#📚lore-discussion

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snow plover
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One more question

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Do either have a preferred subclass or just use all of them

dim minnow
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Saint I believe is known to use all three

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I know for sure he has used Striker and Sentinel

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but he is most well known for Sentinel (mainly Ward of Dawn)

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In gameplay he’s only ever used Sentinel right?

dim minnow
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and his association with the Sunbreaker order tells me that he likely uses the subclass

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Unlike, say, Zavala where we do see him alternate in game

dim minnow
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ingame

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but we do see him use Fist of Havoc in a trailer

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Season of the Risen

dim minnow
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as for Saint, he used Striker in a lover's quarrel with Osiris in the comics

outer dragon
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Saint fists

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He goes to eviscerate Caiatl with Arc

outer dragon
outer dragon
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ember storm
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it would just be a blood punch from doom where they turn to mush \

snow plover
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What about shaxx?

dim minnow
dim minnow
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but the chances of him using other subclasses isn't unlikely

snow plover
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I see

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Thanks for the info

dim minnow
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Atheon vs Jojo's Bizarre Adventure villains

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what the hell?

snow plover
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So saint more so uses sentinel but still uses other subclasses and shaxx is a mix of all light subclasses?

dim minnow
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I'd say Shaxx prefers Striker

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because I don't recall seeing him use any others

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but I doubt he wasn't familiar with the other two given his position and experience

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hmmm, I am reading about him playing frisbee catch with Saint using a Sentinel shield though

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granted the shield itself is sourced by Saint

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snow plover
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Oh

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So both use a mix of the subclasses

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But shaxx prefers striker and saint prefers void

dim minnow
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“A Ward of Dawn? Your people will freeze. A Well of Radiance is what you need. My Light will be the wall.”

“You think my Hammer of Sol wouldn’t burn bright enough to last the storm?”

“Of course it would. And you’d set this castle ablaze. Leave it to me.”```
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from Remembrance

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so it seems Shaxx definitely uses Sunbreaker

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dim minnow
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and it was after their fight

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also this suggests that Shaxx is capable of usinf Void

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which I wouldn't doubt

snow plover
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Oh ok

calm slate
dim minnow
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in the Vault though, can any of them even realistically stand a chance?

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the Aegis is really the only reason we were able to beat it in the first place

calm slate
obtuse oak
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Who was oryx?

trim grotto
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heck yeah let's get started

dim minnow
obtuse oak
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Sweet let me grab a drink and warm myself by the fire to hear this tale

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Yes but what was his role in all of it

dim minnow
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not actually sure if I'm up for explaining this time, pretty late for me

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Mael though

obtuse oak
dim minnow
trim grotto
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ah shit i actually have to go
amazing timing
But I will leave you with something before I go (and I can explain in detail in some few hours)

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The Books of Sorrow

dim minnow
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yes that

trim grotto
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okay ciao

obtuse oak
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Oh sweet. I am gonna read this.

dim minnow
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Ishtar Collective is a cammunity site that is an archive of pretty much almost all of Destiny's lore

obtuse oak
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I am really into the lore of things.

obtuse oak
dim minnow
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the Books of Sorrow are essentially the Hive's backstory

obtuse oak
obtuse oak
dim minnow
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there is some additional context added later down the line though

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like a certain detail shown to us in WQ (which I already figured a long time before)

obtuse oak
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Well I now know where to go too if I need further explanation. Sometime human interaction is needed to explain more.

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Thank you guys for helping me.

chrome fog
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Relatively, any player character can be considered 10th dimensional if you consider the “10 Spatial Dimensions” video’s interpretation of dimensions to endlessly loop unto itself, but our proxy within the fictional worlds are limited in how much they can convey our desires

But also that shit don’t matter really because once the fictional character starts referencing beyond the 4th wall and seeking to break it they are ultimately doomed to never breach it because duh the barrier of the 4th wall still exists regardless of being addressed

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Oh neat new lore person hi

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I too consume lore like mini M&Ms, welcome aboard

keen jasper
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who are the 9?

smoky rose
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Next question

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That is not a joke btw

keen jasper
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Are they above everything else or smth? Why do they have magic space games

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The Nine’s fate is tied to our solar system

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Which is why they’ve tried different things to either help Sol or become independent

ember storm
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the magic space games aren’t the nine’s, actually

shadow crypt
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Are the nine on our side or are they villains?

ember storm
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they do their own thing

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but xur sells us things at their request

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so blame them for his shitty inventory

empty fern
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Or his god sends (like ghally in d1)

dim minnow
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arctic iron
outer dragon
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100% ZA WORDOing Atheon

tender cove
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So what exactly has the Witness been doing all this time inside the Traveler while we're trying to send Crow to the other side?

gentle geyser
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Who knows

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I mean its not like we have a dlc or anything coming thats probably going to be explaining exactly that

teal tartan
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What is the current year in the game?

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teal tartan
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Its gotta be like at least 500

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Years from now

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Is that reasonable?

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The Golden Age lasted centuries and centuries, and then the span from the Collapse to now is probably roughly a millennia, though we don’t actually know that

trim grotto
# teal tartan Is that reasonable?

It's been estimated to be between 500 to 2500 years since the Collapse, which was the end of the Golden Age, already centuries long itself.

empty fern
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What’s the eye symbol on the timeswept shell ghost (season 9) suppose to be? Is it anything?

wide condor
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can I please get an TLDR what happened since the end of Lightfall campaign until the latest weekly quest progress?

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lol thanks love the visuals

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# wide condor can I please get an TLDR what happened since the end of Lightfall campaign until...

