📚lore-discussion

[wild marsh]

As a result of the ending of season 19, what does this mean for objects that Rasputin didn't use anymore, like SIVA? Like, can it still get out, or is it just gone?

idk never played rise of iron

[ember storm]

i mean siva as a whole has largely been destroyed or rendered useless

without the main replication chamber on earth, you can't really make any more

[shadow warren]

Odd question, what about outbreak perfected? Obviously spawning nanites is its whole thing

Is that just for gameplay purposes or could there be a lore implication

[trim grotto]

Small scale and pre-programmed
But there is a reason why it was locked in the Cryptarchy Vault

And why Eramis broke in to steal it

[shadow warren]

So in theory there could be something we could do with it

Season of the plague

[trim grotto]

[empty fern]

There will not

[wind belfry]

There should

[peak coral]

the seasonal quest is just us fucking up the gun

so we fix it over multiple weeks

and eventually we add vorpal and rapid hit to the gun

and buff nanite damage by 300%

seasonal guns are we use some leaked nanites to make siva guns

[wind belfry]

weapons of the iron lords infested with siva maybe

sivafied

[peak coral]

iron lord guns are ass

look at what ib has

theyre useless

so no

[wind belfry]

They release one seasonal weapon and its felwinters truth or some garbage like that

[versed orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-pattinson-lighthouse-screaming-shout-scared-gif-17035752

[mild folio]

||Savathûn ghost what she helping us||?

[ember storm]

did you not finish this season

[mild folio]

that your question really

[trim grotto]

Immaru? Not particularly. He's kind of at war with us.
If you're referring to the tweet, then "helping" is a stretch, considering our history and such.

[trim grotto]

It's very relevant, to be fair.

Very, very relevant.

[slim elk]

Savathuns revival is scheduled in less then 7 days in fact

The question of what that actually will entail is another thing all together though

[ember storm]

synchronize your death watches

[slim elk]

Logically you think something like that would make Xivu show up personally

[mild folio]

@trim grotto yeah i only see her ghost

[trim grotto]

Immaru. Well, yes, we can't exactly speak to Savathûn without him.

This is why Waltz asked if you've done the season

[mild folio]

already done it

for few months ago

what you think i way behide

i level 154 on my battle pass

[trim grotto]

Yes, you could be. Or, you may not own it.

I have no idea what your situation is, and that's why Waltz asked.

[shadow warren]

Shame on you guys

[mild folio]

i just finished all story i know what going on

[slim elk]

Context clues.. we don't know what's going down yet next season
The Lucent Hive still will be hostile ingame (despite every reason to stop at this point)

[ember storm]

ok well this season ended with them basically outright saying savathun was returning

so

the destiny twitter posting a picture of immaru isn't very surprising

[trim grotto]

In that case - we need to speak to Sav, as you apparently know. Since she's dead, we need her Ghost, Immaru. Thus, the image.

Is it forced? Is it willing?

We'll find out.

[mild folio]

thank you Mael

[slim elk]

What's your bet on that anyway?

[ember storm]

we're probably going to cooperate on something but nobody's going to like it

[slim elk]

Like said before, seems like something that Xivu would try and disrupt personally

[trim grotto]

I'm thinking willing. Ghosts are notoriously fiercely loyal to their Risen.

[ember storm]

also we need a basic enemy to be fighting so my money's on scorn

[slim elk]

Xivus hiding on the Dreadnought.. so we know she's in Sol

[mild folio]

Immaru that his name

[empty fern]

Wait so

[trim grotto]

Yes.

[ember storm]

he calls himself daddy

very important

[empty fern]

Savs dead, can’t talk to her
Oryx is dead, but he’s still kinda sentient?

[ember storm]

it is unironically good insight into his character

[ember storm]

opposite

[trim grotto]

Not sentient. Braindead.

[mild folio]

idk what voice as in game

[empty fern]

Ah

[ember storm]

he's completely braindead but his body's cells are still going thru mitosis

also his worm is gone

[trim grotto]

Go do a patrol in the Throne World.

You'll hear him.

[empty fern]

Thought his worm was the dreadnaught

[trim grotto]

oh god this again

[slim elk]

Darkness= consciousness

[trim grotto]

gonna suplex whoever spouted this originally

[empty fern]

What

[mild folio]

@trim grotto oh i remember now

[slim elk]

Light has the psychical as its domain
Darkness has the immaterial

[empty fern]

Yes I know but how does it relate

[trim grotto]

Akka, the Worm God. Its corpse was used to create the Dreadnaught.

Oryx's Worm was not Akka. They do not have patron gods. Oryx's Worm was inside of him, same as Sav's was inside her (and became Parasite).

[slim elk]

Have.. you payed any attention to Strand or Stasis thematics?

[mild folio]

Season is still unknown name wait for showcase start

[empty fern]

Ah ok

[empty fern]

I haven’t, still don’t see the connection to oryx

[trim grotto]

Oryx's mind appears to still process the world around it like water through a sieve
no comprehension, but memories are caught, and take form as calcified fragments around his body

but though the body is technically still alive, and the mind too, his actual brain function is braindead.

[mild folio]

what about 3rd Dark Subclass that later on future?

[cyan monolith]

Red thingy

Yes?

[trim grotto]

We'll get one. We know nothing about it.

[empty fern]

So basically

[trim grotto]

Leave

[empty fern]

Brain stasis

[cyan monolith]

no

[trim grotto]

We know nothing about the subclass, OFFICIALLY.

So please

[tawdry mauve]

leave

[trim grotto]

delete that and move on

[tawdry mauve]

read da rules

hexagon

[cyan monolith]

i cannot read

[tawdry mauve]

no talks about leaks

[tawdry mauve]

we can tell

[slim elk]

Anyway
Thematically.. all we have for next season is "Savathun revival"
Lorewise, that should literally take under a minute once Immaru shows

So the actual "mainstay" of the season is unknown

[jagged badge]

Technically we don’t even have that

For all we know, Savathûn will be saved for last season

[slim elk]

Yeah. Just be another case of bad writing if Bungie does delay it
We already had over a month of deliberating in verse if we should do it...

[jagged badge]

Oh wait nvm I just saw that new Bungie tweet lmao

Yeah next season is Savathûn

[cyan monolith]

Yes

[tawdry mauve]

the issue isnt the revival itself

its more so getting immaru on our side

here is my incredibly big brain prediction for next season

the scorn invade the lure

[ember storm]

immaru is a wet kitten savathun found in a dumpster

[tawdry mauve]

we go there and kill the scorn

gain the trust of immaru

we revive savathun at the end

[ember storm]

whatever she does he's going to follow along

[tawdry mauve]

new seasonal patrol on the lure

new activity like haunted

also scorn themed

[ember storm]

nah it'd be funny if it was a sanctioned imperial cabal op we go in and kill again

that would be hilarious

[slim elk]

So where is this Immaru tweet?

