#📚lore-discussion

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grizzled zinc
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Thought that was a calus-exclusive feat

dim minnow
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here's an interesting lore question for you guys

grizzled zinc
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So rhulk brought them into a golden age, then they collapsed because they reached his limit for things to teach

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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Sounds like her

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Or oryx

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Cuz that’s kinda the hive ideology

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“Everything must be forced to fight for the right to exist”

dim minnow
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wrong, it originated from the Leviathan

grizzled zinc
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🗿

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Huh

dim minnow
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++Existence is the struggle to exist—
—When the struggle seems lost++
++when the safe place crumbles—
—everything turns to the Deep to survive++

++I REJECT THE DEEP CLAIM++```
grizzled zinc
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What is the leviathan, since i doubt a space freighter can consider ideology

dim minnow
ember storm
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do we know if it was a proto worm or not

dim minnow
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the one that was supposed to keep an eye on the Worm Gods

dim minnow
ember storm
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well we know it has bones

grizzled zinc
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So the thing the spaceship was modeled after?

ember storm
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no

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leviathan is just a word

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
tawdry mauve
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dune

ember storm
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you can see images of them all over the walls and pots in the levi, yeah

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beeg worms

grizzled zinc
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I suppose that makes sense

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So is the bow refering to the being or the freighter?

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It was made by the cabal so i assume it’s the latter

dim minnow
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the Leviathan's Breath bow?

grizzled zinc
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Yea

dim minnow
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yeah, I presume it refers to the ship

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the bow was owned by one of Calus' shadows

grizzled zinc
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I see

tawdry mauve
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it was found by banshee during the red war right?

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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So the shadows are like cabal headhunters?

ember storm
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she was sent to assassinate ghaul

ember storm
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this one specifically was an assassin

dim minnow
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the shadow's name was Voyc, and she was Calus' huntmaster

tawdry mauve
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the psions are really something huh

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
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she was sent to kill Ghaul too

ember storm
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calus wanted shadows from everything he could have

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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it's why he enslaved a race of sentient arc energy

grizzled zinc
real ingot
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Shadows are kinda Calus' version of disciples

dim minnow
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Voyc was dubbed, "the Shadow of the Wilds"

real ingot
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Since he was a massive Witness simp

grizzled zinc
real ingot
dim minnow
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he didn't even know the Witness existed until the Glykon incident though

real ingot
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That is the lore behind Calus

ember storm
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it's literally the only reason he did what he did after being exiled

real ingot
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fat, depression, Witness stan

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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it was his misunderstanding too

dim minnow
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though he did technically first meet it at the Black Edge

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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he just didn't get what the witness was

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whether it was his own misconception or just a lie he thought it to be the darkness

dim minnow
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looking at the Levi Breath lore tab, Voyc was no joke so it leads one to wonder how she failed to kill Ghaul in the first place

ember storm
grizzled zinc
ember storm
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no he literally just thought the witness was the darkness

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
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no one gets the Witness

dim minnow
ember storm
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which was years and years after

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post-arrivals

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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in which he clearly dictates he felt lied to

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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it stared back touches upon his thoughts

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At the edge of the universe, we had found something. No—we had found a nothing. From the seat of my observation chamber, I stared into the perfect void. Only I, a god, could understand what I witnessed. It was a thing greater than myself. And if such a thing exists, then I, too, can become more.

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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and then his conversation with Katabasis expands on it

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"When the Darkness found me adrift in the cosmos, rejected by a people I had made, I thought to have found a confidant. No—an idol. They promised to return to me, to uplift me—that we may dance together among the stars and drink of their dying ecstasy 'til the end, as one. But their chilling little fleet came and went. It was luscious, and so many tasted so much. Yet I am empty. Nothing. Trapped in this limbo of their lie."

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he just thought it was "The Darkness"™️

grizzled zinc
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I didn’t know his vanity was so unlimited

ember storm
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it's calus

grizzled zinc
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True

ember storm
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that's literally his entire character

grizzled zinc
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Also being fake-generous

ember storm
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bungie spelled it out in the most basic way possible by showing him stealing his infant daughter's food

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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the lightfall cutscene

grizzled zinc
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I don’t rember

ember storm
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they're also sitting by the dog that caiatl loved

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and calus subsequently had gutted

grizzled zinc
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I might’ve skipped over it lol

I played through the dlc 3 times so idk how i would miss that

dim minnow
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isn't Calus so emotionally crippled that even the Ahamkara bone he wished too wasn't very effective?

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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war beast

dim minnow
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war beasts are Cabal dogs

grizzled zinc
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Mfw iron war beasts appeared

ember storm
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i just mean it wasn't a literal labrador retriever, it was the creature we call war beasts

grizzled zinc
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Yea

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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I never got the sadistic vibe from him

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Ohh

ember storm
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she wasn't fitting the perfect picture he had of her and was persuing her own interests

dim minnow
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he didn't like that Caiatl loved the dog more than him

grizzled zinc
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So he’s just a jealous manchild

dim minnow
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and he wonders why that is the case

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
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he just really wants to feel emotions, but has a lot of trouble doing so

ember storm
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because he sucks

grizzled zinc
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I actually really like calus as a character

dim minnow
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he wants to love Caiatl, but goes about it in the worst way possible

ember storm
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i just wish his boss fight was actually good

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the concept art is amazing

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flying around on a big chair, vomiting flaming wine, shooting lasers, turning into a grotesque fleshpile

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but no

grizzled zinc
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A being who’s so deep in his sea of riches that he cannot see his family or his morality behind it’s waves.

dim minnow
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Caiatl even gave him one last chance, but then she, in her own words, realized that "my father was full of shit"

ember storm
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colossus with rhulk power

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so fun

grizzled zinc
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The boss fight was ass

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Idk how bungo could do a former raid boss (sorta) like that

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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“My semblance matches my inner beauty”

ember storm
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but only one foot

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true opulence

grizzled zinc
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He’s like… so clearly trying to mend his shattered mind with earthly pleasures and extreme feats of wealth, but can’t see that nothing will ever be enough to fill the void.

grizzled zinc
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Doesn’t calus like… treat his subjects really well though?

