of like the equivalent of ā€œdarthā€ for a Sith Lord

sick yew
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Variks Mithraks

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Atraks

next bobcat
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Eramiā€¦ks?

sick yew
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Nah not all of them have it

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There are still exceptions

next bobcat
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Eramisksel

next bobcat
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Ok

sick yew
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lmao

next bobcat
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I am tempted to ask what your bio tells me to but I donā€™t know if I want to

sick yew
next bobcat
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sigh how many?

blazing wasp
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A surfer is a man of the ground when I'm done with him

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sick yew
next bobcat
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Iā€™m not sure I should ask butā€¦ forbearance?

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2

sick yew
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Im a salvagers enjoyer

next bobcat
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This guy :0

sick yew
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wave frames are meh ngl

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Salvagers is the true og

next bobcat
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As a fellow Alex I cannot concur

sick yew
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Shouldnt have said that

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!help ban

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!ban <user> <reason>

Permanently bans a user from the server.
sick yew
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There can only be one

next bobcat
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Such powerā€¦

sick yew
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I control the Sepiks

next bobcat
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I hunger

sick yew
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!feed @next bobcat

dense pikeBOT
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feeding zoup31_here 62 units of ether

sick yew
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Feast

next bobcat
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Beat me to it

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fast tapir
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hey he got fed at least

ember storm
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no, thereā€™s a voiceover cutscene after you clear it and go to orbit

trim grotto
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Aah
Well I'll take a gander in the morning because I just shut the computer off and I'm in bed now

ember storm
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Iā€™ll hold you to it

vital lodge
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so was Rasputin actually a threat to the traveler

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or was turning him off just out of fear

ember storm
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Personally I donā€™t think he was, but Eramis still had control over the warsat network and the traveler is still directly above the last city

vital lodge
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do we have any sense of scale on how strong he even was

ember storm
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I mean heā€™s an ai

vital lodge
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I meant his firepower

ember storm
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heā€™s been severely powercrept which was basically the point of seraph

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he didnā€™t have anything else to do but die so they gave him a good sendoff

vital lodge
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I woulda put him in a little drone

ember storm
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how

vital lodge
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shrug

empty fern
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He would be a ghost shell CATGRIN

outer dragon
empty fern
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Shipstealer moment

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Baroness to Erimis

fresh zephyr
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Ok when we shutdown the upended the worm mother dies also

empty fern
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Ye

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Because Veekris does not have the ā€œksā€ either

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outer dragon
warm gazelle
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So if I'm understanding right, the Fallen used to be lightbearers blessed by the Traveler but for unknown reasons the Traveler decided to abandon them in favor of Humanity.

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And they built those floating eyeballs in veneration and replication of the Traveler

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And they came to the Sol system in search of the god that had abandoned them, and then attacked humanity out of spite? Jealousy? Over losing their deity's favor.

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warm gazelle
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They weren't? So the Traveler was just kinda there in the Fallen home system but not actually doing anything there?

ember storm
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the traveler routinely arrived in systems to bless civilizations via terraforming and natural benefits such as longer lifespans

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it never actually gave anyone the light

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the creation of ghosts during humanityā€™s collapse is the first and only time

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Savathun and the lucent brood are working entirely off of some of those same ghosts

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no more have been made before or since

warm gazelle
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Hm, okay.

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Is it ever explained why the Traveler chose Sol of all places to be the place it does that?

ember storm
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itā€™s never chosen anyone for a specific reason

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its belief is that all life should deserve to exist without inherent reason

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it helped anyone it could

warm gazelle
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But it only gave Light to humanity.

ember storm
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humanity is just the civilization the traveler was with when it decided to make a definitive stand against the witness

warm gazelle
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Okay, so humanity being the people blessed with the Light is just a coincidence.

ember storm
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humanity never held some special quality above the rest of the universe the traveler has tried to save

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weā€™re just lucky to be the ones where a different approach was taken

warm gazelle
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Oddly random for a franchise that calls itself Destiny.

ember storm
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actually thatā€™s the whole point of guardians

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risen as blank slates without any prior knowledge or experiences, but with godlike power

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free to choose to do whatever they want

warm gazelle
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Game should be called Freedom.

ember storm
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not really as catchy

warm gazelle
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It worked for Jonathon Franzen.

ember storm
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no idea who that is

outer dragon
ember storm
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itā€™s not the travelerā€™s fault three of the most famous hunters had massive clues about their past lives

warm gazelle
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Right, the ghost chooses who they grant the light to?

empty fern
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Yes

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Even if itā€™s someone a little weird

warm gazelle
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the ghost brought back chris-chan and there was nothing we could do šŸ’€

rich veldt
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theres a list somewhere on everything that can kill one

outer dragon
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It's complicated

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There was a ghost who thought they were going to chose an Eliksni but instead rezed an Awoken that was under the Eliksni

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Pulled Pork, Glint's name before Crow used to scan random garbage.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/pulled-pork

Pulled Pork ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

ā€”
Nkechi-32 lies on the hull of her ship, skimming through gossip and salvage requisition lists on VanNet. Agu nestles in the magnificent feather ruff of her chest plate and looks out at the debris of the Reef.
"'Revised Crucible rules are garbage,' blah blah blah. How does this have like three hundred comments?" she says, flicking to the next p...

warm gazelle
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Ishtar? These men are pawns!

warm gazelle
outer dragon
winter aspen
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where is the reef?

dusty jolt
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Non existence

winter aspen
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bruhh

dusty jolt
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Bruhh

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warm gazelle
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maybe it's maybelline

chrome fog
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Regardless, the central theme is being about what we do with the power we're given, questioning how much we deserve it and whether all that should define if we should help others or not

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Destiny is given to us and is up to us to determine

warm gazelle
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i mean getting the light is the reason they have been the most successful against the Hive and co. you see what happens when they lose it, everything is fucked

chrome fog
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Well, there was one time that the Light was used before us; there was the Gift Mast which a weapon that the Traveler blessed a coalition of aliens that successfully repelled the Hive until Oryx killed his sisters, Xivu Arath and Savathun (also coincidentally leading to the discovery of Throneworlds), and got a boost in Ascendent Power which allowed him to destroy the Gift Mast and genocide more alien species

warm gazelle
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seems more like how OP our character is specifically than the overall strength of humanity. you're the one doing 99.9% of the work

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warm gazelle
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yeah

chrome fog
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We could send a whole army of Guardians but the last time that happened, Crota broke open the Moon and killed basically all of them, which is why we operate on the Strike system

warm gazelle
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i bet there are some people in this server who have killed more Vex than Saint-14

chrome fog
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Eeeeeeeh

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But could they do it Lightless

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and barehanded

warm gazelle
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was he lightless the whole time? i thought he was just lightless right before he died

chrome fog
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For a significant portion of time before he died

warm gazelle
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he was killing the vex over and over, until they drained the light from him and he died soon after

chrome fog
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Yes, because he missed his boyfriend Osiris

warm gazelle
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fair tbh

chrome fog
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It's a bit more signidicant than that but essentially yeah

chrome fog
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He's also notable for his cruelty against Eliksni during the Dark Ages and the City Age

fast tapir
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how the FUCK was that a bedtime story šŸ˜­

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i still dont understand that

chrome fog
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Boogy Man story

fast tapir
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that shit would keep me up

velvet flax
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its even spookier if you consider the monster in it is real and is in very close proximity to you

fast tapir
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oh god

chrome fog
# chrome fog https://youtu.be/0B9v8VoZrMU?si=9kJGTYoXTXULzHZ9

In listening to this account from Mithrax, Saint realized how horrendous he was to the Eliksni and became much more considerate to House Light, advocating for them after being against their occupation of the blasted out City Quarter they sought refuge in

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Also hey Guardian Games

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SCAEKBOARD????

