📚lore-discussion

[clever nacelle]

another warmind?

[jagged badge]

The Hive God of War

Sister of Oryx and Savathûn

[ember storm]

there was only one warmind

[empty fern]

There were subminds
Named differently

[clever nacelle]

has she made an appearence?

[empty fern]

In books and witch cutscene yes

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-2-season-of-the-witch-eris-hive-god-ahamkara-gif-17608054979777715070

This is the cutscene

[chrome fog]

We’ve also had voice lines from her since Seraph, as she’s been the main threat for that Season, Season of the Deep, and Witch

[empty fern]

Oh yea those too

[chrome fog]

https://youtu.be/z_pLmLfnYkM?si=lBJMtwPOrJNEhO9X

[little gorge]

wait there's xivu lines in seraph?

[empty fern]

Ye think so

[jagged badge]

No

[empty fern]

Damn

[jagged badge]

We didn’t hear her ‘til Deep

[chrome fog]

Yah my b

[jagged badge]

Lore license revoked

[chrome fog]

I’ve never been instated anyways

Vigilante Lorehead

[little gorge]

as a season of the seraph fan, i am disappointed in you

[worldly river]

I still can't get over Saladin's absolutely half assed line delivery after Xivu's first line

"Noo..."

[worldly river]

And yeah that's why it was such an OH SHIT moment when you're there in that intro mission and then suddenly someone's shouting at you and you realize who it is

Which just makes Saladin's subsequent line delivery funnier

[chrome fog]

I do not care

(But also my b!!!!!! I was gonna justify my mistake with it being the first time Xivu was presented a threat but then I remembered that was the whole point of Hunt and just didn’t type anything)

[little gorge]

yeah that was amazing

[little gorge]

[analog inlet]

so what could the "new darkness released" be? and what happens when the "witness" is no longer powerful

[trim grotto]

Could you clarify what you mean by "new Darkness released"?
As for the Witness, well, I imagine the Darkness will become free from its corruption and hold.

[analog inlet]

the leaks

[jagged badge]

Dude

[trim grotto]

Fuck yourself

[analog inlet]

unsent

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Shitty thing to do, c’mon

[analog inlet]

bro i forgot

im sorry

[trim grotto]

Go away

[jagged badge]

Forgot decency?

[analog inlet]

i forgot the rule, apologies

please dont be so hard on me guys, i barely talk here

[trim grotto]

Rules or not that's a shit thing to do

[analog inlet]

it won't happen again

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i thought people knew cuz lucky made a video on it

lmao

and it got views

[jagged badge]

I don’t watch leaks

[analog inlet]

i thought yall saw

[jagged badge]

And we don’t discuss leaks

It’s common decency

[analog inlet]

fair enough

[analog inlet]

"common decency" bro, calm down

i just aplogized

[severe meadow]

this is an appropriate response

[jagged badge]

Sis*
And no

[analog inlet]

fine, stay mad

sis

🙂

[jagged badge]

Our response is warranted

[analog inlet]

and to the rest of yall, im sorry, ill remember to not ever talk about leak

sorry to offend anyone, or disturb or just have even the slightest negative effect on anyone's mood

even tho i unsent it, i cant really undo the reading part to whoever who read it

but for what it's worth, apologies

[analog inlet]

thankyou

[severe meadow]

huh what

shoo go away

[analog inlet]

no for pointing that out

ouch

yall got mad actual mad

chill out fam

[jagged badge]

[empty fern]

What I miss

[analog inlet]

i talked abt a leak, unsent it

[jagged badge]

Inconsiderate person being inconsiderate

[analog inlet]

and got bashed for it

[empty fern]

Bozo

[analog inlet]

i aplogized already sis

[jagged badge]

Okay

Doesn’t mean I have to accept it

[analog inlet]

but yall aren't being good either

[empty fern]

No rice I’m not going back to gator

[empty fern]

That’s just how this eris is

[analog inlet]

give someone a second chance after they actually fucking meant what they said when they apologized

genuinely speaking

to me personally, leaks dont effect me in any way, so i didn't take into consideration how others might be affected, im just a human, it was a leak, i forgot, a mistake was made

[severe meadow]

broski

u gud

[analog inlet]

i genuinely feel bad bro

like idk man destiny 2 is like my favorite favorite game

and i didnt know

i just forgot

i havnt even played the damn game for almost 2 years now, i absolutely fan boy about it

i keep up to date abt lore, leaks anything, life's been extremely tough and kind of expensive (uni tuitions and shit) so i havnt been playing the game at alllll
anyways ill stop yapping, yes very womp womp of me

yall have a good day

[chrome fog]

Sorry you got exploded but it is something to reasonably be angry about; but I hope you have a good one and bring up any lore questions you might have

[chrome fog]

Wait how does Rice have an emote of one of your old pfps what

[analog inlet]

it was my mistake

[empty fern]

Florida

[chrome fog]

What do you

Huh???!!?

I’m Floridian too what does

Is there a state server?

That’d be sick

[empty fern]

Nope

Just rice stuff

[severe meadow]

It is a nickname

but if it bothers you pls tell me

[empty fern]

I won’t

[grand jungle]

When cayde said his coming home ace was he talking about his gun or did hv a kid?

[trim grotto]

A kid.
Well, sort of.

Cayde's journal has stayed with him his entire life. All his lives, even prior to being a Guardian.

In it, he wrote of his Queen and his Ace. A lover and a child. But Cayde-6 doesn't remember them. Regardless, he... attached himself to the idea of them. Of who they were to him.

And by that idea, this pseudo relationship, he defined who he wanted to be.

That life with his Queen and his Ace was from when he was a Human in the Golden Age. Untold centuries ago. Lifetimes ago.

[grand jungle]

Ooh that’s actually interesting thxs maelstrom

[ember storm]

i think you mean marl

[empty fern]

Mail*

Since mans always delivering the news

[empty fern]

Alright here’s the daily active lore question
How and when and if will spider sell the prison of elders back to the reef, he was chased off at some point after that so who’s running the prison now?

[tawdry mauve]

was spider ever running the prison?

thought he was just running the reef

[empty fern]

Thought he was selling it back to the awoken, there was a line drifter said in the warden strike

[tawdry mauve]

you sure that isnt about variks?

who was the warden for the prison up to that point iirc

[empty fern]

Maybe it was variks?

Maybe mixed drifter and variks and got spider

[tawdry mauve]

yeah no i just checked there is no mention of spider having anything to do with the prison

apart from the bounties after the prison break during forsaken

[empty fern]

Damn

[ember storm]

honestly people just overestimate the importance of the PoE and expect it to be relevant

(it's not)

[worldly river]

Tbf it has a pretty sick name for something so irrelevant

[ember storm]

lots of old things are irrelevant

[trim grotto]

The idea was that Drifter would put together a crew for Spider, clear out the prison, and he'd sell it back to the Awoken.
Then we unknowingly did it for Drifter in Warden of Nothing.

[empty fern]

Ah ok

See look at mail delivering

[analog inlet]

guys

drifter's kinda taken the backseat

this season

any thoughts on what's going on about "keep playing the game" as the nine told him to do?
and what does he mean by "salvation" from playing "gambit" etc and all that

what'll happen

i used to remember

but ive forgotten things now

[blazing wasp]

Name does not check out

[analog inlet]

U finna help me understand or not 😭?

[blazing wasp]

No I just wanted to be an ass

[analog inlet]

Its okay

[blazing wasp]

I'm a little rusty and I dont have a pc avaliable rn

[analog inlet]

Oh no

Prob

I still appreciate u replying

[chrome fog]

We won’t know unless there’s a Nine side story during one of the episodes they release with Final Shape, or if they do another episode after the first three around the Nine

They’ve been very silent, tho there’s alibis for them trying to make moves in Sol as their original goal is to find a way to separate themselves from the system as their entire being is dependent on sentient life existing within the Sol System

Maybe they’ll make a push to grasp Paracausality so they can achieve their goal, and then their new founded independence goes to their head and they become the threat for an Episode or Expansion who knows

[analog inlet]

as i was reading ur paragraph, i do remember that they are dependent on existence or something

and it kinda added up

what if they do become, a threat, im guessing an expansion after episodes maybe

or what if they are more of a threat than the witness himself

man, stuff like this keeps me questioning "what's next"

but thanks for your insight

[chrome fog]

Gimme a minute

;lore

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D2 Lore Resources
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• Infograph - Partial timeline at a glance
• Lore Book Guide - Spreadsheet of all lore books

[chrome fog]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/the-nine

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thanks G

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what creature was this?