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I rember him saying that in haunted

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That he showered his allies in glory and wealth

ember storm
real ingot
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He only sacrificed the people that remained loyal to him

grizzled zinc
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🗿

real ingot
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to replace them with mindless clones

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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So he was lying in haunted then?

ember storm
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the only "supporters" he had left in haunted were literally clones without higher brain function

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they were programmed

dim minnow
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either he treats them well, or not too well

grizzled zinc
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Ohyea i forget that calus made heavy use of cloning

real ingot
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that's pretty much why the Witness went to him after they failed with Us and Mara

dim minnow
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the ironic part about this is that Duality showed that Calus truly feels remorse for his actions

grizzled zinc
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Why did calus want to control the hive with the crown again?

ember storm
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it's calus

real ingot
ember storm
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he wants things

dim minnow
ember storm
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he literally just looks at people and goes "i want one of those"

real ingot
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Calus making Gahlran was by far the smartest thing he did

dim minnow
ember storm
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again, enslaved a sentient race of arc energy

real ingot
dim minnow
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I mean, yeah it was smart to not wear the crown himself

grizzled zinc
grizzled zinc
ember storm
dim minnow
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but Gahlran just became a problem

ember storm
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if calus was legitimately smart he just wouldn't have put the crown on anyone

dim minnow
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that we had to deal with

ember storm
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he knew fully well it was a trap

real ingot
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I never said he was smart I just said it was the smartest thing he did

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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his solution was just "eh i can probably control the person who puts it on instead"

dim minnow
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let's be real, just about anyone would know the crown was a trap

ember storm
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spoiler alert

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he didn't

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and thus the most beautiful cabal was born

real ingot
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I mean hey we got a fun boss from it

dim minnow
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and Calus felt bad about what he did to Gahlran

grizzled zinc
ember storm
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in less than an hour from his birth he was driven mad and lost all sense of self

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truly amazing

dim minnow
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the guy was literally minutes old when he forced the crown on him

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
ember storm
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none of those clones were mindless

dim minnow
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and again, Duality objective flavor text

grizzled zinc
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“Programmed” is the word you used, so yeah forget i said mindless

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Duality’s name refers to calus’s vanity but also how his failures haunt him, the duality of calus’s mind, no?

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Also, what is egregore in destiny?(as opposed to egregore in other fiction)

dim minnow
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also, if you pull out your ghost to look at the flavor text of each objective, you get some insight into Calus' regrets

dim minnow
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live in ignorance

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and purchase your happiness

grizzled zinc
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THEY CANNOT MAKE THE JUDGEMENT CALL

dim minnow
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GIVE UP FREE WILL FOREVER
YOUR VOICES WON'T BE HEARD AT ALL

grizzled zinc
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YEA

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So things consumed by the egregore become a part of it’s collective hivemind?

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It’s like the vex in a way then.

dim minnow
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like how Calus was trying to link the Leviathan with the Moon Pyramid

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or how we use egregore coral to link Sloane and Ahsa's minds

grizzled zinc
grizzled zinc
dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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I see

dim minnow
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hmmm

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I wonder if egregore originated from the Veil

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since the Veil is a cosmic collective conciousness

grizzled zinc
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When did egregore first come into play?

dim minnow
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it was all over the Glykon

grizzled zinc
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And the glykon was full of… were the scorn there nightmares?

dim minnow
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though I don't think it was used by Calus to merge the captured Scorn minds

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
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I see

dim minnow
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Calus used the Crown of Sorrow to merge their minds

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after his psions removed the dangerous Hive runes from it

grizzled zinc
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I see

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Interesting that psions can just remove hive runes like that lol

dim minnow
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well it took some time for them to do it

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and after Calus learned what it did

grizzled zinc
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I see

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Maybe egregore is a product of nezarec?

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It does seem focused on pain and the leviathan is consumed by nightmares

dim minnow
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I'd argue that nightmares are a destructive form of Deepsight

real ingot
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The Leviathan attuned with the Pyramid

stone turtle
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Is there a reason for the Leviathan still orbiting the moon?

grizzled zinc
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Well

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Nobody’s on it

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For one

real ingot
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We haven't bothered with it

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Calus left it

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everything's gone

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things just a party ship as well

grizzled zinc
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It’s probably consumed by egregore and nightmares now

dim minnow
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Mara's probably looking at it like: "It's free real estate"

grizzled zinc
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I imagine it was just a cabal freighter that he modified

dim minnow
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it was a pleasure barge turned prison

grizzled zinc
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I see

real ingot
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it was sent to nowhere

stone turtle
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crazy how the Leviathan is like 7 plants long, could be wrong

grizzled zinc
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Why does a pleasure barge have the ability to chow down small planets?

real ingot
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he'd die alone in space

grizzled zinc
stone turtle
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well yeah

real ingot
grizzled zinc
real ingot
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Nessus is the size of LA

grizzled zinc
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🗿

real ingot
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or Melbourne

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Nessus is tiny

grizzled zinc
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Ok so up until now i did not know what nessus actually was

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I assumed it was a moon or planet that the vex sipped up

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It’s an asteriod

dim minnow
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Nessus is very small in real life

grizzled zinc
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So it eats asteroid belts then?

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I always imagined it was on the scale where it could just inhale a moon or small planet

ember storm
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it eats worlds

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just not whole

grizzled zinc
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Cuz the cabal kinda have the ability to make things of that scale

dim minnow
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it doesn't just swallow worlds whole

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it slurps up the planet piece-by piece

grizzled zinc
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Do we know how long it takes for it to eat a planet?

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That’s always confused me with the cabal

dim minnow
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with the Leviathan, I think it would be a long-term thing

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again, the Leviathan was never made to be a warship

grizzled zinc
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They can build collosal machines and are an interstellar empire, and yet we don’t have any scale afaik to how long it takes for those things to be built and how long their military campaigns are

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It’s a party cruiser yeah

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Hmm,

Is the leviathan the only one of it’s kind, or do the cabal presumably have many more in their empire?