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[ember storm]

do you know how to spell destiny 2 twitter

[slim elk]

Try to avoid all that "X" insanity going on at present

[ember storm]

so

if you type twitter it still shows up

[tawdry mauve]

immaru looks so crushable right here ngl

[trim grotto]

depmpinal 3 twottar

[trim grotto]

For future reference just use #bungie-tweets

[jagged badge]

Close enough

[little gorge]

the guardian standing in the back about to crush him:

(they are about to end the sol system)

[jagged badge]

[empty fern]

What I miss

[little gorge]

a picture of ikora the guardian and immaru chilling

[empty fern]

“Oops miss clicks”

[smoky rose]

Twitter already made this

[empty fern]

Ik, love it

[wild barn]

Question

What the fuck are the blue electric thingies that keep on nuking me whenever I feel like I won

And how do they exist

[smoky rose]

In what

[wild barn]

You know

The ones that explode

[smoky rose]

I assume its lucent moths

[wild barn]

And follow you arouns

Yeah yea

I need lore explanation of their exis

Tence

[smoky rose]

Well basically the hive normally need to kill to survive and lower ranks tithe to the higher ranks but the light fucks with the process, lucent moths are a byproduct iirc

[wild barn]

Oh

Not enough excuses for Bungie to make a new hive kamikaze

[sour galleon]

why did savathun choose to take the crown of sorrow in presage? did she ever do anything with it?

[ember storm]

she didn't

[fierce dune]

The crown of sorrow was in presage(you can see it at the bottom of the ship). It’s how calus spoke to the witness. He shoved a bunch of scorn minds in them. We actually have it in our possession because we used it to do something to the nightmares in season of the haunted

[sour galleon]

I thought that when savathun was dressed as osiris, they said they'd take it back with them or smth

that's why I was confused why she wanted it

[wheat latch]

Wasn't that a seasonal thing we had a while ago?

Like in the helm

[little gorge]

crown was the vendor for haunted

[wheat latch]

knew it

what number season was that

17th, that was a while ago

[analog torrent]

Reading grimoire 3, a few pages in, and I can already tell this is gonna be the best one 🔥 author is spitting straight 🔥

[wheat latch]

what's the website for all the lore i forgot the name

[analog torrent]

ishtar collective

Where do I start if I want to learn about the factions? Any lorebooks?

[tawdry mauve]

the consensus probably

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/categories/the-consensus

[wheat latch]

i've always wanted to "read all the lore" like from start to finish almost but have been intimidated by the lack of a "how to read all d2 lore" guide, is that feasible and how tf do i go abt doing that

[tawdry mauve]

you go to the ishtar collective site

look up what you want to read

read everything related to that

there isnt really a first to last chronological order you can follow for like 90% of all the lore books

but

[wheat latch]

where's the d2 bible lol, i need the "in the beginning"

[tawdry mauve]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/timeline

this is the next best thing

[tawdry mauve]

@wheat latch

[wheat latch]

does this have all the books throughout it?

or does it skip some

[tawdry mauve]

i think it should be all of them

[wheat latch]

well shoot man, how tf did i miss the book links on this

i've been to this page so many times

thanks for making me look at it again and notice the books

[ember storm]

not everything savathun did was for a plan

at certain points she just had to act like osiris

[analog torrent]

reading the entire ishtar collective timeline and then slowly picking through various characters, lorebooks, and grimoires is what I've been doing

[wheat latch]

how do you keep track of what you've read

i feel like that'd be a lot to remember

[analog torrent]

If I've read it before, I'll know

triggers some unconsious recognition ig

[ember storm]

i mean it doesn't have to be like a "i have read this, this, this, and this"

most people will forget about books they've read but when they actually look at the text itself it's "oh i remember this"

[analog torrent]

who's the hunter, if middle and right are Silimar and Felwinter?

[wheat latch]

maybe it's just me but i sink so much time into this game but i feel like i know nothing abt it, and that annoys me sometimes

[analog torrent]

most enjoyable way to do it imo is to pick a character you like and read every bit of lore available for them, and then continue reading lore related to them until eventually you've learned a lot

most people don't read the lore so it's ok if you don't know a lot of it

but yeah it feels annoying sometimes

[wheat latch]

i also want the ego boost of being knowledgable on at least one thing in this game lmao

[analog torrent]

fr

[real ingot]

I present

The Books of Sorrow

[analog torrent]

well there's also Shattered Suns now

and Unveiling, however accurate it may be now that the Witness' origins are out

[smoky rose]

That makes it a better bible tbh

[empty fern]

Shiro? Was he around then?

[smoky rose]

Not an iron lord

[analog torrent]

His wiki page says he fought at Six Fronts but idk if he was around before that
don't know if he'd hang out with the Iron Lords

It's not Efrideet and the other two are named Iron Lords so... Perun or Gheleon?

they both wear cloaks with hoods

[honest iris]

My Time... has arrived.

My Queen will rise

In the name of light, in the name of great power against The Witness

The Witch Queen will Rise

[empty fern]

Weird

[tawdry mauve]

dude is roleplaying 💀

[empty fern]

Anyways back to deadness

[real ingot]

well that was weird

[echo fjord]

blud think we in a rp server 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️

[analog torrent]

Can anyone explain the Rasputin parts of Grimoire 3/Part 1: Encrypted: Chapter 2: The End That Came Before? Here's as far as I could figure

Skyshock Alert - Rasputin detects the Darkness
Midnight Exigent - prepare to shut down for self preservation reasons
Loki Crown - defining the requirements to warrant a shut down
...from a red space before victory - Rasputin survives the Collapse (what are his brothers and sisters? the other warminds?)
Palisade Imperative - the death of the Iron Lords
Dvalin Forge-2 - considering talking to the Guardians (very unsure about this one)
Sleeper Stimulant - status report: Midnight Exigent is still in progress/Rasputin is still hiding (why?)
Guardians - decides to talk to Guardians
RECORD0828GL98$M27 - the vex arrive? some enemy arrives? idk. this part is the biggest clue -> LOCATION\ASSESSMENT: IO, MERCURY, MARS, TITAN, EUROPA. Mass hostiles detected.
…from a long branch, afire - Rasputin is talking to somene (a little platform) (who?) (Elsie?)

[smoky rose]

Loki crown iirc was the initial plan to kill the traveler

[dim minnow]

Dvalin Forge 2 is essentially Rasputin arming us so we could defend key Warmind sites

Dvalin Forge 1 I believe was his original attempt to arm humanity during the Collapse which failed

as for the "RECORD0828GL..." thing

it is referring to the Pyramids arriving in the Sol System

during Season of Arrivals which was just before Beyond Light which took us to Europa

hence why Io, Titan, Mercury, Mars, and Europa are all listed

[ancient drum]

"If you like being shit-talked by a stress ball with an attitude you're gonna love next week. Hope y'all enjoy the showcase :hearts:"

[dim minnow]

Bungie is probably going to enjoy teasing us with another Hive Ghost we aren't allowed to crush

only this time said Hive Ghost is the entire cactus

[echo fjord]

im honestly here for it, i want more aggressive characters in the story

[slim elk]

Ghost: My Guardian killed yours straight up and it took the Traveler to save you Immaru. Drifter over there also had Savathun for dinner

[dim minnow]

Drifter snuck into the facility where they were hiding Savathun's body so he can cut a piece off of her to cook and eat.

and he was successful because Eris let him get away with it just so she could see what would happen

[echo fjord]

eris be the type of person to let someone eat a hive worm without warning

[mild folio]

Yeah what happened to Savathun’s body

[dim minnow]

the Hidden took it and are keeping it in a secure facility

Eris Morn even did an autopsy on it

[mild folio]

I see now

[dim minnow]

they are also basically doing the same approach with Oryx's body

[mild folio]

Yep

[dim minnow]

though, I firmly believe that destroying Oryx's body is a better idea

[wind belfry]

Im sure theres lots of protein in those bad boys

[devout nimbus]

What

[flat jolt]

Guys is there any meaning with the class symbols like titans shield and warlocks mountains?

[trim grotto]

Yes and no.

Hunters and Warlocks have no specific given meaning. Titans, however, do.