Well, we saved civilians who had been taken by the Shadow Legion. Amanda died in the process of this. In Season of the Deep, Titan returned, and so did Sloane. She revealed she had a connection to a proto-worm, Ahsa, who could have information on how to beat the Witness. We finally learn that to follow the Witness through the portal, we need SavathĂ»n. In Season of the Witch, Immaru reveals that SavathĂ»n will only be resurrected if we deal with her sister first. Eris becomes a Hive God to gain tithes. It’s not looking like it’ll be enough at first but then Eris reveals her plan. She has Immaru resurrect SavathĂ»n anyway. Then she kills SavathĂ»n and gains her latent power. She uses this power to banish Xivu from her Throne. We then discover that SavathĂ»n left us an Ahamkara egg, and that a wish is needed to follow the Witness. In Season of the Wish, the Techeuns call upon Riven’s spirit to grant this wish. Riven refuses unless we return the rest of her clutch safely after someone cast them into the Ley Lines. We also find out the wish is designed so only one person can go through the portal, however we figure that that one person can open the way from inside, allowing others to follow

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Crow volunteers for this role as he and Mara have a psychic connection that may make it easier to follow Crow

wide condor
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oh wow that was an eventful year

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Indeed

wide condor
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thanks a lot bud 🙂

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No problem

wide condor
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gonna need to google some names that i dont know who they are tho

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😄

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I can explain them

wide condor
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Immaru / xivu / techeuns / riven / ley lines 😅

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xivu i assume is the sister of savathun

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Gotcha

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Immaru is SavathĂ»n’s Ghost. As SavathĂ»n had been dead since Witch Queen, we had to bargain with him to resurrect her for the knowledge we needed

Xivu Arath is the Hive God of War and sister of Savathûn and Oryx

Techeuns, or tech witches, are Awoken who do magic shit

Riven was the last known Ahamkara. Ahamkara are wish dragons. We killed her back in Forsaken

Ley lines? I don’t quite know to explain them tbh

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I think it’s something to do with the Ascendant plane?

wide condor
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gotcha

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and what happened with mara and riven last week

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in the seasonal quest (step 44)

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i saw her getting angry as hell and osiris had to stop her

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Mara says afterwards that she wasn’t actually going to do anything, just make Riven think she would. Osiris didn’t know that though, so acted instinctively to preserve Riven as we need her

wide condor
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very childish of her

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It was a big wrench in our plan that Riven neglected to tell us about for selfish reasons

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Well, kinda selfish?

wide condor
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what was her reasons?

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She wants her clutch safe so the Ahamkara can live on

slim elk
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It was kinda an elephant in the room everyone in verse was ignoring

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Ahamkara wishes always have some sort of twist to them

wide condor
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unrelated but what are the portals in the dreaming city that transfer me to a creepy place

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that looks like the dreaming city just all... darkish

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Another plane of existence that tends to mirror parts of reality

dim minnow
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cedar cipher
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So who’s the one speaking through the ghost in the beyond light campaign I feel like the clear answer would be the witness but I’m not sure

dim minnow
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if it is related to the Pyramids then it is the Witness

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at this point though, we didn't even know about the Witness so we thought it was the Pyramids themselves

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frigid sparrow
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What's "Locus" mean in terms of rank? The boss in presage is the "Locus of Communion," one of the bosses in riven's lair is the "Locus of Subjugation" and the second boss of warlord's ruin is "Locus of Wailing Grief."

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is it just the literal definition of locus?

dim minnow
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I'm not sure if it qualifies as a specific rank

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but the Locuses appear to be a notable source of influence for the Witness

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for instance, the Locus of Communion in Presage was a surviving test subject in Calus' experiments to reach out to the Darkness (which he would later find out to be the Witness)

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so perhaps the Locus of Subjugation was used by the Witness to take control over more Scorn

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or maybe it is a focal point of the Witness' "subjugation" over the Scorn

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like how the Locus of Communion was a focal point for the communion of the Glykon Scorns' minds

frigid sparrow
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neato

outer dragon
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Its just a cool word too

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Locus, not locust, silly Rice

cedar torrent
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I have a question, So it would go dark age, iron lords vs warlords, The six coyotes, City age, Six fronts, great hunt, hell mouth, saint's crusade against fallen. and then destiny 1 in chronological order

trim grotto
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Not... exactly.

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The City Age doesn't have a specific start point, though many choose the end of Six Fronts as its start.
But I can make this easier for you

cedar torrent
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thank you

trim grotto
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This was curated by Dyno, who has put a lot of effort into his sourcing

queen fern
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Can someone tell me what wishes did the ahamkara grant and how they twisted them

dim minnow
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or are you referring to Ahamkara in general?

queen fern
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In general

dim minnow
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when Ahamkara grant wishes, they take advantage of unspecified parts of the wishes to twist them into something that would screw the wisher over

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they feed on the difference between what the wisher desires and what they grant

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the way an Ahamkara twists a wish depends on the wish itself, but it is always in a way that screws over the one who made the wish

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for instance, Riven granted a wish to make the Dreaming City

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she made it beautiful, but not safe

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as evident by how easily it was ransacked by Oryx's forces

queen fern
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That makes sense

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But do they twist the wish out of spite

dim minnow
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and I assume that twisting it in a way that makes it bad makes a larger difference

queen fern
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I forgot his name but Rivens partner, he didn't twist the wishes of those who bargained with him

dim minnow
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Taranis is literally the only one who did that

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he is an outlier

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he is able to feed a little bit, but hardly as much compared to other Ahamkara as a result

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it is kinda funny how the reason why he does that is just because he was born like that

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dim minnow
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yeah

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which makes me wonder how many other Ahamkara like him there were

queen fern
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Probably not much

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But a small amount

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devout nimbus
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Could you make a wish that's so clearly defined that it can't be twisted then

trim grotto
devout nimbus
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Mmh yeah

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You would be a good ahamkara

trim grotto
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As far as can actually be confirmed, Mara is the only one who actually was able to make deals and Wishes to Ahamkara without twists - via the Wish Wall and simply because she's Mara
I doubt she could do it nowadays, however

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Outside of the Wish Wall, I mean

devout nimbus
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Ah I see

devout nimbus
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What's changed

trim grotto
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She has! Let me find a relevant quote for you.

