📚lore-discussion

[trim grotto]

As in what caused them to die, or...

[neat willow]

The amusement park section immediately reminded me of one of Nier automatas most memorable sections

[fiery copper]

Died

[empty fern]

I see

[neat willow]

Bro this shit is absolutely crushing

@trim grotto bruh I finished the papers right in my feels wtf

Honestly feel like destiny deserves an animated anthology series or something

Universes like destiny I think benefit immensely from anthology type stuff

The lore stuff is cool

[chrome fog]

Mhmm

Read the journals of Micah if you want more meloncholy

(spoiler: ||Cayde before the rez almost shot Micah but had lousy aim||)

[ember storm]

child murder is ok in eventide

[empty fern]

For the glory of this project I’m working on

[chrome fog]

Oh they’ll be fine, I’ll put them in a robot cat form or something

[empty fern]

Yuh

[chrome fog]

(Clarification that Archie is not a child put into a robot dog frame he’s just a good boy who holds a portion of Rasputin’s code)

[echo fjord]

[weary breach]

can we use this code to bring Big Red back?

[real ingot]

No

[weary breach]

😭 noooo

[chrome fog]

He was already fragmented due to the fuckery that the Pyramids did when he attacked them in Arrivals, and then whatever remained blew up with the Warsats

[static bluff]

taking this as my confirmation for next season involving eramis tyvm

[neat willow]

Are ghosts only able to be destroyed with enhanced weaponry?

I know caydes was blown up by a paracasual bullet or something

Ada blew up some ghosts with a sniper but those were arguably enhanced

[dull raft]

either extreme force or paracausal powers, considering Izanagi's and fallen weapons are able to destroy them

[neat willow]

Gotcha

That fits adas black armory sniper

Also bruh Adas "I've seen light used by warlords" quote is much better when you've read black armory papers

[chrome fog]

ahem

#📚lore-discussion message

[ember storm]

eh i don't think the point is particularly accurate

it was plainly established, it's just paracausal power = confirmed kill

it's not a requirement

enough force will just clean up a ghost just fine

point blank shotguns, izi, fallen weapons (which are literally made of garbage), carpet bombing

[dim minnow]

Colonel vs Immaru

who would win

been reading the new Festival lore book

I actually really like this one

nice to finally see Drifter's ghost again

seems like she doesn't talk at all

[sick yew]

Didn't she stop that long ago already

Or did she never speak

[dim minnow]

it is established that she stopped talking when Drifter made her new shell

though I wasn't certain if she was just completely unable to talk

[sick yew]

Yeah that's what I thought

[dim minnow]

since Drifter mentions that his ghost can still switch from blue to red eye

hmmm

[sick yew]

Life ain't easy for a drifters ghost

[dim minnow]

I wonder if her case is the same as that one Kentarch 3 guy's ghost

I can't remember his name

oh right

Lisbon-13

yeah

his ghost can't talk either

because the Witness made it so

I wonder if it is related

[agile fern]

immaru and archie

[chrome fog]

Soooo, extreme force or paracausal powers

[ember storm]

extreme force makes it sound like a group of dregs with garbage guns couldn't kill a ghost, which they could

also i was mainly focusing on the "connection to the traveler" bit which isn't really a thing

a ghost can't just completely shrug off a bullet regardless

if it gets hit there's going to be damage

just not the confirmed one-shot kill paracausal power does

[chrome fog]

Semantics

[ember storm]

if it’s something you’re using as a source it should be specific

[chrome fog]

Dove covers essentially all the choices for ghost killing in that message, I don’t know what else is missing

[fresh zephyr]

are our guns infused with light

[ember storm]

no, I just said that

the energies just exist

asking in another channel isn’t going to change the answer

[fresh zephyr]

mfw i want to get another opinion

[ember storm]

if only there were a pinned message in the channel detailing the same things I’ve been saying

oh well

[fresh zephyr]

snarky

[empty fern]

Common

[ember storm]

im a real character

[empty fern]

Fake

[ember storm]

that means you’re talking to nobody

you’re hallucinating

[empty fern]

[jagged badge]

No. Waltz already said it

There are only certain weapons that are literally paracausal

But most are just elemental ammunition

Like our enemies have

[empty fern]

Guess what

Salad man was wrong

[jagged badge]

Hm?

[empty fern]

Oh yea

Was gonna say something about him saying something along the lines of your guns with light isn’t good but you with light is

Also I’m bluer now

[lucid quest]

isn’t it possible to temporarily infuse weapons with darkness though, like in the case of unraveling rounds or chill clip? or is that still “elemental ammo”

[jagged badge]

Oh yeah, Darkness is just the paracausal stuff

It doesn’t exist on its own as elements separate from Light

[lucid quest]

but Light is its own elemental energy?

[jagged badge]

We use Light to manipulate paracausal versions of Solar, Arc and Void energies

[chrome fog]

They're not naturally infused with Light, but in the hands of a trained Guardian, our bullets are empowered by Light

[chrome fog]

You can create fire using a match. A Guardian can make fire out of thin air. Both are fire, one is just magic

Solar, Void, and Arc are naturally present energies in the universe, but Light attuned to those elements conjure those energies through paracausal means

[empty fern]

Lore activity

[final lantern]

How does the end of D1 tie into D2s beginning

I never played D1 in its entirety

[lost abyss]

They didn't really "Tie" together. Rise of Iron was D1's last expansion which, didn't have much to do with the arrival of the Red Legion in D2's beginning. The characters from Rise of Iron didn't even really reappear again, aside from Saladin much later.

[shadow warren]

Tyra karn was in vanilla d2

still not much connection though

[final lantern]

Oh okay, I wasn’t sure if you being revived in D2 at the beginning had anything to do with something that happened in D1

Like I didn’t know if it left off and picked up

Thanks

[jagged badge]

D2 didn’t begin with you being revived, it began with us flying our ship to the Tower as the Cabal invaded

I assume you’re talking about the current New Light campaign?

[fiery lily]

In light of festival of the lost, any super creepy or scary lore entries anyone knows of?

[chrome fog]

The current New Light experience is a close copy of the D1 New Light experience, so that it’s more clear that your Guardian is the same as the one from the beginning of D1

[final lantern]

Yeah yeah, my fault

I totally forgot they scrapped the whole Red War campaign, it never occured to me that there was a different beginning

my fault gang

[chrome fog]

Nah ur good

The New Light experience is kinda jank as it is rn

[ember storm]

shaw han does not exist.

nothing happened to anyone.

[empty fern]

You can’t gaslight yourself waltz

Accept the truth

[wheat flower]

i was readin some lore so mara has a throne world called eulisnia but that's only the 2nd known throne world not created bu hive

what is the 1st known throne world not created by hive

[real ingot]

Hiraks

Scorn Baron

He made an apartment

Hiraks fell in love with a Hive broodqueen and weird hijinx ensued

[ember storm]

also toland technically

[lucid quest]

i thought mara’s throne world was the dreaming city

[trim grotto]

No, the Dreaming City is just... Well, a city.