The four pieces represent the four Titan orders defending the City during Six Fronts - represented by the six sides of the logo.

The successful end to the Battle of Six Fronts is considered by some to be beginning of the City Age - the first true victory of the Last Safe City of Earth.

[flat jolt]

Wasnt the battle of six front won by the iron lords?

[dull raft]

seem to remember that while there were iron lords present, they didn't do all the fighting.

[trim grotto]

That's correct.

The Iron Lords were present, but no, the key members of the battle were the Titans of the City.

[flat jolt]

Does the four orders still exist now?

[dim minnow]

I'm joking

[trim grotto]

To varying degrees. The Orders aren't often heard of nowadays.
Firebreak was there, which Sloane is a part of (plus Stoneborn). Radagast was, apparently, leading some of the Firebreak order. I don't know who else was there apart from the Order of the Chain, who have extraordinarily little lore on them.

[flat jolt]

I like how the origin of sunbracers has something to do with a titan order

[trim grotto]

The Sunbreakers, yes. Wielders of the Hammer of Sol.

The Sunbracers - also known as Sunbreakers because Liu Feng is very original - were created by a Sunbreaker themselves. She's the known member of that order, I believe.

I wonder how Liu's doing.

[dim minnow]

Sunbreaker order in ruins rn

so I doubt she is doing good

[flat jolt]

Wait a titan made a warlock exotic?

[dim minnow]

Warlocks make titan exotics all the time you know

Mask of Quiet One, Severance Enclosure

also, I think Liu Feng is a Hunter

[flat jolt]

Wait what? It aint fair we cant use what we made.

[dim minnow]

nvm

maybe she is a Titan

[trim grotto]

She was a Sunbreaker. A mercenary from days before the City. Not like the new Lights from the Tower. She was weary. But there was no rest out here, where the City Lights didn't reach.

[trim grotto]

Correct

And Sunshot, too.

[dim minnow]

Wei Ning, a titan, also made Fighting Lion

[smoky rose]

Pretty much all of the orders are

The stoneborn more or less died where they stood on the wall during the red war

[flat jolt]

Is there any correlation that a certain race would be predisposed to be a certain class? Like liu feng wei ning both chinese and are incredible titans

[dim minnow]

Chalco Yong is a Hunter

is it a Chinese name though?

ok, the Yong part is

[flat jolt]

Huh… i’ll read about him. Not to sound stereotypical but drifter looks asian and he fits hunter vibes

[dim minnow]

Drifter is not any of the classes

and I'm pretty sure he is canonically Asian

heard something about it

[trim grotto]

Her.

[trim grotto]

But no, not really.

[analog torrent]

Why does everyone speak English/the selected language except Rasputin apparently

[trim grotto]

Rasputin likes to be special.

Also, apparently there's a Guardian going around mocking Fallen in French-Canadian while killing them.

[analog torrent]

Lmao link?

[smoky rose]

Damn where’d your arms go eh bud? hand cannon shot

[flat jolt]

Sunbracers lore said liu feng gave them to a bright warlock. Was it osiris? Or did he make a copy based off the original sunbracers?

[trim grotto]

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/iv-scattercape

[trim grotto]

Speaks nothing like Osiris. Just an unnamed Warlock.

[flat jolt]

I have some questions about osiris. In the cinematic where he freezes time and the surrounding vex starts to move and he goes into daybreak mode, there was a moment he uses a gun; does anyone know what gun was it?

And I remember saint 14 died in the infinite forest so how is he alive again?

[trim grotto]

Let's see
Pretty sure Osiris was using one of the old Mercury guns, but I'll need the screenshot to make sure

[flat jolt]

And since osiris lost his light but with his understanding and research of the darkness cant he use stasis?

[trim grotto]

As for Saint, that was the entire Season of Dawn, and the Perfect Paradox

[flat jolt]

https://www.destinypedia.com/File:Osirisbattle.gif

[trim grotto]

He was already saved yet already dead
The TL;DR is that Osiris made a time machine to save Saint, and it didn't work, the Cabal found it, and nearly shattered time across all of Sol. We fixed it, were the key to finding Saint, and retroactively tied a separate timeline to ours like weaving a thread into fabric.

So, we saved a version of Saint from the Martyr Mind in the Infinite Forest in the past. Few centuries later, in the present, he finds his way out,and voila.

[dim minnow]

wasn't the Perfect Paradox the key

[trim grotto]

Yes

But only we could find it

[dim minnow]

probably because of the Infinite Forge

[trim grotto]

Garden Progeny, I think. One of those old Mercury guns, anyway.

[dim minnow]

since that was how we got it originally

[trim grotto]

He theoretically could, if he got trained by Elsie and had a Splinter to train with.

[slim elk]

Techically may not even need a Splinter, but that remains to be seen

[flat jolt]

The eagle/hawk/crow emblem of warlocks has nothing to do with ashraven of the iron wolves right? Similarly the lion and snake?

[dim minnow]

Eagle, Lion, and Snake are all representative of their respective Guardian Class

Iron Wolves is specifically the Iron Lords rather than a class

[flat jolt]

Osiris hates being the fragile old man with no spare lives so technically he could be tankier with woven mail or stasis overshields. I dont like him being a non combatant like the Speaker.

[dim minnow]

he is still capable, but a lot more vulnerable

though Strand can be very useful for him

so far, we haven't seen him use Stasis though

[trim grotto]

The Speaker wasn't even a Lightbearer to be fair. Just a man.

[flat jolt]

He did coach the guardian how to embrace strand instead of forcing it like stasis so maybe he does have the knowledge of it

[slim elk]

osiris still has one life left, no respawns for him

[flat jolt]

Damn, in my mind he was a warlock

Maybe bcuz he taught Osiris that why i made that connection

[dim minnow]

wasn't it Felwinter who was Osiris' mentor?

[slim elk]

Yep

Why he was so pissed at Rasputin

[flat jolt]

Ya the speaker taught him a bit too when osiris went in the city

[trim grotto]

Correct

Not really. They were... colleagues. Coworkers, in a way.

[slim elk]

A mad scientist and a head priest

[dim minnow]

they then had a huge falling out when Osiris spread his prophecies

[dim minnow]

I'd say they are rivalling prophets

[slim elk]

Speakers dead, and the Warlock aint a Warlock anymore

[dim minnow]

Osiris and his prophecies and the Speaker and his cryptic Traveler dreams

[flat jolt]

The true sign of a great warlock is to be mad. Toland and osiris for examples

[slim elk]

TBF: Speaker was intentionally holding back info

Red War dream and the whole Mars Futurescape

[trim grotto]

Speaker tried to teach him patience, to little avail

[dim minnow]

The best voices never let themselves be heard after all

and it is a lesson worth learning time and time again

[slim elk]

Too busy cleaning up the messes the other voices create lol

How many times have we cleaned up osiris messes?

[flat jolt]

Tbf he was right about the vex

And its not his fault he got possessed… i think

Still feels weird he couldnt solo a celebrant

[slim elk]

Techically, it was.. he got reckless and fell into a trap

arrogance does that

[flat jolt]

Pride the downfall of many men

[dim minnow]

he could have taken the Celebrant if not for Xivu Arath showing up

her presence alone was overpowering Osiris so Sagira had to explode herself to purge the area of it

[slim elk]

Lets see if Xivu decides to show up when we resurect Savathun

[flat jolt]

Savathun is technically on our side right?

And we gonna bring back oryx too right?