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Ok I need to participate in Guardian Games this year

empty fern
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Yuh

next bobcat
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Yeah

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Nyoom

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I feel stronkth

empty fern
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Drain his light

loud jacinth
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Bunch of nerdsšŸ¤“

runic swift
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Yeah what young said

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Youā€™re in a Discord server for a science fantasy video game too so

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Stones in glass houses

loud jacinth
chrome fog
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You're a gamer, you're objectively one of us

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Genuinely, does anyone who comes into this channel calling people nerds realize how dumb they look

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Because I have two nickles for the number of people who've done it recently and it feels like a really bad half-dollar sitting in my pocket

runic swift
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Do you not understand a joke

chrome fog
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It's a dumb joke considering everyone in this server is a nerd

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Like damn dawg, sure is funny you're here if that's something to pick on

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What, got lost and found yourself in the lore section, making fun of everyone who's there for the lore?

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Probably need to learn how to read if you can't find a channel that isn't about lore, there's plenty there for you to go in

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Dipshit humor, jokes with no mind behind them

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I donā€™t think it was that serious

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Tbf

loud jacinth
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Idk why bro got so offended

warm gazelle
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Damn Zavala I didn't know it was like that.

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broken zephyr
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but thatā€™s besides the point

loud jacinth
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Smt happened

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Then smt else happened

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Someone died

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Now where here

broken zephyr
warm gazelle
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the lore is Zavala needs you

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really bad

broken zephyr
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weā€™re *

loud jacinth
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ā€œWeā€™reā€ lore when

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The word "were" comes from Old English, specifically from the word "wĒ£ron." It has evolved over time to become the form we use today.

trim grotto
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You said neither were nor we're
you said where

loud jacinth
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šŸ—æ

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Huh

trim grotto
loud jacinth
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Itā€™s fine Iā€™m a nerd too

trim grotto
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nerd buddies

loud jacinth
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Mechanical Engineering nerd tho

chrome fog
analog torrent
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Mr Sparrow Racing Guy created the stompees and frostees, are there are SRL-related weapons?

chrome fog
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Heir Apparant

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Oh wait, SRL

warm gazelle
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that's what sparrow racing is missing

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guns

trim grotto
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Well, there are always Pikes.

warm gazelle
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aye

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common fallen W

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common guardian L

runic swift
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can i join your clan

trim grotto
# runic swift can i join your clan

Well you'd have to join the Discord and be at least somewhat active in the community first, since that's the primary point of this particular clan
Community over gameplay, albeit we do plenty of gameplay too.

next bobcat
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Who was dredgen yorā€™s ghost?

dim minnow
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and as of currently, he is still alive

trim grotto
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Yeppers

And an acquaintance of Shin. I do wonder how that relationship goes, though.

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For all the harm that Yor did, Vincent was still his Ghost. There's a connection there whether he wants it or not.

dim minnow
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given how Vincent's last conversation with Yor went, he was probably glad someone stopped his madness

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though yeah he did still care for Rezyl

bronze stone
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hey, i'm new to Destiny and trying to catch up. i've watched a youtube video for the lore up until Destiny 2, i know the campaign is missing but there is still some content that is playable. afaik only the strikes. so i've done the 2 EDZ strikes now, what's next? did we travel to nessus in the red war?

trim grotto
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Gimme a sec to turn my computer on and make a cuppa tea and I'll be right with you

trim grotto
# bronze stone hey, i'm new to Destiny and trying to catch up. i've watched a youtube video for...

alrighty, so
Firstly, you may be interested in this: https://youtu.be/WAw1g2tHN3s?si=OvxHWj6BW6uDRcUs
This includes the cutscenes, important bits of missions, Adventures, and so on.
Keep in mind it was recorded during Season of Arrivals, and due the manner in which the cutscenes are rendered, there are Pyramids in some of the skies where there should be none.

YouTube
Destin
Destiny 2: The Red War All Cutscenes (Season 1)

The lore collection kicks off with the beginning of Destiny 2 The Red War. This is a collection of all the story beats that happened during the Red War Campaign in Destiny 2. Join as the Cabal invade the tower, led by Ghaul, and take all the guardians light. This kicks off the story of Destiny 2 and also includes the soon to be deleted adventure...

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That said: Yes! After we escaped the Last City and were taken to the Farm by Hawthorne, recovered our Light at the Shard of the Traveler, and helped out the refugees at the Farm for a bit, we did next head to Nessus, in an attempt to find Cayde-6, who himself went there to find a Vex teleporter with which he may assassinate Dominus Ghaul.

bronze stone
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great! is there something like that for destiny 1 too? i just watched a lore summary

trim grotto
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For shorter, bite sized summaries of Destiny from D1 up to D2's Season of the Lost (directly prior to Witch Queen), you can use this
https://www.previouslyondestiny.com

PREVIOUSLY ON DESTINY
PREVIOUSLY ON DESTINY

Catch up on the complete story of Bungie's DESTINY - a simplified guide for New Lights and returning players.

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For actual videos, you can simply put "destiny 1 all cutscenes" into YouTube. Depending on how through you want them to be, you've got four options right away.

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We here would also be happy to help out with more specific questions or explanations, too.

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There are a fair few knowledgeable regulars here, such as Dova and myself and others who can help.

bronze stone
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nice gonna check everything out, thank you very much and if i have any questions i'll ask here :)

bronze stone
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btw is there any playable d1 story content in d2?

dim minnow
blazing wasp
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There's also a cosmodrome strike that's just a remastered omnigul

bronze stone
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what raids (probably not doable until i have good gear and stuff, right?) and what strikes?

blazing wasp
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Oops

blazing wasp
bronze stone
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okay ty :)

blazing wasp
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Watch a guide, get a sherpa (basically a teacher)

bronze stone
blazing wasp
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So the reprised raids are not canon

bronze stone
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but i understood that correct, there are only 3 raids in destiny 2? and none of them are completely new raids?

trim grotto
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Vault of Glass, Crota's End, King's Fall, from D1
From D2, you've got Last Wish, Garden of Salvation, Deep Stone Crypt, Root of Nightmares

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and uuh

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whatchacallit

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Vow of the Disciple

bronze stone
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ah got a perfect list for all strikes, dungeons and raids from destinypedia :)

trim grotto
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While Destinypedia will be good for that, keep in mind that Destinypedia is...

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Unreliable

bronze stone
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is it?

trim grotto
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Like any of these public Wikis, it can be altered, and the accuracy can depend on the editor and their interpretations.