[dim minnow]

we have reason to believe it is the remains of a giant Hive worm

[short badge]

i thought so

wish i got to fight one:(

[dim minnow]

though we never see ones of that size ingame, we do get to see huge Hive worms chopped and encased in Rhulk's and the Witness' pyramids

[lost abyss]

Isn't Xita of similar size?

[trim grotto]

Xita is far larger.

[dim minnow]

Xita is the largest Worm we see I believe

[trim grotto]

Akka notwithstanding

[dim minnow]

though Akka could be a good contender

but we don't really get to see how large Akka really is

all we know is that the Dreadnaught was built around a piece of his corpse

[grand jungle]

Rhulk vs xivu arath?

[trim grotto]

We can't conclusively say. Not enough evidence or context.

Which goes for most [BLANK] vs [BLANK] scenarios

[dim minnow]

we would need to make a lot of assumptions that can go either way depending on how their abilities work

like would Xivu's presence overwhelm Rhulk and make him Wrathborn?

can Pervading Darkness affect Xivu Arath?

Pervading Darkness does seem to harm Cabal enemies (I've seen a psion die to it during the Tormentor boss fight in the Veil room)

but you know, gameplay vs lore

[sick yew]

Randal

[sinful pivot]

isnt the one in Vow bigger

[trim grotto]

That would be Xita

[sinful pivot]

ah

[analog inlet]

how were engrams made?

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/transcripts/ghost-scan-core-terminus-mars-2

[analog inlet]

oh so, clovis bray

i wonder what's next for his giant head

[trim grotto]

Willa Bray.

His granddaughter, sister of Ana and Elsie.

And Alton, who nobody remembers.

[fiery copper]

Mans biggest accomplishment was having part of a patrol zone named after him

[chrome fog]

Another technicality, the Big Head is more so a snapshot of who Clovis was, it is more so good at affecting his mannerisms at the time of mindscan; real clovis takes care of all your exotic catalysts

[empty fern]

Banshee really be bansheeing sometimes

[uncut thorn]

.

[analog inlet]

will we see lightning mcqueen in the final shape

thoughts?

[analog inlet]

whos Alton

i think i just prove ur point

[jagged badge]

Alton Towers

The beloved UK amusement park

[analog inlet]

eris

is the best

of the best

she did what no one could ever

W eris

https://tenor.com/view/eris-morn-stasis-beyond-light-darkness-tsfnami-gif-19025368

look at this shit, LIT

[jagged badge]

I mean that gif isn’t exactly a display of anything lmao

That glacier wall is Drifter’s

[analog inlet]

i mean the hand twist rock thing

either ways, she's badass

[tawdry mauve]

did you just take that from destinypedia

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/fushigi-magic-ball-balls-tricky-gif-16182747

[short badge]

what is this?

Also where does this fight take place?

This is the only part of the raid I’m doing so idk anything

[ember storm]

well the point of the raid is killing crota

and you can only kill important hive in their throne world, where their soul survives after death in the regular world

and the big ball in the sky explodes and is called “oversoul” when it kills you

[severe meadow]

[analog inlet]

no, discord gif

[trim grotto]

His grandson. Elsie, Ana, and Willa's brother.

[dim minnow]

1. The big broken spherical thing is called an Oversoul

Oryx brandished his sword. “Speak the Royal Tongue, or I’ll pin you up for Eir to eat.”

“If we can separate our deaths from ourselves, and hide them, we will be hard to kill.”

this excerpt above basically explains their purpose/what they are

2. The Crota's End raid from the end of the first encounter takes place in Crota's Throne World

[jagged badge]

“Speak the Royal Tongue” aka, Oryx is insecure about his daughters being smarter than him and saying things he doesn’t understand

[dim minnow]

Throne Worlds are domains within the Ascendant Plane shaped by powerful beings

in order to kill Crota for good we have to kill him in his Throne World

same thing aplied to Oryx

should note that Oryx's Throne World was stuffed inside of the Dreadnaught, so that is why simply killing Oryx in the Dreadnaught was enough

[celest locust]

Is the Sparrow "Always On Time" still the fastest Sparrow (Ping or Dm)

[trim grotto]

Firstly, this is lore, not #❓destiny-questions. Secondly, no, they're all the same top speed. However, it does still have reduced enemy thread and more boost charge.

[celest locust]

mb forgot to check the channel name before posting

thank for answering my question tho

[analog inlet]

XD

[empty fern]

Daily lore question
Why was eris seen as the omen of bad things

[jagged badge]

Probably because that was kinda her deal for a while

She came back and started warning people about Crota. Then she started warning people about Oryx. And then she disappeared in the Red War, only to finally come back and immediately start warning about the Pyramids

Basically, because of her nature of preparing for these future threats, it just gives a general impression that when she shows up, she’s about to say some wild shit

[empty fern]

Cool

[ember storm]

I say this in the nicest way possible but she was literally a creepy witch hunched over in the corner constantly spouting about her magic rock that whispers to her

[chrome fog]

Also her association with Hive stuff would put off New Lights, though she's not totally as bad as Umun'Arath was

[jagged badge]

FINGERTIPS ON THE SURFACE OF MY MIIIND

[still bay]

does crota ever actually say anything?

[empty fern]

Yea,

During his soul mission you can hear him faintly

[jagged badge]

I can’t hear anything from that

[empty fern]

Listen to him again

[ember storm]

sorry I can’t psychically osmose the things you experienced when you took a picture

[analog inlet]

real

[empty fern]

Try harder

[exotic cloak]

Is probably a stupid question but was Savathun using all her power in WQ final battle?

Because, I know our character killed gods and entities of enormous power but they were weakened but Savathun

She is just weak and we managed to kill a god or...?

[empty fern]

She uhhh

I guess she let us?

[dim minnow]

I think it was because we shattered her focus/resolve

if I'm correct, at first during the fight we weren't able to do much damage to her until we revealed the truth about the creation of the Hive

[empty fern]

We flabbergasted her to death

[chrome fog]

Also note that she was significantly weaker than her Hive God form when she became a Lightbearer, as she no longer had access to all of her tithe

To key into the tithe-Ascendent Power system, you need a worm, which Season of the Lost was all about removing Savathun’s worm as it had gotten too greedy from the amount of imbaru tithe Sav provided it cosplaying in Osiris’ body

Also the the centuries/millennia of tithe she had accrued

[exotic cloak]

So basically we didn't killed a god and that "god" was weakened

[shadow crypt]

any lore behind this thing near xur or is it just a thing in the game

[desert tree]

2 questions

1. Do civies of the last city come and watch crucible matches like it’s a sporting event?
2. If question 1 is true, do gunsmith companies sponsor guardians in the crucible if they make a big enough name for themselves? As in give them custom guns and armor?

[trim grotto]

Ghost: Hezen Protective. But I thought they were only deployed on Venus. Does this mean different Vex units have started traveling through gates? That's… not great.
Keep in mind this scan was from the Red War, years ago

[trim grotto]

Yes, and funny you should mention that

One sec

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/ghost-fragment-the-city-age-2

[shadow crypt]

Ah I see

[trim grotto]

Anyway they could sponsor a Guardian if they wanted to, I'm sure
As long as they didn't push their boundaries

[shadow crypt]

Thanks for the insight

[desert tree]

Asking because I want to make a fan-comic about a fireteam, and one of them are good enough to the point that Halle started sponsoring them
Just trying to figure out what Hand cannon they would use. I feel like they would use something that is good on its own, but needs some serious skill to get the full use out of

[trim grotto]

Hakke is known for function over form. Their guns are simple but viciously efficient.
As a result, half of them are bricks of guns. As an example...

Pure Poetry. One of the Vanguard weapons, but it's a Hakke design. Huge, bulky, break-action.