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The cabal feels like they take a bunch of inspiration from the imperium of man in WH40K

ember storm
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just the one

grizzled zinc
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As well as massive structures and war machines

grizzled zinc
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It was more like a private pleasure freighter for calus then?

ember storm
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reused i think

fresh zephyr
real ingot
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Moon orbit

grizzled zinc
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Yeah it’s chilling in the skybox of the moon now

fresh zephyr
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what happens if bungie decides to be special and allows crota to block with his sword?

ember storm
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you take it up in the game discussion channel probably

outer dragon
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I know powerscaling is a bit of a touchy subject but i want opinions.
Who wins in a 1v1
A Eliksni Capitan or a Sangheili Elite?

dim minnow
outer dragon
dim minnow
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I'd say that the average Eliksni captain could match for an Elite minor

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though the extra arms and teleportation technology do give the captain an advantage

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no way a normal captain is 9 feet tall

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hold on, I'm looking up size comparisons

outer dragon
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What rank Elite gets the invisibility tech?

dim minnow
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ok, so apparently the average elite would be between 7 foot 4 and 8 foot 6

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while captains would be around 9 feet

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at least that's what google is telling me

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so captains already have a good size advantage

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and the four arms

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and the aforementioned teleportation tech

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not sure how their weapons compare, but they both have energy shields

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fallen shock blades can kill ghosts, so I'd say Fallen weaponry matches up

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ok, so I think a regular Eliksni captain can take on a regular elite minor

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the next regular rank up from minor would be a major which would be a much tougher opponent

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it's stated that a single major can take on an entire squad of marines

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so anything higher than a major can likely beat a captain

outer dragon
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Yeah thats kinda what I was thinking

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Elite invis is better than Eliksni rightÂż

dim minnow
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not sure how stealth tech holds up between universes

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does Halo have transmat technology?

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like on the scale we see Guardians/Eliksni use?

grizzled zinc
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I do not believe so

slim elk
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At most we have some teleport tech in Halo

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Most iconically used by Gravemind to teleport Arbiter and the Chief....

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And the time Cortana dropped Chief upside down

grizzled zinc
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I feel like that’s a bit of a weird example

The gravemind

And cortana

outer dragon
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The Forerunners had Teleportation tech but it was between fixed locations

trim grotto
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your face is a fixed location

outer dragon
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But yeah Destiny Transmat tech doesn't have an equivalent in Halo

dim minnow
trim grotto
outer dragon
grizzled zinc
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But transmat tech is usually way better

outer dragon
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Yup

dim minnow
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Clovis was making a gun that can shoot across the damn galaxy and his bitch of a granddaughter had to throw a hissy fit which is why we had to settle with a shitty NTTE catalyst instead

outer dragon
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LOL

grizzled zinc
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That’s what NTTE was originally going to become?

dim minnow
# grizzled zinc Wait what

the quest for the NTTE catalyst explains that Clovis was making a gun that can basically shoot anywhere, including very far distances

outer dragon
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How do yall think Clovis would have developed/weaponized the Portal gun

grizzled zinc
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Well shit it already does that in crucible

grizzled zinc
dim minnow
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"The mass driver's design is highly scalable. Were they able to compile the data and understand the design, House Salvation could use it to build weapon systems capable of firing across galaxies. This isn't just about refining a gun; it's about preventing a catastrophe." ⁠—The Exo Stranger
"My analysis of these schematics indicates that this mass driver integrated Vex technology, but I can only understand a fragment of what I'm looking at. But it… it looks like this weapon could skip its rounds forward in time." ⁠—Ghost
"I've been thinking about what these schematics imply: a mass driver capable of firing rounds greater than relativistic speeds? This wasn't meant to fight something on Europa, so… what was Clovis planning to aim it at?" ⁠—Ghost
"Part of me wonders if we're the first people—in this timeline—to ever manufacture something based on these schematics. What kind of catastrophe could a weapon of this nature have caused during the Collapse? Was it used against the Darkness? Or has it sat here all this time, unrealized?" —Ghost

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these are all the flavor texts of the NTTE catalyst quest

grizzled zinc
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Damn

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I feel like clovis just felt like it’d be an interesting venture

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He likely didn’t have a threat that would require it to be used.

dim minnow
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he probably knew something bad was coming to Sol

grizzled zinc
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I think it’s more like clovis’s demonstration of what level of weaponry could be possible with time travelling projectiles

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I don’t think clovis planned to run outside and shoot the pyramids with a pulse rifle

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(Wouldn’t work anyway but whatev)

fiery copper
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Why would you ever rebel when your god-emperor can crack your planet's core at a moment's notice?

dim minnow
smoky rose
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He did

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Knowing Clovis he wouldn’t have been content with being a disciple though

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Probably intended to assassinate the witness if I had to guess

dim minnow
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or he didn't understand the Witness at that point

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who knows

tawdry wigeon
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Quick question. Is eris and the drifter something? After season of the haunted theyve been getting closer and closer and now they seem like they're having something going on

jagged badge
tawdry wigeon
tawdry wigeon
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What do we know about the ammonites? Other than what we learned from the seasonal story

grizzled zinc
blazing wasp
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I believe the only thing preventing a actual romantic relationship is the trauma

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Difficulty trusting

grizzled zinc
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The drifter always has trust.

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The brainrot has taken full hold

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I read “trust” and i’m like “mm, trust as in the gambit handcannon that the drifter also uses”

real ingot
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or were losing

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in fighting the ammonites Auryx became Oryx

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or that may have been a bit later

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Hive timeline is confusing

jolly vector
fresh zephyr
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What are the aphelions actually?

empty fern
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The lost sector?