It's built upon an asteroid, 4 Vesta, out in the Reef.

Eleusinia, now known as the Shattered Throne, is her Throne World.

[lucid quest]

that’s why i was confused

oops

[ruby pivot]

i cant really escape explaining to some people that siva wont become a subclass because it is not related to light or dark, its because its a manmade thing

[chrome fog]

Yeah…

[broken zephyr]

Where else have we seen Nezarec, besides his revival in Lightfall/RoN

[trim grotto]

Well, there's his helmet, nezzy's sin

And there's the foreshadowing from Haunted

Such as the location names and Nezarec's Whisper

And of course, Season of Plunder

[chrome fog]

Albeit a very slight glimpse, his corpse is very different to the body he has in RoN

[broken zephyr]

was it all just foreshadowing or did we ever actually see him

[chrome fog]

All until Plunder

[real ingot]

Drifter also mentioned his tomb

[broken zephyr]

how in plunder?

[chrome fog]

A cutscene

[broken zephyr]

ah

I’ll search it up later

[real ingot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCOy-9Z1jcs

[trim grotto]

Only Plunder's cutscene where we saw, like, his feet

[real ingot]

around 30 secs we see his torso

[chrome fog]

Shit, you beat me

[real ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-of-p-gaming-gif-11790589634543100535

get in

[broken zephyr]

what a reference

[real ingot]

look at the cutscene I sent

[broken zephyr]

Yeah i saw, but like half his torso ain’t much either

[chrome fog]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN

I haven’t lied

[real ingot]

we also have Nez's concept art which is considered his original appearance based off the RoN statues

lemme grab it

[broken zephyr]

quality pic

[real ingot]

I had an old one saved somewhere

[broken zephyr]

did homie wear a cape?

[real ingot]

here it is

[broken zephyr]

oh much better

interesting

is his curled up body what Nezarecs Sin is supposed to portray?

or the other way around?

[chrome fog]

We dunno

[real ingot]

this is CA so we can't say for certain

[broken zephyr]

true

[chrome fog]

Also I think you mean original appearance for the raid, I’m not sure if this his original-original form, as there’s implications that he’s had others before

[real ingot]

eh

I tend to use it as a his form before he was cut up

[broken zephyr]

what was Nezzys relevance prior to his revival?

lore-wise

[real ingot]

Imprinted himself on the Psions enough to give them their entire Psionic powers culture

Was possibly the Right-hand man of the Witness after Rhulk was demoted

This idea comes from him having the Veil before Savathun stole it

And he has supposedly died many times

[chrome fog]

Delicate Tomb points to this supposedly - both in its lore tab and it’s concept art revealing dusty Plunder relic bits inside - as well as maybe the Nezarec’s Sin exotic and something in Inspiral?

[ember storm]

aside from that he was the one leading the charge during the collapse, iirc

i might not be

it is almost midnight

[smoky rose]

Very very vague references prior to plunder

Prior to Haunted we had like two lore pieces neither of which went into much detail

[paper gorge]

what classes are Eris morn and the drifter?

[dim minnow]

Eris Morn - Hunter with a preference for Arc
Drifter - None, he is his own "class"

[paper gorge]

cool thanks

[dim minnow]

something to remember, Eris Morn no longer has her Light and Drifter prefers not to use it

[paper gorge]

ok , but could you elaborate as to why the drifter , doesn't want to use the light ? if you can.

[dim minnow]

I believe it stems from his distrust towards his own Ghost

there are instances where he used his Light though

[paper gorge]

is his ghost still alive ?

[dim minnow]

like when he used solar Light to put a guy out of his own misery and when he makes his coins glow

[dim minnow]

yes, but she is...

well

not very well mentally I would say

[paper gorge]

ghost can have mental health issues?

[dim minnow]

basically, at one point she snapped and told Drifter to graft parts from other Ghost shells onto her

as a result, she no linger speaks and has a red eye now

though she can switch between the red and blue eye whenever

[paper gorge]

oh that's cool

[dim minnow]

it's pretty much the result of a very bad relationship

Drifter never trusted her from teh get-go and the incident with Lord Dryden made things worse

[paper gorge]

does the drifter suffer from paranoia ?

[smoky rose]

PTSD is probably more accurate

[dim minnow]

then they get trapped on an unnamed icy planet while being hunted by light-draining monsters

[dim minnow]

ehhh

I mean, after everything sure he has a bit of it

especially the part where the little girl died in his arms

[smoky rose]

You can’t tell me he went through the starvations, the Dryden incident, and the light draining creatures without developing PTSD

[dim minnow]

but from the very beginning he refused to listen to his ghost

[dim minnow]

admittedly, all that stuff did leave a mark on him, but a huge part of the starvation stuff was him not letting his ghost stave off the effects of it

[chrome fog]

Ghosts are as much an individual as anyone else, there’s an entire lore book about their thoughts and experiences called Ghost Stories

And I’ll have to say that initial paranoia and PTSD seeing everything he has contributed to his distrust of the Traveler, but we’ve softened him up

[empty trout]

How does the Vanguard view Xur? Is he friend or foe to them? Do they trust him or not? And for that matter, the Nine as a whole?

[dim minnow]

the Vanguard don't really have a good understanding of the Nine

they are somewhat wary, but they don't view them as a threat

[empty trout]

oh ok

[dim minnow]

the thing about Xur is that his will is not his own

so it's not really Xur you have to worry about

[empty trout]

right, I forgot that

He says it all the time but I never register it in ny head

[dim minnow]

if the Vanguard actually knew more on the Nine, they would be much more wary of them

after all, one of them was the reason why Guardians weren't able to foresee the Red LEgion's approach

[wheat flower]

we plundered his relics

[low gyro]

suddenly drifter telling immaru that maybe he'll let immaru see his Ghost sounds a lot more ominous

[static bluff]

and then he did meet his ghost but the drifter wasn't there

[outer dragon]

And the Drifters ghost is a crazy one

[chrome fog]

I like to think they have a lovely relationship, after Drifter’s been softened up by the Young Wolf, Eido, and Eris

[outer dragon]

The Drifter sure

His ghost? Nope

[ember storm]

why are you calling him “the drifter”

acting like it’s his legal name

his real name is sad rat man who lives in the basement

[idle raptor]

what happened there

[outer dragon]

Germaine

[idle raptor]

why is he not cool with his own ghost

[outer dragon]

Do you want the long or short version?

[idle raptor]

short :3

[ember storm]

he and a crew of other Lightbearers went outside the solar system

they got caught on an ice planet during the red war so they were stranded

drifter ended up having to kill the others and use their ghosts’ remains to modify his own to survive

there were weird monsters on the moon that were probably tormentors and he probably used stasis to fight them but either way he escaped

now his ghost is mute and also very judgmental

they never had a very good relationship to begin with

[fiery copper]

Drifter, The

[outer dragon]

Where is the evidence for him using Stasis back then?