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For there was in Mara very little division between Reality-As-Is and Reality-As-Desired; she was confident in her centuries of purpose and patient with the winding way by which the river of methods reaches the objective ocean. Blessed are those who in their absolute selfhood become selfless. Unappetizing are those who in their truest self-knowledge exclude the possibility of self-deceit.

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Mara is trying to distance herself from this many-locked vault that was her existence, to be open and trust.

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She's trying to change, and she's trying to be trusting. She may, therefore, be more... human. And more vulnerable to the threat of the Anthem Anatheme.

devout nimbus
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Ah I see

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So she's just trying to open up

fresh zephyr
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Can someone recommend a good story summary for destiny 1

trim grotto
devout nimbus
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Does that achieve anything or just because she wants to

devout nimbus
candid inletBOT
devout nimbus
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Byf has a great vid on it

trim grotto
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Or try this

fresh zephyr
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Ty so much

queen fern
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W Dreaming lore explanations

trim grotto
# devout nimbus Does that achieve anything or just because she wants to

It helps us trust her more. But her experience with Crow has broken that ice around her heart. She got her own brother killed, and... I suppose she sees this as a chance to start again.
But it also means that this separated, unknowable Queen, this entity who rivalled Savathûn in secrets and layered plans, who fashioned a reality and laid out intricate plans for thousands of years, is...

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Well, being more open may make her, and by extension the entire system, more vulnerable.
On the other hand, her lack of trust and the lack of divulged information led us to the hunting of Riven of a Thousand Voices.

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And that cursed her beloved Dreaming City and her people.

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So it may end up for the best after all

devout nimbus
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So she loses power by doing this too?

trim grotto
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Not in a literal sense. Think of her like Savathûn, though. Much of her strength lay in secrecy.

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That said, she also does have literal power, but that should be unaffected by her growth.

devout nimbus
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Gotcha

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Thanks Mael

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arctic iron
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ive got a sillygoofy question

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is there any lore that point towards a class being more powerful than the other

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or is it just a specific guardian thing where some are ect

trim grotto
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It's pretty much a per-Guardian thing, though the most exciting exploits and shows of strength of Guardians are often Titans and Warlocks.

arctic iron
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hehe

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hunters amirite

trim grotto
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Ana, though. When she fired the Gun, where her Golden blasts hit home, she left behind the pools of light. Like splashes of sunlight that burned and burned."

—Lord Shaxx```
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As an example

arctic iron
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ive always wanted to see dark timeline ana

trim grotto
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As a slight pedantic note
There were untold and countless "Dark Timelines"

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We merely heard of a couple

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Elsie's been around the loop more than a few times

arctic iron
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well Elsies version that weve heard of

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yea

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oh I see

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shes seen a few

trim grotto
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She cannot even remember them all

arctic iron
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dont blame her

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so how does that work with the Witness

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or is he just the outlier in ours

trim grotto
# arctic iron dont blame her

Every time a New Light blueberry wipes a raid
Or Edgy McEdge Blueberry starts talking about abandoning the City and killing the Traveler

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a new Dark Future is born, haha

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arctic iron
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interesting

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A dark timeline mini series could be cool

trim grotto
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And Stasis, to reference the actual lore book Dark Future, was provided to us by the Witness

trim grotto
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It was too compressed, turned into weird fanfic, haha

arctic iron
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yea I getchu

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anywho i'm gonna go clip my Iron Banner recordings because that was a fun afternoon

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I fought CammyCakes and got fucking slapped

arctic iron
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lmao rip

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Mercy banner

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Iron Mercy

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arctic iron
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oh damn he was stacked

trim grotto
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Of course we were also 6 stacking with Cerbarus +1 because it was funny

arctic iron
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nicho hynra

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rip

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i wouldve dipped

trim grotto
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We changed Exotic guns every match

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Coldheart, Cerbarus, Jade Rabbit, whatever the randomiser gave us

arctic iron
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6 man stasislock

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arctic iron
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hazy grove
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is banshee the most reset exo? 44 times i havent seen anything higher right

trim grotto
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He was uploaded near the Collapse, Ada was uploaded mid-Collapse.

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Banshee reset so many times during the Vex Exo War before the Collapse itself, however. Each time he was destroyed, he was rebuilt.

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There's a whole questline and lore book and exotic on this topic in Beyond Light's post campaign

hazy grove
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i thought exos kept their names. so clovis called himself banshee?

trim grotto
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No, Clovis-1... Well, Clovis-43, renamed himself. He wanted to erase his association with Clovis Bray, become his own man.

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Wiped his memory one last time, on purpose.

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Had Elsie do it for him.

hazy grove
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ahh i see

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and exos dont keep personality traits across wipes?

trim grotto
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This core kernel of Clovis awoke, saw who and what he was born from, and told him to screw himself.

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Joined Elsie and the Exos trapped in the facility instead.

hazy grove
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ahh i see

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ok in missing pages of the bray logbook theres the blue text which are meant to be notes he puts into his logbook but around the end he begins talking and arguing with it

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what... is it?