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I think another name for one of clovises labs (I am definitely not spreading misinformations)

ember storm
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you definitely are

empty fern
jagged badge
empty fern
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Ohhh

remote sky
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You're telling me the ahamkara wanted to come here?

empty fern
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As a species or as an individual?

remote sky
outer dragon
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Do we have any examples of Pilgrim Guard equipment other than the Mark in D1?

remote sky
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but also
Can Exos get high? do they have like.. designated USBs for that shit?

ember storm
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what

outer dragon
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No

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Exo can't get inebriated

coarse gyro
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Damn. That sounds kinda sad.

outer dragon
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They are functionally immortal

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I think that is a decent trade off

remote sky
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Okay sooo

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my hunter is definitely going to develop a program that is functionally similar to getting high for exos

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and it will also degrade the happiness program of exos

outer dragon
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Cool beans

remote sky
empty fern
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Anyways

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Any idea what next season could be? Any lore notes that could lead to it? Mainly asking what enemy faction will be

coarse gyro
empty fern
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lol

jagged badge
remote sky
tawdry mauve
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people are allergic to reading like 5 sentences when they join a server

remote sky
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I'm allowed to forget

fresh zephyr
empty fern
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Gone

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Reduced to the almighty’s beam

empty fern
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Y’all think atraks was slept on? Probably the first fallen exo

ember storm
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what do you think her name means

empty fern
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Oh yea, they had titles

tawdry wigeon
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Lore wise nessus doesn't have any use for the current game lore right? Nothing is happening there

velvet flax
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Excluding Fishing, the last time we visited was Season Of Plunder

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The time before that was when the Cabal Ascendancy arrived on Nessus in Season Of The Chosen

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And the time before that... uhh Season Of Opulence? Idk

little gorge
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nessus is honestly just the location that bungie chooses when they need a random location

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can't wait for the pale heart to have a completely empty area modeled after nessus

tawdry wigeon
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Yea before chosen it was opulence like so long

tawdry wigeon
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Too much time spent on it

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Itll be unique

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Until so time passes and it'll end up as the dreaming city

little gorge
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or the pale heart just won't have a nessus area

tawdry wigeon
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It wont?

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How do you know that?

little gorge
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I'm half joking

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but tbh i don't consider it too unlikely if they're going for callbacks to major story events

tawdry wigeon
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Hmm i hope its not true

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When i started playing leviathan was on nessus and oh lord i have so much nostalgia towards nessus

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Black exodus as well

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Good times

rich wyvern
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i am so glad we aren't hanging out with crow anymore

velvet flax
velvet flax
tawdry wigeon
tawdry wigeon
velvet flax
rich wyvern
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not much depth

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he's only a year old or something, so can't blame him, but its just not compelling to me

velvet flax
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Tbh I do somewhat agree

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I liked Crow until the end of Season Of the Lost

tawdry wigeon
velvet flax
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Season of the Risen onwards is when he started to get on my nerves

velvet flax
tawdry wigeon
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So i lost lore after the season of plunder. What happened to crow after that?

velvet flax
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Crow doesnt do anything until Season Of Defiance

tawdry wigeon
tawdry wigeon
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I saw that in a few nightfalls/vang playlist

rich wyvern
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i remember him like directly disobeying orders all the time

tawdry wigeon
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Ahhh that's why

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Ye idk his addition to the game doesn't seem anything special

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It just creates a couple story parts for a few seasons like haunted

rich wyvern
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omg traveler's dream music just came on in helm 🫢 the music of this game got so much nostalgia

tawdry wigeon
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Oh from 6 years ago damn

rapid vale
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ATTENTION EVERYONE

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So I had to start a couple of days ago and I don’t know if this is a subject as a touchdown already, but I wanted to bring this to light if it was not

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I always thought the spear like structure inside the tree of silver wings was a little bit too, on the nose for me, but the new laws surrounding the veil being a part of the Traveler with this mean that the veil is like one of the tree of silver wings and a Traveler was inside it??

tawdry wigeon
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I have a quick question. Wasn't there a mission where the guardian lost his light and we had to go find a fragment or whatever on earth in a forest and like do some stuff there to get it back? Which quest was that?

dim minnow
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the base D2 story

empty fern
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Which is gone

FOREVER

tawdry wigeon
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Right right damn ive been playing for that long

tawdry wigeon
dim minnow
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the Red Legion ransacked the Last City and put a cage on the Traveler

empty fern
tawdry wigeon
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Mhm

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Yea

empty fern
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Wonder what happened to the cabal scientist who made the cage CATGRIN

dim minnow
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we then went into the EDZ to find a shard of the Traveler which was how we got our Light back

tawdry wigeon
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We fought that clapped mf Ghaul

fresh zephyr
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Is the witness gonna be the final boss of the next raid?

tawdry wigeon
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Good times

tawdry wigeon
empty fern
dim minnow
empty fern
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Why was it in a hakke warehouse?

fresh zephyr
empty fern
tawdry wigeon
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Also another one. Which season had a quest with a huge ass taken tree?

dim minnow
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they reverse-engineered it into smaller Ghost cages which can suppress the Light of individual Guardians

fresh zephyr
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Not cause there gender neutral
But cause there quit literally a whole species in one body

wind belfry
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white smoky hair n pronounce

dim minnow
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and the Tree wasn't Taken

tawdry wigeon
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Not the tree

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The enemies

empty fern
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Wasn’t it taken covered in the end?

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Oh

dim minnow
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yes

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there were Taken

empty fern
#

Arrivals then, that’s taken season

tawdry wigeon
#

I didnt have the season pass back then so idk the season lore

empty fern
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You can look at timeline

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I hope

tawdry wigeon
#

But man i miss the old mars, titan, io, mercury like it was so much fun

tawdry wigeon
empty fern
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Well it’s gone now, settle with other planets CATGRIN

tawdry wigeon
#

I hope they bring some parts of them back with the 3 episodes

fresh zephyr
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Well there gone now

empty fern
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Maybe in echos, pre vex Mercury would be nice

tawdry wigeon
#

Yea that

empty fern
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(Gonna repost this CATGRIN )

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tawdry wigeon
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Like mercury for vex episode etc

empty fern
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Also

fresh zephyr
empty fern
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That’s more than the usual

tawdry wigeon
#

I like how there are 3 acts per echo

fresh zephyr
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And after that we gonna get destiny 3

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And the cycle continues

tawdry wigeon
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D3 huh

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Hmm

empty fern
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-j

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Also anyone know why khovostov would look like this?