[ember storm]

Germaine Dredgen Hope the Drifter Rat

[ember storm]

he “froze” the monsters

[fiery copper]

He doesn't trust the weird little robot with unexplained powers

[ember storm]

and Elsie contacted him directly to aid in the use of stasis

Eris being the other person who also confirmed encountered stasis beforehand

[fiery copper]

He doesn't like relying on anyone for anything, ever

[static bluff]

germaine goes hard

[ember storm]

reminder stasis wasn’t “invented” in BL

the witness just gave it to us as a handout

it’s been around for ages

Clovis screwed around with it in the golden age

[fiery copper]

Eli, Wu Ming, Germaine, Rat

[outer dragon]

Wu Ming Germaine Dredgen Hope Eli, Drifter, Rat

[fiery copper]

Yes

[outer dragon]

[static bluff]

germaine sweep

[ember storm]

which name was he using when he owned that bar

[fiery copper]

I have a headcanon that drifters human life was the inspiration/origin of the myths about Odysseus

Insanely resourceful guy who literally calls himself "nobody"

[static bluff]

wu ming I think

[outer dragon]

So if Germaine wanted to fit into any particular class, I would say he likely spent a good time training Titan skills given his time spent with Orin in the Pilgrim Guard, a TITAN order.

[fiery copper]

It makes absolutely no sense after more than 10 seconds of thought, but shush I think its funny

[idle raptor]

funny

I side with the ghost

I don't like drifter

[fiery copper]

It also makes sense that Odysseus would be kinda paranoid, his journey was just 50 billion betrayals, subversions, and plot twists in a row

[ember storm]

it was the ghost’s idea

[idle raptor]

I still side with ghost

[fiery copper]

His ghost isn't a pure bastion of innocence

[idle raptor]

not that I'm saying he is

it's just no sane human would go outside of the sol system

[fiery copper]

He fucken JFK'd someone by flying into them really fast

[ember storm]

you’re using that of all things to hate drifter?

why

[idle raptor]

oh no

[fiery copper]

Yeah of all the things

[idle raptor]

I hate drifter because he's been made to be cool and sly when his game mode sucks

[fiery copper]

I like him as a character, I would hate him as a person irl

[ember storm]

gambit is like 5% of his character

if you think he’s made to be “cool” then you really only played the first half of the malfeasance quest and nothing else

his entire character is just trauma

[idle raptor]

his character has been mainly sly gambit rat until abit of BL and season of the deep

[fiery copper]

Ehhhh

No

[ember storm]

it literally hasn’t

do you not remember his whole speech about the little girl dying in his arms

[fiery copper]

His character is "be prepared to gtfo at any moment"

Gambit is his way of easing people into using darkness

[idle raptor]

I actually didn't know that

[fiery copper]

HOWEVER

[ember storm]

like the entirety of season of drifter is about his trauma

why he is the way he is

[idle raptor]

oh wait the message logs

[fiery copper]

Hes had growth over the past 5 years (yes, 5 years)

[ember storm]

he’s also clearly been growing as a person since BL

[high arch]

It's still in the game
The message about the little girl is on a computer things in soujourners camp in the EDZ

[ember storm]

I really don’t care whether or not you like a character but just ignoring everything they’re actually doing is just kinda lame

[fiery copper]

If Eris dies this season, which is being VAGUELY foreshadowed, I'm going to be pissed because she's the big catalyst for drifter's arc

[ember storm]

fuck are you on about

the story is over

[idle raptor]

they teased it wasn't

[fiery copper]

Isn't there a finale ?

End of season

[ember storm]

seasonal finales are never that huge

[idle raptor]

check Twitter

[high arch]

There's occasionally a finale

[ember storm]

in terms of characters been in danger

not at all

[fiery copper]

Fair

[idle raptor]

they keep saying "OOooo season isn't over something is coming guys oOOo"

for some reason

[ember storm]

why would they kill Eris

at all

especially after the whole “I am not what others decide I am what I am”

she’s essentially retired now

[fiery copper]

Shock value

Why did they kill amanda

[idle raptor]

shock value

[ember storm]

if you were “shocked” by Amanda’s death

I don’t even know what to say to you

it was the most telegraphed thing in existence

[fiery copper]

? That was the intent

I said nothing about being shocked

[idle raptor]

the intent isn't the reaction

[fiery copper]

Ye

[ember storm]

why did you say the words shock value

[fiery copper]

Because that's why bungie killed her

[idle raptor]

because they killed Amanda to shock people?

[sonic grove]

same with sticking a knife in someone

[fiery copper]

Thats not the reaction they GOT, but it's the one they TRIED TO GET

[high arch]

What???

[idle raptor]

I don't know what they meant either

just nod your head in agreement

[sonic grove]

you may be intending to kill them, but they may survive

[fiery copper]

It's also the classic trope of "OH LOOK HOW STRONG THIS VILLAIN IS, THEY KILLED THIS OTHER SUPER STRONG PERSON ARENT YOU SCAREEEED?"

[ember storm]

that doesn’t apply literally at all to Amanda

now you’re just making it up

[fiery copper]

Yea

Talking about eris

[high arch]

Eris won't die

[fiery copper]

Xivu just showing up and squishing eris would be a cheap death done for cheap reasons, but honestly current bungie would do it

[idle raptor]

she's done her part until TFS

[outer dragon]

Dude, tell me you haven't read A Man with No Name without saying it.
https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/book-a-man-with-no-name

Go read it

[idle raptor]

I will give it a read right now

better not be disappointing tho

[outer dragon]

Its a very good read

[ember storm]

there’s literally no way you could be

[fiery copper]

Hes called a man with no name, yet he responds to Germaine

Curuoius

[high arch]

Because it's not his name

It's one of many names

[idle raptor]

I've been told the shayura lore was a good read

[fiery copper]

Yea I know

[ember storm]

if all you think drifter’s character amounts to is “cool homeless man” then any actual story he’s in is going to be a good read

[fiery copper]

It's a meme, batman

[high arch]

It really is

[ember storm]

what’s not good about that?

[high arch]

joker I don't understand

[fiery copper]

Well, you see, bat man, it says "he's called a man with no name" because that's what the lore book is called. But he's obviously gone by many names, so it's comedic

[idle raptor]

I mean zealot warlocks that wish to not understand stasis is a cool concept but I was just not drawn to that because I'm not into "black and white" tropes of lore

[high arch]

I can't tell if you're going along with the bit or you thought I didn't know that it meant

[fiery copper]

Yes

[fiery copper]

I'm going with the bit

[ember storm]

the entire point of the lore is going against “black/white” tropes

[high arch]

I forgor what batman says next
Just pretend I said something funny

[idle raptor]

I don't think she even got punished yet

[ember storm]

also Shayura was literally mentally unstable

she was suffering from literal ptsd

[fiery copper]

There is something to be said for pure good and pure evil characters. Sauron is a good villain BECAUSE he isn't gray.