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i thought it was sundaresh (the vex copy of her infecting bray)

trim grotto
hazy grove
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ah cool ok

wicked elm
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I would just to point out that some of the vex are canonically lesbian

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wicked elm
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Yes

trim grotto
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I wouldn't really describe a Vex simulation as Vex itself, per se.

wicked elm
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True

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hazy grove
ember storm
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vex bosses are literally called Minds

trim grotto
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Uh in that case, no, actually

ember storm
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mael how do you make your eggs

trim grotto
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As waltz said, there was one poor thing... ECHO- 2̷͛̅6̞̂̀2̔̍̉5̞̈́̂

trim grotto
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poached, preferably

ember storm
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why is that

trim grotto
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I like runny eggy

ember storm
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is it because you're australian

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Scrambled my beloved

trim grotto
ember storm
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i have witness statements

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trim grotto
ember storm
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godammit

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ember storm
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anyway you admitted it yourself so i win give me $14

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I definitely did that in other servers too and not just the Cryptarchy

fervent sandal
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If a thrall or any hive were to kill a guardian and he were to revive via ghost will the hive still get stronger via the sword logic?

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wheat flower
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Why didn't we just line every guardian up and have the shadows of yor do like some firing squad shit 24/7 to make her uber strong then

ember storm
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what

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Two, clearly wasn’t necessary

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Three, it’s probable that it was from actual conflict and not just execution

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Then again

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I suppose she did get the power from just surprise slashing SavathĂ»n’s throat

ember storm
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she was an enemy of humanity and really had it coming

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literally lining up our own numbers just to kill them is honestly one of the worst ideas i've seen in here

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especially involving the Shadows in it

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like, you honestly don't see a problem with that at all?

empty fern
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So like, this guy

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What kind of tithe system did oryx have, and where did the corrupted light come from, and why did ogres have it,

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And another note

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Anywhere else these vex structures are seen? Clear is black garden and right is vog

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ember storm
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which is to say bungie just reused a vex structure from D1 Venus

empty fern
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F

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Where did skolas fight take place again?

dim minnow
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aka the second picture

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we also fight some Taken there as well during the Taken War

empty fern
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I see

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So “citadel” architecture was just reused for part of starcrossed? Neat

desert tree
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so, im watching through the Cutscenes of past expansions and seasons, and im coming close to the end of Forsaken
and Mara is genuinely starting to piss me off. so before I keep letting my blood boil every time I hear her voice, is the Mara the Guardian talks to that is sitting in her... Throne Room? whatever its called, is that Mara the actual real deal mara, or is she just Riven or Savathun pulling a tricky trick

dim minnow
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if you are referring to the Queen's Court visits then yeah

desert tree
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ok so Mara is just straight up an asshole

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got it

dim minnow
desert tree
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is there a specefic season where she goes through, like, a character arc or something?

dim minnow
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you were really able to notice a difference when she came back in Season of the Lost

dim minnow
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kind of changes her view towards Guardians drastically

desert tree
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true, but she didn't seem exactly "torn up" when Uldren died the first time

dim minnow
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and good at restraining herself

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there was an unused story concept that showed her more grieving

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we got to see what that would have been like in the 4th Grimoire anthology

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as for other events, not sure if this changed anything, but there was the time when she and Eris blew up a Pyramid ship between the events of Y2 (specifically after she left the Queen's Court) and Shadowkeep

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she actually died a second time and had to be brought back through her Throne World

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and I'm not sure if this happened in that timeframe, but at some point between her departure from the Queen's Court and her return in Season of the Lost, I believe she did meet the Witness directly

slim elk
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Shes pretty clearly freaked out about it in the Witch Queen cutscenes

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Had a bit of events beforehand that keeps breaking it to Mara shes not the "big fish" she thought she was.. kept getting outplayed by Savathun

next bobcat
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I would send this in off-topic but it doesn’t let me so here’s a sidearm I made

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blazing wasp
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You mean the great disaster

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next bobcat
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Found a way sorry

empty fern
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Hey guess what

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We could talk about this guy, what a weirdo

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shadow crypt
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So is clovis the big robot head?

meager belfry
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more like uploading their consciousness or memories something like that

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Banshee is in some way that

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Like Jarvis to Vision

empty fern
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The big head is Clovis Remastered and banshee is Clovis prime CATGRIN

muted hemlock
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What’s with the Midas touch going on with Calus?

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The big head is an AI imitation of Clovis. How he thought and how he behaved in life

empty fern
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He’s just feeling fancy

empty fern
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empty fern
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Also it’s more witness magic then molten gold

shadow crypt
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Oh I see

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teal tartan
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Yo can someone explain why the ghost cant revive cayde in forsaken?

willow flax
teal tartan
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The ghost?

willow flax
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yes

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the scorn brought a certain weapon that can kill a ghost

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not anything can just kill a ghost

teal tartan
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So like someone elses ghost wouldnt be able to heal him?

willow flax
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no

teal tartan
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Ok that makes sense

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Thx bro

willow flax
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👍

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blazing wasp
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did a brainscan of himself and chucked it into a exo, which are how exos are made

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the process kills you, but he was dying anyway

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teal tartan
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They’re durable to an extent but really their survivability comes from their size, how nimble and quick they are and the fact they can decompile or whatever it is they do

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To kill a Ghost you have to catch a Ghost, or be able to hit the Ghost midair

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Or orbital bombardment like Petra did

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# willow flax the scorn brought a certain weapon that can kill a ghost

The weapon wasn’t special btw. The bullet was. It was a Devourer round from the original Thorn. And it wasn’t for Sundance. It was for Cayde. If he’d been shot with it, it would have drained the Light from him and left Sundance unable to ever rez him, even if she survived

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But when Cayde pulled Sundance out, the Rifleman swapped targets. Not out of strategy but of cruelty

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To make Cayde lose his friend before he died

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And so they could kill him more personally

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Is there any difference between the thorn our character could have and the one cayde was shot with?