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fresh zephyr
tawdry wigeon
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Idk exotic?

empty fern
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Exotic in d1 looked like the base

tawdry wigeon
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Im pretty sure it was a thing in d1

empty fern
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Maybe cosmodrome ornament

tawdry wigeon
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It was completely customizable

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Cosmodrome dead

fresh zephyr
tawdry wigeon
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Dreaming city dead

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I want the tangled shore back ngl

empty fern
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Cause that’s the cosmodrome style at the wall

outer dragon
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Necromancy

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I wonder if there will be some Mars Hive trying to rez Xivu/Nokris/Crota

velvet flax
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Or it could just be Nokris doing something funny

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Since there's no official confirmation if he's dead since its unknown if he has his own Throne World or not

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Nokris' VA in Season Of Arrivals was one of the best

outer dragon
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Didn't we kill Nokris in Arrivals?

velvet flax
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I forgot a word in my message lol

outer dragon
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In an Ascendant Plane area too

velvet flax
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Yea but that wasn't his Throne World

outer dragon
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Or was that Savathun's Court?

velvet flax
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That was Savathuns

outer dragon
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Interesting

tawdry wigeon
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Nokris be everywhere fr

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Whats the ascendant plane btw? I never looked into it

empty fern
tawdry wigeon
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Especially after we learned about the leviathan surviving in that space for a shit ton of time

tawdry mauve
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or seen someone mess around in the gmod sandbox

tawdry wigeon
tawdry mauve
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okay so imagine that

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but like

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in its own seperate instance

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everyone basically carves out a little place

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where powerful beings can create their own personal worlds. These personal worlds follow a set of rules and offer protection for the creator's mind if they die.

outer dragon
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Its also like your bed in Minecraft. You respawn there if you are killed outside of it

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Remanifest is a better descriptor

tawdry wigeon
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Ohhhhh makes so much sense now

tawdry mauve
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another important distinction is that they are not hive specific

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actually nothing of hive's magic or rituals is specific to their race

tawdry wigeon
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In these "personal worlds" anyone can live or just specific beings?

tawdry mauve
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youve played the witch queen campaign right?

tawdry wigeon
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Mhm

tawdry mauve
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do you know where it takes place FLOOF

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the name of the location

tawdry wigeon
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Mars/ throne world

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A place savathun created

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Iirc

tawdry mauve
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yes

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its savathuns throne world

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its not on mars

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and what 2 factions do we fight in high numbers there hmmmmm

tawdry wigeon
tawdry mauve
candid inletBOT
tawdry wigeon
tawdry mauve
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no

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anything that can enter one

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can stay there

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we went to oryx's throne world during kings fall

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thats where we kill him

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we kill crota in his

tawdry wigeon
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Yeyeyeye im dum

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Yea

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Idk why i said specific

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So the throne world is an ascendant plane?

tawdry mauve
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its an individuals stake within the ascendant plane

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their own personal property of sorts

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in a vast darkness

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litterally carved out

tawdry wigeon
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Yes that alright now i know exactly what's going on

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Thank you very much thanks

outer dragon
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Toland doesn't have Throne World right?

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He is just vibing in the Ascendant plane?

ember storm
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technically speaking if he had one i think it might be the ball himself?

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either way he can't really be killed, as much as i'd like that

outer dragon
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I wonder if and when we will talk to him this season

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Like, we are proving him right

tawdry wigeon
#

Whats the name of the scorn that we will focus on in the future episode in like 2 years from now?

tawdry mauve
#

fikrul?

gentle geyser
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Wish we would get a fallen story were they aren’t being absolutely destroyed and thrown in the trash

tawdry mauve
gentle geyser
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Eh didn’t play that season because I just don’t like the theme but what I mean is specifically the fallen hostile groups actually doing something themselves

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Like for example

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Stasis, barely got to use it and got absolutely destroyed just because our guardian was there at the right time

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I just want the fallen to get a W on their own unaffected by outside help

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Practically the weakest faction around

tawdry mauve
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thats kinda their gimmick

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they are basically an enemy on their knees

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apart from house of light

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they vibing hard

gentle geyser
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I just want them to get something

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Even in gameplay ways

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Want them to get something like how the hive got hive guardians or how the cabal got full updated designs and tormenters for lightfall

tawdry mauve
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they already did

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house salvation stasis

gentle geyser
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Yea, and only bosses use it briefly

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Its just dumb because they get shafted in lore and in gameplay

remote sky
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i need clarification on the shay-reed-aisha thing
is there more stories with them?? I need to know if shay is forgiven, if she dies, how she dies! I can't tell if it's implied or not

smoky rose
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Oh the scorn not the episode

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Yeah that was already answered it’s Fikrul

tawdry wigeon
#

Yea the name of the dude

smoky rose
#

But anyways the episode releases like summer next year

tawdry wigeon
#

Yea yea my bad

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Its the season replacement

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But i dont get something

smoky rose
remote sky
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GAHD damn

smoky rose
#

Well Aisha Shayura and Reed

remote sky
remote sky
smoky rose
#

Of those 3 the only one who is dead is ||Reed||

remote sky
#

Damn, the robot dies.

sucks for sure.

smoky rose
# remote sky tell me *everything.* ***spill.***

Okayyy so Shayura is a warlock, specifically a solar warlock, Aisha is a hunter, Reed is a titan
They all play trials together
Shayura doesn't like guardians using the darkness
Shayura goes insane and starts killing guardians who wield the darkness and random house light fallen across the system
She runs into a lucent hive and completely breaks down and turns herself in
They arrest her and put her into therapy
She is released after a while due to a shortage of guardians, under the supervision of aisha and reed
Reed, Shayura, and Aisha are the 3 OG guardians, with the classic drip from the D1 live action trailer days.
They are the 3 who's ships got sliced up by the witness in that LF cutscene, Reed is the only one who lost his ghost and thus permanently died.
That's kinda it at this point, super condensed version. There's a lot of other interactions, for example with Sloane post reed death. It's all in trials weapons, armor, sparrows, and ships

remote sky
remote sky
worn kernel
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It also hit heavy when I learned how Joxer went out.

dim minnow
real ingot
#

Joxer is also dead

dim minnow
#

who's next? Siegfried?