[slim elk]

Should be

And nah, we killed oryx prospective ghost to be

[flat jolt]

Damnit the taken king would be a great ally to go against the witness

[trim grotto]

She's on her own side. We're hoping we can temporarily ally ourselves.
And, no.

[green obsidian]

Does anyone really understand what happened at the end of Plunder?

[dim minnow]

Mithrax heard whispers from the relics (Nezarec's corpse) which guided him on how to diffuse the primordial Darkness from within them into a "tea" which wakes Osiris up from the coma Savathun put him in.

[green obsidian]

1. Has "primal Darkness" ever come up before/what even is it 2. What were the Whispers (Nezarec/Witness/Winnower/etc.?) 3. Where did the conclusion to give it to Osiris come from, was it just the growing knowledge of its association with conscious/memory?

[trim grotto]

Not really.
Nezarec, probably. But all Darkness stuff has a tendency to whisper.
Pretty much. That, and Misraaks's familiarity with the relics.

[dim minnow]

I doubt Nezarec himself was speaking to Mithrax, so who was?

the Witness?

[green obsidian]

The "primal Darkness" bit is still what bothers me the most

[trim grotto]

It was Nezzy's own body. But otherwise,

[dim minnow]

maybe as a last ditch effort to try and get to the Veil?

[dim minnow]

Primordial Light is within the Traveler

it is where its terraformation ability is derived from

[green obsidian]

right

[dim minnow]

and since the Veil is literally the Dark Traveler, it has primordial Darkness within it

[green obsidian]

Ok so the point im trying to get at is shouldn't the veil visually have some of this darkness energy?

Someone on reddit told me it was "invisible" but idk it just feels off to me

[real ingot]

What's saying it doesn't

[trim grotto]

Darkness comes in many forms. And yes, it does radiate an invisible energy.

[real ingot]

the energy the veil produces

[dim minnow]

well, Darkness is supposed to be non-physical

[real ingot]

All forces of darkness can be seen as originating from a non-physical force

Deepsight is memories

[dim minnow]

Deepsight - memory
Stasis - emotion

[real ingot]

Nightmares are

Nightmares

[dim minnow]

Nightmares are a form of Deepsight

you cannot convince me otherwise

[real ingot]

that works

[dim minnow]

just look at Memories (opposite of Nightmares)

[real ingot]

Strand is everywhere but was only made physical after embracing it

and absurd amounts of darkness energy

[dim minnow]

they literally have the Altar of Reflection color palette

Strand seems to be the embodiment of conciousness in general

[green obsidian]

Well with the light we have its various forms Arc/Solar/Void yet the Traveler itself has consistently (mostly final red war and opening lightfall scene i suppose) had that bright white light energy as its base

I mean I suppose we havent seen the Veil enough to know for sure what its capable of

[dim minnow]

well, it ain't good that's for sure

[real ingot]

I mean we have seen what it can do

[green obsidian]

Im mostly just trying to theorize why it has light shining down from it on its lower half and it forms that sphere shape with its tendrils

[real ingot]

If we take the Traveler's power over the physical realm as pure light

[dim minnow]

it "winnowed" all over the Exodus Indigo exos

let's see, the Witness' species went crazy after finding it

same thing happened with Maya Sundaresh

[real ingot]

Then the Veil's ability to combine minds and drive people insane

pure darkness perhaps

[dim minnow]

not sure it directly combines them

[real ingot]

word is on my tongue

[dim minnow]

it is described as a "Cosmic Collective Consiousness" though

[real ingot]

simplifying?

[trim grotto]

Amalgamate

[dim minnow]

you think the Veil told Maya that the unenlightened masses cannot make the judgement call?

[real ingot]

OUT

[green obsidian]

someone said the light shining out of the Veil's spout is from it being focused from the lights shining down on the top half which was an interesting idea

[dim minnow]

to give up free will forever, their voices won't be heard at all?

[real ingot]

I am never running a dungeon with you again

[dim minnow]

display obedience while never stepping out of line?

and blindly swear allegiance

[green obsidian]

2013 was 10 years ago damn

[dim minnow]

let your country control your mind

[real ingot]

But yeah Traveler and Veil both display massive power over their forms of the universe

[dim minnow]

LIVE IN IGNORANCE AND PURCHASE YOUR HAPPINESS

[green obsidian]

Is it safe to assume that resonance is more a product of the Witness then

[real ingot]

the powers we see used are manifestations off-shooting from the source

[dim minnow]

WHEN BLOOD AND SWEAT IS THE REAL CAUSE

[real ingot]

Not an idea

Resonance is uh

We aren't sure

[dim minnow]

THINKING CEASES, THE TRUTH IS LOST

DON'T YOU WORRY YOU'LL BE TOLD EXACTLY WHAT TO DO

[trim grotto]

Has something taken control of Dova

[dim minnow]

I'd argue that resonance is a form of Light

[real ingot]

2013

[green obsidian]

fr?

[trim grotto]

I'll take your word for it

[dim minnow]

the joke is that the Veil is a Cosmic Collective Conciousness and I am singing a song called "Collective Conciousness" which appeared in Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance

[real ingot]

Most stuff referring to Resonance is weird

because the most notable use of Resonance is the pyramids

which were made by the blessing of light

[trim grotto]

Hm

[green obsidian]

Let me use another example, in Prophecy and RoN, Light is respresented both times as that general white light, but for darkness in one its that smokey "primal darkness" look and the other its the resonance seeds

[dim minnow]

I'm mainly going off of a concept art that showed Terraformation and Resonance as opposites in regards to the Explicator in RoN

[green obsidian]

The pyramids just being made by the Witness culture pre-Veil is kinda lame to me

well maybe not lame but...a bit too coincidental?

[dim minnow]

as well as the idea that Terraformation is a creative (or additive) power while Resonance can be seen as a destructive (reductive) one

[green obsidian]

Like the first traveler race that turns evil also just happened to have this super evil looking architecture?

idk

[dim minnow]

so while the Traveler uses Light in a creative way, the Pyramids use it in a destuctive one

[real ingot]

the architecture wasn't the evil bit it was the speakers they attached to it

[green obsidian]

those subwoofers truly are dangerous

Surely the next seasons and TFS will give me all the answers I need to my silly little continuity questions

[little gorge]

were they not evil in the first place?

they always wanted purpose

they just found that in the final shape

[real ingot]

More when they started to desire more

It's how Humans and the first species were different

[little gorge]

i don't think their ideals ever changed

[real ingot]

Humans traveled towards the stars

the first desired a purpose

all this

yet silence from the god they worshipped

[little gorge]

also i wouldn't say that their architecture is of the light in any way

[dim minnow]

I'm still wondering what exactly the Witness saw through the Veil that gave it the idea of the Final Shape

[green obsidian]

Going from being afraid of potential cataclysms caused by the Traveler to mass genocide of civilizations it blesses is kinda a weird move tho ngl

[little gorge]

just how human advancements during the golden age might not directly use the light

[dim minnow]

maybe Unveiling was its interpretation of what it saw in through the Veil

[real ingot]

massive simplification

It was more of a

How is this described

Doomer approach I guess

Universe is an imperfected mess that needs to be winnowed into the correct shape

[little gorge]

I'd say it was not one thing

[real ingot]

The Purpose we all live is nothing

a pain

[little gorge]

they saw the whole universe, and realized they needed to "carve away its chaos"

[real ingot]

Life isn't worth living and as such must be recreated

The cataclysm of light was kinda the final straw

[real ingot]

I'm guessing it isn't anything that keeps the mind sane

Maya went crazy from it

Imagine that but with an entire species

[dim minnow]

Bungie is introducing the idea that something else could be listening through the Veil

[green obsidian]

would have been a bit more sympathetic if anything bad actually happened to the Witness race via The Traveler

[dim minnow]

kind of like Sauron seeing through that orb thign Saruman pondered

[green obsidian]

but I guess thats not necessary

The Veil did enough to make them go loco

[little gorge]

I don't think they're meant to be sympathized with

they are trying to kill us

[green obsidian]

No but villians are sometimes a bit more interesting when they are at least half correct

[little gorge]

sometimes

you can also write a good villain without that

[real ingot]

They're a collective being attempting to exact their desire upon the entire universe

based on an interpretation they decided upon

[dim minnow]

just have a villain who is a total prick

[green obsidian]

Nez is more interesting than the Witness to me honestly

[dim minnow]

nothing redeeming and does evil shit to an illogical degree

[real ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-horner-smile-gif-27453489

[dim minnow]

what took you so long?