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Other than it being a replica ofc

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our thorn cant do that

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So then what kinda rounds does our guardian use for thorn? I thought it was just a copy-paste of the original thorn and our guardian is just immune to it "just because"

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also are the exo stranger and ana his kids or grandkids?

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Were their parents also exos?

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or

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the parents of ana and elsie?

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i doubt that

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We don’t hear about their parents or anything in the lore?

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if we do, its not much

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also thanks rice

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i appreciate you.

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his first words after all was "piss off old man" towards the clovis AI

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mostly human.

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so robots with human minds

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yes

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don’t they forget their past too?

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they've got some vex in them too so a little biological in there too

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Ah I see

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An early version of an Exo anyway

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I believe he tore himself apart before Ana and Elsie’s eyes

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But their father did become one

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oh yeah

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Just wanted to see if that sheds any light on the games current year

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Stopped when it happened presumably

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So given the dark age was a few hundred years and the city age was also around 500

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Year 4000 seems around right

shadow crypt
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Golly

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We can make estimations to narrow it down but little of it is is based on solid foundations.

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Do we know what year it is currently in destiny 2?

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Oh ok I see now

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what is this

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portal to dragon world ?

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This is crazy

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I’m not all too sure what that place is tbh

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It’s pretty though

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Is that the queens court?

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Well, I know that, but I meant I don’t specifically know what/where that is

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I do recall it being a misconception that that was part of Mara’s Throne World or something?

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@trim grotto help me out here please

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this was where we met Mara Sov in Forsaken

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Why do my director show in the middle the tower with a triangle in it. Isn’t it meant to have triangles around it?

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Or I’m I stupid or wat XD

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what

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The triangles around the traveler went into the portal

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BL, huh?

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Sorry lightfall

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Mod moment

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banned

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.ban @shadow warren

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Oh shit

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Secret mod authority

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I genuinely have no idea who changed my username to this

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Clearly someone on the mod team recognises my authority thumbsupman

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Where is the Queen’s Court. Is it just hidden somewhere in the Reef?

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Oh, her little throne on the cliff?

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As far as I'm aware, it's just literally on the side of the Dreaming City. It's built atop an asteroid, after all.

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Ah I see

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Why is it only accessible through the Oracle Engine?

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Why is the Throne of the Queen of Secrets a secret? To be a secret.

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I'm under the impression that the Court is elsewhere

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not in Dreamtown

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like maybe it is part of her Throne World

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Well the best way to find out is to check the old visits to the Queen

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or maybe elsewhere

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Look my fact checking will be lackluster due to being on mobile but I'll gather some bits and bobs

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area in the background tells me it must be in some other dimension or something of the sort

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maybe some Ley Line stuff

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Alrighty
It's listed as Unknown Space, but Mara describes it as overlooking an endless cosmic expanse. Honestly, given the same terrain and stone as the Dreaming City, and given that the City itself is essentially in space - and that we reach the underside of it in The Corrupted, which is also open to space - I believe it's simply an isolated location on a Dreaming City cliff, below its surface, looking out into space.

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;lore

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That place exist before my time, but its pretty cool, feels like in actualy space

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@jagged badge @dim minnow

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I remember thinking that she was actually lodging with the nine because of her dealings with the emissary and the fact their realms are also in “unknown space”

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hmmm

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well the deal she made with the Nine was for tracking/looking out for incoming Pyramid ships

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maybe the Court was related to that

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maybe we will get some more lore on it perhaps tomorrow when we go after the last egg

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That being said

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The Oracle Engine is also reportedly a way for Mara to walk other realms

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According to Mara's comment to Petra

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Y’all remember the trophies shaxx had in d1? Holdon

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Ok I can’t find it but there were 3 horned ahamkaras by him

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The queens court is a cool location though wherever it is

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How do you think they’ll keep us waiting for 6 months with story

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After we should supposedly look for the final egg today

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Smth along the lines of helping Osiris research the connection between crow and Mara whilst he is in the traveller and performing tasks to establish the gateway for us guardians?

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Also the free Into The Light thing, whatever that is as well

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Probably yeah

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Idk if it’s a coincidence or not but one my favorite Disney characters from one of my favorite Disney movies has arm blades just like the strand titan super

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It’s just a xl image file

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Probably don’t work tho

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it’s just a community joke but I’ve genuinely never seen an image in that format

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Yeah me neither

fresh zephyr
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Ogre stuff, why does bungie use ogres for filler so much wtf_dixie

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Taken ogre, hive ogre, big hive ogre

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Siva ogre

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I see

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Very interesting

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cool final cutscene , it feels quite anticlimactic given the long gap before final shape release though

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'he is on his way ', ok now just wait til june

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gonna take the man 6 months to do his thing

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But yeah it’s a tad unfortunate

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I haven’t played in weeks CATGRIN

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Curse of osiris is after or before lightfall?

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is the revolutionary war after or before the moon landing

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Much before

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I mean, you bring her back to life

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you don’t

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she didn’t die in CoO

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did you miss the whole part where Osiris went to the moon, Sagira sacrificed herself, and Savathun possessed Osiris for like a year,?

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Or just before technically

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So there was indeed no new story today?