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Trihn?

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Gaelin-4?

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sad we haven't heard from the latter 2 in a long time

worn kernel
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I'm waiting to see if Aunor Mahal will bite the bullet, her zealous attitude and ruthlessness is only gonna give her a permadeath.

stone turtle
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Wasn't there recent lore about her?

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Saw somewhere that she killed some gaurdian on europa that was leaving there mission

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Found it

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oh wait

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its just the same lore from solas scar

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damn

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just copied over

tulip knoll
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So correct me if I’m wrong, Ahsa might allow herself to become a worm god? Or am I confused a bit on what happened this week.

real ingot
#

She’s bonded with Eris

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Like how the Hive gods tithe to Eir, Yul and Ir

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Eris tithes to Ahsa

slim elk
#

It's pretty much acknowledging we need massive boosts to catch up with Xivus power level

dim minnow
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and Ahsa ironically has to do what her corrupted brethren did

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and I like how Bungie built on Ahsa's character with this

real ingot
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We don’t have many options

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Universe ends if we fail so may as well sacrifice yourself to stop it

dim minnow
#

from the looks of it, Ahsa doesn't see it as pure desperation

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she sees it as a chance to fight for the good of everyone else

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as fate

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in essence, she doesn't feel like she has no other choice

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she feels like she has to make this choice

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seeing this season's story develop really has me wondering where it will go next

slim elk
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Theres gotta be a trick to the end of all this

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Bungies repeating the fact that Xivu tends to win a straight fight a lot

dim minnow
#

well the endgame does involve us kicking Leviathan Eater's ass

slim elk
#

..and a straight slugfest between Eris and Xivu seems.... rather bluntly straightforward for a Savathun plan

dim minnow
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it doesn't seem like Eris' plan was part of Savathun's

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Savathun knew Eris would do something, but I don't think she knew exactly what Eris would do

slim elk
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Put it this way
All this buildup for Xivu, and Eris will wipe her out offscreen without even a cutscene?... Doesnt seem likely

dim minnow
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Xivu Arath probably won't die immediately

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she'll just lose a lot of tribute resulting in her not being able to feed her worm

slim elk
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Thats what I'm wondering... if thats the trick

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Cant win against Xivu in a straight fight, but can trap her and let the worm do the rest

dim minnow
#

that's how Eris wants it to end

slim elk
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And Xivus mind is so clouded by hurray new sister!..she would walk right into a trap

dim minnow
#

Xivu may be too much to handle, but her underlings aren't

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it's how we took out Crota and Oryx

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killing off each of Crota's disciples one by one

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the Hand, Heart, Eyes, Fist, and Will

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then we left Oryx weakened by dismantling his entire court

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starting with Crota

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Oryx's main weakness was that he relied on his line of tribute which was mainly supplied through his Court

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and he knew this well

slim elk
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Yeah, thats the thing.. we havent really done any of that thus far. Jumping straight to the slugfest

Highest guy we killed was the High Celebrant

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which given the wrathborn running amok... only slowed Xivu down a bit

dim minnow
#

killing Leviathan Eater though

slim elk
#

its still alive 😉

dim minnow
#

we have also definitely killed off plenty of Xivu's higher ranking officials

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like the bosses we fight in Seraph

slim elk
#

A... scorn, shrieker, and a endless recurring Knight?

dim minnow
#

the Scourge of the Helium Drinkers, Ammonites, Ecumene, etc.

slim elk
dim minnow
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Crota was the only one of Oryx's court to have one

slim elk
dim minnow
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I'm still not sure how she even came back

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and I wouldn't rely on D1 reprised strikes too much

slim elk
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And like said, that random knight whos been killed by us... how many times under Xivus watch? heh

dim minnow
#

they legit brought back Sekrion even after we ran an entire strike previously to prevent them from doing that

dim minnow
#

Xivu is just bringing him back for the hell of it

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hell, he was already able to come back before he started serving Xivu

slim elk
#

Yeah

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Just feels like a straight fight will be a bit... anti-climatic?

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All the build up for Xivu being undefeatable... and then Eris kills her?

dim minnow
#

Leviathan Eater getting killed off will definitely leave Xivu on a decline

slim elk
#

Yeah, like i said
Think the trick is tricking Xivu into a trap, cutting off the tithe flow and letting the worm eat her alive

dim minnow
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and by utterly defeated, I mean left on the path of being wormfood

slim elk
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Yeah.. so leaves Savathuns end of the bargain

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How to cross through the portal

real ingot
#

As long as their God's throne remains intact or something

dim minnow
#

maybe

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don't really remember that detail

grizzled zinc
#

does resurrecting on the throne world defy sword logic?

dim minnow
grizzled zinc
#

how

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they died then they should stay dead

dim minnow
#

maybe because you can die permanently if killed in the Throne world

real ingot
#

They earned their existence

dim minnow
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that too

real ingot
#

Hive logic hypocritic in nature

dim minnow
#

and apparently Ascendant Hive are just Hive strong enough to be allowed to enter the Ascendant Plane

grizzled zinc
#

🗿 so if they have the means to return pre-death then that's fine with sword logic?

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which would be why becoming lightbearers is heresy?

dim minnow
#

Ghost: The soul of a Hive is sleeping inside. The Disciples of Osiris believe Ascendant Hive can be reborn in our realm when the time is right and with the sacrifice of lesser Hive souls. I think this one is marked for sacrifice.