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This can lead to misinformation

bronze stone
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oh yea it looks outdated, when i check power levels for example

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or maybe it is the power level of when it got released, idk

trim grotto
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Actually that does look updated
But nonetheless, grain of salt

bronze stone
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okay :)

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the game does not lead you into those strikes like "The Devil's Lair" for example? it's just that the game shows you strikes exist with the "New Light" questline and that's it?

trim grotto
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Featuring the now disbanded House of Devils

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Hence the name

bronze stone
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and are those destiny 2 strikes that are non-canon remasters from the d1 version, vastly different to the d1 version? or is the story the same?

trim grotto
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The story is generally identical under most circumstances. Devil's Lair was reused canonically in D2 on occasion but if you're just running it in the Playlist then you're doing it as a "D1 story" piece.

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Strikes are "snapshots in time". They had relevant story at the time of release, but that may make less sense the further the story progresses.

bronze stone
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got ya

trim grotto
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For example, one of them involves fighting the Cabal Ascendancy, Caiatl's troops, and challenging her champion.

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This lead to our ceasefire, which in turn has now lead to our alliance.

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However, that Strike/Battleground is still playable.

warm gazelle
trim grotto
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It was returned when Beyond Light launched, if I recall.

warm gazelle
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That makes sense, Beyond Light seems to be the Fallen Expansion.

trim grotto
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House Salvation to be precise, yes.

bronze stone
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since it didn't look like anything got skipped when i watched, are those all just side missions not relevant to the main story?

willow dagger
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Why did the guardians go underwater? And whatā€™s with the fishing? Is it in anyway related to Svathuns beginning story of a big fish whispering to her from under the water?

empty fern
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Itā€™s deep sea themed so thereā€™s fishing
We went underwater to help big fish and sloane

trim grotto
willow dagger
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# willow dagger But.. *why*?

Shortly before Season of the Deep, our attempts to enter the portal on the Traveler ended fatally for the one who tried. We had also received a hint from a ā€œVex Mindā€ on Neomuna of an enemy of the Witness hiding on Titan. Suddenly, Titan returns to the Solar System after having been taken by the Witness all these years. Along with it, a distress call from Deputy Commander Sloane

bronze stone
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The distress call was coming from beneath Titanā€™s sea, so we use some tech from Drifter to delve into the depths to pursue it. We finally find Sloane along with the proto-worm Ahsa beneath the sea

willow dagger
full zephyr
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They chillin out there in the sea

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We had to defend Ahsa from Xivuā€™s forces too, successfully though. Ahsa remains on Titan still

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During Season of the Witch, she actually acted as Erisā€™ worm, holding the power for Eris that she received in tithes

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The Vault of Glass is a deep Vex installation embedded in Venus. Within its walls, the Vex of the Hezen Protective had utter ontological control over everything inside. Atheon and the Oracles and Gorgons of the Vault could, quite literally, erase you from time and existence itself, leaving no trace that you ever even existed - even wiping you from memory.

bronze stone
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If you get a good Raid team who are willing to Sherpa (teach) you, then yes. I recommend grabbing a decent Heavy weapon for DPS. Then you can join that team and go raiding. Vault of Glass is a good, though not the most exciting, beginner Raid.

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The Vault of Glass was a rumour of legendary status. We only knew about its nature due to the sole surviving person of a Fireteam who entered. Pahanin escaped the Vault of Glass, and told the tale of Kabr, the Legionless, who sacrificed his Light and life to create the Aegis, a relic of the Light.

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There was also Praedyth, who was killed/captured/simulated/imprisoned by the Vex. His body dead, but still stuck within the Vex network.

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It's very much a side story. The Vault was a thing of incredible, albiet localised, power. However, it didn't and still doesn't affect the overall story of Destiny, unlike most modern Raids that followed it.

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Half of the Leviathan Raids notwithstanding that generalisation...

bronze stone
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okay, thanks for the detailed explanation <3

trim grotto
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Happy to help!

trim grotto
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Ahsa is why we know the origin of the Witness. She told us through a psychic link to Sloane.

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trim grotto
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The first dot point for the external LFG Discord is the most populated place to look for groups

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They have a dedicated sherpa channel, I believe

full zephyr
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yuh

bronze stone
# trim grotto Oh, also

ty, however i decided to watch it online, because i would have to skip "Crota's End" anyways (because of power level), and i rather do the raids later on when i have more unlocked in the game.

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still useful tho

trim grotto
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To be fair, the raids released a while ago are at 1600, Vault of Glass included.

bronze stone
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yea but crota's end isn't and lore wise it would come next, so i would need to skip it for a while which sucks a bit

bronze stone
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nvm i changed my mind ^^ gonna look for a sherpa for VoG

trim grotto
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Have fun!

chrome fog
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Red War, Forsaken, and all seasonal content prior to Lightfallā€™s release year has been removed from D2 (as well as some select raids); otherwise thereā€™s plenty of content provided youā€™re willing to get some of the expansion bundles

trim grotto
# ember storm no, thereā€™s a voiceover cutscene after you clear it and go to orbit

https://youtu.be/Ea1A7GgdyRs?si=h05EN9m3dzhFHTNu

This?

YouTube
Destiny Lore Vault
The Disgraced | Mission Complete: "The Danger in Hive Logic" | Beyo...

Alternative Dialogue from "The Disgraced" Strike in the Cosmodrome on Earth.

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Zavala: NavƓta's play for power showed the danger in Hive logic, but also it's flaws. You've proven that the path to victory comes only from the Light.
Ghost: We're happy to send the message, Commander.
Zavala: Excellent work. Return to the tower.
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#Destiny2 ...

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ember storm
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no

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after you go to orbit thereā€™s a Zavala voiceover cutscene exclusive to the new light quest version

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this is neither

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you disappoint me

trim grotto
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Specifically the New Light version
M'alrighty

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hmm
alright i'm calling in the cavalry for this one
@grave wharf, any ideas?

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Wait what

grave wharf
# trim grotto hmm alright i'm calling in the cavalry for this one <@285173188093018123>, any i...

This is correct Zavala: NavƓta is no more... and you have continued to impress us with your ongoing successes, Guardian. With help from Guardians like you, we have come to a greater understanding of the truth. The Darkness is not what we first assumed. Like the Light, it is a powerful tool of paracausal energy. Despite my earlier misgivings, we have learned how to harness it to help humanity... just as our enemies have found way to wield the Light against us. What we once thought was the Darkness, the vile entity responsible for our great Collapse, is now known to us as... the Witness. For the first time in hundreds of years, the Traveler left the Last City to directly confront it in Earth's orbit and the Vanguard needs you now more than ever. [Present Day] Come see me for some new assignments, Guardian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnaRyA0qGZs

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Destiny Lore Vault
First Contact | Zavala's Debrief ā€” New Light Version | Lightfall

Zavala: NavƓta is no more... and you have continued to impress us with your ongoing successes, Guardian. With help from Guardians like you, we have come to a greater understanding of the truth.

The Darkness is not what we first assumed. Like the Light, it is a powerful tool of paracausal energy. Despite my earlier misgivings, we have learned h...