IDIOT

[real ingot]

Understanding the Witness is something of a bad idea

Alien entity with godlike power

we can understand its origins

But the entity itself is a different story

[green obsidian]

Is there any real example of the Traveler fucking shit up to the degree they saw via the veil

besides like, warlords I guess

[real ingot]

I guess the terraform beam

Keep in mind things like thunderstorms can be attributed to a kind of light energy

Alien worlds

not everything is that simple

[dim minnow]

Ares One movie
make it happen Bungie

[little gorge]

so now that chioma is gone what do you think the veil logs for next season are

[trim grotto]

Other than the Shard, Collapse and Lightfall battle, no.

[dim minnow]

maybe logs from Maya herself before she died

[trim grotto]

Collapse including things like the kugelblitz of the Exodus Green

[dim minnow]

would help us figure out what exactly Maya tried to do that got herself killed

[little gorge]

yeah that would be interesting

i was thinking something from a future generation that uncovered maya's research

[dim minnow]

could shed Light on what exactly causes the Veil to have a "winnowy" effect on people

[little gorge]

like surely someone noticed that the veil room has a bunch of weird chairs in it right

[trim grotto]

They did kinda lock the Veil up tight

And like a few hundred meters underground

[dim minnow]

place hasn't been touched in a long time

[green obsidian]

but like anytime it was like "Oh no the travelers indifference caused a tsunami that killed everyone"

[little gorge]

wait yeah forgot that facility wasn't visible until calus kinda wrecked the place over it

[dim minnow]

makes me wonder how exactly they got the CloudARK set up

[dim minnow]

he could of done that the ENTIRE time

[trim grotto]

Only thing that comes to mind is the blatant lies of the Worm Gods on Fundament, to the proto-Hive.

So, no.

[dim minnow]

just break into Veil Containment and take the Veil while his forces still had complete control over the area

[green obsidian]

I guess the warlords and the witness itself ironically are arguments for why the travelers influence can be not so great

[dim minnow]

instead he sat on his ass while we were able to make a comeback

[green obsidian]

but no like volcanos I've seen destroying citys due to the traveler

[little gorge]

didn't he not know where it was until then for some reason

[dim minnow]

can't even call it the Traveler's influence

[little gorge]

i remember him "finding" the veil like halfway through

[dim minnow]

his forces had control over the Veil Containment area for a while until Rohan destroyed the Radial Mast

he knew it was there

[little gorge]

also ig he needed the radial mast to be there?

[trim grotto]

Technically, they're a result of the lack of influence.

No guidance.

Free will.

[green obsidian]

*gift

I meant

[dim minnow]

not unless you are patient and a specific person it chooses to speak to

[little gorge]

his plan was to link the veil with the mast, but the witness ended up using our ghost instead

[dim minnow]

and as the Traveler said, it is never her choice, only ours

[slim elk]

Thats the irony there.. Warlords were effectively the Witness fears made manifest

[green obsidian]

Just odd to fear the traveler due to its potential to "wipe out an entire civilization in a heartbeat due to the events it set in motion" but then go wipe out civilizations as a response?

Why was all the genocide even necessary if all they needed to do was find the traveler and link the Veil

[slim elk]

Fallen survived.. despite having the Traveler

And the races the Hive eliminated in the past have been revealed to have more to them then the Books of Sorrow mentioned... like the fact they used darkness

Have shit like Rhulk true.. but it seems like his species had already nuked itself after the Traveler left? Might be the Witness being petty

[flint ridge]

basically yeah

[smoky rose]

How much wiping out has the Witness done personally

Basically none

It's been disciples most of the time

[wheat latch]

What's the gardener?

[smoky rose]

If you are reading unveiling

The gardener is what the Witness' people called the traveler

[slim elk]

Gardener=Traveler
Winnower=Veil

[wheat latch]

I'm trying to get my bearings on the intro paragraph on the timeline

[smoky rose]

Winnower =/= veil

The veil is the dark equivalent to the traveler but it is not necessarily the winnower

[ember storm]

me

i am the winnower

[smoky rose]

It's simply the brain to the traveler's physical

Body and mind

Traveler and Veil

[slim elk]

Asha directly refers to the fact that the Witness people saught a Winnower and "found" it in the Veil

[smoky rose]

No actually

Ahsa said that they became the salvation they craved

[slim elk]

If nothing else it's the closest equivalent

[smoky rose]

The witness is the winnower

[wheat latch]

I'm confused cuz it says "travelers" at the beginning then mentions "Traveler fled" and my brain said, "nah, me no compute now"

[slim elk]

Unveiling is propaganda anyway

[wheat latch]

I'm not reading the unveiling

Timeline intro paragraph

[smoky rose]

In the ancient past, on an unknown world, weary travelers arrived in the desert to discover a great machine. They called it The Gardener. In unearthing the strange entity, they were blessed with a golden civilization for thousands of years. But in time, they craved meaning from their machine god, and discovered another entity among the stars, The Veil. Through the Veil, they found the means to become the winnowers they longed for. By joining the Traveler and Veil, a portal could be created to a realm where they could re-shape reality. But the Traveler fled from this. To chase after their machine god, they used the power of Darkness they'd learned from the Veil to join their minds together. To become the Salvation they craved. To become the Witness.

^ ishtar collective intro paragraph

[wheat latch]

Is this the witness' people?

[smoky rose]

Yes

[ember storm]

the name traveler was given by humanity literally because of a basketball game

[slim elk]

Yep.
The Witness is quite literally an entire race combined into one gestalt entity

[wheat latch]

And capital T Traveller is our traveler

[ember storm]

it has no bearing before humanity's golden age

[smoky rose]

Yes

[wheat latch]

So the gardener is capital T Traveller to the witness' people

[slim elk]

Yep
By all appearances the Witness people were the first race the Traveler uplifted

[wheat latch]

Okay

[smoky rose]

Definitely were

[wheat latch]

We're getting somewhere

[smoky rose]

The traveler was embedded in the ground

[slim elk]

(And no we don't have a name for that race)

[versed orbit]

Why was the traveler just chilling inside the Witness' planet

[ember storm]

unless the traveler was having a beach day

[wheat latch]

Oh that's cool

What do they mean by " become the winnowers they longed for"

[smoky rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0CKckjryVI Here's the cutscene from this season that explains it

Might make more sense

[wheat latch]

My poor data plan won't let me watch that rn

[smoky rose]

Oh okay

So basically

The Witness' people, in the absence of purpose given by the traveler, desired a winnower to shape the garden

[tawdry mauve]

They were huge nihilists

[smoky rose]

Basically a garden is only a garden with someone to trim the hedges

That's the purpose of the winnower

[tawdry mauve]

Also the witness's race had the traveller for a really really long time

Like

[ember storm]

the witness' civilization had the traveler for ages but got bored of their infinite prosperity

[slim elk]

To cut the metaphor
Basically the Witness is trying to hijack the universe to reshape it in it's image

[tawdry mauve]

Really lonf

[ember storm]

they wanted a purpose

when they found the veil they decided upon one

it's a cringe one

[wheat latch]

See I'm just super confused cuz Google says this abt winnowing " Winnowing is a process by which chaff is separated from grain." Lmao

[tawdry mauve]

I think youre taking it too literally

[slim elk]

You ever pull weeds from a garden?