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Oh there was nevermind

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Yeah I thought so lol

trim grotto
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What do you mean by this Eris

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I’m confused

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Are you saying that area is in the Distributary? I thought no one could return there

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I'm explicitly stating it isn't

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season of the Hunt and Lost are both in there explaining sagira’s death and osiris’ possession

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So what’s that have to do with the Distributary?

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Nothing

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That's what I'm saying

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Am I missing something here

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I think you’re having a jongo moment

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Mael, you responded to someone asking why the Queen’s Court isn’t a place we can go to on the director

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And then explained about the Distributary being inaccessible

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the point is they didn’t meant to say directory

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they meant distributary

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Because I assumed that's what they actually meant, given the quote

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Referring to the Destinations page didn't make sense in this context

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Oh

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the directory isn’t a good indication of location to begin with

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Truly you are the silliest of billies

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💀

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This is a pretty fair mixup considering what they said imo

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I’m defending myself here, I think this was a valid silly billy moment

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đŸ˜€

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I do declare
Silly
Billy

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do you think giant isopods survived the collapse

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please

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answer me

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No

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You don’t get an answer

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Not after what you did

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what makes you say that

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huh, the boss in this story mission has the same name as a random scorn boss from the forsaken campaign

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they are very "modular"

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probably not any piece of lore pertaining to them which is unfortunate I like when things like this happen

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especially since, well, forsaken campaign is gone and that connection is lost to anyone who doesn't look it up like a weirdo (me)

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They’re from the Dreaming City campaign. The opening mission of which is still in the game

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Well

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“Campaign”

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No

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Not Petra’s quests

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Just the introductory mission to the Dreaming City

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Where you first spawn in, and see the Taken Techeuns for the first time

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oh lmao

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empty fern
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Well, bingo according to Destinypedia

shadow crypt
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Can someone explain what even happened in the final cutscene?

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Well, I think it’s more that the wish allows Crow to navigate the portal, which is why it’ll take him a while to get there

shadow crypt
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Where does the portal lead crow to?

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The portal is what the Witness opened in Lightfall. When the Vanguard made attempts to follow, it resulted in the gruesome death of the one who tried to enter

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So we’ve spent like most the year trying to find a way through

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Yep

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Yes

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A way to follow the Witness

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Ohh i see

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SavathĂ»n manufactured the wish and left clues to it for us. Which is how we were tipped off to call on Riven’s spirit this season

shadow crypt
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we are getting a new destination in tfs right?

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Could whatever is in the portal be the raid or destination?

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It’s the destination lmao

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You may want to watch the showcase from back in August

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Alright

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The actual showcase starts at like 56:46

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Just finished the weekly quest, now no more Destiny story for 6 months offf

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We have these things called “Wishes” coming up, as well as the “Into the Light” thing

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“Coming up” into the light is still 4 months away :(

outer dragon
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So, I was going back and reading some old Osiris lore
The core of the Sundail has to be an Ahamkara or its bones.

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The argument has always been between Ahamkara bones or a Darkness artifact.
The strongest connection is to Darkness artifact, which would explain why Drifter - he who experiments with Darkness based technology - was brought in to check it.

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However, we never learned explicitly what it was or what happened to it.

outer dragon
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It whispered though and Germaine says "Not something that I would bargain with"
Ahamkara whisper and make bargins

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That is true.

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There's no way to be sure at this time, unfortunately.

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gsthink
Although an Ahamkara bargain would explain why, ironically, Osiris wasn't able to find the right Saint, despite it all.

outer dragon
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That is what I am saying

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Oh ok

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Joe Blackburn mentioned them a bit ago

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you know, I was expecting something funny to happen

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but everything just worked out like it was meant to

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kinda been the same thing for the past 3 seasons in a row

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story wise

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yeah 100% filler year front to back

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I mean, Season of the Witch and Wish both had pretty good and important stories

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Even if they’re filler, they’re really pretty good filler. Plus people like the innovation on the gameplay of the activities myself

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Even Deep to an extent. The story less so but Deep Dives were kinda well received iirc

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dont get me wrong Coil is a top destiny activity for me

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but the gravity of the situation was just not present this year

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also giving the witness soooo much time in the traveler

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cant help but come off as goofy

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Fair

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From the looks of the showcase though, it’s been doing a lot in there

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Easy way to "fix" it is if we saw actual effects on the traveler as time progressed

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And it’s a pretty easy handwave explanation to just say, “yeah what the Witness is doing is an extremely complicated and powerful thing that has to take time”

slim elk
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Make that ticking clock visible

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While it feels weird, it at least can easily make sense

slim elk
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And now, Crow gets to enjoy 6 months being beaten up by Cayde heh

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The cutscene seemed to suggest the journey through for him could take time

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Mara said that he’s “on his way”

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Hey, maybe that’s another reason the Witness has took this long

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Me when hit with spoilers

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Agh I’m sorry

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😔

slim elk
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Oh right

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It knows what its doing and took all the pyramid ships with it

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Even with Osrisis figuring out the method, theres no way to replicate it on our end

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Put it simply? The Witness knows more about paracausality in all forms then we do

outer dragon
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Watch this turns Crow into a location vendor

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He ends up stuck there

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Even if we can go back and forth, he is stuck. Because of the wish itself

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Wait, how does Crow’s absence in game work in terms of past seasonal quests that have required you to talk to him this year?

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Like, if for whatever reason you played Wish first and then Defiance?

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Unless Defiance didn’t have a talk to Crow step. I can’t remember

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Suddenly
D1
What are these, they don’t seem like hive (d1 moon)

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not referring to worms I think

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I see

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D2 seems to have replaced them with the funny orange egg sacs

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in terms of active worldbuilding at least

empty fern
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Hmmm

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Do we know what became of the winter ketch in Venus?