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trim grotto
ember storm
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I can rest now

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That should be obvious but some people are still mistake about the Traveler

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So thatā€™s nice to have to use

timber glade
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are still mistake

grave wharf
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Yeah, it's something, but it's still Zavala's perspective. It's mine personally tbh

ember storm
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the list

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Osiris
Lord Shaxx
Devrim Kay
Oryx
Marc 
Suraya Hawthorne
Mara Sov 
Sjur Eido
Eramis 
Athrys 
Ana Bray
Camrin Dumuzi
Elisabeth Bray 
Ikora Rey 
Drifter 
Eriana-3 
Wei Ning 
Micah-10
Hector Abram
Wesley Abram
Chalco Yong
Amrita Vae
Kazia
Maya Sundaresh
Chioma Esi
Nimbus
Stargazer 
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True

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now we wait for someone to notice

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the change

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So if this is the case, why did that mf Dredgen Yor go crazy and start murdering people the moment he got Darkness

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completely different situation

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I did

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what was it

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Lack of response constitutes as a forfeit

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I win

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thats true

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what is this list for anyway

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a new contestant

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ah shit

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real!

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fun fact you will burn

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LOL

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man someone get this fool out of here

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Iā€™m disappointed in you

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second, you get partial credit, but not entirely

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ā€œYouā€ means the young wolf

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real

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Why is Oryx separating Devrim and Marc

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the taken king claims all

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The Taken King actually refers to his relationship status

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yeah but hes dead so

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not much there

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heā€™s the opposite of Shaxx

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ā€œI am open to marry anyone who wins this tournamentā€

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no

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oryx is ā€œyou will marry meā€

fast tapir
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thereā€™s only one slice of bologna left in the fridge

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I am distraught

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eat it

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I made a shitty sandwich with it

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that is awesome

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i wish i had a singular remaining piece of bologna :c

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i am so hungry

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the joke is the same level of funny as yesterday

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boo

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it's not a joke, his desire is real

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the only real thing here is my desire for cosmic brownies

warm gazelle
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unfortunately, his desire is unrequited

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i'm just using him for his vanguard bounties

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I can take or leave em

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Aight

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Also I'm sorry about getting pissy the other day, just that other dude before the last person who kept making the joke was real annoying about it so I wanted to shut that shit down

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what the heck was this

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Itā€™s when you unlock stasis

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Unknown still what precisely it represents

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We see them around a lot associated with the Witness

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Ah ok

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First appeared in the Lunar Pyramid. I believe there was also one in the Garden of Salvation raid

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The Europa Pyramid one ofc. One in the Deep Stone Crypt too

warm gazelle
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It wasnā€™t you, it was someone else who I exploded on about them saying ā€œnerdā€ in chat

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like Clarity Control

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or the veiled statues that gave us Stasis/Deepsight

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Also that you do Strikes as part of the campaigns

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what is this

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An artifact given to us by the Witness

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Do we know what it is

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Iirc it called out to a signal within the Black Garden (or something in the Garden called to it and we traced it) and Eris Morn was also able to transcribe the Unveiling texts from it

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Ah ok

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# shadow crypt Ah ok

https://youtu.be/UUqW675Bc-8?si=xFgscGPRTZM89kd0

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Destiny 2: Garden of Salvation Introduction - Opening Dialogue from...

Short transcript for Ishtar Collective.

Eris Morn: "They take us for fools.The artifact you brought back from the Pyramid began emitting a signal. One that reaches deep into... the Black Garden. Once again, we are beckoned into their trap. They expect us to follow the signal. To discover where it leads. Fine. We will play their games. But this...

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Hey - i was just wondering, since iā€™m farming prophecy rnā€¦ why is that person at the end, after kell echo is dead, so huge? Is there a reason for that?

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She doesnā€™t always appear that way

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Why drifter call eris moondust?

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Because of her association with the moon

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Also ā€˜cause one time she visited him and tracked in moondust on her boots iirc

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So does eris call drifter rat?

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She does

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Used to be scathing but as theyā€™ve grown closer its meant more affectionately now

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and "meretricious rogue"

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they running Crimson doubles now

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Read the lore tab of the season pass sparrow to see how far their relationship has developed

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Was it the season pass sparrow or the one for resetting rank?

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Uh Nostos or something along those lines

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Gloaming Journeyer is the one with the Eris/Drifter lore

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Nostos is Eramis resolving to reunite with Athrys

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Athrys?

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Who is that?

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Eramisā€™ wife; she left before the whole House Salvation thing, maybe even before the Eliksniā€™s arrival in the Sol System

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I could be mistaken on that last part but still, she had left a while ago, partially due to Eramisā€™ obsession with revenge against the Traveler for abandoning the Eliksni when the Witnessā€™ forces came upon their home planet Riis

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Oh wait

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Thatā€™s Namraskā€™s reaction to Variks telling him

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"Athrys is gone?" Woeful news; she was Eramis's guiding glint.```
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Yeah, that does feel like it was more recent than before entering the system

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Why did the Vex try to stop the Traveler from healing in Destiny 1?

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They built the Black Heart on the Witnessā€™ instructions iirc

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But also they stand to gain from the Traveler being weakened

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Oh. The Vex are servants of the Witness?

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Also, the Black Heart was a means of acquiring power and furthering their goals towards Convergence. I also have reason to believe it powered the Vault of Glass.

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Someone on here said the Vex don't really use the Darkness, so I thought they were a separate thing.

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In order to further the general Vex goal

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Okay, so it was more like a temporary alliance of convenience.

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Essentially, yes. For the Sol Divisive Vex, their alliance and worship is a means to an end.

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It is not devotion. It is practical.

warm gazelle
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I got the impression that the Vex were on a Borg-like path to turn all things into Vex.

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Not just people though, all of reality.

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Something like that, yes. That's basically what Convergence is. It is, in a way, their version of a Final Shape.

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I was reading about how they invaded Oryx's home. That would make sense then, they were trying to gain his ability to Take things.

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Well, not quite. Savathƻn tricked Crota into cutting a way into their domain.

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He accidentally opened the gates to an army.

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The Vex simply took that opportunity and ran with it

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Right right

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They'd use the power of Taking to bring about the Convergence

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They didn't do very well with that. Quria couldn't simulate Oryx, and the Vex worship directed at the Worms was not enough for that level of power even if they understood how.

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Which, they didn't.

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More so that, Throneworlds are a result and the home of Ascendent Hive, whom are Paracausally charged by their Worms and the tribute (death) they feed them, so it would be prudent for the Vex to assimilate and study them so as to gain an understanding of Paracausality; coincidentally the Vex Network occupies a similar ā€˜planeā€™ as the Ascendent Realm - where Throneworlds lie - so Crotaā€™s opening into their domain was fairly lucky for them

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# trim grotto It is not devotion. It is practical.

Going back to this, however, Paracausality is inherently dependent on an individualā€™s belief, which means even though they are able to simulate worship to a paracausal artifact like the Black Heart to gain some Paracausality, it will never be as much as any being that thinks more conventionally, that thinks in symbolism and not literally like the Vex do via their simulations

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Itā€™s why Sol Divisive has been complicit in the Witnessā€™ schemes, as it is literally their dealer in Paracausality

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Is it explained how humans had colonized Neptune (a planet that doesn't have a solid surface...?) and created an advanced civilization without anyone noticing?