They're not all break-action, mind you

Let's see if this will embed

No, fine, I'll download the damn picture

[jagged badge]

That’s so funny ngl

[dim minnow]

which is why their armor department should never cook again

doesn't matter how reliable it is in lore, if it doesn't look good ingame, no one is gonna care

[jagged badge]

Deep Explorer sets absolutely slap though

[empty fern]

Do we know what the whispers in the Europa stasis alter (at beyond) is saying? (Forgot it’s old name)

[dim minnow]

I believe its called the Ziggurat

and I don't know for sure if we have an actual transcription on the whispers

[empty fern]

F

[trim grotto]

It works for me

[trim grotto]

There isn't
Darkness whispers have been around since vanilla

They aren't actually words (despite what many claim to hear)

[jagged badge]

Nuh uh, I can hear them

Those whispers are trying to tell people about the 16th Wish

Trust

[outer dragon]

Deep explorer mark is my jam on more futuristic looks. And I'm not just saying that because it has a big H right in the front

[empty fern]

Hmmm

[outer dragon]

I mean, thats a good side benefit

[empty fern]

What is Belenus?

[trim grotto]

A... fire god?

What's the context here

[ember storm]

hello nerds

[empty fern]

(Ornaments for lion ramparts and another that’s titan exotic chest)

Think hallowfire

[trim grotto]

Fire god.

[empty fern]

Cool

[ember storm]

this is like the time someone asked why Prometheus lens was named Prometheus

it was a funny conversation

[empty fern]

Arcturus?

[willow flax]

beleneus boosters for rampart

[empty fern]

Yea, same theme, so same person?

[jagged badge]

The serpentine from Ninjago??

[empty fern]

I am that old but no

[jagged badge]

Can’t believe Lego never made a minifigure for General Arcturus

😔

[empty fern]

Wait is cuirass lore just a guardian and a cabal talking about the one time the cabal saw someone use thundercrash?

[trim grotto]

Aah... no. Not quite.

[ember storm]

pretty sure it’s part of a trilogy of lore tabs where the cabal saves the guardian from death but the vanguard rescue squad kills the cabal during extraction

[dim minnow]

I believe Curiass was one part of a three-part story

[trim grotto]

waltz

[ember storm]

it’s a fun story

[dim minnow]

the other two parts were in the other two exotic armor pieces released during that season

[empty fern]

Downer

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/mantle-of-battle-harmony
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/cuirass-of-the-falling-star
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/omnioculus

Posted in order

[empty fern]

Damn

Just finished reading, quite sad, Vargessus shall be missed

[ember storm]

not the first or last cabal ally to be shot for no reason

[empty fern]

Where are the others?

On a happier note, phoenix protocol lore is funny

[ember storm]

replay the first WQ mission to commit treason to your hearts content

[empty fern]

Aren’t those cabal going against caitls marching orders?

In the psion room

[ember storm]

nope

[empty fern]

Damn

[ember storm]

opening of WQ is a crew under her direct orders

[empty fern]

I see

Reclaim mars and shoot savvy ship I guess

[hardy anvil]

What's up with Drifter's unique taste in food?

[trim grotto]

He starved to death over and over and over and over and over again in the Dark Age

[hardy anvil]

[trim grotto]

developed a bit of a complex

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/cciLt_d3Lo4?si=O_tkKkli6Sou_eRi

This is real dialogue from a real mission but with a fanmade cutscene. Enjoy.

[hardy anvil]

That fan animation was genuinely impressive

[trim grotto]

That town was where he used a name you may have heard him called by - Germaine.

And that Iron Lord, Lord Dryden...

[hardy anvil]

Germaine?

[trim grotto]

Germaine. Drifter has had many names.

Drifter sought out the Darkhorse of the Iron Lords. The one who took it upon himself to punish those who broke their Iron Decree.

Lord Felwinter.

[versed orbit]

Drifter owned a bar too back in the day

[trim grotto]

And Drifter pointed Lord Felwinter at Lord Dryden, who used the village of Eaton as a staging ground for an ambush... and caused it to burn to the ground.

[ember storm]

such as “sad rat man who lives in basement”

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/dogma#book-a-man-with-no-name

As for Drifter's... eating habits. Well, this is also relevant.

[hardy anvil]

That was funny to read

[trim grotto]

Yeah, he never trusted his Ghost. Still doesn't.

[inner mauve]

what happened to the farm

[trim grotto]

Got bombed out a bit, but not much else.

[chrome fog]

Yes, though she was a very masterful wielder of the Light for someone who was rezzed less than a year ago; then again look at the Guardian

[ember storm]

time between the end of Lost and the start of WQ was a week or two

[gentle geyser]

The classes learning how to use their supers effectively in just 5 minutes of being alive:

[chrome fog]

Yeah got dam she got insta-super regen across multiple subclasses

[keen obsidian]

What are ogres made of

[trim grotto]

Hive, likely Thralls, that were experimented on and bloated with rituals and magic.

[ember storm]

smiles and love

[empty fern]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-ogre-taken-gif-27668488

Angy

[gentle geyser]

How do the scorn without heads see?

[empty fern]

Turtle magic

[trim grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/good-question-meme-shrek-gif-16886109

[heady monolith]

this reminds me a crow lore entry where he questions how orges can see when they use their eyeball to shoot at us

[dim minnow]

then it states that he died after saying that

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/hive-boss-culling-void?highlight=crow+see

"If it shoots from its eyes, how the hell does it see?" —Crow, moments before his 14th death

[heady monolith]

he just like me fr

[chrome fog]

So real

[jagged badge]

[shadow crypt]

What’s the y-goblet?

[chrome fog]

From what I could gather, it's a goblet through which Psions honored their ancestors as well as gave offerings

I'm pulling from Destinypedia but thankfully the part which covers the Y-goblet has numerous entries to reference, particularly the lore book Confessions

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-confessions

Specifically, the first paragraph of each entry begins with an offering to the y-goblet in order to pass that offering to one's ancestors for use in the afterlife

The subtitle History does a short rundown on what the practices suggest, though from brief scrolling through the ishtar entries, this is itself an assumption made by Destinypedia
https://www.destinypedia.com/Psion#History

[shadow crypt]

o

thanks for the insight 👍

[chrome fog]

Welcome! Actually really glad d-pedia came through with this one because it's such a simple but intriguing portion of Psion culture, especially considering the Y-goblet faith almost parallels Filipino mythology prior to the missionaries of Spain influencing the region

[exotic cloak]

What's important to know about nezarec? I'm playing lightfall post-campaing and they are mentioning them every time and I'm very confused

[willow flax]

would outbreak be any stronger lorewise if it wasnt a useable weapon in the gam

[empty fern]

Lore wise it be about as strong as, I guess any siva splicer weapon?

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-rise-of-iron-gaming-gif-6027234

Like the siva clouds in this scene

But not like them cause they weren’t programmed to do what the siva clouds did

[chrome fog]

Basically he’s another powerful big bad and you kill him in Lightfall’s raid, Root of Nightmares

He was the one the Lunar Pyramid belonged to, he also has (reportedly) great power over Light and Darkness (though we never get to really see the full extent of this as his boss battle in Root of Nightmares is him in a just grown body)
Going back to that first bit, he has extreme psychic powers which he almost exclusively uses to torment others

[desert tree]

Lore question: how do Ghosts get their shells? do they just come out of the Traveller with a shell or do they pick up pieces of scrap and use that as their shell until their Guardian gives them a better one?

[trim grotto]

The default shell is the one they just had then they first were created.

Any other shells are generally created for them

[desert tree]

hm. I wonder if the citizens of the last city have a festival or something where they make ghost shells for those who had their's shells damaged or just want a new shell

[trim grotto]

None that I'm aware of. They're usually done on more individual bases.

[analog inlet]

so, the old tower, ig we will only be seeing it in the traveler?

[trim grotto]

If by seeing you mean interacting with, as far as we know, yes.
But we can see the D1 Tower from the modern "Tower", such as it is.

[analog inlet]

i mean will we ever be getting back that tower

and be on it, like D1

[trim grotto]

Well, it's under repair. Though, it has been for years.

If we do, it'll be after the events of Final Shape.