Thats also winnowing

[wheat latch]

I tend to do that a lot

[wheat latch]

O lol

[ember storm]

it'd be better for you to not just read the first result

[slim elk]

There's also the fact the story is still on-going

[ember storm]

"guidelines that would help winnow out those not fit to be soldiers"```

```find or identify (a valuable or useful part of something).
"amidst this welter of confusing signals, it's difficult to winnow out the truth"```

[slim elk]

We literally didn't know the Witness origin till 2 months ago

Still more to the story like all of Savathuns antics

[smoky rose]

The difference between this

And this

Is a winnower

[slim elk]

So a Gardener and Winnower can be the same entity in reality.
In Destiny.. The Traveler really doesn't like killing

Ergo the Witness issue...

[wheat latch]

So when the traveler saw the power the witness' people had with the veil and the traveller together it was afraid of what they would use it for?

[slim elk]

The implication is the Witness is fully capable of hijacking the Light itself

It wants to reshape the universe into its "Final Shape"

[wheat latch]

"it" being what, the witness or the traveler

[slim elk]

We'll probably have it spelled out in 5 days so...

(Witness)

[ember storm]

the witness is the only one who rants about the final shape

[slim elk]

For all the big deal about the portal... we haven't seen what the Witness is actually doing beyond it..
Besides bringing back Cayde apparently

[ember storm]

the point of the traveler is that no active move is taken

cultivates and then lets things develop on their own

the collapse, end of the red war, and the beginning of LF were the only times the traveler acted out against another party

everything else had just been very limited communication or literally nothing

[little gorge]

doubt the witness is bringing back cayde

[wheat latch]

Do we know what the final shape is? Ik the witness is a nihilist so does that mean they wanna just thanos snap everyone?

[waxen pulsar]

Are we going to team up with savathun in the final shape?

[slim elk]

There's an exception to that rule that's been pretty consistent
Every time something tries to hijack the light directly.. it reacts. But not before then... to the point the cage was slapped on it but it took months for it to break it

[little gorge]

more so cayde is on the other side

[analog torrent]

crab (real and canon) (Triton Vice lore)

[waxen pulsar]

The dialog makes it seem like it

[analog torrent]

"No, not squids. Crabs, obviously! The perfect organism! The form toward which all life inevitably converges! Even on Nessus—"

[wheat latch]

What.
Lol

[little gorge]

not completely, we're making a deal with her

[ember storm]

that was because we were able and capable of fighting back

it's only at the point where Ghaul in his entirety is comprised of stolen light that the traveler intervenes

ghaul just wearing a backpack that siphoned light didn't really count

[slim elk]

Yep
Also the incident of Traveler self destructing a ghost with Rhulk
It never did that to any ghost caught by the Hive (Ask Eris Fireteam)
So was reacting to something else other then as a "mercy kill"

[ember storm]

i've said it before

Rhulk being Rhulk while also proclaiming he's more than worthy of the light is a different situation than any random hive

[empty fern]

Ikora be dream walking then

[ember storm]

he literally outright says he was trying to claim the light for himself

[little gorge]

its not a dream it's the akashic records

[empty fern]

Ooo

@waxen pulsar where lore question bozo

Oh I’m late nvm

Ignore that ping

[slim elk]

We are probably getting more direct info on akashic records with the showcase and new season in 5 days

[deft flume]

Whats that again?
The united memory/conciousness of all beings?
That's all I remember

[little gorge]

record of everything from the past present and future

it's not a destiny concept

[little gorge]

the season yeah, i doubt we'll have big lore revelations in the showcase

anyways how does that guardian enter the portal

they seem to not be doing anything different from what joxer did

so we have to assume that whatever savathun tells us to do is doing something to the portal, and not a different way of entry

what is savathun gonna have us do

hive rituals?

[deft flume]

Oh. I knew it was not a destiny thing. But I thought it had to do with conciousness

[wheat latch]

I do those in my spare time

Has anyone other than hive used hive magic? Eris is the only person I can think of that may, idk for sure

[ember storm]

Mara technically when she created her throne world

but that was through shenanigans

also Toland

[wheat latch]

Hold up

Mara has a throne world?

[ember storm]

I’m assuming you don’t remember the time she got atomized during taken king along with her whole fleet

[wheat latch]

Get rekt

And no I dont

[empty fern]

A little poof magic

https://tenor.com/view/mara-sov-baru-shadeshadeshade-barubaru-destiny2-gif-19326972

[ember storm]

well basically she knew directly facing oryx would just be suicide but he would’ve just driven straight to earth otherwise

so she had him waste a bit of power and resources taking out her fleet

due to this and just general benefits Mara planned to make a throne world through shenanigans

though because she literally died she was out of the picture for a while

which led to riven getting (semi) taken and the dreaming city being infested

also uldren’s descent into madness and the subsequent deaths of thousands of awoken and Eliksni alike

[smoky rose]

And the death of funny robot man

[ember storm]

nobody cares about robot man

[wheat latch]

I didn't know Mara was the type of person to sacrifice so much for us

[ember storm]

she’s literally only a character in the story because she’s that type of person

in the distributary, the pocket dimension where the awoken originate from, they’re literally immortal and completely sealed off from the outside universe

Mara and her followers made the conscious decision to leave all of that behind to help humanity

[wheat latch]

Wow, I always thought Mara was more "I will put up with your presence to stop wrong doing"

Lol

[ember storm]

that’s just because she didn’t really respect the traveler

that and her first experience with a guardian was a recently dead awoken who she had to watch fail to recognize any of his loved ones while complaining about boring things

we’re basically the sole reason Mara is where she is now as a person

I mean there’s a whole history with the nine but nobody cares about them

they’re losers

[wheat latch]

That's cool, never knew that

[ember storm]

did you also know Mara practically founded a parasocial cult when she was human

[empty fern]

Is the exodus greens remnants in the distributary?

[ember storm]

I don’t even remember if that was the ship they came in on

[empty fern]

I think it was

[ember storm]

but I’m pretty sure Mara and all the other awoken had to reform their bodies after they were just completely destroyed

so I have no idea

[empty fern]

Ah

[smoky rose]

I don't believe we know

Yes it was the exodus green that the awoken were on

[empty fern]

Aha

[dim minnow]

1. I like how the file name for this image is literally "Immaru_back_baby.png"
2. I wonder where this cutscene occurs

looks a lot like Scarlet Keep

or maybe it is that one spot in the Throne World where we access the Altar of Reflection

[echo fjord]

bungie is known for funny codenames/filenames

halo ce codename was monkey balls☠️

[fiery copper]

Honestly it looks like the nightmare realm in Duality

[peak coral]

☠️

[fiery copper]

Nvm the floor is 100% hive

Got that spikey plaster and chicken wire look

[echo fjord]