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Autocorrect I swear

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Humanity was incredibly advanced during the golden age

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you can imagine a group of them being untouched for over a thousand years would leave them in good shape

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everything part of a standard colonization ship was with them, along with some of the brightest minds of the golden age (Ishtar leaders)

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really all they needed was to build support structures and they were golden

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Dustin Hoffman and Warren Beatty?

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I donā€™t know any of these names you keep saying

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# chrome fog A combination of our own records of the Exodus Indigo - the colony ship which es...

To elaborate on that second part, Clovis Bray and Ishtar Collective collaborated to make a wholly original AI based on research developing the Rasputin AI as well as research on the Vex; their combined efforts produced the Soteria AI and was being taught by Rasputin how to be sentient, when she detected the Pyramid ships right outside of the solar system. In response, she launched one of the Exodus colony ships - Exodus Indigo - which then landed on Neptune. Because this was not sanctioned by Clovis Bray, the Soteria AI was shattered before it could launch any further colony ships, and essentially all records of the event were erased

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And then at some point, Savathun hid the Veil on Neptune, which went on to be discovered by the Ishtar members and studied; this probably assisted in cloaking the colony as their establishment was right as the Collapse began to unfold

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from an old reference no one cares about anymore

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I have completed Beyond Light. The stuff about coming to terms with taking on Darkness and learning about the Exo Stranger's past was cool.

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I expected more resistance to the idea from the Vanguard.

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But ig when you've saved all of humanity like a hundred times over people just kinda follow along with whatever you decide.

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whole point of BL was to establish that the Darkness is not inherently evil

warm gazelle
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like how WQ shows that the Light is not inherently good

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That doesn't mean everyone's suddenly gonna become cool with harnessing a force they've been fighting against for centuries

dim minnow
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well, to be fair, there was an entire overarching storyline that went on throughout Y2 with the end goal being to pave the way for the next generation of Guardians who will be able to wield both Light and Dark

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it should've involved more input from the other members of the Vanguard

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instead of just zavala

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would have liked to have heard what Ikora, Eris, etc had to say about using Stasis

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Ikora was cautious, but willing to hear it out

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Eris already had Stasis long before us

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and neither of them show up in the campaign

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Eris does though

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Ikora, while not directly involved, we do get some input from her later on

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meh

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after her opinion on the matter is no longer relevant because you've already embraced the darkness

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Anyway, now I'm doing Shadowkeep, and I finally understand what pyramid they were talking about in Beyond Light.

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Just look at, say, Aunor Mahal or Shayura.

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So when people go fishing, whatā€™s does that do? (In terms of the story development)

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Aunor at least was content in following Vanguard orders

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SHayura went crazy

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We just, uh, found a rod and tackle and went fishing.

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so it's a shame that all we get from the vanguard is some moderate concern from zavala

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He was much more vehemently opposed to its usage, with cautious sanction for its use

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A good read for the somewhat turning point in opinion against Stasis is when Shayu- hold on

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@trim grotto wasnā€™t it Aisha who used Stasis? Shayura was opposed to it to the point of going serial killer after seeing Hive Light bearers

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And no no

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hang on

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Ye ok I had to double-take

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Shayura gave herself up after seeing Hive Lightbearers

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Ah ok

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She realised she fucked up, very, very badly.

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Because Light no longer meant "good"

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And thus Dark no longer meant "bad"

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And she realised she'd slaughtered dozens of innocents

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Aight coolio

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she had a whole psychotic break in the middle of a Last City park and when she was confronted by Aisha and Reed (along with the fuzz) she surrendered

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So far Witch Queen has been easily the best of these expansions tbh. Not done with Shadowkeep yet though

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# chrome fog A good read for the somewhat turning point in opinion against Stasis is when Sha...

Continuing this, Aisha used Stasis to disperse a crowd of City citizens from ganging up on a frazzled Eliksni whoā€™d wandered the streets; while she succeeded in de-escalating the crowd, unfortunately the Eliksni had ran away in fear of the Stasis use and then died later due to a bad actor.

This was also during the Cityā€™s time under the Darkest Night, where the Vex were running a simulation over the Last City to prevent the Sun from shining and also made everyone act on their worse instincts, which was not great when House Light was moving in so that Misraaks, Kell of Light, could help us get rid of the Darkest Night

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we all knew the Traveler wouldn't just attempt to wipe out an entire planet's ecosystem

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Itā€™s funny that weā€™ve had a lot of big twists essentially be Bungie shouting ā€œHEY THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING DONT TRY TO TWIST ITā€

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Which is fair, some players are just. abysmal to convince of lore points that are spelt out before them

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Qugu is- wait no, thatā€™s Jizu. Whoā€™s Qugu?

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Qugu are a race the Hive wiped out

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The herd beast species who went extinct back in the Books of Sorrow who gave up their limbs for a symbiotic relationship as directed by an internal virus

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and the Qugu also aligned with the Dark (but not the Witness)

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sounds just like Nezarec

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Nezarec has limbs though

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yes, that was sarcasm

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hard to tell though text anyways

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this is true

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I really do want to know what his backstory is

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Iā€™m guessing the theory is that Nezarec is this said-virus, maybe also adding in that in the wiping of their race from existence they accidentally underwent the same process as the Witness and became Nezarec?

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the whole 7 different eyes thing implies he was some sort of chimera (at least according to concept art)

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Take a gander

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could Nezarec have been a direct creation of the Witness I wonder?

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Ah, that was my comment link, not the post
Close enough

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and Rhulk was given the task of making him into a disciple

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maybe explains why Nezarec was trusted with the Veil

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Thereā€™s also the fact that Nezarec doesnā€™t seem to have a set physical form, as heā€™s able to talk like heā€™ll return after we kill him in RoN, which means his actual self might not be physical in nature, or at least not conventionally physical which might lend some credence to the sentient virusā€”>Nezzy theory; but also the Qugu are just herd animals, unless their intelligence was uplifted in some manner before or after by the Witness, it doesnā€™t feel like itā€™d equate to Nezarec if you slaughter all bunch of space sheep and perform a Dark Magic ritual to meld their consciousnesses into one

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I think the concept art design for him was more in line of his original form

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since it does line up pretty well with the statue of him as seen in the Witness' Pyramid

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Is he a disjointed consciousness capable of transferring his self into different bodies, shells for him to manipulate? Is he some paracausally-charged viral agent who affects the same type of interaction via biological processes? Thereā€™s nothing concrete, so while the theory is interesting, it doesnā€™t have much to stand in with the inherent vagueness of Nezarecā€™s lore

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Kinda like Caital and Umunā€™Arath

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I'm... not sure it's the virus connecting them.

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And the Leviathans

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One moment.