[ember storm]

and distanced herself from her loved ones with furthered her descent

[ember storm]

she definitely has been

the city just doesn’t do public executions

[idle raptor]

did it say anywhere?

[ember storm]

yes?

[fiery copper]

Yeah I forget too but then joker would say "I'm not the one with a secret identity, batman" and get his forehead slammed into a table

[idle raptor]

show?

[ember storm]

I’m starting to think you just don’t look at lore

[high arch]

It's my Pokémon batman I can do what I want

[fiery copper]

JOKER NO-

[idle raptor]

no I just struggle finding a bit where she was punished. I think she was going to be put on trial and given a psychiatrist but I didn't find anything beyond such

[high arch]

She gets whacked in a padded cell for a bit

[ember storm]

she was locked up in therapy for over a year

now only because the literal universe is about to end she’s being given a chance to work, exclusively under the jurisdiction of her fireteam, until the current threat is dealt with

she’s on an incredibly short leash and will be put right back in holding once it’s over

[idle raptor]

okay so she's on a sort of probation

[fiery copper]

Expanding on this, other pure evil villains that only work because they're not gray/sympathetic/etc

The Emperor from the OT
Dark Knight joker
Captain Hook (yes, I'm serious)
Death (Puss in Boots Last Wish)
Cruella De Ville
Maleficent

[ember storm]

eh

why is death in there

[serene swift]

I wouldn’t say death is the pure evil villain in that movie

[fiery copper]

Yes, a lot of them are disney villains that got sympathetic backstories.

Yes, I am salty about all of them.

[serene swift]

Jack Horner should be the pure evil out of the 3

[ember storm]

yeah they literally have Jack Horner for that

they put 3 villains in there explicitly to have the different tropes

[fiery copper]

He's not morally gray, at least. He's purely Death, he has no tragic backstory or motivations

[umbral grove]

Death is just doing his job

[serene swift]

But he’s not pure evil

[ember storm]

sympathetic, antagonistic, literal puppy murderer

[idle raptor]

I'm mostly attracted to purely wretched villains like lich from adventure time

[fiery copper]

Him too, forgot the big man somehow

[fiery copper]

YES

[static bluff]

the joker was trying to help gotham

[serene swift]

He literally changes his mind at the end of movie

[fiery copper]

THE LICH

[idle raptor]

watching the dude have a mental breakdown over his goal being accomplished made me love him more

[fiery copper]

Y E S

Also, the absolutely iconic line that is

"I too, am Doom."
[Falls down the stairs]

[idle raptor]

before descending (gracefully) into the pit

[fiery copper]

True

And the There Were Monsters speech is

[idle raptor]

speaking of black and white

I was gonna get into this game during BL

[fiery copper]

I saw it on youtube before I watched the show, and it was even better with context

Yea

[idle raptor]

but the whole " ohh stasis bad no stasis good no we must use it gray!! " thing turned me off

[fiery copper]

Y e p

[idle raptor]

i do not understand what the vanguard was smoking

[fiery copper]

I mean

[idle raptor]

the collapse supposedly used stasis

[fiery copper]

The Darkness did kinda kill ~8 billion people on earth alone

[ember storm]

the amount of people who didn’t get what was happening there is honestly sad to me

[high arch]

It's on last season or the season before that's trials weapons somewhere

[ember storm]

Zavala makes sure to explicitly state the vanguard’s “official stance” on the matter is that they don’t condone

as in

“this is the public statement we made”

[fiery copper]

It's like if you were channeling the power of megahitler in order to stop racism forever

[ember storm]

Ikora literally says outright during splicer she has no issue with stasis

if the guardian could wield it they literally didn’t care

the only reason Zavala was also angry during WQ with deepsight was because Ikora just never told him about what was happening, which she should’ve just been doing

[fiery copper]

"Yeah don't use it ever"

"...but like when you do use it just be safe"

[idle raptor]

yet there's other people in the vanguard like Shaw Han who have an issue with stasis

[ember storm]

Shaw Han is literally just a field scout

[idle raptor]

did shaxx have an issue? I don't think so

[ember storm]

he has no bearing

no authority

[fiery copper]

Shaw Han can explode for all I care

[ember storm]

he’s just fucking there

[high arch]

Shaw han is not important at all

[ember storm]

it’s his own opinion

One im 99% sure has changed since then

making a real mountain out of a molehill here

[idle raptor]

I'm not making a mountain

[fiery copper]

Shaxx was absolutely hyped when stasis came to the crucible

Direct quote:

"THEY ARE THROWING NEW GRENADES!"

[ember storm]

Shaw Han is a person with opinions

[versed orbit]

no he isn't

[ember storm]

and he just works for the vanguard like literally everybody else

that doesn’t make what he says official or meaningful

it’s just what he thinks

it doesn’t matter

[fiery copper]

Shaw han's purpose in the story is being Just A Dude

Hes a pretty competent dude, he's not exceptional, not special.

[serene swift]

He is a dude being a bro in a place

[versed orbit]

He's a lad

[fiery copper]

Hes a regular ass person

Yeah

Just a lil guy

[ember storm]

even the fact he’s a possible ahamkara killer doesn’t mean a whole lot

every guardian around during the great hunt would’ve been killing them

[idle raptor]

where the heck did that come from

[fiery copper]

Yea

[outer dragon]

Shaw Han looks like he drinks Yungling and tells everyone it tastes better than any other beer.

[ember storm]

a whole species being wiped out is going to take lots of guardians

[fiery copper]

Hes wearing last wish boots with bones on them

[outer dragon]

(It doesn't)

[ember storm]

the LW armor is just reused from the actual great hunt

[fiery copper]

Yeah

[idle raptor]

that's intentional ?

[fiery copper]

We just get it from LW

[outer dragon]

He is wearing YAS

[ember storm]

he’s literally wearing ahamkara bones

[fiery copper]

He is never explicitly stated to have killed an ahamkara

He is however wearing their bones

[ember storm]

if they wanted to give him default armor they would

but they gave him great hunt armor and bones

[idle raptor]

yeah but like you wouldn't figure that it would have any lore semblance

at least I didn't

[serene swift]

So why was riven so cracked? Because she was taken?

[ember storm]

yep

[idle raptor]

I thought he just had a fucking exotic 😭

[ember storm]

exotics exist in lore

[versed orbit]

Ahamkaras were cracked

[ember storm]

also titans still having no ahamkara exotic is funny to me

[fiery copper]

That plus guardians are completely psychotic in-lore and the absolute unmatched hype of the raid team about getting to fight A GOD DAMN SPACE DRAGON fed her wish magic to an ungodly degree.