[inner mauve]

are saint 14 and osiris a couple

[jagged badge]

Aye

[ember storm]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2gay-kiss-gif-27172921

[blazing wasp]

I don't know why but I cannot stop seeing this and thinking "hop on destiny"

Like those fucking gif memes

[jagged badge]

Hop on Fortnite

[ember storm]

hop on kirby's return to dreamland deluxe merry magololand checkerboard chase high speed intense

[jagged badge]

Hop on Kirby’s Epic Yarn

The only Kirby game I’ve played

[ember storm]

i pity you

[chrome fog]

It is a good game tho, Return to Dreamland is also good

Also going back to the Tower discussion, there are small adjustments to highways and roads which take maybe even a decade to complete, so I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the og Tower to be taking so long to get fully repaired

There has got to be three construction companies who were hired to work on it, and twenty or so different concepts of what to do with the space left after the Tower’s destruction

[versed orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-among-us-gif-25268864

[still bay]

did savathun go inside osiris or smth

[broken zephyr]

Savathun possessed Osiris after she found him “Lost and Lightless” after the incident with the High Celebrant on the Moon, so kinda?

[blazing wasp]

Would you call using a computer being "inside it"?

[broken zephyr]

yes

I am the mouse

[ember storm]

she was physically inside of his skin

at the time of Lost when she revealed herself was the only time Osiris was “absent”

[blazing wasp]

oh

[exotic cloak]

At the end the spider sold the prison of elders to the awoken? I just did the Warden Of Nothing strike and there was this dialogue talking about that

[midnight nebula]

[chrome fog]

Nothing really came of it, there have been no updates to the status of the Prison of Elders considering the massive break-out and consistent escapees which had to be put down by wandering Guardians on the Reef

[midnight nebula]

Bai catte

Gn lads

[trim grotto]

Pretty much.

[clear knot]

Oh lore nerds, please indulge me

Are taken the Witness's army?

[trim grotto]

Well, the Witness was commanding them. Now they're aimless, as the Witness has abandoned them.

[exotic cloak]

That's a shame, thanks for the clarification

Would be cool a scenario were they didn't bought it and the Drifter now uses it for its gambit

[empty fern]

Gotta wonder what kind of energy drifter is handling, that he had to make the taken thingy to contain it

[ember storm]

he’s handling taken energy

hope that helps

[empty fern]

It

Might

[tough hollow]

hence why malfeasance uses taken energy he and us built the HC together iirc?

[lethal inlet]

season of the wish logo look like Sikhism (khalistan) logo for religion, anyone know ?

its just upsidedown

[broken zephyr]

I highly doubt there's any correlation there

[lethal inlet]

i just tought there might be similar bacground story somwhere

how many egg was in the story ?

[dim minnow]

let's see

1 from Imbaru Engine

then I think there was one for each week of the seasonal story

that's like what 6?

5?

[lethal inlet]

i thought theres similarity about how the story begin

one of the Guru from Sikh religion had 6 kids

what if ???
one of the developer is indian sikh, and planted those symbol and input some of sikh history in it ?

[trim grotto]

If you're suggesting a connection, then no.

[jagged badge]

Destiny certainly has religious influences in some of its lore

But this ain’t one of them

Those symbols are only incredibly vaguely similar

[empty fern]

Alright it’s that time again
Daily lore question
Who is Mraskilaasan (lord of wolves lore end)

[ember storm]

Probably just a form of Mithrax if I had to guess

[empty fern]

Neat

That concludes daily lore activity

[ember storm]

the captain in the lore tab is literally just Mithrax so

[trim grotto]

The Gentle Weavers. The House that became the House of Wolves.

Mraskilaasan. Gentle weavers.

[chrome fog]

I'd actually be interested to hear how the original story went, see if there's any parallels aside from kids and the symbol similarity

[pure tree]

so, Mithrax's mother was called the kell of wolves, but also only controlled one ship. Do we know whether she was the original kell of weavers and lost contact with the rest of her house during the whirlwind and the long drift, or if her ketch thought they were the only survivors of the house of weavers and made her kell as she was the leader of that group?

[chrome fog]

The House of Wolves were extensive enough that we've spent a whole expansion with the same titular name wiping out the house after its then Kell Skolas declared independence from Mara's service and the House rebelled across the Reef, so it doesn't seem likely that they were limited to only one Ketch

As for if she was the original Kell of Wolves who fled the Whirlwind, we don't know for sure. Eramis and Variks could suggest that yes, Inaaks could have been the original Kell from before the Whirlwind (we'd be damned if we knew the first Kell of the Gentle Weavers as we barely have any information on Riis' culture prior to the Whirlwind) however there's nothing to really confirm nor deny that claim. She could have easily just have been the most recently appointed Kell of Wolves during the Long Drift

[pure tree]

also, we know that riis was devastated by the whirlwind, but not like, kabloomy'd, did any lore books tell us the fate of the eliksni colonies if any actually survived the whirlwind and the hive or is that not been revealed yet?

or do we already know that all the pre whirlwind colonies were similarly devastated by the hive and that any eliksni presence left in their home system and neighboring systems is resettled later?

[chrome fog]

It is kabloomy'd to the extent that it would not be worth the effort to return

Consider that the Hive and the Witness' forces have wiped out entire civilizations, so either of which's visitation upon the planet would essentially doom it

[trim grotto]

There also isn't any definitive evidence that the Hive were actually involved, merely light implication.

The Hive have not been mentioned or implied to be involved with the Whirlwind since Taken King

[chrome fog]

The only evidence is only the fact that Chelchis - Kell of Stone - is mentioned in the name of one of the Kingsfall weapons, right?

[trim grotto]

Pretty much

[chrome fog]

And also that his perspective is given for how it's like to be Taken, aside from Quria

I think

[trim grotto]

Taken? No.

[chrome fog]

Or I might be getting it mixed with Quria and their simulation of Aurash

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/broken-crown
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/items/doom-of-chelchis-5
The implications, respectively

[chrome fog]

Ye aight, literally just Chelchis, Chad of Chads, the Kell of Stone, facing off against Oryx/the Witness/whatever the Maw is referencing whilst the Eliksni escape

Oh I wonder how Ishtar's going about with weapons pulled from D1 expansions into D2, Doom of Chelchis just has this banner but I imagine it's awkward to source both directly from the API

[pure tree]

do we know what the hive does to worlds they conquer?

like do they colonize and settle it and that they have a string of worlds under their control from fundament to sol, or do they just wipe out whoever lives there and move on?

[sick yew]

They might do all sorts of stuff with em
Just settle there as a base for breeding more worms or do experiments

Maybe theyll turn it into a warmoon

[chrome fog]

Maybe just explode them

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick yew]

Also an option

[chrome fog]

For sure they kill any native life on the planet, the Book of Sorrows insinuates as much with how many civilizations blessed by the Traveler they have wholesale slaughtered

Plus the infectious nature of which they grow their structures, which is sure to compete with native life

At least I think it’s infectious, there are enough moments where Hive-grown structured prove themselves to be an issue - a good example being the room with Cayde trying to press all the buttons and the Guardian has to unclog the tech panel things of Hive growths

[smoky rose]

God Warmoons are such a cool aspect of destiny that Bungie has literally never used in the game

[sick yew]

I mean yeah their scale would only really make sense in an expansion

[next bobcat]

||do we have to use spoiler marks here?||

[blazing wasp]

No

You did read the rules, didn't ya?

We got spoiler chats upon releases of dlc for a short period

[next bobcat]

Ok

Are leaks spoilers?

[blazing wasp]

No, they're outright not allowed

As per the rules

[next bobcat]

Ok

[trim grotto]

[next bobcat]

Can I ask, are the in-game rose and thorn replicas?

And is lumina real?

[trim grotto]

Yes, yes, and yes

Well, sort of. I'll elaborate.

The Thorn we use in D2 is one that we produced ourselves. We made it, cursed it, and wield it. It is a controlled, harnessed version of the original Light-engulfing Thorn.

One day, we found the actual Thorn. A burnt out blackened husk of what it once was. We began to work on it, cleansing it of corruption, eventually reverting it back into Rose. From there, we blessed it, and turned it into Lumina.

Lumina is the actual real Thorn, purified.

Any Rose that we use now, therefore, is a replica of the original, which is now Lumina.

[next bobcat]

Ok, that all makes sense. Do you believe that necrochasm is the form the inferno (dredgen yor’s auto rifle) took?