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It's just these two

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probably more than what we got on Midha, Consort of Stars

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Bungie drops such a hard name and refused to build on it

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Mmm, itā€™s a hard call with what we have, but youā€™re right, it doesnā€™t really insinuate that the virus connects them

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Yet the nectar which induces their visions - which Savathun utilizes - is processed from eggs created in Qugu limbs by the virus (which is a weird thing because viruses donā€™t really make eggs, they are the eggs and insert themselves into productive cells so that theyā€™re rewritten to produce more virus; if itā€™s in reference to pustules and stuff like that, thatā€™s an autoimmune response to physically isolate infectious material in a literal flesh bubble.) but also it could be the Jaw Beasts which are causing this change in the cells

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I feel like the virus angle is a way to connect to Egregore considering the kinda-sorta-not-really-but-a-little-bit similarities spores and viruses share; but thatā€™s going deep into the Spinfoil, which seems more close to when Seth just coincidentally had Hive sounding names for two important Cabal characters

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But that second one is from Inspiral, meaning they must have read the virus part of the first entry, but also still couldā€™ve just been coincidence

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We can only see whenever Bungie elaborates on Nezzy or the Qugu

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could it have been the virusā€™ consciousness that got raised into Nezarec by the Witness after itā€™s only host got eradicated hmmmmmmm

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i know we have like, no information about skimmers, but are they connected to the cloudstriders?

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# heady monolith i know we have like, no information about skimmers, but are they connected to th...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOtrB8KNWuc

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Destiny Lore Vault
The City Is My Weapon | Cargo Bay, Neomuna: "Big Boats That Suck Wa...

Alternative Dialogue for the City is My Weapon analysis patrol on Neomuna.

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Quinn Laghari: Those docks should be bustling with skimmers ā€” these big boats that suck water and microdiamonds from the storms.

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Neomuna Patrol: The City Is My Weapon (Analysis Mission) ā€” Lightfall Playlist:
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They just... skim microdiamonds.

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i want a cloudstrider board and i want it NOW

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We havenā€™t even gotten to Guardian Games yet and thatā€™s when the first board ever in this game is going to release

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Be patient

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i would settle for sparrows that don't drive like they're underwater

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in the future, our vehicles will actually turn worse than cars we have now

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No.

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The jaw beast necter was a very specific case from a now extinct species from centuries ago.

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I don't know where Sav comes into it

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Which is to say, she doesn't

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Ok, but there's still nothing against the possibility that Savathun's "magic" is just really advanced alien insect pheromones/spores/etc.

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it really just isn't though

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the hive have literal magic

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Eris regularly uses hive magic

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Overwhelming amounts against it

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aside from replacement eyes, she's a completely normal human

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she can use hive spells just the same

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it's just magic

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Does hive magic have lore or is it just "this group of aliens has its own magic because why not"

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It has a lot of lore.

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the entire backstory of the hive revolves around them being deceived by the witness and falling to the darkness

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so

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yeah

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Oh

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It was thoroughly explored in Witch Queen, too

eager trout
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So that's why I don't know about it

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No

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It's had lore since D1

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you really don't need WQ at all to know about this

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WQ only elaborated on one specific part

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that being the witness was responsible

eager trout
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But it does explain why Savathun's Throne World is imbued with Light (she wants it).

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it was fairly clear all along the worm gods tricked them into taking the pact

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eager trout
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I didn't play Destiny 1.

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they have ghosts now

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Oh

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So it's not because she desired it

ember storm
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D1 didn't have lore tabs ingame, it had a system called grimoire

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And because there was no other way for her to maintain her collapsing Throne World otherwise

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her entire plan revolved around it

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the thing is her ghost Immaru was in on it all along and the two planned it

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No, I mean because of the whole "throne worlds are shaped by their owner's desires" thing

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She was resurrected in the Light and then created the Wellspring to maintain her Throne

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So Ghost is an unreliable source of information-

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when savathun died the first time without her worm, the throne world was just collapsing

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Savathun has a separate resevoir of pure light she's harvested over the years called the Wellspring

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it could never let her do what guardians do, but it helps maintain the throne world's form now that it's not a proper one

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she also uses it to empower her army in certain ways

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such as the volatile moths

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Throne Worlds, generally, are pockets of stability within the Ascendant Plane of Darkness. They are formed when an Ascendant Hive grows powerful enough to force their will upon the world. This power comes from the Worm Parasite, which is fuelled by Darkness.

One cannot simply "want Light" and have this opposite force appear.

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keep in mind for some reason 7/8s of the campaign pretends we have no idea how savathun is back

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this is ghost just guessing

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and he's wrong

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Savathun's throne world is imbued with light because she rebuilt it with light

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No, he isn't wrong. But there's more to it.

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When Savathƻn was resurrected and gained the Light, she used that power and the power of the Wellspring, along with her connection to the Throne World, to begin to reforge it all, sweeping across the landscape.

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But this was only possible after gaining control of Light.

eager trout
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Is that why there's a lot of plants in there or was it always like that?

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You may have noticed two distinct aesthetics in the Throne.

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Swamp

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And candle wick

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Old vs new. Original vs reformed.

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The Throne is not completely and utterly remade, and those outer areas are still as they were.

eager trout
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Oh, so the swamp is the old part?

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Part of it, yes.

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also the underground parts that was designed to resemble hell

eager trout
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And the candle-like things are the new?

trim grotto
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The whole white castle Lucent aesthetic is new

ember storm
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all of the bright crystal structures are new

eager trout
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Looks like a mix of candle wick and salt crystals to me

ember storm
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it's likely not any real mineral

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it's probably just crystalized light

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How does the wildlife in the Throne World work?

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Does Savathƻn import animals or are they all fabricated thought-animals

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possibly just things savathun had a passing interest in and collected

eager trout
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There's wildlife?

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Yeah

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Various bugs and birds and such

ember storm
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might as well if you're banking on your throne world being the only surviving piece of the normal universe

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like "oh well i should save those disgusting mollusk things, those guys are great"

eager trout
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The what-

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these guys are in the helm too

eager trout
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To be fair, when you look like this, you might consider those things to be cute.

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savathun is unironically one of the most pleasing hive aesthetically

eager trout
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Why does she move like Ultron?

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she's currently bleeding out from a stab wound to her abdomen

eager trout
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That doesn't explain it

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eager trout
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Ok, now, why is the MIDA Multitool so....boring? Like, out of the countless functions it supposedly has, they only let us use like 3.

trim grotto
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because it's mostly just a joke and a reference to marathon

eager trout
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I mean, they're functions not many weapons have, but still

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Is there a weapon that has some sort of random effect?

trim grotto
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As in, gameplay wise?

eager trout
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Yeah

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no

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would be horribly unbalanced or just completely useless

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closest thing was D1 hawkmoon which was just awful

eager trout
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What did it do?

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instead of building up to the high power shot, it was just one random shot in the magazine

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you had zero control over it

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worthless

eager trout
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if you want to talk about that just look at any TF2 video about the mechanic of random crits

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i don't really want to talk about anything like that right now

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i'm going to get breakfast

eager trout
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I did something like that in a character I'm making for Rivals of Aether. That character can have a lot of different buffs but you can't choose which one you get.

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Honestly, a weapon that shoots a random type of damage (with each damage time having a different effect on the target) each time would be fine.