[serene swift]

If all of them were strong why was the great hunt at all feasible

[serene swift]

Ah okay

[fiery copper]

But in that same vein, we were able to kill her partly BECAUSE of that wish

[ember storm]

ahamkara can change their shape and size depending on what they’re feeding on

[fiery copper]

Riven saw us wanting nothing else than to kill a giant space dragon and went "ok bet"

[ember storm]

six guardians knowing they’d have to fight a taken ahamkara actually boosted her power

but riven wanted to die the whole time

[versed orbit]

They weren't all as strong as Riven

[ember storm]

she was literally begging for us to rip out her heart

[idle raptor]

I was hoping I'd fight a giant space gorilla

[fiery copper]

We have Nezarec

[versed orbit]

I'll reinstall when they let us kill an aphelion

[serene swift]

In lore we were probably briefed on what riven was right

[ember storm]

Petra literally talks when you load up lw

[idle raptor]

that man looks like a beetroot

[fiery copper]

Whose AI is just returning to monke by running up and slapping your shit with a giant scythe

Hes also built like a gorilla

[idle raptor]

true

[serene swift]

She doesn’t mention riven is a dragon

[fiery copper]

Mixed with crash bandicoot

[ember storm]

we know what ahamkara are

the dragon is just slang

they’re not dragons

[serene swift]

Does our guardian know that? I’m aware about the slang part yes

[ember storm]

obviously?

[idle raptor]

plus she looks like a dragon anyway

[ember storm]

why would they not

[fiery copper]

Theyre called Wish-Dragons in The Awoken Of The Reef

[ember storm]

we literally wear ahamkara bones

[idle raptor]

claws of ahamkara my beloved

[serene swift]

Ah I guess, I just… is there like a school guardians go to get caught up once ressed?

[fiery copper]

Skull of dire ahamkara my tragic beloved

[ember storm]

there’s cryptarch and vanguard archives

[idle raptor]

tragic indeed..

[versed orbit]

Marine corps

[fiery copper]

[fiery copper]

Shaw Han

[high arch]

What's like an ahamkaras base form

[ember storm]

essentially the in-universe Ishtar website

[ember storm]

they don’t have one

[versed orbit]

anime girl

[ember storm]

they shapeshift

[idle raptor]

AND THE CYCLE LOOPS AGAIN

[fiery copper]

We do not know, even if there is one

[high arch]

This is the correct answer

[fiery copper]

They apparently hatch from eggs

But other than that, we don't know

[ember storm]

why’d you say apparently

[high arch]

Ok tanks

[idle raptor]

what a silly destiny world we live in

[fiery copper]

It could be like the Great Old Ones from Bloodborne, where they are all unique beings

[ember storm]

we literally destroy 40 of the things

they hatch from eggs

[fiery copper]

I say apparently because it's not intuitive and a lot of people don't know that

[idle raptor]

I don't know shit about ahamkaras

which is why I can't say much on them

[versed orbit]

they're dead

[idle raptor]

they're silly creatures I don't look into

[fiery copper]

Shapeshifting weirdos who eat Wishes and use it to power magic

[ember storm]

how does anyone look at riven and go “ah yes a mammal”

[versed orbit]

they were deemed to dangerous to be left alive

so they got genocided

[idle raptor]

ah

beautiful

[fiery copper]

How do you look at riven and go "ah yes she lays eggs"

[high arch]

Eggs
Reptile

[ember storm]

because she’s clearly reptilian?

[high arch]

Or amphibians

[versed orbit]

mate

[high arch]

Or platypus

[idle raptor]

I look at riven and see a creature that neither lays eggs or is a mammal

[fiery copper]

Bugs, fish, reptiles, birds, platypodes, etc

[idle raptor]

maybe a crocodile

[fiery copper]

All of those lay eggs

[ember storm]

pray tell which of these does riven look like

[outer dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-blondie-the-love-bird-featherless-cute-adorable-gif-16604917

[ember storm]

she’s clearly not a fucking platypus

[fiery copper]

None

[outer dragon]

Behold, a man

[high arch]

You never know

[idle raptor]

she may be a platypus

[ember storm]

you can’t put a fedora on riven and call her perry

it’s not going to work

[fiery copper]

She's got claws

That's it

[echo fjord]

mmmmmm war crimes my favorite

[outer dragon]

You could if you wished it

[high arch]

An ahamkara?
PERRY THE AHAMKARA?!

[fiery copper]

She has mandibles and spider eyes

[idle raptor]

I look at that and see a puppy

:3

( I will get my face torn off )

[fiery copper]

One time i took that one picture of zavala going >:D and used the warp tool in gimp to stretch it over riven

[ember storm]

also nobody answered last time I asked so I’m going to ask again

what’s with the things on Zavala’s neck

[versed orbit]

what things

[fiery copper]

Turtleneck

[ember storm]

you’ve never seen it?

[versed orbit]

zavala's tatted

[high arch]

Show us vvaltz

[fiery copper]

This is the image I was talking about, and you can also see his neck kinda

Turtleneck

[ember storm]

definitely not a tattoo

[fiery copper]

Awoken markings ?

[ember storm]

it has literal depth

[versed orbit]

surely it's mentioned somewhere in the lore

[ember storm]

like that portion of his skin is just gone

[fiery copper]

Nope

[versed orbit]

in some scout rifle lore tab or some shit

[fiery copper]

It almost looks like necrosis

Or some other incredibly horrible medical thing that you'd find on a 2000s shock website

Maybe just a really bad scar?

Some scars do that, they're slightly concave

I have one on my knee from learning and failing to ride a bike as a kid

[high arch]

Idk
Side effects from eating various arts and crafts materials with other titans

[ember storm]

it’s the exact same on the opposite side

[fiery copper]

Went all the way through the neck

[empty fern]

Like a branding iron?

Iron banner weird back then?

[chrome fog]

Wdym, at the very end they said they were proud of him?

[outer dragon]

Germaine's ghost?

The Drifter

[chrome fog]

Yeah, that's the last thing they were able to say to him

[outer dragon]

Ima need a link for that

Not that I don't believe you

Just need the lore tab/page

[chrome fog]

The same one where they strap the ghost pieces onto the ghost; that was even the ghost's idea

Uuuhhhh

[ember storm]

the ghost did say that

drifter believes it to be "the last lie they ever told"

so

[chrome fog]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/outlawed-reaper-bond

[chrome fog]

Drifter's always going on about self-reliance but more and more we see him cooperating and volunteering to help. Even if this was way before, I still think he took those words to heart

[dim minnow]

I really do appreciate that character development

I wonder if he will reconcile with his Ghost

[jagged badge]

I didn’t realise until this Tuesday his Ghost was female

Or…feminine? I dunno how to describe Ghost gender lmao

[sterile jasper]

See this got me confused

On the left is whats supposed to be the remains of a Jjaro from Marathon

Specifically a marathon 2 chapter screen

And we all know the vex

But they look so awfully similar

And we only see the jjaro ever once, and in that screen

[empty fern]

Leaps are weird, but I see the prec vex ye

[blazing wasp]

Looks closer to the doom cultists

[blazing wasp]

Not to mention that those are robots aren't they? On the left

[sterile jasper]

Both have technology to transcend time

[sterile jasper]

What robots? The jjaro? We only know they were technologically advanced

[blazing wasp]

Ah

[sterile jasper]

And we know that similar races like the Spht use their technology in their image

[blazing wasp]

Well I mean, vex aren't robots

[sterile jasper]

Neither are the Jjaro

[blazing wasp]

Is what i was going for

[sterile jasper]

But what confused me

Was their motives arent similar are they?