[trim grotto]

No, I don't.
It is said the Necrochasm was born in the twilight after Crota’s sword first cracked the Moon. That a lost Guardian’s weapon was altered by the Hive in an attempt to fuse their own dark understanding with humanity’s mastery of war.
Rose's transformation into Thorn began prior to the Great Disaster, for starters. Secondly, if the story is true, then this weapon was that from a Guardian killed during the aformentioned Great Disaster, and stolen by the Hive. Enkaar, the Anointed, the very same Hive weapon master who tried to create another Weapon of Sorrow back in the Season of the Forge.

[next bobcat]

Alright. So with the weapons of sorrow, were they all made from old weapons? What happened to inferno? Does lumina have a trio like thorn?

[trim grotto]

Weapons of Sorrow are, by their vague-yet-specific definition, human weapons transformed by the Hive.
We do not know what happened to the Inferno. Rezyl Azzir abandoned it on the Moon during his battle that eventually led to his corruption.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "trio"

[next bobcat]

Sorry I meant like how there’s 3 weapons of sorrow, is there a group with lumina in it?

[trim grotto]

The colloquial is "Weapons of Hope" but there's no official definition for this category. One could argue that the Traveler's Chosen and Hawkmoon are similar enough, though.

[trim grotto]

I decided to get a bit more in depth. Let's look at some of the individual pieces
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/legend-rezyl-azzir-the-triumphant-fall
He gave a shrug and shake, turned and hammered the stock hard into the side of one creature’s temple. Its skull splintered and the stock lodged deep in the wet, chalky mass beneath the bone. He made a fleeting effort to break the rifle free, but had to let it fall away as the rush of demons increased.
So! First, the Inferno was abandoned in that fated cave which Rezyl Azzir battled in.

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/necrochasm
It is said the Necrochasm was born in the twilight after Crota’s sword first cracked the Moon. That a lost Guardian’s weapon was altered by the Hive in an attempt to fuse their own dark understanding with humanity’s mastery of war.
If this tale is true, then Necrochasm was born in the wake of the Great Disaster.

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/necrochasm
Enkaar, the Anointed
The Necrochasm was created by Enkaar, the Anointed. The very same Hive weapon smith we defeated when we summoned Last Word to our side in that shadowed duel below the dust of the Forsaken Shore.

---

So - Rezyl lost Inferno before the Great Disaster.
Necrochasm, however - or at least Husk of the Pit - was, according to the tale, created directly following the Great Disaster, from a weapon from a lost Guardian.
Now, I'll admit, there's no hard evidence here. It could be Inferno. But given the timing, the logical conclusion is that it was most likely a completely random auto rifle from some poor lost soul, a casualty of the Great Disaster.

[next bobcat]

Ok wow. I think inferno may have been some sort of early ammit, as we see a lot of autos with that frame so it could’ve been a common weapon at the time

I’m probably wrong but just putting it out there

[trim grotto]

You're gonna have to follow up on that one

Do you have an image of Inferno's frame, or are you referring to Husk of the Pit/Necrochasm?

[next bobcat]

I’ll do some research and DM you later. I’m gonna get some sleep now

Referring to what the inferno auto rifle was

Adios

[trim grotto]

Right, but we haven't seen Inferno.

[next bobcat]

I will look through every auto

[trim grotto]

We cannot reasonably state what it may have been unless comparing Husk of the Pit/Necrochasm, which is unlikely to be the end-result of Inferno regardless
It's a shot in the dark, in other words

[empty fern]

A dark below

[chrome fog]

Interesting

[next bobcat]

Would it be connected to drifter and gambit because dredgen?

[dim minnow]

probably not

while Drifter was a part of the Shadows of Yor briefly, that group mainly used Thorn replicas

also, at this point, Drifter had left the group behind long ago

him giving out the Dredgen titles through Gambit was just a way to piss off and lure out the "edgelord" types so they can be picked off by Shin or the Praxics

[blazing wasp]

not just that, he called himself dredgen hope of all things

[next bobcat]

Weapons of hope???

Connection?

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[dim minnow]

Lumina's creation was mainly our own doing

though Shin did guide us a little bit, it was mostly us figuring it out

[next bobcat]

I’ll have the last word in this conversation.

[dim minnow]

however, there was one step in the Lumina quest that required you to do something in gambit

[empty fern]

The thorny side of lumina

[jagged badge]

[ember storm]

as the saying goes, every rose has its lumina

[chrome fog]

That was purposefully done in coordination with Shin staging the killing of essentially the vice president of the Dredgen Yor fan club; it gave new meaning to the title of Dredgen so its former meaning would be forgotten

[next bobcat]

Was that Calum all

Callum sol

[chrome fog]

Callum Sol was the one that got vaporized yes

[next bobcat]

Speaking of which, I really hate gambit is malfeasance worth it? (I’m on titan so no lucky pants)

[chrome fog]

Malfeasance I’m pretty sure has its quest take you through the Dreaming City, but I literally haven’t progressed the quest in forever because it used to be the best thrallway farm; you might find a better answer in #❓destiny-questions

[wintry wyvern]

Im about to say something spicy

Cayde gets killed by Uldren. Uldren becomes Crow and a Gaurdian

We see Cayde inside the Traveller in the Beyond Light trailer

[trim grotto]

Final Shape.

[wintry wyvern]

^ whoops

If Cayde meets Crow somehow. There will definitely be a conversation

So much for saying something spicy.

[trim grotto]

I'm not sure I'd say that was spicy, no. It's almost a given, really.

[wintry wyvern]

I froze wondering about spoiler territory.

Its a live service game so any news is pretty much late news but

[trim grotto]

When it comes to this server, there's generally no spoilers except for major releases, where a new channel is opened up. Only lasts... a week or so.

[wintry wyvern]

Yikes

Its week 10. Crows fate in the story had more ceremony than Halloway. The only real question is how will we see the story progress

[next bobcat]

I mean did you ever talk to Holliday? Like ever?

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[chrome fog]

Spicy
”Oooo what if Cayde and Crow talked because Uldren killed Cayde”

[chrome fog]

It can’t be spoiler territory because Final Shape hasn’t been released yet

[blazing wasp]

If tfs cayde is lore accurate
We're gonna have to save crows life

[chrome fog]

Mmm I don’t think so

[blazing wasp]

Lore cayde is fucking ruthless

[idle raptor]

if crow thought everyone had something against him, just he waits until he meets lore Cayde

the children yearn for lore-6 exposure 🙏

[ember storm]

Lore Cayde shot at a child in his pre-guardian life he doesn’t get to rag on anyone else’s mortal existence

[blazing wasp]

https://youtu.be/IKjxqsYhQAQ?si=9VFVpMgVSSvfEUBZ

[ember storm]

trip to belize moment

[blazing wasp]

I just realised

The entire events of mgs takes place between metal gear 3 and 4

[ember storm]

nice

[chrome fog]

Yeah because he was blind as shit not realizing the reason an intruder is small could possibly be because they're a child

He's not actively seeking children to slaughter, "Lore" Cayde is the same doofus you know but also you see the depression he's hiding behind his comedy

[blazing wasp]

he also as a guardian killed a friendly... archon i believe?

he's had multiple cases of just being rutheless

he's not evil, no

thats different

but he's not particularly shy from violence

[chrome fog]

Majority of the Guardian population committed warcrimes, just saying yall blowing it out of proportion the interaction he and Crow will have

[blazing wasp]

and sure, the archon was friendly, but still a fallen archon

[blazing wasp]

other guardians being better or worse changes nothing how cayde himself is

im not saying he'll just outright kill-kill crow

my personal theory is that he'll kill crow, realize he's a guardian, maybe slow down a bit then

[ember storm]

how is he able to shoot inches away from their head if he doesn’t see how tall they are

[blazing wasp]

assuming he isnt a cayde made entierly out of crows perception of cayde of course

given what we know about the whole thing its... possible i guess

but thats a rather far fetch from me

[chrome fog]

https://youtu.be/8HqLysSnnlQ?si=EGE3eBOhA1wsIGHe&t=79

[blazing wasp]

did

you did not

[chrome fog]

Wait I should time stamp it

[blazing wasp]

you did not just do that

please tell me you did not just do that

[ember storm]

I’m not watching that out of principle

[chrome fog]