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venus went hard fr

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empty fern
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Wait is eris rock an ahamkara shard or a hive rock

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Ahamkara bone shard

empty fern
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Ah

dim minnow
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Damn

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or it was taken by the Wolves for a while until the House got dismantled

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since Reksis Vahn took out their remaining servitors

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question about riven, what is her limitation of granting wish ?

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Also

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She’s dead

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For good (idk why she said she’ll see mara again)

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I don’t think bungie is letting manipulating go that far (for the sake of the game)

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Wait I read that weird

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Hmmm

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mine or urs ?

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Ah

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Hmmm

empty fern
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No I don’t think so

lethal inlet
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whoever hunting the dragon back in the day

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I think they would have learned (from before the hunt) to not be swayed by the dragons

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So probably not,

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damn, im just evil thinking for guardian to be wiped out

empty fern
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Bungie themselves would slap your right cheek if that ever came true

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just think about it, if thats actually true or or, she can make her own wish to wipe out any being except her child to live

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and somehow the nature of galaxy reborn from the scartch and learn about it

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they took a revenge

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thats actually real plot twist i think

empty fern
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Hmmm

dim minnow
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getting a little concerned for the future of Riven's clutch now

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since it seems like Caiatl and Saladin don't have faith in Taranis' will

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and now I'm actually hoping that Riven's clutch will take after Taranis and not be rat bastards unlike most of their kind before them

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Since he didn't enjoy it nor did he have any wishes the dragons could feed of off

empty fern
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I really gotta get back into d1 hive lore

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Can someone explain me the working of the Veil pls ? Cause i have a theory on this but not sure if it doesn't work as i think it does

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did you read his name

empty fern
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Ik he’s a fanatic

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Why is he a fanatic

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he's just a knight who was obsessed with crota and even tried impersonating him in front of oryx, which oryx just found hilarious

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crota is a lot bigger

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I see

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But also

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Command triggered by seqoxia. Message link from ·
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empty fern
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Aw that format is weird

empty fern
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Wait was toland the one to discover sword logic?

dim minnow
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Sword Logic was founded by the original Hive gods

empty fern
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No like

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How did we first learn about it (from who or what)

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Wait fundament was just a fragment of the hives original world?

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(I’m actually using ishtar collective for the first time)

wheat flower
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I see

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Toland never made it back from thr pit

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Well physically

empty fern
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True

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Oh yea

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When taken king came out, how recent was maras attack?

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Was it just before release?

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(Because the awoken remains are still floating there)

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You literally see it in Taken Kings opening cutscene lol

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Ik Ik

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Also

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Did these techeuns survive?

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Had a friend claim they died and mara had “backups” to stand in for them

slim elk
empty fern
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True

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she’s got a lot of techeuns

wheat flower
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no they were just in the DC and got taken

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again, there’s a lot of techuens

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the ones in the ship just died

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Iirc, they self-gated out of there, but one of them left the gate open just a fraction too long

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And that’s how Oryx’s influence reached the Dreaming City

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I read that a while ago though tbf so

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I could be wrong

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Lemme see if I can corroborate this or debunk it for myself

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Still no sign of primary objectives. Continued survey of the remaining 100,000 km3 of space is underway. But as an Armada Paladin of the Awoken, it is my duty to officially recommend declaration of death of the following: Paladin Yasmin Eld, Paladin Leona Bryl, Paladin Abra Zire, Paladin Pavel Nolg, Techeun Shuro, Techeun Sedia, Techeun Kali, and the Awoken Queen Mara Sov.

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This at least suggests they were the ones on the ship

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Oh yasmin was on there too

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Cool

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i don't understand

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what is izanagi's burden

empty fern
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It’s a burden

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so what's the burden bigbrain

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Well sniper rifles are probably a bit heavy

marsh fern
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But yea it’s probably

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Oh looks like it’s regret
And something about a pair being targeted for robbery or mugging? And there’s a bomb in the purse?

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I wonder

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Besides ecthar and crota fanatic, what other lesser known enemies are on the dreadnaught

slim elk
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So heard new dialogue post season quest

empty fern
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At the terminal?

slim elk
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Maras experimenting on using the Taken

empty fern
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Is it the 8/8 or 7/8

slim elk
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Nope. The Lair-Coil

empty fern
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Neat

slim elk
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Yeah..
She's seems like she planning to hijack them and use to her own ends

empty fern
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Nice

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Not many fallen to command anymore

slim elk
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Only issue? Its Mara.. she's already backsliding to "queen bitch of the universe" if she thinks that is a good idea lol

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I didn’t actually know until I searched earlier that Sedia, Kalli and Shuro Chi were named characters before Forsaken came out

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Must’ve been cool for lore peeps to see those names at the time

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So it nezarec supposed to be the same species as the psions?

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Don’t they worship him?

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It’s kinda up for debate whether he’s related to the Psions at all. Some people theorise he influenced them

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Iirc

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Small little thing

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I wish the scorn of the witness had a different symbol

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As from what recall fikrals scorn is slowly gaining culture among the group, while the witnesses scorn are merely empty vessels with thoughts or will

shadow crypt
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Why is cayde in the traveler?