[trim grotto]

Looks like a S'pht to me. A variation of one, that is.

[sterile jasper]

The jjaro wanted to prevent the universe from being destroyed by the Wrkncacnter so they trapped it inside a star

[blazing wasp]

We're the jjaro a mindless omnicidal species

[trim grotto]

The opposite

[sterile jasper]

No

Yea very opposite

[blazing wasp]

Then I don't see the relation to vex motive

[sterile jasper]

Me neither

[blazing wasp]

So-

Ok you lost me

[sterile jasper]

What was the vex motives though

What do they want exactly, its been a while

[blazing wasp]

Make everything vex, if it can't be vex, kill it

[trim grotto]

The Vex are a... they want to make the universe into Vex. The majority of the Vex seek the Convergence, which is when all of the universe is known, simulated, made into Vex.

[sterile jasper]

Hmm

[trim grotto]

It's essentially their version of a Final Shape.

[blazing wasp]

Ever watched the digital circus

[sterile jasper]

Ig then there cant be a way to connect them

[sterile jasper]

Yeah

[blazing wasp]

It's like the glorbs but on steroids

[sterile jasper]

Ok

Makes more sense

The fallen are also odd

[blazing wasp]

Design similarities aren't too surprising since both are bungie

[sterile jasper]

Lots of the pfhor look like them, but the world Riis is nothing described like the Pfhor homeworld

[blazing wasp]

Their goal is mostly "don't become extinct", some are "kill traveler witness pog"

[sterile jasper]

Destabilize the universe any %

[blazing wasp]

If that's their goal they're doing a shit job acting like it

[jagged badge]

[sterile jasper]

Yeah lmao

[blazing wasp]

I hate that, thanks

The eliksni are mostly "ayo dying is cringe how about we don't do that"

[jagged badge]

You’re welcome

[sterile jasper]

They chill

[trim grotto]

While I appreciate physical design similarities, the actual beings have diverged significantly from their conceptual origins

[blazing wasp]

We got 3 different eliksni kinda fellers
Aggressive
Neutral
Allies

[ember storm]

hm

[sterile jasper]

Which is making me really wonder, especially with how similar the darkness is to the wrkncacnter

[blazing wasp]

Neutral being more on the Aggressive side but

[ember storm]

i see neutral more as spider and his associates

[blazing wasp]

Yea

[ember storm]

cooperate when it's convenient to them

[blazing wasp]

Forgot about him

[sterile jasper]

Cash money

💰

[ember storm]

dusk is included in aggressive since they actively loot and shoot on sight

they're very much not neutral

[trim grotto]

They always seemed similar to the Pyramids to me, but Pyramids and the Darkness has since evolved since then, in Destiny's universe.

[blazing wasp]

In his defence he's technically transparent by not bring able to hide his intentions

[ember storm]

in my offense he was very rude to glint

he deserves death

[blazing wasp]

Yea I was tryna formulate how they're not actively seeking our destruction, the priority is self preservation

[sterile jasper]

Honestly thats respectable

[blazing wasp]

House light are cooler fellas

[sterile jasper]

Mithrax and gang

[blazing wasp]

Active contributing House to us

[ember storm]

very cool to bring your 7 children and wear them at all times when you're on active duty as a guard in the tower equipped with weaponry

[blazing wasp]

Thats-

Hm

[sterile jasper]

Free armor

[blazing wasp]

Well cooler than trying to kill us

Cooler than trying to bomb the city and our snow globe goddess

[sterile jasper]

Honestly im ok with that

Facts

[chrome fog]

The Eliksni are mostly just refugees who took to the approach of piracy and warbanding

[chrome fog]

I’ll admit I don’t have much Marathon knowledge, but any motive by the Darkness has since been revealed to be the Witness pushing its will through the Darkness

[ember storm]

that made them not refugees and instead pirates and warriors

[sterile jasper]

Yeah

I dunno as the story changes for destiny each time it seemingly becomes harder to connect it than i was able to before

I love destiny, i love the detailed worlds bungie has created and always creates, but i think its fun to try and connect them all somehow in a mostly legit way, even if there are holes of knowledge just lying around that have to be overlooked otherwise it might not be feasible

[fresh zephyr]

Who the fuck is that goddamn Crota?

[ember storm]

if only he literally had it in his ingame title

[trim grotto]

David
Will you ask like a normal person

[ember storm]

something that says like

i don't know

SON OF ORYX

[fresh zephyr]

Who is Crota?

[ember storm]

son of oryx

[fresh zephyr]

Who the fuck is Oryx?

[trim grotto]

Hive God. Son of Oryx, the Taken King. Died years ago.

[ember storm]

the hive's previous god king

[fresh zephyr]

In Destiny 1 i guess

[ember storm]

both literally have their raids in the game

crota's end and kings fall

[trim grotto]

Hive God. One of the original Hive siblings, brother of Savathûn and Xivu Arath.

[ember storm]

you can encounter and kill both

in D2

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[chrome fog]

I like to think of these plot holes as loops for them to tie back into

[chrome fog]

You might be surprised but there’s a lot of lore in D2 dependent on D1 events

[fresh zephyr]

I know

[ember storm]

events which aren't particularly relevant to the now

in fact majority of big events never happened in D1 gameplay

you don't see the fall of riis or the creation of the hive in D1

they're all old stories you had to go to a separate website to view

[fresh zephyr]

Definition of the Hive?

[dim minnow]

as in the species?

[fresh zephyr]

Yes

[dim minnow]

and what exactly do you mean by definition?

[fresh zephyr]

What's the Hive?

[dim minnow]

the Hive are an alien race that has been systematically wiping out other races for billions of years

they do this because they adhere to the Sword Logic which dictates that everything must prove their right to exist

to the Hive, this means that they kill something and get stronger from it

and this works because each Hive ingests a worm larvae

this larvae feeds on their killing and in return, it grants them power

the main Hive gods, Oryx, Savathun, and Xivu Arath all had unique morphs which made it so that their worm gets fed if they also follow their nature

so Oryx has to always satisfy his curiosity, Savathun has to always be cunning, and Xivu Arath grows stronger from war itself

@fresh zephyr

[fresh zephyr]

Thanks...