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If it actually applied effects, then that'd be a bit concerning. Particularly for PvP, which is why Hawkmoon was changed on its reprisal.

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I mean, doesn't have to be the elements' signature effects.

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Better to have a weapon where you earn the buff and it feels rewarding than an unrewarding random weapon

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eager trout
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Making an enemy be suppressed, burned, frozen, electrified, [whatever Strand does] all at the same time is a little overkill.

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Whereas when you have to earn the one shot, itā€™s better all around

eager trout
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Huh, so Hawkmoon can drop with different perks or is that possible in all exotics?

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only one

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DMT was like that too but Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s just craftable now

eager trout
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What's DMT?

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eager trout
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Imagine an exotic for which the only unique thing is that all of the random (non-exclusive) perks that weapons can drop with are available to be selected (as in, the ones that have a more unique effect, not the ones that simply change stats).

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A lore-accurate MIDA would probably have been like this.

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Anyways, is there a reason why Cloudstriders' armor covers everything except their chest (where their heart is) or is that just a bad design choice?

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Cloud Strider armour varies drastically from person to person

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Perhaps itā€™s personal customisation. Perhaps thereā€™s other reasons why they have areas of exposed skin

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They are augmented super soldiers so theyā€™re going to be very tough

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And Iā€™d argue itā€™s telling that theyā€™ve successfully fought the Vex for centuries and none of them had perished in battle before

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ember storm
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i mean it's related

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They were already responding to Mael debunking the Qugu thing

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Their suggestion in that message was that Hive magic could still be a funky biology thing

chrome fog
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The implication was that Savathun got her Darkness stuff from the Qugu sap, to which no, that wouldnā€™t be correct because she was using Darkness long before the Hive came upon the Qugu to begin with

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Is lore chat questioning the existence of magic in the scifi game where we can pull out flaming hammers from thin air

chrome fog
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Mothris do you know about the Qugu

gentle geyser
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Not at all, all I care about is cool space magic

chrome fog
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Great

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But nah, someone new to the lore saw the conversation about the Qugu earlier and thought that Savathun got her power from the sap their jaw beasts produced after chewing and processing their virus-riddled limbs

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ember storm
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do you guys know about sans

chrome fog
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From Earthbound, right?

ember storm
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no from homestuck

warm gazelle
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no

chrome fog
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My favorite Toa

chrome fog
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Wait Waltz do you know if Toby Fox did the Halloween hack before or after using megalovania for Vriska in homestuck?

next bobcat
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Iā€™m not entirely sure if you guys are joking or being serious and it scares me

trim grotto
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That's where it began.

next bobcat
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Sans=ness

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question: what's the story behind Traveller's Chosen?

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Was murmur a weapon of sorrow

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trim grotto
# desert tree question: what's the story behind Traveller's Chosen?

The gun itself, as opposed to the attached lore tab? Not much. The original sidearm was simply a city issue sidearm to Guardians. After it was damaged during the Red War, its apparently been repaired by Light. Whether that was from a Guardian or the Traveler is unclear.

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Another question - there isnā€™t much lore surrounding the first curse is there

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From what I understand itā€™s just a tex hc produced around the same time tlw was

fresh zephyr
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humanity advanced enough to create a gun that shoots mini black holes

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thats, at minimum, Type II civilization on the Kardashev scale

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how do you lose

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fresh zephyr
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mara sov melee'd one

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join pve 6 for vog

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And that its immense paracausal power decimated planets with natural disasters and plagues and shit

fresh zephyr
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mara sovs hands>literal black holes?

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fresh zephyr
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must be a titan

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that pleases me

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Not sure what point youā€™re trying to make

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exactly what i said

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we also dont know the specifics of how we lost

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I mean, we kinda do

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As I said, a great deal of plagues and natural disasters and shit

fresh zephyr
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we get those all the time

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Titan was stretched and had its entire ocean dropped back on itself

fresh zephyr
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thats what they get for not wearing masks, i guess

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how immense was it

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that america advanced so far they began making guns that shoot literal black holes

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couldnt handle

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The fall isn't quick. It happens over weeks and months: cataclysmic disasters, natural and unnatural, flattening human settlements on every planet || that I have made, I have shaped, my work, laid flat ||. Earthquakes. Tidal waves. Solar flares. Cyclones, sinkholes, exploding lakes, wildfires. Unknown, untreatable plagues raze populations in hours. Water goes black with unknown poisons || forced down my throat ||. The ground opens up and swallows entire cities || and I am sick sick sick ||.

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all things we deal with perfectly fine

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exploding lakes

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wtf

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It quite literally did not matter what level of military might humanity had

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The Black Fleet outstripped us entirely

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chilling on lake superior and it just fucking explodes

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we're doomed for sure

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Earthquakes. california and japan

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same as above and coastal cities

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fresh zephyr
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cyclones, florida. sinkholes, florida, wildfires, california every summer

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You can stop now

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Because clearly youā€™re arguing just to argue and not actually engaging

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https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/asher-observation

We could not even touch the Pyramids.

Asher: Observation ā€” Entry ā€” Ishtar Collective

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Man of science though he was, the first thing Asher Mir did was shoot the damned thing.
The Pyramid hovered inside Io's atmosphere, close enough to be impacted by a projectile flung at sufficient speed. In the time it took Asher to blink twice, he knew the angle of attack and the mass of the projectile.
Asher finished building the mounted rail...

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im speculating

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someone forgot to tell ana bray

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She calls for radar data, a map of Titan's surface. And then she sees it.

Her moon is squashing.

Titan is deforming from a spheroid into an egg. Something out there is pulling on Titanā€”a hand with a force greater than Saturn's entire mass. And the moon is answering the only way it can, by bulging outward: already fifteen meters, still growing.

The pull will cause strain, tremors, tides. And when that pull lets go, there will be a wave to make Ziusudra and Atrahasis and Noah and Manu and Deucalion cower in fear. Bergelmir might have navigated a deluge of blood, but not even he had to sail on liquid methane.

Nor reckon with the apocalyptic tidal forces of a second ocean, fourteen times as vast as Earth's oceans combined, buried 50 kilometers below the surface.```
The Pyramids could control gravity itself.
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It wasn't simply natural disasters

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so could we

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graviton lance

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otherwise how else does it "shoot black holes"

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And the argument is a moot point either way, as we did lose.

fresh zephyr
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because once you could do it on any scale, you can do it on any scale

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The Black Fleet flawlessly defeated species far more advanced than us, both on a technological and paracausal scale.

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Conventional weaponry, even that of black holes, is not useful.

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They require a paracausal attack.

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We simply did not have that.

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That's why Mara was able to succeed where Golden Age humanity did not.

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And even then, Mara could only destroy the one. It wasnā€™t a sustainable thing

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And she died, too.

fresh zephyr
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creating a black hole means spacetime manipulation

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See what I mean about arguing instead of engaging?

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You are focusing too much on Graviton Lance

fresh zephyr
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speculating

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Itā€™s irrelevant

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its lore relevant

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It doesnā€™t mean what you think it means, clearly

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i talk about things i like

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dont you?