What

[blazing wasp]

oh god you did

[jagged badge]

Am I missing something here

[chrome fog]

What do yall mean we were just citing Cayde shooting at a child

[ember storm]

also for the record my statement was literally about why I didn’t think crow and cayde would have some big epic deathmatch meeting

they’ve both made their own mistakes and I honestly don’t think bungie would open the saga’s final dlc with two characters fighting for essentially no reason

if we’re getting a more mature take on Cayde’s character he wouldn’t be pissy about being killed in a way that’s entirely his own fault

[chrome fog]

I'd think he and Crow could have a depressed chuckle about how Uldren was manipulated into killing Cayde

[ember storm]

exactly

though I wish bungie would at least establish what the deal with Ana is on her adopting her old identity

compared to crow she’s basically just pretending

[blazing wasp]

crow and cayde could definetly leave a opportunity to improve on both of the characters

[chrome fog]

Sometimes accepting a preestablished identity is easier that making a new one, that's the vibe I got from Ana trying to be the same as she was before

THat or just, discovering the same things from her old life and also enjoying them regardless of starting over

[blazing wasp]

she wouldnt have been "making" a new one if she didnt try what shes doing now

it would be her taking the identity shes been forcibly given now

[ember storm]

I mean I get she’s always called herself Ana Bray because she was rezzed with an id card on her, she always knew that

but while crow has been on a whole journey about discovering Uldren, Ana and everyone around her just decided “yes you are THE Ana bray so nothing is different now”

I don’t think Elsie and Ana have had one conversation about her being dead at one point

[chrome fog]

She has that big deal about researching about her past life in a time where it was still fairly scrutinized, essentially doing the old fashion version of what Crow went through

Which is curious that I can't recall any interaction between Ana and Crow because it feels like they'd have a lot to share; only reason I can see they don't talk to each other is because they're both so focused on Getting Stuff Done as a part of their personality that they don't really sit down and talk

[ember storm]

I mean for two years Ana’s entire character was “I am bringing Rasputin back” so

[chrome fog]

Ye exactly

[ember storm]

I just wish they did something more

[empty fern]

Don’t worry I got you

Ana
I’m bringing Rasputin back AGAIN

And this time he is blue

[wintry wyvern]

Holliday barely gets a cutscene to let you know she died. If i wasnt playing that season i wouldn’t even know who she was

[trim grotto]

Her interactions with the players generally happened before Beyond Light.

[shadow crypt]

Why does some of Mars look weird?

[trim grotto]

When Beyond Light launched, the Black Fleet stole four of our celestial bodies. Mars, Mercury, Titan, and Io. In their place was black anomalous voids that held the same gravitational pull as that which they replaced.
During this time, the Witness was scouring Mars and Titan (and probably Mercury and Io) with time rifts, possibly powered by The Relic inside The Enclave.
It was searching for evidence of The Veil, which it eventually found with the Spire of the Watcher.

The "weird" that you see are remnant time windows left over from when Savathûn, somehow, forced Mars to return to real space before the Witness was finished with it.

[shadow crypt]

o

Thanks for the insight

[meager belfry]

How did a whole race become the witness?

[trim grotto]

Ahsa explains it best

[versed orbit]

using darkness pretty much

[trim grotto]

https://youtu.be/Z0CKckjryVI?si=50CDigqVKd81lGnl

[versed orbit]

weird that this was just a random cutscene

[trim grotto]

Not too random. The entire season was building up to it.

[versed orbit]

didn't play deep

dunno too much about it other than there's a space whale

[jagged badge]

A proto-worm

Ahsa refused to become what became of the Worm Gods we know

[versed orbit]

i thought it was a leviathan

[jagged badge]

Nope

[chrome fog]

Ahsa matches conventional descriptions of Leviathan - the mythological creature - which is what people use to make a connection to the Leviathan from the origins of the Hive God siblings, as well as some wording referencing the Leviathan jailing them in-spite of some sort of connection I believe

[empty fern]

Devrim moment

[trim grotto]

Just a proto-Worm. We've never explicitly heard of a second creature like the Fundament Leviathan, and no creature matches its description.
The main connecting thread between Ahsa and the Leviathan is that they're both big, live in "water", and have (very distinct) connections to the Worm Gods.

Personally, I see no true connection.

[ember storm]

I once made a very detailed artistic rendition of Yul

perhaps this will help

[trim grotto]

This deserves to be pinned

[versed orbit]

comically small wings

[meager belfry]

huh, looks like a sea anemone

[meager belfry]

rad, thanks

[jagged badge]

Oh the misery

Everybody wants to be anemone

[meager belfry]

That's perfect

[chrome fog]

I swear, there’s some tabs from Ahsa’s perspective on the Worm Gods being betrayed by the proto-worms or something to that effect, do you recall anything like that?

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/siochains-scuba-shell

I'd venture that you're misremembering the contents of this entry

Wherein the Proto Worms are offered gifts of Darkness, and the beginnings of the Worm Gods are seen as a result.

[chrome fog]

Mmm yeah, I remember reading a lot of conflicting interpretations, that sounds about right

[clear pecan]

You guys excited for bungee to have some real bullshit way to tie everything together

At the end of the dlc cayde-6 looks at you after you’ve killed the witness and says “maybe the final shape was the friends we made along the way”

[blazing wasp]

Expecting the lore to be banger

It usually is

[trim grotto]

[jagged badge]

[blazing wasp]

destiny players will experience a single bad story and doompost for every upcoming content drop

[sick yew]

This really was your Destiny 2 Final shape (2024)

[turbid furnace]

What is the lore behind this?

[native egret]

[blazing wasp]

no

[jagged badge]

[trim grotto]

[turbid furnace]

What about this?

[jagged badge]

You can stop

[turbid furnace]

Wait i made one for nezzy yesterday

[jagged badge]

Good for you

[meager belfry]

you posted this before no? It was deemed NSFW apparently?

[jagged badge]

So you just decided to say that again

[blazing wasp]

i thought i recognised you from somewhere

[jagged badge]

[native egret]

@sick yew

[sick yew]

Whats this now

[native egret]

@sick yew

[blazing wasp]

thanks

[jagged badge]

[turbid furnace]

[sick yew]

@turbid furnace Please keep to actual lore in this channel alright? And ontop of that please do not discuss actions that have been taken such as warnings and or strikes

[turbid furnace]

👍

[jagged badge]

Anyways

[empty fern]

No anyways (this channel shall forever be dead)

[ember storm]

it’s dead until I say the magic words

[jagged badge]

“Is the Witness the Winnower”

[ember storm]

nah it’s actually “the traveler is evil”

[blazing wasp]

Is Coldheart strand

[jagged badge]

[blazing wasp]

Thanks

[ember storm]

coldheart should be solar actually

[empty fern]

Wait who is is Reed again?

[ember storm]

who is you again

[chrome fog]

Yes

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoryu-sentai-zyuranger-episode34-baby-harder-cry-gif-20875408

[jagged badge]

Member of the fireteam with Aisha and Shayura

[ember storm]

also dead yes?

[jagged badge]

Yeah

[ember storm]

I love dead titans

[fresh zephyr]

He regrets dying probs

[chrome fog]

… he died his Final Death in the opening cutscene of Lightfall’s campaign

[blazing wasp]

huh?

[fast tapir]

uhhh

[chrome fog]

His ghost was out when the Witness did it’s slicing thing, which is why Shayura and Aisha are mourning his loss in their more recent lore

Theirs weren’t which is why they were able to Rez

[blazing wasp]

oh yeah that guy

thought you were referring to the guy in deep and got real confused

[chrome fog]

That one was Joxer, also a Titan and he used to be a Gambit regular

[blazing wasp]

yea

rip my dawg fr, gambit lost a real one

[chrome fog]

He has a couple other stuff that happens, similar to the Trials trio, but otherwise yeah that’s all that’s important I believe

[fast tapir]

i cant imagine how the drifter feels after losing his only gambit player

[blazing wasp]

he still has me

[analog inlet]

guys can nyone explain what race are tormentors like what creatures are they?