[stiff basin]

question

[fiery copper]

answer

[stiff basin]

why isn't osiris mentioned in the dark timeline

[dim minnow]

lot of people don't get mentioned

presumably dead

[stiff basin]

but osiris is an important character

they would atleast say something

[dim minnow]

in the Dark Future, Calus ran away somewhere and Savathun became Eris' pet

[stiff basin]

i know

[dim minnow]

Drifter froze to death alone on Europa

[ember storm]

he presumably just died off in the infinite forest

he only ever left because we helped him during CoO

[chrome fog]

Some timelines also ignore other major characters; in any case, yeah he's probably dead when Elsie writes down the Dark Futures entries

[jagged badge]

Well, they don’t, so

[stiff basin]

Also the vex in the echoes episode looks like evil osiris

I might be going insane

[fiery copper]

Yes

[jagged badge]

I fail to see the Osiris there

[fiery copper]

They are, in fact, going insane

[empty fern]

We all are

[echo fjord]

nope

im mentally sane

[chrome fog]

Not if you’re into Destiny lore

[sterile jasper]

Every bungie fan trying to understand the lore to one of their games (they live in a mental asylum)

[chrome fog]

Call me the Joker the way I have the lore of both real life and several media properties committed to memory

[sterile jasper]

Me remembering actual history:

Me remembering the lore to any video game series:

[trim grotto]

I can certainly remember Destiny lore far more than actual history, haha.

[sterile jasper]

Honestly i just need a few reads now, but i have the generals down

Its been sometime

I used to go off on lore lol

[trim grotto]

Well, if you ever need a question answered, feel free to ask.

[urban light]

I just saw a lore entry stating the implication that Hive are terrified of Fusion rifle weapons as it disintigrates their bodies, ruining their afterlife. I think thats super cool tbh

[trim grotto]

"Are you interested in Hive rumors, Guardian? Did you know they fear our fusion weapons? Superstition states disintegrations yield no soulfire. Untrue, but fear is a weapon we can use." —Eris Morn
From a bounty from Season of Arrivals, yes

[urban light]

neat

[sterile jasper]

[cinder kite]

were crota and omnigul an item? lol

[trim grotto]

Pretty much. She was the queen of his brood.

[cinder kite]

oh cool i never knew that, i thought she was another one of the daughters

[chrome fog]

You fight Crota’s daughter in a strike 😊

[urban light]

tbh, I don't think the Hive have standards in that regard

[dim minnow]

one of them

you fight another in a story mission

and the last two were knocked off by Osiris

there is a small chance that Kinox survived though

[real ingot]

retired to Efrideet's pacifists

[chrome fog]

Only if you’re good enough to be considered one out of the many in their brood

[sterile jasper]

Damn didnt know crota gettin sturdy to have so many kids💀

I knew he had some

But damn

[cinder kite]

hes a family man

[smoky rose]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1119631517287727225/1138321177480265748/image.png?ex=65407c35&is=652e0735&hm=46c6c4b6b66c028b80d28b5ec984e69153f15bb07d96a360e112133324754a06&

Say hello to my shitty family tree

[chrome fog]

That's only for recognized family members, much of the other literal children were probably the ads you fought against when killing them

[ember storm]

completely forgot about balwur

[neat willow]

What season did we capture Immaru?

I kinda missed that part 💀

[chrome fog]

This one

He's been hovering around the Throneworld since Witch Queen but we had Savathun's remains on lock down

We brought her out of cold storage for the season finale and now she's given us Immaru to keep on hand in-case she ever acts out of the Vanguard's desires, which she isn't currently doing but might do so in the future. Or not, who can say

[neat willow]

Gotcha gotcha

[stiff basin]

1st this vex has no eyes 2nd it's bald and it has feathers and some egyption looking things on it 3rd maybe it's evil osiris from the dark timeline

[real ingot]

sir this is concept art

[jagged badge]

???

Okay, first of all, how does “no eyes” mean it’s Osiris?

Second, where are you seeing feathers or “Egyptian looking things” on it?

[trim grotto]

Yeah I see neither of those

Also there have been countless "dark timelines"

[jagged badge]

And there’s no indication they can be travelled between considering Elsie experienced them only through a time loop

We don’t even know if they continue on without her, right?

[trim grotto]

We have no evidence either way.

[jagged badge]

Right. I suppose Bungie could make that a plot point if they wanted

[real ingot]

edgy theory for the sake of being edgy

[jagged badge]

But in this case yeah there is nothing suggesting that’s Osiris lmao

[blazing wasp]

If it's vex him being relevant to the story is... possible, but he won't be some evil badguy I reckon

[slim elk]

My bet is its Praedyth

Big loose end there with the Ishtar AI and running around timelines

Seems to be the theme with the episodes. Tie up the loose ends
Praedyth with Vex
Fikrul with Scorn
And Savathun-Xivu with Hive

[ember storm]

my spinfoil theory is a psion abusing the vex network akin to the mindbender

[chrome fog]

See, we keep saying it’ll tie up loose ends but we seem to forget they’re still continuing past the three episodes. They’re going to have to set up new stakes while laying to rest old ones

I’m guessing Episode one will have us find out what’s happened to all those individuals who got lost in the Vex Network, and we’ll end up meeting with our first Vex Characters with actual characterization

[ember storm]

I dunno they might go the annual pass approach

no direct connection other than “now that the witness is gone everything is still fucked”

[tawdry mauve]

Drew like a dark, fucked up version of Osiris haha. Just a glimpse into my dark reality

[outer dragon]

So episodes are launching with TFS?

[tawdry mauve]

not exactly

first episode is around march

and tfs is february

they are separate self contained experiences

[outer dragon]

I do have a new lore question
Truce and Cowlick
Is there any lore on them other than the Hidden Dossier from WQ?

[trim grotto]

Truce was a member of Lord Shaxx's fireteam that took back the Wall and saved the City in the Battle of Twilight Gap.

Along with others such as Abdi, Nkechi-32, Ana Bray, and... Liu Feng.

Pretty sure I spelled them all correctly.

[dim minnow]

I like how the starting area for Seraph's Shield was called "Nkechi's Cut"

it was a cool reference

[uneven canyon]

Who was praydeth

Pradeth?

[dim minnow]

who?

I don't remember anyone like that existing

I'm joking though

the joke is that Praedyth got "erased" by the VoG so hardly anyone remembers him

in universe

at least until that one mission in D1

so basically, a while ago prior to the first game's story, there was a fireteam who went into the Vault of Glass

this fireteam consisted of Kabr, Praedyth, and Pahanin

[uneven canyon]

Yeah, they got erased by the gorgons

But did they come back?

[dim minnow]

there is a chance there were others with them, but we don't know if that was the case

[dim minnow]

not exactly

so Pahanin actually did make it out of the Vault

[trim grotto]

Poor Pahanin.