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fresh zephyr
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who wins, madara or goku

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fresh zephyr
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you dont do that?

trim grotto
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No.

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I don't even know who ot what madara is.
I don't care to, mind.

fresh zephyr
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A Guardian claims this

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Iirc

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oh, well shit that explains a lot

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but why bungie add it at all then

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if not to insinuate just that

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it being void

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Because itā€™s a fun lore tab of some Guardians goofing around

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warlock melee being called pocket singularity

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all these coincidences lining up

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If Graviton Lance was meant to be some super relevant, all-powerful weapon, it would be. But itā€™s not

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which im calling rigged

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we could of had a gun that could shoot across the galaxy

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gun also creates portals

dim minnow
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but Elsie had to throw a hissy fit over her grandaddy issues

fresh zephyr
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"rips a hole through spacetime"

dim minnow
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also, if you're looking for anything on Guardians making singularities

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"I speak for myself," Savin-who-was-Chao-Mu answered. "Behold!" And he drew forth from the quantum vacuum a shrieking singularity, which he held between his hands and then telescoped down into nothing.

fresh zephyr
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see, mastery over gravity, spacetime itself

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once you do that, you win

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Clearly not

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hence the, how tf

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Because thatā€™s how this universe works

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Thatā€™s the level of power of the foes weā€™re dealing with

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This isnā€™t a thing to argue about

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Youā€™re just being stubborn about something irrelevant

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lore relevant

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No

fresh zephyr
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hive propaganda

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Graviton Lance is just one exotic gun out of many

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Itā€™s not important

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Anyways, moving on from this exhausting convo

fresh zephyr
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watch out yall, next hes gonna offer us salvation

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I ainā€™t a he

fresh zephyr
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oh shit im doomed for sure

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No. Just correct yourself and move on

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No need to make a deal of it

fresh zephyr
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do i deserve infinite punishment for a finite mistake? probably, i do now

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Dude just stop

fresh zephyr
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im joking with you because i get along with you

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if i didnt, i wouldnt be

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# fresh zephyr mara sov melee'd one

She didn't melee it - like Eris has mentioned - it took her considerable effort on her part to explode a single Pyramid ship; Eris Morn was there as well, and relayed what happened to Hidden Agent Fenchurch. After the fact, Mara and Eris concluded that it just wouldn't be feasible to attempt the destruction of the Pyramid ships; this paired with the fact that the Awoken didn't even exist in the Golden Age, and there's no possible chance that Golden Age humanity could have done anything against the Pyramids

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Additionally, Asher Mir has already done what you suggested: shooting the fucking thing

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He noticed that any shots made at the Pyramid didn't do jack squat, so he launched a missile at the Pyramid ship that arrived on Io during the Season of Arrivals with a beacon to track where it traveled; he found that the missile signal still read at the position right before impact with the Pyramid, yet it didn't even hit the pyramid. From this, he - and thus we - concluded that the Pyramids are displacing any projectile attacks made against them

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Also a tip @fresh zephyr, learn to read when someone is uncomfortable with your jokes, this ain't the first time and it's getting annoying

fresh zephyr
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opposed to you, who spends the entire time just running their mouth?

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It should be common sense that people will not want to talk with you if you annoy them, maybe you should use some

fresh zephyr
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i could just start talking shit, but youll bitch about that too, like you do about everything else

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thats you

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fresh zephyr
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whos been talking shit the most, lets compare that lore

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What I miss

fresh zephyr
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toxic people acting like theyre not

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K

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empty fern
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I know

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dawg, you spend half the time making it about the person

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why do that at all

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i dont

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i stick to the point, the topic, the lore

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CATGRIN Oooo I misgender someone and try to play it cool despite them being clearly uncomfortable with that

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im talking about you

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yeah thats what i thought

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# fresh zephyr i stick to the point, the topic, the lore

I find it incredible you accuse me about this when 1) before I pointed out your mistake, I answered reasons why Golden Age Humanity couldn't fight back against the Pyramid ships, and that it's not even possible now even with Mara's destruction of one, because even she admits that it is only a one-off and she can't do that to every single Pyramid ship lest she die, and 2) consistently you keep annoying the people answering your questions by ignoring what they say and continuing to suggest whatever you spew out your mouth is correct. If you'd like the people of this channel to have a higher regard for you, perhaps recognize when what you say is not well recieved and also read up on the lore in-game so that you can understand what we're referencing in our discussions

If you aren't to a high school reading level, tl;dr be more polite and actually listen to others instead of acting like it's them attacking you

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this dork

chrome fog
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This is a very good response to this type of conversation, yes

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Anyways

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Cowthings

fresh zephyr
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join lore channel

empty fern
fresh zephyr
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lets talk about lore shit

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"actually ur wrong"

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"ur dumb durr"

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entertain different ideas? huh?

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speculate? nah, facts only

chrome fog
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Speculate sure is interesting with characters from two different franchises

empty fern
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Whatā€™s the other franchise? (I didnā€™t read a single thing)

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Naruto and Dragonball

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fresh zephyr
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back in my day, we didnt give a shit if it was lore accurate or not. our brains evolved enough to differentiate lore and people able to think about things

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we do it because we enjoy it

chrome fog
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The rabbit embryo has more relevance to the lore than this guy has to any discussion

empty fern
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Holdon link the franchise compares thing I wanna read from there

fresh zephyr
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obviously the point was...

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Oh

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Nvm I donā€™t wanna read anymore

chrome fog
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"Speculate" like a majority of what's been asked by this guy is already answered in-game

fresh zephyr
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so?

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this is lore channel

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if someone asked me, "whats the light" you know what i do?

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i just tell them

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"whats void?"

empty fern
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Facts vs speculation?

fresh zephyr
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explains it ez no problem

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cool huh?

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Speculation would be me going crazy over the Qugu and Nezarec theory Mael introduced, it would be wondering what the Veil was prior to Lightfall release and how it related to the Winnower and/or the Witness, it'd be how the upcoming episodes being released will follow the various narratives left open by stuff we're dealing with now - Xivu Arath, Sol Divisive and the other Vex Collectives, Fikrul and him trying to uplift the Scorn into their own civilization

fresh zephyr
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go ahead?

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dont you like talking about the same things you like with other people

chrome fog
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Speculation is not refusing to listen when people say that the possibility of attacking the Pyramid ships is not plausible even with the sole individual who has destroyed one and admits herself that it is not feasible in any sense without great sacrifice that would not be worth

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But what do I know, I just talk in here too much

fresh zephyr
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thats you having a problem with it

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not me, im enjoying the conversation

chrome fog
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Anyways

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I need to find the cow thing lore tab again, I forget where it is

fresh zephyr
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not everything needs to be an argument homie

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chrome fog
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Bless, Mael, you are a savior

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empty fern
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Marl lurking the entire time

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I was going to deep dive for the entries which detail Fenchurch seeing Mara and Eris destroying a Pyramid ship as well as the consecutive CE entry which confirms it wasn't just Fenchurch making stuff up, but that guy is not worth educating

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Also the Asher Mir entry where he launches those beacon rockets

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYhmt0hgKsQ

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Ah okie dokie