jason jones had to change the name to blam because he didnt want to tell his mom that hes making a game called monkey balls

[peak coral]

☠️

[lost abyss]

I hope this season has a lot of sass between characters, Immaru is perfect for starting something with an offhanded comment, or maybe his VA won't be apart of the main cast.

[slim elk]

I think might be in one of the story areas in the throne world
Temple of Wrath maybe?

[real ingot]

Scarlet Keep, Throne World underground, perhaps an unknown hive structure

[smoky rose]

I concur with this

Throne world makes sense given the context

Temple of Wrath makes sense given Xivu's involvement

[real ingot]

I'd say the TW is more likely

Immaru being in hiding

[smoky rose]

Temple of Wrath is on the throne world

It's the one in the big tower

Where you parkour to the top and then fight through like 3 levels all the way down

[real ingot]

referring to between the Keep and the Underground

[smoky rose]

Lemme boot up the game and go do some detective work

Very similar but not quite the same

[dim minnow]

have you checked the area where we first access the Altar of Reflection?

I forgot what the area was called exactly

Witch's Echo right?

could be there

[smoky rose]

Good question I got dragged off by a friend to play SQUAD so Ill come back to that in maybe like 3-4 hours

[slim elk]

That probably is the area. Just bungie removing some geography-lighting changes for cutscene

[smoky rose]

Nah the wall lighting is too short and there isn't any lamps anywhere

Definitely on the right track though

[dim minnow]

you also need to look at the wall

[smoky rose]

Yeah this stuff is correct but it's all half-height and ground level

So it's not that specific room

[dim minnow]

if it is the Throne World, then it has to be either in the Witch's Echo area, Temple of Cunning area, or Temple of Wrath area

though I think we already ruled out Wrath

[smoky rose]

It isn't the lowest level

[dim minnow]

so Wrath is still a possibility, but more narrowed

[smoky rose]

I haven't looked at the 2nd or 3rd levels in detail, I was just gunning it all the way down

[dim minnow]

hmmm

currently in Witch's Echo rn

the area seems like a good candidate

the red glowing walls

also the red glowing tank

Ok, I think I found the spot

In Witch's Echo in the center of the last room to the right

Ignore the torches, they are meant for a chest puzzle

Lots of details line up, the two glowing tanks, the wall, the circular carving on the floor, and the diagonal pillar to the right

Lighting is different though

[empty fern]

Oh you right that is the same spot

[slim elk]

watch as Savathun is causally offscreen to the left

[dim minnow]

maybe her body is placed there, would be an ideal spot

since this shot is right beside the center of the room

[empty fern]

Dova over here predicting seasonal quests a little too well

[slim elk]

Just gotta see what the season will actually entail

Savathun revival can happen in less then 5 seconds with immaru there

[empty fern]

But then what

That’s the real suspense

[dim minnow]

I like how when I started thinking about where the screenshot was, this area in Witch's Echo was my first idea as to where it was

[empty fern]

(She kills ikora which leads to the heaven in the traveler thing with cayde, trust me )

[dim minnow]

upon revival, she sees us and just starts laughing since she knows we are desperate to come to her only for her to then realize what that means

[slim elk]

Vex antics maybe

[empty fern]

Ooo

Watch

[slim elk]

Need a method to actually utilize the portal after all

[empty fern]

Hive armor
Vex ornaments

[slim elk]

What I would guess
one season dedicated to stealing Vex resources to open the portal [tie into the Black Heart?]

second season dedicated to clearing up the homefront and loose ends.. .aka.

Killing Xivu

[dim minnow]

we already did that in Undying

we took Vex materials to make a device to hook onto a Vex gate in the BG where we were able to drag out the Undying Mind and kill it enough until all of its copies were destroyed

[slim elk]

Gonna be pretty fun hearing Savathun in our mission comms

[dim minnow]

can't wait to hear Immaru recite his list of slurs against Lightbearers

"Neon Nerd"
"Fluorescent Fleabag"

[slim elk]

Ghost:The Neon Nerds are over in Neomuna actually

[dim minnow]

the proceeding message from Immaru was deemed too offensive to keep in any city archive

Immaru was also banned from the CloudARK as a result

[slim elk]

But yeah.. thats the one thing I hope they dont do
Make up some bullshit so that Immaru cant revive Savathun right away

[broken zephyr]

Whats the lore behind the Iron Lords?

[dim minnow]

you know about the Dark Age right?

[broken zephyr]

all i know is the Drifter always talks about it

[dim minnow]

the Dark Age was the era right after the Collapse

and before the City Age which began when the Last City was established

the Dark Age was when Guardians (referred to as "Risen" back then) started to appear

at this point, they were largely disorganized with many becoming Warlords who ruled over territory often with an iron fist

essentially feudalism

then, a group of Risen decided to band together to put an end to the bloodshed caused by Warlords and to unite humanity

started by Lord Radeghast, these Risen would be known as the Iron Lords

eventually, the Warlords would either be killed off or would surrender for the sake of a better future and the encampment that would become the Last City would start to develop

the Iron Lords would soon meet their end however

one Iron Lord, Lord Felwinter, was secretly Rasputin's son who the Warmind wanted dead out of jealousy

so Rasputin used Felwinter's desire to help the early Last City against him and used SIVA as a lure

Felwinter sought it out since he knew it could be instrumental in building up the Last City

however, when him and the rest of the Iron Lords reached Site 6, where SIVA was kept, Rasputin unleashed it against them like a plague alongside his own defenses

only a handful of the Iron Lords would reach the replication chamber where they were able to seal it away. Lord Saladin was the only survivor and the last remaining Iron Lord (other than Lady Efrideet, but she left the lords prior for her pacifist group)

I think this sums it up pretty much @broken zephyr

[broken zephyr]

jesus

[empty fern]

Vanguard before vanguard and also warlords before (idk Dredgen or something?)

[dim minnow]

Shadows of Yor are an entirely different sort than Warlords

[empty fern]

Ah

Wait

Who’s yor again?

[dim minnow]

Dredgen Yor

[empty fern]

Oh

[dim minnow]

once legendary Titan Rezyl Azzir who grafted a Hive bone to his hand cannon

then got corrupted and went on a Guardian killing spree in the crucible

[empty fern]

Corrupted by what?

[dim minnow]

killing Crucible legend, Thalor, and eccentric Hunter, Pahanin

[dim minnow]

by the Hive bone he grafted onto his hand cannon are you even reading?

[real ingot]

the Hive bones of a witch that cursed him

[empty fern]

Hush hive bones are weird

[dim minnow]

the Hive knight he killed to get that bone was a wizard's fiance

that wizard also prophesized Azzir's downfall

anyways, after his carnage, Dredgen Yor would end up at Palamon, where he would burn the town down, and would kill the original owner of the Last Word, Jaren Ward

[empty fern]

Was it dark blade knight?

[dim minnow]

as a result, this would set a younger Shin Malphur down the path of vengeance

[dim minnow]

no, you are thinking of Alak-Hul and Verok

[empty fern]

Ah

[dim minnow]

the wizard that cursed him is Xyor

[dim minnow]

in the end, Shin Malphur would kill Dredgen Yor at Dwindler's Ridge

fun fact, this was originally painted as a climatic duel when in reality, Shin just blasted Yor with a Golden Gun while he was monologuing