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hmmmm

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ok, so here's a theory

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so Ascendant Hive are able to enter the Ascendant Plane, and from there, their mind is preserved there

grizzled zinc
#

🗿 sword logic is weird with the idea of resurrection

dim minnow
#

because of this, when they die, can be reborn physically and be brought back into our world

grizzled zinc
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i see

dim minnow
#

since the Ascendant Plane seems to be the mental domain

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while our world is the physical one

grizzled zinc
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since darkness is the realm of the mental while light is that of the physical?

dim minnow
#

yes

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which can be applied to the whole stack of coins analogy

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where our world is the top coin, the Ascendant Plane is the bottom doll-coin

grizzled zinc
#

bottom dollar?

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i get it now though

dim minnow
#

they never really stated this yet though, but the idea that the Ascendant Plane is tied to one's own will directly does imply it

slim elk
#

I guess the Witness went on a bit of a rampage

dim minnow
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maybe we will learn more in the TFS CE

tulip knoll
dim minnow
#

so we will have to do the same routine we did with Oryx

tulip knoll
#

Eliminating her inner circle one by one

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Cutting off her “tithe generators” her champions, her s tier wrathborns yeah?

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I’m assuming

dim minnow
#

we have already taken out her High Celebrant

slim elk
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Issue with Xivu is fighting itself can make her draw tithes

dim minnow
#

and we killed off some of her older lackeys in Seraph

dim minnow
slim elk
#

That was her plan in Seraph
No matter who was killed, would draw power from the mass casualties

tulip knoll
slim elk
tulip knoll
slim elk
#

Can use that to create a trap
Get her in a space where she can be "starved" and let her worm handle the rest

dim minnow
#

without a good line of tribute, even following her nature alone won't sustain her

tulip knoll
#

?

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Just a brainstorm

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But cutting off tribute seems like it would be most likely to work

dim minnow
#

my original theory was that we would make a move that kills off a lot of her best soldiers

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while she gains a lot of power from this act of war, it would only be a matter of time before the tribute loss catches up to her

slim elk
#

I'm thinking more along the lines of screwing with the feeding..
Remember all the schemes Savathun made to try and "cheat" her worm?

tulip knoll
slim elk
#

She left a big timeloop over in Dreaming City..

fresh zephyr
#

We talking about worms?

marsh fern
#

why did felwinter get back handed?

jagged badge
marsh fern
#

yes

smoky rose
#

This actually works by the way

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It’s been done in the past

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The Ecumene literally just overkilled the hive every time they popped up, using nuclear missiles on an ant type thing

jagged badge
# marsh fern yes

Well, Shaxx was a Warlord and Felwinter was an Iron Lord, so they fought I guess

#

I’m tryna find the entry on Ishtar rn

smoky rose
real ingot
# jagged badge I’m tryna find the entry on Ishtar rn

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/records/remembrance?highlight=Shaxx+Felwinter

Remembrance — Record — Ishtar Collective

SOME TIME DURING THE LATE DARK AGE.
Iron Lords Efrideet, Saladin, and Felwinter sat in a Warlock meditation chamber, around a massive oak table, in a keep on Felwinter Peak. A fire crackled in the corner out of the lips of a stone-lined hearth.
A hand-written letter in messy scrawl rested atop the table.
“Warlord Shaxx accepts my challenge,” Fel...

jagged badge
#

Oh huh

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Tf is a “Record”

real ingot
#

D1 stuff

grizzled zinc
#

What are the weird maggot things we see in the geometry of some hive locations

smoky rose
#

Or worm larvae in particular

cyan monolith
smoky rose
#

Not in the crucible

real ingot
#

Shaxx won

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many times

smoky rose
#

To keep him busy Felwinter literally just kept 1v1ing Shaxx at Shaxx’s fort

jagged badge
# 

“No.”

“I call mine Felwinter Peak.”

“Do I look like I care?”```
smoky rose
#

Among other things he got decapitated by a single backhand

cyan monolith
#

Where does shaxx even come from

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Is he a mf viking or smthing

jagged badge
real ingot
real ingot
jagged badge
#

Some people like to theorise he’s actually Shakespeare but imo Shaxx should be black like his VA

cyan monolith
#

Make him purple

jagged badge
#

He ain’t an Awoken lmao

cyan monolith
#

Grape

smoky rose
#

Shaxx is violently Scottish

jagged badge
#

Scottish?

real ingot
#

By law I cannot befriend a Scot

smoky rose
#

However you spell that

jagged badge
#

I mean, that doesn’t necessarily make him a Scot

cyan monolith
#

Just realized in seraphs shield we commit a warcrime

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False surrender

jagged badge
#

His accent isn’t Scottish is it?

real ingot
#

"No those are bullets"

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"Fine I'll get it myself"

real ingot
cyan monolith
#

Does rahool have a class

little gorge
cyan monolith
#

Well i didnt play in seraph

trim grotto
#

He's just a guy

real ingot
cyan monolith
trim grotto
#

He's there to represent the Cryptarchy and decrypt our engrams and such, yes

real ingot
grizzled zinc
grizzled zinc
#

I mean, solar isn’t much better than a flamethrower

trim grotto
grizzled zinc
#

Void is… definitely something too

real ingot
trim grotto
#

Oh you're actually asking
No I'm at work still sorry

jagged badge
real ingot
#

Ari's internet is working this time

jagged badge
#

Ah, afraid I can’t

#

I’m up town rn

real ingot
#

damnit

jagged badge
#

Got an interview thingy

remote sky
#

gimme a weird fact

#

I'm bored

trim grotto
#

Eris Morn lost her Light centuries ago. While she is a bad control group, this suggests that Lightless at least have an extended lifespan even without their Ghosts.

empty fern
#

Interesting

analog torrent
#

Do exos have tongues

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(There are no nefarious motives behind this question)

jagged badge
ember storm
#

how eat ramen

jagged badge
#

With skill

empty fern
#

Much skill

blazing wasp
#

Munch skill

wheat latch
ember storm
#

the time between Eris’ fireteam failing to kill Crota and us killing Crota in D1 is a long time

empty fern
#

That’s when the whole “the great disaster” also happened before they ventured down right?