[chrome fog]

They are created from some of Nezarec’s tissue and Calus’ cloning technology supposedly; all we get on the matter is Calus’ voiceline during the Lightfall campaign about them being a collaborative effort between him and the Witness

This is also supported by the fact the relics we gathered in Season of Plunder were cut up pieces of Nezarec’s body when they first entered the Sol System

https://youtu.be/nCOy-9Z1jcs?si=vrcGaVYiMUCIOqjj

Nezarec’s corpse had been housed within the Lunar Pyramid, which the Fallen came upon and realized held immense power - when we collect them in the Season we find large readings of Darkness within them, which Misraaks is able to distill into a cure to reawaken Osiris

https://youtu.be/eAIpmG9-iLs?si=o1hVYyJCxn7ZXYPa

It’s also important to note that Nezarec has multiple tombs as hinted by the Delicate Tomb seasonal exotic’s lore tab, and he is able to speak to us after his death in the Root of Nightmares raid, suggesting he is able to change corporeal vessels and his true form is incorporeal

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thats absolutely so messedup but cool

[analog inlet]

this part especially

witness was basically playing mad scientist type shit

[ember storm]

well, it's made up of the butchered remains of an entire civilization as part of a mass suicide/murder ritual

[chrome fog]

Calus was, Witness just needed stronger bodies to throw in our way

Though I guess the Taken demonstrate that it’s equally capable of fucking around with a living being’s structure to make it more effective at killing

Thought at that point they’re essentially ghouls made of Ascendent Energy vaguely in the same shape as their former body

[ember storm]

witness is literally just "we can fix you"

[chrome fog]

irreparably turns you into an eldritch mutt

[ember storm]

i do still love all the grimoire cards for the individual taken units

they literally all boil down to "here's why you're a piece of shit but now you're better so go stan this evil moth man"

[chrome fog]

There's something very funny I can say about conservatives considering all the Trans Oryx jokes

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However, rule 2

[shadow warren]

[sacred bane]

random question, but I got into D2 after Lightfall came out. Is there any content I can play that has Lakshmi-2?

haven't played in a few months

[dim minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

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Nope

[dim minnow]

why does the first result have to be the one that switches to "he knows"

[sacred bane]

darn. I just learned Avasarala's actress was in D2, and had to see which character it was

[trim grotto]

Well, thing is

[dim minnow]

that bitch dead as hell man

[sacred bane]

yeah, figured that was the case

[trim grotto]

She tried to outcast the House of Light, riled up the entire city into a frenzy, and tried to stage a coup

[trim grotto]

And then got shot by a Vex as she tried to toss the Eliksni through a Vex portal

[sacred bane]

wait, is her body lying somewhere in the game?

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She’s got a cool voice though fr

[trim grotto]

Not anymore

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It was like 3 years ago

[dim minnow]

not anymore, but you were able to see it back when it happened

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Oh my God it was 3 years ago

[sacred bane]

though for some reason I have a lot of trouble remembering how to spell Shohreh Aghdashloo

[trim grotto]

[sacred bane]

though the main reason I asked "playable content", was because I wasn't sure exactly when she died, and if she might be in an expansion that was still in the game

[dim minnow]

I remember hearing her voice in some ads for an Assassin's Creed game I think

[sacred bane]

she's in Arcane

[trim grotto]

She died in Season of the Splicer, and Seasonal content is removed at the launch of the following expansion

[sacred bane]

though I mostly know her from The Expanse

[trim grotto]

So Defiance, Deep, Witch, and Wish, will all be removed when FS drops

[dim minnow]

the Faction Leaders were hardly touched upon throughout D2

[sacred bane]

I should probably get around to playing Witch and Wish. I haven't played for some time >.>

[trim grotto]

You've got until June to experience them before they're removed

[sacred bane]

mm'kay, time to forget about them until it's too late

[clever nacelle]

has crow made any appearance?

[chrome fog]

Yes

[trim grotto]

What do you mean?

[arctic iron]

crow is with big slicey boi now

[clever nacelle]

like was he shown in any cutscene or does he stay in the abyss like xivu arath

[arctic iron]

wot abyss

he was the closing scene for the season

[clever nacelle]

da fuq

[trim grotto]

Yes, he was in this season. (Spoiler ahead) ||He was sent through the portal, into the Traveler.||

[clever nacelle]

i feel like yall telling me the witness is crow☠️

[arctic iron]

[trim grotto]

[jagged badge]

Crow has been a major character in multiple seasons since Season of the Hunt

Not to mention his past life Uldren has been around since Destiny 1

And we know basically everything about his life from lore

[clever nacelle]

i dont know anything about him

[clever nacelle]

oh he's uldren?

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Was, yes

[clever nacelle]

uldren was killed right?

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We killed Uldren in Forsaken, and later a Ghost resurrected him

[clever nacelle]

dayum

then the uldren in the final wish quest

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Guardians are born without their memories of who they were, so Crow was essentially a blank slate. He got to grow through different experiences into a different person

[clever nacelle]

is that the old uldren or crow?

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Crow

Uldren can’t come back from the dead

[clever nacelle]

true

so he doesnt know he has a sister?

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Interestingly, Crow did receive Uldren’s memories again through Savathûn, but they don’t just turn him back into his past life, as he has all these new experienced and such that shaped him differently

[clever nacelle]

oh nice

and is eris a guardian?

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He was initially incredibly ashamed of Uldren, but learned to grow and accept the good and bad. He talks fondly of certain memories of Uldren’s, and seeks the responsibility of fixing what Uldren broke

[clever nacelle]

actually

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Technically kinda? She was a Lightbearer, and thus a Guardian, but she lost her Light centuries ago in the Hellmouth. However she still defends the Last City and still calls herself Hunter so

[clever nacelle]

tell me about eris

[clever nacelle]

hellmouth?

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The Hive burrowed into the moon and created an endless sea of caverns and structures that they operate out of

Eris’ fireteam delved into the Hellmouth to attempt to assassinate Crota, but one by one they were lost

[clever nacelle]

oh

then howd she survive and whats with the 3 eyes thing

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Eris’ Ghost sacrificed herself as the Hive were tracking Eris’ Light. A Lightless Eris wished on her Ahamkara bone to discover the way out

The wish helped her, but the monkey’s paw of the wish stole her sight

So she stole the eyes of an Acolyte

[clever nacelle]

kind of similar to osiris's story

ig

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A little bit yeah

[clever nacelle]

a wierd question but do guardians not age or something?

u mentioned eris lost her light centuries ago

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Lightbearers don’t age, however I believe it’s kinda unknown whether this effect extends to Lightless Guardians

Perhaps Eris’ situation is because of Hive magic? We don’t really know

It’s also worth mentioning that humans have extended lifespans thanks to the Traveler

[chrome fog]

He’s literally introduced in a Cutscene, at the tail end of Season of Arrivals and the first one of Season of the Hunt, and one of his most important character moments was when he jumped in the way of Zavala’s assassin in Season of the Chosen, boy’s been at work

[ember storm]

crow wasn’t in arrivals whatsoever

his first ingame appearance was Hunt, you’re thinking of the seraph ending

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He appeared in a cutscene 5 years ago

[ember storm]

ingame as in actual gameplay

totally what I meant not lying to save face

[chrome fog]

We have fun here

[wheat flower]

Blind eris jumpin an ecolyte and winning

My girl

Eris is bae

[exotic cloak]

Blind Lightless Guardian vs Lethal Alien Creature probably armed, that acolyte was humiliated

And talking about you said about Lightless guardians, that means we maybe can see Osiris die in the future?

And with that, Lightless guardians are just normal humans/exo/awoken again?

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Kinda

[exotic cloak]

Okey now I have more respect for Osiris, and damn

Eris a regular human using hive magic and darkness powers

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It’s worth noting that Osiris was capable of perceiving the concentrations of the Weave like we were, yet Nimbus and the rest of the Neomuni were not. So perhaps there’s some sort of lingering effect?

Also as I said we don’t know if their ageing continues to be halted or perhaps slowed

[exotic cloak]

Yep, If it actually affects them I guess we would have to wait more years, Osiris has been Lightless just some years or...?

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He lost his Light 4 years ago, however he was impersonated by Savathûn for a whole year afterwards, and then in a coma for another year basically

[chrome fog]

It’s also important that Osiris, Eris, and Shin Malphur are the only Lightless Guardians we have any real information on; Osiris has only been Lightless for four years so we can’t really depend on his current experience to inform us on Lightless Guardians, and as Eris has mentioned, Eris practices Hive Magic which means she has a potential additional variable.