[empty fern]

Think that’ll be a pvp spot one day? The ridge

[fast tapir]

this is probably my favorite fun fact tbh

[dim minnow]

not the rabbit embryo?

[fast tapir]

what the hell is even that

[empty fern]

Or the cow thing

[dim minnow]

a rabbit embryo

[fast tapir]

well

yeah

[empty fern]

That killed an astronaut

[fast tapir]

but where's the fun

and the fact

[dim minnow]

the existence of the Awoken was caused by a rabbit embryo

[fast tapir]

is this real

[dim minnow]

Mara, before becoming Awoken, saw a man die in the vacuum of space because a rabbit embryo flew right into his face

for reasons that aren't specified, this made her convince her Mom to bring her and the rest of the family onto the Exodus Green of Project: Amrita

the Exodus Green would then be caught in a singularity made from a paracausal calamity where the passenegrs and crew would be destroyed and reborn as the Awoken

[fast tapir]

lmao ain't no way

[dim minnow]

it's real

[fast tapir]

okay this is my 2nd favorite fun fact

[dim minnow]

here's another one, Oryx was canonically referred to as "The Nightmare Daddy"

[empty fern]

By drifter?

[real ingot]

The Witness's man himself

Oryx

[fast tapir]

ah yes

the nightmare daddy

[empty fern]

Damn

[fast tapir]

I like that one

[dim minnow]

I think by Marcus Ren's ghost, Didi

[empty fern]

Ah

[dim minnow]

yep

it was a play written by her

https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/ghost-community-theater-presents?highlight=daddy

[empty fern]

Hunter moment

[dim minnow]

just read this

one of the funniest lore entries in the game

Lord Shaxx calls it: "Undeniably enthusiastic, I'll grant you that. But is the dialogue meant to come across so… sexually charged?"

tells you all you need to know about it

[empty fern]

Oh Jesus

[slim elk]

And thats from the man Mara Sov used a wish dragon to summon.... for him to read Shakespeare

[empty fern]

Is this where the shaxx helmet thing came from?

[fast tapir]

yes

[dim minnow]

Shaxx was probably the only person to give that play any sort of praise

[empty fern]

lol

[slim elk]

Suggestion:We torment Immaru to working with us by making him watch the play... on repeat

[empty fern]

We make him read the chronicon

[dim minnow]

make him hold a conversation with the Titans from the Guardian Games lore

[empty fern]

Oh god

I don’t know the context rn but I’m too tired to care

[little gorge]

btw i think the most underrated "joke" in lore is "it will do all the pooping for you"

[dim minnow]

that one's just cringe

[grand jungle]

Ikroa va young wolf

[dim minnow]

Calus: "Wait, we figured this out once"

[little gorge]

i laughed because it's right at the end of the first entry in a pretty emotional lore book

[earnest needle]

next season spoiler: Savathun is hitting the griddy

[pearl basin]

can ghost ressurect any dead "living being"

?

[dim minnow]

well...

we see that they can rez Awoken, Human, and Exo

but as of Witch Queen, we can add Hive to the list

however, not just any human/awoken/exo/hive can be rezzed

in terms of who specifically can be rezzed, we aren't sure what determines it

could be completely random for all we know

or maybe the Traveler uses its precognitive abilities to decide based on potential

as for anyone else, no as far as we know

we have not seen any Eliksni, Cabal, and Vex as lightbearers thus far

and evidence to me points that the Traveler has simply not allowed them to be rezzed yet

Vex probably never will be rezzed

[hollow oar]

HUUUH

[pearl basin]

and yea i wanted to ask what website is best for reading destiny lore ?

[trim grotto]

Ishtar Collective, no contest.

I wonder...

;lore

[candid inlet]

D2 Lore Resources
• #📚lore-discussion
• PreviouslyOnDestiny - Catch up on the story of Destiny
• Ishtar Collective - Lore database
• Destinypedia - Lore database
• Destiny Lore Subreddit - Lore compendium
• MyNameIsByf - YouTube channel
• Infograph - Partial timeline at a glance
• Lore Book Guide - Spreadsheet of all lore books

[trim grotto]

There we go

[wind arch]

whats xur

[trim grotto]

Xur was, as far as we can tell, once a member of a Jovian colony who willingly presented himself to the Nine.
They reformed him into the Agent, but they do not well know how life works, and in his reformation they remade him poorly. He is dying. But nevertheless, he is their Agent, and he does the will of the Nine.

[wind arch]

what if

i am the nine

and bungie

huh???

new theory

[empty fern]

No

[deft flume]

What does this symbol mean? I've seen it on a lot of guns. Is that like the foundry that made em? o.o

[peak coral]

i think its like

city made

because all 3 playlist vendor weapons has some guns of this logo

and does look pretty generic

ex. crowdpleaser(gambit) autumnwind(cruci) namelessmid(vang)

[ember storm]

https://www.light.gg/db/items/403561732/defenseless-to-be-armed/

suggests so

[pearl basin]

previosly on destiny is outdated

lmao

[ember storm]

destinypedia has this to say

[velvet flax]

I always relate it to Titan

Idk why

[ember storm]

because something on the doors in the arcology is similar

i know what you're thinking of

[trim grotto]

Hold up
I'm the symbol guy for this

[velvet flax]

Oh yeah that's it

[trim grotto]

This symbol is found everywhere across human designed technology, everywhere from the Golden Age facilities of the Arcology to the City tech made nowadays. It is very vague on meaning, but can effectively be reduced to "human tech" as far as symbol definition goes.

[ember storm]

it's not the same symbol in the arcology doors

[trim grotto]

This symbol is still found in the Arcology

Elsewhere from the doors

[fiery copper]

It's the new amazon logo

They are the true masterminds of everything

[trim grotto]

For anyone ever curious about my title, it actually does have meaning
The Deatiny Symbol Archive is one of my projects

[ember storm]

can i see it

[trim grotto]

No, since I'm at work and busy, and the references were from the old Arcology
But I'll look around the new ones and see if I can find a modern example

[empty fern]

[jagged badge]

“can i see it”

“No”

[ember storm]

aurora borealis

[empty fern]

But as a trace

[trim grotto]

Gold star if you recognise what this is from

[velvet flax]

actually no the bag from the Beyond Light collectors edition

[trim grotto]

Correct
The Golden Age bag

Also gold star for you

[velvet flax]

⭐ yayy

[trim grotto]

🌟

[velvet flax]

i win all lore

[trim grotto]

Have an Exotic

[velvet flax]

[empty fern]

The exotic was an aeons

[trim grotto]

Pre buff aeons

[fiery copper]

Trickster be like

[empty fern]

Tricksters engrams were real, but they were all either
Eternal warrior
Apothese veil
And a hunter cloak

[fiery copper]

You died from emotional anguish

They were d1 engrams

And decrypted into a blue

(Yes that could happen incredibly rarely, engrams could decrypt up to 2 rarities higher or lower at ASTRONOMICALLY LOW chances)

[empty fern]

It’s happened to me

I was very dad

[peak coral]

the deatiny

deatiny symbol archive

DEATINY 2 LE GAME!

[trim grotto]

Mobile is hard and I am bad

[fiery copper]

Deetiny the game

[green cobalt]

deetoo

[fiery copper]

thats so much better, theres even two of them god

[little gorge]

i had no idea where it was from but those dots gave me beyond light vibes idk why

[jagged badge]

I picked up it might be Beyond Light related from the “Galileo” thing

[empty fern]

All the greatest researchers come to Europa,

But they never leave

[wind belfry]

hotel california if it was awesome

[fast tapir]

[fading kiln]

does anyone know whats going on in the lore anymore

[smoky rose]

What part of the lore