ember storm
#

no that was before

#

I mean yes

empty fern
fresh zephyr
ember storm
#

technically genderfluid but who’s keeping track

empty fern
#

Them, the Twitters

torpid flint
#

you

echo fjord
meager belfry
#

forgot at what tho

chrome fog
#

And I leave to get milk once more

ember storm
remote sky
remote sky
#

DRIFT IS GUARDIAN
I thought he was just kinda in a similar situation to Xur
made immortal by the nine n shit

ember storm
#

I mean it was solely because of drifter’s own decisions

empty fern
#

Kitbash shell CATGRIN

ember storm
#

I hate this article

jagged badge
#

That’s just not true at all

#

Drifter’s Ghost wanted to fix Drifter’s hunger but Drifter refused

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Drifter did not trust or want to rely on the Light at all

tawdry mauve
#

not true lmfao

#

youre also thinking of katabasis and gilgamesh

rocky isle
#

can someone explain this awoken waking up and owing debt/being told debts paid but uno reverse card it isnt

jagged badge
fiery lily
#

Some of the Awoken believed they owed the universe for what they were “given” and others did not. Those that felt that they didn’t owe anything, stayed in their black hole city. Those that did, left with Mara

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I think that’s what we’re talking about

jagged badge
#

Ohh that yeah

#

Yeah Mara specifically fostered that first belief behind the scenes to ensure she had Awoken to join her back to Sol

#

When Alis Li discovered this she was pissed

rocky isle
jagged badge
# rocky isle what

Mara engineered the whole political dissent in the Distributary as part of her plan to return to the Solar System

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Mara felt strongly they had to return and help

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So she had to make sure she wasn’t alone

real ingot
#

I recommend reading it

wind belfry
#

I wish there was smth in lore about the drifters reaction to a ghost creating the link from the veil to the traveller

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because he was always like "never trust your ghost"

slim elk
#

"You thought all those bad ghosts disappeared back in the Dark Ages? Brother your popping some of the same ones from back then."

ember storm
#

technically speaking none of them would be the ones drifter encountered

slim elk
#

Nah
Some of them were still aholes even without Guardians

ember storm
#

what’s a risenless ghost going to do to be an asshole

slim elk
#

Just ask Player Ghost about Immaru, instantly recognizing his voice and being a bully

ember storm
#

he was only ever able to be a bully to ghosts

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because he’s a ghost

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if a ghost went up to you during the dark age like that you’d just make him your new stress ball

slim elk
#

Someone should tell Immaru that

#

Because exactly that happened this season while he was mouthing off to us... who killed Savathun solo lol

dim minnow
#

I want to see how he knew Immaru

smoky rose
#

So I’d rather not

#

He’s rather entertaining

slim elk
#

Ghost would know what Immarus og name was and if he was decked in that shell the whole time

ember storm
#

why does that need to be known

#

ghost shell changes are canon, and the defected ghosts obviously weren’t all soulfire green and covered in chitin lol

slim elk
#

So dug through the entry this week for lore book

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Presumably referred to the Witness as a "wounded tyrant"

#

..
What hurt it?

dim minnow
slim elk
#

Heh
The crazed space rhino hurt its pride that much?

gentle geyser
#

I wouldn’t say that considering that calus immediately backed down in seconds

dim minnow
#

still, it was enough to genuinely piss it off

stone turtle
#

I have question about what happened after the raid root of nightmares

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there were small darkness prisms that were scattered around neomuna called "apogee" repeaters

#

what were they exactly?

dim minnow
#

I'm not sure they really explained them

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maybe Quinn had a one-off line relating to them

stone turtle
#

yeah

#

heard some info from quinn about the repeaters

stone turtle
#

weird

empty fern
#

Oh yea did we check this weeks veil entry? I missed out on this week and last week

dim minnow
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just the one on week one for this season

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then we will get another one when the next season begins

empty fern
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Ah

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Damnit bungie

grizzled zinc
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what exactly is the vault of glass?

empty fern
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Atheon is the manager
Gorgons are the pre design before oracles
Templar idk

grizzled zinc
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anyway a gaggle of 6 idiots:

empty fern
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3 idiots*

grizzled zinc
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no 6 idiots

we are them

empty fern
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Oh

grizzled zinc
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the idiots

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yeah cuz a raid is 6 dudes

zenith glen
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in lore the first fireteam to enter the vault of glass was 3 guardians

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i think

grizzled zinc
wind belfry
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it couldve been 6 but its fair to assume 3 of them were wiped from time itself

grizzled zinc
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3 short lightbearers waddle into the vault of glass.

empty fern
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Only 3 returned

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It is kinda scary how vog literally erased 3 light bearers, including all mention of them (besides some stuff)

ember storm
empty fern
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Oh

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Wait what

ember storm
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literally none of them made it out

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that was the point of the lore

empty fern
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3 got wiped, what happened to OHHHHH

ember storm
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its conjecture whether or not the other 3 existed

empty fern
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Praedtyth time vault
Kabr and left over light
What happened to the third (wasn’t she hidden?)

ember storm
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nothing states they did but that's sort of the point

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ok correction

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1 made it out

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pahanin

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but he was also killed by yor later so

empty fern
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F

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Damn dredgens

trim grotto
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Pahanin was also male

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all three known members were

empty fern
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Was probably thinking of the gos crew

tawdry wigeon
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Is devrim a guardian?

empty fern
trim grotto
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just a guy bein' a man

empty fern
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A marcs man CATGRIN

tawdry wigeon
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Ahh okay okay

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The only guardians we have as vendors are ikora, zavala, shaxx, saint, saladin and the drifter right?

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And maybe future cayde

empty fern
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Maybe

tawdry wigeon
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Probably

empty fern
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Hopefully

ember storm
empty fern
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Oh yea

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Quite literally forgot he existed

ember storm
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also Ken technically

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he’s in the vendor screen

wheat latch
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So I was watching a vid about like random facts abt d2 so shaky source for this, but they said devrim has a long lost husband mark and that's why he has a bounty with his name in it???? I'm sorry for the really weird question, just gotta know if it's canon

fresh zephyr
fresh zephyr
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ANYWHERE ELSE I’D BE A TEN