And Shin

Shin’s fucking weird

Rezzed as a baby during the Collapse/Dark Age, he grew up into adulthood and was active during Forsaken/Shadowkeep, so he could prove that Lightless guardians still retain some of that immortality but at the same time he is 1) only one single Lightless guardian, which doesn’t provide enough samples to allow us to make any substantial claims, and 2) he had only been a Lightless guardian all his life, he has never had a previous life, so he can’t be representative of Guardians who lived their own life, died, and then rezzed

[analog inlet]

thats effed up

[analog inlet]

there's so much going on

[chrome fog]

In fairness that’s the bread and butter of Destiny, having a ton of shit going on and having stuff fall into place sequentially

[analog inlet]

true

its like "you know ull have questions, but hey, they'll get answered"

ironic but also, there's no other way

im thinking too hard right now i need to stop

[chrome fog]

Realest lore moment, mind racing and you need to forcibly shut down

[jagged badge]

Nowhere near the Collapse

Shin was late Dark Age/City Age

[chrome fog]

Thanks I wasn't sure if I was just assuming Collapse from the refugees being rushed down by Eliksni

[vapid mortar]

#☀️off-topic-discussion

[trim grotto]

[shadow crypt]

The Witness is an interesting entity

[jagged badge]

I really love its design

[shadow crypt]

Yeah it’s starting to grow on me

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I genuinely hope Final Shape cements it as an interesting and terrifying villain in its own right too

Because it is a little bland currently

[shadow crypt]

I like how the witness is mysterious

Like we don’t know much

Is The Witness gonna be a raid boss?

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Yes

[shadow crypt]

If The Witness is I hope the new raid we get is long

longer then Last Wish

[fast tapir]

it HAS to be hard

but

it probably wont be

they can do some real wacky stuff with this raid

[chrome fog]

To who

[wheat flower]

probably not

we have almost never gotten a major story protagonist as a raid boss other than oryx

[trim grotto]

i'm fairly certain they outright said it will be

[wheat flower]

and oryx we only got after killing him once

[wheat flower]

ooh

[shadow crypt]

Wouldn’t feel right as a campaign boss honestly

[wheat flower]

I was unaware of that

my B

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It’s both

[shadow crypt]

I hope the raid is challenging in some type of way

[wheat flower]

did my boy calus dirty

6 years of build up

6 years

[shadow crypt]

Imo I did not like his design

[wheat flower]

for him to be a campaign boss in the most mid campaign of the game]

[jagged badge]

I think Calus was done fine in Lightfall

[trim grotto]

he wasn't really built up to be a boss
90% of his experience with us, he was a dying bag of pale flesh

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He’s a pathetic character who got a fittingly pathetic end, clawing at purpose and meaning and never finding it

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He spent all that time and energy pursuing joining the Witness. Pursuing Disciplehood. But when he got it, he was unsatisfied

The only thing that finally roused Calus in the end was getting to fight us properly like a true Cabal

[shadow crypt]

can someone what happened to rasputin again

Didn’t he sacrifice himself in Seraph or something like that?

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Correct

Eramis and Xivu sought to use his arsenal against the Last City/the Traveler

[shadow crypt]

Ah ok

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So he sacrificed himself to destroy all his WARSATs and make it so no one could use him and his arsenal against humanity

[dim minnow]

also because Rasputin knew that he couldn't just use it against them since it would make Xivu Arath stronger

[chrome fog]

We did him dirty twice before, when he was parading a robot puppet of himself and again when he tried to harness the power of the Lunar Pyramid’s Nightmares, goomba stomp the narcissist bad

[light stratus]

What is above Thrall in the hive

[dim minnow]

probably anything else

except for maybe Cursed Thrall

a Thrall will either develop into an acolyte or will be transformed into an ogre

assuming they aren't put through the torturpus process of becoming an ogre and instead grow into an acolyte, they can either develop further into a Knight or Wizard

of course there are some alternative instances like how Enkarr, a renowned Hive weaponsmith, was an acolyte

[meager belfry]

Who is the Osmium King exactly?

[trim grotto]

Proto-Hive! Now referred to as Krill due to circumstances that make me go

He was the father of the siblings Xivu, Sav, and Oryx. Or as they were at the time, Xi Ro, Sathona, and Aurash.

[meager belfry]

Oh so is that material in Savathun's throne world somehow related to them?

Something Osmium?

[trim grotto]

Proto-Hive only lived for ten years on average. Senility has claimed my lord the Osmium King. He is ten, and mad. The study of ancient text consumes him. Today he raves about moons above the storm. Tomorrow he will wander the halls, speaking to his familiar, a dead white worm from the deep sea. He keeps it in glass, and he tends to it, and he neglects the duties of a king.

The Osmium King ruled the Osmium Court, the home and kingdom of this particular group of Proto-Hive.

In other words, it's related to Fundament - or rather, that particular land on Fundament.

The Osmium King went mad, whispering to a Worm-spawn which whispered to him in return.

The same Savathûn acquired, and used to find the Worm Gods.

[meager belfry]

Wait so Proto-hive? Is there like a certain distinction between him and his daughters?

Other than lifespan?

[trim grotto]

Hive weren't Hive before the Worm parasites got involved.

They were Proto-Hive, or "Krill".

The siblings were the same, before they dived deep into the oceans and found the Worm Gods.

[meager belfry]

Thank you

[willow dagger]

What/who is he?

[blazing wasp]

The skull? The remains of a ahamkara, in simpler terms they are trickster genies, but shape-shifting dragons

[willow dagger]

Wow uke, you really are in all the chats!

[trim grotto]

That's either Huginn or Muninn. An Ahamkara pair who knew Sjur Eido. When Sjur "died", she was found with their remains.

[shadow crypt]

Is that Caiatl next to Calus?

[trim grotto]

Presumably, given the context, yes.

[shadow crypt]

Also

Where is the Leviathan now?

[trim grotto]

Go to the Moon and look up.

[shadow crypt]

Dang

I thought it left in Haunted or something

Thanks

[keen obsidian]

Who is this in the picture

[ember storm]

nobody important

at all

it's literally just an old painting in an old european town

do you know how many portraits there are in the world

[trim grotto]

We do not know.

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It’s me

[ember storm]

kind of unrelated but you know those old stories about this painting of a crying boy that people would always find untouched in burned down houses, so they started believing it was a curse

when it just turned out all the paintings were fire resistant and just fell down onto the floor before they could be burned

that and it was just an incredibly popular painting so everybody had it, and nobody was smart about fire safety back then so everybody was burning down their houses

[willow flax]

i thought all female cabal had tusks

are they grown when they get older

[chrome fog]

Mmmmm Lightfall Collector’s Edition (probably found in pins)

Dova or anyone who read the LF CE, does Caital section elaborate on the development cycle of Cabal or is there only the barracks beau part and also how males carry the baby to term?

[tropic dew]

what is "the deep"?

like the center of a planet?

where the worm gods live

[chrome fog]

The Deep is another moniker for the Witness, it was the Voice in the Darkness that for a majority of Destiny’s history has been the cause for most corruption via the Darkness

Which is important as Darkness itself isn’t inherently corruptive in nature, it was mostly just the Witness pushing its will through the Darkness that made it so corruptive in the past

Beyond Light and Lightfall further explore this with the new subclasses as both are Darkness derived and demonstrate that the Darkness is not inherently evil

[tropic dew]

okay but how are the worms god related to the witness?

and when oryx kills his worm god what happens to the others

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Wdym “his worm god”?

[tropic dew]

didnt the 3 hive gods make pacts with 3 different worms gods?

or just 1 for all 3?

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There’s more than 3 Worm Gods, and to my knowledge the Hive Gods didn’t have patron Worm Gods

[chrome fog]

The Deep title does refer to how the Worm Gods were imprisoned deep in the oceans of Fundament, they themselves being coerced and bribed into carrying out its plan to make the Hive into what they are today

[tropic dew]

didnt the hive siblings make a pact with the worm gods for power? thats why oryx was destroying worlds to feed his worm

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All Hive have a normal worm