[dim minnow]

Kabr drank Vex Milk and sacrificed the last of his Light to create the Aegis, the shield we use in the raid

[real ingot]

They didn't even reach Gorgons I'm pretty sure

[dim minnow]

yeah, I think they were stopped at Templar room

anyways, it seems that "Kabr" is still alive even after vanishing

I use quotation marks because Kabr stated that we should not trust him if we ever hear him again

so anyways, hoping for a Vex dungeon where we deal with this fake Kabr

maybe Bungie can make that fake VoG boss rumor canon

what was he called again?

Xylar, the Timeless?

anyways

back to Praedyth

Praedyth would get imprisoned by the Vex in the VoG where he would end up coming into contact with several simulations of a Golden Age Ishtar research team

which included Maya Sundaresh and her wife, Chioma Esi

[chrome fog]

They’re most notable in recent lore as being the founders of Neomuna along with everyone else on the colony ship sent by Soteria

Soteria herself being an AI co-developed by Clovis Bray and the Ishtar Team, using their research on the Vex and Clovis’ Warmind project

[stuck spoke]

aight so

whats a headless

[trim grotto]

That's been the running joke for three years including this year

We don't actually know

Just theories floating around

[idle raptor]

yeah we do

they're the spirits of hall between

[jagged badge]

[little gorge]

obviously starhorse sent them from the paraverse

smh

[ember storm]

it's kind of dumb of bungie to toss in the most plausible while funny theory in year 1 and then never bring it up again

that being they're all random experiments of nokris who did it just because he wanted to

still the only one i really acknowledge

[little gorge]

but the hall between!!!!

[slim elk]

Bungie got really lazy this year
No new sectors and literally splicing Immaru in between old dialogue

So doesn't suprise me have some dumb writing choices

[chrome fog]

Hush you, do you want them to work on Final Shape or reworking the Festival of the Lost module that they’ve been using which everyone’s ok with?

[slim elk]

How does writing choices and literally spliced dialogue involve that? Lol

[ember storm]

i mean they're literally reworking the entire seasonal model because it's not very good whilst making FS so

[blazing wasp]

Man, discord mobile doesn't allow viewing blocked messages and unblocking people

[ember storm]

hey uke

[blazing wasp]

Hey waltz

[ember storm]

guess what

[blazing wasp]

What

[ember storm]

chicken

[blazing wasp]

Will those be your last words

[ember storm]

but also y'know we got new shaxx dialogue

for the first time in three years

and it's fucking haunted sectors

[blazing wasp]

[ember storm]

but also it probably means we'll be getting more shaxx stuff since he was available

y'know what people have been theorizing for next season?

ahamkara

what's the one thing that shaxx has hanging around that never got followed up on?

[idle raptor]

most menacing question

[chrome fog]

Cause they made these changes months in advance so that they would have time to work on other stuff; “uGh WhY dOeS tHiS eVeNt FeEl LoW eFfOrT?” Maybe it’s because they’re not focusing on it as much as something with greater priority, like say, new seasonal models and the upcoming expansion after the last one was met by everyone whining like you are

Backseat devs sure do love talking

[slim elk]

So you changed from "everyone's OK with" to "everyone whining?"

[chrome fog]

Just shut up

[slim elk]

At least be consistent with your antagonizing attempts troll

[chrome fog]

You are a contrarian who works to turn discussion in your favor because you can’t handle being wrong well and it’s irritating and annoying as it facilitates others to follow your example and makes discussion all the more impossible. Shut your dumb fucking mouth and learn to be coherent. No wonder you got kicked from the Ishtar and Mare servers for being insufferable

[ember storm]

this must be the work of rahool

[tawdry mauve]

also damn dawg

didnt have to cut that deep 💀

[ember storm]

let’s talk about doghives

I love doghives

[chrome fog]

Having a discussion with this fucker is like talking to a toddler who says that they were right all along despite them being completely incorrect, which they justify by spouting out your own argument against you like you didn’t just fucking say it

Literally every fucking time with their dumb “aye” like they’re buddies with you when no, you just hijacked what I was saying like you were saying the same thing all along

[slim elk]

Do question why you unblocked the messages just to go aggressive on me.

[chrome fog]

But it doesn’t technically break any rules so they get to get away with it while taunting anyone they frustrate by calling them trolls like they have no other rebuttals

[chrome fog]

Shut the fuck up your opinion is fluid and flimsy like the personality you probably shat out

[empty fern]

Rare lore moments

[chrome fog]

In other news, I read the Buzzard’s lore tab and enjoyed it

[rich veldt]

we love doghives and cowthings here

[echo fjord]

most normal discord discussion

[empty fern]

And rabbit embryos

[real ingot]

Lore chat I get we all hate each other

But please

No

[empty fern]

You late

[real ingot]

Bad Timezone

[chrome fog]

Immaru is such a little shit and it's delightful

[versed orbit]

this guy gets it

[versed orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-guido-we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-20839544

[chrome fog]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

Uh, regulars, what do we think about the monstrosity Immaru is cooking up in the indisclosed closet he's in?

[outer dragon]

I think it's funny as shit

Immaru roping Archie in on it too

[chrome fog]

He's so mean to Glint and Eido, he's such a bastard

[outer dragon]

Immaru knows that he can get away with it though

[chrome fog]

Drifter has to let us know if there's any way to mute a ghost without allowing access to Stasis

[outer dragon]

Just use the cage tech

Shrimple as

[dim minnow]

Immaru when left to his own devices went and made a great value headless one out of Headless One remains, Vex milk, and other alien remains

and all that damn thing wanted to do was eat candy

you know, I did kind of like this year's Festival lore book

but even I must admit that it felt really out of place in this game

[static bluff]

I'm just going to think of it as a hall between story that eido wrote

although I'm missing 3 or 4 pages so I don't know what happens after the monstrosity is killed

hopefully it won't ruin my outlook

[chrome fog]

I want it to be real so that Immaru continues to be a failure

And also funny alien hybrid monster thing that just wants candy

And it makes that voiceline for the Cabal Cave Hunted Sector much more funnier

[echo fjord]

hes fucking based that's what he is

[dim minnow]

he doesn't even know where the Headless Ones came from

useless

I'm still convinced that Nokris was the one who made them

[chrome fog]

No he’s just a meanie, fucker can’t shut up

[sterile jasper]

First time through i had a laugh

[sterile jasper]

Its spooky month

Its silly times

Lets all ignore the traveler and just celebrate halloween!

I wonder how this will ever fit in the lore with whats happening rn in game

Probably not

[trim grotto]

To be fair, we're kinda at an impasse. We don't know what do do next, the Traveler can't be entered, and our enemies have been warded off for now.

[sterile jasper]

Yeah

But only for now

And we gotta act

We dunno whats going to happen next

[trim grotto]

Indeed. But we have our planners working on what's next, leaving the average joe Guardian to... well, do what Guardians do, in the meantime.

[sterile jasper]

Loot and scoot

I think it was made fun of in the Cabal version of the Lost Sector that we’re doing this whole thing because loot is involved

Or was it another

I cant remember it was a rush