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Didn’t he die in forsaken

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We don’t know

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Don’t think we got any info about that yet

trim grotto
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It's a two-parter

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#

So there's that

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ember storm
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Motivates

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And a very safe bet is that there is gonna be a moment in the story where we learn Cayde won’t be able to cross over into the real world because of the traveler connection

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For all we know it could be his genuine consciousness

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But yeah chances are end of the campaign he's either gonna "die" or pass on, or he'll be stuck in the Pale Heart in perpetuity as a vendor

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Either way chances he gets to keep being an active character in the game are pretty slim, I think best case scenario we see him periodically in seasonal stories like Clovis

trim grotto
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I'll bet my buttons he's the Vendor

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVuW8_V-JTc

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Destiny Lore Vault
Riven's Lair | Reach the Catacombs: "Imagine... to Wield the Taken"...

Alternative Dialogue from the seasonal activity Riven's Lair during Season of the Wish. (Week Seven)

**

Mara Sov: I walked the Confluence before your fireteam arrived. I found A lone Taken, and ordered it to stop.

Osiris: You are testing dangerous waters
 but that is familiar territory for you.

Mara Sov: Imagine
 to wield the Taken. To neve...

▶ Play video
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slim elk
#

History repeats, and we cant trust ourselves in the face of temptation

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Maybe should change from not liking Petra to not liking Mara?

dim minnow
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I do really want to have faith that Taranis' will extends to Riven's clutch

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so that maybe those guys won't be rat bastards unlike almost all Ahamkara before them

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Thats the funny thing, did you read the lore entry yourself yet?

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Saladin isnt blaming the Ahamkara.. but rather people tempted by them

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And now Maras experimenting with controling the Taken.. and all so conviently hoarding the clutch to herself...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtzzfnetjHs

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Riven's Lair | Complete: "I Will Safeguard Her Children" | Season o...

Alternative Dialogue from the seasonal activity Riven's Lair during Season of the Wish. (Week Seven)

**

Petra Venj: So, Riven's really gone?

Mara Sov: Yes. Her power may linger, but not her spirit. I will safeguard her children. Whatever comes of that, I will answer for.

**

Riven's Lair — Season of the Wish Playlist:
https://www.youtube.co...

▶ Play video
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If you think about it the hive is just a Pyramid Scheme

dim minnow
trim grotto
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#

all planned by the one who made the Pyramid ships after all

light stratus
#

Wich worm would be at the top of it

dim minnow
fallow sky
#

When did mara and crow get so close?

trim grotto
empty fern
#

Calus was revealed (and kinda made) at the start of destiny 2 right?

#

Did we know what the psion situation was in d1?

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The same as before d2 before caitial released them

empty fern
#

We knew this back then?

ember storm
#

cabal emperor was referenced as early as taken king

forest oar
#

why is the crow covered with scales

ember storm
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it’s something called armor

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oh its his armor not from his body

ember storm
#

yes?

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# ember storm yes?

has it ever been explained why osiris has a giant bird head growing out of his body hmmmmm

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has it ever been explained why Amanda Holiday is made of fire???

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Yeah that’s clearly clothing/armour

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Probably not. It’s just an outfit made by Eva

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Oof

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Although

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That means we could get it (if he dies) CATGRIN

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(By ruling of vanguard dare armor)

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Also, why did wish armor have teapots and like, camping stuff

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Savathun likes tea

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and it’s all sort of alchemy themed

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True

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yeah im like 99% sure it’s intentional

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considering both are about Savathun and include Witch in the name

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I feel like no one ever truly dies in Destiny but then again I'm no lore expert.

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The only characters who have really come back from death have been Crow and SavathĂ»n, but that’s not undoing Uldren’s and SavathĂ»n’s deaths. It’s specifically in service of the narrative because that’s how Lightbearers work

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So that’s really not a valid criticism

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That wasn't a criticism, just an impression that I had. When I said "never truly dies", I didn't just mean resurrection and surviving after being assumed dead. They can also come back in other forms like Riven.

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That’s just always been a thing for the Ahamkara

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Their spirit transcends death and lingers in their bones, which is why those Ahamkara exotics do funky things

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and if you’re going to reference Crow that was specifically just for the character arc of the Sov twins

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very few Lightbearers even get the context of their previous life

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Of course, it's just that a character that we think we may not see again, they may come back in some form. Eramis, Mara, Uldren, Sloane etc.

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when they’re resurrected they’re a blank slate, it’s not just the same person coming back

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Can somebody explain the winerbite lore

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Spooky thing stabs Exodus ship, ship lands on Neptune while shouting "we're totally Vex, don't hurt us"

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What's the back story of sanctified mind?

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Like how did it get all fucked up

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Because it had to be normal at one point right?

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Is the crimson basically illegal in the eyes of the vanguard

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they were basically never normal

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constant darkness worship means vex chassis get warped

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I believe it technically doesn't exist to them

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in whatever legal capacity the vanguard maintains, it doesn’t

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Legally the crimson doesn't exist

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not because it’s evil or anything it’s just literally stained by the blood of permadead murdered guardians

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The guardian actually didn't kill any guardians I think

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it’s debatable

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They made it in case the light is taken

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probably had multiple owners

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Ok

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Ahemkara are immortal right

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However Riven’s spirit is gone now

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Have you played this week’s story?

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Very confuse

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Nope

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Ah

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Spoilers

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Have not touched the game in months

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And idc tbh

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For me the game bland rn

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(Hi sorry catching up because I’m abroad with no consistent wifi)
There’s a theory that, similarly to how the Distributary has time past much quicker than in the regular universe, time is passing much slower where the Witness is compared to here; this with some earlier theories of the place behind the portal being the original Garden from Unveiling and other sources, the one the Gardener originated from, seems to be our best bet as to why it’s taking the Witness so long.
Why this hasn’t been explained, maybe the Wishes missions or Into the Light will answer